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Sunflower
Valinor
Jan 9 2011, 7:51pm
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This is more or less a reply to you agreeing with you--but I'd like to address our new friends like Bran, Nob, Arda etc Some of us are not "naysayers" as much as merely VERY concerned, and there are good reasons. I consider myself neither "naysayer" nor cheerleader--my position might be a bit complicated. Tying TH inside an LOTR "candy-wrapper" Prologue/Epilogue, with a bit of TH "voice-oever" narration by Elijah, does not concern me. If it is done carefully and jusiciously, in that it ensures a smooth flowing of the story, is fine with me. I was always of the opinion that some sort of "tie-in" with LOTR was inevitable, on tghe part of the film-makers--a film franchise/story being much different than the book. And maybe it is for the best, since the four screenwriters had a much more difficult task this time around. At first blush, adapting LOTR seems like the harder task, b/c of its massive scope. But it was a single version of a single dtory, written for adults, with elements that made it more adaptable for modern audiences. But with TH we have a conundrum: which "Hobbit" to use? The 1937 origional fireside-tale for 6 yr old children, which the world fell in love with and which is the basis for every school stage play worldwide down the years, OR Tolkien's later revision of his middle-aged years, seemingly tyoing in closer with LOTR? With its more "adult" tone? (We shall see if this is the case.) And how to sneak in any Unfinished Tales material, if they decided to do so, and I think they may have tried to? SO there isn't even one version of TH. (Makes me wonder: if the world had been introduced to Tolkien's later version first,, would TH have been as beloved as it has been? The charming sugar-coated tale is qwuite complelling. When you get down to barss tacks, TH is a pretty grim tale.) I always thought that a happy medium could be reached: the story beginning light-hearted and whimscial as LOTR did, with the Party, and getting darker. Are people upset that this seems to confirm a darker more LOTR-like tone and look and feel to TH, no "whimsy" (and that is a loaded word), that this means the film version of the 1937 Hobbit is dust, or that they don't want a repeat of Jackson's LOTR? Myself, I had no concerns about the story at the scriptwriting stage. I have no doubts about the team of Peter, Fran, Philippa, and Guillermo to craft a compelling and awe-inspiring tale, every bit as faiythful to the spirit and heart and soul of Tolkien's tale. And I can tolerate some slight deviatins. What concerns me though are elements of the storytelling every bit as important as words on the page. And thismay interfere with the effect of the words on the page. Statements like" I trust Peter's writing/story-telling abilities as much as I trust Tolkien's writing abilities" are a bit (pardon me, I am not trying to put down anbybody, just stating an opinion) very presumptuous. You have to remember that no film is independant of the times it is birthed in--it does not exist in blank space. Many factors go in to it to make it what it is. TH has had a long and torturous history even before it was green-lit, and thingsd are not going to get easier from here. The thing that concerns me is that we are working wigth a different person in a different era. 10-12 yrs ago The Peter Jackson that we fell in love with was a solid film-maker with a string of middle-brow "hits" in his pocket: little film gems that had placved him just bubbling under the radar,. He was in that best of times for a film-maker, as for a muscian, in some aspects: when you are enough in the spotlight for people to be noting what you do, but you still have the freedom from heat to be allowed that innicebtly questing spirit, that senese of fun and excitement and adventure. The Peter Jackson we came to know and love was a jolly "hobbit" who was building his kingdom down in NZ and still looked upon the world with a wondering eye--in his film at least. Even HC had its sense of playful mischeviousness in the midde passages of the film. Then the "Beautiful madness" of 2001-03 came and went and we saw him transform before our eyes. Mr Cere I remember wrote a fascinating article about "the new Peter Jackson" a few yrs back. (I widh a link could be found). But that was before King Kong, before The Lovely Bones, and before all the manifold troubles of TH's birth. Before he became a Mogul. In some aspects, he has not changed--less so than you would think. He is a fascinating dicotomy--a lot more is hidden behind that placid experior than you think,, and maybe the Kiwis have seen more of it than the world at large. Some would argue that this sideof him came out with a bang during the recent labor dispute, and maybe it did, but I think there was also a lot of genuine reactionary and well-deserved angler there. I think there were many reasons why Jackson did not origionally want to direct. (and maybe why he still doesn;t.) Fear of haivng to top himself (and how much more is that fear now, it will permeate every hour in the editing room). And a desire, perhaps, to hand Middle-Earth off into different hands. Not a passing of the torch as much as a sense that the franchise did indeed need fresh new blood. Many of us don't as much "defer to Del Toro';s opinions" as much as continue to remember and pay homage to the fact that for more than *two years* he was Peter's hand-picked DIRECTOR of this massive project, and such a deciusion is not made lightly. Someday we might ask Peter point-blank why he wanted to hand Middle-Earth off to someone else, at least in the director's chair. Which is a HUGE deal. It is a director's ethis that pervades an entire project. Even if he (or she) did niot write the thing, it is their look, their vision, that shows up onscreen, if they are an illustragtor it is their vision you see. It;s their DoP, their Art Directors, their production design and FX teams,. It's their worldview that we experience. It's any last-minute script revisions that we get in the final cut (and we know how Peter works on this:). I think that having Del Toro collaberating on the writing phase was the BEST thing that could have happened to Peter, as it reminded him of why he fell in klove with the moviesL: he rediscovered (from what we we have heard of the collabveration) the sense of FUN and JOY, that sense of chilld-like excitement, that it is so easy to lose wheb one becomes a MOGUL--and when your worldview and film-making aesthtics are set in stone,. Let's hopw these elements of the process will survive onscreen. NOw we have a Jackson who has been gthrough, for better or worse, Pelennor Fields. It reminds me of how the film Mery and Puippin remained hobbit-like ungtil that final battle, which changed them forever. Now Jackson is sans his "brother in arms" director (for whatever reason, though I think it had a lot more to do than scheduling conflicts), and permanently scarred by the Pelennor Fileds of the labor dispute, which IMO went on for far longer than the public saw. And now he has had a confrontationakl meeting with his WB bosses in NZ, and who knows what artistic consessions they got from him? And he is in the exact postion he sought so stringly to avoid: rushing to meet frantic deadlines before a camera has rolled, making up for lost time, under pressure from the studio. struggling tio top himself, and cosncious of the fwct thq Del Toro is *still* mourned by many fans worldwide in this projecft--and the world;s media will betaqlking about TLB and remembering Del Toro also. THe one aspect of Del Toro that I was eagerly looking forward to onscreen was that he was a man of "OLd WOrld" sensibilty. That is, he is an intellectual in the truw sense of the word--he , unlike many American and British contemporaries (or NZ for that matter) still viewes the world primarily through lirerature, through books--while Jackosn, Spileberg, Lucas, even Coppola and Scorcese and almost every other Hollywod director are products of the TV age: their main cinemastic insopirations are from the world of TV, movies, video. Thwy get the big second-hand. I could go off on tbis, It doesn;t make one better or worse..it;'s a different way of working, that's all. There are other aspects f Del Toro I could go on about--and since Nob addressed PL I could reply to that, but I won't (yet). For me that's a whole nother topic. But there are those of us who felt that this franchise needed an Irvin Kershner, as Peter Jackson needed to re-discover himself. And he desperately needs that sense of fun and adventure back...and someine to tell him when to rein it in. Fran and Philippa couk do that...but they haven;t ben winning the battles lately, it seems..CGU or otherwise.
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Subject
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User
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Time
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Elijah Wood will be in 'The Hobbit'
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News from Bree
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Jan 6 2011, 11:20pm
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I knew it!
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Mooseboy018
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Jan 7 2011, 5:52am
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Wow!
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Ainu Laire
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Jan 7 2011, 6:14am
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Not a fan of this
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duats
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Jan 7 2011, 6:15am
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My reaction is the same, but...
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Milknut
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Jan 7 2011, 6:24am
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It just strikes me
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duats
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Jan 7 2011, 6:29am
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The filmmakers, or the film's budget providers?
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Ainu Laire
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Jan 7 2011, 6:46am
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Agreed.
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Owain
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Jan 7 2011, 6:50am
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This is NOT a shock... tho is is sad.
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jarrellj
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Jan 7 2011, 2:42pm
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PJ, Fran and Philippa Boyens are huge fans of Tolkien.
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macfalk
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Jan 7 2011, 2:44pm
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And let's not forget Guillermo del Toro
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Flagg
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Jan 7 2011, 2:47pm
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I'm not so sure on GDT.
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macfalk
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Jan 7 2011, 2:57pm
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I think that statement was taken out of context.
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Flagg
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Jan 7 2011, 5:22pm
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respectfully disagree
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nobofthepony
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Jan 8 2011, 5:30am
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Really?
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Sunflower
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Jan 8 2011, 6:07am
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I'm afraid PJ will turn him into at least a bit of an "action-hobbit", sadly.//
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The Party Tree
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Jan 8 2011, 6:31am
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is it that much of a stretch??
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nobofthepony
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Jan 8 2011, 6:47am
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really!
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nobofthepony
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Jan 8 2011, 6:36am
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A couple of questions:
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 8 2011, 6:48am
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...
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nobofthepony
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Jan 8 2011, 7:02am
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I wouldn't say
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Flagg
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Jan 8 2011, 2:15pm
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case in point...
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nobofthepony
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Jan 8 2011, 8:39pm
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According to the EE appendices
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Flagg
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Jan 8 2011, 8:58pm
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let me check
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nobofthepony
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Jan 8 2011, 9:27pm
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I think the other reasons
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Flagg
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Jan 8 2011, 9:38pm
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question
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nobofthepony
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Jan 8 2011, 9:48pm
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Well
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Flagg
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Jan 8 2011, 10:03pm
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I concur
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nobofthepony
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Jan 9 2011, 12:51am
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Aragorn and the cliff
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Bran
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Jan 9 2011, 11:06am
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exact quote...
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Mooseboy018
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Jan 8 2011, 9:51pm
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Well they were hardly going to say something like
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Flagg
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Jan 8 2011, 10:08pm
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But sometimes they should
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Altaira
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Jan 8 2011, 10:26pm
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I meant no disrespect to them
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Flagg
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Jan 8 2011, 10:31pm
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Lets also not forget
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Junesong
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Jan 8 2011, 11:34pm
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I think
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macfalk
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Jan 9 2011, 12:31am
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14 foot bad guys
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Bran
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Jan 9 2011, 11:02am
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Yes he did change his mind
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Ataahua
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Jan 7 2011, 7:54pm
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Financial gain first?
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Bran
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Jan 7 2011, 5:39pm
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I'm sorry but
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R11
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Jan 7 2011, 9:13pm
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Agree with duats...
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Captain Salt
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Jan 7 2011, 5:42pm
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The Hobbit or the Hen?
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mtsquad
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Jan 7 2011, 11:22pm
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HUH?
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Sunflower
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Jan 7 2011, 6:43am
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Methinks Peter has been watching too much LOST.//
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Owain
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Jan 7 2011, 6:54am
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LOL
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Sunflower
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Jan 7 2011, 7:03am
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My brain hurst as well.
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Owain
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Jan 7 2011, 7:05am
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Great points by the way.//
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Owain
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Jan 7 2011, 6:55am
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Yes, actor Ryan Gage
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macfalk
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Jan 7 2011, 11:33am
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Also, what most of the nay-sayers are forgetting
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macfalk
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Jan 7 2011, 11:58am
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There will be blood...
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Bound
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Jan 7 2011, 12:19pm
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We're Fans. Of course we're going to cry, moan, complain, and bicker about every little detail! What else did you expect? ;) //
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Ainu Laire
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Jan 7 2011, 2:26pm
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Narrator
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Vangalad
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Jan 7 2011, 12:30pm
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The narrator's voice
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Flagg
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Jan 7 2011, 1:52pm
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But you forget
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Sunflower
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Jan 7 2011, 6:42pm
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How the heck must these movies then be viewed in future?
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hobbit2012
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Jan 7 2011, 7:46pm
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Two points
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Flagg
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Jan 7 2011, 7:53pm
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My guess is that we could possibly see Ian Holm telling Wood
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Eruonen
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Jan 7 2011, 8:28pm
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Elijah Wood 10 years on
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carrioncrow
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Jan 7 2011, 11:40pm
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I love it
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Junesong
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Jan 7 2011, 6:28am
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Every time I come on here
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Lindele
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Jan 7 2011, 3:00pm
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A bit too much complaining, yes //
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macfalk
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Jan 7 2011, 3:07pm
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If you think this is bad....
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Darkstone
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Jan 7 2011, 3:16pm
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In my crystal ball
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macfalk
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Jan 7 2011, 3:24pm
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Or else...
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Darkstone
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Jan 7 2011, 3:32pm
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Both.
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Silverlode
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Jan 7 2011, 7:02pm
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It's not a purse! It's a Middle Earthian carry-all!!
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Brandybuckled
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Jan 7 2011, 7:16pm
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LOL!
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RosieLass
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Jan 7 2011, 7:42pm
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Well, if we're allowed only to agree with everything...
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RosieLass
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Jan 7 2011, 4:10pm
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Right.
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Elentari03
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Jan 7 2011, 4:24pm
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That is by no means what I'm saying
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Lindele
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Jan 7 2011, 4:44pm
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Lindele..
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Patty
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Jan 7 2011, 4:46pm
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Lindele
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macfalk
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Jan 7 2011, 5:37pm
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Not so much positive or negative,
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SirDennisC
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Jan 7 2011, 6:11pm
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Sorry.
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RosieLass
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Jan 7 2011, 6:25pm
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Lindele, I see your point.
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Silverlode
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Jan 7 2011, 7:11pm
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You're right about the McKellen announcement
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Flagg
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Jan 7 2011, 7:20pm
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I think
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macfalk
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Jan 7 2011, 7:26pm
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Here's a thought
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Pipe Dream
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Jan 7 2011, 7:36pm
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I love the idea of working Bombadil in somehow
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Flagg
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Jan 7 2011, 7:39pm
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Well, I was hoping that everyone would be new, too.
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RosieLass
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Jan 7 2011, 7:26pm
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I agree
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Flagg
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Jan 7 2011, 7:33pm
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Well, no.
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RosieLass
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Jan 7 2011, 7:39pm
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What you are talking about sounds like a reboot
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Flagg
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Jan 7 2011, 7:47pm
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That's exactly what I wanted.
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RosieLass
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Jan 7 2011, 8:41pm
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Audiences don't want excellent series to be rebooted.
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Flagg
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Jan 7 2011, 8:55pm
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Everyone? Who is this "everyone"?
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RosieLass
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Jan 7 2011, 9:01pm
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I don't think I'm being unreasonable.
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Flagg
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Jan 7 2011, 9:11pm
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Please take this to PM if you must continue
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Altaira
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Jan 7 2011, 10:14pm
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Continuity
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Bran
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Jan 7 2011, 11:26pm
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Thanks Silverlode
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Lindele
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Jan 9 2011, 7:00am
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I agree
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LoremIpsum
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Jan 9 2011, 8:01am
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Tying in The Hobbit with LOTR
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Bran
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Jan 9 2011, 11:18am
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and then...
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carrioncrow
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Jan 9 2011, 2:19pm
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Well he didn't need to
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Bran
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Jan 9 2011, 2:36pm
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I wish there was a like option like facebook
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Junesong
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Jan 9 2011, 6:45pm
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"Naysayers"
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Sunflower
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Jan 9 2011, 7:51pm
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Sunflower, Thanks for that
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Bran
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Jan 9 2011, 8:50pm
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I agree with basically everything you said
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Mooseboy018
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Jan 9 2011, 9:54pm
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Making Bilbo's journey more powerful than it is in the book.
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 9 2011, 9:55pm
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Who said Bilbo's journey was weak?
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Flagg
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Jan 10 2011, 3:49pm
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Improvement is a very relative term
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 10 2011, 4:02pm
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Do you really think so?
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Flagg
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Jan 10 2011, 4:56pm
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But we know
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Bran
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Jan 10 2011, 5:05pm
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It's only going to get worse :)
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Ainu Laire
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Jan 7 2011, 4:58pm
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Remark about "upsetting the most ardent purists"
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Ainu Laire
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Jan 7 2011, 6:33am
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You are right
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MrCere
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Jan 7 2011, 7:06am
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Heh!
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Ainu Laire
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Jan 7 2011, 7:35am
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Regarding purists
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Bran
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Jan 7 2011, 12:26pm
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Oh yes, I agree there are different levels of 'purity'
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Ainu Laire
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Jan 7 2011, 2:19pm
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Thanks! You just gave me an idea for my sig line!
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Brandybuckled
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Jan 7 2011, 6:57pm
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Forgive my ignorance, but
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Elentari03
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Jan 7 2011, 10:51pm
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NARF: Not a real fan. //
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 7 2011, 10:53pm
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Many thanks.//
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Elentari03
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Jan 7 2011, 10:58pm
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Most things like that can be found at the TORNspeak dictionary
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Pipe Dream
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Jan 7 2011, 10:59pm
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LOL!!
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Ainu Laire
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Jan 7 2011, 11:16pm
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You are correct, sir!
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hamlet
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Jan 7 2011, 5:13pm
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Hmmm...
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Owain
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Jan 7 2011, 6:44am
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Good point
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Sunflower
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Jan 7 2011, 7:00am
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And what about Sir Ian Holm?
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RaoulJ
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Jan 7 2011, 7:27am
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I believe Ian Holm has retired from acting. Health issues I believe.
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 7 2011, 7:30am
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Oh yes, I just said this in MrCere's poll in the pollantir...
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Patty
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Jan 7 2011, 7:35am
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yes
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RaoulJ
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Jan 7 2011, 8:42am
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So
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rings7
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Jan 8 2011, 5:15am
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It would fit with the Hobbit's narrative style!
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Ainu Laire
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Jan 7 2011, 7:00am
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It would fit the narrative style for sure...
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Owain
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Jan 7 2011, 7:10am
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about the Princess Bride..
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titanium_hobbit
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Jan 7 2011, 7:23am
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Relax
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sharku
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Jan 7 2011, 7:35am
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"No mention of Christopher Lee"
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Patty
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Jan 7 2011, 7:40am
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Sort of like my unwavering belief
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Ainu Laire
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Jan 7 2011, 7:44am
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I suspect Guillermo del Toro had nothing to do with this.
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 7 2011, 8:00am
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I don't view it as one, either
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Ainu Laire
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Jan 7 2011, 7:39am
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What I thought from the start...
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moreorless
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Jan 7 2011, 5:15pm
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Why not run with the book version?
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flying fish
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Jan 8 2011, 10:12am
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I may have read it wrong but
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sphdle1
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Jan 7 2011, 12:31pm
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making freeman the earlier version of holmes
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titanium_hobbit
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Jan 7 2011, 7:01am
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Of course he won't be the 15th member...
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Mooseboy018
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Jan 7 2011, 7:18am
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Now I have to go home and dig out a letter I wrote and sent
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 7 2011, 7:22am
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I have to be honest
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Eärwen Swan Maiden Of Alqualondë
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Jan 7 2011, 5:05pm
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Hear hear!
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Mithrandír
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Jan 7 2011, 5:24pm
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So it takes Frodo
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Ataahua
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Jan 7 2011, 8:01pm
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Hi Ataahua!! *waves*
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Eärwen Swan Maiden Of Alqualondë
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Jan 8 2011, 3:46pm
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*Points at Kangi....."Burn him!"
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Snaga
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Jan 7 2011, 11:37pm
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The thought of being responsible makes me queasy.
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 8 2011, 12:23am
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I found the letter. I thought I had deleted it but It got saved on disk when I backed up My Doccuments
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 8 2011, 1:38am
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If you wrote that letter then why are you dissappointed by this news? //
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lurtz2010
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Jan 8 2011, 2:23am
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As I said earlier:
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 8 2011, 2:32am
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The Neverending Hobbit
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guitarzankansasfan
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Jan 7 2011, 8:04am
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But wasn't there a car chase in there some where?//
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 7 2011, 8:06am
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Re: The Neverending Hobbit
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Seanwise
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Jan 7 2011, 12:50pm
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Not really surprised..
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Bound
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Jan 7 2011, 8:49am
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Agreed!
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Imladris18
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Jan 7 2011, 9:13am
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I like it...
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Maiarmike
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Jan 7 2011, 9:21am
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sniff sniff.
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Welsh hero
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Jan 7 2011, 9:04am
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I'm just delighted!!!
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mae govannen
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Jan 7 2011, 9:26am
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This is fun!
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dormouse
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Jan 7 2011, 1:19pm
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Well, it does make sense to do it that way
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Kyriel
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Jan 7 2011, 11:01am
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Oh. My. Gahd... No
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geordie
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Jan 7 2011, 1:28pm
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That's a tad melodramatic.
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Flagg
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Jan 7 2011, 1:30pm
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Honest question
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Ainu Laire
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Jan 7 2011, 2:24pm
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Perhaps
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macfalk
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Jan 7 2011, 2:39pm
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Geordie.... come back.... ;-)
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dormouse
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Jan 7 2011, 2:48pm
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I think he was being tongue in cheek
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jan 7 2011, 3:36pm
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sorry
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geordie
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Jan 7 2011, 4:10pm
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Well... goodbye geordie.
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Flagg
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Jan 7 2011, 4:28pm
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Ah, the youth of today...
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Ainu Laire
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Jan 7 2011, 4:55pm
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I'm guessing..
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Bound
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Jan 7 2011, 6:48pm
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I agree, it seemed as a strange comment to make //
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macfalk
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Jan 7 2011, 6:54pm
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Very interesting
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Flagg
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Jan 7 2011, 1:29pm
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Yes! Sam would be a better choice to flow off of tRotK
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Daeorn Aldalómë
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Jan 7 2011, 2:21pm
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Sequel? How can it be....
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dormouse
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Jan 7 2011, 2:56pm
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The impression I got
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Flagg
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Jan 7 2011, 3:07pm
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Red Book reading
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Bran
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Jan 7 2011, 5:47pm
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No conclusive reason.
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Flagg
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Jan 7 2011, 5:59pm
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No probs
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Bran
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Jan 7 2011, 6:06pm
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Agreed
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SirDennisC
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Jan 7 2011, 6:18pm
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Knowledge of the ring
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Bran
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Jan 7 2011, 6:54pm
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Yes that occured
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SirDennisC
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Jan 7 2011, 9:23pm
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Just to add -- already looking forward to
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SirDennisC
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Jan 7 2011, 9:41pm
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I think that's right
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Bran
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Jan 7 2011, 11:38pm
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Oh, well, welcome to TORn then Bran
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SirDennisC
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Jan 9 2011, 1:34am
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Hint to Bran:
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macfalk
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Jan 9 2011, 1:52am
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No-no Threaded always!
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 9 2011, 3:42am
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SirDennis, Macfalk
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Bran
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Jan 9 2011, 11:13am
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You always make good sense Flagg
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silneldor
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Jan 7 2011, 9:41pm
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Thanks, silneldor – I appreciate it. //
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Flagg
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Jan 7 2011, 9:48pm
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Sam would have been a logical choice...
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The Party Tree
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Jan 7 2011, 11:06pm
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I'm for it.
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Pipe Dream
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Jan 7 2011, 2:07pm
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" the most famousest of hobbits "
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Rivendweller
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Jan 7 2011, 4:22pm
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Could Frodo be "reading" Bilbo's story in Rivendell?
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Daeorn Aldalómë
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Jan 7 2011, 2:15pm
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The Hobbit is not a LOTR prequel, it's a sequel
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nobofthepony
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Jan 7 2011, 2:36pm
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Is it sure that Frodo will experience the story through the book?
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RaoulJ
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Jan 7 2011, 3:04pm
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Since Frodo is back, Strider should make an appearance as well. //
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SirDennisC
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Jan 7 2011, 3:13pm
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Boromir too //
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macfalk
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Jan 7 2011, 3:15pm
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I wonder how are they going to get Lurtz in there? /
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Darkstone
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Jan 7 2011, 3:18pm
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We see a flashback where Lurtz attacks Itaril... //
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acheron
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Jan 7 2011, 4:05pm
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Or maybe Lurtz *is* Itaril!
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Darkstone
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Jan 7 2011, 7:16pm
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*mods up*
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Patty
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Jan 7 2011, 7:20pm
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Haha. Good one, Darkstone //
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macfalk
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Jan 7 2011, 7:23pm
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Maybe this is where they're moving the Trolls' purse. //
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RosieLass
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Jan 7 2011, 7:28pm
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So they're making a troll's purse from an elf's ear? /
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Darkstone
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Jan 7 2011, 7:35pm
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It is a gift. //
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macfalk
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Jan 7 2011, 7:36pm
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No wonder she wouldn't take it back /
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SirDennisC
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Jan 7 2011, 10:20pm
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Boromir as the first ghost of Yules past.//
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 7 2011, 8:36pm
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Must... resist... fangirl.. urge... to agree... seriously... //
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Ainu Laire
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Jan 7 2011, 4:56pm
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Strangely absent here: "A squeee heard round the world." /
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SirDennisC
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Jan 10 2011, 5:04pm
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I knew as soon as they started announcing cameos that I'd get addicted.//
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The Party Tree
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Jan 7 2011, 6:38pm
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What I'm More Concerned About...
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DarthNeeson
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Jan 7 2011, 3:25pm
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Christopher Lee would love to play Saruman in The Hobbit
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Flagg
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Jan 7 2011, 3:33pm
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Frank Langella as Saruman....
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KingofAncients
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Jan 7 2011, 5:24pm
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It wasn't my idea
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Flagg
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Jan 7 2011, 5:32pm
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Langella
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macfalk
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Jan 7 2011, 5:35pm
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They both have played Dracula, did you know?//
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 7 2011, 11:07pm
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Did they play the same Dracula?
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Flagg
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Jan 7 2011, 11:14pm
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Lee did several Dracula & vampire films.
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 8 2011, 12:31am
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Lee as Saruman
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Bran
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Jan 7 2011, 5:50pm
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I trust Pete!
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petesimac
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Jan 7 2011, 3:36pm
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Quite Intriguing
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Lord Maegmoth
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Jan 7 2011, 4:16pm
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Agreed.
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Elentari03
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Jan 7 2011, 4:31pm
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Relieved!
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Shireling
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Jan 7 2011, 4:36pm
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GREAT
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Alex Maglor
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Jan 7 2011, 4:52pm
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Seamless transition...
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Junesong
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Jan 7 2011, 4:58pm
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I like it!!
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Daeorn Aldalómë
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Jan 7 2011, 6:01pm
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yes yes yes!
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titanium_hobbit
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Jan 9 2011, 3:26am
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Great narrating
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Mithrandír
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Jan 7 2011, 5:22pm
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without even reading ...
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xy
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Jan 7 2011, 5:22pm
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No, he was nor born
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Ainu Laire
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Jan 7 2011, 5:26pm
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As good a way as any
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DrDeath153
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Jan 7 2011, 5:52pm
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Great news if true
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LoremIpsum
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Jan 7 2011, 6:09pm
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What happens to....
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Jettorex
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Jan 7 2011, 6:30pm
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Especially since...
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Daeorn Aldalómë
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Jan 7 2011, 6:34pm
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That depends
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Flagg
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Jan 7 2011, 6:38pm
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If you ask me,
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Silverlode
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Jan 7 2011, 7:40pm
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I agree
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Jettorex
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Jan 7 2011, 8:31pm
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That would be perfect.
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The Party Tree
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Jan 7 2011, 6:44pm
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Who knows?
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dormouse
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Jan 7 2011, 7:11pm
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Me too
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Ainu Laire
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Jan 7 2011, 11:20pm
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Wonderful news!!
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peleowyn
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Jan 7 2011, 7:17pm
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Guess I'll jump in
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Doriath
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Jan 7 2011, 7:40pm
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I like the idea
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Flagg
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Jan 7 2011, 8:01pm
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Middle-earth I: The Phantom Hobbit
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 7 2011, 8:23pm
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I'm just glad they won't swap Gollum with Jar-Jar. //
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macfalk
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Jan 7 2011, 8:24pm
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You said it, Macfalk...
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Patty
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Jan 7 2011, 8:28pm
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What makes you so certain?
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 7 2011, 8:43pm
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Gandalf to Balrog: "Why do I get the feeling you will be the death of me?"//
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nobofthepony
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Jan 8 2011, 5:44am
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Drogo and Primula
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jan 7 2011, 8:56pm
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Yes it looks as if the Bridge Film is being reborn as a Wrapper for the Hobbit.
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 7 2011, 9:30pm
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I wonder how much GDT is really still involved in the script writing.
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Pipe Dream
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Jan 7 2011, 9:44pm
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The script should be very close to completion by now
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Flagg
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Jan 7 2011, 9:48pm
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Most likely true,
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Pipe Dream
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Jan 7 2011, 9:53pm
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Going out on a limb here
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SirDennisC
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Jan 7 2011, 9:55pm
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I'm not saying I mind...
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Pipe Dream
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Jan 7 2011, 10:00pm
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True dat
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SirDennisC
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Jan 7 2011, 10:17pm
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NDA?
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Bound
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Jan 7 2011, 10:18pm
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Guessing Non-disclosure agreement.
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Pipe Dream
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Jan 7 2011, 10:19pm
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ah right...
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Bound
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Jan 7 2011, 10:22pm
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Both Kangi and I take exception to that appraisal
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SirDennisC
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Jan 7 2011, 10:46pm
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Apologies...
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Bound
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Jan 7 2011, 11:01pm
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Sean Astin
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macfalk
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Jan 8 2011, 12:08am
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Wait, what?
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Ataahua
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Jan 7 2011, 11:16pm
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Yarp...
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Bound
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Jan 7 2011, 11:23pm
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Love him to pieces, but...
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The Party Tree
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Jan 7 2011, 11:32pm
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Honesty the best policy..
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Bound
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Jan 7 2011, 11:39pm
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I love Sean
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Sunflower
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Jan 7 2011, 11:56pm
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Oh no, I agree completely
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Ainu Laire
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Jan 8 2011, 3:39am
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Thanks for being understanding
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Sunflower
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Jan 8 2011, 6:19am
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Wrong target
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SirDennisC
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Jan 8 2011, 12:37am
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Oh, well,
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Ataahua
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Jan 8 2011, 2:03am
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I would beg to differ.
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 7 2011, 10:00pm
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It may have escaped my attention
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SirDennisC
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Jan 7 2011, 10:13pm
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Not necessarily so. 3-D is a big for instance.//
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 7 2011, 9:56pm
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I think this whole approach is new.
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 7 2011, 9:54pm
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Not new
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jan 7 2011, 10:10pm
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Perhaps you are correct but there is new and NEW.
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 7 2011, 10:38pm
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Bringing back cast members
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Bran
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Jan 7 2011, 11:53pm
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Except that, of all of those...
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RosieLass
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Jan 7 2011, 11:59pm
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Well yes
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Bran
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Jan 8 2011, 12:08am
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Only Balin's tomb was shown //
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macfalk
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Jan 8 2011, 12:31am
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Balin's tomb
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Bran
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Jan 8 2011, 9:31am
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The bridge film is dead.
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 8 2011, 10:32am
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I know the bridge film is dead
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Bran
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Jan 8 2011, 10:56am
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I did not say that such events would not be drug in.
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 8 2011, 11:05am
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Balin
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Bran
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Jan 8 2011, 11:13am
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The telling of the failed effort to colonize Moria by Balin & company
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 8 2011, 11:46am
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Kangi
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macfalk
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Jan 8 2011, 11:55am
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The letter I quoted in an earlier post was from the fanfic part of my brain.
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 8 2011, 12:05pm
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Balin in Moria not necessary for the Hobbit
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Bran
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Jan 8 2011, 12:01pm
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It would take one line of dialog
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 8 2011, 12:55pm
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Let's agree to differ!
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Bran
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Jan 8 2011, 1:00pm
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Bridge film is dead, but
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macfalk
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Jan 8 2011, 11:25am
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I am not trying to champion a purist approach to the Hobbit.
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 8 2011, 12:00pm
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There's an easy solution to this
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Flagg
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Jan 8 2011, 1:42pm
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I agree with that
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Bran
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Jan 8 2011, 2:08pm
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I was pointing out that many of these side issues can be taken care of inside the story of The Hobbit.
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 8 2011, 5:34pm
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Haha
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SirDennisC
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Jan 7 2011, 9:48pm
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I mentioned it, Voronwe
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Sunflower
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Jan 7 2011, 9:32pm
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With his patented weird angles and everything
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SirDennisC
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Jan 7 2011, 9:43pm
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and don't forget the slo-mo!
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Sunflower
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Jan 7 2011, 10:42pm
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Preach it sista!
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SirDennisC
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Jan 7 2011, 10:49pm
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They can do a bazillion frames a minute...
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 7 2011, 10:58pm
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So it was you huh? When was your last visit to France?
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Pipe Dream
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Jan 7 2011, 11:27pm
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Sadly, I have never been to France.
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 8 2011, 12:56am
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Are you kidding?
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Sunflower
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Jan 8 2011, 12:06am
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Not really
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SirDennisC
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Jan 8 2011, 12:41am
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Best example...
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Bound
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Jan 8 2011, 10:11am
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Guillermo's tentacles are only an ugly rumor. //
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 8 2011, 10:36am
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One thing is for certain.
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Pipe Dream
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Jan 7 2011, 10:26pm
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He's pretty savvy and/or
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SirDennisC
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Jan 7 2011, 10:38pm
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Everything is different now
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lurtz2010
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Jan 7 2011, 10:43pm
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It was at dinner at Ozzie & Harriet's house
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 7 2011, 11:03pm
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-Pretty close.
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Pipe Dream
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Jan 7 2011, 11:13pm
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torn
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carrioncrow
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Jan 7 2011, 11:21pm
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for what its worth
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carrioncrow
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Jan 8 2011, 12:03am
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This is a charming idea!
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The Party Tree
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Jan 8 2011, 12:15am
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I've always wonderd about that.
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Sunflower
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Jan 8 2011, 12:29am
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Sam inherits Bag End and stays there in the book, but they must have just abandoned that whole idea in the movie
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The Party Tree
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Jan 8 2011, 12:37am
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If so,
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Sunflower
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Jan 8 2011, 6:16am
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The couldn't have easily changed it for the EE, though.
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The Party Tree
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Jan 8 2011, 6:33am
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It seems like a deliberate change to me
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FarFromHome
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Jan 8 2011, 11:48am
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Perhaps film-Frodo liked to live alone
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Flagg
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Jan 8 2011, 1:35pm
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According to what Frodo is writing in the Red Book in those final scenes...
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The Party Tree
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Jan 8 2011, 4:11pm
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I'd forgotten that Sam becoming Mayor
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FarFromHome
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Jan 8 2011, 8:23pm
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Sam and his family were
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 9 2011, 1:25am
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If that's not Sam's own door closing
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FarFromHome
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Jan 9 2011, 10:50am
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You are free to believe what ever you want as am I.
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 9 2011, 5:20pm
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Not so much belief as a matter of perspective --
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SirDennisC
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Jan 9 2011, 6:25pm
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Why, thank you Sir Dennis
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FarFromHome
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Jan 9 2011, 9:19pm
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Bag End
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Bran
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Jan 9 2011, 7:07pm
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I think that was in Sauron Defeated
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Flagg
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Jan 9 2011, 7:21pm
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Quite possibly
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Bran
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Jan 9 2011, 7:27pm
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That was The Quest of Erebor
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Flagg
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Jan 9 2011, 7:50pm
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It's in The Return of the King
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geordie
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Jan 9 2011, 8:06pm
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Thanks
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Bran
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Jan 9 2011, 8:51pm
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Thanks geordie
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 9 2011, 10:26pm
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My pleasure -
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geordie
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Jan 9 2011, 11:11pm
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That's the book.
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FarFromHome
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Jan 9 2011, 8:56pm
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My apologies, FFH
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Bran
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Jan 9 2011, 9:02pm
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No need...
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FarFromHome
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Jan 9 2011, 9:14pm
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No argument about that.
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FarFromHome
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Jan 9 2011, 9:10pm
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So Frodo will probably end film 1
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lurtz2010
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Jan 7 2011, 11:45pm
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I certainly hope not.
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 8 2011, 6:53am
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UPDATE
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Bound
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Jan 8 2011, 10:19am
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Now we know who is replacing Bard for the killing of Smaug!
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 8 2011, 10:42am
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"Star" in the film?
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Ainu Laire
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Jan 8 2011, 6:17pm
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I think and hope
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dormouse
|
Jan 8 2011, 7:11pm
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The way it works:
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SirDennisC
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Jan 8 2011, 7:54pm
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dormouse
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macfalk
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Jan 8 2011, 8:17pm
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don't like it
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Ardamírë
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Jan 9 2011, 4:27am
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Well this changes everything
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Frodosfriend
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Jan 9 2011, 4:36am
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Call Guiness World Of Records!
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Ruijor
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Jan 9 2011, 5:33am
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Just to clarify
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duats
|
Jan 9 2011, 9:12pm
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I wanted no more LoTR tie-ins than what was absolutely necessary.
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Bran
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Jan 9 2011, 9:28pm
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Well
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duats
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Jan 9 2011, 9:51pm
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OK, I'm repeating myself, too.....
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Bran
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Jan 9 2011, 10:17pm
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Here's another question
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duats
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Jan 9 2011, 10:30pm
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I don't know how those things work
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Bran
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Jan 10 2011, 12:10am
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I raised the same question earlier
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Flagg
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Jan 10 2011, 3:51pm
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I suppose the question is........
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dormouse
|
Jan 10 2011, 4:16pm
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Maybe nobody knows
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Junesong
|
Jan 10 2011, 4:40pm
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Agreed...
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Bound
|
Jan 10 2011, 4:46pm
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I think it's safe to assume Bilbo knew about Dol Guldur, etc.
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Altaira
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Jan 10 2011, 6:11pm
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I very much agree with that altaira
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Bran
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Jan 10 2011, 6:39pm
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He did, to an extent
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duats
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Jan 10 2011, 11:10pm
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Artistic licence
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Flagg
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Jan 11 2011, 10:27pm
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Gandalf's report
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 12 2011, 11:13pm
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This could work really well.
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Bregolas
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Jan 13 2011, 10:54pm
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Regarding Balin
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duats
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Jan 9 2011, 10:41pm
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Whilst I don't think it is necessary
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Bran
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Jan 10 2011, 12:12am
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It appears that the only non-essential things that might be included in these two films
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 9 2011, 10:54pm
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As I said earlier Kangi
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Bran
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Jan 10 2011, 12:13am
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Just Say Nay!
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 9 2011, 10:45pm
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'Just say Nay'
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geordie
|
Jan 9 2011, 11:14pm
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Speculation is not fact
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shadowdog
|
Jan 10 2011, 1:56am
|
right on
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Ardamírë
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Jan 10 2011, 11:20pm
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As long as the opening is set during "The Hobbit" timeline
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Pete
|
Jan 10 2011, 5:35am
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Posted by Jettorex: CNN.com quoting EW on Elijah Wood appearing in The Hobbit...
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Altaira
|
Jan 10 2011, 10:14pm
|
And add to that....
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dormouse
|
Jan 10 2011, 11:12pm
|
Questions. Questions???
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Jettorex
|
Jan 11 2011, 3:18pm
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WAHOOOO!!!!! :D
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grammaboodawg
|
Jan 11 2011, 9:53am
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After a little thought, in the "it's good" camp
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Tim
|
Jan 11 2011, 2:12pm
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Skeptical...
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meltsar
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Jan 14 2011, 1:06am
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