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The Appendices also say:

Altaira
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May 26 2008, 7:17pm


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"The White Coucil meets; Saruman agrees to an attack on Dol Guldur, since he now wishes to preven t Sauron from searching the River. Sauron having made his pland abandons Dol Guldur."



Emphasis is mine. It's mentioned, in "The final chapter of The Hobbit


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"every now and again he [Bilbo] would open one eye, and listen, when a part of the story which he did not yet know came in. It was in this way that he learned where Gandalf had been to; for he overheard the words of the wizard to Elrond. It appeard that Gandalf had been to a great council of white wizards, masters of lore and good magic; and that they had at last driven the Necromancer from his dark hold in the south of Mirkwood"



and again in "The Shadow of the Past:"


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"How long have you known all this?" asked Frodo again.

"Known?" said Gandalf. "I have known much that only the wise know, Frodo. But if you mean "known about this ring", well, I still do not know, one might say. there is a last test to make. But I no longer doubt my guess."

"When did I first begin to guess?' he mused, searching back in memory. "Let me see - it was the year that the White Council drove the dark power from Mirkwood, just before the Battle of Five armies, that Bilbo found his ring."



Emphasis Tolkien's.

and again in "The Council of Elrond"


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"Some here will remember that many years ago I myself dared to pass the doors of the Necromancer in Dol Guldur and secretly explore his ways, and found thus that our fears were true: he was none other than Sauron, our enemy of old, at length taking shape and power again. Some, too, will remember also that Saruman disuaded us from open deeds against him, and for long we watched him only. Yet at last, as his shadow grew, Saruman yielded, and the Council put forth its strength and drove the evil out of Mirkwood and that was in the very year of the finding of this Ring; a strange chance, if chance it was."

"But we were too late, as Elrond foresaw. Sauron had also watched us, and had long prepared against our stroke, governing Mordor from afar from Minas Morgul, where his Nine servants dwelt, until all was ready. Then he gave way before us, but only feigned to flee, and soon after cam to the Dark Tower and openly declared himself."

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Emphais mine.

I always thought it meant they physically went to drive him out but he 'ran away' just as, or just before, they got there.

Those quotes also remind me of Gandalf entering Dol Guldur and finding not only Sauron, but Thorin's father Thrain held prisoner and the last of the Dwarven rings in Sauron's clutches. Another great movie opportunity!


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(This post was edited by Altaira on May 26 2008, 11:10pm)

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Is the Single Movie Hobbit a contractual obligation? AlatarVinyamar Send a private message to AlatarVinyamar May 26 2008, 2:28pm
    Maybe not contractually... leo Send a private message to leo May 26 2008, 2:40pm
        I disagree SeanDuff Send a private message to SeanDuff May 26 2008, 3:55pm
            Late introductions Altaira Send a private message to Altaira May 26 2008, 5:25pm
                Parallel timelines merklynn Send a private message to merklynn May 26 2008, 5:54pm
                    Dol Guldur FrodoEyes Send a private message to FrodoEyes May 26 2008, 6:19pm
                        The Appendices also say: Altaira Send a private message to Altaira May 26 2008, 7:17pm
                            Yeah but that last event took place before the events in... leo Send a private message to leo May 26 2008, 7:28pm
                                True Altaira Send a private message to Altaira May 26 2008, 7:38pm
                                    2 centavos- Guillermo May 26 2008, 10:17pm
                                        That's very reassuring burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit May 26 2008, 10:32pm
                                        Thank you! AlatarVinyamar Send a private message to AlatarVinyamar May 26 2008, 10:46pm
                                        Thanks for the clarification Altaira Send a private message to Altaira May 26 2008, 11:21pm
                                        and that makes me think .. Elven Send a private message to Elven May 26 2008, 11:33pm
                                        Thank you ,Guillermo. ShadoFaxs Send a private message to ShadoFaxs May 27 2008, 1:17am
                                        Thank you! Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover May 27 2008, 5:30am
                                        Thank you Guillermo fingolfin_nc Send a private message to fingolfin_nc May 27 2008, 8:40pm
                                        Well Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 27 2008, 8:58pm
                                        And in the end... dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn May 28 2008, 12:11am
                                        *broad smile* You can't ask better than that! grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg May 28 2008, 1:18am
                                        For Guillermo & Co: A Holm-Related HOBBIT Idea! Faramond Send a private message to Faramond Jun 2 2008, 8:18pm
                    The hunt for Gollum Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth May 26 2008, 6:55pm
                        It would make for an interesting movie though leo Send a private message to leo May 26 2008, 7:30pm
                        Is there a 17-year gap in the film of FotR? // N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand May 27 2008, 3:52am
                            Not in the film, but I think it is in the book // Kelvarhin Send a private message to Kelvarhin May 27 2008, 4:06am
                            It's not necessarily not in the film Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter May 27 2008, 4:33am
                                It was very cleverly done. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth May 27 2008, 7:33am
                                    I always got the impression from the film Kelvarhin Send a private message to Kelvarhin May 27 2008, 7:36am
                                    You said it Earl Send a private message to Earl May 27 2008, 8:59am
                                        I'm hoping for new storylines in Film2 burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit May 27 2008, 1:08pm
                                            Hmm... you have a point Earl Send a private message to Earl May 27 2008, 1:51pm
                                                Gandalf's vigilance good theme burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit May 27 2008, 2:22pm
                                                    The question is... AlatarVinyamar Send a private message to AlatarVinyamar May 27 2008, 2:35pm
                                                        Agree- Dol Guldur would work as a climax burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit May 27 2008, 3:14pm
                                                        I love the Gandalf Vigilante idea Empedocles Send a private message to Empedocles May 27 2008, 3:14pm
                                    17 years FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome May 27 2008, 11:20am
                            It depends on how you look at it Earl Send a private message to Earl May 27 2008, 8:48am

 
 
 

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