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squire
Half-elven
Mar 29 2009, 5:48pm
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I had never seen this. I knew the Tolkiens had servants, of course, but I had no idea they had been interviewed for biographical info on the Tolkiens. The idea that Adda never got a holiday sounds very familiar. Even now one can read of nannies and au-pairs and housekeepers from foreign countries, working in the U.S., who are kept virtually as house-prisoners by their employers. It is notable that Adda was only there to help with the child care. There was also a charwoman - whether full time or not is unclear. The portrait of Edith is not very flattering; I guess we should remember this is a portrait of Edith-as-boss, never the best way to be remembered. For an alternate, and more sympathetic, view, we have Carpenter's biography where for instance Edith is said to have played piano all of her life. Miss Gro, Edith's "lovely old nanny" is certainly Jennie Grove, an older cousin of Edith's who cared for her when young, and accompanied her during her peripatetic early life with Tolkien, helping with the children and keeping her company while her husband was away for the war and for work. She and Edith lived in 22 different places between 1916 and 1918! She is described by John Garth as the children's surrogate grandmother. (source: JRR Tolkien Encyclopedia) By 1930 she was seventy years old, and the hiring of Adda may have been due to Miss Gro's aging; she died in 1938.
squire online: RR Discussions: The Valaquenta, A Shortcut to Mushrooms, and Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit Lights! Action! Discuss on the Movie board!: 'A Journey in the Dark'. and 'Designing The Two Towers'. Footeramas: The 3rd TORn Reading Room LotR Discussion; and "Tolkien would have LOVED it!" squiretalk introduces the J.R.R. Tolkien Encyclopedia: A Reader's Diary
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**An Unexpected Party** - 10. A few thematic questions…simple stuff... the Narrator, Social Class, Anachronism, Fairy Tales...
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squire
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Mar 29 2009, 3:19pm
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Long story made longer...
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Morthoron
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Mar 29 2009, 5:21pm
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Whoa! Thank you very much!!
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squire
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Mar 29 2009, 5:48pm
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Yes, thanks indeed!
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N.E. Brigand
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Mar 29 2009, 7:10pm
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And another thank-you!
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dernwyn
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Mar 30 2009, 2:06am
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Fascinating story! Thank you! //
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sador
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Mar 30 2009, 6:19am
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Very interesting. Obviously I didn't read your post
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Curious
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Mar 30 2009, 2:50pm
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Thanks, squire! Enjoyed the week!
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batik
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Mar 29 2009, 5:35pm
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tales out of school
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Luthien Rising
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Mar 29 2009, 9:44pm
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Thoughts.
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Curious
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Mar 29 2009, 10:20pm
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This has been fun!
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dernwyn
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Mar 30 2009, 2:28am
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A few answers, some to the point
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sador
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Mar 30 2009, 6:17am
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You remember correctly.
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Curious
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Mar 30 2009, 3:04pm
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Thank you!
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sador
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Mar 31 2009, 6:47am
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Thankyou for a wonderful week and a great beginning ...
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Elven
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Mar 30 2009, 10:27am
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Thank you, squire, for an interesting discussion.
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Curious
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Mar 30 2009, 3:10pm
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The servant question
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Dreamdeer
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Mar 30 2009, 7:55pm
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He reminds me of some bachelors I know
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Curious
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Mar 30 2009, 8:02pm
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Thank you
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Dreamdeer
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Mar 30 2009, 8:44pm
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Well
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Darkstone
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Mar 30 2009, 8:48pm
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Thorin reminds me of some scam artists of the time.
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Curious
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Mar 30 2009, 9:06pm
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*faint voice from the back of the room* That was me!
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GaladrielTX
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Mar 31 2009, 12:14am
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Yes! Sorry indeed!
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squire
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Mar 31 2009, 12:26am
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Some comments and some wondering
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simplyaven
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Mar 31 2009, 3:49am
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Where and when does "The Hobbit" take place?
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N.E. Brigand
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Mar 31 2009, 4:40pm
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Sam starting a new business?
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simplyaven
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Mar 31 2009, 7:43pm
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It's in the Prologue to LotR.
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Curious
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Mar 31 2009, 8:35pm
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I answered to NEB below but
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simplyaven
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Mar 31 2009, 11:19pm
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"On Fairy Stories"
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simplyaven
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Apr 1 2009, 3:20am
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I'm sorry, I can't help but chuckle.
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Curious
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Apr 1 2009, 6:42am
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Is "Farmer Giles of Ham" a Fairy-tale?
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sador
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Apr 1 2009, 7:09am
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I suppose so, although
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Curious
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Apr 1 2009, 7:27am
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Eucatastrophes
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Dreamdeer
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Apr 1 2009, 4:45pm
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I don't find Farmer Giles'
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Curious
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Apr 1 2009, 9:53pm
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I find the choice of child very unexpected indeed...
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Dreamdeer
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Apr 2 2009, 4:19am
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Yes, but
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Curious
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Apr 2 2009, 4:58pm
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Noakes is the tragedy
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Dreamdeer
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Apr 2 2009, 5:12pm
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Okay.
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Curious
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Apr 2 2009, 5:18pm
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Maybe different experiences have something to do with it.
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Dreamdeer
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Apr 2 2009, 5:29pm
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Fair enough, although
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Curious
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Apr 2 2009, 5:35pm
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Not a very good job
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simplyaven
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Apr 1 2009, 1:58pm
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In his defense, Tolkien had a different purpose.
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Curious
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Apr 1 2009, 2:25pm
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I have the “Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics”
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simplyaven
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Apr 1 2009, 2:53pm
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In addition to what Curious notes
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N.E. Brigand
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Mar 31 2009, 8:52pm
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A few names and quick thoughts
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simplyaven
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Mar 31 2009, 10:44pm
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Tolkien actually mentions de Saussure.
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N.E. Brigand
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Mar 31 2009, 11:18pm
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Yes, there are references but I don't recall "On Fairy Stories" among them
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simplyaven
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Apr 1 2009, 2:41am
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How would you define Faerie?
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Curious
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Apr 1 2009, 6:58am
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Few quick words on "Faerie" and "fairy" terms
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simplyaven
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Apr 1 2009, 2:22pm
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Very interesting stuff.
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Curious
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Apr 1 2009, 2:41pm
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I'm not questioning the quality of his work!
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simplyaven
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Apr 1 2009, 2:51pm
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Yes, and that makes sense.
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Curious
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Apr 1 2009, 3:19pm
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Sea Ania?
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Dreamdeer
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Apr 1 2009, 4:39pm
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Defining Faerie has nothing to do with origins
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simplyaven
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Apr 1 2009, 7:12pm
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I miscommunicated.
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Dreamdeer
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Apr 1 2009, 7:19pm
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Europe.
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Darkstone
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Mar 31 2009, 8:55pm
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Earning
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Dreamdeer
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Mar 31 2009, 10:17pm
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On spec
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Dreamdeer
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Mar 31 2009, 10:31pm
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"...a Warwickshire village of about the period of the Diamond Jubilee..."
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Darkstone
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Mar 31 2009, 8:52pm
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What is this "Shire" you mention?
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N.E. Brigand
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Mar 31 2009, 9:05pm
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Where is Byzantium?
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Darkstone
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Mar 31 2009, 9:15pm
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Past, or passing, or to come. //
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N.E. Brigand
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Mar 31 2009, 10:28pm
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A few explanations.
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Dreamdeer
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Mar 31 2009, 9:42pm
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The Gaffer may have been an enabler,
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Curious
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Mar 31 2009, 10:13pm
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Thank you for all these!
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simplyaven
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Mar 31 2009, 11:22pm
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Egalitarianism
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sador
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Apr 1 2009, 6:03am
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Luck and opportunity
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Dreamdeer
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Apr 1 2009, 4:05pm
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Beautifully said
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Apr 1 2009, 4:19pm
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The story of Evariste Galois
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Curious
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Apr 1 2009, 4:52pm
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Every now and than
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Apr 1 2009, 5:22pm
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Is it?
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sador
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Apr 2 2009, 6:29am
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I could be wrong.
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Apr 2 2009, 4:44pm
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Those graduate-level mathematicians are such cut-ups.//
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Curious
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Apr 2 2009, 4:50pm
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I was raised with jokes like that.
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Apr 2 2009, 5:41pm
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So you're not such a radical after all!
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sador
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Apr 2 2009, 7:08am
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Quite radical in the USA
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Dreamdeer
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Apr 2 2009, 5:02pm
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Man! I never realized this had started...
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Compa_Mighty
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Mar 31 2009, 3:23pm
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Is there really "nothing happy" about LOTR? //
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N.E. Brigand
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Mar 31 2009, 3:37pm
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Welcome to the discussion!
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Curious
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Mar 31 2009, 4:36pm
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The "1960 Hobbit" was published in "The History of 'The Hobbit'".
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N.E. Brigand
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Mar 31 2009, 4:50pm
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I suspected as much. Thanks.//
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Curious
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Mar 31 2009, 5:00pm
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Thank you!
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Compa_Mighty
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Mar 31 2009, 5:33pm
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What about 'The Field of Cormallen' and 'The Steward and the King'?
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sador
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Mar 31 2009, 6:43pm
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Thanks, sador!
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Compa_Mighty
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Mar 31 2009, 10:57pm
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Confirming - and not confirming
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dernwyn
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Apr 1 2009, 4:01am
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So I didn't make it up, but perhaps Carpenter did? Interesting. //
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Curious
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Apr 1 2009, 6:45am
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And we all believed it
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dernwyn
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Apr 1 2009, 10:30am
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I should be grading algebra papers
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Mar 31 2009, 4:59pm
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Class, it's time to turn in your papers.
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Mmatmuor
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Apr 3 2009, 3:11am
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They never eat supper!
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N.E. Brigand
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Aug 10 2009, 4:03am
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Supper is like "tea" in 'A journey to the Cross-roads'
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sador
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Aug 10 2009, 5:39am
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