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Altaira
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May 26 2008, 7:17pm
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"The White Coucil meets; Saruman agrees to an attack on Dol Guldur, since he now wishes to preven t Sauron from searching the River. Sauron having made his pland abandons Dol Guldur." Emphasis is mine. It's mentioned, in "The final chapter of The Hobbit "every now and again he [Bilbo] would open one eye, and listen, when a part of the story which he did not yet know came in. It was in this way that he learned where Gandalf had been to; for he overheard the words of the wizard to Elrond. It appeard that Gandalf had been to a great council of white wizards, masters of lore and good magic; and that they had at last driven the Necromancer from his dark hold in the south of Mirkwood" and again in "The Shadow of the Past:" "How long have you known all this?" asked Frodo again. "Known?" said Gandalf. "I have known much that only the wise know, Frodo. But if you mean "known about this ring", well, I still do not know, one might say. there is a last test to make. But I no longer doubt my guess." "When did I first begin to guess?' he mused, searching back in memory. "Let me see - it was the year that the White Council drove the dark power from Mirkwood, just before the Battle of Five armies, that Bilbo found his ring." Emphasis Tolkien's. and again in "The Council of Elrond" "Some here will remember that many years ago I myself dared to pass the doors of the Necromancer in Dol Guldur and secretly explore his ways, and found thus that our fears were true: he was none other than Sauron, our enemy of old, at length taking shape and power again. Some, too, will remember also that Saruman disuaded us from open deeds against him, and for long we watched him only. Yet at last, as his shadow grew, Saruman yielded, and the Council put forth its strength and drove the evil out of Mirkwood and that was in the very year of the finding of this Ring; a strange chance, if chance it was." "But we were too late, as Elrond foresaw. Sauron had also watched us, and had long prepared against our stroke, governing Mordor from afar from Minas Morgul, where his Nine servants dwelt, until all was ready. Then he gave way before us, but only feigned to flee, and soon after cam to the Dark Tower and openly declared himself." Emphais mine. I always thought it meant they physically went to drive him out but he 'ran away' just as, or just before, they got there. Those quotes also remind me of Gandalf entering Dol Guldur and finding not only Sauron, but Thorin's father Thrain held prisoner and the last of the Dwarven rings in Sauron's clutches. Another great movie opportunity! Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings. "Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower "I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase TORn Calendar
(This post was edited by Altaira on May 26 2008, 11:10pm)
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Is the Single Movie Hobbit a contractual obligation?
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AlatarVinyamar
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May 26 2008, 2:28pm
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Maybe not contractually...
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leo
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May 26 2008, 2:40pm
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I disagree
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SeanDuff
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May 26 2008, 3:55pm
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Late introductions
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Altaira
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May 26 2008, 5:25pm
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Parallel timelines
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merklynn
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May 26 2008, 5:54pm
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Dol Guldur
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FrodoEyes
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May 26 2008, 6:19pm
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The Appendices also say:
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Altaira
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May 26 2008, 7:17pm
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Yeah but that last event took place before the events in...
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leo
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May 26 2008, 7:28pm
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True
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Altaira
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May 26 2008, 7:38pm
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2 centavos-
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Guillermo
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May 26 2008, 10:17pm
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That's very reassuring
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burrahobbit
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May 26 2008, 10:32pm
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Thank you!
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AlatarVinyamar
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May 26 2008, 10:46pm
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Thanks for the clarification
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Altaira
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May 26 2008, 11:21pm
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and that makes me think ..
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Elven
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May 26 2008, 11:33pm
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Thank you ,Guillermo.
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ShadoFaxs
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May 27 2008, 1:17am
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Thank you!
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Peredhil lover
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May 27 2008, 5:30am
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Thank you Guillermo
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fingolfin_nc
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May 27 2008, 8:40pm
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Well
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Darkstone
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May 27 2008, 8:58pm
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And in the end...
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dernwyn
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May 28 2008, 12:11am
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*broad smile* You can't ask better than that!
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grammaboodawg
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May 28 2008, 1:18am
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For Guillermo & Co: A Holm-Related HOBBIT Idea!
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Faramond
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Jun 2 2008, 8:18pm
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The hunt for Gollum
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Elizabeth
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May 26 2008, 6:55pm
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It would make for an interesting movie though
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leo
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May 26 2008, 7:30pm
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Is there a 17-year gap in the film of FotR? //
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N.E. Brigand
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May 27 2008, 3:52am
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Not in the film, but I think it is in the book //
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Kelvarhin
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May 27 2008, 4:06am
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It's not necessarily not in the film
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Arwen's daughter
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May 27 2008, 4:33am
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It was very cleverly done.
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Elizabeth
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May 27 2008, 7:33am
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I always got the impression from the film
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Kelvarhin
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May 27 2008, 7:36am
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You said it
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Earl
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May 27 2008, 8:59am
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I'm hoping for new storylines in Film2
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burrahobbit
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May 27 2008, 1:08pm
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Hmm... you have a point
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Earl
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May 27 2008, 1:51pm
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Gandalf's vigilance good theme
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burrahobbit
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May 27 2008, 2:22pm
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The question is...
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AlatarVinyamar
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May 27 2008, 2:35pm
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Agree- Dol Guldur would work as a climax
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burrahobbit
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May 27 2008, 3:14pm
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I love the Gandalf Vigilante idea
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Empedocles
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May 27 2008, 3:14pm
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17 years
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FarFromHome
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May 27 2008, 11:20am
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It depends on how you look at it
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Earl
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May 27 2008, 8:48am
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