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That doesn't seem so clear to me

FarFromHome
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Dec 1 2008, 7:19pm


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There is a clear Biblical reference here, can you name it?


And Moses said to the people: Fear not: stand and see the great wonders of the Lord, which he will do this day: for the Egyptians, whom you see now, you shall see no more for ever. The Lord will fight for you, and you shall hold your peace.



I only see one actual word in common between the two quotes - the word "stand". Gandalf doesn't promise "wonders" as Moses does, nor does he imply that any Unseen Power will fight for them. He simply tells the men to wait for the "hour of doom" (or decision) to come. I can't help thinking that many armies throughout history have been told to wait for the outcome of some other action before they attack, which is all Gandalf actually seems to be saying.

Not that there isn't a biblical tone here - but I don't see a clear reference to this particular verse.

Farewell, friends! I hear the call.
The ship’s beside the stony wall.
Foam is white and waves are grey;
beyond the sunset leads my way.
Bilbo's Last Song


Subject User Time
The Field of Cormallen #1: Stand, Men of the West a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Dec 1 2008, 12:01am
    Will Elros Send a private message to Elros Dec 1 2008, 3:41am
        could there be such a "will" in Real Life? a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Dec 1 2008, 11:57am
            Evil Elros Send a private message to Elros Dec 1 2008, 7:14pm
                Did all of them do evil? Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Dec 2 2008, 2:50am
                    Some yes, most not Elros Send a private message to Elros Dec 2 2008, 10:41pm
                We don't know if all the men are evil Finding Frodo Send a private message to Finding Frodo Dec 4 2008, 5:03pm
    A few thoughts, some to the point sador Send a private message to sador Dec 1 2008, 7:50am
    "For Solomon, we committed the wind" Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Dec 1 2008, 3:57pm
        Exodus 14:13-14 a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Dec 1 2008, 6:41pm
            Whoops! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Dec 1 2008, 6:46pm
            That doesn't seem so clear to me FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Dec 1 2008, 7:19pm
                well, heck. :-) a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Dec 1 2008, 7:40pm
                    Oh, I see it now FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Dec 2 2008, 8:33am
            Gosh, the one that popped into my mind when you asked the question Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Dec 1 2008, 10:14pm
        Great example Elros Send a private message to Elros Dec 1 2008, 7:29pm
    The Responsibility of Soldiers Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Dec 1 2008, 5:15pm

 
 
 

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