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I'm not so sure it's that simple.

Tintallė
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Apr 17 2007, 6:26pm


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I'm not so sure it's that simple. [In reply to] Can't Post

I am absolutely sure that no amount of stress could induce me to go on a killing spree and use a gun on innocent people. That's because of my personal values and ethics, which are as inescapably a part of me as my brown eyes and size 6 feet.

My son owns firearms. He enjoys target shooting. He also has a concealed carry permit. He is alive and well today because he was carrying a weapon when two men attacked him with knives - BIG knives - in a store parking lot. (He was on his way home from checking out a security alarm at his workplace.) He was suddenly struck with fear for his life. His training kicked in and he pullled out his gun. He aimed - he did not shoot - and they ran. He collapsed in a miserable shaking heap afterward and suffered from insomnia and nightmares for weeks, but the experience reinforced his belief that gun ownership is not the evil I had always told him it was.

A gun ban would not prevent a knife attack. Quite possibly my son would have been left bleeding and dying in the parking lot so two thugs could steal about $80 in cash and a couple of sacks of groceries from Wal-Mart. I found myself feeling profoundly thankful that he had been carrying a gun. You would have to know me to know how unbelievable that statement is. Was.

I was once an advocate of banning guns, but now I am not so sure. I doubt whether banning guns is the answer. I do not think it will address the sick, sick American culture that places such a low value on life. Americans are bombarded with violent images all day every day - the newspaper focuses on sensational stories of murder and violence, television dramas and movies are rife with slayings and gunplay, many of the most popular video games are non-stop violence and glorify or at least downplay criminal activity, and a lot of rap and hip hop lyrics describe violent acts. Americans are desensitized to violence. Oh, when someone goes on a killing spree there are lots of pictures of grieving people and newscasters talk in sympathetic, heartfelt tones for a week or two but no one really addresses the cultural/sociological etiology, the root cause of the behavior. I'm sure the students at Virginia Tech will be offered post-traumatic counseling and support in the weeks to come, but where are the efforts at prevention? How do we identify and support individuals before they reach the breaking point?

I will be interested to learn if Cho Seung-hui's friends had any inkling that he was unhappy or stressed and, if so, what they did about it. How is it that a senior English major became a mass murderer? Surely that did not happen overnight.

I would say that the basic problem in America is not the availability of guns but rather the lack of any sense of community and responsibility for others that pervades American society these days. I live in southern California. Gang violence is a big problem. Racism is alive and well - can you imagine your teenager going out with a bunch of his friends to beat a migrant worker to death? It happened here. I live in a "me, me, me" society. Plastic surgery is a big business here because people are so self-obsessed and so preoccupied with outward appearances. We have housing tracts, not communities. I've moved 16 times in my life; when I moved here it was the first time no one - NO ONE - greeted me or showed the slightest interest in a new individual living nearby. People avert their eyes when passing each other on the street; most are startled or uncomfortable when I look them in the eye and say "Good morning!"

My daughter spent an undergraduate year in Adelaide, Australia. She was upset and crying one day on a city street one day and people - total strangers! - attempted to help her - offered to sit with her, talk, buy her a cup of coffee, hold her hand. When I learned about the free hugs campaign I was not surprised that it was started by an Australian. My daughter is back in Adelaide now and will probably stay there because the culture is healthier and more supportive than she has experienced in America.

So, gun control? Maybe. The more I think about it, though, the more I think it is not the answer.

That said, it still made my skin crawl to see my son cleaning his gun the other night. I came very close to throwing up.

Please remember that this is my opinon only. I would hope for it to spark thoughtful debate rather than angry dissent. Thanks.

Subject User Time
Prayers and heart-felt sympathy to Virginia Tech Students, Families, and Staff. grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Apr 17 2007, 9:21am
    What leads a person to commit such an act? Noneoftheabove Send a private message to Noneoftheabove Apr 17 2007, 10:25am
        Humanity's still OK; just a few individuals are depraved. L. Ron Halfelven Send a private message to L. Ron Halfelven Apr 17 2007, 11:46am
            Thanks for that insight. Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Apr 17 2007, 2:26pm
                And you're absolutely right, it is easy to focus on the horrible. Noneoftheabove Send a private message to Noneoftheabove Apr 17 2007, 2:47pm
            The tragedy isn't that one individual was depraved FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 17 2007, 4:11pm
                The root of the problem is simple... Aragorn'sSexyScar Send a private message to Aragorn'sSexyScar Apr 17 2007, 4:45pm
                    Coincidentally, I'm 42. GaladrielTX Send a private message to GaladrielTX Apr 17 2007, 6:19pm
                    I'm not so sure it's that simple. Tintallė Send a private message to Tintallė Apr 17 2007, 6:26pm
                        and that.... Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Apr 17 2007, 6:35pm
                        This is the first time Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Apr 17 2007, 7:39pm
                        Very well said, Tintalle Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Apr 18 2007, 12:52pm
                    Well.. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 17 2007, 6:33pm
                        Yet, you wouldn't use a semi-automatic weapon Rivendweller Send a private message to Rivendweller Apr 17 2007, 8:01pm
                            Nope Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 17 2007, 8:06pm
                                Plus... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 17 2007, 8:18pm
                                    I understand Rivendweller Send a private message to Rivendweller Apr 17 2007, 8:29pm
                                        Well.... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 17 2007, 8:54pm
                                            Agree about the mental health system Morwen Send a private message to Morwen Apr 17 2007, 9:06pm
                                            sorry... just can't buy this: Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Apr 17 2007, 9:15pm
                                                Like I said... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 17 2007, 9:27pm
                                                    okay... suffiently calmed Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Apr 17 2007, 10:21pm
                                                        Well Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 17 2007, 11:08pm
                                                            I worked with K-2 Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Apr 18 2007, 1:02am
                    One of the unwritten laws of American politics . . . Pukel-man Send a private message to Pukel-man Apr 17 2007, 9:38pm
                    That's Aerlinn Send a private message to Aerlinn Apr 18 2007, 3:00pm
                        Yes, but the threat is there! Aragorn'sSexyScar Send a private message to Aragorn'sSexyScar Apr 18 2007, 3:31pm
                I'm staying resolutely away from the public-policy debate... L. Ron Halfelven Send a private message to L. Ron Halfelven Apr 17 2007, 6:21pm
            Thanks for putting this in perspective, L. Ron, Patty Send a private message to Patty Apr 17 2007, 4:38pm
        There is some good in this world... and it's worth fighting for grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Apr 17 2007, 2:38pm
    Horrible news Owlyross Send a private message to Owlyross Apr 17 2007, 10:34am
        Actually, tighter controls are part of the reason this tragedy is so bad. Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 17 2007, 1:31pm
            It's a complex problem, for sure FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 17 2007, 2:42pm
                I don't see it as so complex at all linkin-artelf Send a private message to linkin-artelf Apr 17 2007, 3:07pm
                    The media and gun control advocates got the jump "pushing their agenda" first. Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 17 2007, 4:40pm
                        Well, I certainly hope for America's sake FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 17 2007, 5:01pm
                            I appreciate your understanding. Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 17 2007, 5:07pm
                                Not really. Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Apr 17 2007, 11:28pm
                            Well... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 17 2007, 5:43pm
                                I sometimes forget FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 17 2007, 6:08pm
                                    That's funny. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 17 2007, 6:20pm
                                        Good point! FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 17 2007, 9:07pm
                                    Sometimes I watch those movies about the wild west... Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Apr 17 2007, 6:26pm
                                        Wow! Owlyross Send a private message to Owlyross Apr 18 2007, 7:47am
                                            It's a subject of which I know Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Apr 18 2007, 12:47pm
                                                Thanks for the story Owlyross Send a private message to Owlyross Apr 18 2007, 1:01pm
                            You have only to look at Washington, D.C., GaladrielTX Send a private message to GaladrielTX Apr 17 2007, 6:14pm
                I must say Donry Send a private message to Donry Apr 17 2007, 3:33pm
                    Well... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 17 2007, 3:55pm
                        Wholeheartedly agree with that. // Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 17 2007, 5:08pm
                            And that demonstrates two things linkin-artelf Send a private message to linkin-artelf Apr 17 2007, 5:18pm
                                It was the police that didn't stop the killing... Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 17 2007, 5:31pm
                                    Right linkin-artelf Send a private message to linkin-artelf Apr 17 2007, 5:44pm
                                    In response to your comment about the killer rampaging without a gun 'esquey Send a private message to 'esquey Apr 17 2007, 10:21pm
                                    Guns make it easier to kill people. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Apr 17 2007, 11:20pm
                                        Depends Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 17 2007, 11:51pm
                Link inside. Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 17 2007, 4:27pm
                    That wording in article is so biased linkin-artelf Send a private message to linkin-artelf Apr 17 2007, 5:09pm
                    The Fraser Institute FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 17 2007, 5:21pm
                        Not to drag this off on a tangent RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Apr 17 2007, 5:25pm
                            Well, alcohol and cars are banned FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 17 2007, 5:32pm
                                In fact RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Apr 17 2007, 5:36pm
                                    Why don't we ban crime instead of guns? // Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 17 2007, 5:39pm
                                        I don't know if you're joking, AE... RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Apr 17 2007, 5:44pm
                                            It's a joke that isn't a joke. Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 17 2007, 6:16pm
                            That's no tangent. MADD reports Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 17 2007, 5:34pm
                            The difference lies in the intended use linkin-artelf Send a private message to linkin-artelf Apr 17 2007, 5:37pm
                                Maybe the U.N. should start a donkey safety course. // Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 17 2007, 5:41pm
                                Just for general edification, Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Apr 17 2007, 7:37pm
                            Agreed. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 17 2007, 7:16pm
                                But alcohol has been a staple of human existence FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 17 2007, 9:17pm
                                    Well... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 17 2007, 9:32pm
                        I did rush in my choice of references. Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 17 2007, 5:38pm
            I don't want to start a gun control debate Owlyross Send a private message to Owlyross Apr 17 2007, 5:11pm
                That's a decidedly peculiar way of not starting a debate./ L. Ron Halfelven Send a private message to L. Ron Halfelven Apr 17 2007, 5:58pm
                    You're right Owlyross Send a private message to Owlyross Apr 18 2007, 8:32am
                As I stand with one foot firmly planted on each side of the debate, Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Apr 17 2007, 7:06pm
                    Well said, Aunt Dora Morwen Send a private message to Morwen Apr 17 2007, 7:53pm
                    Hear, hear! Lossefalme Send a private message to Lossefalme Apr 18 2007, 3:34pm
                        The sad thing about this situation linkin-artelf Send a private message to linkin-artelf Apr 18 2007, 6:49pm
                            In response... Lossefalme Send a private message to Lossefalme Apr 18 2007, 7:53pm
                                Applause! Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Apr 18 2007, 8:07pm
                                    That's where I'm coming from. Lossefalme Send a private message to Lossefalme Apr 18 2007, 8:32pm
                                        The Prince of Pompadoodle Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Apr 18 2007, 8:52pm
                                            Perfect! Lossefalme Send a private message to Lossefalme Apr 18 2007, 9:18pm
                                        I like that expression - roots and wings linkin-artelf Send a private message to linkin-artelf Apr 18 2007, 8:59pm
                                            Totally OT, Lossefalme Send a private message to Lossefalme Apr 18 2007, 9:20pm
                                                No, can't claim it as mine linkin-artelf Send a private message to linkin-artelf Apr 18 2007, 9:57pm
                                I am like you, on the outside looking in linkin-artelf Send a private message to linkin-artelf Apr 18 2007, 8:32pm
                                    That's part of the reason I qualified my response. Lossefalme Send a private message to Lossefalme Apr 18 2007, 8:47pm
            Wow. So arming the public with even more guns will prevent gun deaths? 'esquey Send a private message to 'esquey Apr 17 2007, 8:43pm
                No one is suggesting that everyone should run out a buy a gun. RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Apr 17 2007, 8:48pm
                    It may not make the world safer 'esquey Send a private message to 'esquey Apr 17 2007, 8:50pm
                        The number of deaths is irrelevant. RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Apr 17 2007, 9:07pm
                            I do hope FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 17 2007, 9:43pm
                                Well.. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 17 2007, 10:01pm
                                    Well, well. . . Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 18 2007, 1:38pm
                                    Orr.. 'esquey Send a private message to 'esquey Apr 18 2007, 2:05pm
                                        Well Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 18 2007, 3:45pm
                                It is a moral issue in the sense that... RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Apr 17 2007, 10:05pm
                            Weapons of mass destruction? N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Apr 17 2007, 9:59pm
                                Of course. RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Apr 17 2007, 10:08pm
                            The number of deaths is irrelevant?!?! 'esquey Send a private message to 'esquey Apr 17 2007, 10:10pm
                            For one thing houndrock Send a private message to houndrock Apr 17 2007, 10:12pm
                                I apologize to 'esquey. RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Apr 17 2007, 10:29pm
                        And regarding my country... 'esquey Send a private message to 'esquey Apr 17 2007, 10:30pm
                            psst, 'esquey linkin-artelf Send a private message to linkin-artelf Apr 18 2007, 6:24am
                                Thanks so much! 'esquey Send a private message to 'esquey Apr 18 2007, 2:06pm
            I don't understand Owlyross Send a private message to Owlyross Apr 18 2007, 7:56am
        A comment about rights in general. . . Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 18 2007, 2:56pm
            I totally agree with you /nt Owlyross Send a private message to Owlyross Apr 18 2007, 3:24pm
            Not so sure. DownfallenWest Send a private message to DownfallenWest Apr 19 2007, 3:44pm
    sad day for VA (and the world) a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Apr 17 2007, 10:51am
        Very sad KmK Send a private message to KmK Apr 17 2007, 12:01pm
    It is so hard to understand Rivendweller Send a private message to Rivendweller Apr 17 2007, 12:01pm
    So very sad. White Gull Send a private message to White Gull Apr 17 2007, 2:59pm
        oh.... lovely grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Apr 19 2007, 4:16pm
    Shocking and horrifying Ciars Send a private message to Ciars Apr 17 2007, 4:17pm
    A native Montrealer is among the dead... diedye Send a private message to diedye Apr 17 2007, 4:47pm
    A horrible situation. RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Apr 17 2007, 5:23pm
    BTW, in this thread, GaladrielTX Send a private message to GaladrielTX Apr 17 2007, 6:15pm
        Out of ignorance. Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 17 2007, 6:23pm
        Nope Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 17 2007, 6:27pm
        but... Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Apr 17 2007, 6:30pm
        *cough*nitpick*cough*... diedye Send a private message to diedye Apr 17 2007, 6:37pm
        "VT" is correct. Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Apr 17 2007, 11:06pm
        I had a friend who attended years ago Lossefalme Send a private message to Lossefalme Apr 18 2007, 3:39pm
    A friendly reminder Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Apr 17 2007, 6:54pm
        Blanket comment: editing of comments about the value of others' comments is imminent {nt} Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Apr 17 2007, 9:26pm
        Such as, perhaps Aerlinn Send a private message to Aerlinn Apr 18 2007, 3:12pm
            It missed you even if you didn't miss it! L. Ron Halfelven Send a private message to L. Ron Halfelven Apr 18 2007, 3:18pm
                I agree with you on both points, L. Ron. // Lossefalme Send a private message to Lossefalme Apr 18 2007, 3:41pm
    I'm still waiting to hear Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Apr 17 2007, 11:37pm
        Well Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 17 2007, 11:57pm
        Whew! Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Apr 18 2007, 4:36am
            Thanks for the update. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Apr 18 2007, 6:24am
            It's nice to hear some good news. Lossefalme Send a private message to Lossefalme Apr 18 2007, 3:43pm
            I am glad the people you Shadowfaxfan Send a private message to Shadowfaxfan Apr 19 2007, 5:15am
    157 people died in bomb blasts in Iraq today Owlyross Send a private message to Owlyross Apr 18 2007, 3:45pm
        I was thinking about that as I watched the news today and Lossefalme Send a private message to Lossefalme Apr 18 2007, 8:23pm
        Yes and no linkin-artelf Send a private message to linkin-artelf Apr 18 2007, 8:54pm
        One way to get guns out of the hands of teenagers.... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 18 2007, 9:05pm
    I've seen the news and... elvenhobbit Send a private message to elvenhobbit Apr 19 2007, 8:09pm
    My only response: Prayers and heart-felt sympathy to Virginia Tech Students, Families, and Staff and grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Apr 20 2007, 10:52am
        Hear, hear, gramma Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Apr 20 2007, 3:23pm
        The film " Bobby" captures so much of todays grief, then and now... Rivendweller Send a private message to Rivendweller Apr 20 2007, 3:51pm
            Mods way up. linkin-artelf Send a private message to linkin-artelf Apr 20 2007, 9:47pm
            This, this is what is needed mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 21 2007, 11:34am
            *tearing* This is wonderful... thank you // grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Apr 21 2007, 11:45am
            Wow. Thank you so much. His words are as true today as they were then. // Lossefalme Send a private message to Lossefalme Apr 21 2007, 1:25pm
            Thank you, Rivendweller. Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Apr 21 2007, 6:35pm
        Thanks, Gramma. Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Apr 21 2007, 6:31pm

 
 
 

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