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Spoilers: Extended Edition trailer!



QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 25 2015, 11:46pm


Views: 12390
Spoilers: Extended Edition trailer!

Here's a trailer for Fathom Events' trilogy marathon!

Contains EE Spoilers: https://youtu.be/awxBUbZQVKE

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QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 25 2015, 11:51pm


Views: 10599
Okay, okay...

So about a second's worth of quick shots, but it's something! Laugh


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Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Aug 25 2015, 11:53pm


Views: 10673
I thought you were trolling at first.

Some cool new shots!Smile

That Legolas shot though..... REALLY?Unsure


Shagrat
Gondor

Aug 25 2015, 11:59pm


Views: 10563
Some exciting looking stuff

Except more Legolas bs Crazy I thought it was an Eagle at first, but obviously it couldn't be. I'm sick of him.


Starglass
Rivendell


Aug 26 2015, 12:00am


Views: 10650
Finally!

That went by pretty fast so I'm not sure i caught everything new. I definitely caught the chariot scene, Bilbo fighting and more Legolas + bat?? Crazy

I definitely would have liked a glimpse of some new dialogue instead of just action, but I guess it's better than nothing!


Dcole4
Rohan

Aug 26 2015, 12:01am


Views: 10580
Hmmm...

I see a very unwanted extended "Legolas on the bat" sequence. Hopefully it's mercifully short.

One good thing about the "only twenty minutes longer" is that it seems like the Dain entrance is completely re-done, that will make for a minute or so of new footage.


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 12:01am


Views: 10549
Me and you, Mooseboy...

Among the first in the world to see those shots.

Looks like there's going to be more Legolas hanging upside down... *sigh*... and a troll jumping into the ice? I actually loved the troll headbutting the wall gag - so I hope this ice troll is as good as that. Trolls are the one thing I don't mind being turned into jokes, because to me they are quite funny creatures.


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Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea


Aug 26 2015, 12:02am


Views: 10688
No kidding.


In Reply To
That Legolas shot though..... REALLY?Unsure


I love PJ for giving us the LotR films (and many parts of the Hobbit films), but I just can't do anything but shake my head at stuff like that.

Where is the PJ that told his crew at the beginning of the LotR production to strive for realism and a true sense of history?
Unsure

"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that."
- Viggo Mortensen


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Aug 26 2015, 12:02am


Views: 10510
elves vs dwarves

I wonder how the ram charge with Dain is going to play out. Is the elf and dwarf confrontation going to be structured completely differently?


Dcole4
Rohan

Aug 26 2015, 12:04am


Views: 10550
Definitely more Ravenhill...

You can see a shot of the orcs lowering their lances, this must be as the Eagles arrive or shortly before. Maybe against Beorn.


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Aug 26 2015, 12:09am


Views: 10504
so unwanted

It's literally the exact opposite of what I can safely say a majority of the fans want. Maybe Alfrid will show up in that scene too, and Tauriel will jump on the bat's back and scream "IT WAS REEEEEEEALLLLL!!!"Wink

I can live with it though if it's short.


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Aug 26 2015, 12:12am


Views: 10497
blind/stilt walking troll

The only troll thing I hate is the one that involves Legolas. It's just beyond ridiculous and not in the good way some of PJ's better gags are.


Never_Underestimate_A_Dwarf
Rivendell


Aug 26 2015, 12:12am


Views: 10529
Now I want more

Saw lots of quick battle shots and the chariot. And for some reason, more Legolas. I threw my hands up in defeat. Sure, PJ, the movie needed more Legolas. Twenty minutes and I guarantee there's more Legolas stunts to suffer through.

Justice for Fili


CathrineB
Rohan


Aug 26 2015, 12:12am


Views: 10426
That was

incredibly repetitive Laugh How many times did he say 'extended editions' anyway? Maybe less than I got the impression of I suppose.

Wish there were more new clips though Unsure And yey more flying Legolas? Unimpressed


Dcole4
Rohan

Aug 26 2015, 12:12am


Views: 10495
One thing of note...

The Dain entrance doesn't have so much of the 'bloom" color grading. BOTFA in general overused that filter but that scene in the TE was one of the worst offenders. Happy to see it might be toned down in the EE.


Never_Underestimate_A_Dwarf
Rivendell


Aug 26 2015, 12:15am


Views: 10398
So true


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I can live with it though if it's short.


I could live with it if the movie added more than twenty minutes.
Each second is precious - I hope more aren't wasted on what the vast majority of fans don't want.

Justice for Fili


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 12:17am


Views: 10451
Agree, the stilt troll was not good...

I also don't like how easily the trolls go down when the dwarves charge out of Erebor. The struggle to kill that one troll in FotR compared to how easily they're taken out in The Hobbit... but I guess that's just the tone of the film.


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Aug 26 2015, 12:19am


Views: 10489
broken record

I know I'm going to sound like a broken record (I blame PJ, sorry), but the fact that it's only 20 minutes is what bothers me the most. If we were getting 40 or even just 30 extra minutes, I'd be able to shrug off the extra Legolas gag. But every second of those 20 minutes feels precious, and I hate to see any of it wasted on something that we already have more than enough of.

Who knows though... maybe the overall editing and pacing of that part of the battle will be improved to the point where a little extra Legolas won't be that big of a deal. I wonder exactly where that moment will be placed. I assume it's going to be an extended moment when Legolas flies up to Ravenhill. Or maybe he'll hitch a ride with ANOTHER bat after his fight with Bolg just in case the movie focuses too much on Beorn's new scenes. Because heaven forbid we get a battle scene without it intercutting with Legolas being hip and cool.


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 12:21am


Views: 10440
It looks like it might be completely different in the EE...

What the heck happens?? The dwarves arrive... then the ballistas are fired at the elves, which takes out their arrows. And there's a charge of rams? How do we get from that point to the "I will not stand down" discussion? Is that before or after this battle? And when do the were-worms come into it? Crazy

It must be completely re-edited. Maybe that's why Dain was CG?


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Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Aug 26 2015, 12:22am


Views: 10416
CG

I guess that's one of the "good things" about 99% of the scene being CG. They can just redo it however they want when they add in extended stuff.


EgyptRaider
The Shire


Aug 26 2015, 12:33am


Views: 10378
The Legolas shot

Actually I am quite happy that one is in. I always noticed the fact that there was something missing with the bat since Legolas started on the bat while holdings the bat's legs, while in the next shot he was suddenly hanging upside down... You might not like the action or nature of the scene, but at least this gap is being filled.


Thrain II
Lorien


Aug 26 2015, 12:35am


Views: 10402
More Legolas OTT stuff???

Has PJ gone completely mad? Not only will we get only 20 minutes, but he decides to waste it on that. Just wow.
From this trailer we see only battle stuff which doesn't interest me much, I am looking forward to the character moments, if we will get any.
I am intrigued by the new Dain's arrival though.


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 12:39am


Views: 10313
Oddly, though...

For some reason Legolas changing positions from holding its legs to hanging upside down didn't break my sense of reality... I guess I was just too busy wondering if Legolas would fall, or how his arrows stayed in his quiver, or how and why he was hanging from a giant bat Unimpressed


Dcole4
Rohan

Aug 26 2015, 12:42am


Views: 10376
Trailer

1) New shot of Elves stringing bows. They are point at the mountain, possibly just a new angle? Or was this used in the TE?

2) New Shot of Dale + Elves... Extended Thranduil entrance scene? Not sure why that scene would be expanded when others are woefully short.

3) Catapult Troll readying to fire upon dwarves. Probably just a small addition to add to the peril Dain and his army are in before Thorin arrives.

4) Bard roof-jumping, this might help some of the choppiness in the sequence.

5) Legolas on the bat... completely unneeded. Hopefully it's just 5-10 seconds added to the start or end of an existing "Legolas in the air" sequence

6) Gundabad army lowering spears, probably to fend against Beorn and the eagles.

7) New Dain entrance, this is exciting, especially since it will replace existing footage rather than cut too deeply into the precious few minutes being added.

8) Chariot vs. Troll, we knew this was coming. We've heard this scene is about 3 minutes or so.

I think most of these are interesting additions. Likely they plucked out the biggest action shots. I wouldn't be overly worried that we won't get many character moments. Of the scenes not confirmed, I really just want the Bofur/Bilbo scene, the acorn scene, Dain's coronation and digging up the treasure in the Trollshaws. I think its obvious now we won't be getting the Beorn imprisoned in Dol Guldur set piece. What confuses me about this is PJ specifically said we'd see more of Mikael Persbrandt's performance. With so little footage being added, I can't imagine what they'll give him beyond maybe a line or two post-battle.

The Azog and Thorin duel looks intact which squashes thoughts that we might get a "busier" Ravenhill battle like the one previewed in the video blogs with the numerous toy soldiers throughout the Ravenhill miniature.


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QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 12:44am


Views: 10355
Don't panic yet...

Character moments don't make a good trailer, and there was apparently not much to show here, so that could suggest there's plenty of character stuff added. They just (rightly) decided not to use it for advertising. Instead they show the little bit of extra Legolas, because that's what gets people's attention.


CFGriffith
The Shire


Aug 26 2015, 12:46am


Views: 8261
Thanks for posting the link!

Also looks like The Hobbit page on FB updated profile pic, top header, and posted about the DVD release, as well as tweeted about it. Hopefully soon more things will start coming out?


Arthael
Lorien


Aug 26 2015, 12:46am


Views: 8230
No rating on the BOFTA material?

I noticed the ratings for AUJ and DOS were displayed during the trailer, but I never saw a rating for BOFTA. I found it strange that they would show the ratings during the preview anyway (and not at the end) but even more surprised when I didn't see any confirmation of the controversial "R" rating?

Thoughts? Did I just miss it?

Also, I'm enticed by the new footage overall. I hope the amount of shots of the Dol guldur showdown indicates that it will be one of the scenes most improved in the new cut?

"There are no safe paths in this part of the world. Remember you are over the Edge of the Wild, and in for all sorts of fun wherever you go."


Dcole4
Rohan

Aug 26 2015, 12:49am


Views: 8278
Hopefully!

The Galadriel scene with the Dungeon orc was very poorly edited, clearly there will be more footage there. I also wouldn't be surprised if the re-used footage of Sauron flashes from DOS is replaced with some of the mo-capped BC footage we heard so much about. I personally am hoping the AUJ shot of Radagast is replaced. I hate how little regard they've given the character in DOS and especially BOTFA where he has two lines and is thrown aside with no concern.


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Aug 26 2015, 12:55am


Views: 8088
reused shot

As small and relatively insignificant as it is, getting rid of the reused Radagast shot is one of the things I'm hoping for the most in the EE. It's just so...bad.Crazy


Thrain II
Lorien


Aug 26 2015, 1:00am


Views: 8123
It certainly got my atenttion!

But not the way I wanted to sadly. Mad It's just because I think this movie needed at least 30 minutes to fill all the gaps and slow things down a bit, first the news of only 20 minutes, and now the sight of that awful and unneeded addition make me really mad. So mad that now I actually see how horrible I spelled the first post. Laugh
I also hoped for a glimpse of something new from Dol Guldur since it was featured a lot.


Dcole4
Rohan

Aug 26 2015, 1:01am


Views: 8173
Agreed...

It is likely a placeholder for what was originally the Radagast rescuing Beorn sequence, which looks now to not likely be added back in. As a substitute, I'd love them to just insert even a generic shot of Radagast outside Dol Guldur. Anything, its such a weird re-use.

Also odd is the re-use (albeit used in reverse and regraded) of the establishing shot of Dol Guldur from DOS (with the bunny sled removed). Hopefully all of these re-used shots mean this sequence will be heavily altered.


Avandel
Half-elven


Aug 26 2015, 1:04am


Views: 8260
Yes indeedy.....

There's some comfortCrazyUnimpressed in what seems to be PJ's evidently consistent and enthusiastic determination to feature Legolas as the heroic superman of BOFA, e.g. if walking on air weren't enough, evidently he's taking out an entire legion of orcs while hanging upside down - I suppose it would be *churlish* on my part to wonder why the Durins and Dwalin didn't just start a campfire and toast some marshmallows up on Ravenhill. Unimpressed

Too much is not enough:



Wheeeeeeeeeeee!LaughLaughLaugh (and it's OVER 20 MINUTES OF NEW AND EXTENDED SCENES in case you didn't get that, after the 3rd mention of it....)

Still, for me, some promising moments that at least have dwarvesHeart. Well, CGI dwarves anyway.






AND OVER 20 MINUTES OF NEW AND EXTENDED SCENES!!!!!LaughLaughLaugh


H , a s g fur minn
H , a s g mur mna, og H, a s g brur mnir og systur mnar
H , a s g mitt flk aftur byrjun
H, gera eir kalla til mn, og bja mr a taka minn sta meal eirra slum Valhallar
Hvar hugrakkir mun lifa a eilfu






Avandel
Half-elven


Aug 26 2015, 1:16am


Views: 8124
I have some hope for that troll....

For me, I hope it leads to, somehow:


Because I think the graphic artists were getting material from footage they saw. E.g., for me there's some hope for more "seconds" of dwarf fighting.

And thank you very much BTW for the link!


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 1:16am


Views: 8146
I actually didn't notice the "over 20 minutes" HAHA!

I was so busy looking at the footage I completely ignored everything said or written on screen. But yeah, it'll be 20 minutes longer and more than 20 mins will be new footage. That is an encouraging thought Smile


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Dcole4
Rohan

Aug 26 2015, 1:20am


Views: 8127
Music...

Can't wait to hear the new music for Dain's new entrance, hopefully we'll finally hear those bag-pipes in the film. Likewise, I hope the Coronation makes it in, even if only for a minute, and the bag-pipes return.

Hearing the warg music will also tie in nicely to AUJ.


Faleel
Rohan


Aug 26 2015, 1:23am


Views: 8019
This

This post gets my stamp of approval.


Arveldis
Rivendell


Aug 26 2015, 1:23am


Views: 8033
*Laughs*

 

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Wheeeeeeeeeeee!LaughLaughLaugh (and it's OVER 20 MINUTES OF NEW AND EXTENDED SCENES in case you didn't get that, after the 3rd mention of it....)


That did get on my nerves. "Over twenty minutes of new scenes!" Yes, I didn't hear that the first time. Or the second time. Please do repeat it again. Tongue I stopped listening to him after that.


I didn't even notice the subtitles at the bottom, though; I was too busy looking for new shots. Blush


Faleel
Rohan


Aug 26 2015, 1:26am


Views: 8081
Well

I would assume the ending blast of the Erebor theme from "The Clouds Burst" and the opening of "Battle for the Mountain" would cover some of that.


QueenCirce
Bree

Aug 26 2015, 1:45am


Views: 8094
Fantastic Summary

Great analysis thank you, please correct me if I am wrong. buututtt Is aw some potential new scenes....

1. The giant cave troll jumping onto the ice where Thorin fights Agog
2. The Ram charge towards the elves ( my GOD I hope this is like the book where Gandalf uses the thunderclap and stops the fighting)
3. There was a shot of arrows or javelins going through the air and then being dissovled or something?
3. It doesn't look like much of Dol Guldor has changed :( :( well that we can see for this trailer.)

O_O


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 1:50am


Views: 8090
3. Shot of arrows or javelins

3. There was a shot of arrows or javelins going through the air and then being dissolved or something?

It looks like the elves are going to fire arrows at the dwarves, and the dwarves fire ballistas to knock the arrows out of the sky. How the elves then dodge the falling ballista spears is anyone's guess. Probably create perfect formation gaps which the spears land in.


Avandel
Half-elven


Aug 26 2015, 1:58am


Views: 8175
Newness

*Grins* - where have you been Arveldis? - Having too much fun this summer.......LaughCool


Well, newness - of course there are more elves, and here *sulk* we have precious seconds devoted to a new shot of millions of elves lined up in Dale.....Unimpressed




We've got some potentially promising troll action going on at Erebor:




Bard gets to do some more athletic stuff in Laketown:




And we have some nifty whirly things that seem to handily deal with a volley of elven arrows - I think (never underestimate dwarves....Cool)




So, far as I can tell, it's just enough to be intriguing without spoiling anything juicy.Cool


makingstarwars
Bree

Aug 26 2015, 2:11am


Views: 8007
more battle needed

The battle of five armies paled in comparison to the battles in LOTR


Arveldis
Rivendell


Aug 26 2015, 2:19am


Views: 7971
Lol

I wouldn't say "fun," but I've been busy. Expect a reply to that PM in a couple of days. Smile And badger me if I don't keep to that promise.


So, not to be extremely negative, but I'm seeing action, far too much of a troll's rear end, action, and more action. Although those whirly twirly things look pretty neat. Still, I wouldn't mind a few character moments (I know, I know, I'm still beating that dead horse)... Although I can understand the reasoning behind what was shown in that clip: 1) actions gets people interested and 2) it's hard to edit character scenes so that they flow and fit into the context of the trailer. But I'm still hopeful for the EE...


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 2:26am


Views: 8053
Woah, wait. Smaug entering Erebor??

The words 'World Premiere' are on the bottom as it shows a montage of BotFA clips...

But among all of these clips from BotFA is the shot of Smaug entering Erebor from AUJ. Is this just a randomly selected shot or...

Could there be a flashback involving that entrance, perhaps highlighting the giant bell? Apparently Thrain is in the EE somewhere, could this be where? Perhaps it could even be a prologue?

Or its just a random fun explosion shot Tongue


xxxyyy
Rohan

Aug 26 2015, 2:39am


Views: 7997
So, now it's over 20 minutes of extended footage? //

 


cats16
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 2:49am


Views: 7996
I believe I predicted this one...

I seem to remember predicting Legolas riding upside down on a bat during the battle, sometime around DOS.

Huh! Cool

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lionoferebor
Rohan


Aug 26 2015, 2:53am


Views: 7916
You forgot one thing...

OVER 20 MINUTES OF NEW AND EXTENDED SCENES. Laugh
Seriously, I am glad there is finally some footage of the EE out for our viewing - in some cases scrutinizing - pleasure Cool though I am not sure how I feel about what I saw in this particular trailer. Okay, I know how I feel about Legolas...I'm still groaning. Why PJ? WHY? Mad Aside from that my feelings are mixed at the moment, because past experience has taught me you can not judge a movie by it's trailer.


Kilidoescartwheels
Tol Eressea


Aug 26 2015, 3:22am


Views: 7924
BATTLE RAMS!!!

I'm SO EXCITED!!! Thank you for posting this!

Proud member of the BOFA Denial Association


Nmenrean
The Shire


Aug 26 2015, 3:30am


Views: 7849
elven catapults?

http://i.imgur.com/Nbl1mxf.png


Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Aug 26 2015, 4:18am


Views: 7906
Exactly why I think the Hobbit films are "sub par" compared to LOTR

It's like PJ stopped caring about making Middle-earth feel real Unimpressed

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Avandel
Half-elven


Aug 26 2015, 4:33am


Views: 7862
Not 18. Not 19...

But TWENTY whole minutes...as in 2, 0. Being POLITE we won't talk about the missing 10 minutesEvil.

Agree tho that not many conclusions can be drawn - IMO I wouldn't even call this a trailer, really, more of a multiple night event announcement. I am too wary to hope, but will consider if the chariot is there, then at least a few dwarves like Fili will have SOME presence.

I'm not even perturbed about Legolas at the moment, as long as that stuff is just seconds. At the moment I was less thrilled about the overshot of Dale with the CGI elves - it's those kind of aerial shots that look fake to me and IMO this one was not needed - I could perfectly interpolate that Thranduil had moved an army into position. Normally wouldn't matter but with 20 minutes! I would rather hear from Bombur, finally.


NecromancerRising
Gondor


Aug 26 2015, 5:02am


Views: 7792
I agree about new the Dain entrance.

It will replace existing footage just like many of the Thrain shots in DOS EE. Since the battle rams are heavily included in this new entrance, it is a safe bet to assume that we will definitely see them play a part in the battle.What exactly will be, remains to be seen. Smile

I wouldn't pay too much attention to Legola's new stuff. I am pretty sure it will only last some seconds.

Bring it on alreadyCool

"You cannot find peace by avoiding life"


Eldorion
Gondor


Aug 26 2015, 5:12am


Views: 7855
Should it be Ironhoof?

I thought it was bizarre that the guy with the nickname "Ironfoot" was the only one in his army who rode into battle. I guess having full cavalry with him helps, but I still think it's kinda weird. Tongue



There's a feeling I get, when I look to the West...



Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea


Aug 26 2015, 5:16am


Views: 7797
I still find it amusing...

...when Thorin hops onto a battle ram near the end of the film. It's like, hey PJ, you forgot that you deleted these things from earlier in the film. Where'd they come from? Tongue

For me, these extended editions are far more what the theatrical cuts should have been. They feel like they're reinserting (mostly) essential bits rather than superfluous material (I felt this way very strongly about DoS).

"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that."
- Viggo Mortensen


Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea


Aug 26 2015, 5:21am


Views: 7825
I've made my peace with it.

...the CGI dominance, the digital cinematography, the defiance of the laws of physics (like a lot of action movies these days), etc.

It is what it is. I still enjoy the movies a lot. Smile

"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that."
- Viggo Mortensen


NecromancerRising
Gondor


Aug 26 2015, 5:21am


Views: 7701
In the film

we did not see Ironfoot. Instead, we witnessed an "Ironhead" since he could take down full armored Orcs just with a headbutt. That was the most amusing part of allLaugh

"You cannot find peace by avoiding life"


Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Aug 26 2015, 5:24am


Views: 7824
Yeah me too

I do love the movies, and they have some lovely moments. And there's some things that can't be faulted, like the music, the costumes, the set decoration... in the end I'm glad we even got the movies, and can be here discussing them with some really nice people Smile

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Smaug the iron
Gondor

Aug 26 2015, 6:26am


Views: 7733
Yes

I love the scene with Bard in Lake town.Heart


Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea


Aug 26 2015, 6:34am


Views: 7826
I can't wait to see this.

I could gripe about the absurd Legolas stunt Tongue, but the rest of those shots are awesome. So many money shots, along with what looks like some crucial sequences (how on earth did PJ cut out the elves and the dwarves fighting?!).

Like AUJ and DoS before it, I have a feeling that this will feel like the real film instead of the truncated version we got (seriously, what was going on in the editing room for these movies...Crazy).

I really wish we got a clip today. I'd love to see a smaller, more intimate moment to go along with with these shots.

"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that."
- Viggo Mortensen


Dipling
Lorien

Aug 26 2015, 7:03am


Views: 7745
I hope...

they add some "dirt" to the battle. It's too clean.

Azanulbizar looks more like a dirty battle.


NoelGallagher
Rohan


Aug 26 2015, 7:03am


Views: 7729
This trailer is another disappointment

At least, to me.

I actually felt like "How shall this day end? "watching it.


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Arannir
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 7:06am


Views: 7744
:/

Well, looks like the beginning of the battle could be different, at least. That is good.

But that Legolas shot... And the one with the arrows and whatever destroys them... And the chariot defying gravity and physics. Three or four new shots and at least two-three OTT moments in them already...



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NoelGallagher
Rohan


Aug 26 2015, 7:11am


Views: 7629
Again im with you, Arannir

The new battle scenes have written -Level up- all over it.


Dipling
Lorien

Aug 26 2015, 7:14am


Views: 7644
BOTFA color grading

still bothers me. It doesn't look "natural" and it doesn't help in all the CGI shots.


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Aug 26 2015, 7:26am


Views: 7687
elves vs dwarves

I think actually seeing the elves and dwarves fire upon each other will add some extra meaning to the elves coming to the dwarves' aid at the last second. It was already a great moment, but this could be one of those times when the new context from the EE improves upon an already great moment, like how the extended Mirkwood sequence gave the butterfly scene a greater significance.


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea

Aug 26 2015, 7:32am


Views: 7603
Could that be the Thrain flashback moment?

Iin the middle of the quick shots of the battle of the five armies new scenes we see out of nowhere a shot of the prologue in wich Smaug breaks trough the gate of Erebor, could this be somekind of flashback? It was meant to appear some flashback involving Thrain right?

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Smaug the iron
Gondor

Aug 26 2015, 7:36am


Views: 7680
How exactly dose the chariot defying physics?

And the dwarfs crossbow seen in the trailer is destroying the arrows.


DwellerInDale
Rohan


Aug 26 2015, 7:55am


Views: 7654
Not so fast on the physics

The quick shot of the chariot (1:29) merely shows it going over a ridge, which causes it to become airborne for a second or so. That doesn't violate any laws of gravity or physics; cars do it all the time going over a bump or the crest of a hill at high speed.

Don't mess with my favorite female elf.






Arannir
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 8:22am


Views: 7588
I agree I should not be so quick to judge.

However, a chariot driving down this slope with this speed, bumping like this... I don't see this being realistic. But fitting for a trilogy that had a sequence such as Goblin Town...



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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea

Aug 26 2015, 8:33am


Views: 7479
looks like its only Balin on the chariot

perhaps the others use the battle rams aswell

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dormouse
Half-elven


Aug 26 2015, 8:37am


Views: 7542
Hello - I would just like to cheer this lonely little post....

..and say YES (quite loud, for a mouse). If Legolas has to fly upside down - and he does already do that in the film, it isn't new - I would like to see how he does it. That's all. It need only take a second, or less.

And I'm chuckling now because after weeks (months?) of begging and pleading and worriting about the EE - would we ever see something from it? why were 'they' holding it back, and so on - what do people do the minute something appears? They go over it with a fine tooth comb looking for things to gripe about! Wink

Here's what I saw - a reminder of what a massive achievement this whole trilogy is. A glimpse of the story as a whole - very dramatic, very tub-thumping and focussed on action, but that's in the nature of a trailer. Lots of scenes flashing past so quickly that I couldn't really take it all in - the new things came and went so quickly - but there do seem to be a lot of new things.


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea

Aug 26 2015, 8:44am


Views: 7552
I have to confess

that I liked a lot the barrel chase including Legolas stunts, and that I liked seeing this

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Arannir
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 8:46am


Views: 7490
Amen to that.


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In Reply To
That Legolas shot though..... REALLY?Unsure


I love PJ for giving us the LotR films (and many parts of the Hobbit films), but I just can't do anything but shake my head at stuff like that.

Where is the PJ that told his crew at the beginning of the LotR production to strive for realism and a true sense of history?
Unsure



Propelling windlances to destroy a volley of Elven arrows... sure. Unimpressed


I know this must seem extremely negative to people who are happy with the trilogy. And I know there is still room for a lot more in the EE. This is just an action focused commercial for the EE theatrical release.

However, it is to those having issues with this trilogy surely also a reminder of what they disliked about it in the first place (physics, colour grading, video gamish sequences, Legolas going OTT, etc.).



"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien

We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.



Arannir
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 8:49am


Views: 7553
Me too.

A lot of this scene works really well for me, too - especially when the camera is close to the Dwarves amidst the waves and water.

The absurdness worked much better in this scene, imho, then for example Goblin Town or Ravenhill (where it killed suspension of disbelief and tension, imho).



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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea

Aug 26 2015, 8:52am


Views: 7458
Yeah

it was so over the top that PJ himself took it without shame wich I appreciate, you can feel he took care in doing it that way

On the other hand at goblointown and ravenhill it seems it is more a case of lack of imagination

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NecromancerRising
Gondor


Aug 26 2015, 9:03am


Views: 8012
I agree about Goblintown.

The lack of imagination was obvious for me. But i cannot agree at all at the sequences of Ravenhill. Thorin vs Azog and Legolas vs Bolg, while pretty lengthy and over the top, were masterfully crafted and did not lack imagination at all.

I love the Barrels sequence with the wonderful Legolas stunts which reminded me much of "Crouching Tiger,Hidden Dragon"

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Glorfindela
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 9:13am


Views: 7989
I know I predicted it

Along with him simultaneously firing laser beams from a light sabre thing at all and sundry, traversing ceilings upside-down and other such 'delights'. It seems to have provided PJ with some ideas the 'reality' was actually worse than I imagined. Truly horrible and we are to get MORE of this?

I certainly won't be rushing to buy this EE (though as a completest I may eventually want to have it for the packaging in the UK).


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I seem to remember predicting Legolas riding upside down on a bat during the battle, sometime around DOS.




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Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Aug 26 2015, 9:20am


Views: 7935
So you're the one to blame for putting this thought out into the universe :D

I hereby declare PJ absolved of this crime against the laws of physics Laugh

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Smaug the iron
Gondor

Aug 26 2015, 9:21am


Views: 7899
The R rating is at the end.

At 2.22


Arannir
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 9:24am


Views: 7962
Yes.

If at least the re-used stuff would be replaced... that they did not even delete the shadows of the spiders simply seemed so careless. I am sure they only did that because of time pressure... and therefore hope the EE will improve these scenes. DG is a complete mess in the TE IMHO. Not only story-telling wise but espercially from a film-making point of view... the editing is not worthy of that crew. I know they can do better.



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Smaug the iron
Gondor

Aug 26 2015, 10:13am


Views: 7832
Bilbo fighting is not new.

It is in the theatrical version.


combedstew
Registered User


Aug 26 2015, 10:52am


Views: 7807
Speaking of bilbo.....

Does anyone have a rough idea on how much more bilbo we could get? I really, really, really want that acorn planting thing in dale. Oh and a brief encounter between Dain and Master Baggins would be great. Actually anything to do with Bilbo will satisfy meSmileWinkSmile

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Arannir
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 11:23am


Views: 7795
I am sure...

... we will see a lot of him at the funeral.

Anything that might include the future of Bard and Dain might also be told through Bilbo's eyes... maybe Gandalf explaining to him what will happen.



"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien

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QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 11:47am


Views: 7790
I suggested the same thing above. Maybe it's a prologue? //

 


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 11:51am


Views: 7731
I think that might be the dwarves' swirly things...

I imaging the swirly things destroy the arrows and then the elves quickly move in formation to dodge them as they land.

Where are the Laketown men in this shot?

(yes I'm aware the subject sounds unintentionally rude)


(This post was edited by QuackingTroll on Aug 26 2015, 11:52am)


Arannir
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 12:22pm


Views: 7759
God... the Elves look more like a clone army then the Orcs in TTT and RotK ever did...

...



"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien

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adt100
Rohan


Aug 26 2015, 12:43pm


Views: 7710
With the exception of the Legolas shot I was happy

More Legolas is really NOT needed for an EE, but the other brief shots dotted across the clip seemed positive to me. More Beorn, more actual battle, more dol guldur, more Dain, rams, the chariot. Hopefully the BOFA EE trailer/clip will be here soon and show a little more.


adt100
Rohan


Aug 26 2015, 12:45pm


Views: 7662
Probably best just to reliase now that you and many others aren't going to like the EE //

 


adt100
Rohan


Aug 26 2015, 12:48pm


Views: 7690
Fair enough, but it's a fantasy adventure film...

How many times in 'real' life films do we see car chases etc where cars make huge jumps and flips randomly, then burst into enormous explosions on any kind of impact. TOTALLY unrealistic on all levels but we accept them as part of the action and 'fun'.


Arannir
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 12:56pm


Views: 7616
Suspension of disbelief.

It is not necessarily a question of being realistic or not. It is whether one can accept what one sees... suspension of disbelief.

My issue with it is not physics per se but the missing element of real danger and tension.


When it comes accepting that I will not like the EE... no. As I said, there will be over 20 minutes of new material, the hope of exchanged stuff plus 8 or 9 hours of extras, plus the commentary.

I am very much looking forward to it and will enjoy most of it... the movie itself, maybe not. But you will have to deal with my comments, I am afraid ;)



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dormouse
Half-elven


Aug 26 2015, 1:39pm


Views: 7644
I don't think ....

...God has much to do with it, do you?

And it seems to me the elf army look exactly as they looked in the TE.....

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry, watching a small handful - sorry, 'vast majority' - of fans getting one another thoroughly worked up over this one poor little trailer. It's only 2 minutes 19 seconds long. Given that it covers three films, and some of it is given over to text, that's barely 45 seconds per film - and then it includes scenes from the theatrical version. And you're already writing off the EE, which you haven't seen....


NecromancerRising
Gondor


Aug 26 2015, 1:49pm


Views: 7611
Not only the elf army looks exactly

like it did in the TE but i cannot find a significant difference to how the elves look like here with the aerial shot of the Rohirrim during Theoden's speech outside Pelennor or even the aerial and panoramic shots of all huge armies in both trilogies. I am not sure why the Elves here must cause an issue to be honest.Unimpressed

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Imladris18
Lorien


Aug 26 2015, 1:53pm


Views: 7654
THEY SHOWED 1 SECOND OF NEW LEGOLAS

THIS IS THE END TIMES!

PJ = LITERALLY HITLER

Crazy

They aren't going to show the meaty bits everyone here has been clamoring for in a 2 minute hype trailer filled with action scenes that covers ALL 3 extended editions. I'll laugh and cry with you watching this place implode.



Arannir
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 2:05pm


Views: 7520
Not sure where I mentioned a vast majority in that context.

This wasn't directly addressed at the EE, though. I just dislike the cloned look of the wide shots of the armies, particularly when they are not Orcish (where the uniform look is kind of fitting). Already disliked that in the prologue of AUJ.

I am not getting worked up about that trailer... I am making observations, discuss them, mention them, etc. My life is not crumbling, no worries ;)

I have also not seen one post here that suggested that someone has already written off the EE because of the trailer.



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(This post was edited by Arannir on Aug 26 2015, 2:07pm)


Arannir
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 2:12pm


Views: 7587
As said above, not a EE issue.

I meant in general... I dislike that wide shots of the Elven armies in the Hobbit (AUJ prologue and gates of Erebor).

Even the Isengart scene with Saruman sending off his troops didn't look that cloned and artifical (and there was a point to the uniform nature of the army), imho, nor the Pelennor Rohirrim scene. The perfect way the ELves are positioned here does not do much for me.

No worries, this does not ruin my enjoyment of a scene... the screenshot that was posted just reminded me of these issue I have with those scenes (and already had with the TE).



"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien

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(This post was edited by Arannir on Aug 26 2015, 2:13pm)


Arannir
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 2:15pm


Views: 7478
I do not really see where you see that kind of over-reaction.

Some people are fed up with Legolas defying gravity and doing stunts... and the trailer indicates more of that. So some people say they could have done without that... not really an overreaction.



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Arannir
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 2:17pm


Views: 7450
Music of "Battle for the Mountain"

I really hope this new arrival of Dain and beginning of the battle will feature the great music that (on the OST )comes after the Azog motif at the beginning of "The Battle for the Mountain".

That music with some great battle shots would be really, really nice to see and hear.



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Avandel
Half-elven


Aug 26 2015, 2:42pm


Views: 7447
*LOL*


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They aren't going to show the meaty bits everyone here has been clamoring for in a 2 minute hype trailer filled with action scenes that covers ALL 3 extended editions.


Agreed. For me - reminds me of the way I felt about the first DOS trailer, way back - so elf-packedShocked...and then, for me, the DOS EE was satisfyingly dwarf-filled, w. lot of other great stuff too like the High Fells. Also through that summer before DOS, even the blogs pretty well hid RA and MF off camera, and Beorn - lot of secrecy pre DOS and BOFA.

Tho it may well be that this EE is the film that should have been the TE, so what we really need is a Super Deluxe EETongue, so there's more to hope for in the future - e.g. a complete re-cut of the film or films. Because I'm greedyEvil and too much is not enough.Tongue




Avandel
Half-elven


Aug 26 2015, 2:58pm


Views: 7398
*grins* - I for one am cheered at the moment....

BATTLE RAMS Dormouse.TongueTongueTongue AND a WAR CHARIOT.HeartHeartHeart

Plus the more I see those whirly things taking out a volley of arrows, the funnier it is - my little dwarves - so badass and clever! I hope WETA makes a collectible version tho I guess it's time for me to research siege weapons, as I don't think they are called "whirly things". Some Medieval specialist in weaponry is cringing at the thought.Laugh

Of course any number of us would love a precious glimpse of the true treasures of EreborTongue, among other things. But between the "leaks" of the TV spots? from the TE and a few glimpses here, I personally would show little else if I were PJ. The cat will be out of the bag anyway with the theater viewings.Unsure


Imladris18
Lorien


Aug 26 2015, 3:01pm


Views: 7432
It's obviously hyperbole.

Reactions go a bit farther than people saying, "I could have done without that."



Imladris18
Lorien


Aug 26 2015, 3:04pm


Views: 7886
Agreed

There's some really great stuff in the OST that was either very understated or completely omitted that I'd like to see featured in its full glory.



brotherbeck
Rivendell

Aug 26 2015, 3:58pm


Views: 7802
Reaction To This Trailer

As someone who was extremely disappointed with and ultimately let down by the theatrical cut of TBOTFA, I have to say my reaction to this trailer has been extremely positive. Surprisingly so in fact. I actually get the same rush of excitement watching it as I did during the "Will you follow me one last time?" trailer that came out before the film. THIS seems more like the film I was hoping for after that preview.

Yes, there will always be choices I disagree with and things I would have done differently, but this is PJ's film not mine. My biggest problem with TBOTFA at the end of the day is the pacing / editing, as I feel it completely neuters the film and severs any emotional connection I might have had with the material. This makes things like Alfrid Lickspittle or super hero Legolas more troublesome to me as I'm not as engaged in the rest of the film as I should be. Plus I have to echo what some other people have been saying in that the emotionally resonant character scenes that many of us die-hards are craving, like the alleged acorn scene, really do not make for good trailer material at all. I am sure some of these scenes made it in too, they just are not what are going to be used to get butts into seats, so to speak. Not that I agree with such sentiments, but that is just the reality of movie marketing these days.

What is frustrating to me is that after five Tolkien-themed Middle-Earth films that each made close to A BILLION dollars (!!!!) at the box office, if PJ needed twenty more minutes to craft the best version of this third Hobbit film for theaters they really should have given it to him.


tattooed_dwarf
Rivendell


Aug 26 2015, 4:57pm


Views: 7625
Dwarven moments

I really hope we get to see every single company dwarf to get screentime especially in battle.


Cirashala
Tol Eressea


Aug 26 2015, 5:51pm


Views: 7560
Army uniformity

The elf army shots don't bother me simply because the whole idea of army discipline is....uniformity.

You have Thranduil, who is the king and clad differently. But the rest of his army (save for Legolas and Tauriel, who understandably aren't armoured at all as they weren't in Mirkwood prepping like the others were) are all in the same armor, aka the same uniform.

The elves aren't the American soldiers in the Revolutionary War making do with whatever they happened to have at home through their varied occupations. They ARE going to be dressed/armoured uniformly because:

1. They're elves. They aren't lacking for time to make armour as they are immortal, and
2. Army discipline, and
3. It's rather confusing in a battle if chaos is happening around you and every person in your army is dressed differently- I know elves have good eyesight and all, but don't you think that (what is it? 1,000 elves?) being dressed differently might mean that one could conceivably see something out of the corner of their eye and kill it before realizing "oops, that guy was on my side...."?

Army uniforms have uniforms, even for battle, simply because they need to know even at a passing glance or corner of the eye that this person is a part of their army and not the enemy. There are some (modern day) insignia differentiating rank, but if you look at an organized, professional army, even several hundred years ago, from the air- they DO look strikingly similar simply because the uniforms don't have a ton of variation other than possible indications of rank.

You can't see much of their faces, especially at a distance, and they are obscured partly by the helmets. So how did you expect a prepared army with strong discipline and some measure of armour uniformity to appear from a distance?

The American soldiers in the Revolutionary War weren't soldiers (most of them anyway)- they were farmers and blacksmiths and shopkeepers and apprentices and inn keepers and politicians and doctors and lawyers and tradesmen, and they went to war wearing what they had (with some measure of color uniformity) whether it be farmer's boots or fancy buckle shoes, breeches or trousers. There wasn't the uniformity BECAUSE they weren't soldiers.

This elf army ARE soldiers, professionals. They each have their "gi issue" armor, their weaponry, their discipline that, for example, the Laketowners lacked. So they're bound to look similar, especially from an aerial perspective.



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Arannir
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 6:12pm


Views: 7535
Well..

... as I said it is not so much their similar look and same uniform. It is the extreme symmetric lineup... One totally straight line, same distances between each soldier, almost same hight etc.

But I do not want to make so much out of this, it didn't bother me THAT much ;)



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Arandir
Gondor


Aug 26 2015, 7:08pm


Views: 7524
Why Arannir is right about the "cloned" Elves

I agree completely with Arannir's comments about the massive golden block that is supposed to be the Elven army.

It's not about the Extended Edition shots. I had issues with this even during the TE, but the couple of shots we've seen in this trailer seem to add further insult to injury.

Yes elves are supposed to be uniform and walk in an almost robotic-like perfection, but the wide shots with the over-synchronized marching or standing, really jars with the "human" element of other shots.

If you see the scene when Bard first witnesses the camped Elves in Dale and they turn round to make way for him, or when Bard pleads with Thranduil and you see the elves marching past, you know they are real actors.

These shots are beautiful and believable because there is a human element in that. Whilst the synchronization is good, there's just enough subtle human fallibility that retains that realism. When you then show a shot made up completely of CGI elves performing computerised movements, it does scream out at you that the close-up elves and the wide shot elves are two vastly different elements. They need to blend seamlessly.

If they had to go with the full CGI elves in the wide shots, at least they could have removed some of the rigidity and roboticness to instill some realism.

So yes, I'm one of those who finds these shots completely off. I still enjoy the scenes, but they're definitely an unnecessary distraction.

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Dipling
Lorien

Aug 26 2015, 7:22pm


Views: 7559
Exactly

Those little human movements are missing.
Like here:
https://www.youtube.com/...youtu.be&t=0m55s
or here in background marching:
https://www.youtube.com/...youtu.be&t=0m44s


Avandel
Half-elven


Aug 26 2015, 7:35pm


Views: 7367
very disciplined but


Quote
This elf army ARE soldiers, professionals. They each have their "gi issue" armor, their weaponry, their discipline that, for example, the Laketowners lacked. So they're bound to look similar, especially from an aerial perspective.


Well yes - but - the first thing I thought of was bowling pins. And then I thought that through these movies one of the things I like the least is often - not always - the use of aerial shots. PJ & co. seemed excited, for instance, about the shot of Bilbo from above running through the Shire, but I didn't find it very interesting, and think more time should have been spent up close.

Other shots I think, like the dwarves running toward's Beorn's house or into Erebor, are pretty effective.

And the last thing I thought on seeing a CGI elven army all through Dale - again - time could be better spent on something else, because for me, they looked like bowling pins. On the other hand, maybe they are painted Q-tips. I've never gotten it out of my head re reading that, that the audience in the stands for Anakin's pod race in SW was painted Q-tips - was never the same, knowing that.Cool


dormouse
Half-elven


Aug 26 2015, 10:03pm


Views: 7374
No - he isn't right or wrong, he's just expressing a point of view....

... which some of us don't agree with.

The elves look and move in a disciplined way because that's what armies are supposed to do. And don't forget, being elves and not human, they've had thousands and thousands of years to practise! Wink


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 26 2015, 10:16pm


Views: 7441
It's the close-ups that bother me...

Particularly the scene where Bard unveils the Arkenstone, the elves behind him all have the same blank mannequin face. It's actually kinda creepy.


Avandel
Half-elven


Aug 26 2015, 11:42pm


Views: 7298
LOL


Quote
Particularly the scene where Bard unveils the Arkenstone, the elves behind him all have the same blank mannequin face. It's actually kinda creepy.


Hahaha - it IS creepy. It's a blank-faced clone of the same guy.LaughLaughLaugh


Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Aug 27 2015, 4:28am


Views: 7265
Oh I noticed that at first viewing...

All the Elves have the same blank expression in that shot. Also in the AUJ prologue shot where Thranduil mounts the rise and looks down on Erebor.

Once again, I compare these shots to the LOTR prologue where, although we had a massive CGI Elven army, it all looked so real.

I think the problem is that PJ and company spent so much time tinkering around with the CGI, that it all began to look pretty normal to them - they failed to see that, for someone with a fresh set of eyes, it is rather jarring and obvious.

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(This post was edited by Earl on Aug 27 2015, 4:29am)


Dipling
Lorien

Aug 27 2015, 6:37am


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AUJ

All the AUJ scenes give me that nice, warm feeling. Have to see it again Smile


Dipling
Lorien

Aug 27 2015, 10:54am


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Elven army uniforms

When the rams are running downhill, elven army looks really weird. The problem may lie in the color of their uniform. As everything else is also brownish gold.
Also in Dale the color of the uniforms doesn't look right.

Maybe it's just bad video quality.

But that are just minor problems. I can hardly wait to see and buy the EE.


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Arandir
Gondor


Aug 27 2015, 1:22pm


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Quite right - it IS my opinion

Hence the use of the title "Why Arannir is right..."

I don't expect everyone to agree with me, of course not.

As for the discipline of Elves - very true they've had thousands of years of practice, but I don't recall anyone every complaining about the slight inconsistencies with the Galadhrim elves marching in Helm's Deep and their salute.

It's clear that they're real extras, and the fact that they've synchronised themselves as best as they can, makes that moment wonderful to behold.

The mass body of the Elven army in BOTFA moves too much like some computerised mathematical formula. It gives it an unreal aspect which, for a fantasy (ironic as it may sound) does not do. You want as believable a reality as possible.

LoTR achieved that in many ways and its limitations in computer use is what makes it more realistic.

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Dipling
Lorien

Aug 27 2015, 3:37pm


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Agree

It is interesting how WETA Digital can't make digital elves to look (faces) and move better.