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Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Aug 23, 12:18am


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I come bearing gifts

No, not lElven cloaks, a phial full of light, or even a plain gold ring. I think it's something much better. Heart

First, Calisuri made some tweaks to the ad scripts last weekend, and all of you should have noticed the boards loading much faster on all your various devices. Yay, Calisuri!

Second, (and please make sure you're sitting down), I have all of the posts from all of the boards from the old TORn site. I'll let you read that sentence a few times to let it sink in. Laugh

Yes, I have them all, thanks to Corvar. Don't be too quick to thank him or me though. Honestly, it's been a long slog of going down wrong paths, procrastination on his part, procrastination on my part, forgetfulness on both our parts, unanswered emails, following links that only led back to the new boards, etc., etc. For my part in it taking so long, I apologize profusely.

The good news, at long last, is we have them *and* it isn't going to take too long to clean them up to the point we can finally start deciding what their final form will look like, where their final home will be, and getting them there!!

After spending a few hours with the files, a few things I identified:

1) they're in the format of 'flat' text files in chronological order from the first post on each board to the 2nd, etc., etc.

2) there's one file for each year except for 2007, the year we set up the new boards; those files are by day.

3) the Reading Room was set up in April of 2000. For some reason, all the posts from June 1 to December 31 of 2000 are missing. I've asked Corvar about it but from comments in old threads on our current Feedback board about not being able to access them, I think they're gone for good.

4) each post has a numerical post identifier and a numerical root post identifier, if applicable, so it's possible to tell whether a post started a thread, was a reply within a thread and, if so, which post it was a reply to.

5) it looks like deleted posts are not in the files judging by doing a search on 4-letter words and finding only one or two that must have been posted when all the Admins were asleep, or fell off the board before we could get to them. Thinking back to some of our heated discussions, infamous trolls, etc., I'm positive we deleted a TON more than 2 or 3 4-letter words. Laugh

6) In a matter of an hour, I was able to open the RR file for the year 2000 in Excel, study the formatting, add a numerical identifier for each of the 40,000+ lines, sort them alphabetically, remove all the sensitive information such as email addys and IP addresses, then sort them back into the correct order. After checking the integrity of the data after I'd done that, I think by the end of next weekend I should be able to have all the sensitive data cleared out of the RR files, ready for someone (or someones) to work on. (It would be sooner, but I actually have to work the beginning of this week!). I do want to take my time and do it carefully. The 40,000+ line RR file I already worked on was one of the smallest files by far.

If you'd like to take a look, I'm happy to provide the example I have so far (4/1/00 to 5/31/00 for the RR) if you PM me or email me at altaira@theonering.net and let me know what email to send it to. The text file is a relatively small 2Mb. However, I think a leader and/or team should be identified who eventually get all the the files/posts to work on, and divvy out assignments as needed. I know Notta Sackville has offered to work on them. Not sure of his availability, but all hands are welcome if needed. Honestly, they look much better than I imagined, so I don't *think* it's going to be as horrible as many of us thought. Once we finish with the RR, we can move on to other boards, if desired. I'll clean those up eventually too just in case.

Regarding a home, TORn is a possibility as is the Mathom-house site which I took over from Magpie and now own. However, I think that's a ways down the road.

So, if I may, WooooooooooooooHoooooooooooooooooo! CoolLaughLaugh

Here's a bit of trivia I gleaned from looking through the files:

1) First posts on each board were always welcome posts by either Corvar or Calisuri.

2) Here's the order each board was created in:

Sun, June 13, 1999:
- LOTR Casting Rumors
- LOTR Music
- Main

Sun, July 18, 1999
- Site Feedback
- Gaming
- The Arena

Wed, April 5, 2000
- Reading Room

Tue, July 4, 2000
- Movie Discussion (the old Casting Rumors and Music boards were archived at this time)


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"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase





(This post was edited by Altaira on Aug 23, 12:40am)


Lily Fairbairn
Half-elven


Aug 23, 4:21pm


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Oh wow! Well done! //

 

Where now the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing?
Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing?
Where is the hand on the harpstring, and the red fire glowing?
Where is the spring and the harvest and the tall corn growing?
They have passed like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow;
The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow....


N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Aug 23, 10:55pm


Views: 884
Wondeful news!

Thank you so much for keeping at this! I'm sure it's been a long five years of other projects that had to be tackled first: like Niggle, never able to get back to the painting. I'm finding it hard to express how much this news means to me. And I look forward to assisting in any way I can.

For me, the Reading Room definitely would be highest on the list for recovery, but I would also push hard to save everything possible from the old Movie board (which included much of the best commentary on the movies in any form: there have been whole books published in the past decade that fell short of the work done on Movie), and more than a little from the old Main forum: not every Fiesta, perhaps, or, say, every Estrogen Island, but that board was often the source of some real gems relevant to either the books or the movies or both, and I am willing to put a lot of time and effort into curating a "best of" selection that can live in the archived location you describe.

Congratulations on this achievement!


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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Aug 24, 1:27pm


Views: 866
WOOHOO!!! *hand shoots up after geeky hand clapping!* :D

THIS IS AWESOME NEWS! Bless you all!!!!!

Thank you so much for hanging in there, Altaira! This is incredible :D

Count me in! This is thrilling!!!!! I'd definitely love to see as many of the boards/rooms recovered as possible. I know I was rarely in the Reading Room *hangs head*, so the other boards like Main and Movie would be so wonderful to visit again!

THANK YOU! THANK YOU!



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grammaboodawg
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Aug 24, 1:32pm


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*High Five!* :D

So many treasures coming our way!!! Re-visiting so many we've missed for so long.



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Ataahua
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Aug 24, 9:03pm


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Objection, your honour!


In Reply To
not every Fiesta, perhaps, or, say, every Estrogen Island


Those threads were great for community-building and they'll feature a great many old nicks that aren't on the boards anymore. I'd like to see them all captured for posterity.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Aug 25, 3:10am


Views: 848
Thanks for the feedback so far!

...feedback both in this thread and via PM/email.

It occurred to me that by the time I get done scrubbing out the sensitive data, we'd have perfectly searchable text files we could host somewhere that would require little to no extra work (formatting, etc). If we do want to try to eventually get them back to their original 'threaded' format, it will possibly require some programming skill, web/cloud software and a place to host. For now, I think, that can wait until we have a chance to look at the files and absorb what's in them and how they're formatted.

Still - exciting times!!!SmileHeart


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squire
Half-elven


Aug 25, 3:15pm


Views: 841
How thrilling!

In a kind of musty, archival way, of course. (Right up my alley).

Thank you so much, Altaira and the rest of the TORn tech staff, for moving forward on this. Please let us know how we can help, and what the final vision is for the result.



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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Aug 25, 8:23pm


Views: 828
Great news!

I'm a bit surprised, though, that you made the announcement in Feedback and not in Main.

#FidelityToTolkien
#ChallengeExpectations


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Aug 25, 9:04pm


Views: 829
Well done!

I do like what youíd done with the place recently, but this latest news is beyond incredible! Thank you so much!


ElanorTX
Grey Havens


Aug 26, 7:19am


Views: 813
We're deeply in your debt!


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Regarding a home, TORn is a possibility as is the Mathom-house site which I took over from Magpie and now own.


I'd like to see the home on TORn because I think newbies would have a greater chance of finding and benefitting from the old boards.

"I shall not wholly fail if anything can still grow fair in days to come."



grammaboodawg
Immortal


Aug 27, 1:08pm


Views: 781
Excellent!! :D


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...look at the files and absorb what's in them and how they're formatted.


So Great what's been accomplished already! :D We will learn more about how much or what can be done once we get in there and begin the project. Ideally, it would be wonderful to have them housed here on TORn so they may (possibly) be searchable with the rest of the site. BUT knowing we can access the posts at all is so much more than we hoped for.


This really is so exciting! I love TORn's "CAN DO" spirit and how much we accomplish when we work together :)

Thanks so much Altaira and everyone working on getting this healed and off the ground :D



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Tol Eressea


Aug 27, 6:31pm


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That is wonderful news!

My non-techy brain cannot imagine how complicated it must be, and what a huge project, to make them accessible again. I bow in awe at the expertise of all involved! However it does hold out a hope that I might finally be able to discover when I joined the boards; I can't remember but I think it was 2002 sometime, which means it's coming up for twenty years ago.


AlassŽa Eruvande
Valinor


Aug 31, 2:30am


Views: 710
I pop in at a random moment to discover this wonderful news!

Well done, Altaira and Calisuri! The technodoofus in me is seriously impressed!

And a vote for the Arena to be restored, whenever you get around to it. I spent a lot of time there when I was too shy to venture onto the other boards. There were some great battles!
Thanks again! Heart



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Ataahua
Forum Admin / Moderator


Aug 31, 3:27am


Views: 697
Oh wow, the Arena - that brings back memories. :) /

 

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Ethel Duath
Half-elven


Sep 1, 12:05am


Views: 683
I knew it! Just from your subject line!

Thank you, thank you, thank you and Corvar! Can't wait! I can almost feel the juice running down my chin . . .

Oh, and somebody will tell Magpie? Smile

Thanks to Calisuri as well!

Hip, Hip, Hurray!



Ethel Duath
Half-elven


Sep 1, 12:06am


Views: 682
I absolutely agree with this:

" . . . which included much of the best commentary on the movies in any form: there have been whole books published in the past decade that fell short of the work done on Movie."



Ethel Duath
Half-elven


Sep 1, 12:08am


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*Joins hands with Grandma and dances

round a virtual Maypole.* Laugh



NottaSackville
Tol Eressea

Sep 1, 2:08pm


Views: 654
*waves* //

 

Happiness: money matters, but less than we think and not in the way that we think. Family is important and so are friends, while envy is toxic -- and so is excessive thinking. Beaches are optional. Trust is not. Neither is gratitude. - The Geography of Bliss by Eric Weiner as summarized by Lily Fairbairn. And a bit of the Hobbit reading thrown in never hurts. - NottaSackville


NottaSackville
Tol Eressea

Sep 1, 2:20pm


Views: 661
Oh, I am SO in on this!

Sorry for my late reply, wish I was around for the initial excitement. I'm not too sorry, since my week+ absence was due to vacation, but still.

Anyway, my offer to help in whatever way I can is still definitely on the table (despite Gramma probably dancing the Springle-ring on said table....).

Based on what you've said, I'm confident I can write somethat that automates reading the files (stripping out data we don't want to include), and writing new files in whatever format we want (flat text, linked web pages for each post, etc.)

The real question is going to be what format do we actually want the files in?

My web expertise is dated somewhere around 1999, so I'm a *bit* behind, but I'll bravely say that even that ought to be enough to create something that looks like:

An entry page for the room that links all top-level posts
The page for a top-level post shows threaded links to all posts in that discussion
Each post page shows the post, some info about the post, and hopefully includes the threaded links for that discussion as well.

So basically similar to what the old rooms were.

I just throw that out there as a starting point for the discussion.

Altaira - I'll send you my e-mail, maybe we can exchange a sample file, and use the Mathom house as temporary storage to post possible examples and let people try out/comment on the format?

Happiness: money matters, but less than we think and not in the way that we think. Family is important and so are friends, while envy is toxic -- and so is excessive thinking. Beaches are optional. Trust is not. Neither is gratitude. - The Geography of Bliss by Eric Weiner as summarized by Lily Fairbairn. And a bit of the Hobbit reading thrown in never hurts. - NottaSackville


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Sep 2, 1:39am


Views: 662
Now this is a femine board, again, truly -

So nice to see you AE!


sevilodorf
Tol Eressea

Sep 2, 2:32am


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So late to respond but Thank all the moderators and PTB

for all that they do to support this Fellowship.

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Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Sep 3, 5:56pm


Views: 636
Update

Greetings, everyone. I wanted to give you a quick update on the progress.

Corvar sent me more files in an effort to see if the missing RR posts were in them, but they weren't.

In the meantime, concerning the very first RR discussion of LOTR, N.E. Brigand worked out that between a TORn 10th anniversay mathom posted by Inferno, and the fact that the 1st discussion started on Main before the RR was created, we can probably at least recreate that entire first discussion even though the last 1/2 of the year 2000 is missing from the data files.

I sent Notta a copy of the RR file I cleaned up for the year 2000. I was diverted this week by looking at the additional files Corvar sent, plus getting ready for new carpet next week (at our house, not in the RR, lol), but should have all the RR files cleaned of confidential info by the end of the long weekend.

Over the weekend, I'll also look more into hosting the recreated files somewhere on the Mathom-house site, and also email Corvar about the possibility of housing in on TORn.

So, progress is being made! Smile


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NottaSackville
Tol Eressea

Sep 3, 6:39pm


Views: 631
Update on the update

I have indeed received the file, and it looks like the format is clean and easy to deal with.

No guarantees, but I'll try to take a look this weekend to see if a very first rudimentary attempt can be made at converting that text file to a series of webpages. If not this weekend, I'll try to get to it soon.

I know we're all eager to see what gets uncovered! To quote part of my first response to Altaira:


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I was just scrolling through to get an idea of formats, etc, and I found myself lost in some interesting post about why Aragorn carried around the shards of Narsil in the wild. Looked at the poster....Blue Wizard, of course!


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Ethel Duath
Half-elven


Sep 4, 4:41pm


Views: 609
Carpet the Reading room anyway.

It should help with the acoustics . . .

We're getting new carpeting next week too! I'm so excited.



NottaSackville
Tol Eressea

Sep 5, 12:52am


Views: 1704
Did people write secret messages on the old boards in white?

As I parse through the text file from the reading room, I'm noticing something odd. A very small percent of the messages have a bit of extra text that is not associated with the block of text that is the body of the message.

Interestingly, these always have the text color set to white, which was also the background for messages on the old board.

So was there a mechanism for writing secret "invisible" messages on the old boards?

Happiness: money matters, but less than we think and not in the way that we think. Family is important and so are friends, while envy is toxic -- and so is excessive thinking. Beaches are optional. Trust is not. Neither is gratitude. - The Geography of Bliss by Eric Weiner as summarized by Lily Fairbairn. And a bit of the Hobbit reading thrown in never hurts. - NottaSackville


NottaSackville
Tol Eressea

Sep 5, 4:17am


Views: 1703
I think that we may have lost reply to information

As Altaira said, each message has a link to its root post, so we know what thread it belongs in.

However, the root post for every message in the thread is the first post in that thread, not the post it was in reply to. So every thread looks like an initial post followed by a bunch of replies to that initial post.

So instead of:

Initial post
----That's interesting
--------No it isn't
------------Yes it is and you are stoopid
----------------I'm telling Feedback on you
----I've already posted on this
----Shouldn't this have been on Movie?

We get:

Initial Post
----That's interesting
----No it isn't
----I've already posted on this
----Yes it is and you are stoopid
----Shouldn't this have been on movie?
----I'm telling Feedback on you

At the moment I'm not seeing a way to order the posts properly. Maybe that information can still be pulled out in some way?

Notta

Happiness: money matters, but less than we think and not in the way that we think. Family is important and so are friends, while envy is toxic -- and so is excessive thinking. Beaches are optional. Trust is not. Neither is gratitude. - The Geography of Bliss by Eric Weiner as summarized by Lily Fairbairn. And a bit of the Hobbit reading thrown in never hurts. - NottaSackville


(This post was edited by NottaSackville on Sep 5, 4:18am)


Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Sep 5, 6:49pm


Views: 1694
Spoilers

I remember we used to write spoilers in white, or answers to quizzes, though I don't remember them being used a lot in the RR. Maybe a post where the poster didn't want to give away the outcome for some reason?


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Ataahua
Forum Admin / Moderator


Sep 5, 7:58pm


Views: 1687
Oh gosh, I had forgotten that.

Yes, sometimes text was whited out to give people the choice of whether to read it or not. When we moved to NewTorn it continued for a little while, with posters picking greys to match the background, but I don't think that lasted long.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Sep 6, 1:18pm


Views: 1671
I'd been thinking about that.

In addition to quiz spoilers, it was also the only sort of private messaging we had. Not totally private, of course, but not so obvious to the more casual users and lurkers. We still might not want everything visible to the general public. Even some of the open discussion that wouldn't be permitted anymore on the new boards might be better off scrubbed.

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N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Sep 7, 1:34am


Views: 1667
I noticed that too.

Even if there's no easy way to fix it, better to have threads whose contents are out of order than no threads at all. But it would be nice to fix.

For some Reading Room threads -- those whose post subject lines were saved by hatster's archive (mid-2002 to mid-2004), those with the thread structure likewise preserved in squire's Footerama discussion archive, and some others that people captured (I probably have a couple hundred such)-- it would be possible with some time and effort to reorganize the posts into the right order. I see that as a later goal, unless something else turns up in the files.

Outside of the Reading Room, the percentage of threads whose structure was saved will be much lower.

Do the timestamps at least make it possible to put the replies in the order of posting? As I recall, a decade ago, I found all the Reading Room threads in 2001 and early 2002 by doing a slow trial and error search, playing with timestamps and post numbers to populate a rather large spreadsheet. But I was just trying to save each thread root post's URL (which is no longer of any value) not the thread structure.


Treachery, treachery I fear; treachery of that miserable creature.

But so it must be. Let us remember that a traitor may betray himself and do good that he does not intend.


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How to find old Reading Room discussions.


NottaSackville
Tol Eressea

Sep 7, 2:31am


Views: 1662
Yes, the timestamps are useful

I'm using the timestamps to order the posts within the thread. Each post also has a time zone associated with it. I'm uncertain if the timestamps are all for the same time zone and the time zone is just there as a bit of extra data, or if the timestamp is for that time zone and needs to be translated to a consistent time zone in order to get the posts in the proper order.

For now, I've gone with just the raw timestamp to order the posts and ignored the time zone. It would not be hard to change of we figure out that the time zone is important.

I wrote the logic for fully threaded replies into my conversion script, so if someone ever wants to edit the text files to include the reply to information for some threads it would be easy to regenerate the webpages.

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NottaSackville
Tol Eressea

Sep 7, 12:39pm


Views: 1649
I did notice some now-banned slang from a venerable board poster :) //

 

Happiness: money matters, but less than we think and not in the way that we think. Family is important and so are friends, while envy is toxic -- and so is excessive thinking. Beaches are optional. Trust is not. Neither is gratitude. - The Geography of Bliss by Eric Weiner as summarized by Lily Fairbairn. And a bit of the Hobbit reading thrown in never hurts. - NottaSackville


NottaSackville
Tol Eressea

Sep 7, 12:44pm


Views: 1654
OK, thanks.

For now I've just included the text (white font and all) in the message body as it was done before.

I haven't noticed anything particularly personal or secret about any of the white messages, but there were just a few so far and this was the early days of the Reading Room (and board in general).

It's a little weird to me that the database stored the messages in a different field than the actual body of the message, implying there was something functionally different about them. But that's probably a mystery of the inner-workings of the old board software that's not too important.

Notta

Happiness: money matters, but less than we think and not in the way that we think. Family is important and so are friends, while envy is toxic -- and so is excessive thinking. Beaches are optional. Trust is not. Neither is gratitude. - The Geography of Bliss by Eric Weiner as summarized by Lily Fairbairn. And a bit of the Hobbit reading thrown in never hurts. - NottaSackville


NottaSackville
Tol Eressea

Sep 7, 1:08pm


Views: 1671
Just to tease you....

Here's a preview of what the posts currently look like.

We need to still test things out on a webserver, and then people can try it out and comment/criticize/suggest.

(Feel free to do so based just on these images as well)

Individual posts


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Happiness: money matters, but less than we think and not in the way that we think. Family is important and so are friends, while envy is toxic -- and so is excessive thinking. Beaches are optional. Trust is not. Neither is gratitude. - The Geography of Bliss by Eric Weiner as summarized by Lily Fairbairn. And a bit of the Hobbit reading thrown in never hurts. - NottaSackville


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Sep 8, 1:39am


Views: 1660
Well, in the very early days

we didn't have moderation, things either being dealt with by the voter-moderation-threshold feature, the Ignore List, or in dire cases, by one of the PTB just coming in and deleting whole threads at one fell swoop. It was more or less the wild west. Then, after the Forum Admin status had been created (just post-FOTR, IIRC), the rules gradually evolved over years to deal with the various issues that arose out of a much larger and more anonymous group. I don't think it's worthwhile to try to edit the old boards to fit the current state of affairs. It was a different time, and it was what it was. If we need to, we can put a general warning when entering the Realm of the Old Boards that "here be dragons".

Silverlode

Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.




(This post was edited by Silverlode on Sep 8, 5:36am)


NottaSackville
Tol Eressea

Sep 8, 2:12pm


Views: 1630
I do like dragons!

And I have no interest in checking general content for editing.

But if TORN has a list of slang words that aren't allowed it would be trivial to c*ns*r them as I convert the text file to web pages.

Notta

Happiness: money matters, but less than we think and not in the way that we think. Family is important and so are friends, while envy is toxic -- and so is excessive thinking. Beaches are optional. Trust is not. Neither is gratitude. - The Geography of Bliss by Eric Weiner as summarized by Lily Fairbairn. And a bit of the Hobbit reading thrown in never hurts. - NottaSackville


Ataahua
Forum Admin / Moderator


Sep 8, 8:00pm


Views: 1630
For what it's worth, my preference is to keep the text as-is.

The old boards are a moment in time. Having the discussions unaltered means the mathom will be a pure example of early online Tolkien fandom - warts and all.

Silver: my recollection is that admins were created in January 2002, just weeks after FOTR was released.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


Fantasy novel - The Arcanist's Tattoo

My LOTR fan-fiction


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Sep 8, 8:37pm


Views: 1623
Thanks, that sounds right.

I didn't become an Admin until later, but my memory was that it was the massive FOTR influx that made it urgently necessary to have a dedicated group of moderators. I remember being very grateful for it, as the previous hands-off approach was completely unsustainable with the newfound mainstream attention.

Silverlode

Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.




Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Sep 16, 10:23pm


Views: 1402
Oh, wow! This is fabulous!

Wow, Notta. That looks amazing. Well done!

I've been M.I.A. due to all the home projects we have going on plus a request for some additional work from a former client. The dust should start settling after tomorrow when I'll be back on this. Thanks so much for your work so far. It's going to be so satisfying to be able to find and access all those old posts again.


Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.



"Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower

"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase





grammaboodawg
Immortal


Sep 17, 12:44pm


Views: 1372
*geeky hand-clapping*

There's no place like home!!! THANK YOU!!!! :D



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We have been there and back again.


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NottaSackville
Tol Eressea

Sep 17, 2:41pm


Views: 1369
No problem, and thank you!

I hope all the dust settles in a way that's easy to vacuum off the new carpet!

Happy to help with whatever needs to be done to modify things to work on the server when you get a chance to try it out.

Happiness: money matters, but less than we think and not in the way that we think. Family is important and so are friends, while envy is toxic -- and so is excessive thinking. Beaches are optional. Trust is not. Neither is gratitude. - The Geography of Bliss by Eric Weiner as summarized by Lily Fairbairn. And a bit of the Hobbit reading thrown in never hurts. - NottaSackville


AlassŽa Eruvande
Valinor


Sep 18, 10:26pm


Views: 1329
Bro! //

 



I am SMAUG! I kill when I wish! I am strong, strong, STRONG!
My armor is like tenfold shields! My teeth like swords! My claws, spears!
The shock of my tail, a thunderbolt! My wings, a hurricane! And my breath, death!


AlassŽa Eruvande
Valinor


Sep 18, 10:27pm


Views: 1342
*blink-blink-blink*

That's me batting my eyelashes in a femine way.

Or maybe it's just dust. Tongue
Nice to see you too!



I am SMAUG! I kill when I wish! I am strong, strong, STRONG!
My armor is like tenfold shields! My teeth like swords! My claws, spears!
The shock of my tail, a thunderbolt! My wings, a hurricane! And my breath, death!


AlassŽa Eruvande
Valinor


Sep 19, 12:35am


Views: 1335
It was a lot of fun!

I remember especially the ridiculously complicated, multi-layered battles invented for our amusement by Finrod Felagund 5 as well as Man of Rohan. Good times!



I am SMAUG! I kill when I wish! I am strong, strong, STRONG!
My armor is like tenfold shields! My teeth like swords! My claws, spears!
The shock of my tail, a thunderbolt! My wings, a hurricane! And my breath, death!


skyofcoffeebeans
Lorien

Sep 29, 1:27am


Views: 1122
This is amazing

So glad to see it when we can preserve culture and memory. Will no doubt have fun reading ancient texts when theyíre accessible again!