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grammaboodawg
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Dec 1 2019, 2:13pm


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It's time for some BS!

Here are a couple of Book Spoilers that sum up the Bagginsesessss' Quests... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From The Silmarillion: Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age


..."...For, as many songs have since sung, it was the Periannath, the Little People, dwellers in hillsides and meadows, that brought them deliverance.
...For Frodo the Halfling, it is said, at the bidding of Mithrandir took on himself the burden, and alone with his servant he passed through peril and darkness and came at last in Sauron's despite even to Mount Doom; and there into the Fire where it was wrought he cast the Great Ring of Power, and so at last it was unmade and its evil consumed."

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From Of the Finding of the Ring: The Fellowship of the Ring: Prologue


..."As is told in The Hobbit, there came one day to Bilbo's door and the great Wizard, Gandalf the Grey, and thirteen dwarves with him... ...Thorin Oakenshield, descendant of kings, and his twelve companions in exile. With them he set out, to his own lasting astonishment, on a morning of April... ...on a quest of great treasure, the dwarf-hoards of the Kings under the Mountain, beneath Erebor in Dale, far off in the East. The quest was successful, and the Dragon that guarded the hoard was destroyed. Yet, though before all was won the Battle of Five Armies was fought, and Thorin was slain, and many deeds of renown were done, the matter would scarcely have concerned later history... ...but for an 'accident' by the way. The party was assailed by Orcs in a high pass of the Misty Mountains as they went towards Wilderland; and so it happened that Bilbo was lost for a while in the black orc-mines deep under the mountains, and there, as he groped in vain in the dark, he put his hand on a ring, lying on the floor of a tunnel. He put it in his pocket. It seemed then like mere luck.
...Trying to find his way out, Bilbo went on down to the roots of the mountains, until he could go no further. At the bottom of the tunnel lay a cold lake far from the light, and on an island of rock in the water lived Gollum.... ...He possessed a secret treasure that had come to him long ages ago, when he lived still in the light: a ring of gold that made its wearer invisible. It was the one thing he loved, his 'precious', and he talked to it, even when it was not with him... ....For he kept it hidden safe in a hole on his island, except when he was hunting or spying on the orcs of the mines....
......[After escaping and reuniting with his companions, Bilbo's] account was that Gollum had promised to give him a present, if he won the game; but when Gollum went to fetch it from his island he found the treasure was gone: a magic ring, which had been given to him long ago on his birthday. Bilbo guessed that this was the very ring that he had found, and as he had won the game, it was already his by right. But being in a tight place, he said nothing about it, and made Gollum show him the way out, as a reward instead of a present. This account Bilbo set down in his memoirs...."



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CuriousG
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Dec 1 2019, 3:08pm


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So if anyone is ever daunted by the sheer size of the 3-volume LOTR,

here's all you need to know:

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For Frodo the Halfling, it is said, at the bidding of Mithrandir took on himself the burden, and alone with his servant he passed through peril and darkness and came at last in Sauron's despite even to Mount Doom; and there into the Fire where it was wrought he cast the Great Ring of Power, and so at last it was unmade and its evil consumed.

There, I just saved you hours of wasted reading time. You're welcome. Smile


Cirashala
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Dec 1 2019, 9:22pm


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HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

ha-cough cough hack I'm dying...don't make me laugh I'm still sick with the flu...oh that was funny! Laugh

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CuriousG
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Dec 1 2019, 9:34pm


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Hope you feel better soon!

Oh, and I just saved you from wasting 9+ hours watching those overstuffed Peter Jackson LOTR movies too. It frees up more time for quality shows, like re-runs of Gilligan's Island.


Cirashala
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Dec 1 2019, 9:37pm


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You, my good sir, are quite mistaken

Gilligan's Island is utterly marvelous! Tongue

My writing and novels:

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My historical novel print and kindle version

My historical novels ebook version compatible with all ereaders

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dernwyn
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Dec 2 2019, 3:05am


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History re-written, and by the Elves, no less!

"...and there into the Fire where it was wrought he cast the Great Ring of Power..."- NOT!

It was Gollum who fell into the Fire with the Ring - Frodo did not cast it in, in fact, he refused to cast it in.

Do we know who the supposed "author" of this simplified version of Middle-earth Third Age history was? Besides being an admirer of a certain heroic Halfling?


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"I desired dragons with a profound desire"


grammaboodawg
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Dec 2 2019, 10:42am


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It's time for some BS!

It's part 1 of a 4-part Book Spoiler that looks at one of Frodo's dreadful choices... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From The Black Gate is Closed: The Two Towers


..."Its name was Cirith Ungol, a name of dreadful rumour. Aragorn could perhaps have told them that name and its significance; Gandalf would have warned them. But they were alone, and Aragorn was far away, and Gandalf stood amid the ruin of Isengard and strove with Saruman... ...Yet even as he spoke his last words to Saruman, and the Palantír crashed in fire upon the steps of Orthanc, his thought was ever upon Frodo and Samwise, over the long leagues his mind sought for them in hope and pity.
...Maybe Frodo felt it, not knowing it, as he had upon Amon Hen, even though he believed that Gandalf was... ...gone forever into the shadow in Moria far away. He sat upon the ground for a long while, silent, his head bowed, striving to recall all that Gandalf had said to him. But for this choice he could recall no counsel... ...Gandalf's guidance had been taken from them too soon... ...How they should enter it at the last Gandalf had not said. Perhaps he could not say. Into the stronghold of the Enemy in the North, into Dol Guldur, he had once ventured. But into Mordor, to the Mountains of Fire and to Barad-dûr, since the Dark Lord rose in power again, had he ever journeyed there? Frodo did not think so... ...here he was a little halfling from the Shire, a simple hobbit of the quiet countryside, expected to find a way where the great ones could not go, or dared not go. It was an evil fate. But he had taken it on himself in his own sitting-room in the far-off spring of another year, so remote now that it was like a chapter in a story of the world's youth, when the Trees of Silver and Gold were still in bloom... ...Which way should he choose? And if both led to terror and death, what good lay in choice?"



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CuriousG
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Dec 2 2019, 3:54pm


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This is enough to make we want to turn around and go home


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Which way should he choose? And if both led to terror and death, what good lay in choice?



grammaboodawg
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Dec 4 2019, 12:24am


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D'uh! Me too!

But I think this is one of Tolkien's great writings that brings us into Frodo's process at these difficult, mind-blowing moments. And how Gandalf is constantly reaching out. This gets me every time I read it!



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grammaboodawg
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Dec 4 2019, 12:30am


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It's time for some more BS!

It's part 2 of a 4-part Book Spoiler that looks at one of Frodo's dreadful choices... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From The Black Gate is Closed: The Two Towers


..."Not even an eagle poised against the sun would have marked the hobbits sitting there... ...silent, not moving, shrouded in their thin grey cloaks. For a moment he might have paused to consider Gollum, a tiny figure sprawling on the ground: there perhaps lay the famished skeleton of some child of Men, its ragged garment still clinging to it, its long arms and legs almost bone-white and bone-thin: no flesh worth a peck.
...Frodo's head was bowed over his knees, but Sam leaned back, with hands behind his head, staring out of his hood at the empty sky... ...Then presently Sam thought he saw a dark bird-like figure wheel into the circle of his sight, and hover, and then wheel away again. Two more followed, and then a fourth. They were very small to look at, yet he knew... ...that they were huge, with a vast stretch of pinion, flying at a great height. He covered his eyes and bent forward, cowering. The same warning fear was on him as he had felt in the presence of the Black Riders, the helpless horror that had come with the cry in the wind and the shadow on the moon, though now it was not so crushing or compelling: the menace was more remote... ...Frodo felt it too. His thought was broken. He stirred and shivered, but he did not look up. Gollum huddled himself together like a cornered spider. The winged shapes wheeled... ...speeding back to Mordor.
...Sam took a deep breath. 'The Riders are about again, up in the air,' he said in a hoarse whisper. 'I saw them. Do you think they could see us? They were very high up. And if they are Black Riders... ...then they can't see much by daylight, can they?'
...'No, perhaps not,' said Frodo. 'But their steeds could see. And these winged creatures that they ride on now, they can probably see more than any other creature. They are like great carrion birds. They are looking for something: the Enemy is on the watch, I fear.'"



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Dec 4 2019, 11:09am


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It's time for even more BS!

It's part 3 of a 4-part Book Spoiler that looks at one of Frodo's dreadful choices... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From The Black Gate is Closed: The Two Towers


..."'The feeling of dread passed, but the enfolding silence was broken. For some time he had been cut off from the world, as if in an invisible island; now they were laid bare again, peril had returned... ...still Frodo did not speak to Gollum or make his choice. His eyes were closed, as if he were dreaming, or looking inward into his heart and memory. At last he stirred and stood up, and it seemed that he was about to speak and to decide. But 'hark!' he said. 'What is that?'
...A new fear was upon them. They heard singing and hoarse shouting. At first it seemed a long way off, but it drew nearer... ...It leaped into all their minds that the Black Wings had spied them and had sent armed soldiers to seize them: no speed seemed too great for these terrible servants of Sauron. They crouched, listening. The voices and the clink of weapons... ...was very close. Frodo and Sam loosened their small swords in the sheaths. Flight was impossible.
Gollum rose slowly and crawled insect-like to the lip of the hollow. Very cautiously he raised himself inch by inch, until he could peer over it between two broken points of stone. He remained there without moving for some time, making no sound. Presently the voices began... ...slowly faded away. Far off a horn blew on the ramparts of the Morannon. Then quietly Gollum drew back and slipped down into the hollow.
...'More Men going to Mordor,' Gollum said in a low voice. 'Dark faces. We have not seen Men like these before, no, Sméagol has not. They are fierce. They have black eyes, and long black hair, and gold rings in their ears; yes, lots of beautiful gold… …Not nice; very cruel wicked Men they look. Almost as bad as Orcs, and much bigger. Sméagol thinks they have come out of the South beyond the Great River's end... ...They have passed on to the Black Gate; but more may follow. Always more people coming to Mordor. One day all the peoples will be inside.'
...'Were there any oliphaunts?' asked Sam... ""



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CuriousG
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Dec 4 2019, 2:50pm


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I always forget Gollum wears clothes of some kind


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Gollum, a tiny figure sprawling on the ground: there perhaps lay the famished skeleton of some child of Men, its ragged garment still clinging to it, its long arms and legs almost bone-white and bone-thin: no flesh worth a peck.



CuriousG
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Dec 4 2019, 2:56pm


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I have to wonder what these Men think of Mordor

Sure, they're allies of Sauron, but we see how Orcs in Mordor kill each other, so it's a barbarous place even if you're on Sauron's side, and an industrial wasteland is hard to camp in regardless of your allegiance.


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'More Men going to Mordor,' Gollum said in a low voice. 'Dark faces. We have not seen Men like these before, no, Sméagol has not. They are fierce. They have black eyes, and long black hair, and gold rings in their ears; yes, lots of beautiful gold… …Not nice; very cruel wicked Men they look. Almost as bad as Orcs, and much bigger. Sméagol thinks they have come out of the South beyond the Great River's end... ...They have passed on to the Black Gate; but more may follow.


Are they eager to go fight Gondor just to get outside of Sauron's hellhole? Do they complain a lot? Are they demoralized by their surroundings? Do they wish they could march back home to more normal lands? Do they get into fights with Orcs? If only I could be a wartime correspondent and interview them.


grammaboodawg
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Dec 5 2019, 11:17am


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It's time for a bit more BS!

It's part 4 of a 4-part Book Spoiler that looks at one of Frodo's dreadful choices... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From The Black Gate is Closed: The Two Towers



..."'Were there any oliphaunts?' asked Sam, forgetting his fear in his eagerness for news of strange places.
...'No, no oliphaunts. What are oliphaunts?' said Gollum.
...Sam stood up, putting his hands behind his back (as he always did when 'speaking poetry'), and began: 'Grey as a mouse, Big as a house, Nose like a snake, I make the earth shake...'"

...'...That,' said Sam, when he had finished reciting, 'that's a rhyme we have in the Shire. Nonsense maybe, and maybe not. But we have our tales too, and news out of the South... ...In the old days hobbits used to go on their travels now and again. Not that many ever came back, and not that all they said was believed: news from Bree, and not sure as Shiretalk, as the sayings go. But I've heard tales of the big folk down away in the Sunlands. Swertings we call 'em in our tales... ...they ride on oliphaunts, 'tis said, when they fight. They put houses and towers on the oliphauntses backs... ...and the oliphaunts throw rocks and trees at one another. So when you said "Men out of the South, all in red and gold," I said "were there any oliphaunts?" For if there was, I was going to take a look, risk or no. But now I don't suppose I'll ever see an oliphaunt. Maybe there ain't no such a beast.' He sighed.
... 'No, no oliphaunts,' said Gollum again. 'Sméagol has not heard of them. He does not want to see them... ...Sméagol wants to go away from here and hide somewhere safer. Sméagol wants master to go. Nice master, won't he come with Sméagol?'
...Frodo stood up. He had laughed in the midst of all his cares when Sam trotted out the old fireside rhyme of Oliphaunt... ...the laugh had released him from hesitation. 'I wish we had a thousand oliphaunts with Gandalf on a white one at their head,' he said. 'Then we'd break a way into this evil land, perhaps ... '...But we've not; just our own tired legs, that's all. Well, Sméagol, the third turn may turn the best. I will come with you.'
...'Good master, wise master, nice master!' cried Gollum in delight, patting Frodo's knees...."



OK... I just have to say, here... I love how Frodo pictures Gandalf leading the charge on a white oliphaunt before he ever knew Gandalf was reborn as Gandalf theWhite! :)



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grammaboodawg
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Dec 5 2019, 12:21pm


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Really?


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If only I could be a wartime correspondent and interview them.


Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys!!! ;D



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grammaboodawg
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Dec 5 2019, 12:41pm


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That image of Gollum

has always had him sporting a loin cloth, so it's hard to remember this description. However… I always trip up on his description from The Hobbit (Riddles) and this description of "…long arms and legs almost bone-white…"


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Deep down here by the dark water lived old Gollum, a small slimy creature... ...He was Gollum—as dark as darkness, except for two big round pale eyes in his thin face.





P'raps it just means he's dark as darkness because he was darkened in the darkness and is truly bone-white.



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CuriousG
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Dec 5 2019, 2:35pm


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LOL. Look, there has to be some immunity from harm that goes with that job! /

 


CuriousG
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Dec 5 2019, 2:39pm


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Gollum's skin color

I guess after many reads, Gollum forms an image in your head so solid, you stop thinking about him. Now that you point out those text references, I guess I think of him as both dark and white: white, because he was sun-deprived for so long, and dark, because he blends into the darkness so well. And maybe he has a dimmer switch to get between the two? That Ring gives you odd powers that go undocumented, such as the uncanny ability to always find a parking space right where you want it.


CuriousG
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Dec 5 2019, 2:45pm


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That is a cool image

maybe akin to something in Rudyard Kipling's The Jungle Book. And I like how Frodo is in a good mood for a change and can imagine Gandalf without grief. Even on their long, hard road, there is healing along the way.

OK... I just have to say, here... I love how Frodo pictures Gandalf leading the charge on a white oliphaunt before he ever knew Gandalf was reborn as Gandalf the White! :



grammaboodawg
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Dec 6 2019, 2:47am


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The magic of Samwise :) //

 



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grammaboodawg
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Dec 6 2019, 2:51am


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*snicker* Fersher!

I could use that kind of power!!! Maybe gollum is a bit of a chameleon? ;)



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Dec 6 2019, 12:41pm


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TIME - December 6

Today in Middle-earth

December 6, 2941 (S.R. 1341)
1. Gandalf and Bilbo travel with Beorn along the border of Mirkwood.
(determined from text)

..."[Bilbo] had many hardships and adventures before he got back. The Wild was still the Wild, and there were many other things in it in those days besides goblins; but he was well guided and well guarded—the wizard was with him, and Beorn... ...and he was never in great danger again."



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Dec 7 2019, 1:31pm


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TIME - December 7

Today in Middle-earth

December 7, 3018 (S.R. 1418)
1. The Hobbits rest in Rivendell.
(not from the appendices-no text-drabble)

...Frodo and Sam often enjoyed quiet walks in the Rivendell gardens. Their travel was slow on the days they stopped to investigate flowers of unique colour or scent. Sam would study their manner of growth while Frodo sketched their likeness in his journal. More than once they came upon Bilbo and Gandalf resting on low couches quietly talking. All around them rings of coloured smoke made it appear as if they were at ease in a magical cloud. The hobbits would leave silently not wanting to disturb the old friends, never guessing the elders had done the same for them.

December 7, 3019 (S.R. 1419)
1. The Shire is reborn.
(not from the appendices)

..."The task of hunting out the last remnant of the ruffians was left to Merry and Pippin, and it was soon done. The southern gangs, after hearing the news of the Battle of Bywater, fled out of the land and offered little resistance to the Thain. Before the Year's End the few survivors were rounded up in the woods, and those that surrendered were shown to the borders."

December 7, 3020 (S.R. 1420)
1. The Shire recovers.
(not from the appendices-no text)

...Hobbiton was getting back to normal as it slowly began to look as it once did through the tireless work of the Hobbits. Sam and Rosie lived with Frodo at Bag End in the New Row, and no hobbit was ever looked after better.



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Dec 8 2019, 2:10pm


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Today in Middle-earth

Here's part 1 of a 3-part look at Frodo and Sam dealing with Gollum on their way to the Cross-roads… for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From Journey to the Cross-Roads: The Two Towers

"'Which way do we go from here?' asked Frodo. 'Is that the opening of--of the Morgul Valley, away over there beyond that black mass?'
'Need we think about it yet?' said Sam. 'Surely we're not going to move any more today, if day it is?'
'Perhaps not, perhaps not,' said Gollum. 'But we must go soon, to the Cross-roads. Yes, to the Cross-roads. That's the way over there, yes, Master.'
The red glare over Mordor died away. The twilight deepened… …crawled above them. Frodo and Sam took a little food and then lay down, but Gollum was restless. He would not eat any of their food, but he drank a little water and then crawled about under the bushes, sniffing and muttering…
'...Off hunting, I suppose,' said Sam and yawned. It was his turn to sleep first, and he was soon deep in a dream. He thought he was back in the Bag End garden looking for something; but he had a heavy pack on his back, which made him stoop. It all seemed very weedy and rank somehow, and thorns and bracken were invading the beds down near the bottom hedge.
'A job of work for me, I can see; but I'm so tired,' he kept on saying. Presently he remembered what he was looking for. 'My pipe!' …and with that he woke up.
'Silly!' he said to himself, as he opened his eyes and wondered why he was lying down under the hedge. 'It's in your pack all the time!' Then he realized, first that the pipe might be in his pack but he had no leaf, and next that he was hundreds of miles from Bag End."



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Dec 9 2019, 11:14am


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It's time for some more BS!

Here's part 2 of a 3-part look at Frodo and Sam dealing with Gollum and seeking shelter in a covert on their way to the Cross-roads… for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From Journey to the Cross-Roads: The TwoTowers


..."It seemed to be almost dark. Why had his master let him sleep on out of turn, right on till evening?
'Haven't you had no sleep, Mr. Frodo?' he said. 'What's the time? Seems to be getting late!'
...'No it isn't,' said Frodo. 'But the day is getting darker instead of lighter... ...As far as I can tell, it isn't midday yet, and you've only slept for about three hours.'
...'I wonder what's up,' said Sam. 'Is there a storm coming? If so it's going to be the worst there ever was. We shall wish we were down a deep hole, not just stuck under a hedge.' He listened. 'What's that? Thunder, or drums, or what is it?'
...'I don't know,' said Frodo. 'It's been going on for a good while now. Sometimes the ground seems to tremble, sometimes it seems to be the heavy air throbbing in your ears.'
...Sam looked round. 'Where's Gollum? ...Hasn't he come back yet?'
...'No,' said Frodo. 'There's not been a sign or sound of him.'
...'Well, I can't abide him,' said Sam. 'In fact, I've never taken anything on a journey that I'd have been less sorry to lose on the way. But it would be just like him, after coming all these miles, to go and get lost now, just when we shall need him most... ...if he's ever going to be any use, which I doubt.'
...'You forget the Marshes,' said Frodo. 'I hope nothing has happened to him.'
... 'And I hope he's up to no tricks. And anyway I hope he doesn't fall into other hands, as you might say. Because if he does, we shall soon be in for trouble.'
... At that moment a rolling and rumbling noise was heard again, louder now and deeper. The ground seemed to quiver under their feet. 'I think we are in for trouble anyhow,' said Frodo. 'I'm afraid our journey is drawing to an end.'
... 'Maybe,' said Sam; 'but where there's life there's hope, as my Gaffer used to say; and need of vittles, as he most-ways used to add. You have a bite, Mr. Frodo, and then a bit of sleep.'"



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Dec 10 2019, 11:25am


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It's time for a bit more BS!

Here's part 3 of a 3-part look at Frodo and Sam dealing with Gollum and seeking shelter in a covert on their way to the Cross-roads… for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From Journey to the Cross-Roads: The Two Towers


..."The afternoon, as Sam supposed it must be called, wore on. Looking out from the covert he could see only a dun, shadowless world... ...It felt stifling but not warm. Frodo slept unquietly, turning and tossing, and sometimes murmuring. Twice Sam thought he heard him speaking Gandalf's name. The time seemed to drag interminably. Suddenly Sam heard a hiss behind him, and there was Gollum on all fours, peering at them with gleaming eyes.
... 'Wake up... ...Wake up, sleepies!' he whispered. 'Wake up! No time to lose. We must go, yes, we must go at once. No time to lose!'
... Sam stared at him suspiciously: he seemed frightened or excited. 'Go now? What's your little game? It isn't time yet. It can't be tea-time even, leastways not in decent places where there is tea-time.'
... 'Silly!' hissed Gollum. 'We're not in decent places. Time's running short, yes, running fast. No time to lose... ...Wake up, Master, wake up!' He clawed at Frodo; and Frodo, startled out of sleep, sat up suddenly and seized him by the arm. Gollum tore himself loose and backed away.
... 'They mustn't be silly,' he hissed. 'We must go. No time to lose!' And nothing more could they get out of him."



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Dec 11 2019, 3:32pm


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It's time for some BS!

Here's the first part of a 4-part Book Spoiler telling the history of the Red Book of Westmarch... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From Note on the Shire Records: The Fellowship of the Ring


"At the end of the Third Age the part played by the Hobbits in the great events that led to the inclusion of the Shire in the Reunited Kingdom awakened among them a more widespread interest in their own history; and many of their traditions... ...still mainly oral, were collected and written down. The greater families were also concerned with events in the Kingdom at large, and many of their members studied its ancient histories and legends. By the end of the first century of the Fourth Age there were... ...to be found in the Shire several libraries that contained many historical books and records.
The largest of these collections were probably at Undertowers, at Great Smials, and at Brandy Hall. This account of the end of the Third Age is drawn mainly from the Red Book of Westmarch. That most important source for the history of the War of the Ring was so called because it was long preserved at Undertowers, the home of the Fairbairns, Wardens of the Westmarch. It was in origin Bilbo's private diary, which he took with him to Rivendell. Frodo brought it back to the Shire, together with many loose leaves of notes... ...during S.R. 1420-1 he nearly filled its pages with his account of the War... ...preserved with it, probably in a single red case, were the three large volumes, bound in red leather, that Bilbo gave to him as a parting gift. To these four volumes there was added in Westmarch a fifth containing commentaries, genealogies, and various other matter concerning the hobbit members of the Fellowship."




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Dec 12 2019, 12:22pm


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It's time for some more BS!

Here's the second part of a 4-part Book Spoiler telling the history of the Red Book of Westmarch... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From Note on the Shire Records: The Fellowship of the Ring


"The original Red Book has not been preserved, but many copies were made, especially of the first volume, for the use of the descendants of the children of Master Samwise. The most important copy... ...has a different history. It was kept at Great Smials, but it was written in Gondor, probably at the request of the great-grandson of Peregrin, and completed in S.R. 1592 (F.A. 172). Its southern scribe appended this note: Findegil, King's Writer, finished this work in IV 172. It is an exact copy in all details of the Thrain's Book in Minas Tirith. That book was a copy... ...at the request of King Elessar, of the Red Book of the Periannath, and was brought to him by the Thain Peregrin when he retired to Gondor in IV 64.
The Thain's book was... ...the first copy made of the Red Book and contained much that was later omitted or lost. In Minas Tirith it received much annotation, and many corrections, especially of names, words, and quotations in the Elvish languages; and there was added to it an abbreviated version of... ...parts of The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen which lie outside the account of the War. The full tale is stated to have been written by Barahir, grandson of the Steward Faramir, some time after the passing of the king. But the chief importance of Findegil's copy is... ...it alone contains the whole of Bilbo's 'Translations from the Elvish'. These three volumes were found to be a work of great skill and learning in which, between 1403 and 1418, he had used all the sources available to him in Rivendell, both living and written. But since they were little used by Frodo, being almost entirely concerned with the Eldar Days, no more is said of them here."



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CuriousG
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Dec 12 2019, 3:34pm


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You can tell from this passage that Tolkien was an academic

and they love talking about these things. I do too, actually, but I think most people's eyes would glaze over.

I'm wondering about all the corrections that were needed, and if hobbit writers had gone a little too local.


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Frodo Baggins of Hobbiton took the evil Ring to a faraway land, a little past Bree. The Ring was made by Bill Ferny Sauron, who had been previously been defeated by the Old Took Gil-Galad in the Last Pub Crawl Last Alliance of Elves and Men. With the wise advice of Barliman Butterbur Gandalf and the help of a few, scarcely worth mentioning non-hobbits Elves, Men, and Dwarves, the Shire achieved total victory over all evil, thus ensuring the continued efficiency of our postal system.



grammaboodawg
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Dec 13 2019, 1:51am


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*snert* true!

As someone who worked in an academic library and my job was bibliographic and authority processing... I eat this up! :D



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It's time for yet more BS!

Here's the third part of a 4-part Book Spoiler telling the history of the Red Book of Westmarch... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From Note on the Shire Records: The Fellowship of the Ring



"Since Meriadoc and Peregrin became the heads of their great families, and the same time kept up their connexions with Rohan and Gondor, the libraries at Bucklebury and Tuckborough contained much that did not appear in the Red Book. In Brandy Hall there were many works dealing with Eriador and the history of Rohan. Some of these were composed or begun by Meriadoc himself, though in the Shire he was chiefly remembered for his Herblore of the Shire, and for his Reckoning of Years in which he discussed the relation of the calendars of the Shire and Bree to those of Rivendell, Gondor, and Rohan. He also wrote a short treatise on Old Words and Names in the Shire, showing special interest in discovering the kinship with the language of the Rohirrim of such 'shire-words' as mathom and old elements in place names."



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dernwyn
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Dec 13 2019, 1:05pm


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*chokes on coffee* Bwahaha!

Well, this does go right along with all those "recommendations" the Breelanders made to Frodo about what to include in his story! Laugh


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CuriousG
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Dec 13 2019, 1:23pm


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Sorry about the coffee mess

but glad you enjoyed it. I was inspired by this in "Homeward Bound," which I've always found funny:


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Bree memories being retentive, Frodo was asked many times if he had written his book.

‘Not yet,’ he answered. ‘I am going home now to put my notes in order.’ He promised to deal with the amazing events at Bree, and so give a bit of interest to a book that appeared likely to treat mostly of the remote and less important affairs ‘away south’.

Tolkien, J.R.R.. The Lord of the Rings: One Volume (p. 995). HMH Books. Kindle Edition.



CuriousG
Half-elven


Dec 13 2019, 2:59pm


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Hidden gems found in the spleen

I mean, appendix!

This builds on the exchange between Theoden and the hobbits when they met at Isengard, that there might be some distant link between their peoples, even more remarkable considering how warlike the people of Eorl are and how pacifist the hobbits are.


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He also wrote a short treatise on Old Words and Names in the Shire, showing special interest in discovering the kinship with the language of the Rohirrim of such 'shire-words' as mathom and old elements in place names.


I really like the Merry-Theoden relationship, however briefly it gets touched on. They formed a strong and unlikely bond, and it apparently influenced Merry for the rest of his life, given his scholarly pursuits:

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Merry could not speak, but wept anew. ‘Forgive me, lord,’ he said at last, ‘if I broke your command, and yet have done no more in your service than to weep at our parting.’

The old king smiled. ‘Grieve not! It is forgiven. Great heart will not be denied. Live now in blessedness; and when you sit in peace with your pipe, think of me! For never now shall I sit with you in Meduseld, as I promised, or listen to your herb-lore.’



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‘Well,’ answered Merry slowly. ‘He is dead. It has brought it all back to me. He said he was sorry he had never had a chance of talking herb-lore with me. Almost the last thing he ever said. I shan’t ever be able to smoke again without thinking of him, and that day, Pippin, when he rode up to Isengard and was so polite.’



Otaku-sempai
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Dec 13 2019, 3:56pm


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Hobbits and the Rohirrim


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This builds on the exchange between Theoden and the hobbits when they met at Isengard, that there might be some distant link between their peoples, even more remarkable considering how warlike the people of Eorl are and how pacifist the hobbits are.


Well, if (in the history of Arda) all Men originally came from the distant East, that must also be true of the Hobbits. Perhaps before the Hobbits came to live in the Vales of Anduin they dwelt along the banks of the Running River and learned the language of the Men of Rhovanion. At the very least, they might have picked up the speech from the Eorlingas in the Anduin Vales.

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Dec 13 2019, 10:17pm


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CG, you are causing various reactions this morning.

I had just finished breakfast, was working my way through TORn, and snorted at "spleen". Then I read your thoughts and quotes about Theoden and Merry and suddenly I was in big, sloppy tears. The Professor and Gramma and you have conspired to awaken the weeping woman of Wellington. Evil But it's ok because, well, you know, "not all tears...."
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CuriousG:
I really like the Merry-Theoden relationship, however briefly it gets touched on. They formed a strong and unlikely bond, and it apparently influenced Merry for the rest of his life, given his scholarly pursuits:



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Merry could not speak, but wept anew. ‘Forgive me, lord,’ he said at last, ‘if I broke your command, and yet have done no more in your service than to weep at our parting.’

The old king smiled. ‘Grieve not! It is forgiven. Great heart will not be denied. Live now in blessedness; and when you sit in peace with your pipe, think of me! For never now shall I sit with you in Meduseld, as I promised, or listen to your herb-lore.’



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‘Well,’ answered Merry slowly. ‘He is dead. It has brought it all back to me. He said he was sorry he had never had a chance of talking herb-lore with me. Almost the last thing he ever said. I shan’t ever be able to smoke again without thinking of him, and that day, Pippin, when he rode up to Isengard and was so polite.’



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Dec 14 2019, 2:26pm


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It's time for a bit more BS!

Here's the fourth part of a 4-part Book Spoiler telling the history of the Red Book of Westmarch... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From Note on the Shire Records: The Fellowship of the Ring


"At Great Smials the books were of less interest to Shirefolk, though more important for larger history. None of them was written by Peregrin, but he and his successors collected many manuscripts written by scribes of Gondor: mainly copies or… …histories or legends relating to Elendil and his heirs. Only here in the Shire were to be found extensive materials for the history of Númenor and the arising of Sauron. It was probably at Great Smials that The Tale of Years was put together, with the assistance of material collected by Meriadoc. Though the dates… …are often conjectural, especially for the Second Age, they deserve attention. It is probable that Meriadoc obtained assistance and information from Rivendell, which he visited more than once… …though Elrond had departed, his sons long remained, together with some of the High-elven folk. It is said that Celeborn went to dwell there after the departure of Galadriel; but there is no record of the day when at last he sought the Grey Havens, and with him went the last living memory of the Elder Days in Middle-earth."





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Dec 14 2019, 2:34pm


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*tearing-mods up*

Ya got me.... so well said and well done. Thank you! *cuts, pastes*



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CuriousG
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Dec 14 2019, 4:24pm


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First coffee, now tears

Next there will be a flood at the Ford of Bruinen, but I blame it on Tolkien. I find just about everything with Merry & Theoden to be tear-jerky. I should have added to the context the scene of Merry becoming his knight plus their first meeting. Theoden's prescient words "for a little while" and then his kindness to Merry while he's dying--well, I have something in my eye now. Tongue



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[Isengard's ruins] ‘Farewell, my hobbits! May we meet again in my house! There you shall sit beside me and tell me all that your hearts desire: the deeds of your grandsires, as far as you can reckon them; and we will speak also of Tobold the Old and his herb-lore. Farewell!’



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‘As a father you shall be to me,’ said Merry.
‘For a little while,’ said Théoden.



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Merry could not speak, but wept anew. ‘Forgive me, lord,’ he said at last, ‘if I broke your command, and yet have done no more in your service than to weep at our parting.’

The old king smiled. ‘Grieve not! It is forgiven. Great heart will not be denied. Live now in blessedness; and when you sit in peace with your pipe, think of me! For never now shall I sit with you in Meduseld, as I promised, or listen to your herb-lore.’




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‘Well,’ answered Merry slowly. ‘He is dead. It has brought it all back to me. He said he was sorry he had never had a chance of talking herb-lore with me. Almost the last thing he ever said. I shan’t ever be able to smoke again without thinking of him, and that day, Pippin, when he rode up to Isengard and was so polite.’



Kimi
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Dec 14 2019, 10:10pm


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That's just lovely, CuriousG

The relationship between Theoden and Merry is beautifully drawn, and I love the way you've captured its essence. It also make a sharp contrast with that between Pippin and Denethor.


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Dec 14 2019, 10:59pm


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*sigh* Well done ... //

 



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CuriousG
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Dec 15 2019, 2:21am


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Thank you. And yes, poor Pippin had the opposite experience. //

 


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Dec 15 2019, 2:30pm


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It's time for some BS!

This is a Book Spoiler I wanted to share just because of the wonderful descriptions... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From The Last Debate: The Return of the King


..."'Aragorn was driven by fear that time was too short.
...'"It is forty leagues and two from Pelargir to the landings at the Harlond," he said. "Yet to the Harlond we must come tomorrow or fail utterly."
...'The oars were now wielded by free men... ...yet slowly we passed up the Great River, for we strove against its stream, and though that is not swift down in the South, we had no help of wind. Heavy would my heart have been... ...if Legolas had not laughed suddenly.
...'"Up with your beard, Durin's son!" he said. "For thus is it spoken: oft hope is born, when all is forlorn." But what hope he saw from afar he would not tell. When night came it did not deepen the darkness, and our hearts were hot, for away in the north we saw a red glow... ...and Aragorn said: "Minas Tirith is burning."

...'But at midnight hope was indeed born anew. Seacrafty men of the Ethir gazing southward spoke of a change coming with a fresh wind from the Sea. Long ere day the masted ships hoisted sail, and our speed grew, until dawn whitened the foam at our prows. And so it was... ...that we came in the third hour of the morning with a fair wind and the Sun unveiled, and we unfurled the great standard in battle. It was a great day and a great hour, whatever may come after.'"




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Cirashala
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Dec 16 2019, 3:30am


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I wonder if Legolas sensed it

or had foresight that the wind was coming from the sea, thanks to the sea-longing that had been awakened in him? Perhaps part of the sea-longing awakening is that the elves suddenly become very attuned to the sea and winds so that they can find their way to the straight road?

I don't know why, but I'm suddenly reminded of Moana (Disney) and how she learned to "read the sea" and environment, as it were, and became a wayfinder...

Maybe this was Legolas' moment of becoming a wayfinder himself, as it were, and thus he was able to know even before the experienced Men sailors that the wind was going to shift?

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Dec 16 2019, 12:46pm


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TIME - December 16

Today in Middle-earth

December 16, 2941 (S.R. 1342)
1. Travelling around Mirkwood.
(determined from text-no text)

...Gandalf, Bilbo and Beorn continue travelling around the border of Mirkwood after leaving the Lonely Mountain. They chose to skirt the Forest along the northern edge of the waste and not to journey through Mirkwood as Bilbo and the Dwarves attempted before. Bilbo wondered why Beorn planned to travel north instead of following the old forest path encouraged by the Elvenking? Though he was glad to be with both Beorn and Gandalf on this journey.



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grammaboodawg
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Dec 16 2019, 12:58pm


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Great point!

That really makes sense and seems to be the case. Plus, after being a land-lubber for so very long, the scent of the sea would definitely be something he would notice :)



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CuriousG
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Dec 16 2019, 3:59pm


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It does seem like Legolas was aware of some positive change coming,

and I like your comparison to Moana. (Geez, what would movie-Legolas do if he were on a raft in the ocean and he kept getting seawater in his long blond hair? Would he have a pretty-boy meltdown?)

It seems like he should have told Gimli, as his friend, what he was talking about, but then we wouldn't have that hint of mystery.


Cirashala
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Dec 16 2019, 9:13pm


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Agreed

Salty sea air has a real significant odor about it that would be very hard to mistake.

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Cirashala
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Dec 16 2019, 9:20pm


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Now now...

Tolkien all but described him as a bad*** in a nutshell when a picture of a very "ladylike" Legolas circulated around at one point Wink It is quite scathing to the artist and quite amusing to read!

To answer your question- I think he'd toss Gimli off the raft because logically the only way he kept getting seawater in his hair is if Gimli splashed him first TongueAngelic
True...but I wonder if he couldn't quite articulate it as the sensation was entirely new to him. Or maybe he was just being a pain in the butt to his friend, as best buds are wont to do on occasion Tongue What's that phrase? If I give you a hard time it's because I like you and that's how you know I'm your friend? Wink

I wonder if he just enjoyed watching Gimli try to figure it out and getting annoyed that he couldn't Laugh Sometimes it's fun poking fun at a friend by doing the "I know something you don't know" and driving them nuts.

Not that I've EVER done that, mind you Angelic

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CuriousG
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Dec 16 2019, 9:54pm


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The lady doth protest too much


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Not that I've EVER done that, mind you

And I, of course, have never done it either.


Cirashala
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Dec 16 2019, 10:03pm


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Of course not

You couldn't possibly be that annoying to your friends on purpose Tongue

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TIME - December 17

Today in Middle-earth

December 17, 3018 (S.R. 1418)
1. Scouts return from searching the lands.
(not from the appendices)

..."The hobbits had been nearly two months in the House of Elrond, and November had gone by with the last shreds of autumn, and December was passing, when the scouts began to return....
...In no region had the messengers discovered any signs or tidings of the Riders or other servants of the Enemy. Even from the Eagles of the Misty Mountains they had learned no fresh news. Nothing had been seen or heard of Gollum... ...Three of the black horses had been found at once drowned in the flooded Ford. On the rocks of the rapids below it searchers discovered the bodies of five more, and also a long black cloak, slashed and tattered. Of the Black Riders no other trace was to be seen, and nowhere was their presence to be felt. It seemed that they had vanished from the North.
...'Eight out of the Nine are accounted for at least,' said Gandalf. 'It is rash to be too sure, yet I think that we may hope now that the Ringwraiths were scattered, and have been obliged to return as best they could to their Master in Mordor, empty and shapeless... ...it will be some time before they can begin the hunt again. Of course the Enemy has other servants, but they will have to journey all the way to the borders of Rivendell before they can pick up our trail. And if we are careful that will be hard to find. But we must delay no longer.'"

December 17, 2003 – It was a Wednesday.
1. The Return of the King
(not from the appendices-no text)

...A film depicting events within the War of the Ring was released to the world on this day. It presents the Shire Hobbits' involvement in the struggle, Gandalf the White's interventions, kingly acts by a risen Elessar, and a myriad of deadly and heroic deeds by those who chose what to do with the time that was given to them.

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Dec 17 2019, 3:28pm


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ROTK Mojo

Budget.. = $94,000,000
Gross = $1,118,887,224

Wow! I'd say that gamble paid off.


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Dec 17 2019, 3:32pm


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The missing 9th


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'Eight out of the Nine are accounted for at least,' said Gandalf. 'It is rash to be too sure, yet I think that we may hope now that the Ringwraiths were scattered, and have been obliged to return as best they could to their Master in Mordor, empty and shapeless... ...it will be some time before they can begin the hunt again. Of course the Enemy has other servants, but they will have to journey all the way to the borders of Rivendell before they can pick up our trail. And if we are careful that will be hard to find. But we must delay no longer.'"


I remember on first read that since only 8 were accounted for, there must be a 9th Black Rider who survived and was hiding in the bushes, spying on Rivendell. That's usually how stories signal clues to readers/watchers. Instead it was just Tolkien liking loose threads rather making everything neat and tidy: "Yes, all Nine are accounted for, we are safe to leave now."


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TIME - December 18

Today in Middle-earth

December 18, 3018 (S.R. 1418)
1. The time had come for planning.
(not from the appendices-determined from text)

..."Elrond summoned the hobbits to him. He looked gravely at Frodo. 'The time has come... ...If the Ring is to set out, it must go soon. But those who go with it must not count on their errand being aided by war or force. They must pass into the domain of the Enemy far from aid. Do you still hold to your word, Frodo, that you will be the Ring-bearer?'
...'I do,' said Frodo. 'I will go with Sam.'
...'Then I cannot help you much, not even with counsel... ...I can foresee very little of your road; and how your task is to be achieved I do not know. The Shadow has crept now to the feet of the Mountains, and draws nigh even to the borders of the Greyflood; and under the Shadow all is dark to me. You will meet many foes, some open, and some disguised; and you may find friends upon your way when you least look for it. I will send out messages, such as I can contrive, to those whom I know in the wide world....
...'...And I will choose you companions to go with you, as far as they will or fortune allows. The number must be few, since your hope is in speed and secrecy. Had I a host of Elves in armour of the Elder Days, it would avail little, save to arouse the power of Mordor.
...'The Company of the Ring shall be Nine... ...the Nine Walkers shall be set against the Nine Riders that are evil. With you and your faithful servant, Gandalf will go for this shall be his great task, and maybe the end of his labours.
...'For the rest, they shall represent the other Free Peoples of the World: Elves, Dwarves, and Men. Legolas shall be for the Elves; and Gimli son of Glóin for the Dwarves. They are willing to go at least to the passes of the Mountains, and maybe beyond. For men you shall have Aragorn son of Arathorn, for the Ring of Isildur concerns him closely.'
...'Strider!' cried Frodo.
...'Yes,' he said with a smile. 'I ask leave once again to be your companion, Frodo.'
...'I would have begged you to come,... ...only I thought you were going to Minas Tirith with Boromir.'
...'I am,' said Aragorn. 'And the Sword-that-was-Broken shall be re-forged ere I set out to war. But your road and our road lie together for many hundreds of miles. Therefore Boromir will also be in the Company. He is a valiant man.'
...'There remains two more to be found... ...These I will consider. Of my household I may find some that it seems good to me to send.'
...'But that will leave no place for us!' cried Pippin in dismay. 'We don't want to be left behind. We want to go with Frodo.'
...'That is because you do not understand and cannot imagine what lies ahead,' said Elrond.
...'Neither does Frodo,' said Gandalf, unexpectedly supporting Pippin. 'Nor do any of us see clearly. It is true that if these hobbits understood the danger, they would not dare to go. But they would still wish to go, or wish that they dared, and be shamed and unhappy. I think... ...that in this matter it would be well to trust rather to their friendship than to great wisdom. Even if you choose for us an elf-lord, such as Glorfindel, he could not storm the Dark Tower, nor open the road to the Fire by the power that is in him.'
...'You speak gravely,' said Elrond, 'but I am in doubt. The Shire, I forebode, is not free now from peril; and these two I had thought to send back there as messengers, to do what they could, according to the fashion of their country, to warn the people of their danger... ...I judge that the younger of these two, Peregrin Took, should remain. My heart is against his going.'
...'Then, Master Elrond, you will have to lock me in prison, or send me home tied in a sack,' said Pippin, 'For otherwise I shall follow the Company.'
...'Let it be so then. You shall go,' said Elrond, and he sighed. 'Now the tale of Nine is filled.'"


December 18, 2002 – It was a Wednesday, again.
1. The Two Towers
(not from the appendices-no text)

...A film depicting events evolving from the parting of the Fellowship during the War of the Ring was released to the world on this day. It presents the Shire Hobbits' departure from the protection and guidance of Aragorn, Son of Arathorn, and Gandalf the Grey. Various members of the Fellowship visit the realms of Rohan, Gondor, Mordor, Fangorn and Isengard.

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December 18, 2002 (11:25 am)
1. ANNOUNCEMENT by TheOneRing.net's Xoanon

...Peter Jackson to Produce The Hobbit and its sequel 12/18/07 at 11:25am by Xoanon


December 18th, 2007 by Xoanon
Peter Jackson to Produce The Hobbit and its sequel 12/18/07 at 11:25am by Xoanon
PETER JACKSON AND NEW LINE CINEMA JOIN WITH MGM TO PRODUCE "THE HOBBIT" MOVIE

...There's a familiar Wizard making his way to Hobbiton once again; walking up Bagshot Row to a small green door. It's just a matter of TIME.




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CuriousG
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Dec 18 2019, 4:12pm


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One of those rare times when Elven intuition/foresight got it all wrong


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...'You speak gravely,' said Elrond, 'but I am in doubt. The Shire, I forebode, is not free now from peril; and these two I had thought to send back there as messengers, to do what they could, according to the fashion of their country, to warn the people of their danger... ...I judge that the younger of these two, Peregrin Took, should remain. My heart is against his going.'
...'Then, Master Elrond, you will have to lock me in prison, or send me home tied in a sack,' said Pippin, 'For otherwise I shall follow the Company.'
...'Let it be so then. You shall go,' said Elrond, and he sighed. 'Now the tale of Nine is filled.'"


If Gandalf hadn't disagreed with Elrond, and if Pippin hadn't spoken up so forcefully, we would have no Faramir after the war, and maybe no Eowyn, since he was instrumental in her healing.

Smile Or maybe Elrond foresaw Pippin making the racket with the well in Moria, arousing all their enemies against them.


grammaboodawg
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Dec 19 2019, 12:03am


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So true!

And Gandalf would have looked into the palantir while they were camped. So many things Pippin did to turn the tide. Each of the Fellowship members were a part of the success of this War. I especially love how hobbits are not afraid to stand up to the powerful leaders they encountered. Respectful, but remaining true to their own hearts and loyalty to their companions.



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TIME - December 19

Today in Middle-earth

December 19, 3020 (S.R. 1420)
1. Sam home in the Shire.
(not from the appendices)

..."All thing now went well, with hope always of becoming still better; and Sam was as busy and as full of delight as even a hobbit could wish. Nothing for him marred that whole year, except for some vague anxiety about his master."


December 19, 2001 – Wednesday once more.
1. Release of The Fellowship of the Ring
(not from the appendices-but who cares!?-no text)

...A film depicting events within the world of Middle-earth and its various kindred and creatures. The ultimate story of good versus evil, Peter Jackson's adaptation of J.R.R. Tolkien's fantastic tale is released on the world.
...Little did they know what was about to be unleashed. A small, remote, peaceful realm that caused the powerful to look up and the citizenry everywhere to find hope and refuge. Whether you want to call it Middle-earth or New Zealand is up to you... a journey for faithful readers and a discovery for the masses.

The Fellowship of the Ring
Boxoffice Mojo for FotR
The Argonath
The Ring-bearer






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TIME - December 20

Today in Middle-earth

December 20, 3019 (S.R. 1419)
1. Bag End is restored.
(not from the appendices)

..."...One of the first things done in Hobbiton, before even the removal of the new mill, was the clearing of the Hill and Bag End, and the restoration of Bagshot Row. The front of the new sand-pit was all levelled and made into a large sheltered garden... ...new holes were dug in the southward face, back into the Hill, and they were lined with brick. The Gaffer was restored to Number Three; and he said often and did not care who heard it:
...'It's an ill wind as blows nobody no good, as I always say. And All's well as ends Better!'
...There was some discussion of the name that the new row should be given. Battle Gardens was thought of, or Better Smials. But after a while in sensible hobbit-fashion it was just called New Row. It was a purely Bywater joke to refer to it as Sharkey's End."


May the Force Be With You... one last time



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