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''Precursor''?!



Paulo Gabriel
Lorien

May 25 2021, 11:35am


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''Precursor''?!

I am from Brazil, so I came across this Brazilian podcast, which had the following headline:

''Which is the best movie trilogy? The precursor to Tolkien's universe or the saga which introduced us to the story of Bilbo? Which do you think it's the best? Share with us, after listening to another episode of our beloved SBN [podcast]''.

Translated from:

https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/sbn-podcast/48-duelo-de-sagas-o-hobbit-x-6QhD7pvSCIT/

That headline has left me confused. Would it be correct to state that LOTR is the ''precursor to Tolkien's universe''? A phrase like ''the pioneer trilogy of Tolkien's universe'' would not be better?

Do you also think that this text is confusing?


(This post was edited by Paulo Gabriel on May 25 2021, 11:41am)


Hasuwandil
Lorien


May 25 2021, 1:33pm


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Forerunner

Arguably, "the saga which introduced us to the story of Bilbo" could be the LOTR trilogy, as we are introduced to Bilbo and how he found the Ring in that trilogy. But if they mean something like "the first adaptation of The Hobbit any of us saw", then obviously they must be referring to the Rankin/Bass television special. I don't know what "the precursor to Tolkien's universe" could mean. Naffarin? The Voyage of …arendel the Evening Star? That would be kind of apt.

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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


May 25 2021, 2:08pm


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Bad Phraseology

If we truly want to identify a precursor to Tolkien's Middle-earth then we might want to look at something like his translation of "Beowulf" or other literary works that inspired him.

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Paulo Gabriel
Lorien

May 27 2021, 1:54am


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LOTR vs. Hobbit.


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Arguably, "the saga which introduced us to the story of Bilbo" could be the LOTR trilogy, as we are introduced to Bilbo and how he found the Ring in that trilogy.


You mean that it's in LOTR that we find out how Bilbo found the ring? As I recall, this is told in ''flashback'' at the Council. But in ''The Hobbit'' we see the event first-hand. So how can we have seen that in LOTR first?


Paulo Gabriel
Lorien

Jun 1 2021, 1:32pm


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But isn't the post talking about the movies?


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If we truly want to identify a precursor to Tolkien's Middle-earth then we might want to look at something like his translation of "Beowulf" or other literary works that inspired him.


There was no mention of ''literary works'' anywhere. Wouldn't that be the point?


(This post was edited by Paulo Gabriel on Jun 1 2021, 1:33pm)


Otaku-sempai
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Jun 1 2021, 2:35pm


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Point Taken!


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If we truly want to identify a precursor to Tolkien's Middle-earth then we might want to look at something like his translation of "Beowulf" or other literary works that inspired him.


There was no mention of ''literary works'' anywhere. Wouldn't that be the point?


You're right, but that makes the question as phrased even worse, even nonsensical: ''Which is the best movie trilogy? The precursor to Tolkien's universe or the saga which introduced us to the story of Bilbo?"

precursor n. Somebody or something that comes before, and is often considered to lead to the development of another person or thing.

What movie trilogy could be called a precursor to the Peter Jackson films?

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Paulo Gabriel
Lorien

Jun 10 2021, 10:23am


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OK...


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If we truly want to identify a precursor to Tolkien's Middle-earth then we might want to look at something like his translation of "Beowulf" or other literary works that inspired him.


There was no mention of ''literary works'' anywhere. Wouldn't that be the point?


You're right, but that makes the question as phrased even worse, even nonsensical: ''Which is the best movie trilogy? The precursor to Tolkien's universe or the saga which introduced us to the story of Bilbo?"

precursor n. Somebody or something that comes before, and is often considered to lead to the development of another person or thing.

What movie trilogy could be called a precursor to the Peter Jackson films?


Do you also agree that the question is confusing in the sense that, even if ''precursor to Tolkien's universe'' is referring to LOTR, chronologically speaking, in-universe, that would be wrong since The Hobbit is prior to LOTR (in the story sense)?

Or that stretching it too much?


Otaku-sempai
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Jun 10 2021, 1:07pm


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Wrong on more than one level.


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Do you also agree that the question is confusing in the sense that, even if ''precursor to Tolkien's universe'' is referring to LOTR, chronologically speaking, in-universe, that would be wrong since The Hobbit is prior to LOTR (in the story sense)?

Or that stretching it too much?


Yes, that. But also because both The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit are part of Tolkien's sub-creation. A precursor would necessarily have to appear before the creation of Tolkien's fictional universe.

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Paulo Gabriel
Lorien

Jun 13 2021, 7:23am


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Thanks for answering all my questions.

So, indeed, I think we can all agree that the headline's author should have phrased what he wanted in a different way.


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Jun 13 2021, 2:43pm


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Unless...


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So, indeed, I think we can all agree that the headline's author should have phrased what he wanted in a different way.


Might the problem not be with the original text, but with the translation?

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Paulo Gabriel
Lorien

Jun 18 2021, 1:02pm


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Well...

the link to the original is in the OP, in case anybody wants to check for themselves.