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Blushing in the metaphorical dark, I'll give a lame answer (or two)

squire
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Apr 20 2009, 11:08pm


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Excellent report and fine questions. I’m seeing some very fine answers here as well, most of which I can’t improve on, so I’ll just tackle a few:

If you had to choose one passge to read aloud from the LOTR chapters listed above, what would it be? If you had to choose one Tolkien passage not from LOTR to read aloud, what would it be?
I don’t think I can do Tolkien’s LotR prose justice by reading it aloud, if memories of reading it to my kids is any indication. It’s really hard to do well. I’ve always been partial to this one:

The theoretic freedom of application had in the Third Age been modified by custom to this extent that Series I was generally applied to the dental or t-series (tincotéma), and II to the labials or p-series (parmatéma). The application of Series III and IV varied according to the requirements of different languages.


In languages like the Westron, which made much use of consonants such as our ch, j, sh. Series III was usually applied to these; in which case Series IV was applied to the normal k-series (calmatéma). In Quenya, which possessed besides the calmatéma both a palatal series (tyelpetéma) and labialized series (quessetéma), the palatals were represented by a Fëanorian diacritic denoting 'following y' (usually two underposed dots), while Series IV was a kw-series.


Within these general applications the following relations were also commonly observed. The normal letters, Grade 1, were applied to the 'voiceless stops': t, p, k, etc. The doubling of the bow indicated the addition of 'voice': thus if 1, 2, 3, 4 = t, p, ch, k (or t, p, k, kw), then 5, 6, 7, 8 = d, b, j, g (or d, b, g, gw). The raising of the stem indicated the opening of the consonants to a 'spirant': thus assuming the above values for Grade 1, Grade 3 (9-12) = th, f, sh, ch (or th, f, kh, khw/hw), and Grade 4 (13-16) = dh, v, zh, gh (or dh, v, gh, ghw/w).


[Corey Olsen’s] paper considered alternatives to the usual gender roles in The Silmarillion. Can you think of some examples?
Brandir, in the Tale of Turin Turambar, comes across as a man of peace in time of war, who is both lame and prone to cowardice and self-pity. It’s a complex portrait, and contrasts strongly with Tolkien’s multitude of manly heroes.

Brandir son of Handir who ruled them was a man of gentle mood, and lame also from childhood, and he trusted rather in secrecy than in deeds of war to save them from the power of the North. …being moved by [Turin’s] woe [Brandir] took him into his own house and tended him, for he had skill in healing….



Then Turambar sent out scouts far afield, for now he ordered things as he would, and few gave heed to Brandir…. Therefore Dorlas upbraided the people, and spoke scorn of Brandir, who could not play the part of the heir of the house of Haleth; and Brandir was shamed before his people, and was bitter at heart….



Even so Brandir found her, for he came to Nen Girith at last, limping wearily; and when he heard that the dragon had crossed the river and had beaten down his foes, his heart yearned towards Níniel in pity. Yet he thought also: “Turambar is dead, but Níniel lives. Now it may be that she will come with me, and I will lead her away, and so we shall escape from the dragon together.”… Níniel said: “Is this the way?” And Brandir answered that he knew no way, save to flee as they might from Glaurung, and escape into the wild. But Níniel said: “The Black Sword was my beloved and my husband. To seek him only do I go. What else could you think?”


But Brandir made his way back to Nen Girith, to bring tidings to the people; and he met Dorlas in the woods, and slew him: the first blood that ever he had spilled, and the last.


What is the relationship between Arwen and the banner?
As we are told, Arwen Undomiel (“Evenstar”) represents the coming of night to the time of the Elves in Middle-earth, a time that implies a night for the Numenorean race as well (“Nay my lady, I am the last of the Numenoreans” – Aragorn on his deathbed). Her banner recreates the stars-in-the-night heraldry of the House of Elendil – which both stands for the Elvish connection of the Edain to the dawn of time, before the first sunrise; and for this new and hopefully slightly more metaphorical nightfall.

Is anyone turned on in The Lord of the Rings? When does Sam blush in the story, and why?
I disagree that Sam is blushing because of his longing for Rosie during Galadriel’s mental interrogation. I think Sam has got it on for the Elvish Lady, quite against his will. This is reflected in his reckless word-poem to Galadriel, delivered to Faramir later in the story; his regret at not returning to Lothlorien during the journey back to the Shire; and is echoed at the end with a second blush when she reappears in his life one last time. That’s another aspect, I think, of his relief at returning to Rosie after the Grey Havens: “Well, I’m back, (and both Frodo and the Lady are gone forever).”



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Tolkien 2009 in Vermont – a report N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Apr 19 2009, 5:58am
    Thoughts. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 19 2009, 10:51pm
    Just a few thoughts. Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Apr 20 2009, 1:02am
    A few answers, some to the point sador Send a private message to sador Apr 20 2009, 10:14am
        FFH it was! N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Apr 20 2009, 10:31pm
            Woah! FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 21 2009, 8:57am
    A few answers (second installment) sador Send a private message to sador Apr 20 2009, 1:32pm
    Quack, quack ... visualweasel Send a private message to visualweasel Apr 20 2009, 5:45pm
        Yes, Gríma too, good catch. And how about lust for the Ring? Or other lusts? Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 20 2009, 5:56pm
            Onward turning... Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Apr 20 2009, 9:46pm
                Tolkien had a higher regard for Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 20 2009, 10:58pm
                    True, but ... visualweasel Send a private message to visualweasel Apr 21 2009, 1:56pm
                        We don't get to know Arwen. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 21 2009, 2:45pm
            Ring Writhes Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Apr 20 2009, 9:49pm
        Those who argue that are, of course, wrong Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Apr 20 2009, 10:54pm
    Blushing in the metaphorical dark, I'll give a lame answer (or two) squire Send a private message to squire Apr 20 2009, 11:08pm
        I would love to hear Ian McKellen read that passage! It reminds me Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 21 2009, 5:43am
            What a great clip! visualweasel Send a private message to visualweasel Apr 21 2009, 1:52pm
    **stands up straight, salutes NEB..**. weaver Send a private message to weaver Apr 21 2009, 6:06am
    Ah, Springtime in Vermont dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Apr 22 2009, 12:42am
        Duck lollipop Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 22 2009, 1:46am
            Quack! dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Apr 22 2009, 2:11am
        More than UUT Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Apr 22 2009, 3:44am
            Yes, we did. Eowyn of Penns Woods Send a private message to Eowyn of Penns Woods Apr 22 2009, 4:18am
            You did already sador Send a private message to sador Apr 22 2009, 6:38am
            When exactly did the wind change? Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 22 2009, 3:25pm
                Thank you for the generous summary! // Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Apr 23 2009, 7:17pm
            I think there may be some magic FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 22 2009, 4:23pm
    Almost OT Luthien Rising Send a private message to Luthien Rising Apr 22 2009, 9:24pm
    I feel like I had been there myself! Modtheow Send a private message to Modtheow May 7 2009, 12:10am
        Nice to see you around the place! squire Send a private message to squire May 7 2009, 1:07am
            feels like home Modtheow Send a private message to Modtheow May 7 2009, 1:30am
                Guten Tag! Sally, baby, here she comes! squire Send a private message to squire May 7 2009, 5:43am
                    It's all true! // Modtheow Send a private message to Modtheow May 10 2009, 12:56am
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