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Feb 2 2009, 8:56pm

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Baggins was considered a more respectable family than the Tooks, which Tolkien directly and repeatedly addressed in "The Hobbit". Bilbo later alludes to Frodo being a superior heir to Lotho, saying, "He's no Bracegirdle from Hardbottle!" implying that the former Lobelia Bracegirdle married above herself in becoming a Sackville-Baggins. Lobelia in turn tries to insult Frodo by shouting, "You're no Baggins--you're more than half a Brandybuck!" Merry and Pippin both repeatedly call Frodo "Cousin". So it's all there, and rather blatant if you ask me. You don't need to dig around in the appendices to find it.

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Subject	User	Time
The Numenorean Kingdoms, part XI - bridge-film material?	sador	Feb 1 2009, 8:25am
Would LotR be better without the appendices?	Curious	Feb 1 2009, 12:15pm
A good argument	squire	Feb 1 2009, 2:59pm
I agree	Voronw�_the_Faithful	Feb 1 2009, 3:49pm
Sinister Nazi Tosh. Well two out of three ain't bad!	Pryderi	Feb 1 2009, 9:52pm
I wouldn't call	Ataahua	Feb 1 2009, 11:35pm
I wouldn't go so far	Curious	Feb 2 2009, 2:00pm
Agreement and Clarification	Dreamdeer	Feb 2 2009, 8:45pm
The Breelanders are related	Curious	Feb 2 2009, 9:12pm
And yet, I don't read the appendices	a.s.	Feb 2 2009, 11:59am
Isn't that a backhanded compliment?	Curious	Feb 2 2009, 1:45pm
Aragorn is not a pure-blooded N�men�rean.	N.E. Brigand	Feb 1 2009, 3:41pm
Isn't it bizarre that Aragorn's mixed blood	Curious	Feb 2 2009, 5:20pm
Do we know that Aragorn's northern ancestors didn't marry outside the tribe?	N.E. Brigand	Feb 2 2009, 5:41pm
Since it's halftime	Elros	Feb 2 2009, 2:05am
Would it irk you	N.E. Brigand	Feb 2 2009, 4:20am
I guess it depends where...	sador	Feb 2 2009, 7:57am
Sorry for jumping the gun. Your	Curious	Feb 2 2009, 2:28pm
That's ok, of course	sador	Feb 2 2009, 2:40pm
Which is another reason	Curious	Feb 2 2009, 3:00pm
Agreement!	Dreamdeer	Feb 2 2009, 8:36pm
I will concede	Elros	Feb 2 2009, 6:34pm
Racism requires progeny.	Curious	Feb 2 2009, 6:53pm
Tolkien would be appalled	FarFromHome	Feb 3 2009, 2:28pm
But Tolkien also called LotR	Curious	Feb 3 2009, 7:09pm
No offense taken. Except that you apparently don't like	Curious	Feb 2 2009, 2:12pm
The E Street Band	Elros	Feb 2 2009, 6:44pm
The only relevance...	Dreamdeer	Feb 2 2009, 9:06pm
The Noldor	Dreamdeer	Feb 2 2009, 8:32pm
Sam is still a brown-skinned hero.	Beren IV	Feb 3 2009, 12:13am
That's an interesting perspective! //	Dreamdeer	Feb 3 2009, 2:01am
All men are brothers.	Darkstone	Feb 3 2009, 6:23pm
Elros the racist	Elros	Feb 3 2009, 1:57am
The phrase "Drunk as a lord" comes to mind...	Dreamdeer	Feb 3 2009, 2:09am
Not for me.	White Gull	Feb 2 2009, 5:32pm
Now there's an argument I can get behind.	Curious	Feb 2 2009, 5:41pm
I'll second that!	simplyaven	Feb 3 2009, 4:33am
Classism is more	Curious	Feb 3 2009, 1:08pm
Classism is a hot button in countries with minorities too :)	simplyaven	Feb 4 2009, 3:08am
If I had that attitude...	Dreamdeer	Feb 3 2009, 5:16pm
Cooling down somewhat...	Dreamdeer	Feb 3 2009, 5:28pm
Actually I've seen it the other way around so we are not that far	simplyaven	Feb 4 2009, 3:34am
The things I read affected me.	Dreamdeer	Feb 4 2009, 5:04am
This is a whole different story and very sad	simplyaven	Feb 4 2009, 3:19pm
You've never been exposed to Westerns?	Curious	Feb 4 2009, 3:55pm
I was talking about literature	simplyaven	Feb 4 2009, 4:15pm
I love Grimm's Fairy Tales, just as	Curious	Feb 4 2009, 4:46pm
Justified mentioning of evil things	simplyaven	Feb 4 2009, 4:55pm
I judge	Curious	Feb 4 2009, 5:15pm
Ah hm	simplyaven	Feb 4 2009, 5:37pm
Regarding children,	Curious	Feb 5 2009, 10:09pm
Exactly...	simplyaven	Feb 5 2009, 11:31pm
Wicked stepmothers	Dreamdeer	Feb 4 2009, 6:08pm
Interesting!	Curious	Feb 5 2009, 10:03pm
"Grimm's Grimmest"...	Dreamdeer	Feb 6 2009, 12:20am
Thanks for this! I'll buy this book. //	simplyaven	Feb 6 2009, 2:16am
Coincidentally	FarFromHome	Feb 6 2009, 7:08pm
Everyone has a choice...	simplyaven	Feb 6 2009, 7:37pm
I agree	FarFromHome	Feb 6 2009, 9:56pm
Exactly!	simplyaven	Feb 7 2009, 1:03am
Scary	Dreamdeer	Feb 7 2009, 2:21am
Alexander the Great	Dreamdeer	Feb 6 2009, 8:39pm
Alexander	Jettorex	Feb 6 2009, 9:28pm
Ah, that's "my" guy ;)	simplyaven	Feb 7 2009, 1:07am
Ah, so you are Macedonian? or Bulgarian?	Dreamdeer	Feb 7 2009, 3:00am
Both plus some more	simplyaven	Feb 7 2009, 4:11am
your Macedonian?	Jettorex	Feb 7 2009, 3:37am
See my post to Dreamdeer :) //	simplyaven	Feb 7 2009, 4:19am
Alexander had two.	Dreamdeer	Feb 7 2009, 2:11am
Wander please	Jettorex	Feb 7 2009, 4:24am
Who really killed Phillip?	Dreamdeer	Feb 7 2009, 7:30am
the story i heard...	Jettorex	Feb 7 2009, 2:05pm
Yes, that did happen...	Dreamdeer	Feb 7 2009, 5:59pm
We're talking about Aragorn, right?	Curious	Feb 7 2009, 7:08pm
Significant indeed!	Dreamdeer	Feb 7 2009, 7:30pm
Alexander the Northern Star? How does it work?	simplyaven	Feb 7 2009, 8:31pm
Just trying to	Curious	Feb 8 2009, 12:10pm
We study Alexander, not Cyrus, because	squire	Feb 8 2009, 1:19pm
Is adding to that mythology	Curious	Feb 8 2009, 2:25pm
I don't know about the education you describe but...	simplyaven	Feb 8 2009, 4:15pm
In regards to Tolkien and Greece...	Morthoron	Feb 8 2009, 5:09pm
Most probably	simplyaven	Feb 8 2009, 9:47pm
Bucephalos could have been a big one + some legends	simplyaven	Feb 7 2009, 8:23pm
"The poison was water"	Dreamdeer	Feb 8 2009, 4:13am
I can't think of such connection	simplyaven	Feb 8 2009, 5:01am
I second Dreamdeer on this	simplyaven	Feb 8 2009, 12:45am
People are condemning Alexander? For being a ruthless conqueror?	squire	Feb 6 2009, 10:41pm
Alexander first or...?	Dreamdeer	Feb 7 2009, 2:44am
Gondor! Gondor! (You crossed the border.) //	N.E. Brigand	Feb 7 2009, 4:46am
Huh? oh...	squire	Feb 7 2009, 5:32am
applause Nicely done! /	Ataahua	Feb 7 2009, 8:19pm
I'm opting for the Annotated Grimm's	Curious	Feb 6 2009, 7:37pm
"All my father's writings have appendices."	Darkstone	Feb 2 2009, 11:00pm
Thank you!	Dreamdeer	Feb 3 2009, 1:59am
Kissin' cousins	squire	Feb 3 2009, 2:44am
a question for those discussing race/ism...	batik	Feb 3 2009, 3:02am
It depends on what you want	Dreamdeer	Feb 3 2009, 4:48pm
thanks for the input---	batik	Feb 4 2009, 2:41am
Personally I check multiple boxes.	Darkstone	Feb 3 2009, 5:59pm
My grand-daughter writes in "human"	sevilodorf	Feb 4 2009, 4:29am
Dunno if I could get away with that.	Darkstone	Feb 4 2009, 4:13pm
I don't read the Appendices, and yet	FarFromHome	Feb 3 2009, 9:33am
Excellent post//	Elros	Feb 3 2009, 12:29pm
"Well-intentioned racialism survives."	N.E. Brigand	Feb 5 2009, 6:38pm
I am a troublemaker, it seems.	Curious	Feb 5 2009, 7:38pm
Disturbing the comfortable?	N.E. Brigand	Feb 5 2009, 7:52pm
Racist, not Radical	Ghills	Feb 2 2009, 7:44am
But race and lineage were less important	Curious	Feb 2 2009, 2:05pm
Not necesarily. Hobbit culture = quiet context culture, which is unique in LOTR	Ghills	Feb 2 2009, 3:02pm
I did say	Curious	Feb 2 2009, 3:48pm
Hobbit Bloodlines	Dreamdeer	Feb 2 2009, 8:56pm
It's certainly important to the hobbits -- ridiculously so	Curious	Feb 2 2009, 9:24pm
Did he?	sador	Feb 2 2009, 10:07pm
Oh dear me!	Dreamdeer	Feb 2 2009, 10:27pm
Well, you had me going.	Curious	Feb 2 2009, 11:30pm
Let's just say...	FarFromHome	Feb 3 2009, 1:47pm
This is fantasy, folks.	Beren IV	Feb 2 2009, 4:23pm
Why not?	Curious	Feb 2 2009, 4:48pm
Racism	Beren IV	Feb 2 2009, 7:20pm
Race is a hot-button issue today.	Curious	Feb 2 2009, 8:56pm
Another thing we can agree on Curious	Elros	Feb 3 2009, 2:18am
We need to understand where Tolkien fits today	Ghills	Feb 3 2009, 3:14pm
I guess I better edit my biography	Elros	Feb 4 2009, 12:52pm
This is a whole different conversation, but	Curious	Feb 4 2009, 1:59pm
Ramping down the words	Dreamdeer	Feb 4 2009, 6:02pm
Environmental depredations	Beren IV	Feb 4 2009, 6:32pm
We're in good company	Dreamdeer	Feb 4 2009, 7:23pm
Tolkien wrote a poem about drugged elephants.	N.E. Brigand	Feb 4 2009, 8:11pm
But do they cause extinctions?	Beren IV	Feb 4 2009, 8:18pm
I guess I will just never understand	Elros	Feb 4 2009, 7:29pm
Distinctions	Dreamdeer	Feb 4 2009, 8:14pm
Tell me something i don't know	Elros	Feb 4 2009, 10:01pm
Is Aragorn better than everyone else because he's N�men�rean?	N.E. Brigand	Feb 4 2009, 10:57pm
They do indeed!	Elros	Feb 5 2009, 1:31am
MOS is N�men�rean.	Darkstone	Feb 5 2009, 2:34pm
Better does not	Curious	Feb 5 2009, 3:54pm
Tortoise versus hare.	Darkstone	Feb 5 2009, 5:38pm
But the tortoise is secretly a hare.	N.E. Brigand	Feb 5 2009, 5:55pm
Exactly!	Darkstone	Feb 5 2009, 6:15pm
Great post!	simplyaven	Feb 5 2009, 6:44pm
Beowulf's an interesting comparison.	Curious	Feb 5 2009, 6:45pm
Well	Darkstone	Feb 5 2009, 7:45pm
How so?	Curious	Feb 5 2009, 8:19pm
Well!!	Darkstone	Feb 5 2009, 8:42pm
Wonderfully subversive, I meant.	Curious	Feb 5 2009, 10:00pm
Farmer Giles of Ham	Dreamdeer	Feb 6 2009, 12:17am
Not so late.	N.E. Brigand	Feb 6 2009, 12:33am
My mistake.	Dreamdeer	Feb 6 2009, 12:39am
You illustrate my point...	Dreamdeer	Feb 5 2009, 11:54pm
Yep	Darkstone	Feb 6 2009, 2:46am
What does the First Age	Curious	Feb 4 2009, 11:08pm
Sorry to get you involved again Curious	Elros	Feb 5 2009, 1:14am
Oh, I don't think he minds.	N.E. Brigand	Feb 6 2009, 4:30am
Easy now...	Dreamdeer	Feb 5 2009, 4:55am
We aren't talking about you	Ghills	Feb 5 2009, 4:11pm
Not true	simplyaven	Feb 5 2009, 4:34pm
Respectfully beg to differ	Ghills	Feb 5 2009, 5:03pm
We'll have to agree to disagree	simplyaven	Feb 5 2009, 5:31pm
Since LotR is already denounced	Curious	Feb 5 2009, 5:03pm
Farther back than you know. Which is a point.	a.s.	Feb 5 2009, 5:44pm
1849	Darkstone	Feb 5 2009, 6:03pm
Fair enough. I was trying to	Curious	Feb 5 2009, 6:24pm
Yes, And Gone With The Wind was popular, too.	a.s.	Feb 5 2009, 6:33pm
And not just the dominant race.	Dreamdeer	Feb 6 2009, 12:14am
Wow	Beren IV	Feb 6 2009, 2:57am
I just saw this post of yours..	Jettorex	Feb 6 2009, 9:36pm
That was me...	FarFromHome	Feb 6 2009, 10:17pm
Thank you! //	Dreamdeer	Feb 5 2009, 11:56pm
Being denounced is no indicator of anything...	FarFromHome	Feb 5 2009, 5:56pm
Another unconscious prejudice?	N.E. Brigand	Feb 5 2009, 6:06pm
I hadn't seen a.s.'s post	FarFromHome	Feb 5 2009, 6:18pm
when one race alone benefits from "blood line", that is racism at work.	a.s.	Feb 5 2009, 6:19pm
Do they still lead?	Dreamdeer	Feb 6 2009, 12:00am
Did not mean to give offense	Ghills	Feb 5 2009, 3:53pm
Princess Finduilas of Dol Amroth	Darkstone	Feb 2 2009, 5:48pm
Do John Noble and Viggo Mortensen look alike?	N.E. Brigand	Feb 2 2009, 5:51pm
Eurocentricity	a.s.	Feb 4 2009, 10:32pm
It's good you're back!	sador	Feb 5 2009, 8:01am
possibly. Remember, I don't read the appendices much. :-)	a.s.	Feb 5 2009, 5:14pm
Umbar, not Harad, I think	Ghills	Feb 5 2009, 10:26pm
In the Akallabeth	sador	Feb 6 2009, 7:34am
I stand corrected	Ghills	Feb 6 2009, 3:57pm
Thank you...	Ghills	Feb 5 2009, 10:38pm

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