Although it's definitely not a film adaptation of The Hobbit. More of a "Loosely based on" sort of movie. So was AUJ in a way, but it's even more so for DOS, in my opinion. However, it works as a movie and after all it's a movie I came for. No lenghty "please do go on already" sort of moments like AUJ had. So overall, I'm quite happy. 4/5
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Somewhere in there. Maybe higher than 4 but not lower. Enjoying the trip I must say. The second TORn Amateur Symposium is running right now, in the Reading Room. Come have a look and maybe stay to chat!
Just saw it earlier today. Better than AUJ (which gets 3/5 from me) by a good bit. The good stuff was loads better this time around, and the bad stuff was pretty much the same. Still not up there with any of the LotR films (still too much ott cgi action bs for my taste), but closer. Has me really hopeful and excited for TaBA, which i just wasn't feeling before today.
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but I also know there is something to be said about having to choose between the given options, so I went with 4/5.
I did enjoy the movie, and 3/5 seemed more like a "meh" reaction to me, so I bumped it up to 4/5
It is hard, however, to know on a first viewing if your excitement/anticipation about finally seeing the movie is bumping up your overall impression on making your reaction slightly worse. ..The land of long-forgotten name: ......no man may ever anchor near; ..No steering star his hope may aim, ......for nether Night its marches drear, ..And waters wide no sail may tame, ......with shores encircled dark and sheer.
..O! Haven where my heart would be! ......the waves beat upon thy bar ..For ever echo endlessly, ......when longing leads thy thought afar
and a bit befuddled on all the changes. I want explanations....
2.5/5 for me. "By Elbereth and Luthien the fair, you shall have neither the Ring nor me!" ~Frodo
"And then Gandalf arose and bid all men rise, and they rose, and he said: 'Here is a last hail ere the feast endeth. Last but not least. For I name now those who shall not be forgotten and without whose valour nought else that was done would have availed; and I name before you all Frodo of the Shire and Samwise his servant. And the bards and the minstrels should give them new names: Bronwe athan Harthad and Harthad Uluithiad , Endurance beyond Hope and Hope Unquenchable.." ~Gandalf, The End of the Third Age , from The History of Middle Earth series
It took me three viewings of LOTR: FOTR to get past my disappointments over what was changed and see the movie on its own terms. Of course I wanted slavish devotion to the book and was annoyed by the changes. But finally I decided that Tolkien tells the story from the point of view of the Hobbits, and Jackson tells it from the point of view of Men, who like to exaggerate a lot about things like how big the fish/warg/orc really was and skip over other parts that some of us were more interested in. The way we imagine our lives is the way we are going to go on living our lives.
I went in wanting to see a great movie. I saw a great movie. Therefore, 5/5.
I had only one instance where I got pulled out for a second and that had to do with the soundtrack so maybe if I could I'd give it a 4.75.
Not a fangirl reaction either. While I loved the LOTR movies, there were parts where I wanted to say enough (Battle of Pellinor Fields went on longer than I cared to see and there was no Ioreth! *hrumph*) and I really don't care for any of SPJ's other films. He's not infallible.
But, like a good bread, I felt the love and care the cast and crew put into this project from beginning to end. They asked me to come play and experience Middle Earth again and that is what I did.
And it was amazing! Where there's life there's hope, and need of vittles. ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings
I felt the pace was often rushed, and didn't get the usual sense of an epic journey of many leagues. I didn't think it was as moving or powerful as AUJ, but it didn't have as much silliness either. They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters; These see the works of the Lord, and His wonders in the deep.
saw it in IMAX 3D HFR again, which is definitely my preferred way to see it. I've been toying with the thought of seeing it in 2D just for comparison, which is actually how I first saw AUJ, but I remember that the action scenes were a bit blurry in 2D, and there's so much action in DOS that I don't know if I will.
And yes, the second viewing really did it for me. I think I was a little disoriented at first because I'm so familiar with the look and feel of AUJ, and DOS felt really different, especially in the opening scenes. So the second time through, I was more prepared for those first few scenes, then was able to settle in and enjoy the rest of it. Hope you have a good experience on your second viewing!
I thought I was seeing The Hobbit. I think I'm more upset about having been sold a bill of goods. I don't know what that was.
I am SMAUG! I kill when I wish! I am strong, strong, STRONG! My armor is like tenfold shields! My teeth like swords! My claws, spears! The shock of my tail, a thunderbolt! My wings, a hurricane! And my breath, death!
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since I rarely give movies I really like the highest rating. I even had to help a younger fan with the name of the next movie and when it's due out (he thought TABA still came out in July). Hoping to see it again on Christmas Day (since the theater it's playing in is also open on Christmas and New Year's, probably because it also has an arcade). Now, if only I can track down the Special Edition soundtrack (they still only have the regular edition in stores).
Far over the Misty Mountains cold To dungeons deep and caverns old We must away, ere break of day To find our long-forgotten gold.
I walked out of the theater furious with PJ. I can deal with him taking liberties with a FEW aspects of the story . . . maybe even SOME . . . but was there a part of this movie that was NOT a departure from the book, apart from Bilbo's conversation with Smaug? I felt like he took EVERY THING and said "how can we ramp this up/tease it out even more" without ever questioning whether that would add ANYTHING to the movie. And the whole 20 or 30 minutes after Bilbo talks to Smaug was the straw that broke my willingness to go along with him. WHAT WAS THE POINT?
At this point I'm not interested in seeing it again, buying ir, or seeing the third movie. Someone needs to bop PJ on the head and explain to him that he does NOT know better than Tolkien how to write a story that people will love. The way we imagine our lives is the way we are going to go on living our lives.
The thing is, that's how I felt right after seeing Jackson's Fellowship of the Ring. In both cases, I'd paid very little attention to the advance publicity, and I wonder if I'd have felt less violated had I known a bit about the kind of changes from the book that were coming. (The changes in the new film are, to be sure, much worse than those in FOTR.) -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Discuss Tolkien's life and works in the Reading Room! +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= How to find old Reading Room discussions.
The thing is, that's how I felt right after seeing Jackson's Fellowship of the Ring. In both cases, I'd paid very little attention to the advance publicity, and I wonder if I'd have felt less violated had I known a bit about the kind of changes from the book that were coming.
I was not happy when I left the theater after my first viewing of FotR, either. I've learned to make more allowances for book-to-screen changes when necessary, and to read all the spoilers in preparation for changes I likely won't agree are necessary changes. These Hobbit movies have required more than that, though. I've had to go Jedi for these. They're not the Hobbit movies I was looking for. They're the somewhat Hobbit-inspired movies we're getting. I'm free to walk out at any time. I've managed to enjoy both of them, but not in the same way.
FotR was by far my favorite of the LotR movies, and I seldom make it through the series when watching at home these days (which doesn't occur very often anymore), even with the fast-forward function. I prefer AUJ to DoS so far this time around, so the pattern continues. I'll see DoS a second time and buy the DVD to share with young cousins who've read the book, but I'm not at all excited for the third installment of this series. And if the spoilers for TABA really p*** me off, particularly over the few things I actually do/did want to see...I might skip it at the theater, and wait for the DVD. I still hope I'll like it, even if just barely. I just have reeeeally lowered expectations now. :/ **********************************
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... but reserve the right to change my mind after TABA. 'There is some woe that lies upon you... Why will you not tell me more?' 'For that woe is past,' said Galadriel; 'and I would take what joy is here left, untroubled by memory. And maybe there is woe enough yet to come, thought still hope may seem bright.'
It was NOT The Hobbit that Tolkien wrote, but I stopped expecting that story after I saw Azog standing on the precipice at Weathertop in the first movie. And I've always been a big supporter of the inclusion of Gandalf's side ventures, so I won't take points off for that being added to the plot.
DoS certainly has it's flaws, and there are a couple things about it I disliked, but the fact that there is no toilet humor and Goblin buffoonery in DoS puts it above AUJ for me (which I thought was an enjoyable, but disappointing, film). Plus, there are one or two scenes in DoS that are some of the best in all the Middle-earth movies thus far.
I know I should probably know better, but part of me is holding out hope that he will steer it back towards the book for TaBA.
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I'm sure anyone who knows my opinion on AUJ is shocked by that, but it's true. I loved the film! I still think it's slightly less than any of the LOTR films, but very close nonetheless. "Yet fairest of all are the willows of Nan-tathren, pale green, or silver in the wind, and the rustle of their innumerable leaves is a spell of music: day and night would flicker by uncounted, while still I stood knee-deep in grass and listened. There I was enchanted, and forgot the Sea in my heart." - Unfinished Tales
but I can't really tell if it's because of the movie, or because I've never been as emotionally invested in The Hobbit as in LotR, or because I overdid LotR ten years ago and burned out, or what.
I did love the visual interpretation of the scenery and the dragon. But I just didn't get into the story, or care much about the characters. Not enough Bilbo, maybe. The movie only really grabbed me during his scenes. Martin Freeman is perfect in the role.
I had a similar reaction to AUJ. I loved the "Good morning" scene, and after that I kind of lost interest until the Gollum scene. I saw AUJ once in the theater and bought the DVD and watched the first half hour and then got bored and turned it off.
I have to admit that while I loved FotR and saw it many, many times (fast-forwarding through the incredibly boring cave troll scene), my enthusiasm waned with TTT and RotK. I expected to be in tears at the end of RotK, and sat there dry-eyed and baffled at my reaction. I always cry at the end of the Rankin-Bass RotK.
And I prefer Rankin-Bass' Hobbit, (except for Otto Preminger's Thranduil, of course). I really missed the music in PJ's Hobbit. I found myself playing the Rankin-Bass music in my head throughout DOS: the barrel song, and the mountain king song. But then I'm in the minority of folks who was really disappointed in AUJ not to get any Tra-la-la-lally. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "For DORA BAGGINS in memory of a LONG correspondence, with love from Bilbo; on a large wastebasket. Dora was Drogo's sister, and the eldest surviving female relative of Bilbo and Frodo; she was ninety-nine, and had written reams of good advice for more than half a century." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A Chance Meeting at Rivendell" and other stories
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Great action scenes and plot... But Peter really strayed a lot from the book.
I also think that he stretched it out a bit, and there wasn't really an arc... That's all (not spoiling anything here). ..The Lord of Silver Fountains .....The King of Carven Stone ..The King Under the Mountain .......Shall come into his own
..And the bells will ring in gladness ......At the Mountain King's return ..But all shall fail in sadness ....And the lake will shine and burn
As I discussed in a long rambling 'review' on Off Topic, this isn't a Tolkien story for me. It lost the essence of The Hobbit and failed to find/achieve any epic similarity to LOTR.
As a stand alone movie, judged on the same standards I would any other movie, I liked it well enough to give it a 'Liked It' but dang it was way too long and could easily have been shorter. In fact, I think it would have been a better movie for loosing some of the side plots.
I think I actually preferred AUJ, and that's not really saying much. I only liked it well enough after it came out on blu ray and I watched it again a time or two, attempting to like it better. Maybe I will like this new movie better after watching it a time or two more. As for now, about the only thing it really had going for was the high frame rate which I saw for the first time last night. I really like it. Permanent address: Into the West
this concept of better or worse than AUJ came up in the car...
My son (who doesn't spend much time dwelling on what he doesn't like so he's not a ranter but he does have *opinions*) says he thought DOS was the worst of all '5' of the Middle-earth movies. Unequivocally.
I said that, it wasn't so much that I liked DOS better than AUJ but that there were fewer things that really irked me in DOS. Man I did not like the whole Goblin King thing nor the action sequences in the cave. There were things I didn't like about DOS but there wasn't anything I disliked as much as things in AUJ. If I went only on what I liked and was magically able to ignore what I didn't... then I might rate them comparatively different.
I am aware that, at some point, this all becomes a bit absurd. For every other movie I would either love, like, or dislike it and then, go on to talk about how much I loved it and why... what I liked about it... or just walk away from it.
But I have wanted to like The Hobbit films. Lots of my friends like The Hobbit films. I want to find a way to find some middling ground and give credit where credit is due.
Or maybe it's a Minnesota thing. We don't say something is bad. We say, "It's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick".
I have yet to get the Hobbit DVD. They decided not to sell the EE version in stores so I couldn't pick it up as a whim. Then I decided to hold off and let it be a Christmas gift option. I didn't get it from anyone. I need some printer ink and wanted to bump the order up to meet minimum for shipping and handling so perhaps I'll buy it this week.
And I do plan on going to DOS a few more times. Probably once more in first run and I will try for second run but my neighborhood second run theater only ran AUJ for one week at the 9:00-ish show time. It's hard for me to make a late night show during the work week.
but I must say... even with the willingness to buy the Hobbit DVDs and go to the theaters multiple times, there is no magic grabbing at my heart like with LOTR. Maybe I'm different. Maybe the times are different. Maybe it's the fault of these recent movies. I don't know and knowing wouldn't change my life so why struggle with knowing. But it is the reality of my experience. LOTR soundtrack website ~ magpie avatar gallery TORn History Mathom-house ~ Torn Image Posting Guide
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as a different story and get past the changes. But the changes weren't as extensive, and the heart of the story was intact. I didn't feel that way about DOS. Instead of a few changes, it felt like EVERYTHING was different.- including the tone. I don't even have the heart to try again.
I never cared as much about the book of The Hobbit as I did LOTR - so I think it's telling that the changes to the story were too much even for me to take. I was prepared to cut PJ more slack - but not as much as he took. The way we imagine our lives is the way we are going to go on living our lives.
I also am not a huge fan of the Hobbit. I can remember that, when I decided to reread LOTR before the movies came out, I thought I should start with the Hobbit and no matter how much I tried to make myself read that book, I just couldn't. So I didn't reread LOTR before seeing FOTR.
After seeing FOTR and realizing how much I had forgotten about the books, I decided to try again... and again, starting with The Hobbit.
Finally I just gave up and opened up FOTR and thus began a summer of transformation for me.
I have gone back and kind of reread the Hobbit since.
Therefore, I have almost no quibbles with changes from the book. It's just that, what I did love about the Hobbit - the little moments of whimsey and organic 'magic' (the thrush knocking at just the right moment... the talking ravens) - seemed stripped out of the movie.
And what was inserted was tinged with too much flash-bang action and a flirty love angle. I love romance but it needs to serve a purpose. Eowyn's attraction to Aragorn served a purpose for developing her character (even though the movie kind of bungled that to some extent). But I don't know what purpose the Kili attraction to Tauriel or the Tauriel isn't good enough for Legolas is serving.
"I decided to try again... and again, starting with The Hobbit.
Another fail. "
This is just like me... if you swap The Hobbit with LOTR
I'm giving the trilogy another shot (just ordered all three books...in English) Hoping against hope that it won't be, as you put it, another fail - because I do want to love LOTR the way I love The Hobbit.