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Thranduil Appreciation Thread Part XXVIII



Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Dec 10 2014, 6:15pm


Views: 3159
     Thranduil Appreciation Thread Part XXVIII

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- Spoiler avoidance alert:
* There be spoilers since TAXVII due to the DOS EE, and BotFA media releases. Viewing in threaded mode is a better way to go about it if you're keen to avoid them, as you can check the sub-thread titles before you see anything you might regret... though what's to regret when it comes to Thranduil Pretty!, eh?
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XXVII (Thread by Lurker in the Mirk)

And now back to your regularly scheduled Thranduil AppreciationHeart

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Thanks to VValar and Lurker's thread tipping, and excitement over the LA premier it's time for TA XXVIII!!! Enjoy!Smile

Rolling on with the appreciation for His Fabulous MajestyHeart



Any and all appreciation of HeartThranduil and everything related to him happens here.
All HeartThranduil Thralls, and appreciating non-Thralls are welcome.Smile
So feel free to jump in at any time!





The Thranduil Appreciation thread count:
I | II (Originating threads by Rowan Greene) | III | IV | V | VI (Threads by Lurker in the Mirk)
VII (Thread by Eruvandi) | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII | XIV (Threads by Lurker in the Mirk)
XV (Thread by Eruvandi) | XVI (Thread by Lurker in the Mirk) | XVII (Thread by VValar) | XVIII
XIX | XX | XXI | XXII | XXIII | XXIV | XXV (Threads by Lurker in the Mirk) | XXVI (Thread by Eruvandi) | XXVII (Thread by Lurker in the Mirk)

Thranduil Appreciation Lexicon aka the little TAspeak garden Tongue
  • BTS Easter Egg Find (aka BEEF): Those moments in the BTS when Thranduil/LP flashes by (see Unexpected Flash of Elf) on screen or some information is found. See also "Ninja-Hugger"
  • Bubba: Nickname of Thranduil's beloved War-Elk. See also "Maximum Fabulosity Exposure"
  • Equal Opportunistic Thrall: One who thralls whom her/his infidelity fancies. Shamelessly multi-allegiance by nature. See also "Thranduil Thralls"
  • Elvenking, The: That's right, that's how it's supposed to be written
  • Facemelt: That thing Thranduil does in T&T
  • Fanart: Popular post subject/title. Beacon for Thralls, as sure as moths dive into flames. See also "Pretty!"
    (Helpful reference for the threadlard inspired: See the "IMAGES" section of "The TA (very) Quickie Help/TIPS for adding IMAGES and POSTING" sections in this README FOR ALL TA Posters)
  • FEAST: Shorthand for Flustered Elrond AND Sassy Thranduil. In honour of Thranduil sass/badassery resulting in Elrond raising his eyebrows disapprovingly. May involve dramatic Elrond temple-rubbing. Elrond's fluster can be induced remotely or by proxy and does not require Elrond to be present when Thranduil does his thang. See also "FLAST", "FEASTING"
  • FEASTING: Shorthand for Flustered Elrond AND Sassy Thranduil Including Not-impressed Galadriel. Extension of FEAST, which includes Galadriel, also in disapproval mode, i.e. Elrond's fluster conditions in FEAST apply here for both Elrond and Galadriel
  • FLAST: Shorthand for Flustered Leggy AND Sassy Thranduil. In honour of the worship for badass (maybe a smidgeon of oblivious in there somewhere) Thranduil and his actions/non-actions resulting in Legolas getting into a flap. Requires Legolas to be present when Thranduil does his thang. See also "FEAST"
  • GotG: Guardians of the Galaxy. That movie in August 2014 with LP in it
  • HCF: Halt and Catch Fire. LP's 2014 TV series.
  • Hair of Thranduil (aka HoT) Appreciation. Appreciation for Thranduil's gloriously silken beautiful platinum blond locks.
  • High Thud Risk (aka HTR): Alert for Pretty! hoarding thralls, invoked when 'EI' ain't cutting it. See also "Pretty!"
  • LA/LAEM: The Last Alliance of Elves and Men, not the city in the States
  • Lee Pace: Thranduil
  • Leggy: affectionate diminutive of Legolas
  • Legolas: Son of Thranduil, aka surfer Elf of LotR
  • LP: Lee Pace
  • Maximum Fabulosity Exposure (aka MFE): Thranduil's complete magnificence doing anything. Inspired by his awesome cool when riding Bubba the War-Elk. See also "Bubba"
  • Ninja-Hugger: Specifically LP dispensing hugs. Not that he hugs ninjas, but because he's sneaky like a ninja when he hugs people in the TH Vlogs and appendices and it takes everyone forever to realize it was even him, usually because he's back to camera when he bounces into frame. Will the sneaky hugging never end? We hope not! See also "BTS Easter Egg Find", "Unexpected Flash of Elf"
  • Oropher: Father of Thranduil
  • Orry/Oro: affectionate diminutive of Oropher
  • PD: Pushing Daisies. LP's 2007/2008 TV series
  • Pretty!: Surely self-explanatory? See also "Woodland Weekend", "High Thud Risk"
  • Silent Thread Visitor (aka STV): Self-explanatory, also known as Silent Thread Reader. STVs, Thranduil has a question for you. What say you? Smile
  • T&T: The Thranduil and Thorin confrontation scene in DOS. Generally ranked top favourite of Thranduil Thralls
  • TA: Thranduil Appreciation. All-round Heart for the Elvenking and his onscreen avatar (and by extension teh actor. See also LP). Shockingly, there are TA posts with that literary bent associated with thinking individuals frequenting such an exemplary forum as TORn. Some even hint at functional brain-matter in the poster.
  • That disagreeable (among other things) Dwarf: See "T&T"
  • Theory of Bling: Overarching term for theories and speculation on the backstories of Thranduil's rings. Popular discussion circa TAIII/TAIV, but still pops up occasionally.
  • Thranddy: affectionateHeart diminutive of the Elvenking's name (if you don't know who is the Elvenking, google is your mellon)
  • Thrandfully: The right manner on how to express your thankfulness to all Thranduil-related and non-related subjects
  • Thranduil Thralls: The afflicted. Fangirls, and boys, whose allegiance are pledged to the Elvenking. Also known as the hopelessly enthralled to his ELVEN MAGNIFICENCE. Perturbing to some, Thralldom may not be exclusive. Credit goes to Eowyn of Penns Woods for the "official" Thranduil Thrall moniker. See also "Equal Opportunistic Thrall"
  • Threadlock: The inevitable fate of all TA threads exceeding 200 replies, aka mundane Chore of Mod. See also "Thread tipping"
  • Thread tipping: Post(s) that sends the current TA thread over the 200 replies threshold See also "Threadlock".
    (See the "AVOIDING GENERIC POST-DEATH" and "AVOIDING POST- DEATH FROM THREADLOCK" sections in this README FOR ALL TA Posters).
  • Unexpected Flash of Elf (aka UFE): Those moments in the TH BTS, Vlogs when Thranduil/LP flashes by. See also "BTS Easter Egg Find", "Ninja-Hugger"
  • Woodland Weekend (aka WW): Occasional mega URL laden post for Pretty! of Thranduil, and LP. May also include goodness for Legolas, *cough*That disagreeable (among other things) Dwarf*cough* and some others. Selective indiscrimination is key. See also "Pretty!", "High Thud Risk"

  • [Click here for the general TORnspeak lexicon]


    Keeping track of the appreciation
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    Also, if you click on the "creation" bit in the "Age" column (last one) when you view a forum, it changes to "activity", and you get a list of threads which has been recently posted to, instead of when they were started. It's a much easier way to find the current TA thread since someone will probably post in it, and it usually appears on page 1 of the activity view. Certainly beats going back through the board to look for it.


    "The skies don't seem to be as dark as usual
    The stars seem brighter than they've been before
    And deep within I feel my soul is stirring
    As though my hope has been restored.

    The shepherds say they've heard the voice of angels
    Confirming rumors spread across the land
    That a child protected well from Herod's anger
    Is our Father's Son and the Son of Man.

    Love is raining down on the world tonight
    There's a presence here I can tell
    God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emanuel."
    ~Amy Grant "God is With Us"

    (This post was edited by dernwyn on Dec 11 2014, 4:45pm)


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 10 2014, 6:18pm


    Views: 2077
         Just because it should appear at least once in every TA thread...



    Mwahahaha!SmileWinkLaughEvil

    *sneaks away to start loading up this thread with replies to the old thread*

    "The skies don't seem to be as dark as usual
    The stars seem brighter than they've been before
    And deep within I feel my soul is stirring
    As though my hope has been restored.

    The shepherds say they've heard the voice of angels
    Confirming rumors spread across the land
    That a child protected well from Herod's anger
    Is our Father's Son and the Son of Man.

    Love is raining down on the world tonight
    There's a presence here I can tell
    God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emanuel."
    ~Amy Grant "God is With Us"


    macfalk
    Valinor


    Dec 10 2014, 6:18pm


    Views: 2164
         My fav Thrandy scene in BOFA **SPOILERS**

    Was when he charged with his great elk through a bunch of orcs and his elk pinned like 10 of them on its enormous horns, and Thrandy decapitated them all in one swing of the sword!

    The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.

    (This post was edited by dernwyn on Dec 11 2014, 11:10am)


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 10 2014, 6:26pm


    Views: 2060
         *waves to macfalk*

    Nice to see you in the TA thread, macfalk.Smile Nice to hear that Bubba the war elk gets to share some of the action with his fabulous owner too!

    "The skies don't seem to be as dark as usual
    The stars seem brighter than they've been before
    And deep within I feel my soul is stirring
    As though my hope has been restored.

    The shepherds say they've heard the voice of angels
    Confirming rumors spread across the land
    That a child protected well from Herod's anger
    Is our Father's Son and the Son of Man.

    Love is raining down on the world tonight
    There's a presence here I can tell
    God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emanuel."
    ~Amy Grant "God is With Us"


    ltnjmy
    Rivendell


    Dec 10 2014, 6:33pm


    Views: 2025
         quite right

    I love this lap image about the end of the journey Blush


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 10 2014, 6:47pm


    Views: 2136
         thranduil **SPOILERS**

    Hi i'm new. Do you always have reply to someone if you want to make a post?

    I saw the movie last night. I wish we got to see more of thranduil fighting instead of legolas. There was much more of legolas in action than thranduil.


    (This post was edited by dernwyn on Dec 11 2014, 11:10am)


    Glorfindela
    Valinor


    Dec 10 2014, 6:53pm


    Views: 2054
         No

    You can create your own post quite easily. On the right-hand side of the page it says 'Post new', and if you click on that it will enable you to create a post. And welcome to the forum – I quite agree with you about Thranduil and Legolas!


    In Reply To
    Hi i'm new. Do you always have reply to someone if you want to make a post?

    I saw the movie last night. I wish we got to see more of thranduil fighting instead of legolas. There was much more of legolas in action than thranduil.



    CathrineB
    Rohan


    Dec 10 2014, 7:01pm


    Views: 2084
         Ugh

    I love Thranduil. I love that we got a lot more of him in BOTFA. Lee Pace is an amazing actor.
    At times I sat there thinking "Good god he's amazing" be it for his acting or his looks Laugh He looks very elvish. Also he was highly appericiated in a Norwegian review which made me really happy.


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 10 2014, 7:14pm


    Views: 2045
         Replies to stuff about the LA premier

    Lurker: Piccies... looking beardlessly dapper is the Elvenking

    Wow, so many great pics! *swoon* I don't know how some people mange to collect and post them so fast! I think my two faves are this funny one and this collection of LP smiles and smoulders.Cool

    Kerewyn:
    How beardlessly dapper in that double-breasted suit!

    Quote
    Really, all these images are just swoon-worthy. Heart And I love the brown and blue plaid suits too. And his wearing of brown shoes with blue suit with confidence (not that that's a fashion sin or anything)

    Love that pic within the yuna
    -ya tumblr link, some fans just holding up a big sign saying "Lee Pace, cone here." Just getting straight to the point - looked like it worked too.

    Looks like both LP and EL decided to go for classic, "old-school" fashion statements which I always love! They looked great in those pics together.Heart

    LOL on the sign the fans were holding! Whatever works, right?Smile


    Some thoughts on seeing LP on the TORn live stream of the LA premier: I'm just so glad LP showed up to this premier and that the Happy Hobbits FINALLY got to talk to him. For a minute I thought he was going to miss them because they were busy talking to Billy Boyd (love him too!) and LP started to walk right by! I was leaning towards my computer going "Nooo, don't go!" but then he stopped and finally mosied on over to them. He remembered the girls from the reaction video without needing much of a reminder, and seemed happy to meet them which I though was nice. I really hope they'll be posting clips of the different interviews soon so we can all hear everything they talked about without quite so much background noise.


    "The skies don't seem to be as dark as usual
    The stars seem brighter than they've been before
    And deep within I feel my soul is stirring
    As though my hope has been restored.

    The shepherds say they've heard the voice of angels
    Confirming rumors spread across the land
    That a child protected well from Herod's anger
    Is our Father's Son and the Son of Man.

    Love is raining down on the world tonight
    There's a presence here I can tell
    God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emanuel."
    ~Amy Grant "God is With Us"


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 10 2014, 7:17pm


    Views: 2003
         ..

    Thanks! I was talking about a post/reply within an existing thread.
    And we always have to give a subject?... annoying.

    I really hope we get to see more of thranduil in the EE!


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 10 2014, 7:22pm


    Views: 2000
         Welcome CatherineB!

    So many people have already seen BotFA and Thranduil's fabulousnesss. I'm so jealous!


    Quote
    At times I sat there thinking "Good god he's amazing" be it for his acting or his looks Laugh He looks very elvish. Also he was highly appericiated in a Norwegian review which made me really happy.

    Glad to hear it! Now I really can't wait until I get to see him on the big screen again myself!Smile

    "The skies don't seem to be as dark as usual
    The stars seem brighter than they've been before
    And deep within I feel my soul is stirring
    As though my hope has been restored.

    The shepherds say they've heard the voice of angels
    Confirming rumors spread across the land
    That a child protected well from Herod's anger
    Is our Father's Son and the Son of Man.

    Love is raining down on the world tonight
    There's a presence here I can tell
    God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emanuel."
    ~Amy Grant "God is With Us"


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 10 2014, 7:31pm


    Views: 2039
         Don't know much about the EE yet but...


    Quote
    I really hope we get to see more of thranduil in the EE!

    Yes, I hope so too! Rumor is that there will be 30 extra minutes in the EE, so I'm really hopeful we'll get some extra scenes of our fabulous Elvenking.Heart

    I know it's not quite the same thing as Thranduil himself, but thought maybe you'd find it interesting to know that LP said in a recent Q&A on Twitter that his parents are going appear as Laketown refugees in the EE. Should be fun to see if we can spot them! Smile

    "The skies don't seem to be as dark as usual
    The stars seem brighter than they've been before
    And deep within I feel my soul is stirring
    As though my hope has been restored.

    The shepherds say they've heard the voice of angels
    Confirming rumors spread across the land
    That a child protected well from Herod's anger
    Is our Father's Son and the Son of Man.

    Love is raining down on the world tonight
    There's a presence here I can tell
    God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emanuel."
    ~Amy Grant "God is With Us"


    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 10 2014, 8:07pm


    Views: 2010
         Efficient antlers

    This scene was bada$$ as much as it was fun to watch. Though, my personal fave scene comes right after that one.

    The fortunes of the world will rise and fall, but here in this kingdom we will endure!


    macfalk
    Valinor


    Dec 10 2014, 8:09pm


    Views: 2004
         Antlers!

    That's the word! I just knew "horns" sounded wrong in some way Blush

    The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 10 2014, 8:10pm


    Views: 1995
         Yes, please!

    There was quite some Thranduil, lots more than in DOS anyway, but I still want more. Laugh Especially sassy and fighting Thrandy.

    The fortunes of the world will rise and fall, but here in this kingdom we will endure!


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 10 2014, 8:16pm


    Views: 2018
         .. **SPOILERS**

    I have to say at one point i was really pissed at tauriel. It has do with thranduil. Most people probably agreed with her though...ugh.

    SPOILER
    SPOILER
    .
    .
    .
    .
    she tried to stop thranduil from leaving from the battle by pointing an arrow at him! He wanted to leave to protect his people after he had already fought against the ors and saw it had cost many elven lives. Pretty intense scene. She talk about how he lacks love...


    (This post was edited by dernwyn on Dec 11 2014, 11:11am)


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 10 2014, 9:09pm


    Views: 1955
         Yay no. 28!

    You beat me to the opening once more Shocked
    Smashing OP Heart

    Welcome to all the newbies Smile
    Just be sure to remember: * IF YOU ARE POSTING SPOILERS, PLEASE REMEMBER TO ADD SPOILER TAGS IN YOUR POST AND/OR SUBJECT.
    There are some regular Thralls who have not yet seen the film and do just about anything to avoid the spoilers.

    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 10 2014, 9:18pm


    Views: 1925
         *snuggles comfortable onto his lap*

    Agreed, that picture should be in every new TA at least once.

    Chrismas came early this year Heart


    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.


    lastnickleft
    The Shire

    Dec 10 2014, 9:24pm


    Views: 1967
         Hi, me again.

    Does he have a greater fight with a troll or something, or just mere orc infantry flesh-sacks? I can't believe if so, I mean...why?!


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 10 2014, 9:29pm


    Views: 1962
         Welcome and agreed with everything you said

    And this be a newish picture?




    You're from Norway?

    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 10 2014, 9:31pm


    Views: 1970
         spoiler **SPOILERS**

    No it was just orcs. I wanted to see more of him in action.


    (This post was edited by dernwyn on Dec 11 2014, 11:12am)


    lastnickleft
    The Shire

    Dec 10 2014, 9:38pm


    Views: 1977
         And not even **SPOILERS**

    a specially big or badass orc I guess xD


    (This post was edited by dernwyn on Dec 11 2014, 11:13am)


    lastnickleft
    The Shire

    Dec 10 2014, 9:46pm


    Views: 2007
         Dain vs Thranduil

    Btw, is there at least a staring confrontation between Dain and Thranduil?


    (This post was edited by lastnickleft on Dec 10 2014, 9:50pm)


    macfalk
    Valinor


    Dec 10 2014, 9:55pm


    Views: 1958
         (Spoilers)

    Yes. Dain said "you bastards" to the elven army (and made my audience cheer and clap their hands) and Thrandy said something of the sort that this dwarf is just as crazy as his cousin.

    The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


    lastnickleft
    The Shire

    Dec 10 2014, 10:05pm


    Views: 1903
         Sounds good

    That sounds quite good. Apparently there are going to be good moments beyond the actual fight.


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 10 2014, 10:11pm


    Views: 1032
         gorgeous

    Thranduil looks even more stunning in BOTFA than in DoS!Heart


    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 10 2014, 10:12pm


    Views: 1065
         I haven't seen this pic before

    Where is it from? Thanks for posting it.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 10 2014, 10:17pm


    Views: 1011
         No idea

    Just found it while browsing. There is no HR either, just this one pic.

    PS busy with replying to your PM Smile But I'm distracted cause ROTK is being aired on tv at the moment and even though I have seen it a 100 times already I can't keep my eyes off of it. But commercials are on so I have time to type Cool

    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.


    lastnickleft
    The Shire

    Dec 10 2014, 10:37pm


    Views: 1058
         Stunt **SPOILERS**

    Does Thranduil make a front flip to dismount the dying elk? Speaking of which...why the heck had the elk no armor? I mean...


    (This post was edited by dernwyn on Dec 11 2014, 11:13am)


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 10 2014, 10:49pm


    Views: 1096
         Thranduil's awesomeness

    **Spoiler spoiler**

    I was so sad for Bubba to die like that. You're right, why on earth didn't the poor Elk wear any armor? This sort of thing was bound to happen Unsure Then again Thranduil might not have expected to ride into battle that day. The dwarves and Orcs did arrive unexpectedly.
    When Bubba falls and dies Thranduil is thrown off. But being the super agile Elf king we all know he is, he makes his fall look super balanced and manages to stand up his two feet, ready for some more Orc slaying-action. If my memory serves me right he does some flipping of his own Heart



    PS you might want to spoiler-tag your post Or change the colour of your font so it's invicible for those who browse through TA Smile

    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 10 2014, 10:51pm


    Views: 1032
         Spoilers

    Spoiler

    Yes he does and yes his elk should definitely have gotten armor.


    lastnickleft
    The Shire

    Dec 10 2014, 10:53pm


    Views: 1003
         Yeah, sorry :(

    Yeah, sorry, I usually do, but this time I forgot, and now I can't edit it.


    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 10 2014, 11:08pm


    Views: 1029
         ---Spoiler---

    ----
    Elkie died? I was so concentrated on Thranduil, I thought elkie just fell.
    But this elk had some kick-ass scenes. I stared with wide eyes.
    ----

    And thanks for the hint with changing the color, so others won't see spoilers.


    The fortunes of the world will rise and fall, but here in this kingdom we will endure!


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 10 2014, 11:53pm


    Views: 1005
         Bubba

    **Spoiler Spoiler**
    Didn't you notice the two arrows sticking out Bubba's chest? It's the reason he falls onto the ground. Poor thing!



    I feel really bad for all the spoilers that are being put up in TA Evil
    I hope we do enough blurring for you to read over it. If it's getting too annoying just say so and I'll stop. Don't want to ruin the fun Angelic and I don't want to be the reason for the regulars to stop posting in TA before they've had a chance to see BOFA themselves.

    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.


    Eowyn of Penns Woods
    Valinor


    Dec 10 2014, 11:56pm


    Views: 955
         Yes.

    There's no 'reply to thread' button as on some forums, so we just click the reply button on the very first post if we don't want to respond to anyone in particular. The subject line thing may seem annoying at first, but it's important to a lot of people reading in threaded mode, and it's really better to just start talking in the subject line than to put "...." . Much easier for 'threaded' viewers to click on, and less stress on the writer to just start talking there instead of thinking up a real post title. =)

    Welcome to the boards! We don't bite. Well, not often. ;)

    **********************************


    NABOUF
    Not a TORns*b!
    Certified Curmudgeon
    Knitting Knerd
    NARF: NWtS Chapter Member since June 17,2011

    (This post was edited by Eowyn of Penns Woods on Dec 10 2014, 11:58pm)


    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 11 2014, 12:00am


    Views: 970
         Thrandy fixated

    I really didn't see that, had my eyes solely on Thranduil. No kidding. That's why I was like "Oh, that did happen?" more than just once today, because I really don't remember seeing/hearing things.

    Btw, I agree re: spoilers. Wouldn't want to ruin people's fun.

    The fortunes of the world will rise and fall, but here in this kingdom we will endure!


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 11 2014, 12:04am


    Views: 955
         No worries I asked the mod if she could make the spoilers more user friendly to read

    Hope the mod will know what to do with them Evil

    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 11 2014, 12:05am


    Views: 945
         LOL you are forgiven and btw I can't blame you

    Sounds to me you need to see BOFA again, just so you can focus on other things beside Thranduil as well Wink

    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.


    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 11 2014, 12:30am


    Views: 963
         probably going again

    Oh, I just planned on seeing it again- not 100% sure though . But I can't assure I will have eyes for anything or anyone else this time around either. I need the second time to actually remember things. LOL

    The fortunes of the world will rise and fall, but here in this kingdom we will endure!


    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 11 2014, 1:47am


    Views: 947
         Woo-hoo! Great opening, Eruvandi

    and good to have you back fulltime on TA!Wink

    "I'll say dark and gritty, which, with the Elvenking, translates as Hot and Sexy. Cool" - vanima ephel



    I fancy myself an ME BFF (Book/Film Fan) Smile
    (Aaaaand a gushy Thranduil fangurl before The Hobbit movies; still a gushy Thranduil fangurl through them. Laugh)

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    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 11 2014, 1:48am


    Views: 923
         I've missed this most enticing of resting spots

    Good call!EvilLaughAngelic

    "I'll say dark and gritty, which, with the Elvenking, translates as Hot and Sexy. Cool" - vanima ephel



    I fancy myself an ME BFF (Book/Film Fan) Smile
    (Aaaaand a gushy Thranduil fangurl before The Hobbit movies; still a gushy Thranduil fangurl through them. Laugh)

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    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 11 2014, 2:01am


    Views: 950
         *waves* Hello new friends, and leave-taking

    Welcome to TA, everyone new, or previously absent or ex-STVSmile

    Wow! It's really fantastic to see Thranduil discussions in TA, and new appreciators chiming in. But, with the excitement from post-BotFA feels from the fortunate ones, I'm getting uncomfortable with navigating the board. And stumbling on spoilers, even in TA just seals the deal. But even with all due spoiler alerts, it is hard to stay away from reading all the posts in TA and chiming in, even if it's just a "THUD" or "Oooh.... me too!"

    Anyway, tumblr was already getting bad and I've stopped trawling for Pretty! since yesterday, which means I have nothing to contribute to TA decorating for now anywayEvil So, it's a good pause point, and much as it pains me, I will follow Kerewyn's footsteps, and bow out of the TH board and even TA until after the marathon ends on the early morning of Thursday, 18 Dec for me here. I will however, still check in on TORn, especially the RR and PMs.

    Until then, enjoy! and especially to Eruvandi, VValar, mariel, and new friends like on_the_partyelk: See you on the other side of the week Smile

    I leave this GIF in recompense for shirking Pretty! trawlingLaughEvilAngelicSmile


    Good-bye! *vanishes*

    "I'll say dark and gritty, which, with the Elvenking, translates as Hot and Sexy. Cool" - vanima ephel



    I fancy myself an ME BFF (Book/Film Fan) Smile
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    dernwyn
    Forum Admin / Moderator


    Dec 11 2014, 11:21am


    Views: 895
         A reminder to use "SPOILERS" in your subject lines

    I've been asked to place that in the subject lines of a few posts in this thread.

    Please remember that those who run the TA Appreciation Threads are trying to keep them as spoiler-free as possible (at least for now)! Smile


    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    "I desired dragons with a profound desire"





    ltnjmy
    Rivendell


    Dec 11 2014, 2:13pm


    Views: 856
         I haven't seen BOTFA yet and just now found out about poor Bubba dying

    But that is OK, I could not help but peek in on his Sassiness' special thread. But maybe I'll just roam around the Reading Room until I get to see the movie next week. It doesn't premiere in the US until 12-17-14 Mad Anyhow, I knew the most handsome Elf did not die because of the Professor's Appendices, so I could not help peeking anyway...


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 11 2014, 3:50pm


    Views: 841
         Think I'm gonna follow Kerewyn and Lurker's lead now

    There are just too many spoilers coming in now, even in the TA thread for me to keep reading. As of right now I'm officially and completely leaving the Hobbit board until I see BOTFA next Friday. I'll still be checking out the other TORn boards though.

    See y'all later!Smile

    "The skies don't seem to be as dark as usual
    The stars seem brighter than they've been before
    And deep within I feel my soul is stirring
    As though my hope has been restored.

    The shepherds say they've heard the voice of angels
    Confirming rumors spread across the land
    That a child protected well from Herod's anger
    Is our Father's Son and the Son of Man.

    Love is raining down on the world tonight
    There's a presence here I can tell
    God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emanuel."
    ~Amy Grant "God is With Us"


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 11 2014, 4:40pm


    Views: 890
         One last LP post before I go (no spoilers, just LP adorkableness)

    TORn now has the HD version of the Happy Hobbit red carpet interview with LP uploaded to YouTube. There are no spoilers because the Happy Hobbits are avoiding spoilers themselves and didn't ask anything that would lead to a spoiler. They did, however, ask if Thranduil has names for his eyebrows and I thought LP's surprised reaction was really cute!Blush Enjoy!

    "The skies don't seem to be as dark as usual
    The stars seem brighter than they've been before
    And deep within I feel my soul is stirring
    As though my hope has been restored.

    The shepherds say they've heard the voice of angels
    Confirming rumors spread across the land
    That a child protected well from Herod's anger
    Is our Father's Son and the Son of Man.

    Love is raining down on the world tonight
    There's a presence here I can tell
    God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emanuel."
    ~Amy Grant "God is With Us"


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 11 2014, 5:21pm


    Views: 840
         still 6 more days...

    For the last ones to see it. Cant wait for everyone to see it and see what they think of thranduil and the movie in general so everyone can actually discuss it.


    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 11 2014, 10:51pm


    Views: 861
         Funny quote re: Bubba

    "I ride in on an elk played by a horse named Moose"

    Lee said it in an (written) interview before, but it's even better to actually hear him say it. Tongue Laugh

    The fortunes of the world will rise and fall, but here in this kingdom we will endure!


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 12 2014, 9:11am


    Views: 775
         Thanks for the interview link

    I hadn't seen it before, enjoyed watching it. Wow those reporters really know very little about TH don't they?

    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 12 2014, 9:15am


    Views: 756
         LOL 'adorkable' indeed

    Ahh he's just so cute in it. What a strange question btw, how do people come up with that? Shocked
    The One Ring FB-page posted that clip yesterday and it didn't recieve very enthusiastic reactions by the viewers. People were actually upset they 'dared' asking the eyebrow question. I was expecting to see this very rude question but actually it isn't all too bad and the way LP reacts to it is very 'adorkable' (that's new to me Laugh)

    PS now that you're leaving, does this mean you won't read any of the responses? Angelic

    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 12 2014, 9:27am


    Views: 933
         Ahhh too bad you will be leaving!

    Frown Unimpressed Unsure

    With Kerweyn, Lurker and now you the TA is a much quieter place. Just be sure to hurry back once you've seen BOFA ok? Smile

    Just gonna try and threadlock this thread with Mariel, On the PartyElk and all the newbies who recently joined us Smile

    Oh just before you go (hope you get to read this), I found these lovely pictures (new!!). Consider these a parting gift for the three of you Wink





    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 12 2014, 9:40am


    Views: 955
         Thanks so much for your spoiler-help dernwyn

    But to no avail I'm afraid Evil

    Btw does your name have some Tolkien-writing inspired meaning?

    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 12 2014, 9:53am


    Views: 946
         *waves* don't be gone for too long

    TA will be so still Unsure
    But I totally understand. It's getting very hard to avoid the spoilers. I feel sorry for you having to wait at least a week (or longer) to be able to see BOFA yourselves. I, on the other hand, will shamelessly admit I will be seeing BOFA again this saturday Blush But even I understand it's not fair for me to have seen it twice whereas you haven't even seen it even once *hugs* But the Thranduil temptation is just too big, I need to see him on the big screen again Heart

    PS. did you see my parting gift for the three of you. New pretty! Cool

    Here's another (last) parting gift from DOS EE's Heart





    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.

    (This post was edited by VValar on Dec 12 2014, 9:57am)


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 12 2014, 9:15pm


    Views: 899
         interview lady


    In Reply To
    I hadn't seen it before, enjoyed watching it. Wow those reporters really know very little about TH don't they?


    Apparently that lady on the very far left is a huge lotr fan but it doesnt really show.


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 12 2014, 9:18pm


    Views: 894
         spoilerish

    Sad to see that that fight scene in those pictures was the only one he really had.


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 12 2014, 10:11pm


    Views: 900
         lee pace NY

    Anyone know if we can see that interview with lee and richard in NY somewhere? There are some short clips on youtube but i want to see the whole thing.


    (This post was edited by Me85 on Dec 12 2014, 10:15pm)


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 12 2014, 11:36pm


    Views: 888
         I know right!!

    I thought Thranduil would get a LOT more fighting screentime. Especially before BOFA we were led to believe he is the most amazing fighter in ME (which he is, he has amazing skills) and they way they talked about it made me think we were going to be in for a treat. But I think we only see one or two swords action scenes (not counting the scene on Bubba). I thought that was rather disappointing Unimpressed

    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 12 2014, 11:36pm


    Views: 879
         No haven't fount it either

     

    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 12 2014, 11:56pm


    Views: 874
         yeees!

    I though he would get much more too! Not only was it the only real fight scene, it was pretty short too. And then to see that even though thranduil is the better fighter, legolas gets much more action scenes Mad. Really hope we get more of him (in action) in the EE.


    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 13 2014, 12:23am


    Views: 887
         I go with the majority here

    and say I too hoped for more Thranduil fight scenes. Though, I'm happy with the amount of screen time he had this time around. :)

    And yes, all the talk before lead to believe/assume he would have a TON of fight scenes. Nonetheless, he kicked a$$ in his fight scenes. Heart

    *joins prayer circle for more Thrandy in EE and lots of BTS material*

    The fortunes of the world will rise and fall, but here in this kingdom we will endure!


    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 13 2014, 4:16pm


    Views: 792
         Close up









    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 13 2014, 4:23pm


    Views: 827
         Some fan art for those of us left












    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 13 2014, 4:52pm


    Views: 807
         Welcome

    I like sharing good things. :D I have the feeling lots of press seems to know little or is simply desinterested.

    The fortunes of the world will rise and fall, but here in this kingdom we will endure!


    lastnickleft
    The Shire

    Dec 13 2014, 11:35pm


    Views: 794
         Draw

    Are the sketch image from the credits of BOTFA? Oh, God, I can't f...ing wait any longer.


    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 14 2014, 3:09am


    Views: 794
         stunningly beautiful

    Two amazing Thranduil edits. Heart





    The fortunes of the world will rise and fall, but here in this kingdom we will endure!


    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 14 2014, 7:48am


    Views: 770
         I don't know

    I haven't seen it either yet. I found the image on Tumblr. Perhaps someone who has seen the film can let us know. You could be right.


    BlackFox
    Half-elven


    Dec 14 2014, 10:21am


    Views: 756
         Yes, it's from the end credits

    There are a lot of great scenes featuring Thranduil in BOFA, I can promise you that. Smile



    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 14 2014, 2:10pm


    Views: 773
         Some images from BotFA









    clicky to the Tumblr post - click on the small images on the Tumblr post

    And a piece of artwork




    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 14 2014, 2:11pm


    Views: 742
         Thank you BlackFox

    Smile


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 14 2014, 2:48pm


    Views: 782
         spoilerish

    I think that 3rd pic is when he's talking to Dain and they're insulting each other a bit. That was fun.


    BlackFox
    Half-elven


    Dec 14 2014, 2:51pm


    Views: 703
         You're correct

    It is from that scene.



    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 14 2014, 6:36pm


    Views: 698
         so beautiful

    And that smirk almost had me fainting. Thanks for sharing all this pretty. :)

    The fortunes of the world will rise and fall, but here in this kingdom we will endure!


    lastnickleft
    The Shire

    Dec 14 2014, 6:42pm


    Views: 719
         Slashes

    So, no one knows yet how does Thranduil get those slashes on the face? I mean, just appeared, EE perhaps?


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 14 2014, 6:49pm


    Views: 722
         no slashes

    Those aren't slashes. It's just dirt from fighting the orcs.


    lastnickleft
    The Shire

    Dec 14 2014, 7:00pm


    Views: 730
         Clip

    Look the clip where Thranduil says to Gandalf that he will not help sending forces to Ravenhill, where Bilbo says he will go. You can see that there are some marks on his left cheekbone that certainly look like injuries. I have not yet seen the movie anyway :'(


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 14 2014, 7:17pm


    Views: 934
         clip

    Hmm to me they still look like dirt splatters. Btw in that clip when he says "no more" those dirt splatters or whatever they are are suddenly gone..

    But no we dont get to see him being cut in the face or anything.


    (This post was edited by Me85 on Dec 14 2014, 7:26pm)


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 14 2014, 8:39pm


    Views: 918
         These are awesome!

    And the third one, that is such a cool scene with Thranduil interacting with Dain. He is just totally unimpressed and like on the partyelk just said: that smirk almost had me fainting too BlushHeartHeart

    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 14 2014, 8:40pm


    Views: 927
         No Thranduil doesn't get injured


    In Reply To
    Look the clip where Thranduil says to Gandalf that he will not help sending forces to Ravenhill, where Bilbo says he will go. You can see that there are some marks on his left cheekbone that certainly look like injuries. I have not yet seen the movie anyway :'(



    I have seen the film twice now (Blush) and what you see on his face is clearly Orc blood.

    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 14 2014, 8:44pm


    Views: 930
         Cool fanart

    Clicky for bigger



    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 14 2014, 9:18pm


    Views: 965
         BOFA was cruel for making Thranduill sad :(

    Both Legolas/Thranduil moments
    + Tauriel scene

    IMO Tauriel way overstepped her boundries. Have you ever seen (intentionally, not like in FOTR/Lorien) an Elf threaten another Elf (her King!!) in such a way? I don't think Thranduil was ever going to kill Tauriel, you know with the Kingslaying and all in Valinor I would say he's pretty against it. But to me it was such a strange and emotional scene. First of all: What was Tauriel thinking? Secondly, she gives up fairly easily once her bow is broken. Thirdly: for a Dwarf? Really?

    Then Legolas steps in. He is so harsh towards his dad. Apparently in this movie Legolas has developed serious Daddy-issues. Were they already prominent in DOS? Perhaps their relationship in DOS was all very platonic but I didn't sense the hurt and sorrow those two clearly have in relation to one another. What bothers me is that this isn't explained in BOFA. Just another non-canon subplot that doesn't make sense and was imo only added to get the Tauriel love trangle going even more (legolas standing up against is father for the sake of Tauriel).

    The second Legolas/Thranduil moment, it was so sad Unsure And sweet in a way. But mostly sad. Unresolved daddy issues play a big part in this scene (still not explained why) and I thought Legolas just made Thranduil so sad UnsureUnsureUnsure I was like 'Noooooooooooo why would you do that Legolas? Why do you make your daddy so sad he almost has to cry?' *sobs*







    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.


    BlackFox
    Half-elven


    Dec 14 2014, 9:44pm


    Views: 904
         I wouldn't say Legolas has "daddy issues"

    What we witness in BOFA is him coming into his own. He becomes disillusioned with the ways of the world, renounces the isolationist views of his father and adopts a new mindset: that of an interventionist (following Tauriel's example).



    (This post was edited by BlackFox on Dec 14 2014, 9:44pm)


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 14 2014, 9:58pm


    Views: 893
         Spoilers (agreed)

    I have already said this before but i got mad at Tauriel when she threatened Thranduil (yes her king who had taken her in when she was an orphan) because he wanted to leave. She actually threatened his life.Mad
    There's a reason he wanted to leave. He has lived so long, suffered much more than tauriel. He just wanted to protect his people. She is naive. It annoyed me when she yelled something like "not this time!" Or "there is no love in you!" Trying to be all righteous. Pfff.

    She was probably right though in trying to stop him but it was just the way she tried to do it. I feel like she kind of betrayed him by threatening his life.
    That shock on his face.

    And then Legolas who so easily took her side after she threatened to kill his father.


    (This post was edited by Me85 on Dec 14 2014, 10:01pm)


    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 14 2014, 11:43pm


    Views: 893
         about the first SC

    What is the sign Thranduil does before Legolas leaves?

    I almost cried when I saw Thranduil's sad face! :'( He didn't deserve that.

    The fortunes of the world will rise and fall, but here in this kingdom we will endure!


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 14 2014, 11:56pm


    Views: 904
         goodbye

    I think it must be a goodbye gesture (I think he make a little bow at the same time) cause Legolas makes the same gesture in return. Don't know if it has a deeper meaning.


    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 15 2014, 12:27am


    Views: 873
         Ok...

    That's what I guessed. Thanks.

    The fortunes of the world will rise and fall, but here in this kingdom we will endure!


    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 15 2014, 12:40am


    Views: 868
         I fully agree

    What me shocked is the WAY she did it and what she said. She clearly overstepped her boundaris. And even if she was right to stop him (and here clearly people's opinions differ) it was not her to decide what Thranduil does. HE is the king after all, he lived long enough, experienced enough to know what is in order to do. I mean ok, from her POV sure she wants to stop him so her love gets help, but from Thranduil's POV it's only normal he says 'ok, enough is enough, I have lost already too many of us, we're going home' (loosely spoken).

    And as for Legolas, IDK, he stands against his father for what? For unrequited love or because he truely thinks she is right? And no reaction from him about her aiming at his own father? A bit twisted. IMHO.

    After he cut her bow she was the one looking shocked though. Maybe she relized she dared the wrong elf?

    Just my two cents to the discussion.

    The fortunes of the world will rise and fall, but here in this kingdom we will endure!


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 15 2014, 1:03am


    Views: 855
         commentary

    It will be interesting if we get some more insight from the film makers or actors in the commentary for the EE.


    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 15 2014, 2:41pm


    Views: 835
         Link to thread discussing Thranduil's portrayal in BotFA - spoilers

    http://newboards.theonering.net/...=ASC;guest=126616808


    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 15 2014, 2:46pm


    Views: 826
         Another live twitter Q&A with Lee Pace today #AskThranduil

    https://twitter.com/...s/544328999669755905


    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 15 2014, 2:53pm


    Views: 865
         A few more from BotFA

    Not amazing quality yet



    See also
    http://leepace-talent-e-beauty.tumblr.com/...3-days-to-the-battle

    (click on each photo in the blog for bigger pics)


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 15 2014, 5:41pm


    Views: 793
         Q&A

    Thanks for the links. Hopefully we'll get more interesting questions about him in the movie this time. Loved his answers to the silly questions though.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 15 2014, 7:36pm


    Views: 805
         Yes you're right

    Re:

    In Reply To
    What we witness in BOFA is him coming into his own. He becomes disillusioned with the ways of the world, renounces the isolationist views of his father and adopts a new mindset


    However, how come it is necessary for a ??-hundred year old Elf to do this in such a blunt, hurtful and (kind of) disrespectful way? Makes me wonder what that is all about. I would think a (relatively wise) Elf like Legolas would be able to sort this all out in a more 'peaceful manner'. I mean just look at all the times he ingnores his King's orders (DOS: going along with Tauriel instead of returning to his father after the three days he was given by Thranduil to bring her back; not coming along with the messenger Elf who sends for him at the beginning of BOFA; standing against his father during the clash with Tauriel, and finally informing Thranduil he won't be going home after the battle. Not asking, merely stating. Clearly, Legolas could get away with murder as far as Thranduil's concerned. It would seem to me there are cleary some unresolved matters between those two for communicating in such a distant way.

    Like we see in their last scene, they both look so awkward around each other. Until finally Thranduil decides to takes the first step and tells Legolas about how his mother loved him. Legolas looks emotional but barely seems capable of giving his father the proper goodbye and walks away midway his gesture. To me, there clearly is a story, invented by the filmmakers, that hasn't been told (yet). And I'm not sure I'm buying it.

    Anyway, for relevance Wink


    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 15 2014, 7:48pm


    Views: 791
         Agree with your post

    Although it looked cool on screen (two Elves facing off against each other) and could be considered high entertainment value by the general public, I thought it was so out of character for BOTH of them. Of course I can think of reasons for both of them to behave in such a way, but then I would have to think along the same line of the filmmakers. Don't get me wrong, I'm obviously very grateful for them to have created the wonderful world of the Hobbit and as a result have given us the sassiest Elven King in history of Middle-Earth Heart It's just I don't like their created Elven subplot(s) to begin with. Thranduil imo would not very likely threaten another Elf's life, same goes for the (ex) captain of the guard. Is she really trying to convince him to save a few Dwarves she happens to be very fond of by threatening to take his life? How would that work out she would have reasoned? Surely she knows her King well enough to be able to estimate the kind of reaction she would envoke Crazy Furthermore, the Tauriel-Kili love imo would not ever have happend in the Tolkien world, and the mentioning of Legolas' mother and the way she died (imo it's best to leave the 'unknown' and not try to invent ANOTHER subplot around it) is debatable. But maybe it's just me.... Angelic I like a lot of stuff too! But these are just some of the things I have serious questions about.

    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 15 2014, 7:50pm


    Views: 826
         Goodbye gesture

    It's like me85 said: I believe it's a general goodbye gesture. F.e. you see Aragorn and Legolas making that same gesture in FOTR to Elrond when they set out from Rivendell with the Fellowship.

    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 15 2014, 7:52pm


    Views: 801
         *sobs*

    Oh so sad UnsureUnsure

    Also

    nearly broke my heart HeartHeartUnsure

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    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 15 2014, 7:54pm


    Views: 831
         A gif of Thranduil being heartbroken



    Ohhwwwwww UnsureUnsureUnsureUnsureUnsureUnsureUnsureUnsureUnsureUnsure Come here you and I'll give you a good hug HeartHeartHeartHeartHeartHeartHeartHeartHeart

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    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 15 2014, 7:54pm


    Views: 775
         Cool #AskThranduil

    Lurker informed me as well there would be another round of #AskThranduil on twitter.

    Will you be asking any questions?

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    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 15 2014, 7:58pm


    Views: 781
         Looks like I'll need a whole box of tissues

    UnsureUnsureUnsure


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 15 2014, 8:00pm


    Views: 848
         I'm going full on spoilery here

    But seeing as all those who wish to remain un-spoiled have temporarely left TA, I guess it's save to let my spoilery nature take full control and post one of the coolest, sassiest and funniest moments in BOFA which of course had Heartour Elven KingHeart it it.

    Do you remember this:

    http://38.media.tumblr.com/...TBV1qizt8ro1_400.gif

    http://38.media.tumblr.com/...TBV1qizt8ro2_400.gif

    LaughLaughLaughLaugh

    And was it just me or did Thranduil only made a drink for Bard and himself, not offering and to Gandalf?

    If your ears aren't pointy, you're doing it wrong.


    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 15 2014, 8:00pm


    Views: 791
         No. You?

    I'm not good on twitter. I suspect there will be far more questions than he will be able to answer in the time.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 15 2014, 8:01pm


    Views: 1206
         I was just about to edit me post

    Thinking seeing the gifs would be perhaps a bit too spoilery for you. But I guess you've already seen them Blush

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    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 15 2014, 8:02pm


    Views: 1177
         Nah I'm still not good in asking any interesting questions

    Although asking him about the bling on his hands might be interesting...

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    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 15 2014, 8:03pm


    Views: 1191
         Yes

    Already been thoroughly spoiled on twitter - but as I said before, I don't mind


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 15 2014, 8:05pm


    Views: 1198
         gifs

    Haha thanks for the gifs but what happened in that 2nd one?


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 15 2014, 8:09pm


    Views: 1171
         Good :)

    Though seeing jpgs and knowing what will happen is something different to actually seeing it. But I'm glad you didn't mind Wink

    In other news, I thought Legolas did look amazing in this film:





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    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 15 2014, 8:14pm


    Views: 1212
         Oh I'm sorry I guess it's a bit of an inside joke for those who have seen BOFA

    It's spoilery, sure you want to read it? Angelic



    Gandalf continuesly tries to talk Thranduil out of doing certain things, trying to warn him for an upcoming Orc army that no one has actually seen, trying to change his course of action concerning the Dwarves etc. etc. Thranduil is getting a bit 'tired' if you will and this is a moment between Thranduil and Bard where Thranduil sighs and rolls his eyes to Bard as if to say 'here we go again'. Second gif is when Thranduil turns back his head and faces Gandalf as if nothing happend. It's funny, you'll see.

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    BlackFox
    Half-elven


    Dec 15 2014, 8:15pm


    Views: 1261
         Philippa Boyens talks about Legolas' mother **SPOILERS**

    http://www.empireonline.com/podcast/ (click on the first track and jump to 26:30)


    Quote
    [---] she died saving her child.




    BlackFox
    Half-elven


    Dec 15 2014, 8:19pm


    Views: 1196
         As it turns out, there is!


    In Reply To
    To me, there clearly is a story, invented by the filmmakers, that hasn't been told (yet).

    See my post here.



    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 15 2014, 8:19pm


    Views: 1210
         Spoiler legolas' mother

    I agree with everything you said except i like the subplot about legolas' mother. When Thranduil says "your mother loved you" it shows Thranduil's own love for her and even though we don't get to see it (yet?), it's why he want those gems back. As i've said before, Philippa Boyens said those gems were the only thing remaining of hers that he has (Peter said it would be more fleshed out a bit in the EE). This subplot adds to the fact that he isn't just a cold, greedy, selfish elf.


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 15 2014, 8:26pm


    Views: 1175
         i already saw...

    The movie a week ago!Smile
    Just didnt remember seeing the part where he acts as if nothing happened. I have to go and see the movie again.


    BlackFox
    Half-elven


    Dec 15 2014, 8:33pm


    Views: 1211
         Here's the direct link

    https://soundcloud.com/...ppa-boyens-interview



    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 15 2014, 9:56pm


    Views: 1184
         did that lady ask if legolas' mother was an orc???

    Did i hear that right?
    Sad what philipa she said about Thranduil.Frown


    (This post was edited by Me85 on Dec 15 2014, 9:57pm)


    BlackFox
    Half-elven


    Dec 15 2014, 9:58pm


    Views: 1157
         Yes, yes you did

    Just a joke. Smile



    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 15 2014, 10:00pm


    Views: 1180
         Oh Thranduil!

    I love LOVE L-O-V-E his major eye roll and then like "Oh, you've been talking to me?!". No matter the quality it has me in tears from laughing. Evil
    Can I wish for one more Gandalf/Thranduil scene in the EE? Angelic

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    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 15 2014, 10:04pm


    Views: 1154
         BTS images

    Haven't seen the second image before.



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    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 15 2014, 10:05pm


    Views: 1151
         but it doesn't sound like she was joking

    That lady says "is she an orc cause we know that..."
    She wanted to give a serious reason for her thoughts and philippas respond "no no no" sounds serious too.


    BlackFox
    Half-elven


    Dec 15 2014, 10:12pm


    Views: 1175
         I just can't bring myself to believe anyone might seriously suggest something like that

    But if she really was being serious, then... LaughCrazyLaugh



    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 15 2014, 10:59pm


    Views: 1142
         veeeery nice.

    Wow


    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 16 2014, 2:39am


    Views: 1131
         Lee-Peter-Philippa interview

    Very nice interview that includes some Thranduil (EE?) talk.

    EXCLUSIVE: The Hobbit Interview with Peter Jackson, Lee Pace and Philippa Boyens - Legendarium Media

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    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 16 2014, 2:51am


    Views: 1134
         same interview in youtube

    I think.this is the same interview.
    Here you can hear them speakSmile

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k5USiVMpybg


    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 16 2014, 1:11pm


    Views: 1101
         Oh, cool!

    Didn't know there is an audio version available. Thanks. :)

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    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 16 2014, 2:30pm


    Views: 1082
         Not new, but nice edit



    clicky


    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 17 2014, 11:07pm


    Views: 1101
         Thranduil concept arts

    Would be so cool if it had been in the movie. All the Thrandy action. Heart







    Source




    source

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    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 17 2014, 11:14pm


    Views: 1003
         huh what is going on here?!

    Where is this from? the new chronicles book?
    Are those drawings? Why didnt they film this. So freakin cool. Thanks!


    stn5
    The Shire

    Dec 18 2014, 2:41pm


    Views: 1059
         SPOILER - History of Thranduil & Legolas

    Here is some quota i found in the internet:

    She [Tauriel] says " There's no love in you". She actually utterly wrong. He [Thranduil] has loved so deeply that he can't go near it anymore. He can't approach it, he can't touch it, it is not to be talked about. Sp when he finally says to Legolas " Your mother loved you, more than anything, more than life", that's what we said to the actor in that moment is that she dies saving her child.

    There possibly more in the extended cut if you [peter] do it. It's the story of why he's like that.....The gems! It started with the gems. It will be fleshed out in the extended cut. Legolas' mother was never mentioned but we like that idea and it's a bit more than "I want my gems back"

    Legolas’ mother is never mentioned, but we liked that idea. In the end, it never gets told necessarily, but it informs the actor and so when you deliver that line, “Your mother loved you,” it has a power that I thought was part of the backstory, that she died, and the only thing remaining of her that he has are these jewels.

    Legolas reconciles with Thranduil and returns to Mirkwood after he has been hunting Gollum with Aragon

    ......Philippa Boyens


    But he’s such a cold character, he’s such a severe character, and it rings true to me that that severity comes from a heartbreak. The elves feel things in a very deep way. They’re not human, they’re very far from human. Those emotions, that love is profound.

    ......Lee Pace


    I also think too that Thranduil’s got the hardest decision of everybody in terms of fighting. Fighting for Thranduil is committing his troops and yet, unlike the other characters, who, if they don’t die in this battle, they will die of old age at some point … Thranduil and the elves, they’re immortal, but if they get an orc sword through them, they’re going to die just like anyone else. So for someone who is basically committing the lives of elves who would otherwise live forever more and committing them to possibly a short, violent death is a much bigger decision, a lot more difficult than anyone else’s.


    ......PJ

    Fanart of a sad little Legolas T_T

    https://38.media.tumblr.com/...lU1rvhe1xo1_1280.jpg


    (This post was edited by stn5 on Dec 18 2014, 2:48pm)


    stn5
    The Shire

    Dec 18 2014, 2:42pm


    Views: 746
         more interview

      
    Stylistically, there’s great continuity between all six films.

    PJ: We’ve always approached as history, not fantasy. Not because the fantasy is something to be embarrassed about, because it’s not, I love it. But I always think that fantasy movies have been a little bit condescending. The danger with fantasy is that it can become too scattered when you’re dealing with three or four hundred crew in capacities who design little bits and pieces.

    LP: But it’s style too. You can’t buy style. You can’t fake style.

    PJ: Well, that’s why we hired you to play Thranduil. We had actors with style. Elves are hard to cast. Elves are the hardest to cast, because elves are perfection that the majority of us. They have to be a little otherworldly, and they’re really a pain in the ass to cast. It’s tricky. But we’ve been lucky.

    PB: What was interesting was that he’s younger than his son. That’s the other great thing about it.

    LP: When you’re thousands of years old, a few years doesn’t really make a difference.


    stn5
    The Shire

    Dec 18 2014, 2:51pm


    Views: 737
         Thranduil - King of Mirkwood and Single Parent

        
    The Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies

    Thranduil: Well, where is my son?
    Random elf: He said he’s not coming home if his friend isn’t allowed to come
    too.
    Thranduil: …

    Legolas: If you harm her you will have to kill me.
    Thranduil: Really, we’re doing this now? In front of the peasants? …When
    there is war everywhere?

    Legolas: I’m not coming home.
    Thranduil: And where are you going to go?
    Legolas: I don’t know.
    Thranduil: …
    Legolas: …
    Thranduil: Look, go North. I know a guy.

    Lord of the Rings

    Thranduil: …What did you say?
    Elf messenger: Your son has volunteered to accompany 4 hobbits, 2 men, 1
    dwarf and a wizard on a quest to Mordor to destroy the one ring.
    Thranduil: …Of course he has. Of…course.

    After Lord of the Rings

    Elf: Sire, your son has returned…but…
    Thranduil: But what now?
    Elf: He has brought a dwarf with him.
    Thranduil: -sigh- A phase. It’s just a phase.


    (This post was edited by stn5 on Dec 18 2014, 3:04pm)


    stn5
    The Shire

    Dec 18 2014, 3:03pm


    Views: 742
         Legolas lost BOTH his White Knives

      
    one of it in Borg skull but I did not know where is the other one. at the end scene when Legolas talk with Thranduil, both his white knives was missing.

    it is interesting because in FOTR when legolas riding to Rivendell, he already have his knives back...

    Wonder who find & keep it for him..

    I hope it Thranduil Heart

    and the white knives become a sentimental value to Thranduil to remember his son while he is away. And when Legolas return, he give it back to him before Legolas ride to Rivendell....

    AHHH..........someone please write a fanfiction for this!!!!! BlushBlushBlush


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 19 2014, 12:04am


    Views: 734
         *SQUEE* MASSIVE COOLNESSS

    Ok need to view it again to process the coolness of it all. How come the filmmakers didn't include any of this? All we got were a lousy couple of seconds of Thranduil fighting a few Orcs. Where is that wow factor? That moment in theatre where the audience goes 'Oh that's where Legolas got his skills from'

    Such a BIG MISS. But I'm very happy you posted it! Thanks for it Heart

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    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 19 2014, 1:40am


    Views: 671
         Yes!

    It would have been so cool if he fought something bigger than an orc.
    So bummed they didn't include that. Instead we get too much of Legolas.Frown


    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 19 2014, 3:26am


    Views: 691
         I know, right?!

    I think we are not alone with the question why they didn't go for that. I might be, and probably am biased, but I find they could've cut some other scenes short (or even completely) and give him more action. They had the ideas, they had the opportunities, but missed them. The longer it was ago I saw the movie the more I am dissapointed, but that is an entirely different topic- sorry. Anyways...

    My pleasure, I like sharing the Pretty things. Wink

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    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 19 2014, 4:20am


    Views: 692
         i was already disappointed that they didn't show more of him in action...

    But now that i've seen those pics you posted, knowing that they had these ideas for him but decided in the end not to use them, i"m even more disappointed. *sigh*

    Did you all read the explanation next to it?
    First paragraph says:

    "The way the sequence was described to us Thranduil was holding back in the battle for Dale but once he decides to get involved himself we should see something extraordinary. He is Legolas' father after all, a lord among the Sindar elves".


    We should have gotten something extraordinary from legolas' father...


    (This post was edited by Me85 on Dec 19 2014, 4:22am)


    Saneliur
    Bree

    Dec 19 2014, 7:14am


    Views: 633
         I think (or at least hope)

    ...that we will get more Thranduil fighting action in the EE.


    Quote
    "The way the sequence was described to us Thranduil was holding back in the battle for Dale but once he decides to get involved himself we should see something extraordinary."


    We didn't get to see Thranduil get involved after his confrontation with Tauriel. He does change his mind about leaving after that.

    But how does he get out of Dale? How does he get to Ravenhill? I think part of the battle after this got cut. I remember seeing finished battle clips in some recent TV spots that weren't in the movie. Hopefully it will be in the EE *crosses fingers*


    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 19 2014, 9:38am


    Views: 639
         And Eruvandi, have you seen it yet?

    I believe it opened this week in the US Angelic

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    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 19 2014, 9:41am


    Views: 657
         Legolas' knives

    One got smashed when Bolg died (big rock fell on top of him). Where did the other one go? Hmm mystery....

    But I'm sure Thranduil would make two more identical knives in Mirkwood on his son's return Smile

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    VValar
    Gondor


    Dec 19 2014, 9:45am


    Views: 659
         Maybe there will be more Thranduil fighting in the EE - when he gets to Ravenhill?

    Because we know he goes to Ravenhill (alone?? did anyone see other Elves join him?) to 'search?' for Legolas. At least it appeared he was searching for something and looked relieved when he saw Legolas. Furthemore if Thorin hadn't succeeded in killing Azog, I think Thranduil would have. Since the survival of Azog would not have been favorable for Mirkwood as well (being so close to Erebor).

    It wouldn't have been a walk in the park to get to Ravenhill I suppose. With an Orc army fighting in between Ravenhill and Dale... So where are those precious fighting moments we haven't seen yet where Thranduil is fighting to get to his son in time HeartHeart (yes I still want to believe he came to Ravenhill for Leggy HeartHeart)

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    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 19 2014, 9:55am


    Views: 645
         Wow... we're still on TAXXVIII and we're on page 20 in the forum?!

    Hey everyone!

    I'm back! It's really good to be back, because Thranduil! Oh my... just THUDDERLY goodness all round.Heart (The movie is another matter, imo, and i'm still trying to gather, compose and structure my feels and thoughtsCrazy)

    Rather surprised we're still on #28 thoughTongue Right, off to check PMs and rummage through the thread.

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    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 19 2014, 10:22am


    Views: 607
         Welcome back

    Have mixed feelings about the film myself. Hmm.


    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 19 2014, 10:31am


    Views: 636
         6000th TA post! Yay, VValar!



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    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 19 2014, 10:36am


    Views: 629
         *off-key whistle of appreciation*

    Wow... now THIS is what I wanted to see of Thranduil's awesome fighting reputation!Heart

    Thanks for sharing, On_the_partyelk!

    PS: hope you don't mind, and you don't have to answer this, but from one long-nick-user to another just cos...is there a short version of your nick you'd not mind to have others refer to you by?

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    BlackFox
    Half-elven


    Dec 19 2014, 10:39am


    Views: 608
         Welcome back, Lurker!

    These threads just aren't the same without you. And I'm not even a TA regular. Smile



    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 19 2014, 10:41am


    Views: 627
         Hello mariel *waves*


    In Reply To
    Have mixed feelings about the film myself. Hmm.

    Et tu? Do we want to talk about it here, or should we go elsewhere to discuss? I must say though, even though it's been more than 40 hours since my first viewing of BotFA, I hadn't returned sooner because I'm really not sure how to process my feels. I guess part of it is that so much of my impressions and thoughts are based on what they did with Thranduil, and the book, I wonder if I'm looking at it with the right mindset. Plus, at the same time that the marathon was ongoing, there was important RL stuff that kept distracting me at the same time, all the way through itCrazy



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    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 19 2014, 11:19am


    Views: 611
         Well

    I was prepared for the fact that this wasn't going to be book Thranduil, and I did like a lot of what they changed his character to because he was very interesting. However, I didn't like that they made him so cold and seemingly indifferent to the fate of other peoples. [Although, having said that, he is not completely indifferent to the Laketown people as he did bring food to them, even though he then said they mistook this gesture and he was only there for his own reasons. He didn't have to bring the food after all].

    I know from having read the background the film makers have given to his character that he is deeply affected by the death of his wife, but I don't think that was told effectively in the film and I don't think his seeming obsession with getting back the necklace was as a result of this was explained at all. As a result, I think anyone not knowing this beforehand is going to see him as simply being antagonistic and unsympathetic

    I was also disappointed by the way they depicted his relationship with Legolas. If they had decided he was broken hearted by the death of his wife, why did they have to break it all over again with Legolas leaving him in such an abrupt and cold way. Also felt this was an abrupt ending for him - did he get the necklace back for instance? So much left unresolved

    This is a bit of a rushed initial assessment - must get on with RL for the moment


    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 19 2014, 11:33am


    Views: 582
         Hey there, BlackFox!


    In Reply To
    These threads just aren't the same without you. And I'm not even a TA regular. Smile

    Awww... I don't know what to say, except this: Thanks! Blush



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    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 19 2014, 11:57am


    Views: 613
         I'm with you

    I really still can't process the movie, but I am liking this Silmmie Elf they've made out of Thranduil, because, like you, I find he is really much more interesting than the others we've seen so far.


    In Reply To
    However, I didn't like that they made him so cold and seemingly indifferent to the fate of other peoples. [Although, having said that, he is not completely indifferent to the Laketown people as he did bring food to them, even though he then said they mistook this gesture and he was only there for his own reasons. He didn't have to bring the food after all].

    I found it intriguing that despite appearing cold and indifferent, GOOD THINGS happen. The aid to Laketown for one. Mulling on it, I found it refreshing that he corrected Bard's impression instead of milking it for what's it worth. And the army joining in/jumping over the Dwarves to clash with the Orc onslaught. And Thranduil rushing back to Dale with his army. (And really, no follow-up to Bubba's fall?Crazy)



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    I know from having read the background the film makers have given to his character that he is deeply affected by the death of his wife, but I don't think that was told effectively in the film and I don't think his seeming obsession with getting back the necklace was as a result of this was explained at all. As a result, I think anyone not knowing this beforehand is going to see him as simply being antagonistic and unsympathetic

    I was also disappointed by the way they depicted his relationship with Legolas. If they had decided he was broken hearted by the death of his wife, why did they have to break it all over again with Legolas leaving him in such an abrupt and cold way. Also felt this was an abrupt ending for him - did he get the necklace back for instance? So much left unresolved

    Absolutely.
    I hate to say so, but I do think we're going to have to look to the EE for the missing connecting bits, though I wouldn't bet my life that we'd get all the answers.

    I am still highly unimpressed with the Elf-Dwarf side plot (it is as cringe-worthy as I thought it was shaping up to be, just a great big poo-poo to all that talk about female representation and all that time given to building Tauriel up in DoS), and what the heck was Legolas on?, not reacting to Tauriel's really OOC as an Elf gesture of threatening the King and his father that way, but instead totally taking her side in the confrontation.

    The last scene between Thranduil and Legolas was also a great "HUH" for me. I'm not the best about canon, and I'd probably need to verify this, but falling on the researched to death bitses burned in my mind for my little hunt for Gollum fic... the timeline for what Thranduil suggested to Legolas to do just don't make sense.Crazy

    And speaking of RL, dinner issues beckon. I'll be back too.Smile


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    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 19 2014, 12:16pm


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         :(

    Thranduil clearly is a fanfave, if not even THE fanfave (and from what I have this is pretty much the case), all the reason more IDG why they didn't give him bigger (fighting)scenes. And that they made him generally more or less the bad guy and have even his own son stand against him (whether Lego saw that Tauriel aimed at his father or not, it's just so weird to see Lego stand against him so easily, he should know his father better, especially, and if I remember correctly in DOS he was on the side of his father, saying she betrayed the king's trust and all and now suddenly this? So so strange), when he clearly is NOT is really beyond me. In fact after all what they said in interviews about his backstory...to me he is the strongest and bravest of them all, far from being the AH they partly portrait him as. (even though I am quite very fond of his arrogance in terms of finding it utterly sexy)

    I am obviously no crack when it comes to LOTR/TH, but I think one doesn't have to be to see they did a few (or more) mistakes, and not only regarding Thranduil. IMHO.

    And as for reading what the text said: WHY did they even bother making such good stuff up for Thranduil when they eventually wouldn't go for even 20% of it? And then release all the ideas and people see "Awesome, that is what we COULD've seen?", it's a bit of a slap in the face. :/

    It's probably in vain, but I'm hoping EE will make a little up for it.

    So, sorry for the little essay I'm just sad to see how much more we could've gotten. Unsure

    The fortunes of the world will rise and fall, but here in this kingdom we will endure!


    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 19 2014, 12:26pm


    Views: 610
         I'll just go with that


    Quote
    (yes I still want to believe he came to Ravenhill for Leggy)



    ...as well. And you're right about him making a relieved face, like "Gods, there you are!", when he saw Legolas.

    Question. in order to go home, as Thranduil originally planned, as he said to Gandalf, does he have to cross Rivenhill or is Rivenhill a completely different direction? Like I mentioned before, I know nothing about LOTR/TH so if it's not the direction he would have to head in, it's for my mind a done thing he went there to search for his son.

    The fortunes of the world will rise and fall, but here in this kingdom we will endure!


    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 19 2014, 12:56pm


    Views: 608
         :)

    First: welcome back. :)

    I must confess I spend about 10 minutes staring before posting. Crazy LOL (especially the backflip)

    Hmmmm...kind of no, there is no short version, but maybe OTP (smile) or Partyelk? Tbh, I haven't thought about that before.

    The fortunes of the world will rise and fall, but here in this kingdom we will endure!


    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 19 2014, 1:15pm


    Views: 603
         The first knife [spoiler]

    was lodged in the head of his joystick troll/ogre, the one he manipulated to ram that oh-so-well-built-tower to become that bridge across the gap to get to Tauriel and the rumble with Bolg.



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    AHHH..........someone please write a fanfiction for this!!!!! BlushBlushBlush

    Gah! The feels for a fix-it fic is growing for me tooCrazy

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    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 19 2014, 1:16pm


    Views: 587
         Thanks! And hope you don't mind

    if i refer to you as OTP until you decide otherwiseSmile

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    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 19 2014, 1:26pm


    Views: 956
         Return trip itinerary


    Quote
    Question. in order to go home, as Thranduil originally planned, as he said to Gandalf, does he have to cross Rivenhill or is Rivenhill a completely different direction? Like I mentioned before, I know nothing about LOTR/TH so if it's not the direction he would have to head in, it's for my mind a done thing he went there to search for his son.

    Quick answer: No, different direction.

    If you imagine yourself looking at Erebor, re Thorin's mape with the mountain at the top (north), Ravenhill is in fact extending "in front" of Erebor southwards, skewed a little more to the east than west. But Mirkwood is to the west and south of Erebor.

    But I'm referencing the lay of the land in book-verse. iirc of the battle-plan PJ shared with a mag/interview site, while the landmarks are on slightly different coordinates, the general lay of the land should still be correct.


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    swordwhale
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 19 2014, 2:07pm


    Views: 918
         well said!

     

    "Judge me by my size, would you?" Max the Hobbit Husky.





    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 19 2014, 3:21pm


    Views: 998
         Interesting theories re the white gems and Thranduil's wife

    In case these get lost amongst all the new threads here are Silverlode's ideas on the white gems

    http://newboards.theonering.net/...=ASC;guest=126915019

    and the back story re Thranduil's wife

    http://newboards.theonering.net/...=ASC;guest=126915019


    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 19 2014, 4:52pm


    Views: 923
         Further re the white gems

    In the post about the White Gems of Lasgalen, BlackFox has found this quote from the Visual Companion

    http://newboards.theonering.net/forum/gforum/perl/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_threaded;post=812048;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;guest=126915019



    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 19 2014, 6:15pm


    Views: 926
         interesting!

    I already knew parts of it but not this detailed. So let me get this straight. The gems were given by Thranduil to Thror? I was never sure but guessed they came from Erebor. Thanks for all the pics and info everybody!


    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 19 2014, 9:10pm


    Views: 898
         I'm with you

    Have finally managed to get to see it and find myself agreeing with a lot of what you've said in this and other posts.

    I found it disappointing that the film really didn't explain any of the back story re Thranduil that has made him what he is and what his relationship with Legolas is. The script writers have invented a back story for him, but I think this should be shown in the film and you should not have to rely on reading about it elsewhere to understand it.

    Having said that, I did thoroughly enjoy the film for the most part - except too much Alfrid for my taste. I hope the obvious unresolved bits are shown in the EE and we are not disappointed (like we were about the lack of extra Thranduil bits in the DOS EE)


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 19 2014, 9:56pm


    Views: 905
         out of all the ME films i have only really needed to see the EE for BOTFA

    Don't get me wrong. I have always wanted to see the EEs and I consider those the "real" movies but i have always been satisfied with the TE. Not so with BOTFA. Too many missing pieces/endings. It's the only movie i really have issues with. However, i still love it and it's my favorite out of the hobbit movies.

    Btw someone said there would be 10min of Beorn in the EE. Now i do think he should get more screen time in the EE, perhaps more so than the others since we only got to see him for 0.5s but that doesn't leave much time for the others....


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 19 2014, 9:58pm


    Views: 910
         Well, I'm back!

    I have seen BOTFA and I loved it so much! *bounces up and down* I'm on my phone and looking for a Christmas tree right now so I can't gush all over the place about it yet, but when I can get to my computer I'll be back! With thoughts! Gaaaaah! So much love! So many tears too, but love along with the tears!

    "The skies don't seem to be as dark as usual
    The stars seem brighter than they've been before
    And deep within I feel my soul is stirring
    As though my hope has been restored.

    The shepherds say they've heard the voice of angels
    Confirming rumors spread across the land
    That a child protected well from Herod's anger
    Is our Father's Son and the Son of Man.

    Love is raining down on the world tonight
    There's a presence here I can tell
    God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emanuel."
    ~Amy Grant "God is With Us"


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 19 2014, 10:17pm


    Views: 904
         welcome back!

    Glad you loved it. Curious to what your thoughts are.


    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 19 2014, 10:33pm


    Views: 891
         Hmm

    While I agree there should be more Beorn, I wonder where they're going to find 10 minutes worth.

    The frustration for me re the DOS EE was knowing scenes had been filmed, particularly the dwarves being brought to face Thranduil (as in the book), but then not including them and only seeing the green screen version in the extras.


    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 19 2014, 11:11pm


    Views: 889
         I don't mind at all

    Smile

    The fortunes of the world will rise and fall, but here in this kingdom we will endure!


    On_the_partyelk
    Lorien


    Dec 19 2014, 11:30pm


    Views: 885
         Much appreciated!

    Thanks, for clarification.

    So, this means: he went purposely to Rivenhill and the purpose is not to go home. Not many possibilities why he went there, then, I assume.

    The fortunes of the world will rise and fall, but here in this kingdom we will endure!


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 20 2014, 3:24am


    Views: 916
         Gonna dump some movie reaction here, with emphasis on Thranduil and elves *SPOILERS galore*

    Ok, I'm back home now, I've got my Christmas tree, and even though I've calmed down a bit from the initial excitement, I'm ready to do a bit of a flow-of-consciousness reaction to the movie. This may or may not be in order of how things occurred in the movie but it's kinda rambly and long-winded about the specific characters too:

    First of all I LOVED the whole Smaug destroying Laketown sequence! It was totally how I pictured it in my head and I loved how they did it! Can you believe Bard actually used his own (very, very, brave) son's shoulder to shoot the arrow?! AAAAHHHH!!!!Laugh I'll admit I was already getting teary when Bain was looking all scared and Bard told him "Just look at me son. Only look at me." *sniff* Then Smaug got shot and did exactly what I pictured in my head when reading the book and flew up into the air and then fell back down onto Laketown! And onto the Master. (Couldn't have happened to a more deserving personTongue) My only complaint is that I pictured Smaug spouting fire into the air a few more times before he died...You know...for epic-looking dragon-death-scene's sake.

    Then, I thought they played Thorin's madness really well, it was creepy and foreboding and RA is SUCH a great actor! I also loved that Thorin ended up redeeming himself before charging out of the mountain and I got weepy again when Gandalf said the dwarves were rallying to their king.Frown

    I was really really really happy with Bilbo and MF is SUCH a great actor too! He played all the subtle emotional nuances so well and there were so many sweet Bilbo moments like when Thorin actually stopped being crazy for a minute because of Bilbo and the little acorn he wanted to plant in his garden. *sniff* And I really loved it when Bilbo sneaked out of the mountain and did just like in the book and gave the Arkenstone to Thranduil and Bard. (I KNEW Thranduil would know he was the one who let the dwarves out!!!) And then Thorin's death scene....Oooooh, Thorin's death scene.Frown I had gotten misty eyed though several parts of the movie, but I hadn't actually cried until Bilbo was with dying Thorin and Thorin was telling him to go plant his acorn and if more people valued home over hoarded gold, etc, and then he dies and Bilbo's trying to tell him to hold on, he'll be alright, and the eagles are coming and then he realizes Thorin is really gone and starts weeping, and I just couldn't hold back anymore. I had to cry too.FrownFrownFrownFrown Then I kinda kept crying until Bilbo got back home and I'm really glad they included the auction scene and they showed him getting the silver spoons back from Lobelia Sackville-Baggins and then the transition between younger Bilbo and old Bilbo was the perfect transition between TH and LOTR.Heart

    And speaking of crying, I wasn't particularly happy with how Fili and Kili died. Both their deaths were really kind of upsetting and Kili's was kinda icky too and honestly I wish they had been done a little differently. Seriously though, that may be the only parts of the movie I really didn't like so I'm not going to dwell on it for long.

    Actually, I know there are some people who didn't care for how much screen time Alfrid got, but with the intensity of some of the battle scenes, I really appreciated his comic relief keeping me from getting all depressed. One of the moments I especially thought was funny was then the Laketowners were about to tear him apart near the beginning, and Bard stops them and they drop him on the ground, but then when he tries to get up while Bard is talking, Bard just shoves him back down without missing a beat.Sly

    Speaking of Bard I loved how Bard was portrayed in the movie and I really loved how much he did to protect his children and how you could really feel the love between them.Heart

    Also, I liked Billy Connolly and his lovely scottish accent as Dain who also provided a bit of levity in the midst of the seriousness. I especially loved the little bit of give and take between him and Thranduil when he first showed up and Thranduil actually smirked! and Dain's like "I'll split his pretty head open and see if he's smirking then!"Lol!Laugh Then I loved how the dwarves of the Iron Hills formed that wall with their shields and then the elves just jump over them and start slicing up orcs!

    And speaking of elves...So many elves! So many really hunky *THUD* and butt-kicking , awesome elves!

    Galadriel and Thranduil and Elrond and Leggy! SQUEEEEE!!!!

    Wow, Galadriel doesn't even ask questions, she just comes, explodes orcs and takes care of business! (She's strong too to be able to carry Gandalf like that!) And then she goes nuclear and casts Sauron out while Saruman and Elrond just stand there being blinded by the AWESOMENESS!!! And Elrond got some great action too and I have a new favorite line from Elrond now..."They should have stayed dead! *slice/dice*" Cool Yeeeesssss!!!!

    And then there's Thranduil! *swoon* Not a single bad angle in the whole movie, he was Gorgeous/hunky the whole time! I love how when he first showed up, he showed up on Bubba and I loved actually seeing some emotion from him at the various parts and then that part where poor Bubba the War Elk got taken down by arrows and launches Thrandy into the air, but he just tucks and rolls and lands without a single hair out of place, crouching, waiting for the kill, and then pounces like a WILDCAT and takes those orcs DOWN!!! *THUD* And all the other Thranduil moments were awesome too! *THUD*

    And Leggy, despite ACTUALLY RUNNING OUT OF ARROWS FOR ONCE he was kicking butt all over the place and hanging onto bats and defying the laws of physics while being gorgeous and hunky like his father, and THANK GOODNESS he got to take down Bolg because I hated Bolg already, but I REALLY HATED his disgusting disgustingness after he killed Kili like that.PirateMadFrown(knew Kili's death was coming, just didn't know it was coming like that) I do wonder where Leggy got a new dagger though, because the one he killed Bolg with went down with Bolg. I thought it was really kind of funny when he returned the favor from Thorin saving him in DOS and he saved Thorin by throwing Orcrist, but he really had to think about it for a minute! Like, "Dwarf or pretty sword, dwarf or pretty sword. OH OK FINE! I'll do the right thing and save the dwarf!"Laugh

    I liked Tauriel too of course, and I'm glad she didn't die, but admittedly she wasn't as epic as the other elves. I'm actually ok with that though because it was at a point overall where she just needed to finish playing out her part and didn't need the "hero" moments that Thranduil and Legolas and others needed. Honestly, I was on Thranduil's side, as far as protecting his people goes, when Tauriel tried to stop him from leaving, drew her bow on him and then said he had no love in him. I did disagree with him on telling her that what she felt for Kili wasn't real though, because that wasn't very nice, but it was also wrong of Tauriel to say what she said and I think his bow-slicing reaction was to be expected. I was very glad though that they had the scene near the end where they both kind of redeem themselves to each other when Tauriel is crying over Kili and Thranduil tells her that the reason it hurts so much when someone you love dies it's because the love was real.FrownFrownThat part actually hit me kinda hard cuz I was already crying with Bilbo over Thorin and then Tauriel's and Thranduil's comments kinda hit home because...you know...pretty much everyone's been there, and felt that in some way, or at least will at some point in their lives and I certainly know I've been there and...yeah, it does hurt. Really bad.Frown But as Gandalf said, not all tears are evil.UnsureFrown

    *cough*Anyway, I also appreciated the moment between Thranduil and Legolas that was also sort of a tie-in to LOTR when Thranduil basically give Legolas blessing to leave and, in his own way, via telling him that his mother loved him, essentially tells him that he loves him too. (was kind of hoping the words "I love you" would actually come out of his mouth, but getting the impression Thranduil isn't the type to express those kinds of emotions very well, so I'll take what I can get.)

    I feel I should also address my favorite horn-blowing elf, Feren, because he showed up and actually got several lines! AND he wasn't and elven red-shirt like I thought he'd be! HE SURVIVED!!!

    Sooo...overall, I really loved the movie and thought it was very satisfying and even though there's stuff like Thorin's actual funeral that didn't get included, I know why they didn't include them (time) and with 30 extra minuted coming in the EE, I think we have a lot of great extra scenes to look forward too that will just make this great movie even better.Smile

    (Good grief that was a long post!)

    "The skies don't seem to be as dark as usual
    The stars seem brighter than they've been before
    And deep within I feel my soul is stirring
    As though my hope has been restored.

    The shepherds say they've heard the voice of angels
    Confirming rumors spread across the land
    That a child protected well from Herod's anger
    Is our Father's Son and the Son of Man.

    Love is raining down on the world tonight
    There's a presence here I can tell
    God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emanuel."
    ~Amy Grant "God is With Us"


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 20 2014, 3:35am


    Views: 863
         Thanks!

    Quite a few of my thoughts are now in the long-winded review below, but I'll also be posting all over this thread by tomorrow and maybe we'll even get to start a new one and post some more!Cool

    "The skies don't seem to be as dark as usual
    The stars seem brighter than they've been before
    And deep within I feel my soul is stirring
    As though my hope has been restored.

    The shepherds say they've heard the voice of angels
    Confirming rumors spread across the land
    That a child protected well from Herod's anger
    Is our Father's Son and the Son of Man.

    Love is raining down on the world tonight
    There's a presence here I can tell
    God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emanuel."
    ~Amy Grant "God is With Us"


    Cirashala
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 20 2014, 7:33am


    Views: 854
         Erm, guys....

    I have my default settings to view 100 posts per page, and this is still buried on PAGE 4.

    I'd say this thread has been effectively buried, fossilized, petrified- you name it Crazy....you might want to start up a new one that's not approaching the 500th post down mark if you want people to still be able to see it (yes, even us non-thrall lurkers Wink)...



    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 20 2014, 10:43am


    Views: 820
         Relax, we're good and still rolling on: posters are posting, and postcount is rising

    We'll get to threadlock as usual. Besides, seems like Eruvandi is going to make a run for threadlock, so we'll be seeing thread 29 soon. we're less than 40 posts away. Easy peasy.

    To quickly access the current TA, you just need to change the view to "Activity" instead of "Creation" on the thread headings since there's usually someone posting like within a day.
    "Also, if you click on the "creation" bit in the "Age" column (last one) when you view a forum, it changes to "activity", and you get a list of threads which has been recently posted to, instead of when they were started. It's a much easier way to find the current TA thread since someone will probably post in it, and it usually appears on page 1 of the activity view. Certainly beats going back through the board to look for it."

    Of course, this works for other threads as well. Just remember: this helpful bit, like every PSA for visitors to TA, is on the OP of every TA thread.Smile

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    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 20 2014, 10:58am


    Views: 822
         Thanks, mariel

    Silverlode made valid points. Particularly the bit about Thranduil's royal house name/emblem/jewels. Much more sensible than just 'em-jewels-were-for-wifeyCrazy

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    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 20 2014, 11:08am


    Views: 821
         Further thoughts

    I had started to reply to points in your post, but while I was gathering my thoughts I took too long and the system logged me out. I was too tired to start again last night, so need to make another attempt today. I'll compose it on a word doc this time so my efforts aren't wasted Unsure


    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 20 2014, 1:15pm


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         Sorry to hear... and my initial list of random ramble

    Hopefully this time things work out for your posting. (Did you try clicking the back-button when it timed out? The timeout had happened to me before - doesn't work every time but worth a click)

    And I've posted my list and thoughts in the review thread here. Looking at it, I am rather surprised it came out more positive than I seem to be feeling about it. Maybe I'm finally processing it... but I'll reserve further comments and thoughts until my second viewing on Tuesday.Evil

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    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 20 2014, 2:14pm


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         Some nice artwork for decoration












    Cirashala
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 20 2014, 8:38pm


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         fair enough

    I view things in flat mode, rather than threaded though- I can't stand threaded (click on a post, read, then have to go back to continue to the next one- blech). Can I still view activity while being able to stay in flat mode?



    Dragonrnbw
    Rivendell

    Dec 20 2014, 8:52pm


    Views: 850
         Issues with the back story

    FrownAm I the only one having major issues with Thranduil’s back story?
    Let me start off saying I have great respect for PJ and Company. I loved the LOTR and walked into the Hobbit with the same love. Yet, I shed no tears..I found the story rushed and memorable scenes I remembered so fondly from the books gone. I am also confused how someone who paid such close attentions to details in the clothing, sets, and props have such crazy holes in the plot/ story???
    Now to Thranduil and some problems I have with him
    AGE:
    – I love Lee Pace. He did an awesome job. Now he needs to stop doing interviews and I need to stop reading what he says about Thranduil.
    Lee goes on and on about Thranduil being so old. Then he states Thranduil is 3000 years old. OK 3000 years old is YOUNG in the lives of the Eldar. Many are much older than him! In fact he is not much older than Arwen and her brothers.
    - Also add to it Legolas is supposed to be 2931 at the time of LOTR. His son is almost as old as him!
    - If he is 3000 during the Hobbit then he is tender 52 years old in War of the last Alliance – too young in my opinion.


    - Also in one interview he states Thranduil was alive in the First Age…WHAT?????Crazy

    I am aware that PJ couldn’t use the HOME, Unfinished Tales, etc…but they could have and should have let that guide them.
    <<I personally believe Thranduil was born much earlier in the SA – after his father migrated. I believe his Mother was one of the Silvan elves that his father met after coming to Greenwood. >>

    ISOLATONISM:
    I can somewhat go with PJ on this but, I don’t really see Thranduil as shutting the world out or fading. As Lee and PJ company state. I see him moving north and making his halls as a war lesson learned well. The battle of the Last Alliance last 8 years. Why so long? Because the elves attacked a well-supplied fortress. It is easier to defend your home than to pack all and go attack. So Thranduil making his halls and moving north is just smart and probably a lesson learned from WOLA. It even states this in the Hobbit book how it was used to protect his people. The Hobbit also suggests he was very friendly with Men and had good dealings. He also went out often and hunted with his people.
    I see no evidence of fading or retreating from the world. Just a King who loves his people and their way of life enough to build a strong hold to protect it!
    WEALTH:
    Lee states Thranduil doesn’t care what others think. From the Hobbit book I get a different impression. I see Thranduil as someone who loves his people but who is also aware of how his people are viewed by the outside. He knows they are not viewed in the same light as the other Elves. Less wise. Which is why he wants to acquire more gems and riches. Money and wealth talk…even in Middle Earth. Wink
    This also supports – to me- that he did not fade with his people. I see him as leading his people on the last great journey. I see him on the bow of a boat sailing into the west. Doing his last great act as their King – leading them home.

    WIFE:
    I believe she is dead. How unsure. I can swallow she was killed by orcs. I am having a HARD time with she was killed in battle …saving her child, by a dragon?. Look at the time line of events. PJ story suggests Legolas was very young when she dies. So young he has no memory. Ok…so that would put him under a year of age at her death. (per Laws and Customs of the Eldar – children develop much faster mentally than mortal – they are walking and talking within the first year.)
    Now some say Legolas didn’t have to be directly there for his mother to die for him. Yes…but why would Thranduil even allow that? Come on…it is crazy to have BOTH parents go off to battle with a very young child. Surely one would have enough sense to stay behind. Who would care for the child if both died? They didn’t think of that? I cant believe that. Unimpressed
    Sooo how did the young family wind up in a battle? Also is Legolas is 2931 at LOTR then there is no way we can be an infant at the time of the battle. Crazy


    Thranduil so heartbroken he can’t talk about it?? Nope can’t buy this either. Not THAT long after her death. Does he not know she will come back? <<Spirits of dead Elves go to the Halls of Mandos in Valinor. After a certain period of time and rest that serves as "cleansing", their spirits are clothed in bodies identical to their old ones.] However, they almost never go back to Middle-earth and remain in Valinor instead . >> So his father and wife will come back and be living in the West. (another reason that strongly points to Thranduil going West – all his family is there)
    Why doesn’t he die of a broken heart? Because he has to raise Legolas..ok I can swallow that one.

    The gems – I can see him going to the mountain to get them back. Yes . But to actually FIGHT for them NO!

    Why did he have a necklace made for his wife after her death? And how can that be the last thing he has of her? She had no jewelry???? No trinkets? No pictures? What was she burned up by a dragon on a cart with all her stuff???? Thranduil NEVER gave her any other jewel?
    - Is it the last thing she owned before her death?? Nope she was dead before it was made so it is really not making much sense to me.

    If she was killed when Legolas was an infant then the necklace was made WELL after her death. So how can it be her last thing?

    This plot/story has more holes than Swiss cheese!!!Unsure

    LOVE:
    Thranduil is so torn up by the loss of his wife he cannot let love near him??? WHAT??? Thranduil’s actions show that LOVE is very much a part of him and it is LOVE that controls his actions.
    - He LOVES his people enough not to risk them fighting Smaug and then later BOTFA. Heart
    - He LOVES Middle Earth enough to FIGHT for it and put people he loves in harm’s way. Heart
    - He must have felt some love for Tauriel to take her in and favor her???Heart
    - We know he loves Legolas. Heart
    - His desire to protect his people comes from love..Heart
    He has LOVE allll over him so how is it he cannot be near it??? What was his motivation to protect? If he didn’t love his people more than the gems he would have attacked the mountain long before.


    I just don’t get this entire story line. It makes no sense to me! I sometimes wonder if the reason they don’t tell us more is because it has so many holes in it. Just like the line where he tells him to find Strider. Now we all know he is only 10 years old and does not have that name yet. I am pretty sure he did that to clue in people who haven’t read the books. I wish PJ wouldn’t dumb up the fans…we know it doesn’t fit..let the non-obsessed fans look it up rather than toss something in that isn’t correct! Frown

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    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 21 2014, 12:13am


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         Love these!

    Thanks VValar! Although I guess these will have to be my re-entry gift instead of my exit gift since I didn't see them then, they're still great!Smile

    I think that first pic should be titled "Crouching Thranduil, Hidden Elf"!Wink

    "The skies don't seem to be as dark as usual
    The stars seem brighter than they've been before
    And deep within I feel my soul is stirring
    As though my hope has been restored.

    The shepherds say they've heard the voice of angels
    Confirming rumors spread across the land
    That a child protected well from Herod's anger
    Is our Father's Son and the Son of Man.

    Love is raining down on the world tonight
    There's a presence here I can tell
    God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emanuel."
    ~Amy Grant "God is With Us"


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 21 2014, 12:19am


    Views: 791
         Yeah

    I remember this one Vlog scene where he's going down this path just slicing up orcs and IMO it looked different from the one in the movie. Also, what happened to that hawt sword-draw from Vlog 11 near the rock? Was that the same sword-draw as the movie or a different one? Also, what about that HR poster where you can see other elves in the background and he doesn't have any blood on his face yet, but he's clearly in Dale and it's snowing and he's staring at something?

    Although the action he got in Bofa was pretty awesome, I really thought he'd get more, and I hope he'll get more in the EE.

    "The skies don't seem to be as dark as usual
    The stars seem brighter than they've been before
    And deep within I feel my soul is stirring
    As though my hope has been restored.

    The shepherds say they've heard the voice of angels
    Confirming rumors spread across the land
    That a child protected well from Herod's anger
    Is our Father's Son and the Son of Man.

    Love is raining down on the world tonight
    There's a presence here I can tell
    God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emanuel."
    ~Amy Grant "God is With Us"


    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 21 2014, 1:51am


    Views: 757
         It's a toggle function

    so why don't you try it? Or post a question in Feedback?

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    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 21 2014, 1:54am


    Views: 875
         Just have to say this: SQUEEEEEE

    HeartOh my... we should have had the defining moment of Thranduil deciding to engage after all. All we we got were the aftermath or the outcome of his decisionsFrown Elves jumping over the Dwarves to go at the orcs, his appearance and aid-bringing to Dale. And where is the big showcase of the greatest swordsman/warrior in Middle-earth?CrazyUnimpressed

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    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 21 2014, 2:00am


    Views: 866
         methinks

    ...OT and funny that i was about to post about the same things you mentioned... but yes, I was wondering about the lovely stills/vlog stuff we got early on that seemed to be in the same location. Suspect we might only know for sure with the extras in the EE... if thatFrown

    I would venture to say that hawt sword draw (*THUD*)) though, seemed like something that happened between Thranduil getting thrown from Bubba (poor deer), and the confrontation between him and Tauriel. That LOOK in the HR poster, if I were the betting sort, I'd wager it's at the point when he decides to actually engage, so before the Dale carnage?

    Regardless... MORE ThranduilHeartHeartHeartHeartHeart dammit!

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    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 21 2014, 2:01am


    Views: 866
         LoL


    In Reply To
    I think that first pic should be titled "Crouching Thranduil, Hidden Elf"!Wink

    And utter MFE!HeartAngelic


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    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 21 2014, 2:04am


    Views: 870
         *SQUEE* OH... thank you so much for this VValar!

    Just... *wordlessly thud*...

    This is perfect! Now all we need is for some talented person to imcorporate audio and make a proper vid of itHeartAngelic

    *happily SAVES*

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    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 21 2014, 2:07am


    Views: 866
         Pretty! Decor indeed

    Thanks, marielSmile

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    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 21 2014, 2:48am


    Views: 867
         Great gifs!

    The background on those is so beautiful! Almost as beautiful as Thranduil himself. Angelic

    "The skies don't seem to be as dark as usual
    The stars seem brighter than they've been before
    And deep within I feel my soul is stirring
    As though my hope has been restored.

    The shepherds say they've heard the voice of angels
    Confirming rumors spread across the land
    That a child protected well from Herod's anger
    Is our Father's Son and the Son of Man.

    Love is raining down on the world tonight
    There's a presence here I can tell
    God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emanuel."
    ~Amy Grant "God is With Us"


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 21 2014, 2:55am


    Views: 836
         Nice!

    Thranduil...so...pretty...can't...handle...the gorgeousness! *THUD*

    Also, my temptation to draw him myself is growing but I'm afraid it wouldn't be that good. We'll have to wait and see what happens I guess. Evil

    "The skies don't seem to be as dark as usual
    The stars seem brighter than they've been before
    And deep within I feel my soul is stirring
    As though my hope has been restored.

    The shepherds say they've heard the voice of angels
    Confirming rumors spread across the land
    That a child protected well from Herod's anger
    Is our Father's Son and the Son of Man.

    Love is raining down on the world tonight
    There's a presence here I can tell
    God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emanuel."
    ~Amy Grant "God is With Us"


    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 21 2014, 3:02am


    Views: 867
         *waves* Hi Dragonrnbw. You're not alone

    Welcome, and thanks so much for articulating these thoughts. I've often wanted to write up my thoughts, but gave up because well... anyway, I agree with almost everything you say, so thank you again for doing it.


    In Reply To
    Let me start off saying I have great respect for PJ and Company. I loved the LOTR and walked into the Hobbit with the same love. Yet, I shed no tears..I found the story rushed and memorable scenes I remembered so fondly from the books gone. I am also confused how someone who paid such close attentions to details in the clothing, sets, and props have such crazy holes in the plot/ story???

    I have the same conflicting frustrations and affection with the story development and treatment.

    Sure, LotR is not perfect either but there seemed a better awareness of going closer to book than not where there's a choice. This I believe boils down, in part, to actual life-long fans in the form of Christopher Lee and Ian McKellan feeling strongly and actually speaking up for changes and decisions that's pro-books.

    And sure TH is much less substantial as a book for a trilogy-so understandably the team decided to mine LotR appendices and co-opt stuff from copyrighted materials they can't touch directly. But when they decide to wing it and free-style parts of the story, and especially to depart from the actual narrative, and there's no Christoper Lee or Ian McKellan to reign in their wilder tendencies, that's where the trouble starts, and things get into a quagmire.



    In Reply To
    AGE:
    – I love Lee Pace. He did an awesome job. Now he needs to stop doing interviews and I need to stop reading what he says about Thranduil.
    Lee goes on and on about Thranduil being so old. Then he states Thranduil is 3000 years old. OK 3000 years old is YOUNG in the lives of the Eldar. Many are much older than him! In fact he is not much older than Arwen and her brothers.
    - Also add to it Legolas is supposed to be 2931 at the time of LOTR. His son is almost as old as him!
    - If he is 3000 during the Hobbit then he is tender 52 years old in War of the last Alliance – too young in my opinion.


    - Also in one interview he states Thranduil was alive in the First Age…WHAT?????Crazy

    Yup. Again, ditto. The first time I heard LP say it, I was going "Woah..." and the thought about, Legolas' movie age popped into my head too. I remember going "What's this guy on?" But I've changed my mind since. I can't claim to know the inner workings of the team nor to know anyone or have any inside knowledge, but this strange problem we see here I place squarely on PJ and PB. Please bear in mind, I'm not trying to defend LP just cos, but from the interviews I've seen/read of him, for TH and other stuff, I get the feeling he takes his work really seriously and treats all his roles with respect and research the heck out of them, and he seemed to be conscious of being the spokesman for his roles. Aside from the age thing, he's shown himself to be quite the geek in all things Thranduil. So I think that as any good student would, and in the face of nothing concrete on the fact, LP would not pull out any random number but had probably taken the number PB/PJ gave him as Thranduil's age.

    One personal note: I have Thranduil pegged as a FA Elf, just from the experience needed to not only get through the WoLA, but also suddenly having to become commander and continue from thence to the throne back at home, and also his penchant for underground fortresses.Smile


    In Reply To
    This plot/story has more holes than Swiss cheese!!!Unsure

    Again, Yup! Really, the rest of your post is very thoughtful and well thought-out, and I find myself nodding, in agreement, not sleepiness. Bravo! I'd just to add
    - like you say, money talks. Even if the Mirkwood Elves were not viewed in a different light, I imagine that Thranduil is enough of a savvy ruler to understand the power of economics. Besides, hey the Mirkwood Elves are the same sort as Lothlorien Elves. If Mirkwood has problems with image, so do the Lothy ones, to a certain extent. The gap is of course made up for by Galadriel and the power of Nenya. But the filling of that gap is really down to the personal glamour of
    Galadriel and her Ring more than any real benefit to the rustic peasants in Lothlorien, imo. Going back to Thranduil, I cannot believe he would throw his people at a venture that seemed to be defined as just a personal quest reclaiming a memento either.
    - the wifey bit. Again, bizarre. I suspect this is a curious side-effect of the so-called initiative for female representation. After making one warrior female Elf, for whom they cannalised time (along with Legolas who imo, has too much screentime too) that should be devoted to Thranduil, and then wasting all that setup to have her end as a trope, Thranduil's wife was trotted out as another sally at romanticising the notion of empowerment for girls in the narrative. Again, bizarre, because there was no hint of her ghost since the start until Legolas mentioned his mother in BotFA. Another "Wha...." moment. Poor story-telling again, imo.



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    I just don’t get this entire story line. It makes no sense to me! I sometimes wonder if the reason they don’t tell us more is because it has so many holes in it. Just like the line where he tells him to find Strider. Now we all know he is only 10 years old and does not have that name yet. I am pretty sure he did that to clue in people who haven’t read the books. I wish PJ wouldn’t dumb up the fans…we know it doesn’t fit..let the non-obsessed fans look it up rather than toss something in that isn’t correct! Frown

    I have nothing to add, except to cite this (emphasis mine), and say this: this is the perfect piece of evidence of the team winging it as they like when they feel like it.

    I definitely have my problems with Thranduil's character-arc in the movie, but honestly, I like the dangerous fey LP projects as this MAGNIFICENT ELF, which to me, does evoke FA!Elf for me. There was little enough of the Elvenking in the book that for one, I'm happy for the room to create. Sound contradictory I know. But even with the confusing and strange and senseless creative decisions PJ made about Thranduil, the ambivalance in what we were given of his character made him more real and solid than the others we've got throughout the ME movies. Thranduil is the best Elf of the ME movie-verse, to me, not only because of his perfect beauty, but because of his solidness as an imperfect entity of ME.

    There are moments that I caught that hint at the potential, if only there was some proper scene setup and proper progression. For example, Thranduil's grand entrance. His arrival in Dale with aid clearly shows compassion, albeit tempered with pragmatism (Dale is a great staging area for the chain-gang that would be needed to empty the obscenely overflowing glittery in Halls of Erebor). His immediate disclaimer to Bard about any altruism is quite telling to me - Thranduil abhors misrepresentation and disingenuity - which informs the confrontation scene with Thorin in DoS. But it's too short, and there's too little of it!

    Also, it's ridiculous that the writers talk so much about Thranduil's backstory informing what happens in the movie when so much of it is not even evident, to the point of if you're not a fan who reads/watches interviews and the paraphernalia, you simply DON'T KNOW. That, to me is a serious failing of not just movie-making, but story-telling. Backstories outside of the delivered product should enhance, augment, not be requisite for "getting it". The movie-makers seemed at times confused about who their audience is, or even what medium they're working in. I suspect this may be partly due to meddling studios with an eye on the profile margin. The bizarre focus on linking TH to LotR in some of those trailers and PR stuff is evidence enough, imo.

    So please make room on the bandwagon, because there's at least one other person here who has a ticket on itSmileUnimpressed



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    Dec 21 2014, 3:04am


    Views: 861
         *waves* Hey Eruvandi!


    In Reply To
    Also, my temptation to draw him myself is growing but I'm afraid it wouldn't be that good. We'll have to wait and see what happens I guess. Evil

    Do it!Smile


    And OT: How long do you have to be online? You reckon we could bring this to threadlock between the two of us?TongueCool

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    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 21 2014, 3:39am


    Views: 854
         Questions for those who have seen BotFa twice or more

    How many times so far?

    How has your perception of Thranduil and his character arc changed?

    "I'll say dark and gritty, which, with the Elvenking, translates as Hot and Sexy. Cool" - vanima ephel



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    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 21 2014, 7:06am


    Views: 871
         Vids: Hero Complex Q&A with Richard Armitage and Lee Pace on Dec 11th, 2014 [spoilers]

    Part 1: http://youtu.be/b3EUMUVJXN4
    Part 2: http://youtu.be/mDro8KDdSyg
    Source

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    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 21 2014, 7:35am


    Views: 864
         Vid: Lee Pace and Richard Armitage Apple Q&A

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzMpBUClCmY

    "I'll say dark and gritty, which, with the Elvenking, translates as Hot and Sexy. Cool" - vanima ephel



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    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 21 2014, 8:19am


    Views: 847
         Standing in line behind Lurker

    Hi Dragonrnbw.Smile I'd like to add my thanks for expressing so eloquently the same issues I've had. I don't think I have anything extra to add to what both you and Lurker have said, but you'd better make another space on that bandwagon!


    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 21 2014, 8:42am


    Views: 831
         Agreeing with your comments too

    ...plus the below is one of my gripes

    quote

    Also, it's ridiculous that the writers talk so much about Thranduil's backstory informing what happens in the movie when so much of it is not even evident, to the point of if you're not a fan who reads/watches interviews and the paraphernalia, you simply DON'T KNOW. That, to me is a serious failing of not just movie-making, but story-telling. Backstories outside of the delivered product should enhance, augment, not be requisite for "getting it". The movie-makers seemed at times confused about who their audience is, or even what medium they're working in. I suspect this may be partly due to meddling studios with an eye on the profile margin. The bizarre focus on linking TH to LotR in some of those trailers and PR stuff is evidence enough, imo.
    _____________________________________________

    eg Reference the whole necklace plot. The white gems don't even make it into the TE of the AUJ and are only referenced in DOS as "white gems in the mountain that I too desire" without ever giving any significance as to what they represent. Then in BotFA Thorin picks up a random necklace and refers to it as gems of Lasgalen (or words to that effect) - again Lasgalen has never been mentioned before. Thranduil himself never refers to the gems he desires being in the form of a necklace....

    Also regarding the time lines of the making of said necklace in the first place. Are we to assume the necklace was commissioned whilst his wife was still alive and that she subsequently died when Legolas was too young to remember her? If so, considering Legolas is older than Tauriel and she is 600, those dwarves took an awful long time making it!


    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Dec 21 2014, 9:26am


    Views: 844
         Addendum: A quickie fix-it ficlet because ARGH! I can't stand it =P

    (Nope, I do not agree with the ending scene between Thranduil and Legolas, at allCrazy)

    In the dimness, the blades upon the wall shone as cold shards, as the shadow figure moved with confidence within the royal armoury.

    "Looking for something?" asked a voice out of the dark.

    Startled, the figure turned toward the voice. "Adar!"

    Thranduil had already lighted a candle. By its light, he looked upon his son, who had the grace to be embarrassed at being caught skulking in his private armoury. "Well?"

    Painfully aware of how disreputable he looked, Legolas mustered what little pride he felt and composed himself. Then striding past his father, the young elf-lord reached for the pair of white knives on the ornate stand. "Your counsel was false," he said evenly.

    "I know," the Elvenking said in that languid tone Legolas was too familiar with.

    "You knew?" Legolas spun around, facing his father, immaculate in his night robes. "Why then did you send me on this futile quest?" Legolas demanded, his grip on his precious knives unconsciously tightened.

    Thranduil looked long at his travel-worn son. " I knew, only after it was pointed out to me." He sighed. "Suffice it to say my trust was... sorely misplaced."

    "Someone gave you false information?" Legolas was incredulous. Few were those from without the Forest who had the trust of the Elvenking.

    "I will not say more but that it involved a device that shows things that were, and things that are, and things that yet may be."

    "And what went awry, that I spent months on a fruitless quest?" Legolas asked, strangely calm.

    "The note on the report that said 'things that yet may be' was left out," the king said pleasantly.

    "And who gave you this report?" asked Legolas politely, as he began cleaning his knives.

    "It is of no moment now. Come, you will tell me of your adventures, and how you managed without weapons or supplies."

    Legolas sighed. "It was not easy, Adar," he said wearily.

    "I am well aware of that," Thranduil assured him. "You did not expect special dispensation then, surely you do not expect it now."

    Legolas looked at his father, his eyebrows raised in question.

    Thranduil beckoned and he followed his tall father out of the armoury. "Mithrandir sent word. There is a creature ranging about the Realm he wants captured. After breakfast, you will join in the search."

    There was a few hours yet to sunrise. Legolas sheathed his knives, content with their familiar heft upon his back. Then he drew a breath and waited for his father to shut the armoury. "Yes, my lord."

    *runs off to hide under covers*

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    mariel
    Lorien


    Dec 21 2014, 9:43am


    Views: 817
         Nice!

    Enjoyed that. Pity PJ didn't hire you as one of the script writers Laugh


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 21 2014, 3:36pm


    Views: 795
         Went to sleep right after I posted

    I was hoping we would've been able to reach thread lock yesterday but Saturdays are always busier than I think they'll be. Evil Maybe we'll get there today? Only 10 posts to go after all. I'll have to start looking for an OP pic in case it happens during my day and no one else beats me to it.Smile

    "The skies don't seem to be as dark as usual
    The stars seem brighter than they've been before
    And deep within I feel my soul is stirring
    As though my hope has been restored.

    The shepherds say they've heard the voice of angels
    Confirming rumors spread across the land
    That a child protected well from Herod's anger
    Is our Father's Son and the Son of Man.

    Love is raining down on the world tonight
    There's a presence here I can tell
    God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emanuel."
    ~Amy Grant "God is With Us"


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 21 2014, 3:45pm


    Views: 772
         Love his smirk

    Although Dain apparently didn't! CrazyWink Nice to actually see something of a smile from him anyway.

    "The skies don't seem to be as dark as usual
    The stars seem brighter than they've been before
    And deep within I feel my soul is stirring
    As though my hope has been restored.

    The shepherds say they've heard the voice of angels
    Confirming rumors spread across the land
    That a child protected well from Herod's anger
    Is our Father's Son and the Son of Man.

    Love is raining down on the world tonight
    There's a presence here I can tell
    God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emanuel."
    ~Amy Grant "God is With Us"


    Dragonrnbw
    Rivendell

    Dec 21 2014, 3:57pm


    Views: 804
         Thanks Lurker! =)

    Aww Thanks for such a warm welcome! SmileHeart I shall make plenty of room! It is good to know I am not alone in this!! I was starting to wonder why more haven’t squawked!
    While I loved parts of the film – mainly Thranduil – as said before I think Lee did a great job – I also feel cheated! =( I was so looking forward to seeing and learning more about the Mirkwood elves!!!

    So adding to my original rant and expanding on your thoughts-

    << Yup. Again, ditto. The first time I heard LP say it, I was going "Woah..." and the thought about, Legolas' movie age popped into my head too. I remember going "What's this guy on?" But I've changed my mind since. I can't claim to know the inner workings of the team nor to know anyone or have any inside knowledge, but this strange problem we see here I place squarely on PJ and PB. Please bear in mind, I'm not trying to defend LP just cos, but from the interviews I've seen/read of him, for TH and other stuff, I get the feeling he takes his work really seriously and treats all his roles with respect and research the heck out of them, and he seemed to be conscious of being the spokesman for his roles. Aside from the age thing, he's shown himself to be quite the geek in all things Thranduil. So I think that as any good student would, and in the face of nothing concrete on the fact, LP would not pull out any random number but had probably taken the number PB/PJ gave him as Thranduil's age. >>

    I agree Lee took what age PJ and PB gave him. I remember in an interview Lee had said he hadn’t read all the books. I am somewhat disappointed in him about this.Frown I would have thought if he didn’t read all the books and material Tolkien has out there – he would at least read all Tolkien said about the elves. If Lee HAD I think he would have added much more and could have helped steer PB away from that awful back story!
    I think he did an awesome job with what he was given. I loved Thranduil’s eye rolls and looks. I had no issues with this different twist on the character. I am just bothered that they could have had the same effect and emotional response without making up some goofy and unbelievable back story. They could have remained true to the Tolkien spirt and still have Thranduil. Smile

    Lee said that it makes sense that Thranduil’s coldness comes from pain. I agree. And Tolkien GAVE us that source of pain and backstory! His father and people being slaughtered at the WoLA! It’s RIGHT THERE! No need to make up dragons burning alive Legolas’ mother!! *bangs head on wall* Tolkien set it up for us…why on Middle Earth didn’t PB and PJ use that????Mad

    << One personal note: I have Thranduil pegged as a FA Elf, just from the experience needed to not only get through the WoLA, but also suddenly having to become commander and continue from thence to the throne back at home, and also his penchant for underground fortresses. >>

    I too first thought of Thranduil as being born in the FA. (and sometimes I still go back to that thought) After I read the essay on Silvan Princes I changed my mind. It states Thranduil’s father and a handful of elves migrated to the Greenwood..for some reason my gut feels if Thranduil was alive at the time Tolkien would have mentioned him. I also think some of Thranduil’s pain is that he was somewhat a young elf at WoLA. Not 50 but young. I see it as his first MAJOR battle. I picture Thranduil as a fun and happy Prince. Heads to war with a father he adores and admires, friends he has grown up with. Then on the first day of 8 long years he sees the people he holds dear slaughtered in front of him. FrownHe returns home now a King with a huge and heave burden on him. A prince who never wanted and wasn’t ready to be King.
    Which plays into my head cannon on why Thranduil didn’t take Legolas with him in the BoFA – he didn’t want his son on the battle field with him. He didn’t want to repeat history.


    On a side note…What happened to Thranduil’s Mother??? Curious on what you think about her.




    << Also, it's ridiculous that the writers talk so much about Thranduil's backstory informing what happens in the movie when so much of it is not even evident, to the point of if you're not a fan who reads/watches interviews and the paraphernalia, you simply DON'T KNOW. That, to me is a serious failing of not just movie-making, but story-telling. Backstories outside of the delivered product should enhance, augment, not be requisite for "getting it". The movie-makers seemed at times confused about who their audience is, or even what medium they're working in. I suspect this may be partly due to meddling studios with an eye on the profile margin. The bizarre focus on linking TH to LotR in some of those trailers and PR stuff is evidence enough, imo.>>

    AMEN!!!!!!! I almost feel they are scrambling trying to make sense of the goofy story line because they know the true fans are upset. And with good reason! The more duct tape they try to add to stop to leak the more water the let in!! Unimpressed


    << There are moments that I caught that hint at the potential, if only there was some proper scene setup and proper progression>>

    Again AMEN!! I feel so much was missed! I am also wondering what happened to things we were told that do not appear in the film. Lee went on and on about what a great battle warrior he is. Ummmm….WHERE?? Yes I see some cool moves but no TIDE TURNER as Lee suggested. In fact I feel the Dwarves kicked more butt than the elves!! Frown

    That said I DO think we are missing several scenes and I hope they are in the EE. ( I find it sad that in order to get the entire story we now must rely on EE. It used to be the MOVIE told the story and the EE was just bonus stuff! =( SMH!) Unsure

    I think the scene where Thranduil and Tauriel confront each other..when Legolas steps in..Lee’s expression doesn’t fit. The end expression looks as if Thranduil is stricken with something Legolas says. Legolas hit his heart. Per PB Thranduil is well aware of Legolas’ feelings for Tauriel so Legolas standing up for her should be NO surprise. So why the stricken look? I have re-watched the clip and I swear it looks as if it has been cut from when Legolas stops talking to his father to when he turns and leaves. The pause is too long for me with no additional words.
    I also think that it must be what Legolas says to his father and his leaving with Tauriel that Thranduil NOW decides to FIGHT. We know he doesn’t leave with his army…PJ and PB leave us kinda hanging there. Does Thranduil just stay there until the battle is finished? Nooo no no no… it doesn’t feel right…what does is that Thranduil makes his decision and then REALLY engages in the battle..turning the tide in Dale. Those are the scenes we saw in VLogs and in magazines that are missing.
    So the dwarves are winning on the field by the entrance, Thranduil and men winning in Dale..Thorin takes out the leader..and Boren and the Eagles take out the Raven Hill.

    I think PB and PJs take on Thranduil has given and added some positive slants on him. I did like his sassiness with Gandalf. About time someone gave him a hard time and Thranduil was just the one to do it! LOL! I hope to soon write some stories…hopefully they won’t suck! LOL!!

    I enjoyed reading your thoughts on Thranduil and that awful back story! SmileI always like to hear different intelligent takes on Thranduil and Tolkien’s Middle Earth. The elves are my favorite topic! (Shocking I know) Cool

    While I enjoyed the movie – I’ve seen it twice and will probably go see it one more time – I just feel too many loose ends and holes in certain areas. So much lost potential and so many ignorant mistakes. I may be somewhat unfair..but I do hold PB and PJ to a higher standard. They could have done a heck of a lot better in my opinion! Unsure

    Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for thou are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!


    Dragonrnbw
    Rivendell

    Dec 21 2014, 4:01pm


    Views: 776
         Yep

    <<Also regarding the time lines of the making of said necklace in the first place. Are we to assume the necklace was commissioned whilst his wife was still alive and that she subsequently died when Legolas was too young to remember her? If so, considering Legolas is older than Tauriel and she is 600, those dwarves took an awful long time making it! >>

    Not only that but PB and PJ kept saying how Legolas and Tauriel 'grew up' together. Well, IF Legolas is 2931 years old..he was pretty much GROWN by the time Tauriel comes around!Crazy He is literally old enough to be her father!!!!Shocked

    I have made room for you too...*hands over a warm cup of tea*Smile

    Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for thou are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!


    Me85
    Rivendell

    Dec 21 2014, 5:26pm


    Views: 802
         thranduil backstory

     

    Quote
    Also, it's ridiculous that the writers talk so much about Thranduil's backstory informing what happens in the movie when so much of it is not even evident, to the point of if you're not a fan who reads/watches interviews and the paraphernalia, you simply DON'T KNOW. That, to me is a serious failing of not just movie-making, but story-telling. Backstories outside of the delivered product should enhance, augment, not be requisite for "getting it". The movie-makers seemed at times confused about who their audience is, or even what medium they're working in. I suspect this may be partly due to meddling studios with an eye on the profile margin. The bizarre focus on linking TH to LotR in some of those trailers and PR stuff is evidence enough, imo.>> 


    PB said they wanted to surprise the audience with thranduil in the end. She referred to the scenes when he says "what do you know of love? " and " your mother loved you more than life itself". I guess thats why they kept his back story hidden so that when the audience sees those scenes they'll be like wow he isn't just a cold hearted jerk. However, if they really wanted to surprise the audience with thranduil they should have made clear in the movie that those gems he kept talking about belonged to his dead wife. He wasn't just being greedy. It would have changed the whole perspective people (mostly the general audience) have of Thranduil.

    PB also said they had more scenes referring to legolas' mother and PJ said the story about the gems would be fleshed out a bit more in the EE.
    I really hope he does and that everything will become a bit more clear. Still, it should have been in the TE.


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 21 2014, 5:30pm


    Views: 784
         Lack of Bubba armor

    I had wondered why Bubba didn't have any armor at first too, but like you said, the dwarves and orcs arrived unexpectedly. Thranduil initially thought it was just him, Bard and their respective armies going up against thirteen dwarves who've barricaded themselves in the mountain. That wouldn't have been much of a battle and therefore there was no reason to put armor on Bubba. Poor Bubba.Frown

    I figure the only reason Thranduil, Bard and their armies even wore any kind of protection was mostly for the pure intimidation factor and maybe a little bit of concern that Thorin and Company would do something crazy and actually try attacking. Good thing they at least came prepared, or the big battle may have turned out differently.

    "The skies don't seem to be as dark as usual
    The stars seem brighter than they've been before
    And deep within I feel my soul is stirring
    As though my hope has been restored.

    The shepherds say they've heard the voice of angels
    Confirming rumors spread across the land
    That a child protected well from Herod's anger
    Is our Father's Son and the Son of Man.

    Love is raining down on the world tonight
    There's a presence here I can tell
    God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emanuel."
    ~Amy Grant "God is With Us"


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 21 2014, 5:37pm


    Views: 770
         Pretty!

    *saves all pics*

    I think I've found the pic for the next OP too.Smile

    "The skies don't seem to be as dark as usual
    The stars seem brighter than they've been before
    And deep within I feel my soul is stirring
    As though my hope has been restored.

    The shepherds say they've heard the voice of angels
    Confirming rumors spread across the land
    That a child protected well from Herod's anger
    Is our Father's Son and the Son of Man.

    Love is raining down on the world tonight
    There's a presence here I can tell
    God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emanuel."
    ~Amy Grant "God is With Us"


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 21 2014, 5:48pm


    Views: 773
         Good to finally see this

    I'd heard LP was on Today Show at some point but I hadn't been able to watch it at the time. Looks like they had quite a rollicking good time!Smile

    Lol on Al Roker, referring to LP's comment on not being a Christmas elf, saying "I wouldn't want to find you on my shelf!" Actually, I think I'd be quite pleased to find Thranduil on my shelf!Wink

    Also, even more LOL! on the female reporter who's name I don't know picturing a horse with antlers tied to it's head like the poor doggy in "How the Grinch Stole Christmas!" Now I'm going to picture that every time I hear about Moose the horse!Laugh

    Interesting about that cemetery in Oklahoma with a headstone that says "Bilbo" too. I wonder if someone was actually named Bilbo or if it was just a silly thing some Hobbit fan did?

    "The skies don't seem to be as dark as usual
    The stars seem brighter than they've been before
    And deep within I feel my soul is stirring
    As though my hope has been restored.

    The shepherds say they've heard the voice of angels
    Confirming rumors spread across the land
    That a child protected well from Herod's anger
    Is our Father's Son and the Son of Man.

    Love is raining down on the world tonight
    There's a presence here I can tell
    God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emanuel."
    ~Amy Grant "God is With Us"


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 21 2014, 5:51pm


    Views: 770
         Such talented people!

    Love the first three pic. Erm...IMO, that last one is a little creepy though. A little too much shadow around the eyes.Crazy

    "The skies don't seem to be as dark as usual
    The stars seem brighter than they've been before
    And deep within I feel my soul is stirring
    As though my hope has been restored.

    The shepherds say they've heard the voice of angels
    Confirming rumors spread across the land
    That a child protected well from Herod's anger
    Is our Father's Son and the Son of Man.

    Love is raining down on the world tonight
    There's a presence here I can tell
    God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emanuel."
    ~Amy Grant "God is With Us"


    Dragonrnbw
    Rivendell

    Dec 21 2014, 5:58pm


    Views: 592
         Maybe we should be afraid?

    <<PB said they wanted to surprise the audience with Thranduil in the end. She referred to the scenes when he says "what do you know of love? " and " your mother loved you more than life itself". I guess thats why they kept his back story hidden so that when the audience sees those scenes they'll be like wow he isn't just a cold hearted jerk. However, if they really wanted to surprise the audience with Thranduil they should have made clear in the movie that those gems he kept talking about belonged to his dead wife. He wasn't just being greedy. It would have changed the whole perspective people (mostly the general audience) have of Thranduil.

    PB also said they had more scenes referring to Legolas' mother and PJ said the story about the gems would be fleshed out a bit more in the EE.
    I really hope he does and that everything will become a bit more clear. Still, it should have been in the TE.>>


    I am somewhat afraid to hear anymore back story!Shocked None of it works and I flat out don’t see how they can fix it. While I love what PB and PJ did in LOTR I am not impressed with the Hobbit. I am now weary of having a female warrior elf shoved in my face. Just like Alfraid being a coward. How many times in the movie and how much screen time was wasted banging ‘Alfraid is a coward’ into our heads??Mad GOT it…actually had it on the shores of Lake Town!! Unimpressed
    First, we have Arwen as a warrior elf – thankfully SHE was toned down!! Then Tauriel…I am ok with her..now Legolas’ Mother?? Oh come on!!! UnsureInstead of writing the same character over and over use your talent to write a new one!!! (While staying within the spirit of Tolkien! Pay attention to the time line, battles, and details/hints that were given to you by Tolkien) While female elves could fight and defend themselves they chose not to be warriors. It wasn’t their nature. Of course there were exceptions but on a whole they chose to excel in healing, the arts, etc. Seems like every female elf in PJs and PB world has to be a warrior. ??? ‘Wars do not make one great!’
    I am sorry to say but I feel far more studio involvement in this than before.Frown It was the studio that wanted the love triangle.Mad I believe it is the studio who pushed for more action and less character development. Time is money..and money was the main goal. Not telling the story. Frown

    Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for thou are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 21 2014, 6:04pm


    Views: 579
         Thread tipping post!

    This is post 200! From this point on if anyone wants to make a reply it would be well advised to save a copy of your post before submitting it, so you don't get post death when the Mod locks the thread.



    Quote
    Then Legolas steps in. He is so harsh towards his dad. Apparently in this movie Legolas has developed serious Daddy-issues. Were they already prominent in DOS? Perhaps their relationship in DOS was all very platonic but I didn't sense the hurt and sorrow those two clearly have in relation to one another. What bothers me is that this isn't explained in BOFA. Just another non-canon subplot that doesn't make sense and was imo only added to get the Tauriel love trangle going even more (legolas standing up against is father for the sake of Tauriel).

    The second Legolas/Thranduil moment, it was so sad Unsure And sweet in a way. But mostly sad. Unresolved daddy issues play a big part in this scene (still not explained why) and I thought Legolas just made Thranduil so sad UnsureUnsureUnsure I was like 'Noooooooooooo why would you do that Legolas? Why do you make your daddy so sad he almost has to cry?' *sobs*


    I've said it once before and I'll say it again, it was really nice to see some real emotion from Thranduil other than anger and placid indifference. I really liked the final Thrandy/Leggy scene for that reason. I really think what he said to Legolas was the closest he can get to saying I love you without it hurting too much.

    Re the Tauriel/Thranduil scene, I actually found a quote from Phillipa Boyens that addresses the situation, but I'm holding onto it for when the new thread gets started. IMO, it actually sounded like she WANTS us to be on Thranduil's side there.

    "The skies don't seem to be as dark as usual
    The stars seem brighter than they've been before
    And deep within I feel my soul is stirring
    As though my hope has been restored.

    The shepherds say they've heard the voice of angels
    Confirming rumors spread across the land
    That a child protected well from Herod's anger
    Is our Father's Son and the Son of Man.

    Love is raining down on the world tonight
    There's a presence here I can tell
    God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emanuel."
    ~Amy Grant "God is With Us"


    BlackFox
    Half-elven


    Dec 21 2014, 6:18pm


    Views: 546
         Are you referring to...

    ... what Boyens said in the Empire podcast?



    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 21 2014, 6:23pm


    Views: 597
         *checks source*

    Yes, it looks like it is what she said in the Empire podcast. I saw it first on Tumblr where someone had quoted it. Has it been discussed already? I haven't quite read through all the posts yet.

    "I heard the bells on Christmas Day
    Their old familiar carols play
    And mild and sweet their songs repeat
    Of peace on earth, good will to men.

    But in despair I bowed my head
    There is no peace on earth, I said
    For hate is strong and mocks the song
    Of peace on earth, good will to men.

    Then rang the bells more loud and deep,
    God is not dead, nor doth He sleep
    The wrong shall fail, the right prevail
    With peace on earth, good will to men."
    ~Casting Crowns "I Heard the Bells on Christmas Day"


    BlackFox
    Half-elven


    Dec 21 2014, 6:28pm


    Views: 565
         It has been posted here before...

    http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=811199#811199

    ... but no discussion seems to have followed, so it's definitely worth posting again in the next thread.



    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 21 2014, 6:31pm


    Views: 575
         I like it too


    Quote
    When Thranduil says "your mother loved you" it shows Thranduil's own love for her and even though we don't get to see it (yet?), it's why he want those gems back. As i've said before, Philippa Boyens said those gems were the only thing remaining of hers that he has (Peter said it would be more fleshed out a bit in the EE). This subplot adds to the fact that he isn't just a cold, greedy, selfish elf.

    This is pretty much how I feel about the subplot. I think it helps give Thranduil more depth of emotion than we've seen from him yet.

    I'm also happy to hear that it'll be fleshed out a bit more in the EE. It did feel like in the theatrical that they show Thorin find the gems, tell us Thranduil still wants them and then we never hear about them again. This, IMO, confirms we'll get more Thranduil in the EE.

    Speaking of which, it's sounding like they've pretty much got the EE scenes locked down already. I sure hope that means we'll get it sooner than November next year.

    "I heard the bells on Christmas Day
    Their old familiar carols play
    And mild and sweet their songs repeat
    Of peace on earth, good will to men.

    But in despair I bowed my head
    There is no peace on earth, I said
    For hate is strong and mocks the song
    Of peace on earth, good will to men.

    Then rang the bells more loud and deep,
    God is not dead, nor doth He sleep
    The wrong shall fail, the right prevail
    With peace on earth, good will to men."
    ~Casting Crowns "I Heard the Bells on Christmas Day"


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Dec 21 2014, 6:35pm


    Views: 566
         Ok, thanks

    In that case I'll definitely hold onto it and wait for opportunity to post. We must discuss!Smile

    "I heard the bells on Christmas Day
    Their old familiar carols play
    And mild and sweet their songs repeat
    Of peace on earth, good will to men.

    But in despair I bowed my head
    There is no peace on earth, I said
    For hate is strong and mocks the song
    Of peace on earth, good will to men.

    Then rang the bells more loud and deep,
    God is not dead, nor doth He sleep
    The wrong shall fail, the right prevail
    With peace on earth, good will to men."
    ~Casting Crowns "I Heard the Bells on Christmas Day"


    dernwyn
    Forum Admin / Moderator


    Dec 21 2014, 6:36pm


    Views: 573
         Did someone say "tipsy thread"?

    Let's see...XXVIII + I equals...

    Number XXIX!

    Keep it going, Thralls! Laugh


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