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You're getting way of ahead of me! // ;o)

Advising Elf
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Apr 13 2007, 8:20pm


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*WISE Passage of the Day* No. 3 - The Pity of Bilbo Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 10 2007, 5:12pm
    Pity can be seen as condescending, however. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 10 2007, 6:41pm
        Well... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 10 2007, 7:01pm
            Responsibility and redemption. Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 10 2007, 8:59pm
                I have to disagree FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 10 2007, 9:13pm
                    Wow! A bit harsh on Gandalf, no? Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 10 2007, 9:33pm
                        Well, yes FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 10 2007, 10:18pm
                            How about humble himself? Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 10 2007, 11:08pm
                                I quite agree with you here... mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 13 2007, 8:56am
                            I don't think that it is huiliation Daughter of Nienna Send a private message to Daughter of Nienna Apr 11 2007, 6:38am
                                Your point is excellent Ugly Troll Send a private message to Ugly Troll Apr 12 2007, 1:17am
                                    There is no such thing as instant quick fixes Daughter of Nienna Send a private message to Daughter of Nienna Apr 12 2007, 3:44am
                        But didn't Gandalf take the others grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Apr 12 2007, 4:51pm
                            Exactly. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 12 2007, 5:26pm
                                And Beregond. grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Apr 12 2007, 6:44pm
                    When the person's problem is primarily pride, mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 13 2007, 11:12am
                True Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 10 2007, 9:22pm
                    And sometimes it is beyond any earthly power / Daughter of Nienna Send a private message to Daughter of Nienna Apr 11 2007, 6:40am
                Quite right; said something similar just now myself, mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 13 2007, 11:33am
            There is some redemption in Tolkien's world. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 10 2007, 9:20pm
                But... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 10 2007, 9:26pm
                    Not every redemption Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 10 2007, 9:43pm
                        But... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 10 2007, 9:48pm
                            As I said above, Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 10 2007, 10:11pm
                            What about Gollum?! ? mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 11 2007, 7:49am
                                Gollum was never redeemed. Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 11 2007, 1:14pm
                                    Well, it would seem Tolkien had a more nuanced opinion; mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 11 2007, 2:18pm
                                Well.... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 11 2007, 2:26pm
            The pity or mercy that's given grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Apr 12 2007, 4:40pm
                Well... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 13 2007, 5:58pm
                    How is that?... Please elaborate, mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 14 2007, 7:26am
                        Clarification? Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 16 2007, 1:35pm
                            Please re-read carefully what I said mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 17 2007, 11:31am
                    "... willing to offer... " grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Apr 14 2007, 8:58am
        A brief reply Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 10 2007, 8:53pm
            The Professor knew his words. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 10 2007, 10:42pm
            You should get some perspective before you dismiss this concept a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Apr 11 2007, 12:26am
                See, that's the problem with the Primary World. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 11 2007, 12:50am
                    C'me on, in M-e too, 'not all kings and counsellors are wise father figures'!... And even nowadays, mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 11 2007, 10:20am
                        I'm afraid Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 11 2007, 11:43am
                            In your quotes, Tolkien speaks of the Hobbits as a species with visible physical differences: mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 11 2007, 1:21pm
                            Tolkien's characters FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 11 2007, 4:07pm
                                I'll agree with "idealized." Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 11 2007, 5:26pm
                    "aroused by the misfortune of another" a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Apr 11 2007, 11:18am
                Ithink we're havaing a semantics issue here. Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 11 2007, 1:31pm
                    no it's not a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Apr 11 2007, 3:29pm
                        I take it then, . . . Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 11 2007, 3:50pm
                            I have already indicated a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Apr 11 2007, 4:18pm
                                I never implied that . . . Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 11 2007, 4:38pm
                                    *readies bucket of water* Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Apr 11 2007, 8:50pm
                Interesting post, a.s. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Apr 11 2007, 7:53pm
        Perhaps that's why movie-Frodo's pity FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 10 2007, 8:55pm
            And it is a significant departure from the book. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 10 2007, 10:06pm
                That's true FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 10 2007, 10:30pm
                    Are heroes unreal? Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 10 2007, 11:38pm
                        That's an interesting question! FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 11 2007, 6:41am
                            Tolkien 'telling only one part of the story of the "real world"'?!? mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 12 2007, 9:15am
                                You're misunderstanding my point, I think FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 12 2007, 9:38am
                                    Sorry if I did, and thank you for the clarification! :-) / mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 13 2007, 11:45am
                                I think Darkstone is on your side. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 12 2007, 3:12pm
                    'Mythic heroes'??? ''Tolkien edited out...'??? What are we talking about?!? mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 11 2007, 8:40am
                        where is Aragorn "flawed to start with"? a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Apr 11 2007, 11:36am
                            I agree with mae govannen Ainu Laire Send a private message to Ainu Laire Apr 11 2007, 11:16pm
                                Wonderful: you have written for me the post I needed to write !!! :-) mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 12 2007, 7:28am
                                But needing and accepting help isn't a flaw FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 12 2007, 8:58am
            Where does book-Frodo show 'cool, condescending pity'? mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 11 2007, 10:35am
            The film shows the transition so well grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Apr 13 2007, 8:51am
                Movie-Frodo's attitude to Gollum is quite different from the book, I think. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 13 2007, 4:19pm
                    Perfect! grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Apr 14 2007, 9:03am
        Middle-earth is as complicated as the Primary World, mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 12 2007, 12:43pm
            Its not just suffering that makes you great but being forced to Adanedhel Send a private message to Adanedhel Apr 12 2007, 1:58pm
                That's exactly it, I would say!... mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 13 2007, 8:47am
            I think the inner and outer greatness, Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 12 2007, 3:01pm
                But WHY do they govern the Shire in the end?... Not just because mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 13 2007, 4:32am
                    Well, my other post about WWII & LOTR was actually mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 13 2007, 5:41am
    Moral relativism. Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 10 2007, 9:23pm
        Exactly my problem. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 10 2007, 9:29pm
            Hmm... Morwen Send a private message to Morwen Apr 10 2007, 10:03pm
            We don't know if those stories are true. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 10 2007, 11:33pm
                But... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 11 2007, 12:33am
                    If Saruman had not gone to the Shire Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 11 2007, 12:54am
                        You think? Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 11 2007, 1:44am
                            Is Saruman right? N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Apr 11 2007, 3:07am
                                Depends on who he's talking about. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 11 2007, 1:55pm
                                    Gandalf as Machiavelli? Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 11 2007, 2:26pm
                                        Gandalf as Sisyphus? Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 11 2007, 2:55pm
                                            I've enjoyed reading your debate FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 11 2007, 3:50pm
                                                It makes more sense in the real world Adanedhel Send a private message to Adanedhel Apr 11 2007, 4:23pm
                                                    That is true FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 11 2007, 4:42pm
                                                        It didn't happen in Middle earth either. Adanedhel Send a private message to Adanedhel Apr 11 2007, 4:52pm
                                                            I'm only talking about LotR FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 11 2007, 5:42pm
                                                        Perhaps great spiritual persons you don't know yet of mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 15 2007, 7:53am
                                                    Wonderfully correct... and after all, mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 15 2007, 6:47am
                                                Thanks! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 11 2007, 4:46pm
                                                    How about "idealized"? Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 11 2007, 5:40pm
                                                        But... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 11 2007, 6:02pm
                                                            Please introduce me Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 11 2007, 7:09pm
                                                                Sure thing! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 11 2007, 7:22pm
                                            The 'decline of the world' is only mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 14 2007, 10:04am
                                                Well!! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 16 2007, 1:28pm
                                                    It's not an attack at all, mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 17 2007, 8:48am
                                        Speaking of Machiavelli... N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Apr 11 2007, 7:00pm
                                            To answer your question, no. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 11 2007, 8:28pm
                                    So, it seems to all boil down to this: mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 12 2007, 3:50pm
                                        Nope. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 12 2007, 7:25pm
                                            Sorry, I do apologise for getting all worked up...! mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 13 2007, 8:24am
                                                No problemio Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 13 2007, 2:58pm
                                                    Thanks for this; but, re. your last question... what say YOU? / mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 13 2007, 3:17pm
                                                        Well... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 13 2007, 4:06pm
                                                            True enough Adanedhel Send a private message to Adanedhel Apr 13 2007, 7:24pm
                                                                Freedom of will FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 13 2007, 8:12pm
                                                                    "Lack of alternatives clears the mind." Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 13 2007, 8:40pm
                                                                        That's exactly my point FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 13 2007, 8:50pm
                                                                You're getting way of ahead of me! // ;o) Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 13 2007, 8:20pm
                                                                Perfect reply... I would only add that mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 14 2007, 10:54am
                                                    To be wise is not to be cruel. Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 13 2007, 8:09pm
                                                        Dunno. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 13 2007, 9:17pm
                                                            Oh my! Saruman relented?! mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 14 2007, 6:51am
                                                            He is deepely affected, but his pride still rears up. Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 16 2007, 12:47pm
                                                                Well, we're saying two interesting variations of the same thing, mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 17 2007, 12:04pm
                                                        Hear, hear! I agree fully. mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 14 2007, 7:50am
                                            {{hugs Darkstone}} Proof! LotR is great literature!!! dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Apr 13 2007, 10:54am
                                                Ooops! Forgot to do and say that to Darkstone myself!... mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 13 2007, 11:24am
                                            Yep. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 13 2007, 10:07pm
                            It sounds like you're a fan of Bored of the Rings. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 11 2007, 11:17am
                                Gandalf as a theodicean? Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 11 2007, 1:37pm
                                    Yes, they are human Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 11 2007, 2:17pm
                                        Well.... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 11 2007, 3:08pm
                                    Frodo as a Candide figure FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 12 2007, 8:20pm
                                That's OK so long as you've got Gandalf's intuition handy. L. Ron Halfelven Send a private message to L. Ron Halfelven Apr 11 2007, 2:50pm
                                    Intuition is not only for the Gandalfs... mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 15 2007, 5:17am
                                    I forgot to add that mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 15 2007, 5:31am
                    The apparent result is not the only one... mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 14 2007, 8:07am
            That's the exact thing I was avoiding until the next post.// Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 11 2007, 1:37pm
        I'm glad someone is at last saying this... And the kind of hierarchy mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 11 2007, 12:08pm
        Or to quote Robert Heinlein, Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 11 2007, 1:17pm
    ownership Ciars Apr 11 2007, 5:56pm
        Very interesting! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 11 2007, 6:10pm
        I just mean that if I can Adanedhel Send a private message to Adanedhel Apr 11 2007, 6:10pm
            Definitely so, IMO. mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 12 2007, 12:54pm
        Bilbo wasn't redeemed by his Pity. . . Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 11 2007, 6:26pm
            Maybe Ciars Apr 11 2007, 6:33pm
    Bilbo had the same reaction as Frodo grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Apr 12 2007, 4:29pm
    Thank you for this continuing series, by the way. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 13 2007, 11:58am
        You're welcome. Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Apr 16 2007, 2:06pm
    "Not to strike without need" linkin-artelf Send a private message to linkin-artelf Apr 14 2007, 10:18pm
        'You have not seen him.' mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen Apr 15 2007, 7:13am

 
 
 

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