Lurker in the Mirk
Sep 15 2014, 3:19am
Agree with your theory
In Reply To
But it's not how I've ever pictured his life on middle-earth ending; I don't picture it ending at all. (And I know you see it differently, but hear me out.)I remember one of our early discussions on this.
We know that a couple of the reasons Tolkien wrote his whole history of the Elves was to see someone speaking his invented languages and to create a possible mythology for his beloved England, according to his own view of Faerie myth. I think Thranduil would have been his choice to remain in The Wood, if only because he and his Elves are a much closer match to the tales of pre-Victorian Elves than either Galadriel and hers or Elrond and his. The Mirkwood Elves would have to remain on Arda to continue "haunting" the collective unconscious through the hundreds (?) of thousands of years it would take for us to feel the effects in the here and now. (This is much more obviously bookverse than movieverse. I have no idea what Jackson and Co. intend, or if it'll be at all apparent before the trillogy - including EEs - is over. ) Great point. And, surprise, surprise, me agreeses!
I'd really like to believe that Gimli would have that Extra Special dispensation that would allow him and Legolas to hang out, but I know it's generally accepted (and makes sense) that he, like Sam and Bilbo and Frodo, would eventually die and go to wherever their spirits would naturally be bound. Yeah. Those candles gotta burn out sometime, no matter long the wick.
I think Thranduil is a maverick, he's always going to be the Elf to do his own thing (though that thing is heavily influenced by the horrors of his past). And, most of the Elves under his rule were descended from the original mavericks, the wood Elves who wanted nothing to do with the trek to Valinor. *shrugs* It just makes sense to me that he and his Elves would be the ones to remain a part of Arda to the end.Great points about Thranduil's maverick cool and his Elves' 'tood! And definitely complements your comment: "The Mirkwood Elves would have to remain on Arda to continue "haunting" the collective unconscious through the hundreds (?) of thousands of years it would take for us to feel the effects in the here and now."
So yes, I agree Thranduil will be King of the Elves in ME. For a very long time. But I imagine also that, being lesser elves, the Sylvan's hroar would be consumed faster than Thranduil's would be. And being lesser in being, their houseless fear may not be capable of cogent thoughts for ever. At some point, all that may be left of the Sylvan are half-conscious disembodied spirits, like the Huorns and ancients sentient trees the Ents shepherded. At that point, Thranduil, who I believe would stay in ME regardless of hell or high water because of his love and sense of responsibility for his subjects, will see that there's no need and no one to keep him in ME. He really doesn't strike me as the type to accept or be satisfied with the fate of ultimately being just a diminished version of himself, a wandering forgetful spirit just roaming ME until the end of days.
And also, with the advent of Man, forests will diminish. It is sad, but I believe at some point beyond TA, there may not be any forests large enough for the Woodland Realm to endure within ME at all. Thranduil may end up moving his people out to somewhere like that little islet in the Bay of Balar just for peace's sake. In fact, I'd think they'd have to move a few times. He may also get more Elves as time passes since the other Eldar would all depart at some point, including Galadriel and Celeborn. At some point, Thranduil and his folks might be bunking in with Elrond or the twins. (OT: Hmm... would Arwen be in tow as well? Could get mighty crowded eh?)
Lastly, I feel that Thranduil will feel the tug for family, especially as his people dwindled. And he might want to spend time with the clan when he gets to the West rather than arrive there dead and languishing in the Halls of Mandos waiting his turn for re-embodiment (may be getting it wrong here but I think that's the deal with Mandos' pad). I think it's safe to say he's the one Elf who doesn't leave things to chance if he had any say in the matter. He wants things done on his terms. So when the above happens, I'd think he would make the Journey. There may be a fellow Sindar or two who have been with him since the beginning of Greenwood. But I also do not see a grand procession. He has no need for pomp at this point and there's just not enough participants anyway. And who knows, he may just make a return trip to ME after cooling his heels in the West for a couple of Ages. It's been done before.
*pauses* Well, I'm still shaky on Elvenlore so the above could all be untenable crap. But yeah, that's what I think.
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(This post was edited by Lurker in the Mirk on Sep 15 2014, 3:20am)