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Darkstone Immortal Mar 12 2014, 4:04am Views: 2080 SCOD - "Forth Eorlingas!!" Original image here. 1. How many in the audience do you suppose knew what “Forth Eorlingas” meant? Should the writers have changed it to something else, like say ”Charge!!”, or ”Leeeroy Jennnkins!!", or, to honor Tolkien’s favorite language, “Tulta munille!!”? 2. Most of the extras were females. How many Dernhelms can you pick out? 3. How is the charge of the Rohirrim similar/dissimilar to Faramir’s charge? 4. Any other thoughts? Bonus questions: The climax of the film The Lighthorsemen (1987) is the presumably suicidal charge of the 4th and 12th Australian Light Horse Regiments against Turkish trenches and artillery at the Battle of Beersheba on 31 October 1917. What do you suppose motivates an otherwise rational individual to participate in an obviously suicidal cavalry charge? Would Peter Phelps make a good Bilbo? ****************************************** Brothers, sisters, I was Elf once. We danced together Under the Two Trees. We sang as the soft gold of Laurelin And the bright silver of Telperion, Brought forth the dawn of the world. Then I was taken. Brothers, sisters, In my torment I kept faith, And I waited. But you never came. And when I returned you drew sword, And when I called your names you drew bow. Was my Eldar beauty all, And my soul nothing? So be it. I will return your hatred, And I am hungry.

Lissuin Valinor Mar 12 2014, 7:39am Views: 1941 Here comes the cavalry over the hill! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vna4AAC1bdE 1. How many in the audience do you suppose knew what “Forth Eorlingas” meant? Should the writers have changed it to something else, like say ”Charge!!”, or ”Leeeroy Jennnkins!!", or, to honor Tolkien’s favorite language, “Tulta munille!!”? Anyone with exposure to the Judeo-Christian tradition has heard "Go forth (and multiply)," but Eorlingas? I still can't pronounce it. But better that than "Tulta munille!" in a film where even orcs don't say things like that! 2. Most of the extras were females. How many Dernhelms can you pick out? They are all females. How else do you explain why not one Eorling ratted out Eowyn in camp while she's having a helmless heart-to-heart with Merry before the battle? A sister doesn't rat out a sister. 3. How is the charge of the Rohirrim similar/dissimilar to Faramir’s charge? http://www.framecaplib.com/...es/rotk/rotk1556.htm Seriously, Faramir's charge breaks my heart every time. That wasn't even a forlorn hope, just suicide, or murder by command. 4. Any other thoughts? It was definitely a glorious charging forth. Bonus questions: The climax of the film The Lighthorsemen (1987) is the presumably suicidal charge of the 4th and 12th Australian Light Horse Regiments against Turkish trenches and artillery at the Battle of Beersheba on 31 October 1917. What do you suppose motivates an otherwise rational individual to participate in an obviously suicidal cavalry charge? On horseback or on foot, in real life they are mostly 18 to 22-year old males who believe they are immortal and have been raised with tales and statues to believe in the necessity and rightness of glorious charges. And they die. So it has ever been. And hearts are broken. Would Peter Phelps make a good Bilbo? Uuuum…..huh? Is it tricksy, precious? Does it love nice non sequiturs? Am I missing a vital cultural reference here, Mr. Darkstone, sir? (This post was edited by Lissuin on Mar 12 2014, 7:41am)

Starling Half-elven Mar 12 2014, 8:06am Views: 1920 Peter Phelps was in a TV series called Stingers, an interesting connection, precious. But the most important thing is that he was in Baywatch, and that is surely the ultimate and therefore proof that he would be an awesome Bilbo.

Lissuin Valinor Mar 12 2014, 8:37am Views: 1916 Stingers, eh? Ok. I knew Darkstone had to have some devilishly clever connection he was working on. But Baywatch!? Beach boy Bilbo? Buff Bilbo? Nah. Maybe Barefoot Bilbo, you think?

Misto Lorien Mar 12 2014, 12:11pm Views: 1930 Is "forth" really that outdated? 1. How many in the audience do you suppose knew what “Forth Eorlingas” meant? Should the writers have changed it to something else, like say ”Charge!!”, or ”Leeeroy Jennnkins!!", or, to honor Tolkien’s favorite language, “Tulta munille!!”? I'm not a native speaker, but I knew the word forth before I became interested in Tolkien. But maybe it's because I have a knack for older literature. But to answer your question: I have no idea how many knew the meaning of forth. "Charge"... I don't know if that's just due to yet another of my many weird side-interests, but if I saw a cavalry draw up and somebody screamed "Charge!" I would think immediately: Charge of the light brigade. That, of course, is not the sort of connection you'd want in this particular scene. 2. Most of the extras were females. How many Dernhelms can you pick out? None. I know most riders were female (not surprising, really) but I never bothered to halt the DVD and go looking for them. 3. How is the charge of the Rohirrim similar/dissimilar to Faramir’s charge? Leaving the obvious matter of numbers aside, the ride of the Rohirrim seems somewhat less suicidal than Faramir's charge on Osgiliath. Not necessarily an attack than will make you win the battle, but not quite as crazy. In terms of military discipline, Faramir's charge is a tad more impressive, because this is a proper line, ridden (nearly) stirrup to stirrup as it is supposed to be according to war tactics of old. The Rohirrim... well they don't break rank, but it's just more of a "first one to kill an orc wins" run down that hill. Or at least that's my conception. 4. Any other thoughts? (This post was edited by Misto on Mar 12 2014, 12:12pm)

Meneldor Valinor Mar 12 2014, 8:44pm Views: 1896 Forth Eorlingas! I would think that the tone and context make the meaning easy to infer. As for the words themselves, they roll off the tongue beautifully. It's almost like JRRT knows a little something about the power of words, y'know? They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters; These see the works of the Lord, and His wonders in the deep.

Loresilme Valinor Mar 13 2014, 1:12pm Views: 1867 Thrilling 1. How many in the audience do you suppose knew what “Forth Eorlingas” meant? Should the writers have changed it to something else, like say ”Charge!!”, or ”Leeeroy Jennnkins!!", or, to honor Tolkien’s favorite language, “Tulta munille!!”? Movie firster here, I heard "Forth ---- something" and though I couldn't make out the second word, it wasn't difficult to fill in the blanks for myself and figure out it referred to some ancient way these people referred to themselves. This type of thing happened many times throughout first watching the trilogy, there were references to names or places or events that were not explained, but here is where the whole sort of mystique about LOTR came in, because even though *I* didn't know what they meant, I knew that there was a huge, huge backstory and world in this story and I was certain they did mean something, and so instead of it being confusing or annoying, it gave it a lot of depth and was very intriguing. 2. Most of the extras were females. How many Dernhelms can you pick out? My favorite is the one that gets a brief special focus later in the charge (a bit after Eomer's moment), riding h** for leather, hair streaming in the wind, with weapon raised and just looking like they're having the best time of their life . There should be a "FIGWIT" for that rider. 3. How is the charge of the Rohirrim similar/dissimilar to Faramir’s charge? Even though they're screaming "Death" here, there was still some hope of survival. I got no sense of hope whatsoever in Faramir's ride out.

simplyaven Grey Havens Mar 13 2014, 8:55pm Views: 1854 War is not rational Quote Bonus questions: The climax of the film The Lighthorsemen (1987) is the presumably suicidal charge of the 4th and 12th Australian Light Horse Regiments against Turkish trenches and artillery at the Battle of Beersheba on 31 October 1917. What do you suppose motivates an otherwise rational individual to participate in an obviously suicidal cavalry charge? There are hundreds of examples of completely irrational heroism showed by many nations at times of war. Such was the besiege of Stalingrad, such were some of the battles at the Balkans during the First World War and many others. I don't think war is rational for those who are on the front line. War is rational for those who are moving the pieces on the chess board in their cabinets and making their important phone calls or calculating their profit. For the soldiers and regular people mobilized, regardless on horse or on foot, well armed or having only their axes (and this was the case many times) and marching in the winter with cloth on their feet for the lack of shoes, war is about belief in a better future, faith and hope which are all irrational. To me these are also the most important things in life. The irrational ones. Heroism is never rational as well. Middle earth recipes archive I believe

BlackFox Half-elven Mar 13 2014, 9:13pm Views: 1879 Well put! "Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere." - Albert Einstein