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Elros
Rivendell
Dec 1 2008, 3:41am
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4) Does "all the hosts of Mordor" include the Men of the South and East who joined forces with Sauron? I would assume it included Men as well. In the Silmarillion, the first evil Men, the original Easterlings, served Morgoth and yet hated him. Their leader, I believe it was Brodda but my memory is failing me right now, served Morgoth partially to avoid his wrath, but mostly through greed. After aiding Morgoth in overrunning the remnants of the House of Hador, he was promised and given Dor-lomin, but mostly as a prisoner himself, not as a true ruler. It's either submit or die. I'm sure Men of the Third Age were similiarly deceived by Sauron. Previously, the Mouth of Sauron's grand desires to be Sauron's chief Leuitenant after the War were discussed here.
If so, what is the implication of a "will" that can exert such control? The implication of this is simply something I'm sure Tolkien witnessed personally in his lifetime, Men are greedy. He fought in a war because some guys decided they either wanted land and power or they wanted more.
Are the Men fighting for Mordor responsible for their actions in this war? Absolutely. How are Men to be judged if they are not responsible for their actions? That's what makes Aragorn's pardon so noble.
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The Field of Cormallen #1: Stand, Men of the West
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a.s.
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Dec 1 2008, 12:01am
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Will
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Elros
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Dec 1 2008, 3:41am
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could there be such a "will" in Real Life?
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a.s.
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Dec 1 2008, 11:57am
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Evil
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Elros
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Dec 1 2008, 7:14pm
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Did all of them do evil?
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Dreamdeer
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Dec 2 2008, 2:50am
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Some yes, most not
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Elros
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Dec 2 2008, 10:41pm
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We don't know if all the men are evil
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Finding Frodo
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Dec 4 2008, 5:03pm
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A few thoughts, some to the point
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sador
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Dec 1 2008, 7:50am
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"For Solomon, we committed the wind"
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Darkstone
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Dec 1 2008, 3:57pm
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Exodus 14:13-14
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a.s.
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Dec 1 2008, 6:41pm
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Whoops!
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Darkstone
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Dec 1 2008, 6:46pm
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That doesn't seem so clear to me
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FarFromHome
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Dec 1 2008, 7:19pm
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well, heck. :-)
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a.s.
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Dec 1 2008, 7:40pm
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Oh, I see it now
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FarFromHome
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Dec 2 2008, 8:33am
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Gosh, the one that popped into my mind when you asked the question
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Dec 1 2008, 10:14pm
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Great example
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Elros
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Dec 1 2008, 7:29pm
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The Responsibility of Soldiers
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Dreamdeer
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Dec 1 2008, 5:15pm
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