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In the book too there have been big changes...

mae govannen
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May 24 2008, 10:37am


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In the book too there have been big changes... [In reply to] Can't Post
You wonder why Éowyn is given so much space in the book as compared to Arwen?...
I learnt first here (= on TORn), and read later on myself in the HoMe books, why: for a long time there was actually no Arwen at all in the story, and it was Éowyn that Tolkien intended as the future Queen of Aragorn/Elessar!!!
But then Arwen stepped into the story quite by herself at some point (just as previously Aragorn/Strider himself had, by the way!...), and immediately imposed herself as the real Love of Aragorn and his real Queen-to-be; but by then it was impossible for Tolkien, however hard he tried, to work the story of their love into the book itself without ruining it, so he had to make a beautiful Appendix of it...
Quite a momentous change, isn't it?! It blew my mind to discover that!!! Shocked
But as the whole book came to JRRT in that mostly unexpected and inspirational way, it isn't so surprising after all...
I personally appreciate the willingness of Tolkien as 'the author', to abandon altogether his first idea already so much worked upon and developed, and to put in its place a totally new inspiration it it felt 'right' to him!...
'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)

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The Hobbit Scripts Changeitminimally Send a private message to Changeitminimally May 21 2008, 1:39pm
    Not That I've Heard Of DiveTwin Send a private message to DiveTwin May 21 2008, 2:55pm
    Quick thoughts merklynn Send a private message to merklynn May 21 2008, 6:32pm
    No, I haven't. grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg May 21 2008, 7:58pm
    But Jazmine Send a private message to Jazmine May 21 2008, 8:17pm
        Really? Legolas is from Mirkwood? And he's an Elf?! Changeitminimally Send a private message to Changeitminimally May 21 2008, 9:35pm
            Love your nic, changeitminimally... Patty Send a private message to Patty May 21 2008, 9:47pm
                Regarding Legolas. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand May 21 2008, 10:05pm
                    I would agree that... Patty Send a private message to Patty May 21 2008, 10:13pm
                        Arwen IS dying merklynn Send a private message to merklynn May 22 2008, 12:06am
                            Nah, neither weird nor ignorant... Patty Send a private message to Patty May 22 2008, 12:13am
                                The way I look at this stuff... merklynn Send a private message to merklynn May 22 2008, 12:25am
                                    Shield Legolas! Patty Send a private message to Patty May 22 2008, 12:38am
                            Well. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand May 22 2008, 3:14am
                                That would have been better, I think. - NT merklynn Send a private message to merklynn May 22 2008, 3:31am
                            I fully agree sador Send a private message to sador May 22 2008, 10:49am
                    Well Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 21 2008, 10:36pm
                        I don't mind Legolas being in AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 22 2008, 2:03pm
            Really!! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 21 2008, 9:48pm
            Changes are in fact necessary. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand May 21 2008, 9:58pm
                sounds Changeitminimally Send a private message to Changeitminimally May 21 2008, 10:01pm
                    Throw them out! N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand May 21 2008, 10:08pm
            Think about it Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover May 22 2008, 4:51am
                The script Lost Hobbit Send a private message to Lost Hobbit May 22 2008, 10:03am
                In the book too there have been big changes... mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen May 24 2008, 10:37am
                    Ah yes Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover May 25 2008, 3:56pm
            Huh? Jazmine Send a private message to Jazmine May 22 2008, 9:41pm
                re: huh? Changeitminimally Send a private message to Changeitminimally May 23 2008, 1:10am
                    C'mon... merklynn Send a private message to merklynn May 23 2008, 1:49am
                        thanks for your response Changeitminimally Send a private message to Changeitminimally May 23 2008, 2:30am
                            No problem, just like to give a counter argument - NT merklynn Send a private message to merklynn May 23 2008, 2:33am
                        Very well said, Merklynn! Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover May 23 2008, 5:30am
                            It wasn't (just) a lack of patience. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand May 23 2008, 1:39pm
                        "no LOTR film will ever be made simply for art's sake" N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand May 23 2008, 1:42pm
                            So true. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome May 23 2008, 2:49pm
                                Good examples merklynn Send a private message to merklynn May 23 2008, 2:57pm
                                    Yeah Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 23 2008, 3:20pm
                                    So I take it... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome May 23 2008, 4:00pm
                                        Nope I was treating Tolkien's work as an exception :-) -NT merklynn Send a private message to merklynn May 23 2008, 4:04pm
                                            Tolkien's an exception and the Bible isn't? FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome May 23 2008, 4:08pm
                                                Which translation, to start off with... Lunamoth Send a private message to Lunamoth May 23 2008, 4:11pm
                                                    KJV Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 23 2008, 4:17pm
                                                    Which translation would Michelangelo have used, do you mean? FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome May 23 2008, 4:23pm
                                                        Agreed Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 23 2008, 4:42pm
                                                        No it isn't. Lunamoth Send a private message to Lunamoth May 23 2008, 4:43pm
                                                            Oh, I see what you mean now. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome May 23 2008, 5:01pm
                                                        Wow, quite deep without meaning to be merklynn Send a private message to merklynn May 23 2008, 4:48pm
                                                            Well Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 23 2008, 5:03pm
                                                                Oh Darkstone... Patty Send a private message to Patty May 23 2008, 5:07pm
                                                Rephrase merklynn Send a private message to merklynn May 23 2008, 4:15pm
                                And in music. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 23 2008, 3:07pm
                                    Yeah. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome May 23 2008, 4:05pm
                            I surely most hope not!! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 23 2008, 3:14pm
                    The Scouring balanced the first five chapters of Fellowship squire Send a private message to squire May 23 2008, 4:13am
                        Exactly merklynn Send a private message to merklynn May 23 2008, 4:47am
                        Excellent point FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome May 23 2008, 10:49am
                    Yes, I agree Jazmine Send a private message to Jazmine May 23 2008, 7:30pm
                        "just because we didn't see Sam put on the Ring, it doesn't mean he didn't" N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand May 23 2008, 8:18pm
                            Ad absudum Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 23 2008, 8:44pm
                                So was Boyens saying N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand May 23 2008, 8:56pm
                                    Well Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 23 2008, 9:27pm
                                        Sorry about the repetition. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand May 23 2008, 10:29pm
                                    Boyens' comment... weaver Send a private message to weaver May 23 2008, 9:36pm
                                        Kind of like Tolkien.. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 23 2008, 9:49pm
                                    I think she was saying FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome May 23 2008, 9:55pm
                                        Frodo's whispers into Sam's ears before going over the Sea... mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen May 24 2008, 4:33pm
                                            Can you elaborate? Earl Send a private message to Earl May 24 2008, 5:57pm
                                            I like your interpretation FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome May 24 2008, 7:45pm
                                                Yes, yes, yes! Starling Send a private message to Starling May 24 2008, 10:08pm
                Thank you for straightening things up regarding Sam: mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen May 24 2008, 10:43am
    Don't know if it can be done NewMenOrion Send a private message to NewMenOrion May 21 2008, 10:07pm
    Bardwyn :) Mirabella_Bunce Send a private message to Mirabella_Bunce May 23 2008, 1:03pm
    I'm reading the Hobbit now, and God, it's awful... xxxyyy Send a private message to xxxyyy May 24 2008, 12:13am
        You realise it's a children's book, right? // Lunamoth Send a private message to Lunamoth May 24 2008, 2:10am
            Ues... I know that, but... xxxyyy Send a private message to xxxyyy May 24 2008, 2:40pm
                Could you expand N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand May 24 2008, 3:23pm
                    I don't want a Harry Potter movie xxxyyy Send a private message to xxxyyy May 24 2008, 11:58pm
                        I don't think you have to worry Lunamoth Send a private message to Lunamoth May 25 2008, 12:44am
        You've "read everything else by Tolkien"? N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand May 24 2008, 5:25am
            Ah!" you got... not that one... xxxyyy Send a private message to xxxyyy May 24 2008, 2:42pm
                "The Hobbit" is a masterpiece of children's literature. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand May 24 2008, 3:27pm

 
 
 

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