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The Thranduil Appreciation Thread Part V



Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 25 2014, 10:04am


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     The Thranduil Appreciation Thread Part V

The enthusiastic appreciation by Thranduil's Thralls continues!



Continuing the fine discussion from:
Thranduil Appreciation thread IV
Thranduil Appreciation thread III
Thranduil Appreciation thread II
Thranduil Appreciation thread


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 25 2014, 12:27pm


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     Lines of 2 sorts (continuation), And well done, Kerewyn!

(This is in response to Kerewyn's post, "Lines" in Thread IV)

Wow, you literally pipped the threadlock by minutes there!



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Ooh, what do you think he'd say?
"Screw you guys, I'm going home."
Or more seriously.... some short pithy loaded statement along the lines of 'what goes around, comes around.' No maybe not that.... something more along the lines of a deal gone sour. I feel like an ideal line is on the tip of my tongue...

Ooh, lines! Well, yeah, there's a number of tumblr stuff along those lines... though they're focused on
his scene with Thorin. Tongue

Hmm, it'd probably be some pithy statement as you say, peppered with all the portentous bit that loaded into the "I told your grandfather..." bit (but of course). Oh, I feel like working out a GIF of it now!



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Back to a quick bit of LP thralldom before this thread tips over the precipice. Has it been discussed yet what a gorgeous furrow LP has between his brows? You very seldom see this on a relatively young person, I've only ever seen it as an age line. (like my mum, who gets it when she is frowning or concentrating.) Makes me wonder if them heavy brows have some sort of load-bearing pressure there. It is very cute and very obvious on Ned, but for Thranduil, the makeup artists must have contoured it out - you only see the vaguest shadow of it,

This is a topic that bears discussing but you're right, I don't think it's been discussed yet. Thralldom's been remiss and we shall remedy it, eh? Smile

The brow-lifting done to give LP his "nasty numb Elvish" face must have pulled the weight of that contouring project. But hold that thought... I got to run now. But I will be back.







Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


May 26 2014, 12:58am


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     Yay!

Thranduil is pleased!
*dreamy sigh* Doesn't he have the best smile?SmileAngelicHeart

"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe


vanima ephel
Rivendell


May 26 2014, 2:22am


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     Another response to Kerewyn's "Lines" post at the end of the last thread

That Dwarf King was looking super smug when his lackey closed the box...

The look in Thranduil's eyes said "So that's how it is" to me. (His thoughts were probably more murderous. It might be for the best that he said nothing.) And I'd swear Thorin looked stunned or apologetic or both, when they cut to him afterward. (I need to finish up with Pushing Daisies and put the last EE back in, in case I'm totally misremembering this.)

And...

LP's furrow was particularly delicious in HaCF. Heart You're right though, you just don't notice it as much or as often in DoS. It has to be makeup and lighting added to minimize it. (I'm betting the Jackson team considers it a particularly "human" look, for Middle Earth. Elves can't have that much character, no matter how good it looks on them. Tongue)

"I dissent, even at the risk of being held incorrect or not sober."


Mikah
Lorien

May 26 2014, 2:49am


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     Eruvandi...

You know you are right...he really does.


Kerewyn
Rohan


May 26 2014, 5:40am


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     The line to go with the look


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The look in Thranduil's eyes said "So that's how it is" to me.


Wait.... talk about short term memory loss! *looks for 'slapping forehead' smiley*
I just remembered I've already posted on this several appreciation threads ago - and I thought much the same thing as you did, vanima. Can't find the post, but it was much like "So... this is how it's gonna be, huh?" Except more regally put.




'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)

(This post was edited by Kerewyn on May 26 2014, 5:41am)


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 26 2014, 8:17am


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     He does!


Whether he's happy...


Or empathetic... Smile


Even when playing the protocol game (Pay homage to a Dwarf.. yeah, right Tongue)

Or just having a bit of fun


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Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Kerewyn
Rohan


May 26 2014, 12:46pm


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     "Nasty", "numb"


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The brow-lifting done to give LP his "nasty numb Elvish" face must have pulled the weight of that contouring project.

We’ve touched on this before, especially in regards to the hair, but I’ve been dissecting it further, as to why LP might describe his in-character face that way.
His full Harper & Collins quote, for reference: . ‘When I am in make-up,’ he says, ‘with icy-grey contact lenses, a super-ashy blond wig that is rather rough and feral, and with my eyebrows lifted up to give me a nasty, numb Elvish face – I look in the mirror and see someone totally different to boring old me!’

“Nasty” could be his reference to Thranduil’s cold, arrogant side, though it is a strong word to use. Because I can’t imagine he’d be unsympathetic to the character he plays. Then again, maybe he is thinking of the scar-face reveal, with its ‘nasty’ surprise element.

“Numb” – Surely not numb as in lack of expression, because we know what expression Thranduil can portray with merely his eyes and the subtlest movement of mouth corner. Here I think he must mean the botoxed look, the lack of expressive lines and ‘human character’. Especially since botox is commonly applied to the forehead, so the ‘lifting of the brow’ relates to this.

And yeah, as suggested in the earlier thread, LP may have been simply messing with the interviewer. Seriously, rough and feral??) Or toying with a Dwarvish perspective on Elves.

Or maybe he threw the “nasty numb” phrase out there as a form of self-deprecation. For someone who seems relatively modest and humble, calling himself “boring old me”, to have his face transformed into a mask of awe-inspiring beauty, he might not know how to acknowledge that and so, plays it down. Kinda like when someone praises you “What a beautiful dress!” and you’re like “Oh, this old thing.”

On brow-lifting – at first I thought ‘really?’ but yes there is a bit of lifting going on there, particularly the outer edges. In the middle image you posted above, Lurker, his brows look finer there, over plucked, and it doesn’t look quite right. Maybe it was taken during early shots when they were still tweaking the look. And possibly not plucked (coz how you gonna put that back?) but with makeup applied. Actually, if you compare various publicity shots with screen shots, there do seem to be slightly different brow shapes going on. (I must apologise for not illustrating this with any pics – I am feeling rather antsy and impatient with the likes of photobucket tonight)

I do like how, in the very first “eyes” reveal, you can see silver threads through his eyebrows. This is never really apparent again – maybe through lighting or lack of further close-ups that close up. Or maybe they were ‘decorated’ for that shot. (I have kinda heavy brows myself, and I’m starting to think it would be nice to put some silver in for special occasions.)

Anyway. The 400+ peeps who have already viewed this thread must think we're obsessed.
(NB: we are! )
Wink Laugh

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 26 2014, 1:27pm


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     Faux pas on pic 2 and thoughts about the "nasty, numb" comment


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In the middle image you posted above, Lurker, his brows look finer there, over plucked, and it doesn’t look quite right. Maybe it was taken during early shots when they were still tweaking the look. And possibly not plucked (coz how you gonna put that back?) but with makeup applied.

What sharp eyes you have! That's a o
opsie on my part. I did not check the image as closely as I thought I did when I decided to link it... dem brows have beep photoshopped for sure. Can't find an original of the exact same shot right now but here's one close enough I think:




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I do like how, in the very first “eyes” reveal, you can see silver threads through his eyebrows. This is never really apparent again – maybe through lighting or lack of further close-ups that close up.

I think it's lighting. My first thought was also that it's some sort of brow makeup, and I was thinking, cool! something subtle that emphasizes his age. But then I've seen it GIF'd so many times Tongue and there was a HD youtube bit that confirms it as lighting (for me).


Another look




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“Nasty” could be his reference to Thranduil’s cold, arrogant side, though it is a strong word to use. Because I can’t imagine he’d be unsympathetic to the character he plays. Then again, maybe he is thinking of the scar-face reveal, with its ‘nasty’ surprise element.

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“Numb” – Surely not numb as in lack of expression, because we know what expression Thranduil can portray with merely his eyes and the subtlest movement of mouth corner. Here I think he must mean the botoxed look, the lack of expressive lines and ‘human character’. Especially since botox is commonly applied to the forehead, so the ‘lifting of the brow’ relates to this.

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And yeah, as suggested in the earlier thread, LP may have been simply messing with the interviewer. Seriously, rough and feral??) Or toying with a Dwarvish perspective on Elves.

Or maybe he threw the “nasty numb” phrase out there as a form of self-deprecation. For someone who seems relatively modest and humble, calling himself “boring old me”, to have his face transformed into a mask of awe-inspiring beauty, he might not know how to acknowledge that and so, plays it down. Kinda like when someone praises you “What a beautiful dress!” and you’re like “Oh, this old thing.”


Nasty could literally mean the pain of the physical process of getting to the breathtaking Thranduil face? I think there's a quote somewhere where LP said the wig/browlift gives him a headache or something like that. By extension maybe that's what the "numb" bit is about too. [I know when I wear new shoes, especially if they're heels (I still hate heels after all this time and prefer runners or flats - flip-flops are bestest, but there are times I wear them for the sake of conformance to work-fashion at times), the ache in my feet turns into a numbing sensation when I have to walk any distance in them.]

Back to topic. I saw a brief comic-con interview LP did for GotG and someone asked a question along the lines of his opinion of how bad Ronan is. And his reply was, to paraphase, "As the actor who plays him, I can't judge him, I got to understand him." Spoken like a true professional Smile So yes, agree that we can rule out lack of sympathy for Thranduil.


I vote for self-deprecation please. Smile



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Anyway. The 400+ peeps who have already viewed this thread must think we're obsessed.
(NB: we are! )

LOL *waves* Hi 400+ silent peeps. Smile

We appreciate en-thralldom, and we take it seriously, is all. Angelic





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Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 26 2014, 3:03pm


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     What is that line called?

I know there's a name for the hollow at the base of the neck. in the gap between the collarbones. So there's prolly a name for that line? In any case...



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That Dwarf King was looking super smug when his lackey closed the box...

Thror was certainly looking like he's got all the cards there. Wonder what the terms of the contract were that gave him such swag while Thranduil seemed to have to concede.



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The look in Thranduil's eyes said "So that's how it is" to me. (His thoughts were probably more murderous. It might be for the best that he said nothing.) And I'd swear Thorin looked stunned or apologetic or both, when they cut to him afterward. (I need to finish up with Pushing Daisies and put the last EE back in, in case I'm totally misremembering this.)

Please do confirm it. Erm... also I referred to this youtube of the EE scene, and well, does it seem to you that the ring on his right index when he reached for the gems look like a different one than what we've seen? Definitely not the Mirkwood or Woodland ring. Looked like the white gem ring which he wears on his left index in DOS but somehow looked not quite the same?



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LP's furrow was particularly delicious in HaCF. Heart You're right though, you just don't notice it as much or as often in DoS. It has to be makeup and lighting added to minimize it. (I'm betting the Jackson team considers it a particularly "human" look, for Middle Earth. Elves can't have that much character, no matter how good it looks on them. Tongue)

*ahem* for ease of analysis...


Himself (i think). Last one seemed to be when he was really young? Even then, that line is there


Joe Macmillan


Fernando Wood (deep!)


Ned!


Thranduil


Manip'd pic(?)



Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


vanima ephel
Rivendell


May 26 2014, 6:54pm


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     I think "furrow" is its unofficial official name.

Though pretty much everyone gets one (if they live long enough) it's not really a structure, so only practitioners of cosmetic medicine pay any attention to it. They, apparently, call it the elevens (because there are usually two or more of them). "Furrow" works for me, with Lee Pace and most of his characters, but I think I'd prefer something like "Fluting," instead, for Thranduil, and any other very serious Elves. Just because. Tongue

Oooo! Thanks for the EE link!

"No one knows exactly what began the rift" Why? How is it no one knows? It wasn't that long ago, relatively speaking. (It's more likely that no one wants to say.)

I do not see the shock or apology I'd imagined on Thorin's face, but I think his quick look to Thror conveys at least some surprise at the turn of events.

And I agree, that large ring on Thranduil's right hand in that scene is definitely not one of the bramble type rings we've seen on his right hand before. It's too blurry to say for sure, but it definitely looks more like the gem ring than any of the others we've seen. Maybe they reversed the shot? (Naughty, naughty, if so. Did they really think it would go unnoticed? Tongue)

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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 27 2014, 4:13am


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     Or did Bilbo meant the *ahem*incident*ahem* in Doriath that is off-limits to this production?


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"No one knows exactly what began the rift" Why? How is it no one knows? It wasn't that long ago, relatively speaking. (It's more likely that no one wants to say.)

Smile *so need a nerd emoticon here! Like this *



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Though pretty much everyone gets one (if they live long enough) it's not really a structure, so only practitioners of cosmetic medicine pay any attention to it. They, apparently, call it the elevens (because there are usually two or more of them). "Furrow" works for me, with Lee Pace and most of his characters, but I think I'd prefer something like "Fluting," instead, for Thranduil, and any other very serious Elves. Just because. Tongue

I don't see it much except when someone furrows their brows, and even then, it's not such a perfect vertical line either, its the typical furrowed brow look between the eyes, above the nose... well, you know what I mean. Or maybe I've not paid attention before. Gonna pay attention to the village elders when I see the congregation next - cousin's wedding coming up. I can imagine their surprise to have someone scrutinise their faces where said person wasn't ever truly displayed such rapt attention before.Laugh



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I do not see the shock or apology I'd imagined on Thorin's face, but I think his quick look to Thror conveys at least some surprise at the turn of events.

No indeed. He just seemed to have been missed on that memo's loop. Hmm... maybe that could be another reason for Thranduil's initial surprise at his accusations during their meeting at his throne. Thranduil might have caught the look and thought there's someone decent in Erebor, and then Thorin has to go and decimate his own brownie points by proving to be his Granddad's progeny after all?

Still wonder what the heck was in that contract between Thror and Thranduil though. Couldn't the Elves sue for breach of contract? Or were the terms such that a counter suit would wipe out the Mirkwood treasury, white gems be damned? And what on earth could possess His Shrewdness to agree to a contract with all the cons and no pros on his side?



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And I agree, that large ring on Thranduil's right hand in that scene is definitely not one of the bramble type rings we've seen on his right hand before. It's too blurry to say for sure, but it definitely looks more like the gem ring than any of the others we've seen. Maybe they reversed the shot? (Naughty, naughty, if so. Did they really think it would go unnoticed? Tongue)

Is this a test?

(Sorry, couldn't resist!)


imho we pass the test, but we will not diminish and go into the West. Not while the King resides on this side of the pond Tongue

Back to topic






Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 27 2014, 4:20am


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     Incoming! Gird your loins... trailer news finally... ?!

So Ori's seen the trailer, and twits it "epic!". No other word yet, but we can hope for new Thranduil!Images eh? (but why do I feel like we're just gonna get the Armour!Thranduil images we've already seen in the vlogs?)

Meantime, to keep our toes warm... looked in on these yet? Smile

Middle-earth Awards 2013 (aka The Best of AUJ awards) on Deviantart


Middle-earth Awards 2014 (aka The Best of DOS awards) on Deviantart


Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


(This post was edited by Lurker in the Mirk on May 27 2014, 4:31am)


Kerewyn
Rohan


May 27 2014, 12:02pm


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     thoughts... (for lack of more creative subject heading)


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"Furrow" works for me, with Lee Pace and most of his characters..


“Furrow” is really the best word for it I feel – it has a nice ME ring to it as well. Less so with ‘groove’, ‘crease’, ‘indentation’ or ‘cleft’.

Thanks as always Lurker for supplying the gorgeous LP images. Your photo hosting must be very well organised – mine is a complete shambles!


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I do not see the shock or apology I'd imagined on Thorin's face, but I think his quick look to Thror conveys at least some surprise at the turn of events.

Watching the EE clip on You Tube makes me realise how many nuances I miss when watching the DVD, even when I backtrack and watch it several times in a row. I had never noticed Thorin’s glance at Thror before. And of course it’s delightful to observe every tiny movement of how Thranduil’s response to those gems.

And I hadn’t given previous thought to elderly Bilbo, as narrator, at the end of that piece. He shakes his head - he knows both Thranduil and Thorin, and he knows who has been lost. His reflection is more personal than merely the tut-tutting of a storyteller with a tale of inter-racial friendships gone sour. (Were they ever really friends though, or more just living side by side in tolerance?)


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Hmm... maybe that could be another reason for Thranduil's initial surprise at his accusations during their meeting at his throne. Thranduil might have caught the look and thought there's someone decent in Erebor, and then Thorin has to go and decimate his own brownie points by proving to be his Granddad's progeny after all?


Good point. Because Thranduil does seem to offer some trust in this quest, in that Thorin will hold up his end of the bargain and return with the white gems. Though, if we dissect this, “I offer you my help” most likely means “I offer you a troupe of highly armed and dangerous elves”, reading between the lines to mean “I offer you absolutely no opportunity to go back on your word.” (and hence the interesting story line you came up with in the last thread!)

If Thranduil needs Thorin to enter the mountain, and wants to grab this opportunity - “you’ve found a way in” – I wonder if he had previously dispatched some of his elves to skulk around the mountain and have a red-hot go. Or whether the dragon danger has just kept him right away, given his past encounter with them.


Ooh, ooh! Trailer coming! I am so excited.

And someone has put a lot of time into those ME deviant art awards. The cartooning of the characters is nicely done.Smile

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)


Kerewyn
Rohan


May 27 2014, 1:49pm


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     Throne room confrontation dialogue

So in light of current discussion I have just been watching the DoS throne room confrontation on You Tube – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYLCcSo8bx0 (excuse me for not titling that link - me and html are not friends tonight)

Aaaand I thought – for ease of further analysis and geeky observation, I thought I’d transcribe the dialogue… (minus all the delicious vocal nuances)

THRANDUIL: Some may imagine a noble quest is at hand. A quest to claim a home land and slay a dragon. I myself suspect a more prosaic motive. Attempted burglary, or something of that ilk.



You have found a way in. You seek that which would bestow upon you the right to rule. The King’s jewel… the Arkenstone. It is precious to you beyond measure. I understand that. There are gems in the mountain that I too desire. White gems of pure starlight. I offer you my help.


THORIN: I am listening.

THRANDUIL: I will let you go, if you but return what is mine.

THORIN: A favour for a favour.

THRANDUIL: You have my word. One king to another.

THORIN: I would not trust Thranduil, the great king, to honour his word, should the end of all days be upon us! YOU lack all honour! I have seen how you treat your friends. We came to you once – starving, homeless, seeking your help. You turned your back. You turned away from the suffering of my people… the inferno that destroyed us. *dwarvish line* (which I’m sure someone has the translation for)

THRANDUIL: Do not talk to me of dragon fire. I know its wrath and ruin. *gasp* I have faced the great serpents of the north. I warned your grandfather of what his greed would summon… but he would not listen.
You are just like him. Stay here if you will, and rot. A hundred years is a mere blink in the life of an elf. I’m patient. I can wait.




Five observations spring to mind first:

1. Thorin says “we came to you once, seeking your help”. The prologue suggests that Thranduil and his riders were out and about, and in the right place at the wrong time. Spotted by Thorin during the evacuation, would that be the point at which he spontaneously requested TH’s help, or would it be more pre-meditated, in that Thorin and his people either turned up to Mirkwood or sent messengers requesting help?

2. Harking back to recent discussion on facial scar – it really looks like Thranduil is summoning it forth and that it’s painful to do so.

3. “I warned your grandfather of what his greed would summon..” Wondering if this little chat took place before, during or after Thror refused him the gems.

4. Of the two main definitions of ‘prosaic’- one being ‘unimaginative, dull, mundane’ and so on, I think TH would be using the second, ‘commonplace, every day, ordinary’. Attempting to burgle a site like Erebor would be anything but mundane.

5."I am listening" suggests Thorin is open to negotiations. At least it does to me, in, I suppose, modern usage. Did Thranduil's following line blow this out of the water, or was Thorin preparing to spit the dummy all along?

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)


Avandel
Half-elven

May 27 2014, 2:36pm


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     oh, I don't know re trailer

"but why do I feel like we're just gonna get the Armour!Thranduil images we've already seen in the vlogs?"

Oh, I don't know. Of course for House of Durin thralls we may be less enthused about a trailer and have a mix of feelings. Also for me it is way too soon as the movie is SO far away - sometimes I wonder if I'm not more excited about the EE with all that lovely missing footage.

But, re the trailer, since I assume it's not going to reveal much - can't get the picture out of my head of something brooding and ominous, that really doesn't show much though. Perhaps of series of "darkened silhouette" type images of the main characters looking appropriately grim - which would include Thranduil of course and his lovely profile.

With a voice-over (rumored to be Gandalf??) saying something to the effect "the darkness is coming - the time has come for all to choose the light or the dark". Then a quick flash of action images, emphasizing the battle. With over-titles of "Honor" "Loyalty" "Madness" "War" or "A Battle for a Kingdom. A Battle for Middle Earth" Or whatever tagline they come up with.

*Sigh* Could even involve Thorin "wandering through these ropes? of gold" or whatever was shown to the reporters and WB execs earlier this year - evidently the whole film being edited. Speaking personally as a *Thorin Thrall* I already know he's going to get a lot of attention between the fascination with his insanity and just being the King Under the Mountain, so unlike w. DOS no worries there *sigh* (tho guess for RA's sake should be happy he gets to say one of the most famous and often-quoted lines in literature).

And I am sure it will involve Smaug. But IMO - just sayin' (again) that PJ & co. (and WB) would be very foolish not to make heavy use of Thranduil, who (justifiably) attracted so much attention with relatively little screen time. As far as I can tell, everyone wants more Thranduil (and Beorn).
And Elf-King in wrath, one of the greatest of ME's warriors finally aroused from his isolationist position - I just drool at the prospect of the visuals of that.

(I've always though that Thorin was as though a favorite image from one of my mythology books had walked off the pages into reality, and seeing the Woodland King ride to battle would be that as well, for me.)









"Looking back on Bag End, it's...it's like we're just so innocent. We were all so happy...in that place, about to start this journey" - Richard Armitage, The Hobbit Appendices.

"If this is to end in fire, then we will all burn together" - Thorin, The Desolation of Smaug.




Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 27 2014, 2:48pm


Views: 13837
     Furrow it is! And phots and analysis



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"Furrow" works for me, with Lee Pace and most of his characters..

“Furrow” is really the best word for it I feel – it has a nice ME ring to it as well. Less so with ‘groove’, ‘crease’, ‘indentation’ or ‘cleft’.

Smile


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Thanks as always Lurker for supplying the gorgeous LP images. Your photo hosting must be very well organised – mine is a complete shambles!

To quote Aragorn when Haldir arrived in Helm's Deep, "You are most welcome!" But eh, I've been slacking recently and doing it the very sloppy way: I merely googled, usually Thranduil or Lee Pace images, right-clicked on the display image there and copy pasted the image location. By right, I should set the resulting image to open onto the actual source so everyone who clicked it can go and view or save it, but yeah, I have been really sloppy lazy. Blush Plus doing it this carries the risk of broke links, and no Pretty! I will endeavour to keep to the straight and narrow going forward.



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And I hadn’t given previous thought to elderly Bilbo, as narrator, at the end of that piece. He shakes his head - he knows both Thranduil and Thorin, and he knows who has been lost. His reflection is more personal than merely the tut-tutting of a storyteller with a tale of inter-racial friendships gone sour. (Were they ever really friends though, or more just living side by side in tolerance?)

If my Silm mem is correct, [spoiler start] there was some friendliness long long ago, but it all went out the window due to a certain incident involving a necklace, Dwarven craftsmen contracted to work the jewellery, and the Elf King who hired them. Info here. You will see quite the resonance of that story with what's in TH so far [spoiler end]



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Good point. Because Thranduil does seem to offer some trust in this quest, in that Thorin will hold up his end of the bargain and return with the white gems. Though, if we dissect this, “I offer you my help” most likely means “I offer you a troupe of highly armed and dangerous elves”, reading between the lines to mean “I offer you absolutely no opportunity to go back on your word.”

What precise reading of that one line. Who can blame Thranduil though, for wanting to dictate the terms this time, after what Thorin's granddad pulled. He's definitely not one you can pull a fast one on twice.



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If Thranduil needs Thorin to enter the mountain, and wants to grab this opportunity - “you’ve found a way in” – I wonder if he had previously dispatched some of his elves to skulk around the mountain and have a red-hot go. Or whether the dragon danger has just kept him right away, given his past encounter with them.

I think he might have sent a reconnaissance taskforce, but not try anything and waste lives, especially since he faced dragons before. It's a lucky thing that Smaug came down south. If Mirkwood was in his path to Erebor, he might have devastated it for fun
before attending to the serious Dwarven horde. Thranduil's treasure vault might not have anything on Erebor, but treasure is still treasure and which dragon turns his nose up at more? So I think Thranduil would play the prudent card and keep it real quiet and wait for a change Smile He's definitely being sly here.



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And someone has put a lot of time into those ME deviant art awards. The cartooning of the characters is nicely done.Smile

Yeah! I'm looking forward to the BotFA edition


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elf-lady
Rivendell

May 27 2014, 3:21pm


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     That was very funny!

Thanks for sharing that Lurker. Thranduil has gorgeous HAIR!


BlackFox
Half-elven


May 27 2014, 3:55pm


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     Have you seen this gorgeous artwork by John Howe?

You probably have, but I'm going to post it anyway. Just in case some haven't. Smile




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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


May 27 2014, 6:36pm


Views: 13774
     Nice! This really tickles my imagination!

Haven't seen that before. I like the white version of the elk with the golden harness, and the hunting falcon/hawk, and Thranduil's regal outfit.Cool

I love John Howe's art and these kinds of pictures always tickle my imagination. As I look at all the details I'm already starting to ask questions about the story the picture is telling. Like, the forest doesn't look sick in this pic, so is this Greenwood before it became Mirkwood? Who is that in the background? They look like travelers since they have horse-drawn carts piled high with stuff. I wonder where they're going and why they're going this way? Do they know Thranduil is there? Does Thranduil know who they are? Speaking of which, I wonder what Thranduil is doing out there in the first place? Given that he has the hawk and a sword and a bow, I guess we can assume that he's out hunting, but is he hunting alone or are there other elves with him? *cough* Anyway, you get the idea.Smile

Going back to thinking about the white version of the elk...It definitely reminds me of the white deer that's supposed to make an appearance in the DOS EE. Since they definitely seem to be making it a stag instead of a mother deer and babies like in the book, and it's supposed to be a projection of Thranduil, I wonder if the stag might end up looking something like this? For that matter, what if the elk isn't even an elk? What if it's really a jumbo-sized deer and the white stag ends up being that size too? In my mind, it actually makes sense that they might do something like that with movie stag because quite a lot of other things in Mirkwood seems to be jumbo sized too, like the spiders, bats and centipedes, and IIRC the book also mentioned giant moths didn't it? Add to that the fact that movie stag isn't just a stag, it's a projection of Thranduil and I think we may be able to expect one jumbo white stag! Does anyone else agree?

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And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
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BlackFox
Half-elven


May 27 2014, 7:01pm


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     Hmm...


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Who is that in the background? They look like travelers since they have horse-drawn carts piled high with stuff. I wonder where they're going and why they're going this way?

The dwarves of Erebor, robbed of their home, seeking the Elvenking's help, maybe?


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BlackFox
Half-elven


May 27 2014, 7:04pm


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     Reminds me of a shot from the prologue of AUJ

http://www.framecaplib.com/...es/hauj/hauj0091.jpg

Don't you think? Smile


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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


May 27 2014, 7:06pm


Views: 13783
     Thranduil vlog images

We may, but even if we do I think they'll could look a little different than what was in the vlogs. As far as I can tell, it seems like there are cameras specifically dedicated to the filming of vlog footage and the vlogs only seem to use footage from those cameras, not the actual movie cameras. Therefore, it is my theory that even if we only get the same Armour Thranduil shots seen in the vlogs , they may still look different because they'll have been shot from different angles, distances, etc.

Personally, I'd like to see some new Thranduil action shots as well as a dramatic/moody profile or two.

Btw, the Middle-earth awards were great! I love that Thranduil won the best hair!Laugh

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And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


May 27 2014, 7:39pm


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     Re thread views

When I logged in this morning there were 800+ views on this thread. Five hours later, there are now 1000+! Wow! That's cool and creepy all at the same time!CoolCrazy

To all those silent peeps out there: Feel free to join in on the Thralldom if you'd like. Obsession can be fun and there's plenty to go around!LaughWink

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And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
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Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


May 27 2014, 7:55pm


Views: 13778
     Ah, yes it does!

So, I guess this could be John Howe's depiction of what Thorin was talking about when he told Thranduil, "We came to you once, starving, homeless, seeking your help, but you turned your back."

Good catch BlackFox!Cool

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And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
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BlackFox
Half-elven


May 27 2014, 9:40pm


Views: 7192
     Confirmation

From Howe's homepage: "Thranduil, King of the Woodland Realm, watching a troupe of dwarven merchants making their way through Greenwood." (http://www.john-howe.com/...ls.php?image_id=6013)
Note the use of the name Greenwood - just as you mentioned in your first post!


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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


May 28 2014, 1:59am


Views: 7159
     Cool! //

 

"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 28 2014, 3:47am


Views: 7178
     Geeky analysis of the T&T scene... Aaaand an easier option for movie dialogue

The scripts for both TH movies are online here, courtesy of the LotR Project. From there, the translation for that Thorin Dwarvish line as Thranduil does that perfect subtle sneer before he swooshed into the insolent Dwarf's face is "Imrid amrad ursul! [Rough translation: Die a death of flames!]"

Thanks for the pics! (is the EE here yet?? Tongue) *stares at Pretty!* hmmm, right, on with the analysis!



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1. Thorin says “we came to you once, seeking your help”. The prologue suggests that Thranduil and his riders were out and about, and in the right place at the wrong time. Spotted by Thorin during the evacuation, would that be the point at which he spontaneously requested TH’s help, or would it be more pre-meditated, in that Thorin and his people either turned up to Mirkwood or sent messengers requesting help?

I think the latter. "We came to you once" suggests an active request, not a happenstance (OT: What the hell is Thranduil doing, trampling to Erebor with such a large armed entourage but is himself not in armour? Did he intend to menace Thror into handing over them white gems?).

[Spoiler start] Now that I think about it, I wonder if they're trying to setup some resonance with the help request Bard's gonna send post-Smaug? [Spoiler end]



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2. Harking back to recent discussion on facial scar – it really looks like Thranduil is summoning it forth and that it’s painful to do so.

The ominous crack of thunder sure adds accent to the pain and effort. Looks like one to me, so why can't it be a memory? Tongue
I still don't buy the conceit thing



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3. “I warned your grandfather of what his greed would summon..” Wondering if this little chat took place before, during or after Thror refused him the gems.

I think it may be all three, though not all instances in person. Somewhere in Erebor, if it hasn't been burnt by Smaug or the silverfish hasn't gotten to them, there may be a pile of letters, probably crumpled and in Thror's wastebasket, featuring an elegant Elven script, with words so sharp they would bleed the paper if it could feel them. Oh to get one of those precious letters- Thranduil's personal autograph!



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4. Of the two main definitions of ‘prosaic’- one being ‘unimaginative, dull, mundane’ and so on, I think TH would be using the second, ‘commonplace, every day, ordinary’. Attempting to burgle a site like Erebor would be anything but mundane.

The snark quotient in this line is through the roof. Plus the way he says "prosaic" Just HeartHeartHeartHeartHeartHeartHeartHeartHeartHeartHeartHeartHeartHeartHeartHeartHeartHeart
And I believe it's double-entendred in itself. Then he has to follow that with his almost snarl as he said "burglary". Another thudderous priceless bit! Talk about twist of smoke and keeping himself in check.



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5."I am listening" suggests Thorin is open to negotiations. At least it does to me, in, I suppose, modern usage. Did Thranduil's following line blow this out of the water, or was Thorin preparing to spit the dummy all along?

I read it as Thorin preparing to spit the dummy (OT: Nice phrase!) regardless. And he might already have an inkling of what the help entailed and was merely stringing Thranduil along for the spit, knowing how much those gems meant to him, especially if he's read any of that basketful of letters Tongue



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You are just like him. Stay here if you will, and rot. A hundred years is a mere blink in the life of an elf. I’m patient. I can wait.

There's got be some missing lines in here. Especially before he tells Thorin to rot. EE now!


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 28 2014, 5:10am


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     Teaser? Trailer?


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Oh, I don't know. Of course for House of Durin thralls we may be less enthused about a trailer and have a mix of feelings. Also for me it is way too soon as the movie is SO far away - sometimes I wonder if I'm not more excited about the EE with all that lovely missing footage.

Yeah, for all the reasons above. I think it's probably a teaser, not a trailer, and that's why I think they may be stingy and not show us anything terribly new... well, for fans who've followed the vlogs anyway.



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But, re the trailer, since I assume it's not going to reveal much - can't get the picture out of my head of something brooding and ominous, that really doesn't show much though. Perhaps of series of "darkened silhouette" type images of the main characters looking appropriately grim - which would include Thranduil of course and his lovely profile.

Yes! Though I wager it's teaser now, trailer later, prolly in July at Comic-con? Something along the lines of the treatment for RotK (teaser - 1.33min, trailer - 2.56min). Interestingly, the DOS teaser ("Where does your journey end?" <- this better be in the EE) was 2.08mins and the trailer 2.23mins (too buch Legolas and Tauriel Tongue). hmm not much of a diff there in terms of length but content seems more revealing? Though they're really stingy with showing anything much of Thranduil at all, except for the sumptiously generous voice-over for the trailer ... nevermind me, I'm going all Crazy on teaser/trailer now



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just sayin' (again) that PJ & co. (and WB) would be very foolish not to make heavy use of Thranduil, who (justifiably) attracted so much attention with relatively little screen time. As far as I can tell, everyone wants more Thranduil (and Beorn).

Right on! I don't get it. With LotR they already have the prior experience of the Elf!fandom thanks to Legolas. (And dare I mention Figwit?) They were pretty quick to exploit the squee and use Legolas in the promos more at least. And he was well, more or less eye-candy only (sorry Legolas). And here we've got his Daddy, who is premium eye-candy for sure, and yet also so much more. His appeal extends much beyond the fangirl squee Legolas managed. And yet, people have to repeatedly say there's not enough of him? Did the production simply fail to see the potential of the Thranduil effect from the costume fittings, and the rehearsals? Where's the acumen that put Legolas as front and centre as you could possibly go without changing the story to Fellowship of the Elf-squee in LotR?

I also the first reveal of Thranduil was almost accidental and not a proper reveal usually accorded to important characters? As in the LP Thranduil appearing in a children's colouring book that was a movie tie-in? Crazy



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And Elf-King in wrath, one of the greatest of ME's warriors finally aroused from his isolationist position - I just drool at the prospect of the visuals of that.

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(I've always though that Thorin was as though a favorite image from one of my mythology books had walked off the pages into reality, and seeing the Woodland King ride to battle would be that as well, for me.)

*SIGH* ... yes, I want all that! Thranduil in his menacing glory, riding into the battleground of this scrimmage (Can we even hope for a lookback to the Battle of Dagorlad?), strutting his warrior cool, and those gorgeous swords!!!

Avandel, can I say again how I love your equal-opportunity fangirling, even though there is no doubt where your allegiance lie? Smile


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 28 2014, 5:15am


Views: 7132
     No dispute there!

 



Supporting GIFs for easy analysis Sly




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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 28 2014, 5:25am


Views: 7140
     I know what you mean

At least we won't have the inconvenient tree anatomy marring the view



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Personally, I'd like to see some new Thranduil action shots as well as a dramatic/moody profile or two.

I hope so! Though they've been rather scroogey with the showing Thranduil in the DOS trailers, so I wonder if they'll be the same way with BotFA. Unimpressed




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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 28 2014, 5:27am


Views: 7131
     LOL... as a recalcitrant lurker...

I can understand why there's views but much less posts. But yes, as a recalcitrant lurker, I can say with confidence joining in is much more fun than lurking Smile


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 28 2014, 5:38am


Views: 7135
     Beautiful painting. Thanks, Blackfox... and a geeky observation

Without the confirmation I was thinking it was Thranduil going on an outing near the Old Forest Road the Dwarves used while Oropher ruled. He doesn't seem dressed for work, and the falcon suggests a hunting excursion on his own?

With the confirmation that it's Thranduil the King in Greenwood, then it's got to be before Dol Guldur, circa 1100-1150 TA(?). Interesting and lovely milieu nonetheless.

@Eruvandi - too early for Thorin's time for sure. He would not have been born yet.


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elf-lady
Rivendell

May 28 2014, 1:19pm


Views: 7099
     Do join in!


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When I logged in this morning there were 800+ views on this thread. Five hours later, there are now 1000+! Wow! That's cool and creepy all at the same time!CoolCrazy

To all those silent peeps out there: Feel free to join in on the Thralldom if you'd like. Obsession can be fun and there's plenty to go around!LaughWink

I definitely try to participate but it can be intimidating in the amount of posts/day and choosing which to respond to and most of the time, someone else has already made the observation or point by the time I get back online and I don't want to be redundant. Tongue


elf-lady
Rivendell

May 28 2014, 1:26pm


Views: 7108
     Oh I definitely want to see that and MORE!


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*SIGH* ... yes, I want all that! Thranduil in his menacing glory, riding into the battleground of this scrimmage (Can we even hope for a lookback to the Battle of Dagorlad?), strutting his warrior cool, and those gorgeous swords!!!


I wonder if PJ will have Thranduil ride into battle on his giant elk or join his troops on a horse? A horse would make more sense maneuvering about the battle area and I understand LP is a very good rider (he mentioned it on the commentary of "The Fall"). I would love to observe his seat...his seat in the saddle...just sayin'... Sly


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Avandel
Half-elven

May 28 2014, 10:35pm


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     Beautiful - and to add to the art

Just because - LOL if a "Thorin Thrall" is lurking around a Thranduil appreciation thread, maybe some gifts will deflect the ire of the "ill-tempered" Woodland King?Angelic

Not that these are John Howe, but I thought some of the better ones. The trouble with hunting up Thranduil art and images is there just aren't enough Frown. One can only imagine what will be drawn from the expected trailer.



Love, love, love that PJ & co. - and Lee Pace himself - have tied this character back to the myths and folklore; love the tie-back to Cernunnos
http://www.lugodoc.demon.co.uk/CERNUNOS.HTM

"Cernunnos the Stag Lord: Cernunnos was worshipped by the iron age Celts all across Europe as late as the first century AD, and his worship must have begun centuries before that.
Cernunnos is nearly always portrayed with animals, in particular the stag. He is also frequently associated with a unique beast that seems to belong only to him: a serpent with the horns of a ram. Less often he is associated with other beasts, including bulls, dogs and rats.

The ram-horned serpent is particularly interesting. The serpent occurs in myths all across the world, and is nearly always associated with knowledge. Usually these associations are purely pagan, but remember that it was a serpent that tempted Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge. It is also commonly associated with death and the otherworld, and is hence described as cthonic. Cernunnos carries it in his left hand, and in his right he carries a torc, the Celtic symbol of nobility, the symbol of having been initiated into that special state "

The Song of Amergin

I am a stag of seven tines,
I am a wide flood on a plain,
I am a wind on the deep waters,
I am a shining tear of the sun,
I am a hawk on a cliff,
I am fair among flowers,
I am a god who sets the head afire with smoke.
I am a battle waging spear,
I am a salmon in the pool,
I am a hill of poetry,
I am a ruthless boar,
I am a threatening noise of the sea,
I am a wave of the sea,
Who but I knows the secrets of the unhewn dolmen ?


Origin obscure but certainly Celtic
Because of his frequent association with beasts he is often referred to as The Lord of the Animals. Because of his association with stags in particular (a particularly hunted beast) he is also known as The Lord of the Hunt.


A painting that fades to white - hmmm, if BOFA really is fought in snow, what will Thranduil look like, whitefire hair, silver armor, cloak swirling all around?



And since this is a Thranduil appreciation thread, this is just because:


and LOL, because I am a "Thorin Thrall" and thought this was cute (and it IS art. And now we know that Thorin wasn't looking in wonder at Thranduil's scar or magic, but thinking about a plate of ribs):


Avandel
Half-elven

May 29 2014, 12:00am


Views: 7080
     LOL Lurker - my cheating heart

"Avandel, can I say again how I love your equal-opportunity fangirling, even though there is no doubt where your allegiance lie?"

*grins* I thank you *bows* for your welcome - it's a terrible thing, really. Of course by AUJ I knew what Thorin looked like, but getting blown away by an image isn't the same thing as sitting innocently in a theater, and then this happens to me:


Thorinitis, in its most rabid and virulent form. Utter thralldom, and knowing that not only will I need boxes and boxes of tissues, but some of that stuff you use when you've rubbed your skin raw from crying, and probably a whole lot of aspirin.

Still, throughout it's not that I haven't appreciated the beauty of PJ's Middle Earth, a performance that is Martin Freeman's Bilbo, all the rest of the dwarves including fine performances by all especially the wonderful Ken Stott, how Gandalf is still Gandalf, even through the Thorin fog.

And after all, did not RA say he when he met the dwarf cast something to the effect that "he gets his character from them?" E.g. the other cast feeds back into the creation of the characters around each other - note Sir Ian's distress at having to act "green screen". Wow, when I think about that, how good the actor playing Thranduil NEEDED to be. Because in this film version, and according to RA, this was the moment Thorin got to vent much of the rage he had carried for so long. And yet Thranduil comes back at him strongly, setting up the pieces of the tension of the different experiences and perceptions of different peoples that will carry into the third movie. Who is right? Who is wrong?

Besides, like RA saying Thorin's voice needed to be able to command an army, the Woodland King needed to be absolutely believable as an ancient, ageless Woodland King, and having succeeded so beautifully with this actor, there's no way I'm not going to appreciate a vision and performance that brings to life an image from my books and mind. PJ did right in the first trailer, to let Thranduil do the overvoice, that line "Where does your journey end?" that set the tone of the growing darkness of these films so beautifully. So open-ended. So ominous. And I'm still sulking that that line didn't show up in the actual film *sigh*.

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Right on! I don't get it. With LotR they already have the prior experience of the Elf!fandom thanks to Legolas. (And dare I mention Figwit?) They were pretty quick to exploit the squee and use Legolas in the promos more at least. And he was well, more or less eye-candy only (sorry Legolas). And here we've got his Daddy, who is premium eye-candy for sure, and yet also so much more. His appeal extends much beyond the fangirl squee Legolas managed. And yet, people have to repeatedly say there's not enough of him? Did the production simply fail to see the potential of the Thranduil effect from the costume fittings, and the rehearsals? Where's the acumen that put Legolas as front and centre as you could possibly go without changing the story to Fellowship of the Elf-squee in LotR?

Well, cough - hmmm - to be honest, I'm not sure how much PJ & co. can guess - or maybe any movie producer/director etc. can predict what will capture people's imaginations. It's interesting - so, OK, RA is generally agreed to be very handsome, and certainly from the v-blogs they re-vamped Thorin until he ended up "sexy" - makeup artist Tami Lane's words, and not something RA would have thought himself as, I think. (Or appreciate, as he takes his work seriously). Nevertheless, it was Kili who was touted as the "hot dwarf" and so I think they expected a huge amount of attention to fall on him, comparisons of Thorin/Aragorn aside.

Similarly - interestingly for me, I still think the inclusion of Legolas was something that PJ & co. thought would be very, very popular - and I guess it was popular as a recognizable character. But I think, honestly, the inclusion of Legolas was not the mind-blower that PJ & co. expected, whereas Thranduil seems to have quite seized the hearts and imaginations - you know, I still read posts here and there, who still find Thorin's "young" age a cardinal sin, and needs the beard etc., but I have yet to come across any post complaining in ANY way about Lee Pace's Thranduil. I'm sure they are out there, human nature being what it is, but they are probably not credible anyway IMOEvil

Point being - and I hope I am right - that as AUJ unfolded during filming and PJ & co. began to write for "Thorin's voice" I am quite hoping that the same happens for Thranduil. That things were already set for a lot of DOS re story flow, but during that production AND with the cries for "more Thranduil" and during the BOFA editing process, Thranduil will get a nice huge chunk of screen time. Because the people (as far as I can tell) have spoken (even me, a Thorin ThrallCool).

PS. Since I've managed to slip a Thorin image in a Thranduil appreciation threadEvil, here's IMO another nice piece of art from one of my Deviant Art favorites - hadn't seen this before!


and speaking of *sexy* the man himself. One can ONLY hope with Thranduil's significance there will be lots and lots of Lee Pace interviews, with his smile, intelligence, and thoughtfulness.



Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 29 2014, 3:44am


Views: 7073
     Decisions, decisions: To Erebor! Horse or Elk(?)


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I wonder if PJ will have Thranduil ride into battle on his giant elk or join his troops on a horse? A horse would make more sense maneuvering about the battle area and I understand LP is a very good rider (he mentioned it on the commentary of "The Fall"). I would love to observe his seat...his seat in the saddle...just sayin'... Sly

Horse is infinitely practical-ler (and makes less of a target for long-range weapons), but Elk is style and continuity, plus...

Elf alliterates with Elk, or is it the other way round? Tongue

The way Thranduil holds the reins of his Elk definitely speaks of personal riding style of an adept (like those sharpshooters who aim their guns with the gun grip horizontal rather than the conventional vertical position).

(Click on the pic to see the large-sized original)

You think we might see a proper shoot'em up western/adventure in LP's filmography someday, you know just so we can have a proper showcase of his seat?


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 29 2014, 3:57am


Views: 7065
     Pretty! and coincidentally

a John Howe interview just surfaced here. Talk about cosmic confluence.


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The trouble with hunting up Thranduil art and images is there just aren't enough Frown. One can only imagine what will be drawn from the expected trailer.

I'm anticipating the deluge with both excitement and dread



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Love, love, love that PJ & co. - and Lee Pace himself - have tied this character back to the myths and folklore; love the tie-back to Cernunnos
http://www.lugodoc.demon.co.uk/CERNUNOS.HTM

Nice! Thanks for sharing.



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LOL, because I am a "Thorin Thrall" and thought this was cute (and it IS art. And now we know that Thorin wasn't looking in wonder at Thranduil's scar or magic, but thinking about a plate of ribs)

LOL Poorthing. He had been on meagre rations for a while there.
Thanks for this. Truth is, I no longer dare to use Thorin and Thranduil as a search string when looking for stuff now... such a pity, because this is the type of art/humour I'd like to get more of.


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Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V

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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 29 2014, 4:29am


Views: 7063
     No cheat there unless your Thorinitis' virulency is diminished

2 movies in and you're still as enthralled. So I think you're safely Thorinitised since you don't seem to display signs of shaking it when you thrall Thranduil with us here Smile



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PJ did right in the first trailer, to let Thranduil do the overvoice, that line "Where does your journey end?" that set the tone of the growing darkness of these films so beautifully. So open-ended. So ominous. And I'm still sulking that that line didn't show up in the actual film *sigh*.

Yes. That and giving us the orc interrogation. Though based on that, I expected to have more of Thranduil in DOS, not have that be his last scene Mad And there was not much else promo-wise, was there?



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Well, cough - hmmm - to be honest, I'm not sure how much PJ & co. can guess - or maybe any movie producer/director etc. can predict what will capture people's imaginations. It's interesting - so, OK, RA is generally agreed to be very handsome, and certainly from the v-blogs they re-vamped Thorin until he ended up "sexy" - makeup artist Tami Lane's words, and not something RA would have thought himself as, I think. (Or appreciate, as he takes his work seriously). Nevertheless, it was Kili who was touted as the "hot dwarf" and so I think they expected a huge amount of attention to fall on him, comparisons of Thorin/Aragorn aside.

No, I didn't expect them to know for sure. Curvature distorting visions in the crystal ball and all. Just that, they've had the frenzy of Legolas!Squee rain down on them, so it seems poor project management/planning to not at least factor the potential of that scenario happening with THE Elf of this trilogy, especially when he is Legolas' daddy, and maybe plan for it.

(OT: I first noticed RA as the german spy in Captain America, and rather thought he'd fit in a period film perfectly. Interesting that he was a dubious character there and a King in TH. Same with LP - first recognition of him was as Fernando Wood in Lincoln-
a dubious character there and then, ba-bam! Elvenking in TH!)



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Similarly - interestingly for me, I still think the inclusion of Legolas was something that PJ & co. thought would be very, very popular - and I guess it was popular as a recognizable character. But I think, honestly, the inclusion of Legolas was not the mind-blower that PJ & co. expected, whereas Thranduil seems to have quite seized the hearts and imaginations - you know, I still read posts here and there, who still find Thorin's "young" age a cardinal sin, and needs the beard etc., but I have yet to come across any post complaining in ANY way about Lee Pace's Thranduil. I'm sure they are out there, human nature being what it is, but they are probably not credible anyway IMOEvil

Exactly. I think they miscalculated with the Legolas effect, which has been underwhelming... maybe it really is true that most of his fanbase have moved on. imo, giving Tauriel an expanded role didn't help his cause either, though she's actually better executed than Legolas [which is sad, even for this (diminished) Legolas Lass]. I think its testament to both Thranduil the character and LP's talent as an actor that despite being sidelined a little, he's, as you said, seized hearts and imaginations.

I read a few Tolkienites' reviews, and even those who did not like the adaptation generally had good things to say about Thranduil and LP. I did read one scathing opinion by someone who called herself the expert on all things Thranduil - couldn't help but wonder if we read the same books and saw the same movies though (but she seemed to disapprove the lot of PJ's ruling Elves anyway), so there you go... human nature, what an inconvenient condition Tongue


Hmm... Thorin definitely gives the vibe of being the TH Aragorn, with Kili sharing some of the load? To be honest, as a Longbeard, he does seem *cough* a little lacking where it counts (look at Gimli fcs), but I get why he ended up the way he is in TH. Its a heavy burden to bear, being the hearttrob of the trilogy, nevermind that he's an uncle to another.



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Point being - and I hope I am right - that as AUJ unfolded during filming and PJ & co. began to write for "Thorin's voice" I am quite hoping that the same happens for Thranduil. That things were already set for a lot of DOS re story flow, but during that production AND with the cries for "more Thranduil" and during the BOFA editing process, Thranduil will get a nice huge chunk of screen time. Because the people (as far as I can tell) have spoken (even me, a Thorin ThrallCool).

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and speaking of *sexy* the man himself. One can ONLY hope with Thranduil's significance there will be lots and lots of Lee Pace interviews, with his smile, intelligence, and thoughtfulness.


Hear hear! There is always hope I guess. Though I have more faith in the EEs... the TEs may already be too far along to do much, especially considering the work they had to do with changing and moving stuff around when TH became a trilogy 6 months before the original finale aka TABA was to premiere.



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PS. Since I've managed to slip a Thorin image in a Thranduil appreciation threadEvil, here's IMO another nice piece of art from one of my Deviant Art favorites - hadn't seen this before!

I Heart this and the series... if I were in the US, I'd buy the merchandise too! And there's such a choice, covering most TH squeedoms Smile


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Kerewyn
Rohan


May 29 2014, 5:01am


Views: 7061
     John Howe image


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Cernunnos the Stag Lord: Cernunnos was worshipped by the iron age Celts all across Europe as late as the first century AD, and his worship must have begun centuries before that.


Y’know, when I looked at this beautiful John Howe piece, it seemed rather Arthurian. That is, it reminds me of an image I once saw of King Arthur in a forest – and I think there may have been a stag in the distance? Then I was recalling my very vague knowledge of the Arthur legend, and the pagan manhood ritual he underwent as a “teen” (though it’s most likely I am recalling a chapter from ‘Mists of Avalon’.) But I believe the Stag Lord played a part in that ritual.

Anyway thanks for sharing Smile

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)

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Kerewyn
Rohan


May 29 2014, 9:05am


Views: 7048
     Vocal nuances


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The scripts for both TH movies are online here, courtesy of the LotR Project. From there, the translation for that Thorin Dwarvish line as Thranduil does that perfect subtle sneer before he swooshed into the insolent Dwarf's face is "Imrid amrad ursul! [Rough translation: Die a death of flames!]"


Well hey – can’t believe I didn’t know about that script site! Just as well I enjoy a bit of nerdy admin transcribing work.
"Imrid amrad ursul!” Ah! It’s clearly obvious if one pays attention, that Thorin must be delivering some sort of dragon-related line, because of TH’s direct response. This passed me by (*sigh* so many things do!)


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The snark quotient in this line is through the roof. Just (hearts) And I believe it's double-entendred in itself. Then he has to follow that with his almost snarl as he said "burglary". Another thudderous priceless bit! Talk about twist of smoke and keeping himself in check.



I know, right?! It was hearing how he said ‘prosaic’ that made me refer to ‘delicious vocal nuances’. I also love, in his orc-beheading scene, how he says “There is nothing he could tell me.

As a radio copywriter, I just love picking up on awesome vocal work. Thorin’s voice also bowls me over. Voice is such a major part of acting, and the voices of ME are so strong and credible. (LOL - recently we had a female voiceover in the studio and I just wanted to say to her “could you please try to sound a little more like Cate Blanchett in the Prologue of FOTR?”)

Wouldn’t it be great if LP decided to lend his voice to an audio book?! Heart Tom Hiddleston has done one (The Red Necklace) which I, naturally, own.


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I read it as Thorin preparing to spit the dummy (OT: Nice phrase!)




Oh, is this phrase not widely known? LOL! Must be specifically antipodean in use. I could also use local phrases such as “chuck a tanty” or the more vulgar “crack the sh*ts”.

Aussie slang dictionary : Spit the Dummy: To get uncontrollably [very] upset at someone or something.

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)

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Kerewyn
Rohan


May 29 2014, 9:11am


Views: 7078
     LP, and riding


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Same with LP - first recognition of him was as Fernando Wood in Lincoln-a dubious character there and then, ba-bam! Elvenking in TH!)


Thranduil was my first glimpse of Lee Pace ever. Yep, had never even seen Pushing Daisies. Or those final Twilight films.


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I understand LP is a very good rider (he mentioned it on the commentary of "The Fall").



It just so happens I have ‘The Fall’ in my bag, ready to post back to Quickflix. This made me rip it back out of the envelope, to take home again. I can’t believe I forgot to watch it with commentary! (I may post my thought on The Fall at some stage soon.)

Speaking of which - Lurker, remember that picture you posted in Thread III of LP in blue tracksuit top and woolly hat? I think I wondered it it were taken while hiking in NZ. But no, I have now found its source – go to The Fall IMDB page here http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460791/ and click on the 2nd video. LP talks about riding in this – he clearly enjoys it.

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)

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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 29 2014, 2:07pm


Views: 7049
     OT: Mists Of Avalon!

That's another fav of my teen years. Ah the memory.

And if I haven't said it before, Kerewyn: I love your sig Smile


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 29 2014, 2:24pm


Views: 7022
     Voice


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I know, right?! It was hearing how he said ‘prosaic’ that made me refer to ‘delicious vocal nuances’. I also love, in his orc-beheading scene, how he says “There is nothing he could tell me.

Delicious indeed.

Re the orc-beheading scene: I think I am in love with everything he did in the scene. From his voice, particularly that little soliloquy to open the scene and the way he said " You have nothing to fear. Tell us what you know, and I will set you free" (so seductively assuring, so full of promise, but so empty), to his uber stillness when barking that order to Tauriel to stop, and when he beheaded the orc, physically he didn't seem to exert any effort at all, so otherworldly, so... Elvish



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LOL - recently we had a female voiceover in the studio and I just wanted to say to her “could you please try to sound a little more like Cate Blanchett in the Prologue of FOTR?”

LOL! Her delivery in the prologue gave me chills the first time I was in the theatre. There was a time I could mouth the lines along with her too... how far have I fallen.Crazy



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Wouldn’t it be great if LP decided to lend his voice to an audio book?! Heart Tom Hiddleston has done one (The Red Necklace) which I, naturally, own.

That's an idea for sure! I would so go out and buy it even if it's just a rendering of the periodic table and common chemical compounds of the world Tongue

Incidentally, I see that Richard Armitage has a number of BBC documentary narrations to his name. As a nature programme and docu-nerd I'd love to hear LP narrating something for National Geographic or Discovery. There's been a few nice features - Jeremy Irons did one for a Lions programme, Josh Brolin did a whole series on the American wilderness (imagine that, a whole series of LP narration!)



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Oh, is this phrase not widely known? LOL! Must be specifically antipodean in use. I could also use local phrases such as “chuck a tanty” or the more vulgar “crack the sh*ts”.

Nope. I looked it up and it definitely is antipodean. Smile I love it though. The visual is just too... preciouss



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Avandel
Half-elven

May 30 2014, 12:16am


Views: 6993
     LOL you are gonna have to start another Thranduil appreciation thread

"Truth is, I no longer dare to use Thorin and Thranduil as a search string when looking for stuff now... such a pity, because this is the type of art/humour I'd like to get more of."

You mean 'coz of the "stuff" that shows up? Totally understand. There are times when I left my eyebrows, but I take the *majestic* or haughty tactic of pity - e.g. if you are silly enough to make graphic stuff and post online, don't think it won't ever get back to you - like the woman who had her fan fic read for laughs during some Sherlock event. Also *shrug* if that's what is going on in your head, - euuuuuw. Guess it finds an audience - another euuuuuuw. But there's some good stuff out there:

Funny!



LOL!


And fans do a lot with a little:





And what I bet all Thranduil fans think:








Avandel
Half-elven

May 30 2014, 12:22am


Views: 6982
     And, another lovely stag image

Off Thorin's FB page - oh, how I want the white stag scene in the EE!



Elciryamo
Rivendell

May 30 2014, 5:22am


Views: 6982
     Something that I thought I would share




Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 30 2014, 6:15am


Views: 6966
     That vid


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Thranduil was my first glimpse of Lee Pace ever. Yep, had never even seen Pushing Daisies. Or those final Twilight films.

If it helps, I have a tendency to notice actors (ok it helps when they look GOOD) in small roles, and then forget about the actors who impressed me (because they're not all over the place anyway), only to be slapped with a large trout by vague-ish memory when I see them in something else, which sends me scurrying to find info about the actor, and then things will start to stick properly. Even with LP, I had checked his filmography and knew he was Thranduil (I was passively keeping myself away from TH news to keep from being spoilt), so I was expecting a lot. Was suitably impressed with his look in AUJ (ok, much Heart) but I was reserving judgment since it was just the 2 headtilts then. But memory really isn't all that it's cut out to be, so I did a double-take and had to go look him up again after DOS to reconnect the dots... and that's how I ended up "lurking" here, and setting about finding his other work, and finished PD not too long ago.



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Speaking of which - Lurker, remember that picture you posted in Thread III of LP in blue tracksuit top and woolly hat? I think I wondered it it were taken while hiking in NZ. But no, I have now found its source – go to The Fall IMDB page here http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460791/ and click on the 2nd video. LP talks about riding in this – he clearly enjoys it.

You mean this one? Thanks for the headsup, but there seems to be only 1 vid on that page (or am I missing something - been looking through the page for a while now) and its the trailer (though it reaffirms the topic on the other post you did - LP has a great voice for narration!)






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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 30 2014, 6:33am


Views: 6965
     LOL Eventually yeah. We're good for another 150-ish

... before threadlock! Going by the previous threads, we should have another 2 weeks methinks, unless... trailer!



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You mean 'coz of the "stuff" that shows up? Totally understand. There are times when I left my eyebrows, but I take the *majestic* or haughty tactic of pity - e.g. if you are silly enough to make graphic stuff and post online, don't think it won't ever get back to you - like the woman who had her fan fic read for laughs during some Sherlock event. Also *shrug* if that's what is going on in your head, - euuuuuw. Guess it finds an audience - another euuuuuuw. But there's some good stuff out there:

HAHA, yes, "stuff". Using the two names together in an image search is a bad idea... well, depending on your take. The "stuff" doesn't faze as much as annoy, after the amusement wears off, just cos of the volume. It's the strangeness of feeling the urge to explain that I'm sifting THROUGH the "stuff" to get at stuff, not purveying the "stuff" per se when there's others around who can see the screen. Evil



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And what I bet all Thranduil fans think:

Nope. Sorry to disappoint. Key verb missing there: "Should be" Frown






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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 30 2014, 6:41am


Views: 7203
     EE now!

I think it's a foregone conclusion there's much expectations, for November and December. Crazy


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 30 2014, 6:44am


Views: 7215
     Thanks, Elciryamo

It's pretty.
(though I have to do the nerdy thing and state I wonder if Mrs Thranduil would be blond? Tongue)


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 30 2014, 11:51am


Views: 7260
     Woodland Weekend! Thranduil stuff, and thingies on his avatars making waves in his absence

It's the pre-weekend, at least from where I'm sitting. Time to unload goodies gathered since the last time we marked a weekend. Fellow thralls, you have your work cut for you.

Oh yeah: Compound thudderly, giggle out loud, brownie-spew, spoilerly thingies, warning


Thranduil


PD



The Fall

HACF

Crossovers & Others (warning: some not involving the Elvenking at all)


LP
Pics & GIFs
: here, here + here (Kerewyn: TH alert Smile), here, here, here,
Erm... dunno where this fit, but I stumbled on it and had to share because it's very sweet - the cast and crew of ME are GREAT!

Interview Articles
These are all new interviews Smile

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“When you play the king of elves and alien warlords, little me is very uninteresting,” says Pace, with a dismissive shrug. “But, at the same time, actors feel this obligation to be transparent, and I truly don’t understand the point.” (source)

Good on him!


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Those prominent roles haven't turned Pace into your typical movie star — in fact, he's quite the opposite, opting to reside in New York instead of Hollywood, and never appearing in tabloids. Dressed in a cozy grey lightweight sweater and a tan corduroy jacket, with a black-on-black Yankees baseball cap he removed while indoors, Pace politely squinted into the sun when we moved our chat outside, just to keep eye contact. He had to be told — demanded even — to put his sunglasses on before he'd oblige. "See, that's LA. I would think you'd want to look someone in the eye, you want to know what they think," he said without a hint of insincerity. (source)

Just LOL



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Lee Pace: Man, I can't even tell you how. I mean it's been this past year living out of a suitcase. We shot the pilot in April, went from Atlanta to London, did the first tests for Ronan, the kind of costume and make up and all that stuff. Went from there to New Zealand, shot my pick-ups for the "Hobbit." Went from there back to London, did that whole crazy, f***ing movie. I mean the craziest thing I think I've ever been a part of was that movie. And then basically went from that right into this. Wait. No! No, no, I went from that into Stephen Frears' movie about Lance Armstrong. Why I thought I needed another movie in there, I don't know. And then I just finished this about a month ago so I'm like home and finally get a chance to have a life. (source)

My, he has been B.U.S.Y.



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Q: You’ve also played a broad variety of characters, from a vampire to a politician. Is there a role you haven’t played yet but have always wanted to?
A: I’ve been very fortunate to play lots of different characters. I’m pretty curious and adventurous. I’d love to play a dog. [Laughs]
(source)



That's all, Thralls! Move along now...




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You've got me...

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The non-worksafe ones aka the Estrogen Island stuff (don't worry, they're really PG, right on the edge is all): pics (Kerewyn - this one's for you), [HACF SPOILER]here[HACF SPOILER]


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 30 2014, 2:12pm


Views: 7366
     Who played Thranduil's steed?




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CLICK: One person online actually asked what the name of the elk you’re riding was.

LP: Actually there’s an actor playing the Elk you should ask. It’s a horse named Moose. Playing the elk.
(source)


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Not so far back, Lee Pace, who plays Thranduil -- ancient and ambivalent ruler of the woodland elves -- had a devil of a job maintaining his imperious bearing as his ride, a horse by the name of Moose which plays a stag, decided to freak out at a host of Spock-eared extras.
(this page from this source)




This is too cute. So I wager a horse named Moose would be one of the large breeds, probably a Clydesdale?


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Rembrethil
Tol Eressea


May 30 2014, 4:33pm


Views: 7170
     Hmmm..... A thought on the scar

I've previously postulated (Say that ten times fast!Cool) that the 'scar' was a physical one, but his appearance was obscured by his 'fading'. I won't repeat myself unless I need to, but perhaps when he shows his 'scar' he becomes more physical, and he is painfully surprised when he experiences more feeling than he is used to.

A neat fan-fic idea anyway.....

Call me Rem, and remember, not all who ramble are lost...Uh...where was I?


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 31 2014, 1:58pm


Views: 7165
     I tried


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I've previously postulated (Say that ten times fast!Cool)

Not a good idea at all Tongue


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that the 'scar' was a physical one, but his appearance was obscured by his 'fading'. I won't repeat myself unless I need to, but perhaps when he shows his 'scar' he becomes more physical, and he is painfully surprised when he experiences more feeling than he is used to.

A neat fan-fic idea anyway.....

(emphasis mine) Delicious idea, Rem! Is this up somewhere?Smile




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Rembrethil
Tol Eressea


May 31 2014, 3:30pm


Views: 7125
     Sorry, but no...

While I think that I am a fairly decent writer, fan-fiction isn't my forte. I barely maintain a flirting relationship with the stories I've sketched out in my head. I really need to finish writing at least one of those books....

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vanima ephel
Rivendell


Jun 1 2014, 2:35am


Views: 7123
     Look at all this!

*runs in*

So Awesome! Thank you, and everyone, for all the goodies!

Have you seen this yet? (My internet is spotty right now, but it doesn't look like one you or anyone else here has listed. There's a slightly better pic of Lee as RtA. And lots of general Heart)

*runs out*

"I dissent, even at the risk of being held incorrect or not sober."

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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 1 2014, 3:45am


Views: 7109
     You're welcome... aaaaand she's gone (what's the hurry, vanima?)

heeey... thanks. It's the first interview quoted in my list Smile (slow down, and read the godo stuff... more coming shortly)


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 1 2014, 4:01am


Views: 7139
     Woodland Weekend Contines! (some more good things out there)

Just a few more things that's surfaced. (where is everybody anyway?)


Thranduil
Pics:
http://babybarnes23.tumblr.com/...tiful-not-to-mention
http://thrandurins.tumblr.com/post/87413260839
gif:
http://principessa-delle-ombre.tumblr.com/post/87387675777

http://mybabybop.tumblr.com/...t-and-ran-with-it-no
Fanart:
http://oakenshieldoferebor.tumblr.com/...3/shield-by-lucife56


Ned
swordplay Gif http://lee-pace-everyday.tumblr.com/...il-in-his-early-days
Pushing Daisies Is Springing Back To Life: http://youtu.be/0wE-4KLi7FQ
Lee Pace On GMA (2007): http://youtu.be/192POA3Ri10


Joe
Pic: http://lavenderjoy79.tumblr.com/...man-or-woman-that-is
PlaylistHACF feature: http://radiotvtalk.blog.ajc.com/...983-debuting-june-1/



LP
Pics:
comic con 2013 http://mybabybop.tumblr.com/...asculine-im-swooning
Crossover/AU http://maivolchica.tumblr.com/post/87310674361

Interviews:
http://tvline.com/2014/05/30/halt-and-catch-fire-season-1-lee-pace-pushing-daisies-musical/

http://smartladieslovestuff.com/...e-hot-dudes-lee-pace
http://www.metro.us/...ambition-armadillos/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...amp;ir=Entertainment

Podcast (This is very long, 40min-ish, and very cute)
http://www.happysadconfused.com/2014/05/30/lee-pace/





Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 1 2014, 12:44pm


Views: 7106
     Thanks for your pics Avandel

The glowing white stag in the water... beautiful. Quite by coincidence, I'd been looking at this then turned the TV on in time to see the Potterverse patronas. It's all about stags this weekend!


Look at that physique! Shocked He's fairly bristling with muscle under that robe. Also, in that shot you can see the natural colours in the crown, which don't always seem to be apparent.

The 'collage square' of images you posted above this one - I simply can't make out what LP is doing, in the bottom right pic. Caressing a horse? Riding a wrecking ball? His leg is in an odd position for a regular pose.

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)

(This post was edited by Kerewyn on Jun 1 2014, 12:58pm)


Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 1 2014, 12:56pm


Views: 7113
     I'm here...!

At last. On Sunday night. Had a bit of enforced time offline, with our work server going down at midday Friday, and then me being out of the house much of the weekend.

And OMG, you have spoiled us! SmileLooks like you’ve been gathering to serve us up lots of wonderful treats! Thanks so much – I’m about to put the kettle on and get viewing (I’ve er, already checked the um, EI stuff Blush )

Before I start…

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Not so far back, Lee Pace, who plays Thranduil -- ancient and ambivalent ruler of the woodland elves -- had a devil of a job maintaining his imperious bearing as his ride, a horse by the name of Moose which plays a stag, decided to freak out at a host of Spock-eared extras.

Well it sounds like he has the riding ability to be able to cope with that. Listen to the link below - I love how he says, with a big smile: “That horse was going for it.”
This is a direct link to the IMDB clip - I bypassed the page and accessed it through google, which I should have done the other day. (how odd that it did not show up for you- maybe there are regional differences)
[http://www.imdb.com/...enplay/vi3102081305/


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And if I haven't said it before, Kerewyn: I love your sig

Ha ha thanks! It’s from one of the Chronicles book, in which MF is talking about the seamless effect of his hobbit legs and feet.

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)


Avandel
Half-elven

Jun 1 2014, 1:48pm


Views: 7097
     You are welcome Kerewyn (:

HeartLOL more of my cheating heart, but my beloved Majesty is off getting a deep conditioning treatment and some new hair beads forged to replace the ones that slipped off in the river. He's not really vain but feels gardening twine in your hair is too soft for the dwarf race, it's metal or nothing.

So *whispers* yes, I HAVE definitely noticed Mr. Pace's physique and it's been one of those random thoughts that pops into my head, especially as "the scene" begins and Thranduil kind of gracefully twists around "You have found a way in". That you had to have one heck of a body and physique to pull off a costume like that - and he's not covered up with any flowing robes or anything in that scene, that might blur any *cough* body softness. Don't know if PJ thinks about stuff like that during the casting - but he must - what did he say last year in an Empire article, something that only 15% of folks worldwide had the body/face to play an elf?

My - what a handsome man LP is, great smile, it's infectious. I think in the pic on the bottom he is hanging onto a fence post, with a horse nuzzling him? - a comic scene of some kind. I LOVE the top row of images, I try not to get excited but think if the "stag" scene doesn't show up in the EE I am going to be very bitter Cool.

Anyone know if LP has ever commented on how he felt about being cast? It's not critical, but I love that RA & dwarves were just SO excited to be cast, and it's obvious from the blogs that Luke Evans would find it hard to leave.


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 1 2014, 11:45pm


Views: 7070
     I'm getting behind on my Thralldom!

It's been a busy week! I gotta catch up sometime so I guess I'll start here.Smile

Interesting article. LP's privacy...It is precious to him beyond measure. I understand that. (See what I did there?Wink) Seriously though, I really do understand his desire for privacy, and his reasoning behind why he doesn't put his personal life out there that much and I definitely agree. Like when he says that it, "gets into a whole cycle of Do you like me?" etc. I feel like way too many celebrities get into that cycle of searching for approval in what others think and, quite frankly, I don't think it's healthy for any of them, mentally or emotionally. I mean, it's fun sometimes to know some basics about a celebrity that I like, such as favorite color, favorite food, and whatever, but I don't need nor do I want to know where they are what they're doing every second of the day. They have just as much of a right to privacy as I do, y'know?Evil But, um...*cough* If he's really looking to be a farmer...Forget Upstate New York! I happen to know that a bunch of pretty well-known people like to seek privacy way out in the less-populated areas of the Virginia countryside, and I'm sure that I speak for many others when I say we'd be happy to have him here!CoolHeart

I also agree with him that sometimes knowing too much about about an actor's personal life can distract from how believable you find the character because you just have trouble not seeing the actor. It's like with the Hobbit and LOTR movies. I wasn't familiar with the vast majority of the actors when I first saw them so I was able to appreciate the character for the character and not get distracted the actor. Like, I look at Thranduil and I see Thranduil, not LP, because I don't know much about LP. In the case of some of the actors, of course, I've learned more about them over the course of my first year of fandom, and the effect has changed a little, but it still helps that I knew them as the character first, if that makes any sense at all.Blush

"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 2 2014, 1:23am


Views: 7063
     Thranduil's screen time vs. book time: Was he really sidelined?


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Exactly. I think they miscalculated with the Legolas effect, which has been underwhelming... maybe it really is true that most of his fanbase have moved on. imo, giving Tauriel an expanded role didn't help his cause either, though she's actually better executed than Legolas [which is sad, even for this (diminished) Legolas Lass]. I think its testament to both Thranduil the character and LP's talent as an actor that despite being sidelined a little, he's, as you said, seized hearts and imaginations.

I totally understand what you're saying about Thranduil seeming to be sidelined a little in DOS, but when we compare Thranduil's screen time with his book time up to the point where DOS ends, wasn't his role *technically* expanded or at the very least equal to that of the book? I mean, if we think about it for a minute, in the section of the book that DOS covers anyway, Thranduil really only gets three scenes doesn't he? 1. Bombur sees him during his magic river-induced dreams of the elven feast. 2. Thranduil interrogates Thorin, and 3. Thranduil interrogates the other dwarves and locks them all up. After that, IIRC, we don't see him again until after Smaug has been killed do we?

Now let's look at the movie: 1. He interrogates Thorin, 2. He has his conversation with Tauriel, and 3. The orc interrogation scene. So, we have already have 3 book scenes for 3 movie scenes and two of those movie scenes are already an expansion on his character. THEN if we *drumroll please* look to the EEWink, *if* the things that we have heard rumors about are indeed added we'll get: 4. Thranduil is the white stag 5. Thranduil interrogates all of the dwarves and 6. some unknown dialogue between Thranduil and Legolas, probably Legolas reporting that Tauriel has left and Thranduil sends him after her. Soooo, now we have 6 movie scenes for 3 book scenes and *technically* his role has been expanded. I'm honestly not sure, it we count the rumored EE material, what more he could have done in DOS with him still being in his isolationist, never-leave-the-forest mindset.

Maybe it's only me who thinks that, but I just thought I'd toss it out there and see what y'all think.Smile (Of course, even though I think his role was technically expanded from the book for DOS, that doesn't mean that I think it was enough. There's never enough Thranduil, and I really hope we get even more expansion in Bofa!Angelic)

"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe


The Grey Elf
Grey Havens


Jun 2 2014, 1:40am


Views: 7072
     The "Furrow" (I know, I'm late to this sub thread)

I think the reason why LP's forehead furrow works so well on him is because it looks as if his pronounced philtrum ("filtrum?"), that beautifully sculpted groove that graces his upper lip, reappears between his brows.

I think it's interesting that he has features like the furrow and the heavy eyebrows that aren't in themselves traditionally considered marks of beauty, yet on him they are and give him a distinctive look. Overall, it's a face with such contrasting features, it is equally convincing expressing either a devilish or an angelic character. It must be a great asset as an actor to have both great looks and such an interesting face! Smile (not that he doesn't have loads more going for him!)


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 2 2014, 1:57am


Views: 7050
     Haha


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HAHA, yes, "stuff". Using the two names together in an image search is a bad idea... well, depending on your take. The "stuff" doesn't faze as much as annoy, after the amusement wears off, just cos of the volume. It's the strangeness of feeling the urge to explain that I'm sifting THROUGH the "stuff" to get at stuff, not purveying the "stuff" per se when there's others around who can see the screen. Evil

Right? I was looking at the gallery of this one really good artist on deviantArt and most of her stuff was fine, but, you know how there's that thing on the side that says "more from this artist"? Well, the little versions of the art in that area don't show the whole picture, and I was looking at that and saw what I thought was just a pretty pic of Thranduil the artist had painted, so I clicked it and...GAH! I didn't need to see that.Crazy Turns out she had drawn it as a joke just to mess with her fans, but still... Whenever I get brave and just do a general search for Thranduil on any site that contains fan art, I only do it when no one else can see the screen, because I don't want to have to explain the "stuff" (I'm not sure there *is* an explanation to be honestUnsure) should a wandering eye glance over my shoulder right as I quickly scroll by some of it.*facepalm*CrazyCrazy

"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 2 2014, 2:27am


Views: 7070
     PJ's thoughts and mystery pic


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Don't know if PJ thinks about stuff like that during the casting - but he must - what did he say last year in an Empire article, something that only 15% of folks worldwide had the body/face to play an elf?

I'm sure PJ probably thinks about it to some extent, but I'd say Fran and Philippa give a fair amount of input on the potential actor's physiques as well!Wink If no one else, I'm 100% positive that Ann Maskery, the head costume designer thinks a lot about such things and designs accordingly.


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I think in the pic on the bottom he is hanging onto a fence post, with a horse nuzzling him? - a comic scene of some kind.


Good guess, but I've seen the full pic and he's actually a sitting on a beach with his legs stretched out in front of him, and that white animal is a white and brown beagle that's kind of standing on his lap with it's front paws rested on his arm. It's happy, beagle enthusiasm apparently threw him off balance a little and made him lean back, hence the positioning of his leg.Smile He's got looks and he's a dog lover...could he get any more perfect?Angelic

Hmm...Let me see if I can find the full pic...*Bing search*...Aha! Here it is! Beagle attack!Laugh


"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 2 2014, 2:29am


Views: 7029
     0.0 Pretty! //

 

"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 2 2014, 2:33am


Views: 7044
     Thanks for sharing Elciryamo!

That's really pretty! I especially like how the design of her crown sort of reflects Thranduil's with the spikiness of it and the flowers.Heart I always find it interesting to see how people imagine Thranduil's wife.Smile

"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 2 2014, 2:47am


Views: 7037
     Better late than never :D

All good observations! Just like you said, it's interesting how, despite the fact that certain things about LP's facial structure go against the traditional definition of beauty in a man, they still work for him and give him such a compelling look. I really love how expressive his face is at times and how he can use the slightest movements to convey subtle emotions.

Btw, since we're back to talking about "the furrow" I just thought I would point out that in the makeup industry, they call the area between the eyebrows and the nose the "T-zone" since it is sort of the shape of the letter "T". So, I guess he has a furrow in the middle of his T-zone? That...sounds a little odd.Crazy I think I'll stick with calling it a furrow in the middle of his forehead!Wink

"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 2 2014, 5:18am


Views: 7250
     Thranduil... workout


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Look at that physique! Shocked He's fairly bristling with muscle under that robe. Also, in that shot you can see the natural colours in the crown, which don't always seem to be apparent.

Because Thranduil takes his title as Swordman of ME seriously Smile


(Click for the GIFHeart)


(Click for more images, and a GIF of another practice session... does he seem slimmer here?)


(Click for the GIF)
Hmmm... costume fitting, got to be sure the sword arm gets the give to move properly


Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 2 2014, 5:35am


Views: 7020
     Thanks for the vid

Indeed it was geography discriminatory Unsure But i got around it with this. That's how I managed to watch the HACF sneak premiere too. So now I wonder what else have I missed just cos of location. Anyways...

I like the vid. Not that I'm an expert by any means, but it seems like LP hasn't changed much when compared to his recent interviews - he's still as sincere and willing to talk, but reticent at the same time. I think that's rare for someone in the business so long, and I hope he is able to continue keeping himself true to his core.



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And OMG, you have spoiled us! SmileLooks like you’ve been gathering to serve us up lots of wonderful treats! Thanks so much – I’m about to put the kettle on and get viewing (I’ve er, already checked the um, EI stuff Blush )

Awww... glad to provide. I know the pain of sifting through things out there. I'm happy to save thralls some grief as long as the effort's not viewed as me being a nuisance (erm... especially the EI stuff ) Smile



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Ha ha thanks! It’s from one of the Chronicles book, in which MF is talking about the seamless effect of his hobbit legs and feet.

He gives some of the darnest comments doesn't he?




Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 2 2014, 5:55am


Views: 7041
     Welcome back

was wondering about your radio silence.

btw... in case you missed it, the Pie-maker/Elvenking connections are here in thread IV. vanima provided additional info to plug the gaps in my post.


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Interesting article. LP's privacy...It is precious to him beyond measure. I understand that. (See what I did there?Wink)

Wha...what? Tongue You are right. Still, fans obsess about him. Do not give them hope where there is none.



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But, um...*cough* If he's really looking to be a farmer...Forget Upstate New York! I happen to know that a bunch of pretty well-known people like to seek privacy way out in the less-populated areas of the Virginia countryside, and I'm sure that I speak for many others when I say we'd be happy to have him here!CoolHeart

LOL I'm sure! hmmm ... send him a paper on the virtues of relocating to Virginia?



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I also agree with him that sometimes knowing too much about about an actor's personal life can distract from how believable you find the character because you just have trouble not seeing the actor. It's like with the Hobbit and LOTR movies. I wasn't familiar with the vast majority of the actors when I first saw them so I was able to appreciate the character for the character and not get distracted the actor. Like, I look at Thranduil and I see Thranduil, not LP, because I don't know much about LP. In the case of some of the actors, of course, I've learned more about them over the course of my first year of fandom, and the effect has changed a little, but it still helps that I knew them as the character first, if that makes any sense at all.Blush

PERFECTly. Check out the podcast if you haven't done so. I think it's quite illuminating, along with the stuff he said in the Buzzfeed article. LP really takes his work seriously. Personally, even with well-known actors that I Heart, I find it helps not to know too much about them personally too.

For example, Mr Bruce Wayne Smile Christian Bale's overall to publicity is a model that works for me, as a fan, and he pretty much said the same as LP about privacy, anonmity and disappearing into roles vis-a-vis level of publicity. Yeah, I sometimes get morbidly curious about stuff, or when some intriguing bit turns up. But I'm not going to hunt up names of their relatives or their celebrity friends and haunt social media looking for personal info and grab at shadows. That time is better spent haunting TORn and getting my ME re-education Tongue and looking up art and pretty!






Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 2 2014, 6:18am


Views: 7025
     Yes, contextually, I believe so

So happy to see your post. See, thralls do do and are capable of meaningful stuff like analysis from time to time. Smile (Coincidentally the most of the threads I've visited today had some variation of this topic ie Thranduil and his role/motivation in the movie... interesting)



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I totally understand what you're saying about Thranduil seeming to be sidelined a little in DOS, but when we compare Thranduil's screen time with his book time up to the point where DOS ends, wasn't his role *technically* expanded or at the very least equal to that of the book? I mean, if we think about it for a minute, in the section of the book that DOS covers anyway, Thranduil really only gets three scenes doesn't he? 1. Bombur sees him during his magic river-induced dreams of the elven feast. 2. Thranduil interrogates Thorin, and 3. Thranduil interrogates the other dwarves and locks them all up. After that, IIRC, we don't see him again until after Smaug has been killed do we?

If PJ's treatment had been to do a closer adaptation of the book in terms of tone, theme and storyline, I can agree that Thranduil got about what the prof allotted him in the book (or maybe more in terms of simple scene count) anyway.
But no, PJ went beyond TH the book where Thranduil was concerned - he's calling on inspirations in ME books he can't get reference or cite
.

In TH the book Thranduil is barely sketched out (though the character moments post-Smaug and pre/during-Battle were very tantalising, and as has been said, goes counter to his portrayal in earlier pages.) The movie, though I love it, has gone the length to texture/layer/dimensionise Thranduil and set him up as the opposing king to Thorin's houseless rule with the throneroom scene as the showcase of the invented personal grudges between the two. Yet the movie neglects to give Thranduil at least a bit of background (
the Last Alliance dammit. I've said in one of the earlier appreciation threads but the LA is not untouchable, we've seen it in the FotR prologue for Eru's sake, and it would be a simple quick way to give some of Thranduil's backstory) the general audience can get a handle on (leaving the general audience to paint him as an all round slicker jerk who they know as Legolas' dad only courtesy of Tauriel Crazy), but then goes on to cut into time that could (should imo) be given to give Thranduil a character arc, and give that to Legolas and even Tauriel, for (so far) unnecessary invented side-plots. Which I feel is a great big pity. Of course i may change my tune after the EE and BotFA... Tongue Honestly, i'm looking forward to a ME EE binge once the BotFA EE comes out but let's not get too far ahead.

Bottomline: Yeah, Thranduil is one complicated dude Heart and I hope the EE and BotFA gives him the time he deserves.


Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 2 2014, 6:20am


Views: 6212
     exactly


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Whenever I get brave and just do a general search for Thranduil on any site that contains fan art, I only do it when no one else can see the screen

Shadows in the dark, preciouss Tongue




Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 2 2014, 6:37am


Views: 6210
     The welcome is no less =o)

Glad to see you here, Grey Elf Smile



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I think the reason why LP's forehead furrow works so well on him is because it looks as if his pronounced philtrum ("filtrum?"), that beautifully sculpted groove that graces his upper lip, reappears between his brows.

That's a really interesting comparison & observation. Almost lyrical.



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I think it's interesting that he has features like the furrow and the heavy eyebrows that aren't in themselves traditionally considered marks of beauty, yet on him they are and give him a distinctive look.

Definitely a perfect combination of unconventional beauty Smile And he uses them to great effect. He's so dorky at times in Pushing Daisies, but the same brows utilised to different effect in other roles. (Would paste a few choice pics here but I should get going)




Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 2 2014, 12:16pm


Views: 6207
     An alternative symmetry, and "young Ned"

Nice point. If facial symmetry (usual left matching right) is a sign of beauty, LP's face has an unusual kind of vertical symmetry.

Not to mention he has natural eyelashes to make a girl green with envy.

While we're on looks... LP as a child. There's the image of him as a five year old that's appearing on the press for HACF, to demonstrate how old he was in the year that HACF was set. I can't see older LP in that face... well maybe I can a little. But here I just wanted to make the point that the young actor who plays young Ned in PD is so adorably suitable. That little guy's face has the same features - the eyes, the lashes, the bow-shaped lips. There's a scene in PD where young Ned's face morphes into older Ned's face and it's a perfect seamless blend. Heart



(again, sorry for not posting pics. When it's late and I'm tiredish, I don't have enough patience for all the pic-hosting rigmarole) Unimpressed

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)


Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 2 2014, 1:13pm


Views: 6194
     The spotlight, not the scrutiny

I like that he's most likely such a down-to-earth guy that he feels he has nothing interesting to say about himself. "Little me is very uninteresting", he says, and "Trust me, if had something interesting to say about myself, I would,"
But you see, that in itself is interesting to me, as a fan. His normalness, his disinterest in engaging in celebrity status, while still loving his work - the kind of work that can easily bring about celeb status, if you're good at what you do. Putting yourself in the public eye is always going to fuel curiosity. So taking a hard line on his privacy is admirable and deserves to be respected. Even though I'd love to know more about him. But not if he doesn't want me to. *conflicted*


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(from the article) “I was shocked at how much I saw myself in that character,” Pace says. “I worked on transforming myself so much for that role so I assumed I wouldn’t recognize myself, but I saw so much more of myself in Calpernia than I ever anticipated. So, I’m already revealing more of myself than I’m comfortable with.”


Oh go on, bait us, why don't you Lee! Evil


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I also agree with him that sometimes knowing too much about about an actor's personal life can distract from how believable you find the character because you just have trouble not seeing the actor. It's like with the Hobbit and LOTR movies. I wasn't familiar with the vast majority of the actors when I first saw them so I was able to appreciate the character for the character and not get distracted the actor.


This is a factor that may have "spoilt" LOTR for a number of New Zealanders. I could never ever see Celeborn and Haldir as anyone but Marton Czokas and Craig Parker, who both starred for years together in NZ's long-running hospital soap, Shortland St, along with John "Hama" Leigh (who dated a friend of mine.) Likewise Harry "Isildur" Sinclair. Very familiar from other ventures. But to the majority of the world, these are brand new faces.

LP was a brand new face to me in TH. So it's like Thranduil exists for me as a real person, with LP standing behind that - if that makes sense.

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)

(This post was edited by Kerewyn on Jun 2 2014, 1:20pm)


Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 2 2014, 1:38pm


Views: 6181
     Thanks again for the goodies, Lurker

I've just finished clicking through them all (minus the podcast which I'm saving) and it's been... quite a ride. There've been a few giggles out loud, some head-shaking at the obsessiveness of tumblr-wranglers, and sighs with admiration at stunning fan art - and some nice angles I hadn't seen before. (like that one with a silhouette of Thranduil and Elrond meeting at sunset with their various steeds).

I'll be surprised if I don't dream about LP tonight. I did last night. BlushBlush

Oh alright then... before anyone asks.

I dreamed I was his makeup artist and first day on the job, I was nervous as hell. Then I found I didn't have some special application sponges that I'd need, so I went racing off anxiously to find some. I came back to find my sister had stepped into my shoes and taken over, had LP in the chair and was expertly doing his face while chatting away. I was about as jealous as possible. (er.... does this reveal any deep-seated feelings about my sister? Unsure )

/oversharing

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 2 2014, 6:40pm


Views: 6170
     I dream of LP


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I'll be surprised if I don't dream about LP tonight. I did last night. BlushBlush

Hehe. You're not the only one! I didn't dream about him last night but I've had a couple of dreams with LP in them this past month. Unfortunately they were pretty vague and short and I don't remember much about them other than that he was present. Unsure

I do remember this one Thranduil dream I had awhile back, but it was a little creepy because my brain was mixing LP's movie rolls and, although he looked like Thranduil, he was a vampire and he and the other Twilight vampires were hunting me through this scary, dark mansion and I couldn't get away.Frown I have no idea where the heck that came from since I don't care anything about Twilight, although I'm ashamed to admit I did watch the movies out of curiosity about what the big deal was, but I didn't like them, never watched them again, and that was over a year before I had this dream. I guess I must have been subconsciously stressed about something (maybe I had a big research paper due?) since I've heard that dreams about running from something can mean that you're worried about an unstoppable future event. To say the least, I woke up feeling freaked out and it actually took me awhile to like Thranduil again because I had to work to get vampire Thrandy and elf Thrandy separated in my mind.Crazy

Sometimes, as obsessed as I am with TH and LOTR, I'm surprised that I don't have more ME themed dreams than I do, but it seems like if I'm going to have a really vivid dream that I'll remember when I wake up, it usually has to be stress or excitement induced. That means it'll be about/reflective of the source of stress or excitement, not ME. *sigh*

/oversharing too Someone could probably write a whole psych paper on the two of us.Wink

"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe


Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 3 2014, 7:23am


Views: 6140
     I guess it’s time to confess my secret Tauriel appreciation

My impression from these boards is that Tauriel is not popular – she’s seems to be viewed as an unnecessary, non-canon side character whose friendship with Kili is also unnecessary, whose ‘healing scene’ is soppy dross, whose on-screen story also promotes ‘more Legolas’ and cuts into time that could be better given to fleshing out other characters eg our beloved Elven King.

I agree that it’s disappointing if, as a side-plot, she is going to steal time from other plots. After all, this is a movie, these are PJ’s decisions, and there are obviously timing limitations, so that not everything can be included.

But putting this aside for the moment, and to see her newly created story as an existing arc in its own right… I rather like Tauriel, and seeing how her relationship plays out with the each of those main characters she interacts with. I always had a bit of a girl-crush on Evie Lilly and watched every single episode of Lost, mainly for her (and *cough* Josh Holloway), so I was super keen when I heard she’d been cast, and was excited for the moment when she arrived on screen. (being not yet enThralled at that point.) Being more of a hobbit-fancier previously, she was the first Elf I felt interested in following. Oh wait, apart from Arwen and Galadriel. OK (light bulb moment), looks like I preferred female elves until His Highness.

I guess, again, I am benefitted by not having much book-knowledge. Sure, I read TH but not until 2004, post LOTR. It was not a beloved childhood book for me. Likewise, I’m only learning from these boards in the last 5 or so months just who Thranduil is, what background he has that could have been alluded to, and consequently, how he may have been ‘robbed’. But too late – by the time this is soaking in, I am already sold on Tauriel and wouldn’t wish her away for anything. Consequently, though I am not a Legolas fan per se, I want to see how his story with Tauriel plays out. Coz it’s a thwarted love story, and the romantic in me likes those.

I find myself feeling quite interested in Tauriel’s experience, and it opens up questions, possibly that I might think about fanfic’ing.
How does she fit in with other Mirkwood female elves? Does she have any girl buddies she hangs with? Is she nervous when she approaches Thranduil in his chambers, or is reporting to him a regular thing? Did she play with Legolas in childhood, or look up to him as a brotherly type? Are her parents still alive? What do Bard’s daughters think of her – will she inspire them? Does she have any pretty floaty robes for evening wear, or does she prefer practical hunting garb? What of her own feelings for Legolas? And how would Thranduil react if she and Legolas eloped? (if indeed elves do stuff that rash)

Thinking of her scene with Thranduil… when I first saw the trailer, I had a different interpretation. As you know, part of Thranduil’s vocal was edited out, and what we got was. “Legolas has grown very fond of you. Don’t give him hope where there is none.” From this, I concluded that “there is none” meant that she was possibly stringing Leggy along, and didn’t return his feelings.. And that the look on her face was because she realised she’d been ‘sprung’. Legolas’s dad could read how she really felt.
And so I approached DoS with this potential storyline of unrequited love for poor Leggy at the back of my mind. Was pleasantly surprised to learn otherwise, because it now becomes the thwarted love story, a ‘forbidden union’ class-thing.

Anyway. Those are my probably-unshared-by-anyone thoughts. Evil

Maybe this should have its own thread out on the boards, but I just like chatting to y’all Thralls, in context of our little corner of TORn. Angelic Have there been any Tauriel appreciation that I’ve missed? Or is the prejudice such that there simply haven’t been any?


'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 3 2014, 7:38am


Views: 6191
     Pics... for analysis of course (click on them to go to the source)






Lashes, and cheekbones Heart



Some smoulder and furrow



Young Ned (vs the Pie-maker, most approximately similar look I could find)

For comparison, the kid LP pic is here. For more fun, there is a OB + LP kid pic compare here. (Both are from the Woodlands Weekend links)


Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 3 2014, 7:48am


Views: 6098
     Truly


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His normalness, his disinterest in engaging in celebrity status, while still loving his work - the kind of work that can easily bring about celeb status, if you're good at what you do. Putting yourself in the public eye is always going to fuel curiosity. So taking a hard line on his privacy is admirable and deserves to be respected. Even though I'd love to know more about him. But not if he doesn't want me to. *conflicted*

And of course, you can't unknow someone once you've seen him in a movie or whatever but to me, while I am also conflicted in not knowing TongueCrazy, I do appreciate that unknowing when I am watching a show. I do prefer not having stuff like the latest gossip bit about a particular actor popping up at an inopportunate time and taking me out of the story as I watch a show with said actor in it.



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This is a factor that may have "spoilt" LOTR for a number of New Zealanders. I could never ever see Celeborn and Haldir as anyone but Marton Czokas and Craig Parker, who both starred for years together in NZ's long-running hospital soap, Shortland St, along with John "Hama" Leigh (who dated a friend of mine.) Likewise Harry "Isildur" Sinclair. Very familiar from other ventures. But to the majority of the world, these are brand new faces.

I suppose no matter how private a person is, depending on the work they do, there'll be situations like this. Smile I guess I'm lucky then, in not living in places like LA or Wellington. Otherwise though, why am I not living there?! UnsureTongue



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LP was a brand new face to me in TH. So it's like Thranduil exists for me as a real person, with LP standing behind that - if that makes sense.

Perfectly! I have the same feeling.


Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 3 2014, 7:53am


Views: 6118
     You are most welcome!


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I've just finished clicking through them all (minus the podcast which I'm saving) and it's been... quite a ride. There've been a few giggles out loud, some head-shaking at the obsessiveness of tumblr-wranglers, and sighs with admiration at stunning fan art - and some nice angles I hadn't seen before. (like that one with a silhouette of Thranduil and Elrond meeting at sunset with their various steeds).

There is some pretty good stuff out there. Plus it's fun to share, especially the laughs... and the thuds Smile (Did you like the one featuring the Red Bandit's arms? Heart)

LOL and envy at your dream - I can never remember dreams of favourite things, unless they're in very bizarre weird-the-hell out of me scenario which wake me or near waking time anyway. But nope, no memory of Thranduil so far. Is there a resident Freud who can help with interpreting the sibling feels?



Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


(This post was edited by Lurker in the Mirk on Jun 3 2014, 7:54am)


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 3 2014, 7:56am


Views: 6138
     LOL Eruvandi...

hope you get the paper over and done with soon, and get back with the programme here Smile


Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 3 2014, 8:47am


Views: 6118
     I would like her, in a different story =o)

or in a different situation. As in, I think you're right about her acceptance being influenced by pre-conceived notions/ideas/knowledge. I did mention to vanima, who is more receptive towards Tauriel in TH like you, in one of the earlier threads that I don't dislike Tauriel as a character but the decisions that put her in the movie and the situations she gets to work through.

As I read your post, I was also thinking about my viewpoint, since your experience with the movies and the books are similar to mine , and I read and write fan-fic too, or I used to. So I am no purist; I'm hardly a well-educated Tolkienate, esepcially since I am also lapsed in my ME reading and movie watching Unsure I think I have the answer now: I am rather vested in my interest in ME (and yes, I confess, Thranduil Blush) due to my interest/reading/research/ficcing. Some of the research was in fact due to the complaints I had read about LotR... I don't know why I felt the need, but back then, I had this need to understand why Xenarwen was a problem and who was the popular Elf that didn't make the movie. For sure, I am no authority on ME, movie-making, or story-telling, but with what I learnt I have formed my opinions about the possibilities and potential of a TH adaptation that doesn't need an invented character like Tauriel doing the things Tauriel does (and some of it is rather trite or over-contrived... you probably know the bits I'm referring to already).

Of course, armchair criticising has the advantage of comfort and self-justifiable logic, never mind blindspots and objectivity (though I try very hard not to slide all the way into subjectivity though stuff like this is funny and I admit I sniggered). So! Though I am not the happiest with the way things are going, I don't "HATE" Tauriel, just wish PJ and team didn't feel the need to make the decisions they did to put her front and centre. Ultimately, I do enjoy the movie and every book-canon nod and Thranduil bit we get. I do think I can live with it (i suppose, I hope BotFA and the DOS EE doesn't disappoint), as in I do plan to do my LotR and TH EE marathon once all six are out, and it'd be terribly helpful that I won't be like some of the diehards I see around here tearing down everything PJ's done, determined to be unhappy until the end of days or a remake happens... which no doubt will send them into another cycle. Tongue To me, the world won't end... at worst, I'll just write a fic to address the problems if they gnaw that badly at my brain, when I can find the time (or inspiration). Eh... I'm rambling, time to cut it short before I go OT.



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Maybe this should have its own thread out on the boards, but I just like chatting to y’all Thralls, in context of our little corner of TORn. Angelic Have there been any Tauriel appreciation that I’ve missed? Or is the prejudice such that there simply haven’t been any?

heh... to me, Thranduil's thread should allow discussion of his subjects too, after all we've got Legolas and Thranduil's movie avatar and his various guises too.


(I'm not purposely diminishing her I swear. Can't put up a working pic link with the bigger thumbnail. In recompense, you can go to a writeup on her by clicking on the pic)

I may be wrong, but I think Eruvandi might be a fan as well. And when I was going through the whole forum before I *cough*showed myself*cough*, I did come across some appreciation for Tauriel. Smile But you might find more viewpoints and voices if you started a thread. I did a nameless elves appreciation one a few days back - not that it was a real success in engaging conversation though there were views... I guess folks are a bit shy about display of Elven appreciation in general? (Slight OT: You might like this for laughs)


PS I HeartJosh Holloway and Matthew Fox (did you watch his TV series Haunted?)... just that LOST lost me before the end of season 1 Tongue


Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


(This post was edited by Lurker in the Mirk on Jun 3 2014, 8:55am)


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 3 2014, 9:27am


Views: 6157
     Question: Thranduil's personal space/room

Did that get your attention? Smile

Cool! I've been thinking about this a bit... eh, not in THAT sense. I'm referring to the Thranduil and Tauriel scene (ref youtube here if you need a refresher).

Bilbo is able to stealth his way into Thranduil's sleeping space (there's no walls or doors and I don't know what else to call it) down some stairs, and while Thranduil was giving Tauriel his spiel about fortunes and isolationism, he disappears down some other stairs on the other side of the bed we see in the scene.



So it seems access to the Elvenking is pretty easy (there were no guards at the top of the stairs since Thranduil seemed to expect Tauriel to come out of her shadow-lingering, and not someone else to address the situation). Looks like Thranduil has an open door policy literally or someone thought the design was a funny joke.

Would be cool to have a look at the halls' schematics and layout eh?

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OT: If Bilbo loitered around, this might have happened. Tongue


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Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


elf-lady
Rivendell

Jun 3 2014, 3:04pm


Views: 6108
     Tauriel

I don't mind Tauriel as a character. Indeed, I think it's very cool to have such a strong, capable female elf and a warrior to boot. But in general I dislike heavy handed introductions accompanied by music that so obviously declares "LOOK! This is the new HEROINE!" when she and Legolas arrive to kill the spiders and coincidentally save the dwarves. Don't get me wrong, the new Tauriel theme is gorgeous. It's just that for me, the introduction wasn't very subtle and she feels a bit shoe horned into the story. Again, this is just my opinion. I don't hate her and I think Evangeline Lilly did a great job with her. I just don't like Tauriel's relative importance over others.

I understand that Tauriel was (among other things) introduced to open Legolas' eyes as to the plight of other peoples with a emotional arc that links his Hobbit-era self to the version we see in when he arrives in Rivendell who is disdainful of dwarves. But doing it that way diminishes Legolas I think. Could Legolas not have opened his own eyes after seeing first hand the death and destruction in Laketown after Smaug attacks? Or what about having more of a father and son disagreement/conflict over whether or not elves should become more involved? Think of the character development! We could have had such a wonderful series of interactions between them leading up to Legolas seeing Thranduil overcome his own disregard for others and honoring the fallen Thorin by placing Orcrist on Thorin's tomb.

Other random thoughts (for whatever they're worth):
  • I don't like romances in genre films
  • If a genre film is based on a story (or appendices) that contains a canon romance (like Aragorn and Arwen), fine but for Eru's sake, don't introduce one where none exists *cough*
  • I love character development...but not with a non-canon character at the expense of other characters, especially the main characters *I miss Bilbo*



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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 3 2014, 5:36pm


Views: 6075
     *flying tackle hug*

FINALLY, someone else openly appreciates Tauriel! I don't have her as my avatar for no reason.Wink

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My impression from these boards is that Tauriel is not popular – she’s seems to be viewed as an unnecessary, non-canon side character whose friendship with Kili is also unnecessary, whose ‘healing scene’ is soppy dross, whose on-screen story also promotes ‘more Legolas’ and cuts into time that could be better given to fleshing out other characters eg our beloved Elven King


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Have there been any Tauriel appreciation that I’ve missed? Or is the prejudice such that there simply haven’t been any?

Well, she may not be as popular as some characters, but she's not unpopular either. Controversial might be the best term. I see it more elsewhere than here on the boards, but there are many people who love Tauriel and appreciate what she adds to the story. I don't know if you've seen any of EL's Twitter or Facebook "Tauriel Q&A sessions", but I've checked them out when she's done them and she always seems to get inundated by positive feedback from both EL fans and Tauriel fans alike.

From what I've seen, the response to Tauriel here on the boards is extremely mixed. Yes, there is plenty of prejudice, but there is some positive as well. I've also seen a good number of people that have said they will stay neutral on her until after Bofa. Honestly, I think the main reason for the lack of outright appreciation, may be because of how vocal the people are that don't like her and those who do appreciate her may, like you, think they are the only ones so they keep it to themselves.

I've actually thought about starting a Tauriel appreciation thread, but I've been a little afraid to because of the passionate response that some people have to her. I guess I just don't want it turning into one of those "monster" threads that ultimately gets locked by the mods because everyone's arguing and some people start getting too personal about it. Maybe, just maybe, if I was to start a Tauriel appreciation thread, I could simply say that while I respect everyone's opinions, I would like to keep this one thread positive or at least neutral in nature and see what happens.Evil


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I find myself feeling quite interested in Tauriel’s experience, and it opens up questions, possibly that I might think about fanfic’ing.
How does she fit in with other Mirkwood female elves? Does she have any girl buddies she hangs with? Is she nervous when she approaches Thranduil in his chambers, or is reporting to him a regular thing? Did she play with Legolas in childhood, or look up to him as a brotherly type? Are her parents still alive? What do Bard’s daughters think of her – will she inspire them? Does she have any pretty floaty robes for evening wear, or does she prefer practical hunting garb? What of her own feelings for Legolas? And how would Thranduil react if she and Legolas eloped? (if indeed elves do stuff that rash)

Thinking of her scene with Thranduil… when I first saw the trailer, I had a different interpretation. As you know, part of Thranduil’s vocal was edited out, and what we got was. “Legolas has grown very fond of you. Don’t give him hope where there is none.” From this, I concluded that “there is none” meant that she was possibly stringing Leggy along, and didn’t return his feelings.. And that the look on her face was because she realised she’d been ‘sprung’. Legolas’s dad could read how she really felt.
And so I approached DoS with this potential storyline of unrequited love for poor Leggy at the back of my mind. Was pleasantly surprised to learn otherwise, because it now becomes the thwarted love story, a ‘forbidden union’ class-thing.

I totally agree with all of this and have asked some of the same questions. Starting with the girl buddies: It's interesting how in both Tolkien's books and the movies, you never see the major female characters really interacting with other women. Ever. It's like there's one major female per location and all the other characters (the ones who get lines anyway) that they directly interact with are male. Tauriel being in the same room as Tilda and Sigrid is the closest we've ever come to such interaction, and, while they certainly don't have to sit down and have a conversation, I think it might be nice if they exchanged a word or two in the next movie. Or at least acknowledge each others' existence. A look...a nod...something! I don't think that's asking too much, is it?

Was Tauriel nervous approaching Thranduil?
: Yes, I think she was. Otherwise why would she have lingered in the shadows? However, I don't think she was nervous because she wasn't used to reporting to him. She was nervous because of what she was reporting. First of all, Thranduil had already ordered the spiders destroyed once before and I think Tauriel was afraid that spiders coming back and having to be destroyed again would make it look like she hadn't followed orders the first time. Also, by this time she knows full well that Thranduil is isolationist and doesn't want his people running around all willy-nilly outside of his realm, but she had decided to take a chance and propose that he send people to the source of the spiders to kill them there, and hoped that he might change his mind if she made the argument about the spiders spreading to other lands. IMO, this scene worked well in showing the naivete of her youth, as she was clearly disappointed, if not a little stunned when he replied "Other lands are not my concern."

How Leggy and Tauriel felt about each other growing up
: Every single time EL or OB talk about the relationship between Legolas and Tauriel up to this point they both use the terms brother or sister so I'll take their word for it and agree.

Tauriel's feelings for Legolas: Of course, I can't say anything for sure, but I got the impression that she likes him and might want to love him (or at least have permission from dad to love him, if that's how things turn out), but isn't sure how she feels right now. She was clearly flattered that Legolas had mentioned how well she was fighting, and I think she admires him a lot, but I just haven't been getting that "Oh my gosh I'm totally in love with you!" vibe from either of them. I feel like, in that scene, Thranduil was being an over-protective father when there was really no need to be.

How would Thranduil react if they eloped?:
Oh, I don't know...probably something like this:

Wink

"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 3 2014, 5:55pm


Views: 6090
     OB + LP kid pics

Not that he wasn't a cute kid, but seems like LP was one of those people who grew into his looks over time. Seeing how he looked then and how he looks now, on one hand I can sort of see the resemblance: he has the same nose, same ears, but other than that I never would have guessed that that was him if no one had told me. On the other hand OB as a kid, still looked like himself. Like, I can look at his pic and say, "Oh yeah, that's definitely Orlando Bloom", but with LP, the first time I saw it I said, "Really? That was him?" He really changed a lot!Smile Interesting how that happens with some people.

"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 3 2014, 6:02pm


Views: 6082
     Thanks, but that dream was from a few months ago.

The paper is long ago over and done. Now the only thing stressing me out and holding back my Thranduil thralldom is all the algebra exercises I have to do every day, but thankfully I haven't had any bad dreams because of it...yet. Crazy

(Psst...this post is actually me procrastinating a little on today's algebra. Don't tell my professor!Wink)

"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 4 2014, 10:58am


Views: 6033
     Elf-lady i want to make your post my sig

You say it so well! Not agreeing with Tauriel in the story doesn't necessarily mean disliking or hating her per se.



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I understand that Tauriel was (among other things) introduced to open Legolas' eyes as to the plight of other peoples with a emotional arc that links his Hobbit-era self to the version we see in when he arrives in Rivendell who is disdainful of dwarves. But doing it that way diminishes Legolas I think. Could Legolas not have opened his own eyes after seeing first hand the death and destruction in Laketown after Smaug attacks? Or what about having more of a father and son disagreement/conflict over whether or not elves should become more involved? Think of the character development! We could have had such a wonderful series of interactions between them leading up to Legolas seeing Thranduil overcome his own disregard for others and honoring the fallen Thorin by placing Orcrist on Thorin's tomb.



Legolas: Can you believe it? She got it all right, she got us. Right, Dad?
Thranduil: Oh yeah!


Yup. I think it safe to say the male Elves in question agree with you.Smile


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Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 4 2014, 11:22am


Views: 6054
     Tauriel and Legolas


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Was Tauriel nervous approaching Thranduil?: Yes, I think she was. Otherwise why would she have lingered in the shadows? However, I don't think she was nervous because she wasn't used to reporting to him. She was nervous because of what she was reporting. First of all, Thranduil had already ordered the spiders destroyed once before and I think Tauriel was afraid that spiders coming back and having to be destroyed again would make it look like she hadn't followed orders the first time. Also, by this time she knows full well that Thranduil is isolationist and doesn't want his people running around all willy-nilly outside of his realm, but she had decided to take a chance and propose that he send people to the source of the spiders to kill them there, and hoped that he might change his mind if she made the argument about the spiders spreading to other lands. IMO, this scene worked well in showing the naivete of her youth, as she was clearly disappointed, if not a little stunned when he replied "Other lands are not my concern."

Good point and nice analysis.

I also find Thranduil's tone and expression when he said "I know you're there. Why do you linger in the shadows?" rather benign and maybe even paternal. Seems like he was quite the doting guardian to Tauriel, as Legolas later stated when he caught up with her. My only complaint is, why didn't PJ have Thranduil show this fatherliness to Legolas, child of his loins?



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How Leggy and Tauriel felt about each other growing up: Every single time EL or OB talk about the relationship between Legolas and Tauriel up to this point they both use the terms brother or sister so I'll take their word for it and agree.

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Tauriel's feelings for Legolas: Of course, I can't say anything for sure, but I got the impression that she likes him and might want to love him (or at least have permission from dad to love him, if that's how things turn out), but isn't sure how she feels right now. She was clearly flattered that Legolas had mentioned how well she was fighting, and I think she admires him a lot, but I just haven't been getting that "Oh my gosh I'm totally in love with you!" vibe from either of them. I feel like, in that scene, Thranduil was being an over-protective father when there was really no need to be.

Maybe it's just me, but the way the scene played gave conflicting messages about the Legolas/Tauriel relationship. On the whole, I get the same vibe you get, as in they're clearly not THAT into each other, but there seems to be interest, prima facie. If you say it's sibling affection, it seems to go a bit beyond that... maybe it's growing up that changed things and spawned the weird vibe? Crazy

Moving on. In the scene, the sense of ambivalence seems amplified. It seemed Tauriel was thrilled at the hint of shared approval when Thranduil said Legolas praised her fighting, as if he also approved. This could either play out as a daughter/sister happy to be acknowledged for her skillz, or as a lover glad to receive parental approval from the boy's side. She then seemed tentatively hopeful when she voiced her impression of his disapproval of Legolas' purported romantic interest in someone lower in birth. When Thranduil affirmed his disapproval, and basically told her no way in hell so hands off, she seemed crestfallen for the rejection, rather than the discriminatory nature of his words (which shouldn't be in the first place if she wasn't feeling requitive to Legolas' interest). And in any case, I don't think Thranduil, with his experience and refined Elven senses, would read the situation that far wrong. It'd be like saying Spider-man can't trust his tingling spidey senses. Tongue



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How would Thranduil react if they eloped?: Oh, I don't know...probably something like this:

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LOL Then there'll be hell to pay. I hope it wasn't Galion or his drinking buddy Elros who was on duty when it happened. Given their track record, the interrogation wouldn't be pretty.




(I hope all that made sense... and its nice that you've got a like-minded conversation partner on this sensitive topic now Smile)


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 4 2014, 1:07pm


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     Interesting, isn't it?

Absolutely agree with you. It also seems like OB's looks were a bit more grown in... I don't know how to put it in the right way, but it looks like he may be a bit older when his pic was taken compared to LP?


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 4 2014, 1:08pm


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     LOL

Then I hope your algebra gets its act together before they put you off alphabet soup permanently Smile


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Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 4 2014, 10:05pm


Views: 5999
     On Tauriel

What great responses on this – thank you Thralls. And I can relate to and respect everyone’s viewpoint.

By the way, I want to make it clear – when I said she seemed to be unpopular, I was not referring to anything particular that I’d read here in the TAThread. I’d been going through a thread somewhere on TORn – I can’t recall which one – but I was surprised by the level of users who seemed to hate the movies so much. There’ve been some seriously vitriolic statements. People are passionate about Tolkien, I know that. But as you say, Eurvandi, about reluctance to start a thread on it… it may invite the kind of feedback I don’t want to deal with, if my aim is to have a positive discussion. Controversial is a good word to use for her.

I was thinking how, if Tauriel is a PJ/PB/FW creation, she is in a way their fanfiction. But now that they’ve created her, yes I am frustrated by the limitations of screenplay. She exists now! I want to see it all – all of Thranduil’s story, all of Tauriel’s story, yes even all of Legolas’s story… the intervening years before he shows up at the Council of Elrond, the subtle shift in his character. Is his appearance there entirely his own will, or a relaxation of his father’s isolationism – has he been sent? ( But I digress.)

I am also wondering if my developed interest in her and Legolas’s story is, at a subconscious level, a defensive measure – so that if there is not as much about Thranduil in BotFA to satisfy, then at least there could be that to keep me happy. I hope I will not feel disappointed. I guess I have a lot invested in wanting to really like what’s to come, because for me, PJ is ‘da man’ and I really want to trust his vision and get the most that I can out of it. He took two books I’d never read, and made them central to my inner life (with all due respect to the great creator of the source material). And there’s my Kiwi pride too, and my serious interest in all that goes on behind the scenes.

Y’know, when people whinge about the fact there are three films where there really needed only be two, I’m like “the more time I spend in this world, the better!” I personally can’t understand why you’d want less screen time. Because sometimes, when in a certain mood, I don’t see them as movies existing in this world with its critics and timeframes and box office takings, but windows into ME. Heck, gimme four films, gimme five. Gimme a TV serial that follows the Elven back story to the end of time.

Ha ha - this was a bit of a stream of consciousness! I guess the main aim of my previous post was to stick up for Tauriel and probe into how other Thralls truly feel about her.

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elf-lady
Rivendell

Jun 5 2014, 1:37pm


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     Legolas was sent to Rivendell...


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...yes even all of Legolas’s story… the intervening years before he shows up at the Council of Elrond, the subtle shift in his character. Is his appearance there entirely his own will, or a relaxation of his father’s isolationism – has he been sent? .

As far as this goes in the books, yes. Legolas was sent to Rivendell by Thranduil to report that Gollum had escaped from their prison (Gollum being brought there by Aragorn). But in PJ's movie verse, since everyone was "summoned" by Elrond to "answer the threat of Mordor", I'd imagine that Thranduil did send his son and that equally, Legolas wanted to be sent. I'll bet Thranduil was quite surprised and concerned at the outcome of the Council of Elrond.

"But there was in Thranduil's heart a still deeper shadow. He had seen the horror of Mordor and could not forget it." Imagine his anxiety now that Legolas was a member of the Fellowship!


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 5 2014, 2:18pm


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     Anthropologic venture then?

Seems like a study you're doing, Kerewyn Smile


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Y’know, when people whinge about the fact there are three films where there really needed only be two, I’m like “the more time I spend in this world, the better!” I personally can’t understand why you’d want less screen time. Because sometimes, when in a certain mood, I don’t see them as movies existing in this world with its critics and timeframes and box office takings, but windows into ME. Heck, gimme four films, gimme five. Gimme a TV serial that follows the Elven back story to the end of time.

Truly. I can't speak for opposers of the films, but it just seems to me that despite all the charges levelled at PJ re the decisions that are unpopular among the book-faithful, if they did see the films with at least some objectivity, they'd find themselves
looking through, as you say, windows into ME.

The Elven backstory: Yah, sign me up for this! The sad thing is, this would have to involve the Silmarillion (which I've read) and probably some Children of Hurin + bits of History of Middle Earth (neither of which I've got), and it seems like the Tolkien estate is not likely to grant the rights to those.



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yes even all of Legolas’s story… the intervening years before he shows up at the Council of Elrond, the subtle shift in his character. Is his appearance there entirely his own will, or a relaxation of his father’s isolationism – has he been sent?

Just have to poke my nerdy nose into this. [Book spoiler start]Re the book, everybody who was not a Rivendell resident basically showed at the right time for the Council of Elrond. Legolas was sent by Thranduil to report Gollum's escape, but of course he did not go home thereafter. In fact, he was probably personally involved in Gollum's sentry duty. The interesting thing is, how much did Thranduil know about or guessed about Gollum prior since Gandalf actually asked the Woodland Elves to track Gollum post0BoFA (which they did until he slunk beyond the Mirkwood borders), and again when Gandalf picked up the hunt for Gollum again about 60 years later with Aragorn (who, imo, surely have done some sleuthing around Mirkwood in his mission), and how it played into Thranduil's arrangements to have his own son do Gollum sentry duty when Gandalf asked him to keep Gollum prisoner, and ultimately send Legolas to Rivendell to report Gollum's escape. Thranduil's experience in the Last Alliance surely informs his decisions, plus he obviously shared Oropher's philisophy - Oropher wanted nothing to do with Lothlorien or Dwarves as far as possible, and yet he joined the Elven armies in the Last Alliance because he recognised the need and his responsibility to stand up against Sauron. Thranduil surely thinks the same way with his policies. Otherwise he could very well shrug his shoulders and do nothing at every opportunity regarding Gollum and his inevitable escape
[Book spoiler end]



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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 5 2014, 2:28pm


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     ooh


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I'll bet Thranduil was quite surprised and concerned at the outcome of the Council of Elrond.

Who do you think brought the report back to Mirkwood since Legolas enlisted directly into the fellowship? I'd imagine the messenger didn't relish having to tell Thranduil about Legolas going off with the rag-tag bunch. Surely he would be grimness itself


"But there was in Thranduil's heart a still deeper shadow. He had seen the horror of Mordor and could not forget it."




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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 5 2014, 2:59pm


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     Fanart: Thranduil, Bard and Bilbo

I love this: Hobbit - chapter 16


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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 5 2014, 3:03pm


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     Lol. We seem to have the same stream of consciousness!


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I was thinking how, if Tauriel is a PJ/PB/FW creation, she is in a way their fanfiction. But now that they’ve created her, yes I am frustrated by the limitations of screenplay. She exists now! I want to see it all – all of Thranduil’s story, all of Tauriel’s story, yes even all of Legolas’s story… the intervening years before he shows up at the Council of Elrond, the subtle shift in his character. Is his appearance there entirely his own will, or a relaxation of his father’s isolationism – has he been sent? ( But I digress.)

I am also wondering if my developed interest in her and Legolas’s story is, at a subconscious level, a defensive measure – so that if there is not as much about Thranduil in BotFA to satisfy, then at least there could be that to keep me happy. I hope I will not feel disappointed. I guess I have a lot invested in wanting to really like what’s to come, because for me, PJ is ‘da man’ and I really want to trust his vision and get the most that I can out of it. He took two books I’d never read, and made them central to my inner life (with all due respect to the great creator of the source material). And there’s my Kiwi pride too, and my serious interest in all that goes on behind the scenes.

Y’know, when people whinge about the fact there are three films where there really needed only be two, I’m like “the more time I spend in this world, the better!” I personally can’t understand why you’d want less screen time. Because sometimes, when in a certain mood, I don’t see them as movies existing in this world with its critics and timeframes and box office takings, but windows into ME. Heck, gimme four films, gimme five. Gimme a TV serial that follows the Elven back story to the end of time.

This is almost exactly how I feel, except for the "defensive measure" part. I totally understand why you feel that way, but in my case, I'm pretty "chillaxed" about the whole thing and plan to just enjoy BotFA for what it is. Pretty much the only unforgivable offense for me would be for them to take Thranduil out of the movie entirely, but with the way everyone, even the people on the movie set have been fawning over him, that's totally not going to happen.Smile

Re PJ being "da man": I feel that way too. I had heard about the LOTR and the Hobbit books for years but was never interested because I thought they were weird. I think I may have tried to read FOTR for a school book report in elementary school, but I found it really confusing because it was long and strange and I couldn't figure out what was happening and by the time I got to Tom Bombadil I just said, "Forget this! It's too weird!" and put it down thinking I'd never pick it up again. Then last year, I got a surprise birthday gift of the Lego LOTR video game which is based on the movies and was disappointed because I had no interest in LOTR. Still, I played it anyway since the Lego games are always fun and somehow it actually made me understand the story for the first time and I fell head over heels in love. If it weren't for the game I wouldn't have watched the movies. If not for the movies I wouldn't have read the books. Now I find myself a dedicated member of the TORn community, and am preparing to read the Silmarillion.

The movies opened the door to Tolkien's world for me and I wouldn't change them for anything, much less say that there should be fewer of them. I'd even watch the TV serial on the elven back story!

"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 5 2014, 4:36pm


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     Would be nice if his reaction had been shown

Of course, by the time of LOTR Thranduil had become a background character, but if would have been nice, at least for us Thralls, if Tolkien had expounded a bit on his reaction to his son becoming a part of the Fellowship. When thinking about this I have to wonder how much his views on interacting with the outside world had changed by that time. Clearly he had become somewhat more lenient since the days of TH since he was willing to help Gandalf and Aragorn and hold onto Gollum, as well as send his son to Rivendell, but I still have to wonder what his reaction to Legolas volunteering to go into such great danger would have been. Was he upset? Shocked? Scared? Proud? Maybe a combination of all of them? This is (as far as we know) his only son after all.

I can't find the exact passage right now, but IIRC, in ROTK, when the Dunedain showed up out of the blue to support Aragorn, Gimli asked Legolas why they hadn't wished for their kindred to come help them, and Legolas looks off into the distance and says something along the lines of, (This is totally from memory here, after only having read ROTK once. Hope I'm not butchering it.) "I doubt that they would have come. They have no need to march to war when war has already come to their own lands." This, again, leads me to wonder how Thranduil felt about Legolas joining the Fellowship. Did he understand how integral his son's role was to the greater good or is it possible that he was upset because Legolas hadn't come back home "where he was needed"?

Slightly OT: That passage is one of the reasons why, no matter what anyone says, Tauriel would have had no reason to become part of the Fellowship herself, even with the way that she feels about everyone being part of the world. The reason she left Mirkwood in DOS was because Thranduil was doing nothing to stop the encroaching evil, even to the point of allowing orcs to cross their boarders and kill their prisoners. However, if, as is indicated by Legolas in LOTR, the elves of Mirkwood are indeed already taking part in the war, then it should be more than enough reason for her to stay in Mirkwood and fight in defense of her own people which, since that would still be taking action against the darkness. Hey, maybe she was messenger who had to report to Thranduil about Legolas joining the Fellowship!

"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 5 2014, 4:57pm


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     Nice

It's not too dissimilar to how I picture that scene. I picture the characters a bit differently, of course, but the general set up, with Bard and Thranduil standing there, looking at Bilbo incredulously with the fire in between them, and Bilbo holding the Arkenstone (I pictured it as a globe too) and looking a little nervous, is exactly how it is in my head. I like her other pieces too, especially the one with Bilbo getting his spoons back from Lobelia!Laugh

(Gosh, I need to stop procrastinating. *slaps hand for procrastination and forces self to log off and go work on algebra*Unimpressed)

"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe


Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 5 2014, 9:56pm


Views: 5062
     Thranduil's living room, and concepts of time

In Grammaboodawg’s Geeky Observation List, it mentions there appears to be a bed in the background of this scene. Since I’d read that, I’d been thinking of this is as Thranduil’s space adjoining a bedroom. Now the DVD is out and we can review more closely, it appears to be more of a red divan than a bed. I imagine he would have a much grander bed, probably with an ornately carved bedhead – like that chair there, or perhaps with antlers. And it is probably a little more private – unless I am thrusting human values onto elven lifestyle.

Because yes this personal living room area does seem to be quite open, and not just for Tauriel to enter without passing through security - unless they were stationed at the top of the stairs, which she was lingering on. Behind Thranduil at one stage, you can see small bridges leading off into the distance, so one side of his chamber at least is very open. These aren’t rooms, as such, but more like platforms defined by carved pillars and trees and probably visually accessible to all on several sides. (such is the stunning design of his halls!)

I’d think that Thranduil is loved and respected enough by his subjects that he need have no concerns at all, and once one has passed the highly rigorous and dangerous armed guards at the entrance, it is a safe haven within.

Watching that video clip closely, I made a few other geeky observations:

Thranduil has two wine glasses on his table. I wonder who he has been entertaining, or expecting to entertain… or perhaps there is simply an extra glass in case of any visitors.

When he says “….we will endure”, his eyes do a little flicker to the side, as though he has heard or sensed Bilbo slipping away down the side stairs.

This line: “I thought I ordered that nest to be destroyed not two minutes past.” Two minutes past – is this an Elven expression meaning ‘very recently’, or a more specific concept of Elven time? We know that 100 years is but a blink in the life of an Elf – which is a little exaggerated, but could two “Elven minutes” refer to a certain number of hours/days ago? Hmmm.. anyone have any background on this?


Ooh, what a great piece of fan art! I have often thought that if I could draw, I'd like to depict Thranduil in the 'jacuzzi'.
I love the vlog bit (number 12 IIRC) when LP and EL are kidding around on this scene Laugh

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Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 5 2014, 10:28pm


Views: 5039
     The Sil


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Re PJ being "da man": I feel that way too. I had heard about the LOTR and the Hobbit books for years but was never interested because I thought they were weird. I think I may have tried to read FOTR for a school book report in elementary school, but I found it really confusing because it was long and strange and I couldn't figure out what was happening and by the time I got to Tom Bombadil I just said, "Forget this! It's too weird!" and put it down thinking I'd never pick it up again. Then last year, I got a surprise birthday gift of the Lego LOTR video game which is based on the movies and was disappointed because I had no interest in LOTR. Still, I played it anyway since the Lego games are always fun and somehow it actually made me understand the story for the first time and I fell head over heels in love. If it weren't for the game I wouldn't have watched the movies. If not for the movies I wouldn't have read the books. Now I find myself a dedicated member of the TORn community, and am preparing to read the Silmarillion.


Wow, so you really are quite a recent convert! I thought I was a Tolkien newbie, but my epiphany occured with the release of ROTK. I had enjoyed FOTR and TTT, but it was once I saw the entire story that I was sold, and could think of nothing else but immediately immersing myself in ME. (it coincided with a relationship breakup Unimpressed and helped me immensely to get through that.)

Back then, I read half the Silmarillion - the more difficult half I've heard, and am trying to think why I didn't persist to the end. I think I just found it hard going, and with Tolkien's style in the Sil, you really have to persist and be very interested to remain engaged, especially with all the names to remember. (I now have a useful family tree chart for reference, thanks to someone on TORn. This is probably available somewhere on line for sure?) I am ready to take it on again though, because of my newfound interest in Elven culture. But I know I'll have to go back to the start - it's not really something you can pick up half way through, eight years later. Gotta study and keep on top of all those lineages!

Anyway, would love to hear how you are going.
We could even start a Reading Room thread for those starting from the very beginning... if we have time for extra stuff in our busy lives! (Actually, that would be very motivating for me....)

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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 6 2014, 1:39am


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     This.


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The movies opened the door to Tolkien's world for me and I wouldn't change them for anything, much less say that there should be fewer of them. I'd even watch the TV serial on the elven back story!

Despite all my gripes, anything that adds to the live-action ME world, if they be the quality of what we've gotten from PJ (casting, acting, details... heck even the improvisions and diversions they did, warts and all), bring it!
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Pretty much the only unforgivable offense for me would be for them to take Thranduil out of the movie entirely, but with the way everyone, even the people on the movie set have been fawning over him, that's totally not going to happen.Smile

LOL! But yeah, if this happens MadCrazy I retract the above. At least until the PO metre normalises.




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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 6 2014, 3:02am


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     Yeah. And if Tolkien had given us more of Thranduil's backstory

there'd be less of the dismissive attitude some purists seem to bear have about him.


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I can't find the exact passage right now, but IIRC, in ROTK, when the Dunedain showed up out of the blue to support Aragorn, Gimli asked Legolas why they hadn't wished for their kindred to come help them, and Legolas looks off into the distance and says something along the lines of, (This is totally from memory here, after only having read ROTK once. Hope I'm not butchering it.) "I doubt that they would have come. They have no need to march to war when war has already come to their own lands." This, again, leads me to wonder how Thranduil felt about Legolas joining the Fellowship. Did he understand how integral his son's role was to the greater good or is it possible that he was upset because Legolas hadn't come back home "where he was needed"?

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Slightly OT: That passage is one of the reasons why, no matter what anyone says, Tauriel would have had no reason to become part of the Fellowship herself, even with the way that she feels about everyone being part of the world. The reason she left Mirkwood in DOS was because Thranduil was doing nothing to stop the encroaching evil, even to the point of allowing orcs to cross their boarders and kill their prisoners. However, if, as is indicated by Legolas in LOTR, the elves of Mirkwood are indeed already taking part in the war, then it should be more than enough reason for her to stay in Mirkwood and fight in defense of her own people which, since that would still be taking action against the darkness. Hey, maybe she was messenger who had to report to Thranduil about Legolas joining the Fellowship!

That's a fair paraphrase Smile I believe that with his experience, Thranduil probably got an idea of the implications and the larger picture, vagueness depending on how much he knows or intuited from events, that things were heading towards another key event. As with Oropher before him, he would know that every race has its part to play, and it's time to come out of isolation, even if he hadn't shaken off the effects of Shadow post-BoFA/Dol Guldur, cos Oropher went to war in the LA and he was there. This time, he has had experience to fall back on, and I believe he would know the importance of playing team ball. But he would not be caught out so painfully as in the LA, so while Legolas goes off gallivanting (with his blessing) and being spokeself for inter-race relationship (blessing? what blessing?), he girds the Wood for war. (Slight OT: How does Legolas know war marches on Mirkwood? Does he and Thranduil do mindspeak like Galadriel does?) And here is why I am of two minds about Tauriel's part. I can see and agree on her being a part of the small team to Rivendell and being the trusted and personally groomed warrior of Thranduil's she'd be designated the messenger. But, as a captain of the guard, I'd think she would not be named to the team and instead would already be busy with fortifying the borders, because Thranduil would not want continued vulnerability and exposure to attacks [spoiler start] Gollum's escape was a bloody affair aided and abetted by a surprise goblin attack after all. Thranduil must be livid at the compromise on homeland security[spoiler end]

In support of my thoughts about Thranduil's take on events, the most definitive quote from the professor about Thranduil: ‘But there was in Thranduil’s heart a still deeper shadow. He had seen the horror of Mordor and could not forget it. If ever he looked south its memory dimmed the light of the Sun, and though he knew that it was now broken and deserted and under the vigilance of the Kings of Men, fear spoke in his heart that it was not conquered for ever: it would arise again.’ - Unfinished Tales. Apart from the general background about Sindar princes, Mirkwood and Oropher, which builds on Thranduil's character (also from UT), this tells us quite clearly his astuteness about the whole Shadow and darkness business. On the other hand, the little that we do know leaves so much open room for interpretation, hopefully in a good way Heart

Incidentally, I'm trying to develop a understanding and form a proper theory to address my sister's question, "Why didn't Thranduil just sack Dol Guldur himself?", and give it to her in a way that doesn't involve convoluted backhistory (because she's not interested in the books, at least not in delving that far back - the Silm will simply stay unread til the day she die if she even get around to reading page 1)... does it seem like I'm doing the dirty work of reading ME history for her?Crazy

I'll stop before I start drafting a fanfic right here.


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 6 2014, 3:03am


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     LOL. Go whip those algebra into shape then

how much longer do you have to do them?


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 6 2014, 3:23am


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     Thranduil's personal quarters and time concepts


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This line: “I thought I ordered that nest to be destroyed not two minutes past.” Two minutes past – is this an Elven expression meaning ‘very recently’, or a more specific concept of Elven time? We know that 100 years is but a blink in the life of an Elf – which is a little exaggerated, but could two “Elven minutes” refer to a certain number of hours/days ago? Hmmm.. anyone have any background on this?

Regarding concepts of time, I tried googling but did not find anything particularly illuminating except this, which is perceptive rather than physical, given the basic assumption that Elves feel and experience each moment much more keenly than men do. I do remember reading somewhere about this bit though, if only my memory works now. I do wonder if the Elves need to have the lamps dimmed at night, just so they can tell day from night in the cave? I remember my one and only spelunking experience, it warped my sense of time even though it was just a little under 2 hours. The lightlessness made the experience felt like it was a very long time under ground, not that it wasn't fun - the bruises on my knees were painfully clear mementos of the time spent.

As for Thranduil's line, he said moons. I'm referencing the youtube here since i'm holding out for the EECrazy and the script on LotRProject.

Just ref your thoughts on space, privacy and the articles in that space - Agreed. No matter how beloved the Elvenking, I'd think he'd like his private time to be private. I don't imagine either he nor his subjects needing to have his every move open to public scrutiny, even if it's just a faraway glimpse of him having a mid-day tipple or lounging on that divan. Which brings up another strange point, is that space a sort of drawing room? If so, the extra glasses and the idea of entertaining or meeting someone there makes sense. But why is the bed there if it's not a space for resting?

Frankly, I'm not too worried about dangers to Thranduil's person even if a stalker gets past the formidable guards. He is more than capable of protecting his own virtue with the way he wields that badass sword of his, as we've seen. Smile



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When he says “….we will endure”, his eyes do a little flicker to the side, as though he has heard or sensed Bilbo slipping away down the side stairs.

This set of gifs say it all. Heart



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Ooh, what a great piece of fan art! I have often thought that if I could draw, I'd like to depict Thranduil in the 'jacuzzi'.
I love the vlog bit (number 12 IIRC) when LP and EL are kidding around on this scene Laugh

Heheh. I loved that vlog bit too. The only thing with this scene is, would Thranduil have a screen on the exposed side of the space, or would he just go Au Naturel when he dips in? TongueBlush


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Lurker in the Mirk
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Jun 6 2014, 3:29am


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     Love the idea of a reading room thread!

Can we do that please? Smile
I'm also planning to reread the Silm and UT after I'm done with LotR. One of my aims is to get all those Elf types straight Crazy



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I now have a useful family tree chart for reference, thanks to someone on TORn. This is probably available somewhere on line for sure?

Mind to point me to this? I so need a reference.



*hugs* on the life event and LotR's role in getting over it. Strangely, the movies and the books helped me heaps too - I was having an existential crisis of sorts right then... I should not have let RL made my allegiance lapse, it's quite a bit of a struggle to find enough time to get back into it.



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Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 6 2014, 7:59am


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     Divan and bathing


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As for Thranduil's line, he said moons.



Oh, how embarrassment! I'll put that down to my glitchy home internet connection, and not having the volume up lo8ud enough. Well there goes that interesting theorising. BlushBlushBlush


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But why is the bed there if it's not a space for resting?



Could just be a vanity, a furnishing to fill a gap and add visual comfort. Or, I tend to think of a 'divan' as a wider kind of sofa rather than a bed. Definitely there are cushions, which are sofa-esque. Maybe it is for lounging on, once a few wines have been downed and the conversation is getting a bit looser. One could also throw one's robe over it while bathing.

On that note, I am thinking 'au naturale' because I imagine elves are very comfortable with their bodies. Dwarves too certainly seem to be fine with bathing in the buff.


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Frankly, I'm not too worried about dangers to Thranduil's person even if a stalker gets past the formidable guards. He is more than capable of protecting his own virtue with the way he wields that badass sword of his, as we've seen. Smile



Yes I thought this as well. I wonder if he sleeps with a sword close at hand, just in case.

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Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 6 2014, 8:06am


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     Reading Room idea


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Can we do that please? Smile
I'm also planning to reread the Silm and UT after I'm done with LotR. One of my aims is to get all those Elf types straight Crazy


What would be good is to have someone who's familiar with the Sil to either lead the discussion or pose questions for us complete newbies to think of while reading each chapter, or chapter breakdowns if chapters are long (and I think from memory, they are) That way, we're not being too vague, like "uh.. right... what was all that about..." (which could be a typical response from me), but can be a bit more targeted in our thinking.
Lurker, are you familiar enough to do this? Or we could go to the reading room and request someone to help us?






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I now have a useful family tree chart for reference, thanks to someone on TORn. This is probably available somewhere on line for sure?




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Mind to point me to this? I so need a reference.




I can't recall where I got it - it only exists in hard copy now. But I can certainly scan it.




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Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 6 2014, 8:22am


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     Messengers

I've been wondering about ME messengers in general, due to lack of telecommunications, and the downside of Skyping via palantir.

There'd be such great distances to ride to bear messages from one realm to another, but I suppose, like our world in 'the olden days', there were people whose job was to do exactly that. Or perhaps they enlisted the help of the birds, for those who could understand the language of thrushes.

If Legolas arrived at Rivendell alone, it may have been a Rivendell messenger who had to take the message back. If so, and he had never been in Thranduil's presence before, he could have (1) been in for quite a fiery encounter (2) just done his job stoically and got the hell out.

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 6 2014, 1:44pm


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     I think his sword would be near at hand

so he practise and strut the swordsman cool anytime.

Plus he wouldn't want to be caught unawares.


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On that note, I am thinking 'au naturale' because I imagine elves are very comfortable with their bodies.

i like that notionHeartBlush

(btw ... that jacuzzi goof moment in vlog 12 GIF)


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Jun 6 2014, 1:51pm


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     Thoughts


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What would be good is to have someone who's familiar with the Sil to either lead the discussion or pose questions for us complete newbies to think of while reading each chapter, or chapter breakdowns if chapters are long (and I think from memory, they are) That way, we're not being too vague, like "uh.. right... what was all that about..." (which could be a typical response from me), but can be a bit more targeted in our thinking.
Lurker, are you familiar enough to do this? Or we could go to the reading room and request someone to help us?

Great point. I'm not familiar enough to do it though - only read it once, gosh, 8 years ago I think.

I guess the other option is to look up stuff ourselves and ask questions. We can use this reader's guide in pdf format (source) as a start.



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I can't recall where I got it - it only exists in hard copy now. But I can certainly scan it.

If it's not too much trouble. Thanks!




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Lurker in the Mirk
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Jun 6 2014, 2:07pm


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     Legolas' messages to Dad


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If Legolas arrived at Rivendell alone, it may have been a Rivendell messenger who had to take the message back. If so, and he had never been in Thranduil's presence before, he could have (1) been in for quite a fiery encounter (2) just done his job stoically and got the hell out.

It's interesting, the concept of communication between the 3 major Elven realms. Rivendell and Lothlorien would be in constant, or at least consistent communications for obvious reasons. I think that Elrond would also send dispatches to Thranduil as he sees fit (they would have built some rapport at the LA), but the information flow may tend to be a bit one-sided Tongue

But the mode of communication - that is quite another thing. Can they trust the birds? Or... would they have to fall back on moth-mail? But moth-mail seem to be an exclusive application for members only, and that club seems sort of small. Maybe they do have specialist delivery elves trained to the rigours of mail delivery over the treacherous route.

[spoiler start]Coincidentally, Legolas seemed to have been in Rivendell for 2 months along with the rest of the council attendees due to snow (and probably to see what else he can do or be ready to carry messages back to Thranduil). There's no clear indication if he arrived alone or he had company. Interestingly, Elrohir and Elladan (Elrond's boys) went on a secret mission
over the mountains... maybe Legolas passed a message through them, which was then passed on to a convenient messenger? Maybe the Beornings since they are the ones keeping the Forest Road open and charging toll (might as well take on the postal delivery as a convenient sideline)? Ooh, the possibilities! [spoiler end]

Re the hapless messenger: I suppose anyone sent would have known of Thranduil by reputation if not through personal experience Tongue Though I imagine a cold fire Thranduil rather than a ballistic dad/king when he gets the news.



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I've been wondering about ME messengers in general, due to lack of telecommunications, and the downside of Skyping via palantir.

LOL + Heart




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Lurker in the Mirk
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Jun 6 2014, 2:11pm


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     Fanart: Thranduil and his Elk

Elvenking and his Elk


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Lurker in the Mirk
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Jun 6 2014, 2:12pm


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     Thranduil and white stag fanart

here


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Lurker in the Mirk
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Jun 6 2014, 2:22pm


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     Fanart for BotFa: Thranduil's Scout at the 'Edges of Erebor'

A nice concept.

Trailer now!



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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 6 2014, 3:48pm


Views: 4987
     This is Week 4 of the course

The course officially ends on August 15th, so that's *counts weeks on calendar* 10 more weeks. Oh joy.

At least I'm doing well on it so far. I took my first major test yesterday and 27 out of 30 questions right. Yay! I'm very proud of myself!Cool The three questions that I missed were only because of minor calculation errors on my part that I would have caught if I had checked my work a little more carefully. Live and learn.

For relevance and because I thought it was funnySmile:


"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 6 2014, 7:18pm


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     I have come to a decision on my summer reading

After getting some outside opinions on whether I should read Children of Hurin or Sil first, I've decided to read CoH first since it's kind of depressing and I want to have something...well...less depressing like Sil to read after I'm done. However, the Sil Reading Room thread idea sounds awesomeHeart, so if y'all get that worked out and start it before I finish CoH, I'll probably either switch to reading Sil or work my reading schedule to read them both at the same time so I can be a part of it. Smile

"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 7 2014, 2:49pm


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     LOL Relevance

That is funny! Never fail to cause LOL here Smile



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The course officially ends on August 15th, so that's *counts weeks on calendar* 10 more weeks. Oh joy.

Well, GotG will be out by then.



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At least I'm doing well on it so far. I took my first major test yesterday and 27 out of 30 questions right. Yay! I'm very proud of myself!Cool


So is Thranduil Cool





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Lurker in the Mirk
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Jun 7 2014, 2:58pm


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     On reading the Silm

I've yet to get CoH, so I can't comment on that, but imo and very humbly so, the Silm is very textbook-ish, and demands participation in the sense that it requires a fair bit of self-notation if you want to keep things straight, at least until you finish it (I regret not doing so the first go-around and plan to remedy it this time). For comparison, I had to read history (about an area and time I was not interested in) a long long time ago, and while the Silm was far more interesting with its historical text feel rather than a student's textbook about history, the Silm felt like more of an assignment than my dreaded history lessons at times. What I want to say is, it might not be a good idea to try reading it in tandem with another book.


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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 7 2014, 4:33pm


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     True.

I've heard that Silm is like that as well, and as soon as I wrote my last post, it occurred to me that reading it in tandem with another book might not be the best idea.Blush I guess that means I'll just have to go on and get CoH read and then get on with Silm as soon as I'm done.

Honestly, I'm not sure I want to spend too much time with CoH anyway since it's dark fantasy and supposed to be a bit of a bummer. (I actually cheated and looked at part of the ending yesterday, so I would know which characters not to get attached to!Crazy) The only reason I want to read it is because it's part of Tolkien's legendarium. Otherwise, it's not the kind of thing that would normally attract me. *shrugs*

"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
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Lurker in the Mirk
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Jun 8 2014, 2:51am


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     LOL. Well, let me know your thought on CoH, will ya?

I want to get an idea of where it should be on my readlist. Smile


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Lurker in the Mirk
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Jun 8 2014, 3:10am


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     More Woodland Weekend stuff (yes, I'm passing time)




I think I've shared this one but no harm repeating: wallpapers - Thranduil, Legolas, Tauriel (another combo)

Lee Pace Talks 'Guardians of the Galaxy,' 'The Hobbit,' and – Because We Made Him – 'Marmaduke'

HACF: Episode 2 preview... so it's going to be the first real "fresh" episode eh? Will US Thralls come and share your reviews? I'm living vicariously here Tongue

If you care to venture beyond the Thranduil Appreciation threads, I started 2 elsewhere for lists which has Thranduil/LP



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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 8 2014, 3:22am


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     To Kerewyn, Eruvandi:

Before I forget (again), I started a thread in the reading room asking for ME/Tolkien reading recs. Here if you're interested. I've not looked through the recs in detail yet. Lots to think about.




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Lurker in the Mirk
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Jun 8 2014, 2:14pm


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     Addendum: GIFs of the confrontation scene/BTS... and Woah, view explosion!


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For relevance and because I thought it was funnySmile:

I just wanted to share this set of GIFs I just saw, in line with the relevance you posted... and the views... when I logged off about 10 hours ago, we were just south of 4000 or juuuuuuust about there, and now we're at 5150++? Whaaa...?


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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 8 2014, 10:14pm


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     Will do! :D//

 

"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 9 2014, 12:31am


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     "Because we made him...Marmaduke" Lol

Interesting interview. Yes, Marmaduke was an *cough* unfortunate moment in LP's career.Crazy I'm really sorry to hear that he did it because he was disappointed in himself thought he had to in order to be liked though. Never fear Lee, you'll always be loved here, no matter how popular one TV show is!Heart

I don't remember those wallpapers, but I like them so I'm glad you posted them again!Smile My three favorite elves!

OT and slightly embarrassing: I'm watching the ROTK EE Appendices right now and just watched the segment called "Home of the Horse Lords" (I love horses so it made me happy!Angelic) Well, there was this one part where OB was talking about how great his horse is and kissing it repeatedly on the nose and I suddenly found myself thinking "Lucky horse!".Blush

Maybe we should start a thing called "You know you're an elf fancier when ____". and we can all fill in the blank. Mine of course, will say "You know you're an elf fancier when you see one of your fave elves kissing his horse and get jealous...of the horse." BlushOh my...Blush

Back on topic: Thinking of elves and horses...I wonder if Thranduil had a good bond with his war elk? Like, did he go out and groom it and feed it and generally spend time with it everyday or did some lower ranking elf do that for him? Was it his favorite elk and was Thranduil the elk's favorite elf? Did he ever kiss the elk's nose (some horses really seem to like being kissed on the nose, so I assume elks might too), or pat him and tell he was a good elk? I know it sounds silly, but I think it says a lot someone when they're good with animals and animals in general like them. Animals can be some of the best judges of character after all.

Btw, the "How Tolkien Characters would introduce themselves in a matriarchal society" thing was hilarious!!Laugh

"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 9 2014, 1:08am


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     It's official...

...all the lurking people think we're obsessive nuts.Tongue They're not wrong, but I'd like to think that we're at least interesting, obsessive nuts.Wink We may be obsessed, but we don't bite, I promise!Angelic You can join in if you want too! Just let your Thranduil Thralldom flag fly!


I really like those gifs!Smile It's interesting to see the before-and-after side-by-side like that.

I notice when LP and RA were rehearsing the "do not talk to me of dragon fire!" scene together, LP really dialed his performance back when he got up in RA's face. Like, he was still up in RA's face and was being intense so they could have a good rehearsal, but he definitley didn't make the super-intense faces that he made when he was acting with the tennis ball on a stick. I have to say, I can understand why he might have done it like that, since, if I was RA at least, I would have had trouble keeping a straight face with someone standing that close and making faces like that!Tongue

"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
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Lurker in the Mirk
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Jun 9 2014, 4:19am


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     Aww... Marmaduke, and Hi-ho Moosey!


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Oh just say it! Say it!
Marmaduke! Marmaduke! I did Marmaduke. At the time I gave myself a real hard time for it, but I’m so grateful… whenever kids come up to me, the parents are like, “We watched it everyday for a month.”

Just LOL. I Heart the big dogs like great danes, but everyday for a month? It's a wonder the parents didn't go bonkers a week in. I wonder if the same kids would recognise him from TH too. Hmm... there was a time when Marmaduke seemed to be over all the free-to-air channel here. School vacation period is coming on again, so it might get resurrected. Will have to watch for this time Smile



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Back on topic: Thinking of elves and horses...I wonder if Thranduil had a good bond with his war elk? Like, did he go out and groom it and feed it and generally spend time with it everyday or did some lower ranking elf do that for him? Was it his favorite elk and was Thranduil the elk's favorite elf? Did he ever kiss the elk's nose (some horses really seem to like being kissed on the nose, so I assume elks might too), or pat him and tell he was a good elk? I know it sounds silly, but I think it says a lot someone when they're good with animals and animals in general like them. Animals can be some of the best judges of character after all.

I'm no expert, but I'd think Thranduil would have to have a great bond with his war-elk, key word being "war". The low-ranking elf may have the honour of the housekeeping, but I bet Thranduil would make sure he had some time with his elk, if not daily, then on a regular basis. And Thranduil would probably take on some of that grooming stuff himself, just cos it seems like warriors would want/need to have that special bond with their war mounts, just due to the practical life-depends-on-it, trust and so on stuff. I love how this was portrayed in The Dragon and the George, by Gordon R Dickson. It's not a horse or war on horseback book for sure but there's enough to romanticise the relationship between warhorse and rider (for me).



Oooh, all those questions you have, would make for some nice fic ideas! hmm... Thranduil probably is something of an elf-whisperer, with his connectedness to nature and the forest. And with the bond a rider would develop with his mount, how do you think Thranduil takes it when his elk passes on? Elves live so long, but I guess even the best elvish care can't prolong an elk's life to rivel a blink in elven lives. Every time his war elk died, what would he be going through as he said good-bye and start bonding with a new elk? Though I can't imagine the practicality of elk over horse. The nature-programme nerd in me keeps thinking about the fact that it is only during the rut in autumn that males get that impressive rack and they can't think of anything else but mating. How does Thranduil manage to keep his elk in hand during the season? Or would he have to put the elk out to pasture? If he does, does he take an alternative mount in the meantime? How does it work if his elk came home injured and his mojo deflated from losing jousting matches with rival males? Or would Thranduil keep an eye on his elk to keep him injury free? I can't imagine it being a better idea to have a female elk... she'd be too busy with fending off the males too, not to mention the personal inconvenience and danger of being on her back when a suitor comes calling. imo, no amount of elk-whispering would be worth the trouble in autumn... and what about Legolas? Surely, as part of his training, he'd have to know something about elk-whispering and war-elk maintenance.

*ahem* moving on! But I think it's safe to say LP likes riding and horses, from what elf-lady and Kerewyn shared about ... I think it was the commentary on the Fall. Plus, I am supremely amused that the actor playing the elk, according to LP himself, is a horse named Moose. (Also, a candidate for the door decorator to the elk stable?) Sly What breed is he, do you think? The actor-horse I mean...



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Maybe we should start a thing called "You know you're an elf fancier when ____". and we can all fill in the blank. Mine of course, will say "You know you're an elf fancier when you see one of your fave elves kissing his horse and get jealous...of the horse." BlushOh my...Blush

LOL! Nice idea. Just tell me where to go Smile



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Btw, the "How Tolkien Characters would introduce themselves in a matriarchal society" thing was hilarious!!Laugh

Heh... it was. But I still stand by my theory that whoever put that up as Legolas' introduction was jealous of Thranduil's beauty Tongue



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Jun 9 2014, 4:30am


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     HAHAHA


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...all the lurking people think we're obsessive nuts.Tongue They're not wrong, but I'd like to think that we're at least interesting, obsessive nuts.Wink We may be obsessed, but we don't bite, I promise!Angelic You can join in if you want too! Just let your Thranduil Thralldom flag fly!

Truly! ... Incidentally, I'm wondering if I should think about a nic change now... I seem to be throwing it at my own teeth everytime I log in and "show myself" though the irony of my current nic tickles an otherwise unreachable funny bone Tongue



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I really like those gifs!Smile It's interesting to see the before-and-after side-by-side like that.

Yeah. I saw them and went, Hey coolness, and what a coincidence Eruvandi just posted a pic.



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I notice when LP and RA were rehearsing the "do not talk to me of dragon fire!" scene together, LP really dialed his performance back when he got up in RA's face. Like, he was still up in RA's face and was being intense so they could have a good rehearsal, but he definitley didn't make the super-intense faces that he made when he was acting with the tennis ball on a stick. I have to say, I can understand why he might have done it like that, since, if I was RA at least, I would have had trouble keeping a straight face with someone standing that close and making faces like that!Tongue

Yeah. He seemed rather polite about it, didn't he? Makes sense. Otherwise they would probably be LOL everytime they saw each other over the next few days. I did notice in the BTS stuff LP tend to be quiet, intense and focused before shooting or when doing that blocking stuff - not sure if that's his MO but I guess channelling Thranduil probably takes a lot of concentration.




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Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 9 2014, 5:38am


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     Reading room recs

Wow, Yup. There's a lot to consider there.

I started by looking up The Complete Tolkien Companion by J E A Tyler, as a potential companion for readng The Sil. One of its Amazon reviewers had something useful to say on whether to choose this or the Foster title. I'll quote it here:

"Without The New Tolkien Companion, I would have been utterly lost back then. Tolkien's world was so rich and detailed, that I had a certain amount of difficulty following along. Imagine, a reader of fantasy, and mythology, having difficulty keeping up with the "different" names in the books, as well as the numerous story lines. When turning to this book, it always helped give me that extra piece of information that I needed to get a full picture of what I was reading. It never bothered me that there weren't page numbers or references to back anything up, because I found that Tyler far more often than not (in fact, I can't think of a "not" example) got things right. What I appreciated most about this book, and here is where it differs greatly from Foster's The Complete Guide to Middle-earth, is that Tyler's entries told stories. Foster's - an excellent book - also gave the necessary identifying information, but because he "indexed" his text with references to the books, he had built-in limitations on space (not to mention that god-awful cover art that for some reason "we" all loved back then - look at the hat on Aragorn!).

Regardless, this isn't meant to be a comparison between the two books, and a judgment on which is better. They're both excellent, and they take entirely different approaches to cataloging information. Both styles should be able to be appreciated by anyone.

I'm a pretty serious Tolkien fan (though I've never worn elf ears or dressed up like Gandalf), and I have both books. If you want textual references, Foster is for you. If you like the story, then this book is for you."


I think the 'story' aspect is what might have me choosing Tyler as well.

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Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 9 2014, 5:56am


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     During shooting...


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I did notice in the BTS stuff LP tend to be quiet, intense and focused before shooting or when doing that blocking stuff - not sure if that's his MO but I guess channelling Thranduil probably takes a lot of concentration.


This reminds me.. I read that blog post you linked to a few pages ago, by the girl who received her Make a Wish request to go visit the TH set. It was very nice of LP to cut away from shooting and go hang with her for a while, and show her around. I also like that LP's parents were there watching him filming. They must be so super proud of their boy. They sound like a close family, from the little I can glean from interviews.

Must come back later and read more of the links above. I've allowed myself too little time online today and have to go out now to a social engagement!

Love the elk drawing... I am now going to be thinking elkish thoughts. Really, I know so little about elks and where they sit in the 'antlered beasts' family.

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 9 2014, 2:42pm


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     I almost forgot

I've recently started watching and participating in the TORn BookClub discussions on Sundays at 12pm Pacific Time (3pm Eastern Standard Time for me)(Shameless plugSmile) and TORn Staffer Greendragon, who does all the great interviews on the main page was the guest this week. She and Josh, the host of BookClub had a very interesting discussion on Beowulf and Shakespear. She's very smart! Anyway, right near the end of the show, I suddenly remembered my responsibility as a Thranduil Thrall and used the chat room to request that she please interview LP at some point, if she can. Josh saw my request and kindly read it to her and she said that LP is apparently a very busy man right now with his new show and all, but it's certainly something she'll keep in mind, so maybe we'll get a Greendragon/LP interview at some point!SmileHeart

Just thought I'd let you all know about that, since we've been wanting an LP interview for a while.Cool I only wish I had had time to request that she ask about Thrandy's rings, but, alas, the show was ending and there's a good 30 or 40 second delay between when you type something in the chat and when Josh sees it, so by the time I thought to ask and had it typed out, it was too late. Oh well. I can always try the TORn e-mail.

More shameless plugging: If any of y'all want to check out TORn Book Club and join the chat that would be awesome! We only have about six or seven regular viewers right now and the chat could really use some more participants. You don't even have to read the monthly book if you're not interested or just don't have time because the discussion is often about literature in general and sometimes even movies like TH, LOTR and Batman (yes, Batman). There are also guests sometimes and they're always really interesting.

If you do want to tune in, again, it's on Sundays at 12pm Pacific Time. It live-streams on the TORn Ustream and Justin.tv channels simultaneously, because people had been having technical difficulties on Justin.tv. If you want to join the chat, be sure you go to the Ustream channel because that's where we chat. Here's the link to the Ustream channel. (Ustream doesn't require you to create an account to chat, but as far as I know accounts are free and easy to set up.) You can also catch up on the old episodes here on YouTube if you want.

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And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 9 2014, 2:55pm


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     Thanks for the info, Kerewyn

I'm still torn... the story aspect of Tyler's book appeals to the reader, but the notational style of Foster appeals to the nerd... oooh, must I choose?

(I found an online book ordering store that operates locally. It's got both titles, and even all the Hobbit Chronicles titles, even the BotFA one coming out 17 Dec... not bargain prices, but a few bucks cheaper than brick-and-mortar store list prices. Temptation!)


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Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 9 2014, 3:22pm


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     Yeah, that account was so exuberant, put a smile on my face


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I read that blog post you linked to a few pages ago, by the girl who received her Make a Wish request to go visit the TH set. It was very nice of LP to cut away from shooting and go hang with her for a while, and show her around. I also like that LP's parents were there watching him filming. They must be so super proud of their boy. They sound like a close family, from the little I can glean from interviews.

and its probably safe to say LP enlisted a number of new fans there Smile Seems like his parents are often at his premieres and stuff. It's not that common, is it, for the hollywood crowd to involve family in these things?


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I've allowed myself too little time online today and have to go out now to a social engagement!

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Love the elk drawing... I am now going to be thinking elkish thoughts. Really, I know so little about elks and where they sit in the 'antlered beasts' family.

Elks are cool, the largest of the deer family. I find it interesting that Thranduil's elk is theorised by knowledgeable people in the fanfom to be an extinct giant called Megaloceros (cool name too!) due to his size. Magnificent creature, a kingly mount befitting the tall, fair Elf-lord of Mirkwood Smile Would be interesting to get a BTS of Moose the horse being transformed into the Elf-Elk.

OT: I saw a large male while in Yellowstone Park, oh... in a summer years back. He was standing next to a SUV... and just *jawdrop* Megaloceros would dwarf him. He looked like a super-model with his long legs when compared to the bulk of the bison... which was another *jawdrop*

(random facts: Interestingly, elks usually birth 1 calf, but sometimes they may have twins. Antlers are the boys' business in almost all deer species; only reindeer females grow antlers as well)


Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 9 2014, 3:26pm


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     Way to go, Eruvandi!

And thanks! Hopefully we get that interview and the stories of the Thrandy rings.

The Bookclub sounds interesting. But alas timezone (a typical issue). 12pm PST on Sunday is just about 2am Monday morning for me Unsure Hopefully the other Thralls, and the lurking ones Smile see this and decide to pop in. Oughta be fun!


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Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 9 2014, 5:34pm


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     To get a name like Moose...

...I would guess that it was a pretty big horse! The largest breeds of horses tend to be draft breeds like the Clydesdale, Belgian, or Percheron. Although, a horse that big might be overkill just for the sake of replacing it with a CGI elk, so maybe it was just tall, but not heavy like the draft breeds. In that case, thoroughbreds can get pretty tall, as can other Warmblood breeds such as Quarterhorses, Oldenburgs, Fresians, Hanoverians, etc. One breed that I know for sure would not get named Moose would be Arabians (my fave!Heart) because they tend to have a more graceful bone structure, shorter backs(they have fewer vertebrae than other breeds), and generally don't get as tall as the Warmblood breeds.(I believe they're considered Hotbloods)


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Thranduil probably is something of an elf-whisperer, with his connectedness to nature and the forest. And with the bond a rider would develop with his mount, how do you think Thranduil takes it when his elk passes on? Elves live so long, but I guess even the best elvish care can't prolong an elk's life to rivel a blink in elven lives. Every time his war elk died, what would he be going through as he said good-bye and start bonding with a new elk?

Hmm...I guess that would depend on how he views the death of mortals in general. We already know that he views the lives of immortal elves as something beautiful, precious and to be protected. However, I have to think that since Thranduil is thousands of years old and will have seen many a mortal life come and go over the years, he has to have come to some kind of terms with such things by this time. Now the question is, does he view mortal death as something that is a natural part of mortal life, so why bother getting upset, or does he see it as sad, but inevitable? Even if the former is his view, I have to wonder if it would change to the later depending on how close he is to the mortal in question. I've gotten the impression that the elves revere life in general, so I can't imagine that there wouldn't be some sadness over the death of an animal, or at least some solemnity. Still, like I said before, Thranduil is old enough that although he may grieve a bit over a favorite elk, I doubt he'd get quite as torn up over it as one of us might get over the death of a favorite pet. As he said to Tauriel, "The fortunes of the world will rise and fall, but here in this kingdom, we will endure." So there's definitely some detachment for him when it comes to non-elven beings.


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Though I can't imagine the practicality of elk over horse. The nature-programme nerd in me keeps thinking about the fact that it is only during the rut in autumn that males get that impressive rack and they can't think of anything else but mating. How does Thranduil manage to keep his elk in hand during the season? Or would he have to put the elk out to pasture? If he does, does he take an alternative mount in the meantime? How does it work if his elk came home injured and his mojo deflated from losing jousting matches with rival males? Or would Thranduil keep an eye on his elk to keep him injury free? I can't imagine it being a better idea to have a female elk... she'd be too busy with fending off the males too, not to mention the personal inconvenience and danger of being on her back when a suitor comes calling. imo, no amount of elk-whispering would be worth the trouble in autumn...

Well, these are things that you have to deal with when you have horses too, at least if you don't have them castrated (don't know if elves would do that with their animals or not). In that "Home of the Horse Lords" appendices segment that I mentioned, Viggo Mortensen's horse had that problem when they were filming one of the scenes at the Black Gate. The horse kept getting so antsy that Viggo kept having to dismount lest he fall off. They couldn't figure out what was wrong until they realized that one of the mares that a background character was riding had gone into heat and Viggo's horse was just trying to get to her. Oopsie.Blush

Stallions have also been known to get into knock-down-drag-out fights over mares as well, even in captivity. You just have to learn to recognize when that's going to happen and either not put the stallions in the same place in the first place, or separate them and the mares during breeding season. Even then, herd animals can still get into fights over food, pecking order, etc, so if you're that worried about one of them getting hurt and not being able to ride them, then you're going to need to put it in it's own pasture.

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and what about Legolas? Surely, as part of his training, he'd have to know something about elk-whispering and war-elk maintenance.

Yes, I imagine Legolas has long ago learned how to care for the elk as well as anything else the elves of Mirkwood use for transportation. Although, that kind of thing seems to come naturally to the elves so would he really need much in the way of training?

I can't seem to find it again, but once, before the Thranduil appreciation threads even started, I saw this really pretty piece of artwork where Thranduil and Legolas were walking through Mirkwood together with horse and elk in tow. It was on some tumbler blog, I think, but it's been so long, and I didn't make note of the name so it'll have to live on in memory only, I guess.Unsure

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And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 10 2014, 5:28am


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     Horse... Moose ... Elk


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...I would guess that it was a pretty big horse! The largest breeds of horses tend to be draft breeds like the Clydesdale, Belgian, or Percheron. Although, a horse that big might be overkill just for the sake of replacing it with a CGI elk, so maybe it was just tall, but not heavy like the draft breeds.

Yeah, Moose definitely is a clue to his (I'm assuming since stallions are bigger) breed. I have this image in my mind of a Clydesdale for sure, ala the thirteenth warrior... this is the best pic I found, but I'm thinking of how next to these guys, Antonio Banderas' Arabian steed looked like a toy poodle would next to a standard.


Wow, Eruvandi. Thanks for the information re horses and the *ahem* urges of nature. Yeah, I forgot not all horses are geldings eh?


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Hmm...I guess that would depend on how he views the death of mortals in general. We already know that he views the lives of immortal elves as something beautiful, precious and to be protected. However, I have to think that since Thranduil is thousands of years old and will have seen many a mortal life come and go over the years, he has to have come to some kind of terms with such things by this time. Now the question is, does he view mortal death as something that is a natural part of mortal life, so why bother getting upset, or does he see it as sad, but inevitable? Even if the former is his view, I have to wonder if it would change to the later depending on how close he is to the mortal in question. I've gotten the impression that the elves revere life in general, so I can't imagine that there wouldn't be some sadness over the death of an animal, or at least some solemnity. Still, like I said before, Thranduil is old enough that although he may grieve a bit over a favorite elk, I doubt he'd get quite as torn up over it as one of us might get over the death of a favorite pet. As he said to Tauriel, "The fortunes of the world will rise and fall, but here in this kingdom, we will endure." So there's definitely some detachment for him when it comes to non-elven beings.

Nice. The distinction of us and the rest is probably a best-option for managing emotional trauma of loss. Though imo the irony of non-elven beings like his elk would be that as the rider, he would form a close personal bond with it, doubly intensified for a war-mount, quite apart from the level and scope of bond/interaction with Men or other lesser-lived beings. So based on that, since he is not devoid of emotion, I believe the successive elf passings would have left dents in his heart regardless of the degree he could apply detachment. Come to think of it, it might that he's great with compartmentalisation so he can deal with the stuff, more than the symptomatic detachment visible to us.


Re RotK and Aragorn's horse (was still Brego right?) Ooooh, been so long since I watched the appendices (maybe it's time to bust out the DVDs and drive the family crazy with my OCD TV hogging again *chuckle*). Thanks for reminding me and the story Smile



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I can't seem to find it again, but once, before the Thranduil appreciation threads even started, I saw this really pretty piece of artwork where Thranduil and Legolas were walking through Mirkwood together with horse and elk in tow. It was on some tumbler blog, I think, but it's been so long, and I didn't make note of the name so it'll have to live on in memory only, I guess.Unsure

Wants! What a lovely image... I'll try to imagine and hold it in my head Smile



(PS After all this time, I am still very tickled with the idea of a horse named Moose acting as an elf-elk Sly )


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Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 10 2014, 11:40am


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     Elkishness

I was thinking along very similar lines, re detachment due to the short nature of an elk's life compared to that of an Elf. Came in to comment but you have both put it beautifully, I have more nothing to add except to wonder if his elks are all a long line of descendants.

I did also imagine that an ancient Megaloceros may have contributed its antlers to Thranduil's thone room.


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If you do want to tune in, again, it's on Sundays at 12pm Pacific Time.

This translates to 5am Monday morning for me. I do tend to wake up on the dot of 4am every morning, so if I am feeling particularly ansty and can't get back to sleep, I may tune in, Otherwise, the You Tube links look terrific to watch at my leisure, so thanks for those!

Just a thought about potential Sil reading and discussions... I may have to leave this for a month or so, as July is 'project month' for me. I'll be taking part in a thing called the 100 Days Project (more on that eventually in my sig) and simultaneously partaking in Camp Nanowrimo - where I may possibly attempt some fanfic. Oh - and the more physical projects of training for a fun run, and trying to declutter my tiny apartment before my dad comes to stay. Cool

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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 10 2014, 1:54pm


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     Interior decorating, Mirkwood-style, NaNoWriMo and a personal SQUEE


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I have more nothing to add except to wonder if his elks are all a long line of descendants.

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I did also imagine that an ancient Megaloceros may have contributed its antlers to Thranduil's thone room.

LOL I was thinking about it too. I would imagine that his elks were from the same line, or at least the same herd. Incidentally, I am just done with the hobbits' rush to cross the Bruinen with Aragorn and Glorfindel, and I am just stalling at the Many Meetings chapter in LotR just thinking on the elf-horse label on Asfaloth. There are some who say it simply means a horse belonging to an Elf, but others who think it means Asfaloth has special lineage. I'd like to think he may have Mearas in his blood and that in turn got me thinking if elf-elk might have the same meaning.

Oh, and I'd think Thranduil has a stash of antlers from all his elks and will never want in all his elkish decorating needs, with replacements to spare. Smile That got me thinking if some of that stash might have been inherited from Oropher...


Re NaNoWriMo
Oooh. Will you be putting up your entry(s) online? Say Wordpress, which seems to be awesome with support in terms of plugins, for example? Do share! I thought of jumping in over the years, but either things got in the way or I kept chickening out. Maybe I'll just take the plunge this time, and recollect the remnants of my sanity and pride after. Crazy


Re: Silm reading and discussion
Actually, I'm thinking of doing notes as I go along (the lightbulb moments I get doesn't stay and then I have to reacquaint myself with the same thoughts every single time I re-read), maybe start with LotR, since I'm on it anyway, and do up notes and stuff blog-style. There's been a change in the work project so I have time to potter around more before things get busy. (OT: I'm seriously thinking about signing up for those art classes too before things get away from me again.)


Re: SQUEE!
SQUEE! SQUEE!!!
This is really OT but I got to tell someone who understands. To my eternal amazement, found a local online bookstore selling the WETA books for about USD34 (before tax) each, compared to USD48 in-store, and USD44 in the first online store I was looking at Best of all, delivery is FREE for purchases above USD20! Can't describe how that feels.

Naturally, I've put in my order for both AUJ books and the DOS Characters one (the DOS Cloaks & Daggers is from a different supplier and cost an extra $5 - I'm holding out and hoping they'll bring in some from the cheaper source). I've also added both the Foster and Tyler readers to my order Laugh Delivery in 7-14 days time. (I'm sure I will remember the old bookshelf with fondness when it dies from the strain... but we all got to go sometime, right?) Incidentally, I've come across pre-order pages for the BotFA character book already. I'm sure there'll be another one for the battles. Can't wait!!!



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... before my dad comes to stay. Cool

How exciting! Have fun!




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Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 10 2014, 8:05pm


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     Elf-elks and power-shopping


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LOL I was thinking about it too. I would imagine that his elks were from the same line, or at least the same herd. Incidentally, I am just done with the hobbits' rush to cross the Bruinen with Aragorn and Glorfindel, and I am just stalling at the Many Meetings chapter in LotR just thinking on the elf-horse label on Asfaloth. There are some who say it simply means a horse belonging to an Elf, but others who think it means Asfaloth has special lineage. I'd like to think he may have Mearas in his blood and that in turn got me thinking if elf-elk might have the same meaning.

Love that part!(Aragorn/Glorfindel)Heart

I agree. I think if something is called an elf-horse or elf-elk then it's got to have some kind of special lineage. If nothing else, we know Thranduil's elk has special lineage because it's HUGE!


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This is really OT but I got to tell someone who understands. To my eternal amazement, found a local online bookstore selling the WETA books for about USD34 (before tax) each, compared to USD48 in-store, and USD44 in the first online store I was looking at Best of all, delivery is FREE for purchases above USD20! Can't describe how that feels.

Naturally, I've put in my order for both AUJ books and the DOS Characters one (the DOS Cloaks & Daggers is from a different supplier and cost an extra $5 - I'm holding out and hoping they'll bring in some from the cheaper source). I've also added both the Foster and Tyler readers to my order Laugh Delivery in 7-14 days time. (I'm sure I will remember the old bookshelf with fondness when it dies from the strain... but we all got to go sometime, right?) Incidentally, I've come across pre-order pages for the BotFA character book already. I'm sure there'll be another one for the battles. Can't wait!!!

Now that's what I call Power-Shopping! Way to go!Cool I love finding great deals on stuff too! I actually ordered the DOS Cloaks & Daggers book from Amazon recently. I don't know if it would be different where you live, but they've got it for $31.21 as opposed to $39.99 direct from the Weta website. The shipping was $3.99. I don't know if that's any cheaper than the price you found, but I thought I'd toss it out there in case it was. It's always good to save money!Angelic

Now if only it would get here before July...Unimpressed

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With a memory
Love came and whispered a story
That awakened a dream,

I am a dreamer, take me higher
Open the sky up, start a fire
I believe even if it's just a dream"
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Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 11 2014, 2:53am


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     Harking briefly back to a Woodland Weekend link...

Note how in the recent HACF interview, LP talked about not being interested in the celebrity need to be liked – but in the one you’ve linked to here, he seems to be confessing that that was once a concern of his, and blaming the lack of success of Pushing Daisies for his own not being well-known enough. Seems he’s matured past that line of thought now. Of course, just a body of work will gain an actor’s reputation, not being in the tabloids.

Pity PD didn’t do so well. Has it become more of a cult-status thing since, like Firefly? Sad to know there are only two seasons. But I’ve been hearing rumours about a movie…. Smile

*dare I pre-emptively squee?*

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)

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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 11 2014, 2:37pm


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The shipping was $3.99. I don't know if that's any cheaper than the price you found, but I thought I'd toss it out there in case it was. It's always good to save money!Angelic

It works out to be about the same as what I'm paying. But if I order from Amazon, the final bill will be much more, thanks to international shipping Mad

But if there's anyone interested for a comparison, especially those in the vicinity (aka SouthEast Asia), the online store I went with is www.noqstore.asia


Re the books
I really love it when I re-read. I'm just about going into the Council of Elrond proper, and the Bilbo bit about visiting Dale before settling down in Rivendell has my head filled with images of a final meeting between him and Thranduil.



Not the same meeting, but this one definitely is one of those scenes I'm hoping to see in BotFA!


For completeness... GIF! Wink




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Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 11 2014, 2:46pm


Views: 4940
     Thoughts on LP's career success and fame


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Seems he’s matured past that line of thought now. Of course, just a body of work will gain an actor’s reputation, not being in the tabloids.

and it's interesting that LP seemed to have stuck to his guns about privacy regardless. I'm wondering about his movie-world trajectory now. From bursting onto the scene with 2 lead roles, he went on to bit roles or second-tier characters, though generally in major films or with famous directors/actors. I'd thought with Soldier's Girl and The Fall, he might have appeared in more prominent roles in all this time and gotten a lead again. Had he chosen not to ride the waves of success (though he prolly got a ton of clone roles he wouldn't want to reprise ad nausem), it was happenstance, or not enough heads of the right type turned and recognised his talent?



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Sad to know there are only two seasons. But I’ve been hearing rumours about a movie…. Smile

Yeah. It's a real shame. It was something both my sister and I enjoyed on TV in a long time. It was clever and different, and all that verbal sparring and the wordiness of it... Heart

Re the rumours... seemed to have been going round for a bit... and it seemed to be a musical focused on Olive they're envisioning. I'd hold that squee for now Smile


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Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 11 2014, 3:06pm


Views: 4922
     Amendment: Link to the BotFA fanart

http://princesselemmiriel.tumblr.com/...hranduil-bilbo-taken

(Gah... really not liking the edit time limit)


Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 11 2014, 7:08pm


Views: 4895
     I'm looking forward to that too

I love the contrast between Thranduil's and Bilbo's personalities. Thranduil is so proud and Bilbo is so humble. Thranduil is the definition of power and Bilbo is the definition of meekness. Thranduil is wild and Bilbo is mild. They're so different, but they still complement each other somehow. I think it would be great if BotFA would show us exactly what both of those pictures show us...that Thranduil does have a softer side and that Bilbo is the one who brings that out. Because really, Bilbo is the only one in the movie humble enough to do that IMO.SmileHeart

"Love woke me up this morning
With a memory
Love came and whispered a story
That awakened a dream,

I am a dreamer, take me higher
Open the sky up, start a fire
I believe even if it's just a dream"
~"Dreamer" by Bethany Dillon



Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 12 2014, 3:18am


Views: 4865
     Waxing lyrical


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Thranduil is so proud and Bilbo is so humble. Thranduil is the definition of power and Bilbo is the definition of meekness. Thranduil is wild and Bilbo is mild.

Wow... complete this poemie thing please Smile



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I think it would be great if BotFA would show us exactly what both of those pictures show us...that Thranduil does have a softer side and that Bilbo is the one who brings that out. Because really, Bilbo is the only one in the movie humble enough to do that IMO.SmileHeart

Oh yes! Elf-friend indeed! Still hoping for some stealth-hobbit in Thranduil's Halls in the DOS EE to help set up some of that Elf-friend vibe we oughta get in BotFA, and to see Bilbo at Thranduil's side in the Battle.

It's probably too much to ask, but I'd like to see Thranduil in his state visit regalia again too.






Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 12 2014, 5:10am


Views: 4906
     It's LP under Thranduil's badass amour, no body faking needed

Well Thralls, did that get your attention?

Thanks to Avandel's remark about visuals (and the term body faking) and Thranduil in his armour (in this post on this thread she started in the Off-Topic forum)...

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Or Thranduil:



And if you look at a larger version of this, or various up close images of the elves - that's Lee Pace under that cloth. No body faking


... I got to posting *ahem*supporting evidence that no body faking is needed. For your analysis and comment please Smile


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LOL body faking... got to remember that term. Truly, LP has the frame and the mass... au naturel Heart

Strapping shoulders...check


Great arms... check


Broad back... check


Height... check



Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 12 2014, 8:30am


Views: 4871
     WAY to turn the end of my work day into an estrogen island moment!

EvilEvilCool
Angelic

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)


Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 12 2014, 8:40am


Views: 4853
     Bilbo the Humble


In Reply To
I love the contrast between Thranduil's and Bilbo's personalities. Thranduil is so proud and Bilbo is so humble. Thranduil is the definition of power and Bilbo is the definition of meekness. Thranduil is wild and Bilbo is mild. They're so different, but they still complement each other somehow. I think it would be great if BotFA would show us exactly what both of those pictures show us...that Thranduil does have a softer side and that Bilbo is the one who brings that out. Because really, Bilbo is the only one in the movie humble enough to do that IMO.SmileHeart




The Yin and Yang. I like it. Heart
I have been watching my AUJ EE over the past couple of days, and I really noted that nature of Bilbo at the end there, when he causes Thorin to eat his words and hug him. Bilbo charms and disarms (there's something to add to the poem!) - flying in under the radar to tackle even a dwarf lord's brashness unexpectedly.

To be longing for home, but to forego that to help his friends find their home.. this to me, along with the Gollum moment when "pity stays his hand", is the ultimate Bilbo moment, which I hope will be further reflected in BotFA.

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)


Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 12 2014, 8:48am


Views: 4843
     Very nice fan art... and Nano speculation

I very much like this artist's style! Heart Wouldn't mind enlarging this and putting it on my wall. I've got a few blank spaces, and have been considering how nice it would be to have some fan art there.

Btw, re your earlier request that I should share my fanfic frm Camp Nano..... oooo errr..... I have found it very hard to share my past Nano attempts. Out of my two completed (but unedited) novels, one is so embarrassing it will never see the light of day, but I do rather enjoy reading it myself, It's like it was written for my inner world. The other... rather nervously about to be sent out to some beta readers. But since I am planning to do a number of things for my Camp word count, I may attempt some fanfic drabbles. And those would be much easier to refine and make public. Let's see what happens!

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)


elf-lady
Rivendell

Jun 12 2014, 1:07pm


Views: 4833
     Indeed, no body faking needed at all!

Those are most excellent images you posted there Lurker! I've been diverted from my spreadsheets and powerpoint decks in a most entertaining and possibly nose bleeding fashion! *faints*

I recall reading an article somewhere about LP having the perfect shoulders and body for costumes. I would certainly agree. His body frame is tall and lanky in a lovely way. He's muscled but not bulgy. LP pulls off the Thranduil look in spades and looks fabulous in suits (HACF) as well.Heart


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 12 2014, 1:18pm


Views: 4828
     LOL... should've stuck a EI warning there

Sorry Tongue

Though, where is your well-thought out analysis, Kerewyn?


Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 12 2014, 1:50pm


Views: 4838
     Didn't LP also commented on Bilbo?


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To be longing for home, but to forego that to help his friends find their home.. this to me, along with the Gollum moment when "pity stays his hand", is the ultimate Bilbo moment, which I hope will be further reflected in BotFA.

I think there was an interview where he picked, as something he liked about the book, Bilbo's arc, being someone small and "insignficant" among kings and heroes, whose actions and kindness changed the world?

It's amazing. The story is titled The Hobbit, but there's such great events in it where Bilbo is not the obvious pivotal character (and sometimes even just a story-[re]teller), and yet, his encounter with Gollum is the key event. He takes himself seriously and yet he is able to raise to the occasion, do great/generous things (like the foregoing home moment), but still be totally humble, and even provincial but receptive to strange new things at times.

Martin Freeman embodies the dignity of the simple, uncomplicated common-man so well, and yet at the same time he infuses the character with character moments and comedy with the perfect touch.


(i'm quite taken with this anime-style rendition of Bilbo but strangely, can't find the source)


(Pretty! water colour paintings of more TH characters at source, including Thranduil, click on it)

And for relevance Heart







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Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 12 2014, 1:56pm


Views: 4802
     Re Nano: Will be waiting! //

 


Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 12 2014, 1:59pm


Views: 4843
     Glad you approve =)


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I've been diverted from my spreadsheets and powerpoint decks in a most entertaining and possibly nose bleeding fashion! *faints*

Diversions from work are good, right?Angelic EvilTongueSmile



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I recall reading an article somewhere about LP having the perfect shoulders and body for costumes. I would certainly agree. His body frame is tall and lanky in a lovely way. He's muscled but not bulgy. LP pulls off the Thranduil look in spades and looks fabulous in suits (HACF) as well.Heart

I remember that too. And what HCF pics there are out there are thudderous! LP is so made for those suits





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Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 12 2014, 2:37pm


Views: 4826
     A pre-Woodlands Weekend issue




Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 12 2014, 7:05pm


Views: 4813
     I need a drool emoticon!

This one should work: *wipes drool off keyboard* Yeah, there isn't any body faking there! I love how the TH costume designer is so good at taking advantage of the actor's natural *cough* assets in order to make sure that they look the best in whatever it is they need to wear. (of course we all know that LP would look good wearing nothing but a potato sack, but the costume works too.Wink)

"Love woke me up this morning
With a memory
Love came and whispered a story
That awakened a dream,

I am a dreamer, take me higher
Open the sky up, start a fire
I believe even if it's just a dream"
~"Dreamer" by Bethany Dillon



Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 12 2014, 8:20pm


Views: 4815
     A couple more comparisons

*ahem* Thranduil is careful and guarded and Bilbo charms and disarms (thanks Kerewyn!). Thranduil is complex and Bilbo is simple. Thranduil is a twist of smoke and Bilbo is a ray of warm sunshine. Thranduil hides from the world outside while Bilbo is learning to face it head-on.

Ok, I've run out of comparisons now.Blush Anyone else want to take shot at it?Smile


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Oh yes! Elf-friend indeed! Still hoping for some stealth-hobbit in Thranduil's Halls in the DOS EE to help set up some of that Elf-friend vibe we oughta get in BotFA, and to see Bilbo at Thranduil's side in the Battle.

I think the concept of "Elf-friend" is interesting. In LOTR at least, it almost seemed like the elves were doing more that just giving an "empty" title when they called someone elf-friend. It seemed like it was something truly special that others could see or feel. Like with Frodo, for example. I noticed that after he was called elf-friend for the first time, IIRC people kept saying that he had an elvish air about him that was never commented upon before he got that title. Of course, it could be that the elvish air just came from being around the elves for any length of time, but Frodo seemed to be the only one that people specifically thought had an elvish air. Or I might be misremembering the whole thing because I've only read LOTR once.Blush

"Love woke me up this morning
With a memory
Love came and whispered a story
That awakened a dream,

I am a dreamer, take me higher
Open the sky up, start a fire
I believe even if it's just a dream"
~"Dreamer" by Bethany Dillon



(This post was edited by Eruvandi on Jun 12 2014, 8:21pm)


Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 12 2014, 9:52pm


Views: 4790
     LOL

Why, no need to ever apologise for a lack of EI warning, especially when such thudderous images are to follow!

But as for my lack of analysis, I dared not get too literal at the time, lest the thoughts find their way into my work. Which, ironically, was about 'body' - advertising copy about car body panel-beating repairs.

Now I ditto what Elf-lady and Eruvandi have to say about LP's physique. Wink (it's early, my thoughts are not yet collected, though my mind is full of Heart images.)

Oh wait..... VERY nice fan art rendering of said physique on that Elvogue cover! *needs to borrow that drool icon*. Is it weird to go EI over fan art?

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)

(This post was edited by Kerewyn on Jun 12 2014, 9:54pm)


Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 12 2014, 10:08pm


Views: 4783
     Elf friend

Yes it is an interesting concept. And I wonder how the concept would be perceived amongst the world of men, whether it would be something people - through the fickleness of human nature - might be slightly suspicious of.

Or, if it were perceived to have some element of social standing, would a person of self-importance, eg the Master of Laketown, like to apply the term to himself - due to successful trade with the Woodland Realm which he may feel he controls. (just wild speculation there.)

Hmm... now I have a mental image of the Master meeting Thranduil, all puffed up with importance but then simply deflating under that regal gaze.

The dwarves were also 'accused' of being elf-friends. I was reading TH last night, where the Great Goblin yells "Murderers and elf-friends! ... Slash them! Beat them!..." etc. He's recognised the swords of Gondolin of course, but I wonder if the dwarves felt insulted, on top of the physical attack they were undergoing.

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 13 2014, 1:48pm


Views: 4775
     adding on...

*ahem* so....

Thranduil is so proud and Bilbo is so humble.
Thranduil is the definition of power and Bilbo is the definition of meekness.
Thranduil is wild and Bilbo is mild.
Thranduil is careful and guarded and Bilbo charms and disarms.
Thranduil is complex and Bilbo is simple.
Thranduil is a twist of smoke and Bilbo is a ray of warm sunshine.
Thranduil hides from the world outside while Bilbo is learning to face it head-on.
Thranduil is mercurial but Bilbo, as a hobbit, is full of surprises.
Thranduil is a legendary warrior while Bilbo's parties are legendary.
Thranduil is splendid on his war-elk, but Bilbo is content with a pony.
Tongue



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I think the concept of "Elf-friend" is interesting. In LOTR at least, it almost seemed like the elves were doing more that just giving an "empty" title when they called someone elf-friend. It seemed like it was something truly special that others could see or feel. Like with Frodo, for example. I noticed that after he was called elf-friend for the first time, IIRC people kept saying that he had an elvish air about him that was never commented upon before he got that title. Of course, it could be that the elvish air just came from being around the elves for any length of time, but Frodo seemed to be the only one that people specifically thought had an elvish air. Or I might be misremembering the whole thing because I've only read LOTR once.Blush

Yup, it means the be-titled one is recognised as being worthy of elven friendship/aid for some reason. A bitsy ref here.


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Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 13 2014, 1:52pm


Views: 4776
     That is droolsome!

HAHAHA


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Yeah, there isn't any body faking there! I love how the TH costume designer is so good at taking advantage of the actor's natural *cough* assets in order to make sure that they look the best in whatever it is they need to wear.

Really, much Heart to them. Can't wait til I get the art books.



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(of course we all know that LP would look good wearing nothing but a potato sack, but the costume works too.Wink)




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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 13 2014, 2:01pm


Views: 4771
     heh, re EI and analysis

I guess the threshold around this thread is a bit higher than I feared Smile Which is good news, though I guess some pre-emptive tip-toeing is better than having the mods wielding their power.



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But as for my lack of analysis, I dared not get too literal at the time, lest the thoughts find their way into my work. Which, ironically, was about 'body' - advertising copy about car body panel-beating repairs.

I can't... now my head is filled with Thranduil + car images. Somewhat like this...




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Oh wait..... VERY nice fan art rendering of said physique on that Elvogue cover! *needs to borrow that drool icon*. Is it weird to go EI over fan art?

*flips Thranduil's Thralls guidebook for weirdness quotient* nope, not at all. Smile




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Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 13 2014, 3:18pm


Views: 4786
     Woodlands Weekend redux

Yup, it's come round again. (In truth, I'm trying to catch up to stuff out there before the trailer hits hope this works).

Oh, 1 question: Do you know when I post an image, clicking on it (usually) leads to the source image or source page where the image came from?

Another one: is anyone, besides Kerewyn, Eruvandi, vanima, even interested in these? Should I think about purveying them via PM to them instead?


... back to the programme.


Thranduil

gif
http://cleanxfamous.tumblr.com/post/87567324953/dos-thranduil-legolas-interrogating-the-orc

http://halcyon-noir.tumblr.com/...erpents-of-the-north
http://lee-pace-everyday.tumblr.com/...ction-diaries-behind
http://lee-pace-everyday.tumblr.com/...tation-and-rejection
http://mybabybop.tumblr.com/...02/thrandy-eye-candy


pic
http://legilimentis.tumblr.com/post/87976748643
http://thranduillover2013.tumblr.com/...n-for-king-thranduil
http://babybarnes23.tumblr.com/...ore-from-thrandyland
http://missscarlett1802.tumblr.com/...-i-love-this-picture
http://sacrifice-caps.tumblr.com/post/87697388672
http://babybarnes23.tumblr.com/...-realm-on-his-throne
http://babybarnes23.tumblr.com/...d-turned-to-one-side
http://babybarnes23.tumblr.com/...-the-other-direction
http://tolkienismyreligion.tumblr.com/...palace-alan-lee-this
http://thearkenstone-ck.tumblr.com/...7897008181/thranduil
http://coloursilluminateweareshining.tumblr.com/post/87900833780


fanart/farnies
http://rigan323.tumblr.com/post/87918714777
http://lesliedepps.tumblr.com/post/87499193391
http://ramida-r.tumblr.com/...died-some-more-mucha
http://kazuki-mendou.deviantart.com/...-legolas-1-304831831
http://minasannoinu.deviantart.com/...-the-Rings-358455718
http://sabinzie.deviantart.com/...-something-438696725
http://talktob3cks.deviantart.com/art/Thranduil-363543868
http://ewariel.deviantart.com/art/Thranduil-437309801
http://choppel.deviantart.com/art/Thranduil-453197697http://ladycyrenius.deviantart.com/...land-Realm-443322091

http://talktob3cks.deviantart.com/...Background-362083397
http://ladycyrenius.deviantart.com/...f-Mirkwood-405120081
http://princevoldy-tlk.deviantart.com/...-Wallpaper-415475078
http://talktob3cks.deviantart.com/...-Wallpaper-343593244
http://ladycyrenius.deviantart.com/...f-Mirkwood-405120081
http://elflover21.deviantart.com/...g-Banner-2-425224809
http://meanor.deviantart.com/...-of-Erebor-359159754
http://adelmort.deviantart.com/...Elven-King-428351465
http://ladymintleaf.deviantart.com/...-Leaf-mask-437685282
http://ladycyrenius.deviantart.com/...White-Stag-446672863
http://ladycyrenius.deviantart.com/...f-Mirkwood-449324337
http://ladymintleaf.deviantart.com/...-the-elves-427990224
http://kinko-white.deviantart.com/...and-Prince-362882221
http://rinarvell.deviantart.com/...-Elvenking-332827638
http://thaikiuchiha.deviantart.com/...anduil-V-2-443198145
http://candra.deviantart.com/...nd-his-Elk-377312690
http://kinko-white.deviantart.com/...en-lantern-368449737
http://13vampirella.deviantart.com/...-Thranduil-390474297
http://millenraven.deviantart.com/art/Adas-425041661
http://candra.deviantart.com/...ls-of-Dead-447811521
http://franziskag.deviantart.com/...-Thranduil-434537770
http://bryzunovrokks.deviantart.com/...-Elvenking-452787172
http://izmara.deviantart.com/...randuil-WP-424602755
http://sugar-nosweet.deviantart.com/art/thranduil-447424211
http://thacitathueni.deviantart.com/art/Thranduil-365079228
http://ladycyrenius.deviantart.com/...hranduil-1-446672193
http://azumi1771.deviantart.com/...of-Destiny-452431621
http://akonit-nord.deviantart.com/art/1-416521325
http://ladycyrenius.deviantart.com/...hranduil-2-446672518
http://iary.deviantart.com/...e-them-all-410893275
http://candra.deviantart.com/...f-Mirkwood-392921617
http://kolsangel.deviantart.com/art/Thranduil-433841581
http://candra.deviantart.com/...rk-Lantern-365265798
http://miyucchi.deviantart.com/...never-dies-399377224
http://super-fan-wallpapers.deviantart.com/art/Thranduil-383259576
http://thaikiuchiha.deviantart.com/art/Thranduil-443197387
http://candra.deviantart.com/...n-Mirkwood-414567211
http://rigan323.tumblr.com/post/87919229397
[for legolas lasses] http://maya-notliketheother.deviantart.com/art/Legolas-425545951
[modernity] http://tsukiiyo.deviantart.com/...s-in-suits-456314067
[modernity]http://mformadness.deviantart.com/...lves-again-453780190


lol
http://lesliedepps.tumblr.com/post/87502765621
http://poizonsss.tumblr.com/...690420/mirkwood-cats
http://applepie1989.deviantart.com/...VER-Happen-345997546
http://alpha-blaziken.tumblr.com/...1987/good-guy-sauron


Garret
Pics (he can so be Numenorean... or Gambit)
http://stillabrit.tumblr.com/...t-part-of-bd2-for-me


Roy
Fanart http://eoweniel.deviantart.com/...ve-my-soul-443190604


Roman
gif http://mybabybop.tumblr.com/...pace-possession-gifs


Joe
pic
http://kkwings.tumblr.com/post/87576311450
http://elllebelle.tumblr.com/...re-episode-2-preview
http://lee-pace-everyday.tumblr.com/...-halt-and-catch-fire
http://volkovajuli.tumblr.com/post/87583047790
http://stewardish.tumblr.com/post/87555700929
http://lees-pace.tumblr.com/post/87733338945
http://stewardish.tumblr.com/...ode-2-photos-by-tina


hacf writeups/interviews
http://seriable.com/...ease-character-arcs/
http://www.indiewire.com/...on-the-new-amc-drama
http://www.indiewire.com/...2#articleHeaderPanel
http://www.bustle.com/...ng-a-baker-a-vampire
http://mobile.theverge.com/...e-season-1-episode-1
http://www.zap2it.com/...es_pie_maker-2014-06


Ned
pic (Looks like Ned had a Thranduil caught by surprise at Thorin's vitriolic moment)
http://leepaceily.tumblr.com/...-as-ned-the-piemaker


LP
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http://dailypace.tumblr.com/post/87544029693
http://lee-paces-smile.tumblr.com/...-this-picture-of-him
http://dailypace.tumblr.com/...t-weekly-30-under-30
http://dailypace.tumblr.com/post/87571769708
http://dailypace.tumblr.com/post/87515035365
http://dailypace.tumblr.com/post/87477974357
http://dailypace.tumblr.com/post/87496264766
http://hobbitjt.tumblr.com/post/87589171617
http://misslolasworld.tumblr.com/...te-lee-for-your-dash
http://lee-pace-everyday.tumblr.com/...all-with-carson-daly














[EI alert]
http://lanka-ultra.deviantart.com/...-Thranduil-449738173


Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


(This post was edited by Lurker in the Mirk on Jun 13 2014, 3:21pm)


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 13 2014, 4:13pm


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     Master of Laketown and Thranduil


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Or, if it were perceived to have some element of social standing, would a person of self-importance, eg the Master of Laketown, like to apply the term to himself - due to successful trade with the Woodland Realm which he may feel he controls. (just wild speculation there.)

Hmm... now I have a mental image of the Master meeting Thranduil, all puffed up with importance but then simply deflating under that regal gaze.

There's another meeting I'm looking forward to seeing! The Master, underneath all of his pomp and circumstance, is really just a simpering coward. He likes to act like he's "all that", but I'd love to see what happens when someone like Thranduil, who really is "all that" shows up in person. Honestly, I think the Master is extremely intimidated by the mere thought of Thranduil, if he isn't outright afraid of him. Like Bard said when the dwarves first meet him in DOS, "The Master would see you in irons before he risks the wrath of king Thranduil."

Thranduil is everything that the Master wishes he could be and pretends that he is, but if and when they meet face to face in BotFA, I imagine it being a rather pathetic display on the Master's part, full of lots of flattery, groveling, and general butt-kissing. Then, I picture Thranduil either totally ignoring him, or saying something fabulously snarky, and only interacting with Bard from that point on.


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Yes it is an interesting concept. And I wonder how the concept would be perceived amongst the world of men, whether it would be something people - through the fickleness of human nature - might be slightly suspicious of.

Not being very well-read in Tolkien yet, I don't know if he addressed it or not, but I always wonder if there were any groups of men who didn't like elves or were distrustful of them in general. In LOTR and TH, it seemed like the two people groups were fine with each other for the most part, but, like you said, "the fickleness of human nature," most likely caused some issues between them at some point.

On the other hand, I know for sure that Tolkien wrote about some elves that didn't like men in general. I started reading The Children of Hurin last night and during the first chapter, after Hurin and his brother (Huor?) have been in Gondolin for about a year and finally convince king Turgon to release them, this elf is mentioned (I think his name was Maeglin?) who it said didn't like men or any of their kin and wasn't happy about the great favor Turgon had shown towards Hurin and Huor. Basically, he didn't believe that they wouldn't just go blab about everything they had seen in Gondolin the second they got back home, and they had to swear an oath of silence in order for him to be happy. Well..."happy" relatively speaking anyway. He still didn't seem to like them.


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The dwarves were also 'accused' of being elf-friends. I was reading TH last night, where the Great Goblin yells "Murderers and elf-friends! ... Slash them! Beat them!..." etc. He's recognised the swords of Gondolin of course, but I wonder if the dwarves felt insulted, on top of the physical attack they were undergoing.

Lol. Yeah, I bet the dwarves were highly insulted at being called elf-friends! I can hear it now...Thorin says to the Great Goblin: "I can take a little torture and slave-labor, but calling us elf friends? That's low even for you!"Tongue

"Love woke me up this morning
With a memory
Love came and whispered a story
That awakened a dream,

I am a dreamer, take me higher
Open the sky up, start a fire
I believe even if it's just a dream"
~"Dreamer" by Bethany Dillon



Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 13 2014, 7:01pm


Views: 4764
     Some thoughts on gifs and pics


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Oh, 1 question: Do you know when I post an image, clicking on it (usually) leads to the source image or source page where the image came from?

Yes, I knew that and I click them on a regular basis. Smile

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Another one: is anyone, besides Kerewyn, Eruvandi, vanima, even interested in these? Should I think about purveying them via PM to them instead?

Even if no one else is interested, I don’t see why you should have to purvey these via PM. This is the Thranduil Appreciation Thread after all and these things are about Thranduil and for the general appreciation of him. Even if they’re about LP’s other roles, IMO, it still counts because LP is Thranduil and knowing more about his acting in general helps us to appreciate his approach to Thranduil even more! Cool




Thoughts on some of the various gifs, pics, etc:

The first gif: http://cleanxfamous.tumblr.com/...nterrogating-the-orc

It’s interesting to watch where Thranduil is looking as he gives his dramatic monologue in this scene. He starts by looking at the orc, then off into the distance, then back at the orc, then slowly up at Legolas and watches him for a second, then glances to Tauriel before looking back at the orc and standing, arms crossed, behind it.

It makes me wonder, first of all, how often do the elves of Mirkwood capture bad guys and do official interrogations? By “official interrogations,” I mean, prisoner with hands tied behind back, on his knees with knife to throat, feeling threatened, not just being questioned with no threat like what they did with the dwarves. The reason I ask, is that the whole thing with the orc feels like they (at least Thranduil and Legolas) have done this before, or at least really know what they’re doing. So, does Thranduil always give a speech before they interrogate someone? In this case, the things he was saying, plus the way we was looking around made it seem like he was doing it just as much to intimidate the orc as to make a point about the evils of the outside world with Legolas and Tauriel, IMO.


The gifs on this page: http://lee-pace-everyday.tumblr.com/...ction-diaries-behind

First of all, I love the funny face/flailing arms LP does in the gif of the reaction to the Happy Hobbit reaction! Heart

In the gif directly below that, I totally didn’t realize that was him hugging Jed Brophy. Is it just me or is it a little odd how, in several of the vlogs they cut so suddenly to a shot of LP that if you’re not paying attention, you barely realize it’s him? It’s like, dwarf, dwarf, dwarf, dwarf, elf!, dwarf, dwarf, dwarf. Tongue

Going down two gifs from there and then to the gif on the left, I totally didn’t realize that was OB doing elven movement training with LP. I recognized Terry Notary in the background, but for some reason I totally overlooked OB this whole time! Guess I got distracted by the fabulous and assumed he was another trainer or something. Sorry OB!Blush

Down one gif and one to the right. To a certain extent, the elven movement training in that one almost looks like he’s doing thai chi.

Bottom left gif. *giggles with glee* He looks so goooood when he wields a sword! *thud* Laugh

Bottom right gif. Can we please get a Thrandy smile in BotFA, pleeeeeeeease? He has such a nice smile, and it’s not like it’s going to break his face to smile just once! He could smile at Bilbo because Bilbo makes everyone smile and feel an inexplicable urge to hug him. Smile


The pics here: http://babybarnes23.tumblr.com/...-realm-on-his-throne

I’m looking at the fourth picture down. The one that’s bigger and longer than the others where Thranduil is sitting fabulously while looking right at the camera. Whenever my mom sees that one, she says Thranduil looks just like a little boy who’s pouting because his feelings got hurt! Lol! WinkTongue


This: http://tolkienismyreligion.tumblr.com/...palace-alan-lee-this Pretty!Smile

Wow! Still lot's of links left to click! I'll have to work my way through them this weekend!Cool

"Love woke me up this morning
With a memory
Love came and whispered a story
That awakened a dream,

I am a dreamer, take me higher
Open the sky up, start a fire
I believe even if it's just a dream"
~"Dreamer" by Bethany Dillon



Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 14 2014, 1:01am


Views: 4761
     The goodies stay public, some thoughts plus a little CHOW



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Oh, 1 question: Do you know when I post an image, clicking on it (usually) leads to the source image or source page where the image came from?
Yes, I knew that and I click them on a regular basis. Smile

Oh goodies! I was just wondering since I forgot to indicate that sometimes.




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Another one: is anyone, besides Kerewyn, Eruvandi, vanima, even interested in these? Should I think about purveying them via PM to them instead?
Even if no one else is interested, I don’t see why you should have to purvey these via PM. This is the Thranduil Appreciation Thread after all and these things are about Thranduil and for the general appreciation of him. Even if they’re about LP’s other roles, IMO, it still counts because LP is Thranduil and knowing more about his acting in general helps us to appreciate his approach to Thranduil even more! Cool

Ah good! Looking at the long list of stuff, I was suddenly thinking, "what the hell am I doing, spamming the thread, annoying others or maybe causing unlooked-for sensory overload" Blush So it shall be. Until I hear violent objections Laugh



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It’s interesting to watch where Thranduil is looking as he gives his dramatic monologue in this scene. He starts by looking at the orc, then off into the distance, then back at the orc, then slowly up at Legolas and watches him for a second, then glances to Tauriel before looking back at the orc and standing, arms crossed, behind it.

It makes me wonder, first of all, how often do the elves of Mirkwood capture bad guys and do official interrogations? By “official interrogations,” I mean, prisoner with hands tied behind back, on his knees with knife to throat, feeling threatened, not just being questioned with no threat like what they did with the dwarves. The reason I ask, is that the whole thing with the orc feels like they (at least Thranduil and Legolas) have done this before, or at least really know what they’re doing. So, does Thranduil always give a speech before they interrogate someone? In this case, the things he was saying, plus the way we was looking around made it seem like he was doing it just as much to intimidate the orc as to make a point about the evils of the outside world with Legolas and Tauriel, IMO.




Strangely, I recall when I first got on the net looking for the vid and screencaps to it, I came across some weird comments/questions about why Thranduil was looking at Legolas, Tauriel, the orc etc etc. Maybe it was due to the lack of context when the commentators first saw it. But imo, the way this scene played out/was designed interesting.

As you say, Eruvandi, it is a dramatic monologue. It serves the purpose of laying the groundwork of showing us Thranduil's thoughts and opinions on evil, and also the dangers the Realm faced continually. Bleak, portentous, and pessimistic, and "In time, all foul things come forth" gives that sense of inevitability (don't cue agent Elrond please Smile), and has accents of a unspoken promise of what happens to foul things that come forth, mess around in the Woodland Realm and land in the Elves' hands.

The Elves probably didn't take prisoners as a matter of course. By that, I mean the nature of the foes they faced in their day-to-day didn't necessitate the need usually. Spiders? Kill on sight. Orcs? Kill on sight. Wargs? Kill on sight. Anything disagreeable and not obviously a member of the Free Peoples? Kill on sight. *sorry, couldn't resist a little nod to Toothless and Hiccup*

Because, basically, their homeland security policy is simply (I may not be quoting it rightly) "keep our lands clear of those foul things", based on Thranduil's plan to just endure while the world went to hell and back essentially. Having said that, these are Elves after all, even rustic ones. So there must have occasion where they did take prisoners, just to gather intelligence in the name of homeland security if nothing else. So yes, Thranduil and Legolas would have done it before. Though I imagine it is not often that Thranduil took part himself - too majestic for the usual grunt to bear looking at, and a waste of his time just cos grunts who squeal at the first knife glint don't usually have intel worth his time or effort. But with this orc though, he was probably curious about anything they could find out about the orcs' pursuit, and maybe he wanted the practice. Or he may be doing trainer assessment on Legolas and Tauriel's interrogation skillz? Tongue

The script did pick a great point to give us this soliloquy. Where else could Thranduil say it without it sounding like overwrought melodrama (not that the choices were many to begin with Mad), and it does segue well into the orc beheading, in lieu of a flashback to the Last Alliance and Thranduil's personal experience/outlook from the War plus serve as another reminder to Legolas and Tauriel about why they should . I wonder how much thought and planning did PJ and Thranduil, I mean LP, do in the blocking about how he should portray it. Where Thranduil looked as he spoke, and essentially prowled around his prey, felt very naturalistic and organic to me.

(feels like we're doing a mini CHOW right here doesn't it?)



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First of all, I love the funny face/flailing arms LP does in the gif of the reaction to the Happy Hobbit reaction! Heart

heheh... Thranduil having fun is a rare sight eh?



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In the gif directly below that, I totally didn’t realize that was him hugging Jed Brophy. Is it just me or is it a little odd how, in several of the vlogs they cut so suddenly to a shot of LP that if you’re not paying attention, you barely realize it’s him? It’s like, dwarf, dwarf, dwarf, dwarf, elf!, dwarf, dwarf, dwarf. Tongue

ikr?! When I first came across the tag, I did a double-take, went back to the vlog and yup... that's the same grey tee (I think) and hair LP had in the bottom right gif, plus look at the height and broad back... gotta be him. It's like let's play spot-the-elf-guy. Thanks to the eagle-eyed fans inhabiting tumblr.



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Going down two gifs from there and then to the gif on the left, I totally didn’t realize that was OB doing elven movement training with LP. I recognized Terry Notary in the background, but for some reason I totally overlooked OB this whole time! Guess I got distracted by the fabulous and assumed he was another trainer or something. Sorry OB!Blush

me too. Apologies to OB



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Bottom left gif. *giggles with glee* He looks so goooood when he wields a sword! *thud* Laugh

You know, with his gunslinging turn in The Fall, and now cool swordwielding cred, it would be nice to see him in a cool movie franchise. Was thinking the Dark Tower just in terms of concept, but I've not read the thing yet and can't quite justify any role. Nothing else is coming to mind right now. Any thoughts?



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Bottom right gif. Can we please get a Thrandy smile in BotFA, pleeeeeeeease? He has such a nice smile, and it’s not like it’s going to break his face to smile just once! He could smile at Bilbo because Bilbo makes everyone smile and feel an inexplicable urge to hug him. Smile

Yes please! That smirk in the Thorin questioning scene, while fabulous, doesn't quite count.



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I’m looking at the fourth picture down. The one that’s bigger and longer than the others where Thranduil is sitting fabulously while looking right at the camera. Whenever my mom sees that one, she says Thranduil looks just like a little boy who’s pouting because his feelings got hurt! Lol! WinkTongue

LOL he does look a little petulant there. Too ageless is the problem I think. Loved the gif though.



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That is one tumblr I've stuck on follow. It puts up Alan Lee and John Howe art a fair bit Heart




Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


(This post was edited by Lurker in the Mirk on Jun 14 2014, 1:03am)


Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 14 2014, 3:39am


Views: 4730
     The interrogation scene, and gif responses


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Oh, 1 question: Do you know when I post an image, clicking on it (usually) leads to the source image or source page where the image came from?

Yes, and that reminds me – I clicked on a pic of yours recently that linked to an article about The Fall that utterly delighted me. I’ve been meaning to talk about that, will soon! – caught up in our current topics at the moment.


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Even if no one else is interested, I don’t see why you should have to purvey these via PM. This is the Thranduil Appreciation Thread after all and these things are about Thranduil and for the general appreciation of him.

Agree! What Eruvandi says.


OK, now to check these links out.

On the orc interrogation scene: I went straight to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz3I7HCsMOU to watch the full thing again, for the first time since the big screen. Yes the camera work here is just wonderful, teasing us before showing us the full scene, and so allowing us to focus on what Thranduil is saying.

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Or he may be doing trainer assessment on Legolas and Tauriel's interrogation skillz?

I like this notion that he is also carefully watching Legolas and Tauriel. He is certainly quick to dismiss Tauriel when she has perhaps breached his method by threatening the orc with death. (and certainly, an interrogation is less successful when the subject is dead) It gives the impression that he is intending to keep the orc alive, which is why it’s all the more enjoyably unexpected when he ‘frees his wretched head from his miserable shoulders’ (I so love that line!) Certainly Legolas looks a bit stunned.

We’re also looking at Tauriel when Thranduil says he does not care about one dead dwarf. That dwarf being her new friend of course, and following on from him telling her that ‘other lands are not my concern’, we receive a particularly steely-hearted view of Thranduil from this… and I can’t help wondering if she is having thoughts of rebellion or disillusion. This could be where her determination to head out and give aid is cemented.

When Legolas says ”There is no king under the mountain, nor will there ever be. None will enter Erebor while the dragon lives”… I wonder if he is talking with complete conviction, or whether it’s a denial tactic, aiming to keep the orc boastfully talking.

S’funny, when I saw this scene in the film, I didn’t realise it took place in the throne room, even though the setting is quite clear, with the pillars and the steps. Possibly because we see it at a different angle to his scene with Thorin. But my perception was that this is taking place on a platform much lower in the palace, closer to either the dungeons, or the gates. It’s a perception I am still having trouble shaking. Yes it’s the throne room but it seems like somewhere else, to me.

Random responses to gifs:

Re ‘Serpents of the north’ -- and the gifs of LP, OB and EL reacting to what they’re watching – how I would love to have seen LP’s reaction when he first ever saw the scars they CGI’d onto his face. That would be priceless!

http://lee-pace-everyday.tumblr.com/...tation-and-rejection…. Thranduil’s ‘state visit’ costume is truly a design that looks awesome from behind. The pattern and symmetry of his flash of white hair falling into that triangle that starts at those broad shoulders and falls to a point mid-back. And the crown above, and the colours. I find the aesthetics here very pleasing.

http://mybabybop.tumblr.com/...02/thrandy-eye-candy
– I love “Why do you linger in the shadows”, with Thranduil’s face as seen through Bilbo’s ring-bound eyes. Haven't seen this gif'd before.

http://babybarnes23.tumblr.com/...-realm-on-his-throne Like in that large central image here, sometimes I catch a glimpse of the lower pointy tip of Thranduil’s crown, as it edges below his cheekbone, and it reminds me of the modern microphone head set that many dancers / singers / entertainers use these days (of which Madonna was an early adaptor) It just furthers that sense of rock star fabulosity. Cool

I too shall follow up with further thoughts on these plentiful links!

Side note: I have been trekking through The Walking Dead S2, under slight pressure as it’s been lent by a friend, and I like to counteract the violence and grotesqueness by following each viewing with an episode of Pushing Daisies. Last night I watched PD S2 Ep4 and counted at no less than four adorable head tilts.Heart (it could be a drinking game!) This is a much nicer note to go to bed on.

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)


Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 14 2014, 3:55am


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     Maeglin


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On the other hand, I know for sure that Tolkien wrote about some elves that didn't like men in general. I started reading The Children of Hurin last night and during the first chapter, after Hurin and his brother (Huor?) have been in Gondolin for about a year and finally convince king Turgon to release them, this elf is mentioned (I think his name was Maeglin?) who it said didn't like men or any of their kin and wasn't happy about the great favor Turgon had shown towards Hurin and Huor. Basically, he didn't believe that they wouldn't just go blab about everything they had seen in Gondolin the second they got back home, and they had to swear an oath of silence in order for him to be happy. Well..."happy" relatively speaking anyway. He still didn't seem to like them.


Ooh, do you know, Maeglin is the only Elf I really remember, from having read half the Sil eight years ago. He gets his own chapter (16). Generally, he is a bit of a cunning, unlikeable character, and I am intrigued by the images of him - dressed all in black - in my copy's gorgeous Ted Nasmith illustrations.
There's even a Maeglin appreciation thread in the Reading Room ..http://newboards.theonering.net/...;;page=unread#unread though I'm not remotely familiar enough to partake in it. So there is more about him in CoH? Great Evil

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)

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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 14 2014, 4:20am


Views: 4762
     Elf-friends

How did I miss this discussion??



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Kerewyn
The dwarves were also 'accused' of being elf-friends. I was reading TH last night, where the Great Goblin yells "Murderers and elf-friends! ... Slash them! Beat them!..." etc. He's recognised the swords of Gondolin of course, but I wonder if the dwarves felt insulted, on top of the physical attack they were undergoing.


Eruvandi
Lol. Yeah, I bet the dwarves were highly insulted at being called elf-friends! I can hear it now...Thorin says to the Great Goblin: "I can take a little torture and slave-labor, but calling us elf friends? That's low even for you!"Tongue

I can imagine the Great Goblin's surprise and retort to being called low by a Dwarf. "Low? Low? You have no notion of low, you warmongering dwarf runt!"



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Not being very well-read in Tolkien yet, I don't know if he addressed it or not, but I always wonder if there were any groups of men who didn't like elves or were distrustful of them in general. In LOTR and TH, it seemed like the two people groups were fine with each other for the most part, but, like you said, "the fickleness of human nature," most likely caused some issues between them at some point.

On the other hand, I know for sure that Tolkien wrote about some elves that didn't like men in general. I started reading The Children of Hurin last night and during the first chapter, after Hurin and his brother (Huor?) have been in Gondolin for about a year and finally convince king Turgon to release them, this elf is mentioned (I think his name was Maeglin?) who it said didn't like men or any of their kin and wasn't happy about the great favor Turgon had shown towards Hurin and Huor. Basically, he didn't believe that they wouldn't just go blab about everything they had seen in Gondolin the second they got back home, and they had to swear an oath of silence in order for him to be happy. Well..."happy" relatively speaking anyway. He still didn't seem to like them.

Sounds deliciously gloomy - can't wait til I get into CoH when my order arrives Heart

Re: Elves and Men, and the estrangement thereof. I have not done my Silm re-reading, so this is a bit tough to set in the right context, but basically, the Elves started out viewing Men as some sort of new kid-brother whom Eru favoured (they can die), while Men, aside from the Edain, in general viewed Elves as too high and mighty. The Elf-Man alliance was always restricted to the nobility among Men I think. The Wars in the First Age had Elves and the high-born Men from the 3 houses of Edain on one side, and essentially every other race of Men on Morgoth's side. As time went on, Elves basically didn't even want anything to do with saving Middle-earth since it was not for them but for Men really - even the LA was a reluctant act of necessity because of the strength of Sauron's threat. Even in LotR, in Rivendell and particularly the Council of Elrond, it was directly mentioned or alluded to by the attendees, including Elrond, Aragorn, Boromir and Gandalf. Especially the finding and keeping of the Ring by Isildur which Elrond rued in his account. So in summary, yes, there are men who distrusted Elves and the feeling is generally mutual.

Re Maeglin. He is a badass
, along with Maedhros (he really had daddy issues Tongue ) Eh, I shouldn't say more since my own mem is so rusty.



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There's another meeting I'm looking forward to seeing! The Master, underneath all of his pomp and circumstance, is really just a simpering coward. He likes to act like he's "all that", but I'd love to see what happens when someone like Thranduil, who really is "all that" shows up in person. Honestly, I think the Master is extremely intimidated by the mere thought of Thranduil, if he isn't outright afraid of him. Like Bard said when the dwarves first meet him in DOS, "The Master would see you in irons before he risks the wrath of king Thranduil."

Thranduil is everything that the Master wishes he could be and pretends that he is, but if and when they meet face to face in BotFA, I imagine it being a rather pathetic display on the Master's part, full of lots of flattery, groveling, and general butt-kissing. Then, I picture Thranduil either totally ignoring him, or saying something fabulously snarky, and only interacting with Bard from that point on.

Great points, Kerewyn and Eruvandi. I imagined Thranduil and the Master might have met, just to seal the trade agreements, probably back when the Master first assumed power. But then, Thranduil has dealt with successive Masters surely so he might already have a proxy arrangement to stop wasting his time with trivials (plus he probably got tired of the simpering he invariably cause the other guy). Perhaps Legolas or one of the unknown elf-lords of his court has charge of trade negotiations. But regardless, Thranduil might come face-to-face with the Master when he tows his army along to Erebor, especially if the Master was trying to one-up Bard's legitimacy. If this is the first meeting this Master has with Thranduil, he's going to be in for an encounter of a lifetime. Wonder what part Alfrid's would have to play in it all though. I'd like to see some snark, and maybe it won't be dished out by Thranduil directly, but for completeness, the Master and Alfrid will have to be put in place before the party moves to Erebor eh?Smile






Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 14 2014, 4:24am


Views: 4683
     Woodlands Weekend redux - The Legolas Edition

So I posted these in the "Elves make the battles less epic..." thread and thought I'd share them here as well.






(It's a comic-strip)

A keepsake, for old times' sake



Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 14 2014, 4:56am


Views: 4679
     The Fall, and interrogatino thoughts + GIF appreciation


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Yes, and that reminds me – I clicked on a pic of yours recently that linked to an article about The Fall that utterly delighted me. I’ve been meaning to talk about that, will soon! – caught up in our current topics at the moment.

Cool! Waiting for your review Smile



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I like this notion that he is also carefully watching Legolas and Tauriel. He is certainly quick to dismiss Tauriel when she has perhaps breached his method by threatening the orc with death.

Love how in control Thranduil is, and the self-control of Elves re Tauriel's immediate pause mid-rush even though she seemed fully intent on giving orc-death. He doesn't even need to physically intervene. Heart



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It gives the impression that he is intending to keep the orc alive, which is why it’s all the more enjoyably unexpected when he ‘frees his wretched head from his miserable shoulders’ (I so love that line!) Certainly Legolas looks a bit stunned.

Agreed! When even Legolas was surprised, it tells us things were not going to plan. I liked how rattled Thranduil seemed for those brief moments. And Legolas seemed not have really picked up on the personal impact to his dad, a testament to Thranduil's capability and tendency to keep things to himself.



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We’re also looking at Tauriel when Thranduil says he does not care about one dead dwarf. That dwarf being her new friend of course, and following on from him telling her that ‘other lands are not my concern’, we receive a particularly steely-hearted view of Thranduil from this… and I can’t help wondering if she is having thoughts of rebellion or disillusion. This could be where her determination to head out and give aid is cemented.

Yup, I see it in her demeanor too. Wonder what punishment Thranduil's going to dish out for such wilful insubordination when all's said and done.



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When Legolas says ”There is no king under the mountain, nor will there ever be. None will enter Erebor while the dragon lives”… I wonder if he is talking with complete conviction, or whether it’s a denial tactic, aiming to keep the orc boastfully talking.

It seems to be dismissive conviction on Legolas' part, especially if he was privy to the audience Thorin had with Thranduil. But Thranduil's interest was certainly piqued enough that he started his prowling again. (Love the sense of stillness LP gives Thranduil even when in motion)



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S’funny, when I saw this scene in the film, I didn’t realise it took place in the throne room, even though the setting is quite clear, with the pillars and the steps. Possibly because we see it at a different angle to his scene with Thorin. But my perception was that this is taking place on a platform much lower in the palace, closer to either the dungeons, or the gates. It’s a perception I am still having trouble shaking. Yes it’s the throne room but it seems like somewhere else, to me.

I was surprised too that it took place not in the dungeons or some other place more appropriate. I guess the residents of the Halls didn't need to be babied, and Thranduil subscribes to open-door policy much. Or it could just be that with the Dwarves' escape, concerns about the security of the dungeons might have forced the decision to conduct the interrogation elsewhere until they can identify and plug the breach. Though I pity the elves who have clean-up duty.



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Re ‘Serpents of the north’ -- and the gifs of LP, OB and EL reacting to what they’re watching – how I would love to have seen LP’s reaction when he first ever saw the scars they CGI’d onto his face. That would be priceless!

Hopefully there's a bonanza for Thralls on the EE. I'd like to see LP's reaction when he first saw himself in full Thranduil mode... and the on-set reaction when he first walked on.



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Thranduil’s ‘state visit’ costume is truly a design that looks awesome from behind. The pattern and symmetry of his flash of white hair falling into that triangle that starts at those broad shoulders and falls to a point mid-back. And the crown above, and the colours. I find the aesthetics here very pleasing.

Heart Kerewyn, that is pure EI!



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I love “Why do you linger in the shadows”, with Thranduil’s face as seen through Bilbo’s ring-bound eyes. Haven't seen this gif'd before.

Yeah, this is precious! Was quite happy to find the GIF Smile



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Like in that large central image here, sometimes I catch a glimpse of the lower pointy tip of Thranduil’s crown, as it edges below his cheekbone, and it reminds me of the modern microphone head set that many dancers / singers / entertainers use these days (of which Madonna was an early adaptor) It just furthers that sense of rock star fabulosity. Cool

LoL I get that same vibe! And I like how it emphasized the pain when the right side quivered as Thranduil goes through his facemelt.



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Side note: I have been trekking through The Walking Dead S2, under slight pressure as it’s been lent by a friend, and I like to counteract the violence and grotesqueness by following each viewing with an episode of Pushing Daisies. Last night I watched PD S2 Ep4 and counted at no less than four adorable head tilts.Heart (it could be a drinking game!) This is a much nicer note to go to bed on.

Sound strategy! Loved David Arquette in this too. His character and Ned had such common ground and yet are polar opposites with their circumstance/vocation. It was fun watching Ned delicately work his way around. Tongue





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Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 14 2014, 5:01am


Views: 4674
     Oooh, thanks for the link, Kerewyn

I really should start organising the Tolkien links and resources for my own sanity. Otherwise I'm like Bilbo turning Bag End upside down every other day. Tongue I think I'll start with that blog idea, and see how that goes.


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Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 15 2014, 2:17am


Views: 4676
     Virtual read-along for the Silm

Kerewyn, Eruvandi,

You might be interested in this:
http://askmiddlearth.tumblr.com/...ing-july-18-2014-the

Right, off to do more oogling and work on that blog thingy. Tongue


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 15 2014, 1:39pm


Views: 4636
     Woodland Weekend redux' redux, and something cute for Daddy King

Happy Ada Day gif: http://monkeyscomics.tumblr.com/post/88849195017

(So I'm all caught up now, as far as I can tell, so this might be the last WW post from me for a long while)


Thranduil
pic http://legilimentis.tumblr.com/post/88159415603
http://bluebox11.tumblr.com/post/86109100627
http://aprilwindworld.tumblr.com/post/88406841830
gif
http://aprilwindworld.tumblr.com/post/88510382235
Fanart
http://legilimentis.tumblr.com/post/88069679688
http://deadscroll.deviantart.com/...nt-a-drink-458914134
http://cudzinec.deviantart.com/...Waterfalll-458938698
http://lee-pace-everyday.tumblr.com/post/88144381451
http://evankart.tumblr.com/post/88078108134
http://alconoxt.tumblr.com/post/88119546891
http://official-bilbo-baggins.tumblr.com/post/88401503294
http://yassena.tumblr.com/post/88492555491
http://tenshi-serpah.tumblr.com/post/88486601829
http://helesssart.deviantart.com/...A-few-warm-439261514
http://helesssart.deviantart.com/art/Farewell-434843942
http://doitsuki.tumblr.com/post/88658270141
LoL
(Random trilogy crossover) http://loki-laufeyson-king.tumblr.com/post/88313740068/lol
http://mxrkwood-princess.tumblr.com/post/88415532172
http://grimapparitions.tumblr.com/post/88704958696


PD
gif
http://jacclo.tumblr.com/post/88087848977
pic
[EI warning ] http://paceleegrinner.tumblr.com/post/88122973987
http://babybarnes23.tumblr.com/post/88249290916
LOL
http://ladypaceofmirkwood.tumblr.com/post/88794989832



HCF
Pic
http://inquire-within-yourself.tumblr.com/post/88110533173
http://capriccio-vinci.tumblr.com/post/88656497133
[EI warning... Question: how long before we see Thranduil's head on this bod? ]http://elllebelle.tumblr.com/post/88268582883
http://inquire-within-yourself.tumblr.com/post/88277026343
gif
http://haltamc.tumblr.com/post/88181389084
[EI warning for that lower right corner bitty] http://sufjaneds.tumblr.com/post/88253650715
http://observer.com/...halt-and-catch-fire/
[spoiler... Episode2 review... seems like its going up ] http://m.rollingstone.com/...140608#add-a-comment
LoL http://rcaftb.tumblr.com/post/88088913138


LP & assorted roles
Pic
http://dailypace.tumblr.com/post/88698207846
http://dailypace.tumblr.com/post/88703860999
http://dailypace.tumblr.com/post/88787655490
Vid
http://lee-pace-everyday.tumblr.com/post/88058555606
Garrett [definitely really gives me Gambit vibes here]
http://mylifeasthepiemaker.tumblr.com/post/88437229790
http://maivolchica.tumblr.com/post/88665062771
http://hellofeanor.tumblr.com/post/88627723560/ The Red Bandit
http://leepacey.tumblr.com/post/88702538357


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Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 16 2014, 12:27am


Views: 4595
     Thanks Lurker!

Wow, that looks great! I'm only on chapter five ("Turin in Doriath") of The Children of Hurin, though, so I doubt I'll be finished in three days. But maybe, since the read-along goes all the way through November, I'll be able to catch up, or at least follow the old posts when I get to that point.

That read-along trailer looked great too! I love how they combined footage from both the LOTR and TH movies. It really worked well!Heart Although, *cough* I did notice, right around 3 minutes, 45 seconds that they slipped a little Tron: Legacy movie footage in too!Wink Lol.

Btw, I'm really enjoying The Children of Hurin! It's definitely more grim than LOTR and I know a lot of the characters won't get a happy ending, but it's still Tolkien's writing and it's great to see the world of Middle Earth expanded. There are also lots of elves mixed in with the grim people and elves always make me happy!Smile

"Love woke me up this morning
With a memory
Love came and whispered a story
That awakened a dream,

I am a dreamer, take me higher
Open the sky up, start a fire
I believe even if it's just a dream"
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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 16 2014, 1:53am


Views: 4625
     Organic acting and future roles

First, Leggy and Thrandy in the same pic makes my little heart very happy!Heart


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The Elves probably didn't take prisoners as a matter of course. By that, I mean the nature of the foes they faced in their day-to-day didn't necessitate the need usually. Spiders? Kill on sight. Orcs? Kill on sight. Wargs? Kill on sight. Anything disagreeable and not obviously a member of the Free Peoples? Kill on sight. *sorry, couldn't resist a little nod to Toothless and Hiccup*

Lol! I always love a good How to Train Your Dragon reference!


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Where Thranduil looked as he spoke, and essentially prowled around his prey, felt very naturalistic and organic to me.

Yes, it felt that way to me too. I wonder, since a lot of the actors said they'd give a slightly different performances on each take of a certain scene, if a lot of how LP played this scene was done that way too, on a whim, hence the reason it feels natural instead forced or practiced. Of course, I'm sure he was told to walk from point A to point B by going *this* way since that's how we've got the cameras and lighting set up, but that still gives a lot of leeway for LP to play with *how* he walks from point A to point B.Smile


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You know, with his gunslinging turn in The Fall, and now cool swordwielding cred, it would be nice to see him in a cool movie franchise. Was thinking the Dark Tower just in terms of concept, but I've not read the thing yet and can't quite justify any role. Nothing else is coming to mind right now. Any thoughts?

Ooooh, I'm terrible at thinking of roles that would be good for certain actors! Really, I think LP can play just about any role he sets his mind to since he always gives 110% of himself to every role and has already shown what a wide range he has. Hey, I've heard they're preparing to do a sequel to TRON: Legacy. Maybe he could be in that! He'd be great as both a "User" or a kick-butt "Program" and he'd look great in the form-fitting outfits!Wink

"Love woke me up this morning
With a memory
Love came and whispered a story
That awakened a dream,

I am a dreamer, take me higher
Open the sky up, start a fire
I believe even if it's just a dream"
~"Dreamer" by Bethany Dillon



Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 16 2014, 8:16am


Views: 4608
     Read-along blog

This looks absolutely ideal - exactly the kind of thing I was after! I am so going to take part - thanks for this link!


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Wow, that looks great! I'm only on chapter five ("Turin in Doriath") of The Children of Hurin, though, so I doubt I'll be finished in three days


Psst, Eruvandi, it's a July 18 start. Laugh You still have plenty of time!

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)


Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 16 2014, 10:11am


Views: 4584
     Master grovelling, elf-handling, PD, plethora of links


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Thranduil is everything that the Master wishes he could be and pretends that he is, but if and when they meet face to face in BotFA, I imagine it being a rather pathetic display on the Master's part, full of lots of flattery, groveling, and general butt-kissing. Then, I picture Thranduil either totally ignoring him, or saying something fabulously snarky, and only interacting with Bard from that point on.


Eruvandi I totally Heart this scene you have pictured there.

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Love how in control Thranduil is, and the self-control of Elves re Tauriel's immediate pause mid-rush even though she seemed fully intent on giving orc-death. He doesn't even need to physically intervene.


Imagine if he did need to! I am thinking two scenarios. (1) Tauriel swings her blade into action, but Thranduil is faster still and parries her, perhaps flinging her sword from her hand. (2) Physically restraining her. Probably a smooth minimalist martial arts-style move, one that wouldn’t physically hurt her but would perhaps place her arm behind her back. I wonder if he has ever had to manhandle – or make that elfhandle – his elves.



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Sound strategy! Loved David Arquette in this too. His character and Ned had such common ground and yet are polar opposites with their circumstance/vocation. It was fun watching Ned delicately work his way around.


Re PD, it took me a while to get into the swing of it. I watched most of (rented) season 1,thinking “yeah this is kinda quirky”, and basically just Ned-watching intensely. But it wasn’t until near the end, with the couple of episodes featuring Paul Reubens whom I’d forgotten how much I adore, that I started to really get sucked in, and love the other characters, and feel invested in the story, and love the existential banter between Ned and Chuck, and so on. Then I found season 2 in a 3nd-hand shop and, being fully aware that after this there is no more, I am feeding it to myself very slowly. Allocating an episode as a treat, or a zombie antidote. I am a ‘delayed gratification’ person, quite able to draw something out for a highly enjoyable prolonged period of anticipation, rather than splurge on it all at once, as much as part of me wants to. (this attitude is also assisting in my wait for the EE!)



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(So I'm all caught up now, as far as I can tell, so this might be the last WW post from me for a long while)


And your mission has been to be totally up to date on the latest tumblr offerings?? Wow, sterling work. Heart You have given and given!! I am eternally grateful for all this LP goodness. But yes, I am still catching up on your previous donations. Take a rest from trawling the net.

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)


Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 16 2014, 12:48pm


Views: 4576
     Linkee responses, and a nice John Howe Mirkwood

At last, time. Looking through the fan art and tumblr links from previous page. So much eye candy. Heart Nice Roman gifs. And I love the cartooning, such as the ‘what can never happen’ link! HeartHeart
These HACF images are all I can get of the show – can’t even watch the trailers because of zoning. (Of course I could try to use that tool to get around it…. haven’t tackled that yet)

I am kinda thrilled because- without looking at or copying any other images - I have done a tiny sketch of my own. Though it is not even remotely starting to get anywhere near the talent on deviant art – I might say that my minimalist lines could possibly be conceived to slightly resemble Thranduil. Maybe I’ll be brave enough to post it if I can get my scanning/nighttime photography issues sorted out.

(Btw Lurker, I haven’t fully forgotten the Sil family tree *puts it in bag to take to work scanner* )

In the meantime, I want to post this John Howe concept image from the DoS Chronicles. I love the poise and pose of this random Woodland Elf, spying on the dwarves.

(mods, hope this image not too large. Having photobucket link issues!)



'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)

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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 16 2014, 1:28pm


Views: 4551
     It's in July, Eruvandi


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I doubt I'll be finished in three days.

Do you think it'll work now? Smile



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Btw, I'm really enjoying The Children of Hurin! It's definitely more grim than LOTR and I know a lot of the characters won't get a happy ending, but it's still Tolkien's writing and it's great to see the world of Middle Earth expanded. There are also lots of elves mixed in with the grim people and elves always make me happy!

Cool! Thanks for the endorsement. Can't wait til I have it in my hands now. But of course I'd have to queue it, working through TH and LotR now, and preparing for the read-along, as in setting me blog Wink




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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 16 2014, 1:44pm


Views: 4554
     Leggy and Thrandy, roles and form-fitting costumes


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First, Leggy and Thrandy in the same pic makes my little heart very happy!Heart

Fanart in lieu of more live-action images Smile




Always a father firstTongue





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Yes, it felt that way to me too. I wonder, since a lot of the actors said they'd give a slightly different performances on each take of a certain scene, if a lot of how LP played this scene was done that way too, on a whim, hence the reason it feels natural instead forced or practiced. Of course, I'm sure he was told to walk from point A to point B by going *this* way since that's how we've got the cameras and lighting set up, but that still gives a lot of leeway for LP to play with *how* he walks from point A to point B.Smile

Absolutely! And if the powers that be are peering in, I want to state categorically: I WILL willingly sit and watch each and every frame of every take with Thranduil in it.Smile



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Lol! I always love a good How to Train Your Dragon reference!




Heart Toothless. He's surely got cat in his bloodline somewhere, they all do!


Such a cuddable size, though I think I'd end up in hospital with anaphylactic shock if my cats had his girth.



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Form-fitting outfits!

I've not watched Tron yet, but I can definitely go with great uniforms Evil




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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 16 2014, 1:50pm


Views: 4558
     See you there, Kerewyn

I'm so going to try this out too Smile



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Psst, Eruvandi, it's a July 18 start. Laugh You still have plenty of time!

LOL. I said the same to her as well. I think she's overdone the algebra immersion thingy. She needs to take a break, and stick around here more often Tongue




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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 16 2014, 2:15pm


Views: 4571
     elfhandling, PD


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Imagine if he did need to! I am thinking two scenarios. (1) Tauriel swings her blade into action, but Thranduil is faster still and parries her, perhaps flinging her sword from her hand. (2) Physically restraining her. Probably a smooth minimalist martial arts-style move, one that wouldn’t physically hurt her but would perhaps place her arm behind her back. I wonder if he has ever had to manhandle – or make that elfhandle – his elves.

Nice imaginings, Kerewyn. I'd like option 1, if only to see that beautiful sword in more frames Heart

Elfhandle... LOL, oh the images! Erm... is there a class for this? I wanna sign up! Blush I can think that he might have had to do something like that, probably in situations like when he first got back from the LA. I imagine years away and leaving someone else to take care of the homefront might have bred some malcontent when he got home, especially since Oropher passed so much earlier.



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Then I found season 2 in a 3nd-hand shop and, being fully aware that after this there is no more, I am feeding it to myself very slowly. Allocating an episode as a treat, or a zombie antidote. I am a ‘delayed gratification’ person, quite able to draw something out for a highly enjoyable prolonged period of anticipation, rather than splurge on it all at once, as much as part of me wants to. (this attitude is also assisting in my wait for the EE!)

Wow! And I thought one episode a night, weekends excluded was really thrifty. I feel like I splurged it all wantonly now. I need some of that delayed gratification ability. The EE wait is killing me.



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And your mission has been to be totally up to date on the latest tumblr offerings?? Wow, sterling work. Heart You have given and given!! I am eternally grateful for all this LP goodness. But yes, I am still catching up on your previous donations. Take a rest from trawling the net.

Yup, thanks to my OCD tendencies. But I didn't think the end would be here already. I thought I have months to go yet, even though I skipped and skimmed a lot of tumblrs and "stuff", and tried to focus only on the sites that tended to have
quality posts and shares. Sometimes I just give up, but I am calling it done Tongue Thanks, it's nice to find good stuff, and to share them where they're appreciated. Good ending point - I'm working on that blog now, it's up (points to link in sig) and I'm now a blogger again. Now for the frills. Wink



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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 16 2014, 2:25pm


Views: 4573
     Precious! HCF viewing and artsy

*saves pic* Heart Thanks, Kerewyn!


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These HACF images are all I can get of the show – can’t even watch the trailers because of zoning. (Of course I could try to use that tool to get around it…. haven’t tackled that yet)

I tried this web proxy for the free viewing of the first episode, and it worked quite well. Also, I recently realised the subsequent eppies seemed to be available on the AMC website post-broadcast too. I have not checked that out yet, prolly this weekend. Blush



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I am kinda thrilled because- without looking at or copying any other images - I have done a tiny sketch of my own. Though it is not even remotely starting to get anywhere near the talent on deviant art – I might say that my minimalist lines could possibly be conceived to slightly resemble Thranduil. Maybe I’ll be brave enough to post it if I can get my scanning/nighttime photography issues sorted out.

Sounds exciting! Look forward to seeing it! (And I hope I will have something presentable to share too, sometime in August, after I complete that basic drawing course starting on 5 July)




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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 16 2014, 4:03pm


Views: 4540
     Oops. Lol

Gosh, I'm always reading July as June for some reason! I just did it again while reading the article on the TORN home page about when the BOTFA trailer might be coming too. It said July 20th and I saw June 20th and thought "That's only four days away! Woohoo!...Wait a minute..." Either I need to read more slowly or stop being so distracted. Probably the second one.Blush

To answer the question, yes I think I can get CoH finished by July and be able to participate in the read-along. Yay!Smile

"Love woke me up this morning
With a memory
Love came and whispered a story
That awakened a dream,

I am a dreamer, take me higher
Open the sky up, start a fire
I believe even if it's just a dream"
~"Dreamer" by Bethany Dillon



Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 17 2014, 7:32am


Views: 4535
     Your blog...

...looks great. Smile I will follow you, though I don't have a wordpress account. Does one need one to comment? I like the look of your pages too - very simple and concise.
I've been thinking about wordpress myself as an umbrella for my creative stuff and travel journalling, and trying to flog a kids picture book I've self-published, but as yet I am still being a champion procrastinator.

I like your piece about fan fiction writing (you've posted some of it here before, haven't you?) and your writing even just about writing seems excellent.

Makes me realise I have barely dipped my toenail in the fanfic water. I've been trying to categorise my writing style and I think it's kinda YA. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Hmm.

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)

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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 17 2014, 9:47am


Views: 4514
     LOL... I wished that really said June though.

That trailer is just tardy!


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To answer the question, yes I think I can get CoH finished by July and be able to participate in the read-along. Yay!Smile

All right! Let's do this. So there's Kerewyn, you, me. Who else? Smile




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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 17 2014, 10:03am


Views: 4502
     Thanks!


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Does one need one to comment?

Nope. But your email and name is needed though. I set to request that to minimise spam *fingers crossed*




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I've been thinking about wordpress myself as an umbrella for my creative stuff and travel journalling, and trying to flog a kids picture book I've self-published

Oooh, oooh! Hie thee upon wordpress, then. It is the best free option out there, imo. Though it might take a bit to get the hang of if you're new, but once you're familiar, it's pretty intuitive. Many nice features and even an app for Android phones (though I prefer being on the laptop when dealing with it). One great funcction I love is it keeps all your saved versions of a blog or a page. So you can go back and compare and even retrieve past versions of something you wrote, even if it's published. And there's a lot of widgets you can add and so on. The themes are easy to understand, navigate and customise (though extent is limited in free mode, but it's tolerable). I'm El Cheapo in this regard so I'm using a free theme, with free-of-chrage customisations, and free wordpress hosting Sly Lemme know when you're set up! or if you need help or a personal review on the wonders of wordpress based on past experience.



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I like your piece about fan fiction writing (you've posted some of it here before, haven't you?) and your writing even just about writing seems excellent.

Blush awwww... Thanks for the encouragement. And yes, I'm for recycling where I can. I'm using TH as my test read-write, and hope to get it fine-tuned to a happy spot when the Silm read-along arrives. Otherwise I may just continue to OCD over layouts, themes and such, and I want to avoid that and be able to concentrate on the book instead. I'm also trying to pace myself and not get blog burnout so I don't expect to post much, not everyday anyway. I'm just making it up as I go along, so I can enjoy the experience and do what I want, not what I think I should.



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Makes me realise I have barely dipped my toenail in the fanfic water. I've been trying to categorise my writing style and I think it's kinda YA. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Hmm.

None at all. YA has some of my fav books swimming in there.

I envy you for having your style categorised. I'm still all over the place. Crazy Anyways! Hope to see your blog soon! Go, Kerewyn!


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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 17 2014, 2:48pm


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     Re-posed the link over in the Reading Room

 http://newboards.theonering.net/...orum_view_collapsed; I re-posted the link to the read-along over in the Reading Room while also shamelessly plugging the Thranduil Appreciation thread.Wink Hopefully that will get us some more read-along participants!Smile

ETA: It just occurred to me...Am I going to need to join tumbler in order to participate in this read-along?

"Love woke me up this morning
With a memory
Love came and whispered a story
That awakened a dream,

I am a dreamer, take me higher
Open the sky up, start a fire
I believe even if it's just a dream"
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 18 2014, 12:07pm


Views: 4466
     Good work, Eruvandi! And participation logistics

That was some quick thinking HeartPROPSHeart

About the necessity of a tumblr account, I have no idea Blush so I posted some Qs. Will update with the answers.

Also, it seems the actual read-along will take place on a separate blog: http://tolkienreadalong.tumblr.com.


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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 18 2014, 4:24pm


Views: 4504
     Comments on fan art and other pics

Ok, I’ve finally looked at all of the links, so here we go:

http://ramida-r.tumblr.com/post/87598961554
Interesting Japanese version of Thranduil. It works well! I especially like the crown with the cherry blossoms on it since it goes with the concept that Thranduil is supposed to have a crown for every season and his crown for spring is supposed to have flowers.

The glass of wine in his hand…I’ve noticed that a lot of artists depict Thranduil’s wine glasses that way: as little, round, almost bowl-like cups, but were they like that in the movie? I thought the wine glasses in the movie had stems on them like normal wine glasses. Well, now I have another excuse to watch DOS again!Smile

http://kazuki-mendou.deviantart.com/...-legolas-1-304831831
I really like pics of Oropher, Thranduil and Legolas all together! Heart It strikes me as very sweet and I feel like they would have been a very loving and close-knit family had it not been for the tragedy of Oropher’s death in the LA. In my head-cannon I imagine that the pain of losing his father so abruptly and all of the responsibilities of being king being suddenly thrust upon him is one of the reasons Thranduil tends to be so cold and withdrawn during the time of TH.

I was looking at some of the artists other Thranduil/Oropher works too and they’re great, but I have one complaint that’s really more of a minor (and rather knit-pickyEvil) technicality: In the other pics, they’ve got Thrandy and Orry (Oro?) with bows and quivers of arrows as if they’re going hunting or something, but then both of them are still dressed in their long, flowing robes. Who would go hunting in robes like that? They’d get all dirty and catch on branches and roots and get torn to bits! And what if they’re hunting something particularly dangerous, like orcs, and they have to run away (or run after them for that matter and their robes catch on something and they get caught? It’s not practical at all! (Ok, my knit-picking rant is done)

http://choppel.deviantart.com/art/Thranduil-453197697
This drawing is so good I didn’t even know it was a drawing until I read the description! I thought the artist had just taken the original pic and turned it black and white! Wow!

http://meanor.deviantart.com/...-of-Erebor-359159754
I really, really, really like this one! It’s not even Thranduil, it’s one of his scouts, but I love the colors and the feeling the pic conveys and it looks a lot like how I picture things in my head when I read TH!HeartHeartHeart

http://azumi1771.deviantart.com/...of-Destiny-452431621
This one isn’t the kind of thing I normally like, but I do like it for some reason. The whole moonlight/nighttime feeling captures Thranduil’s essence, IMO, and Elrond and Thranduil in armor sort of complement each other somehow.

http://maya-notliketheother.deviantart.com/art/Legolas-425545951
LaughSmileCool I am now a happy Legolas Lass! Which reminds me…This pic was great, but I’ll admit, I kept getting distracted by this one too! Gosh, he's cute!BlushAngelicHeart


http://hobbitjt.tumblr.com/post/87589171617
*fans self* Can’t…stop…smiling!LaughLaugh

http://lanka-ultra.deviantart.com/...-Thranduil-449738173
*thud* *fans self harder* Ok, fanning is not working!!! *grabs bucket of ice water and dumps over head* Aaaah. I’m better now!Blush

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With a memory
Love came and whispered a story
That awakened a dream,

I am a dreamer, take me higher
Open the sky up, start a fire
I believe even if it's just a dream"
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vanima ephel
Rivendell


Jun 19 2014, 12:19am


Views: 4445
     Just starting to read what I've been missing, it's obviously going to take a while

And then this happens: http://grimapparitions.tumblr.com/post/88704958696

I'm dying. Now I have a burning need to own this game. (I think I saw him credited for voice work on a lego project. I hope it was this!) I must pause to shop online.

~~~

P.S.: After a couple of weeks dealing with cheap hotel internet service, I will never... Strike that. I will try never to complain about my crap home internet service ever again. Tongue


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 19 2014, 4:13am


Views: 4558
     *applause* Way to go, Eruvandi!... plus some musings

Wow! Just wow! Your dedication is exemplary. Small confession here: I started the mega Woodland Weekend threads with a comment on each link, but just couldn't keep up so the spammy lists Tongue



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The glass of wine in his hand…I’ve noticed that a lot of artists depict Thranduil’s wine glasses that way: as little, round, almost bowl-like cups, but were they like that in the movie? I thought the wine glasses in the movie had stems on them like normal wine glasses.

My suspicion is those artists have been watching too much Australia MasterChef. Contestants on that show love using those glasses for fancy schmancy dishes. Coupled with Thranduil's fab cred, canon prolly got CGI'd over Tongue So props when I stumble on something like this Heart





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I really like pics of Oropher, Thranduil and Legolas all together! Heart It strikes me as very sweet and I feel like they would have been a very loving and close-knit family had it not been for the tragedy of Oropher’s death in the LA. In my head-cannon I imagine that the pain of losing his father so abruptly and all of the responsibilities of being king being suddenly thrust upon him is one of the reasons Thranduil tends to be so cold and withdrawn during the time of TH.

Me too! Love to see the magnificent Mirkwood three together. My gripe is Orry tends to be depicted as too much of a Thranddy clone. Leggy as the son isn't a replica, so why is the Thranddy dad a replica of him? Tongue

(I know we discussed dimunitives and the hazards of dwarvenising Oropher with Orry before but I'll stick with Orry, because Oro is just too this


... even though this is a really cool char otherwise, I... can't... *collapse on floor laughing*)



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I was looking at some of the artists other Thranduil/Oropher works too and they’re great, but I have one complaint that’s really more of a minor (and rather knit-pickyEvil) technicality: In the other pics, they’ve got Thrandy and Orry (Oro?) with bows and quivers of arrows as if they’re going hunting or something, but then both of them are still dressed in their long, flowing robes. Who would go hunting in robes like that? They’d get all dirty and catch on branches and roots and get torn to bits! And what if they’re hunting something particularly dangerous, like orcs, and they have to run away (or run after them for that matter and their robes catch on something and they get caught? It’s not practical at all! (Ok, my knit-picking rant is done)

I hear ya! There's a fair bit of practical incongruity out there. I've seen Thranduil in a tree in his gold robe, and with that crown of his... unless he climbed unrobed and crownless, I can't see how he can remain immaculate though his adventure. But then doesn't he need attendants to help with the wardrobe? Smile



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This drawing is so good I didn’t even know it was a drawing until I read the description! I thought the artist had just taken the original pic and turned it black and white! Wow!

This one's a keeper, isn't it? I hope i can get just 10% as good as this someday.



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http://meanor.deviantart.com/...-of-Erebor-359159754
I really, really, really like this one! It’s not even Thranduil, it’s one of his scouts, but I love the colors and the feeling the pic conveys and it looks a lot like how I picture things in my head when I read TH!HeartHeartHeart

I hope we get something like this in BotFA, even if it's just a few frames!



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This one isn’t the kind of thing I normally like, but I do like it for some reason. The whole moonlight/nighttime feeling captures Thranduil’s essence, IMO, and Elrond and Thranduil in armor sort of complement each other somehow.

Kind of OT, but I imagine they have a friendship of sorts, just from the LA if not earlier, not BFF but as mutually respected peers. And by extension, I think that the twins would make trips into Mirkwood at need when they drop by Lothlorien with their mother or sister.



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LaughSmileCool I am now a happy Legolas Lass! Which reminds me…This pic was great, but I’ll admit, I kept getting distracted by this one too! Gosh, he's cute!BlushAngelicHeart

Glad you liked them. Regardless of the *ahem*mass exodus by his Lasses, Leggy needs some love too, and where better than in the nearest place to home tuft in lieu of an appreciation thread of his own Evil



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*fans self* Can’t…stop…smiling!LaughLaugh

LP would make one heck of a Numenorean too, wouldn't he? Heart



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*thud* *fans self harder* Ok, fanning is not working!!! *grabs bucket of ice water and dumps over head* Aaaah. I’m better now!Blush

LoL... now if only there was an easy way to find more of such tasteful EI-worthy renditions!






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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 19 2014, 4:23am


Views: 4447
     vamina! Welcome back

How was your travels?



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And then this happens: http://grimapparitions.tumblr.com/post/88704958696

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I'm dying. Now I have a burning need to own this game. (I think I saw him credited for voice work on a lego project. I hope it was this!) I must pause to shop online.

Wow... tell us about it! There's some hilarious and helpful youtubes on the character and gamplay too.



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After a couple of weeks dealing with cheap hotel internet service, I will never... Strike that. I will try never to complain about my crap home internet service ever again. Tongue

LoL... good luck with that. I am a whinger when it comes to connection speed Evil




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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 19 2014, 4:40am


Views: 4462
     LOL Elf Dwarf Sports meet and an OT

Laughhttp://letsnottrustthedwarves.tumblr.com/post/89130034693


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And this, just cos meowr (read the comment there about what this guy does for amusement) SlyHeart (mwoar , and mwoar)


ETA: And we're suddenly at threadlock point again.


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Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 19 2014, 7:39am


Views: 4433
     Response to picture responses, and wardrobe musings

I’d better post this quickly then!
Cheers Euvandi for your pic responses! I was a bit lazy really – but I did a mass viewing quite late at night, and there was no much brain power left afterwards, especially after I had thudded happily to the floor.



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http://ramida-r.tumblr.com/post/87598961554
Interesting Japanese version of Thranduil. It works well! I especially like the crown with the cherry blossoms on it since it goes with the concept that Thranduil is supposed to have a crown for every season and his crown for spring is supposed to have flowers.

Yes I very much liked this image as well. And I have a small stemless wine ‘bowl’ myself. I am going to use it tonight! Now I am thinking I would like to see a talented artist do Thranduil in the Art Deco Beardsley print style. The flowing gowns and hair, totally suitable.



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In the other pics, they’ve got Thrandy and Orry (Oro?) with bows and quivers of arrows as if they’re going hunting or something, but then both of them are still dressed in their long, flowing robes. Who would go hunting in robes like that?

A totally valid point! This is what I guess we could call artistic license.



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http://choppel.deviantart.com/art/Thranduil-453197697
This drawing is so good I didn’t even know it was a drawing until I read the description! I thought the artist had just taken the original pic and turned it black and white! Wow!

I hadn’t even noticed that myself. Wonderful work, and one of the shots that shows Thranduil at his most beautiful – also showcasing what beautiful eyes LP has. My heart gets quite fluttery when I gaze at this.Heart



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http://lanka-ultra.deviantart.com/...-Thranduil-449738173 *thud* *fans self harder* Ok, fanning is not working!!! *grabs bucket of ice water and dumps over head* Aaaah. I’m better now!

I know, right?? Heart




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ShockedOoh, now I want to see the clip that this tumblr piece was made from. Anyone got a link? I can’t find on YT.



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When I am struggling with my fan art style, this style reminds me that one can go quite simple and cartoony and still get nice results.



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I've seen Thranduil in a tree in his gold robe, and with that crown of his... unless he climbed unrobed and crownless, I can't see how he can remain immaculate though his adventure. But then doesn't he need attendants to help with the wardrobe?


He would surely have at least one very full-time wardrobe employee, or a number of them to assist with cleaning, upkeep, mending etc, and to keep his walk-in wardrobe spic and span. Probably an attendant would help him into his robe-de-jour, possibly several times a day if he likes to change for dinner (a la Downton Abbey), or riding, or receiving guests, or just hanging in his chambers. I wonder if he changed into his silver/gold apparel to receive the dwarves or whether he just happened to be wearing it that day. The crown would most definitely be part of a regal audience.

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)

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Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 19 2014, 8:01am


Views: 4458
     Wordpress, and a creative idea


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Lemme know when you're set up! or if you need help or a personal review on the wonders of wordpress based on past experience.



Thanks, that would be great. I may be calling on you. It's more likely that I'll be trying to get onto that in September - once Camp Nano is out of the way and my Dad's visit is over. I am creating content though - trying to dream up some blog posts in advance... in fact that is part of my 'Camp Nano rebel' mission.

I just had a "brilliant" idea. Every year I make a calendar for my friends and family, basically using InDesign to chuck my best recent travel photos into a template I made up, usually on a theme. Past themes include "Statue-esque" (because I like to photograph statues) "India" and "Photos of people taking photos." My plan for this year is "Mannequins of the world."

What about a special calendar for Thralls of our favourite Thranduil fan art???? HeartHeartHeart

Not sure if we'd need to get permission from artists... but if it were simply for personal use, and in a digital rather than printed form... there could be no need. After all, deviant art contributors are all about sharing, in whatever form. I imagine we could also print it privately for ourselves on a colour office printer if desired. (Print shops and print services often have to police the unauthorised use of images from customers - as I found out when I tried to get a double spread from a library book scanned)

Anyway I am seriously thinking about this for a creative project for later in the year. Wink

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 19 2014, 10:44am


Views: 4452
     Kerewyn, just had to comment on this


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I did a mass viewing quite late at night, and there was no much brain power left afterwards, especially after I had thudded happily to the floor.

LOL at mass viewing.

I'm beginning to feel padded flooring is a pre-requisite for Thranduil appreciation. Spontaneous thudding is a occupational hazard Tongue



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When I am struggling with my fan art style, this style reminds me that one can go quite simple and cartoony and still get nice results.

just props!



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He would surely have at least one very full-time wardrobe employee, or a number of them to assist with cleaning, upkeep, mending etc, and to keep his walk-in wardrobe spic and span. Probably an attendant would help him into his robe-de-jour, possibly several times a day if he likes to change for dinner (a la Downton Abbey), or riding, or receiving guests, or just hanging in his chambers. I wonder if he changed into his silver/gold apparel to receive the dwarves or whether he just happened to be wearing it that day. The crown would most definitely be part of a regal audience.

Now I'm having visions of Elven Abby.





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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 19 2014, 10:46am


Views: 4462
     *hands rain-check over* No problem. Take your time


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Thanks, that would be great. I may be calling on you. It's more likely that I'll be trying to get onto that in September - once Camp Nano is out of the way and my Dad's visit is over. I am creating content though - trying to dream up some blog posts in advance... in fact that is part of my 'Camp Nano rebel' mission.

Good plan re blog posts in advance.

'Camp Nano rebel' mission sounds like cool fun! Smile



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What about a special calendar for Thralls of our favourite Thranduil fan art???? HeartHeartHeart

It's a YES from this thrall! How do you pick the favs?






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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 19 2014, 11:04am


Views: 4445
     Lego The Hobbit

(Putting this in a post for thralls' easy reference)



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And then this happens: http://grimapparitions.tumblr.com/post/88704958696
ShockedOoh, now I want to see the clip that this tumblr piece was made from. Anyone got a link? I can’t find on YT.


Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVvvV4yJ8Ww


A few more YT worthy of thrall's times

LEGO The Hobbit - Thranduil Gameplay and Unlock Location
LEGO The Hobbit - Unlocking Thranduil w/ Free Roam Game
LEGO The Hobbit - All Cutscenes

The "Lego The Hobbit" channel

And a bit of extra: Lego: The Hobbit : How Thranduil came to the scar

(Crossed fingers on posting)


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 19 2014, 1:20pm


Views: 4434
     For Eruvandi: What's need for the read-along participation

Here's the tumblr post with the answers. Think it's good even if you don't have tumblr. The host recommends twitter if not tumblr, but I've a follow on the tumblr in my wordpress account and I think that works fine too. Smile


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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 19 2014, 7:02pm


Views: 4444
     Thanks Lurker!

I found the twitter account and followed it so that should work for me, but I'll be reading the tumblr Sign Up info to see if I dare create an account.WinkSmile

"Love woke me up this morning
With a memory
Love came and whispered a story
That awakened a dream,

I am a dreamer, take me higher
Open the sky up, start a fire
I believe even if it's just a dream"
~"Dreamer" by Bethany Dillon



Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 19 2014, 7:34pm


Views: 4404
     Sounds awesome!


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What about a special calendar for Thralls of our favourite Thranduil fan art???? HeartHeartHeart

Not sure if we'd need to get permission from artists... but if it were simply for personal use, and in a digital rather than printed form... there could be no need. After all, deviant art contributors are all about sharing, in whatever form. I imagine we could also print it privately for ourselves on a colour office printer if desired. (Print shops and print services often have to police the unauthorised use of images from customers - as I found out when I tried to get a double spread from a library book scanned)

Anyway I am seriously thinking about this for a creative project for later in the year. Wink


Smile I think personal use would be fine, so long as their isn't a special note on the artwork saying "do not use in this way" or whatever. (I've seen a few artworks here and there with notes like that.) The main thing about copyrights and the like is that the creator of the artwork doesn't want you selling their stuff and making a profit on it without them, so like I said, personal use should be fine.

"Love woke me up this morning
With a memory
Love came and whispered a story
That awakened a dream,

I am a dreamer, take me higher
Open the sky up, start a fire
I believe even if it's just a dream"
~"Dreamer" by Bethany Dillon



Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 19 2014, 8:07pm


Views: 4422
     That's the Lego Hobbit game!

Welcome back vanima!Smile We missed you!Heart


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And then this happens: http://grimapparitions.tumblr.com/post/88704958696

I'm dying. Now I have a burning need to own this game. (I think I saw him credited for voice work on a lego project. I hope it was this!) I must pause to shop online.

*jumps up and down excitedly* That's from the Lego Hobbit game! I'm playing it right now on PS4! I already played that level, and yes, LP's voice is used for Thranduil.Cool Actually, every time someone in the game speaks, they use the audio from the movies, so all of the characters have their normal voices.

If you really do want to get the game, I would totally recommend it because it's really fun! I especially liked the Mirkwood and Elvenking's Halls levels because they really captured the look and feel of those locations (with Lego sillyness sprinkled throughout of courseWink) and you get to run all over the place and explore them even more thoroughly than in the movie. You know how in the book, when Bombur fell in the river in Mirkwood and fell asleep? Well, if you fall in the river in the Mirkwood level, your character falls asleep before breaking apart and reappearing on the path! I thought that was a cute little nod to the book.Smile

Also, another thing I like about the game is that they've made it so that, when you're not in a level, the main world is in an "open hub" format so you can actually walk to and from all the locations from the movies and explore them! So, you can explore Hobbiton and then walk the troll shaws, and then walk to Rivendell, the Misty Mountains, Mirkwood, Erebor etc.Cool

"Love woke me up this morning
With a memory
Love came and whispered a story
That awakened a dream,

I am a dreamer, take me higher
Open the sky up, start a fire
I believe even if it's just a dream"
~"Dreamer" by Bethany Dillon



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Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 19 2014, 10:16pm


Views: 4406
     Lego Hobbit, and reading teams

*firstly waves to vanima* Remiss of me not to greet you back as well!

LOL - Lurker thanks for those Lego Hobbit links. Having seen and loved The Lego Movie, little did I realise that team had put time and effort into TH as well. Heart The Cut Scenes looks like a good hour or more's viewing so I am going to set up properly and watch it some evening. Love the touches of humour I've seen so far, like Thranduil's mirror, Thror playing with his gold, old Bilbo doing push-ups. Laugh

Just reading up on the Read-along Blog, and if you scroll down on the main page, they are talking about teams, and below that is a quizz to help one choose. I took the quizz and it rated my answers as Team Gondolin. Was thinking though - should those of us taking part try and get on the same team?
Am quite excited looking through the expectation of team challenges, parties, and the excitement when a team's hero characters appear in the reading.
Smile

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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 20 2014, 12:06am


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     imo

a tumblr account is a dangerous thing Tongue i got it because it erm... made browsing a little less painful. Thankfully I'm too much of a wordpress wench to even want to think about tumblring


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 20 2014, 12:10am


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     was there non-movie,dialogue in the game?

in gameplay I mean. From the YTs seems like they just spliced movie dialogue in. Didn't hear anything new from anyone. I do think its cool they kept the actors' voices though Smile


And I'm surprised we're still going with this thread.


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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 20 2014, 12:12am


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     Sure! I don't see why not


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Just reading up on the Read-along Blog, and if you scroll down on the main page, they are talking about teams, and below that is a quizz to help one choose. I took the quiz and it rated my answers as Team Gondolin. Was thinking though - should those of us taking part try and get on the same team?
Am quite excited looking through the expectation of team challenges, parties, and the excitement when a team's hero characters appear in the reading.
Smile

I took the quiz too and got Doriath, but I'm totally fine with Gondolin too. As long as there are elves, I'm happy!Angelic

I noticed that the posts about teams said that, in order to "register" for a team, you have to message the blogger person with your top three team choices and she(he?) will do their best to get everyone their top choice while also trying to keep the teams somewhat even. Sounds like it's first come first served.

Now the question is...How to I send a message? Will they take messages from Twitter? I'm *this* close to signing up for a tumbler account just so I can properly participate in this thing, but I'm still on the fence a little. *finishes skimming tumbler Terms of Use* Oh, I guess it looks safe enough and I can always delete the account afterwards if I want to. Guess I'm joining!Smile

"Love woke me up this morning
With a memory
Love came and whispered a story
That awakened a dream,

I am a dreamer, take me higher
Open the sky up, start a fire
I believe even if it's just a dream"
~"Dreamer" by Bethany Dillon



Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 20 2014, 12:14am


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     readalong and lego thranddy

I was thinking if we got different teams, for those want to, we'd different perpectives as well. But being on the same team would be cool. I'm torn between the two Crazy

Hehe... never thought lego might be cool after childhood ended but these vids are fun. And the game seems like an enjoyable one too. Mustn't be tempted!


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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 20 2014, 12:52am


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     Nope

No new dialogue, although there were one or two instances where in the movie, only one character was involved in the action, but for the sake of having two playable characters at all times, the lego game borrowed a line from another scene and used it in a different context in order to give the extra character a reason for being there.

The only example that comes to mind at the moment (because I was playing this level a couple hours agoWink) is in the trolls level. You know in the AUJ movie, Kili and Fili sent Bilbo to rescue the pony's from the trolls all by himself, but in the game they send Bilbo and Ori together. So, they borrow Ori's line from the Bag End scene where he gets all brave about facing Smaug and says "I'm not afraid! I'm up for it!" and use it in the troll scene instead.

Other than that, when an extra character is needed for play, they usually just modify events ever so slightly and don't add any lines. Like the Riddles in the Dark level. In the movie, Bilbo faces Gollum alone, but in the game they make it so that the goblin that falls with Bilbo gets bumped on the head and thinks Bilbo is another goblin so he follows along and helps him peacefully. Every now and then and you progress through the level he'll start to come to his senses and, as Bilbo, you have to bonk him on the head again before he realizes you're not really a goblin.Tongue


*looks around for the incoming moderator and hopes the thread isn't locked yet*

"Love woke me up this morning
With a memory
Love came and whispered a story
That awakened a dream,

I am a dreamer, take me higher
Open the sky up, start a fire
I believe even if it's just a dream"
~"Dreamer" by Bethany Dillon



vanima ephel
Rivendell


Jun 20 2014, 1:48am


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     *waves at Lurker and Eruvandi and Kerewyn and all*

I had a great time walking around in the sun (for a change). Now I'm burnt and blistered and it feels great. Cool

It'll be a week (give or take) before my LEGO The Hobbit shows up here. I'm already feeling impatient. Those YouTube vids make it look like a riot.

I think I'll spend the rest of my time tonight looking into this Silmarillion read along...

"I dissent, even at the risk of being held incorrect or not sober."


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 20 2014, 5:45am


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     I got sorted to Doriath too

Results seems a bit bipolar Tongue But yay Doriath (true to our Sindarin allegiance eh?)


So what do we want to do? I have my tumblr filling up with tumble weeds anyway. And we have until Jul 14 to pre-register.

(clicks post reply with trepidation)


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Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 20 2014, 7:47am


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     I weas kinda hoping to get Doriath...

..but I guess I threw in a 'safe' answer somewhere... forgetting that my online self is allowed to be different from my real self!

Yeah... it doesn't seem blazingly obvious on how to make contact and register, so I was supposing that once one is a Tumblr member, it becomes clear.

As you were saying re differing perspectives, I wonder if teams would be allowed to read other teams' blogs, or whether that will get all competitive.
In any case, are we going to use our current nicknames? (I will)
I personally wouldn't mind being in the same team as one or all of you... it could help with my motivation. But I'm easy.

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 20 2014, 7:57am


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     Gondolin is kinda you though

Smile

I'm good with anything we decide here. Like Eruvandi, as long as there's Elves, I'll be ok Sly

Ok, I'm going to keep my nic on tumblr so my account url is lurkerinthemirk.tumblr.com.

Just got to figure out the register thing and if there's a lazybones way to send tumblr posts to wordpress or vice versa Smile


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(This post was edited by Lurker in the Mirk on Jun 20 2014, 8:00am)


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 20 2014, 11:34am


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     hmm

Wonder if the actors get paid for their voices being used this way.

Thanks for the info, EruvandiSmile


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 20 2014, 11:36am


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     Where did you go?


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I had a great time walking around in the sun (for a change). Now I'm burnt and blistered and it feels great. Cool

Sounds like fun Smile



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think I'll spend the rest of my time tonight looking into this Silmarillion read along...

Yay! Will you join in the fun then?


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 20 2014, 1:55pm


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     *sneaks in fanart* sort of stained glass in oriental style




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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 20 2014, 2:36pm


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     Found some serious Thranduil obsessed fan art on Twitter

That pic is lovely! It really does look like stained glass! I like all the little details like the white stag, and how the train of Thranduil's robe twists around and you can see images of other elves inside it, and then it becomes part of the tree on the left. It goes perfectly with the theme that Thranduil and Mirkwood are connected to each other and reflect each other.

I clicked the pic and looked at the other stained glass artworks and they're all gorgeous too! I especially love the LOTR themed ones and the one of Smaug.Heart

So, here's the fan art I found on Twitter. She made a life-sized Thranduil out of beads!Shocked Wow! If you click the link to her Imgur account, she says it took 32,690 beads and 40 hours to make. I must say, I'm impressed!

I've got a reply to your reply to my second batch of Woodland Weekend comments, but I'm honestly afraid to take the time to write it with us at 222 posts...Guess I'll have to wait and see if we get locked down in the next few hours and if we haven't I'll try to reply then.Smile

"Love woke me up this morning
With a memory
Love came and whispered a story
That awakened a dream,

I am a dreamer, take me higher
Open the sky up, start a fire
I believe even if it's just a dream"
~"Dreamer" by Bethany Dillon



Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 20 2014, 2:44pm


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     By Eru! That is serious. Can't imagine...


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She made a life-sized Thranduil out of beads!Shocked Wow!

... me doing that. I would have murdered someone or died before I finished an eyebrow.



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That pic is lovely! It really does look like stained glass!

Right? I knew I had to tempt threadlock when I saw it Smile



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I've got a reply to your reply to my second batch of Woodland Weekend comments, but I'm honestly afraid to take the time to write it with us at 222 posts...Guess I'll have to wait and see if we get locked down in the next few hours and if we haven't I'll try to reply then.Smile

Sure!




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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 20 2014, 2:55pm


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     Iceland: Road plans disrupted by Elves

Hee.. came across this piece of real news in the Off-topic thread by Na Vedui. Interesting read. Tolkien Elves' source of inspiration indeed. Heart

(furtively hits Post Reply and tempts fate with threadlock again)


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(This post was edited by Lurker in the Mirk on Jun 20 2014, 2:59pm)


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 20 2014, 3:33pm


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     Keeping my nic too

Here I am: http://eruvandi-elf-fancier.tumblr.com/ Do you know how hard it is to find a pic with both Thranduil and adult Legolas in it that is both pretty, fits the tumblr header space without cutting half the pic off, and isn't creepy? It's proving more difficult than I would have thought.Crazy
ETA: I found one! Ha ha!LaughLaugh

Aaanyway...I'm with Lurker that whatever we decide here is fine as far as teams go. I'm not picky. It seems like we all like Doriath even if the quiz didn't sort us all as Doriath so, maybe that would be the team to go with if we decide that we want to be on the same team. But, like I said, totally not picky, so long as there are elves.HeartSmile

"Love woke me up this morning
With a memory
Love came and whispered a story
That awakened a dream,

I am a dreamer, take me higher
Open the sky up, start a fire
I believe even if it's just a dream"
~"Dreamer" by Bethany Dillon



(This post was edited by Eruvandi on Jun 20 2014, 3:34pm)


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 20 2014, 3:40pm


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     Followed! =)

Good tagline too!


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Do you know how hard it is to find a pic with both Thranduil and adult Legolas in it that is both pretty, fits the tumblr header space without cutting half the pic off, and isn't creepy? It's proving more difficult than I would have thought.Crazy

LOL tell me about it CrazyUnsure



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ETA: I found one! Ha ha!LaughLaugh

Good job! Let's see what the others say - looks like vanima may be joining in too.





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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jun 20 2014, 3:52pm


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     Followed you back! :D //

 

"Love woke me up this morning
With a memory
Love came and whispered a story
That awakened a dream,

I am a dreamer, take me higher
Open the sky up, start a fire
I believe even if it's just a dream"
~"Dreamer" by Bethany Dillon



Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 21 2014, 7:07am


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     Those stained glass style images

...are quite stunning! I clicked and admired them all, and thought about how fantastic it would be to have them poster-sized on my wall - or indeed, my windows. I love the dwarves one too - in fact all of them.

I confess *cough* I also LOL'd the flashing black & white gif at the bottom of the page. Evil Wink

The beaded Thranduil. That is some serious devotion!!

Hm... Laugh maybe I truly am a Gondolian! I suspect you might be right, Lurker. I'll find out, I guess. I suspect Doriath may be quite popular with peeps signing up, so maybe we should jump in quite soon. I hope I can get a Tumblr account sorted in the next hour but if my bf arrives to take me to Chinatown for dumplings as planned (where's the hungry icon?), it'll have to be tomorrow.

'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)


Kerewyn
Rohan


Jun 21 2014, 7:54am


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     OK that was ridiculously easy

And 'Kerewyn' wa