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Manu Bennett to do pickups in July



News from Bree
spymaster@theonering.net

Jun 16 2014, 8:17pm


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Manu Bennett to do pickups in July

Ringer Matt sent us this little snippet from a chat he had with Manu Bennett at the Sydney Supanova last weekend.

"I was able to have a quick chat with Manu Bennett (AKA Azog) whilst I was getting his signature. He said he had not completed filming for Azog yet on the final film and he was set to return to New Zealand next month to finish up."

Come and share your opinion about this on our Hobbit Movie Board over on our Message Boards.

(This post was edited by entmaiden on Jun 17 2014, 1:34am)


KeenObserver
Lorien


Jun 17 2014, 3:09am


Views: 2582
Poor Manu

This particular gig has been a lonely one for the Australian-New Zealand actor.

In his role as Azog the Defiler, Mr. Bennett has had to consistently show up to set in a mo-cap suit and frequently perform his part without anybody to play off of (despite a few extras), while surrounded by green screen.

Ian Mckellen and Manu were essentially in the same boat throughout this production.

Oh well, I'm sure that they were both paid handsomely.

”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin


Joe20
Lorien


Jun 17 2014, 3:31am


Views: 2515
oh dear...

more last minute additions....


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea


Jun 17 2014, 3:36am


Views: 2531
Jeez

these films need less Azog, not more.


Bombadil
Half-elven


Jun 17 2014, 4:56am


Views: 2458
AZOG iz "Taking OVER the Throne" from Darth Vadar...?

The Wicked Witch of the WEST Ruled
until DarthDAddy
took over as the
MOSTBADass villian...BUT

GuessWHO? gets the Crown?

Now, kiddies...

PJ Knowzzz
How toDo
Villianzzz?


yourBrother
Bomby

Blush


DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 17 2014, 6:25am


Views: 2406
If anything ...

The pick-up scenes for Azog are probably alterations/edits to his already existing scenes. Just like how there were two versions of the Dwarves entering Lake-town and two versions of Azog/Bolg along the Forest River. I think it was a relatively late decision to switch Azog with Bolg in DOS, so they probably just want to fiddle with scenes to get them both to the BO5A, and for it to make sense (hopefully).

I have to admit, though, that all these Bolg-Azog-Yazneg problems would have been avoided if Azog had remained dead.


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Jun 17 2014, 8:31am


Views: 2349
why the hate?

Azog is great.


The flames of war are upon you..


NecromancerRising
Gondor


Jun 17 2014, 8:35am


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Of course he is.

But he was not in the bookCool

"Obsession and narrow-mindness is the trend of the 2000's and synonyms to many Tolkien fanatics"

"Tolkien Nazis is the disgusting scourge of the internet"


dormouse
Half-elven


Jun 17 2014, 10:17am


Views: 2305
It may not be more...

... it may just be different. Nice early death scene, perhaps, to allow Bolg's revenge time to simmer.... You never know!


Arannir
Valinor


Jun 17 2014, 10:50am


Views: 2262
Yes.

Pick-ups of scenes in LotR days have sometimes only meant an additional look, head shake, movement or something similar to this.

"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien

We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.



(This post was edited by Arannir on Jun 17 2014, 10:50am)


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea


Jun 17 2014, 10:51am


Views: 2238
You're probably right.

The whole Azog/Bolg "storyline" is already a mess, why not make it more so?


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea


Jun 17 2014, 10:51am


Views: 2247
Not a fan.

Not at all.


SafeUnderHill
Rohan

Jun 17 2014, 10:56am


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Think about

Conan Stevens! He was cut altogether.


Skaan
Lorien


Jun 17 2014, 12:03pm


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Hmmm

I wouldn't say Ian McKellen was in the same situation as Manu. Other than his first couple of days of filming alone on the greenscreen Bag End set, i'm pretty sure Ian was always acting along with other people and on real sets/locations.


KeenObserver
Lorien


Jun 17 2014, 12:22pm


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I can't imagine

Although, one could say that they spared him. Tongue

Nevertheless, these guys are professionals. They are levelheaded adults who understand the inner workings of show business.

Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if they broke down in their trailers or dressing rooms every now and then. Laugh

Acting can be tough.

”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin


KeenObserver
Lorien


Jun 17 2014, 12:25pm


Views: 2212
That's right. Mr. Bennett had it worse //

 

”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin


SafeUnderHill
Rohan

Jun 17 2014, 12:39pm


Views: 2208
I'm not sure it's particularly bad

I think he's probably loving it. Working in a beautiful country on one of the biggest film series in the world, along with one of the biggest directors of all time. Acting can be a lot of fun, especially playing an Orc! It's not like he's being put through hell.


adt100
Rohan

Jun 17 2014, 12:46pm


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... an early death only to be shown in the EE ;)

After all, PJ does like his symmetry and homages to his LOTR films.


Avandel
Half-elven

Jun 17 2014, 4:05pm


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"Acting can be tough"

I've thought about that, with these Hobbit actors, time to time. Peter Hambleton said in a recent interview "it's a tough life".

I feel for Manu, who seems to be dedicated, handsome, and personable - he may have been only working for a few days at a time re Azog but seems to give it his all, and think in DOS especially that shows up. I've felt for him too at these "con" panels where so much attention is on the dwarves - but *shrug* far as I know, no-one HAS to do conventions.

Do actors and actresses ever go to their trailers etc. and break down? I think so, probably, like any job guess it can have real bad days, but to me the arts can hit real hard on a personal level. Casting agent Amy Hubbard has given some fascinating interviews, and one thing that struck me was her talking about the begging from actors/actresses they can get, "I just HAVE to play this part" and having to say basically "no". And how while EW's use of a cheap video filmed in a garden snared him the Frodo role, that's a very rare success and PJ has been flooded w. cheap videos of folks in capes.

A real irritation for me is all the work the dwarf cast did, how good these actors are - so I wonder if it bothers them that so much must be getting cut. RA kind of alluded to this re DOS, something that most of what he did was kept - but geez, that's some job, possibly working for days and having the work vanished, probably forever (of course if it came off bad you might be happy).

Anyway Manu impressed me with his efforts and attitude, and hope it leads to good things for him. Just read some article where it's generally viewed that a certain promising actress seems to have tanked her career by being a prima donna, in TV and films. So happy that Manu seems to handle all of this with good grace, at least in public, and he is very funny talking about the CGI suit.


SafeUnderHill
Rohan

Jun 17 2014, 4:14pm


Views: 2118
That's the nature of the business


In Reply To
I've thought about that, with these Hobbit actors, time to time. Peter Hambleton said in a recent interview "it's a tough life".

I feel for Manu, who seems to be dedicated, handsome, and personable - he may have been only working for a few days at a time re Azog but seems to give it his all, and think in DOS especially that shows up. I've felt for him too at these "con" panels where so much attention is on the dwarves - but *shrug* far as I know, no-one HAS to do conventions.

Do actors and actresses ever go to their trailers etc. and break down? I think so, probably, like any job guess it can have real bad days, but to me the arts can hit real hard on a personal level. Casting agent Amy Hubbard has given some fascinating interviews, and one thing that struck me was her talking about the begging from actors/actresses they can get, "I just HAVE to play this part" and having to say basically "no". And how while EW's use of a cheap video filmed in a garden snared him the Frodo role, that's a very rare success and PJ has been flooded w. cheap videos of folks in capes.

A real irritation for me is all the work the dwarf cast did, how good these actors are - so I wonder if it bothers them that so much must be getting cut. RA kind of alluded to this re DOS, something that most of what he did was kept - but geez, that's some job, possibly working for days and having the work vanished, probably forever (of course if it came off bad you might be).


It applies to many jobs, especially visual effects and prosthetics. All the work that never gets seen or most will not notice. That's just how things seems to be. You've just got to appreciate that the final product is great, and the things you put into it. Even the things that aren't seen can help you get to know your character or work on some designs.


Maciliel
Valinor


Jun 17 2014, 4:42pm


Views: 2102
hi avendel

 
hi avendel --

can you please name the "certain promising actress" who "seems to have tanked her career by being a prima donna, in tv and films"? it can't be shannon doherty, at this late date.

because you read this in an public article, there's no reason not to mention the name, and i am curious.

thanks and cheers -

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo


KeenObserver
Lorien


Jun 17 2014, 5:18pm


Views: 2084
Good points

Everything you listed would have made it worthwhile.

Just being in New Zealand would have been enough to suppress any prospective complaints and stave off despondency.

And as Avandel mentioned, Manu probably didn't have to devote too much time to his role.

However, I don't doubt that he felt, at times, unengaged and "isolated" during shoots.

”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin


Salmacis81
Tol Eressea


Jun 17 2014, 8:12pm


Views: 2039
Correct...

...he was not in the book, and he was not needed in the films, except to pad them out. Everything Azog has done in the films could have been done by Bolg, and PJ wouldn't have had to alter timelines and events in the way that he has. Keeping Azog around sure hasn't simplified anything, that much is for sure.

Keeping Azog alive is, IMO, just about PJ's worst, most groan-inducing offense in all of his ME movies (tied with PJ's inventing a foolish and un-Tolkien Dwarf/Elf romance subplot).


KeenObserver
Lorien


Jun 17 2014, 8:13pm


Views: 2023
Likewise


Quote
Anyway Manu impressed me with his efforts and attitude, and hope it leads to good things for him. Just read some article where it's generally viewed that a certain promising actress seems to have tanked her career by being a prima donna, in TV and films. So happy that Manu seems to handle all of this with good grace, at least in public, and he is very funny talking about the CGI suit.


”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin


NecromancerRising
Gondor


Jun 17 2014, 8:28pm


Views: 2029
Right!

For me,personally,i could care less if he was or not in the book.All that matters to me and presumably to every casual movie goer who is not familiar or obsessed with the book and timelines of Tolkien,is that he is the most cool Orc chieftain with signs of personality from all Middle Earth films so far.I salute Peter Jackson for that laughable(sorry) offence and crime he commited, by keeping Azog alive and for offering us freely an Orc villain with a purpose.Along with Tauriel and Bard's character expansion,Azog is the most welcome and splendid addition to the film so far.To each his own mon ami.

"Obsession and narrow-mindness is the trend of the 2000's and synonyms to many Tolkien fanatics"

"Tolkien Nazis is the disgusting scourge of the internet"


KeenObserver
Lorien


Jun 17 2014, 8:31pm


Views: 780
Hear, hear! //

 

”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin


KeenObserver
Lorien


Jun 17 2014, 9:04pm


Views: 786
I must say that. . .

Even though I like Azog, Salmacis81 does make a great point.

The inclusion of the ancient Gundabad orc was definitely not a requirement.

The filmmakers could have swapped Azog for Bolg, turned that storyline into a more riveting thread, and thus avoid violating the sacred text.

Nevertheless, I'm glad that they chose to involve The Defiler in this adaptation.

I don't know, it just feels appropriate. The pale orc works for me too.

”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin

(This post was edited by KeenObserver on Jun 17 2014, 9:09pm)


Salmacis81
Tol Eressea


Jun 17 2014, 9:06pm


Views: 780
Well fair enough...

,,,but PJ still could have given us a "cool Orc chieftain with signs of personality", and just named him Bolg; that would have made a lot more book fans happier. And non-book fans/PJ fanatics wouldn't have cared a bit.

I agree with you about Bard's character expansion; it was sorely needed and I felt they did a decent job of it. Tauriel, I would not have minded her so much if they hadn't gone and given her that awful love story.

Let me ask you - if Azog had died at Azanulbizar in AUJ and Bolg was given the role of chasing the Dwarves, would you have been upset?


NecromancerRising
Gondor


Jun 17 2014, 9:19pm


Views: 762
First of all,

while you correctly pointed out that i am not particularly a fan of the Hobbit book,i can assure you that i am far from a Jackson fanatic.I just happent to love his vision of Middle Earth.I haven't seen most of his movies with the exception of Heavenly Creatures(loved it),King Kong(so and so) and Lovely Bones(really mediocre).

As far as your Bolg question is concerned,i would not have been upset at all.

"Obsession and narrow-mindness is the trend of the 2000's and synonyms to many Tolkien fanatics"

"Tolkien Nazis is the disgusting scourge of the internet"


Avandel
Half-elven

Jun 17 2014, 9:23pm


Views: 756
Sure!

Because this is stuff I just trip over, just was trying to be polite-ish. And mind you, the majority of time I could care less what some performer is doing, in that figure it's a job, actors and actresses get paid for a job, I watch the job, so I don't care about their personal stuff. Taking a liking to PJ & co. has been a rarity for me.

Katharine Heigl, who personally think was a disastrous choice for the arguably guilty pleasure of making a book like One for the Money into a film. E.g in idly reading about actors/actresses rumored to have an attitude, seems as tho it's wise to not. (And I am still suspicious re LOTR and Stuart Towsend:
I was there rehearsing and training for two months, then was fired the day before filming began. After that I was told they wouldn't pay me because I was in breach of contract due to not having worked long enough. I had been having a rough time with them, so I was almost relieved to be leaving until they told me I wouldn't be paid. I have no good feelings for those people in charge, I really don't. The director wanted me and then apparently thought better of it because he really wanted someone 20 years older than me and completely different. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Townsend)

For KH see:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/...ked-up-nyquil-625405

There are other articles around like this *shrug*.Unimpressed


NecromancerRising
Gondor


Jun 17 2014, 9:30pm


Views: 754
I agree that Azog was not an absolute requirement

but imo,one of the basic reasons Azog was included,was to avoid having the same orc villain for two or three films in a row.And i also agree that the pale Orc,nicely fits in the world of the Hobbit so far.

"Obsession and narrow-mindness is the trend of the 2000's and synonyms to many Tolkien fanatics"

"Tolkien Nazis is the disgusting scourge of the internet"


Bombadil
Half-elven


Jun 17 2014, 10:06pm


Views: 757
Maybe look @ Azog as a Simple Plot Device?

1. We know Ferney & Friend RATTED
Out Gandalf & Thorin..but to...WHO?
Azog.

2. The Campfire scene Where Balin gives us the
The Back Story of the Battle @ the Eastern Moria Gate.
AND we see that one of Azog Baddies reports
IN about their whereabouts....(HE Then Gets Killed by Azog
which Shows US,
HIS First INTRO..)...

3. Raddy's appearence with THE Morgul Blade
adds to the Threat...(For all Gandalf knows then,
it might be Nazgul on their Trail?)

4. So, Raddy's Sacrifice with his Bunny Sled
FORCES the company into a
Rest @ Rivendell...

You don't think Thorin would EVER Go
THERE...without ORC's in pursuit?

Jus' a BombyTheory


Crazy