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Curious
Half-elven
Mar 30 2009, 2:50pm
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Very interesting. Obviously I didn't read your post
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before I gave my answers. Adda sounds a little like a long-term au pair, not considered part of the same class as the cleaning lady. But no days off! That does sound like a servant, even if the Tolkiens wanted to pretend otherwise. I also see now how Tolkien had time for all his writing; no social life! Also no movies, and of course no TV, let alone internet. He did write lots of letters, but many of them related to his writing. And he did nip down to the pub with the boys from time to time, or meet with the Inkings, but again much of that related to his writing. Also very interesting to see her impression of Oxford as class-ridden. The Oxford dons are a strange class, because they got to their positions at least in part through personal achievement. Of course many of them came from aristocratic backgrounds or they wouldn't have gone to such fine schools, but not Tolkien, and I trust he was not the only exception. Yet they were tutoring the sons and sometimes daughters of aristocrats, and socializing with aristocrats (when there was a "to do"). So they had a good deal invested in the class system, although they themselves were not a part of the uppermost class, and may even have looked down upon some of the aristocratic dullards they tutored. The idea that Tolkien sometimes had to sleep in the guest room because he had been drinking lends support to my new theory (which Dreamdeer has encouraged and nicely supported) that Bilbo was at least a little drunk in Chapter One of The Hobbit -- not falling down drunk, perhaps, but enough that if he had had a wife he would have slept in the guest room, and enough that he made a rash decision he regretted the next day. That also reminds me of Baldor, who at a celebration celebrating the completion of Meduseld (where there was undoubtedly much drinking) boasted that he would enter the Paths of the Dead. That in turn reminds me of such boasts in Beowulf, again often accompanied by drinking -- although Beowulf backed up his boasts. Let's just say that bold/rash decisions and drinking seem to go hand in hand in some instances. Sometimes they work out, and sometimes they don't.
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**An Unexpected Party** - 10. A few thematic questions…simple stuff... the Narrator, Social Class, Anachronism, Fairy Tales...
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squire
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Mar 29 2009, 3:19pm
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Long story made longer...
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Morthoron
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Mar 29 2009, 5:21pm
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Whoa! Thank you very much!!
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squire
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Mar 29 2009, 5:48pm
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Yes, thanks indeed!
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N.E. Brigand
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Mar 29 2009, 7:10pm
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And another thank-you!
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dernwyn
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Mar 30 2009, 2:06am
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Fascinating story! Thank you! //
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sador
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Mar 30 2009, 6:19am
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Very interesting. Obviously I didn't read your post
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Curious
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Mar 30 2009, 2:50pm
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Thanks, squire! Enjoyed the week!
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batik
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Mar 29 2009, 5:35pm
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tales out of school
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Luthien Rising
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Mar 29 2009, 9:44pm
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Thoughts.
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Curious
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Mar 29 2009, 10:20pm
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This has been fun!
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dernwyn
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Mar 30 2009, 2:28am
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A few answers, some to the point
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sador
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Mar 30 2009, 6:17am
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You remember correctly.
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Curious
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Mar 30 2009, 3:04pm
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Thank you!
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sador
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Mar 31 2009, 6:47am
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Thankyou for a wonderful week and a great beginning ...
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Elven
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Mar 30 2009, 10:27am
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Thank you, squire, for an interesting discussion.
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Curious
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Mar 30 2009, 3:10pm
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The servant question
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Dreamdeer
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Mar 30 2009, 7:55pm
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He reminds me of some bachelors I know
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Curious
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Mar 30 2009, 8:02pm
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Thank you
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Dreamdeer
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Mar 30 2009, 8:44pm
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Well
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Darkstone
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Mar 30 2009, 8:48pm
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Thorin reminds me of some scam artists of the time.
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Curious
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Mar 30 2009, 9:06pm
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*faint voice from the back of the room* That was me!
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GaladrielTX
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Mar 31 2009, 12:14am
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Yes! Sorry indeed!
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squire
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Mar 31 2009, 12:26am
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Some comments and some wondering
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simplyaven
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Mar 31 2009, 3:49am
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Where and when does "The Hobbit" take place?
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N.E. Brigand
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Mar 31 2009, 4:40pm
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Sam starting a new business?
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simplyaven
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Mar 31 2009, 7:43pm
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It's in the Prologue to LotR.
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Curious
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Mar 31 2009, 8:35pm
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I answered to NEB below but
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simplyaven
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Mar 31 2009, 11:19pm
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"On Fairy Stories"
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simplyaven
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Apr 1 2009, 3:20am
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I'm sorry, I can't help but chuckle.
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Curious
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Apr 1 2009, 6:42am
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Is "Farmer Giles of Ham" a Fairy-tale?
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sador
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Apr 1 2009, 7:09am
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I suppose so, although
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Curious
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Apr 1 2009, 7:27am
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Eucatastrophes
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Dreamdeer
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Apr 1 2009, 4:45pm
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I don't find Farmer Giles'
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Curious
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Apr 1 2009, 9:53pm
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I find the choice of child very unexpected indeed...
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Dreamdeer
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Apr 2 2009, 4:19am
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Yes, but
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Curious
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Apr 2 2009, 4:58pm
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Noakes is the tragedy
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Dreamdeer
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Apr 2 2009, 5:12pm
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Okay.
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Curious
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Apr 2 2009, 5:18pm
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Maybe different experiences have something to do with it.
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Dreamdeer
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Apr 2 2009, 5:29pm
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Fair enough, although
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Curious
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Apr 2 2009, 5:35pm
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Not a very good job
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simplyaven
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Apr 1 2009, 1:58pm
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In his defense, Tolkien had a different purpose.
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Curious
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Apr 1 2009, 2:25pm
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I have the “Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics”
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simplyaven
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Apr 1 2009, 2:53pm
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In addition to what Curious notes
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N.E. Brigand
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Mar 31 2009, 8:52pm
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A few names and quick thoughts
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simplyaven
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Mar 31 2009, 10:44pm
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Tolkien actually mentions de Saussure.
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N.E. Brigand
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Mar 31 2009, 11:18pm
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Yes, there are references but I don't recall "On Fairy Stories" among them
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simplyaven
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Apr 1 2009, 2:41am
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How would you define Faerie?
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Curious
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Apr 1 2009, 6:58am
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Few quick words on "Faerie" and "fairy" terms
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simplyaven
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Apr 1 2009, 2:22pm
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Very interesting stuff.
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Curious
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Apr 1 2009, 2:41pm
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I'm not questioning the quality of his work!
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simplyaven
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Apr 1 2009, 2:51pm
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Yes, and that makes sense.
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Curious
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Apr 1 2009, 3:19pm
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Sea Ania?
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Dreamdeer
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Apr 1 2009, 4:39pm
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Defining Faerie has nothing to do with origins
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simplyaven
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Apr 1 2009, 7:12pm
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I miscommunicated.
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Dreamdeer
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Apr 1 2009, 7:19pm
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Europe.
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Darkstone
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Mar 31 2009, 8:55pm
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Earning
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Dreamdeer
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Mar 31 2009, 10:17pm
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On spec
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Dreamdeer
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Mar 31 2009, 10:31pm
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"...a Warwickshire village of about the period of the Diamond Jubilee..."
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Darkstone
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Mar 31 2009, 8:52pm
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What is this "Shire" you mention?
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N.E. Brigand
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Mar 31 2009, 9:05pm
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Where is Byzantium?
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Darkstone
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Mar 31 2009, 9:15pm
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Past, or passing, or to come. //
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N.E. Brigand
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Mar 31 2009, 10:28pm
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A few explanations.
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Dreamdeer
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Mar 31 2009, 9:42pm
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The Gaffer may have been an enabler,
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Curious
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Mar 31 2009, 10:13pm
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Thank you for all these!
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simplyaven
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Mar 31 2009, 11:22pm
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Egalitarianism
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sador
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Apr 1 2009, 6:03am
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Luck and opportunity
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Dreamdeer
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Apr 1 2009, 4:05pm
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Beautifully said
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Apr 1 2009, 4:19pm
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The story of Evariste Galois
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Curious
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Apr 1 2009, 4:52pm
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Every now and than
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Apr 1 2009, 5:22pm
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Is it?
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sador
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Apr 2 2009, 6:29am
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I could be wrong.
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Apr 2 2009, 4:44pm
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Those graduate-level mathematicians are such cut-ups.//
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Curious
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Apr 2 2009, 4:50pm
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I was raised with jokes like that.
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Apr 2 2009, 5:41pm
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So you're not such a radical after all!
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sador
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Apr 2 2009, 7:08am
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Quite radical in the USA
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Dreamdeer
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Apr 2 2009, 5:02pm
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Man! I never realized this had started...
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Compa_Mighty
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Mar 31 2009, 3:23pm
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Is there really "nothing happy" about LOTR? //
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N.E. Brigand
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Mar 31 2009, 3:37pm
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Welcome to the discussion!
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Curious
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Mar 31 2009, 4:36pm
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The "1960 Hobbit" was published in "The History of 'The Hobbit'".
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N.E. Brigand
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Mar 31 2009, 4:50pm
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I suspected as much. Thanks.//
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Curious
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Mar 31 2009, 5:00pm
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Thank you!
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Compa_Mighty
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Mar 31 2009, 5:33pm
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What about 'The Field of Cormallen' and 'The Steward and the King'?
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sador
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Mar 31 2009, 6:43pm
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Thanks, sador!
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Compa_Mighty
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Mar 31 2009, 10:57pm
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Confirming - and not confirming
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dernwyn
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Apr 1 2009, 4:01am
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So I didn't make it up, but perhaps Carpenter did? Interesting. //
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Curious
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Apr 1 2009, 6:45am
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And we all believed it
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dernwyn
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Apr 1 2009, 10:30am
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I should be grading algebra papers
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Mar 31 2009, 4:59pm
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Class, it's time to turn in your papers.
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Mmatmuor
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Apr 3 2009, 3:11am
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They never eat supper!
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N.E. Brigand
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Aug 10 2009, 4:03am
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Supper is like "tea" in 'A journey to the Cross-roads'
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sador
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Aug 10 2009, 5:39am
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