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Concerning Kili and Tauriel...



Glum
Bree

Sep 2 2013, 1:53pm


Views: 1186
Concerning Kili and Tauriel...

Hello, I have a question which has been on my mind for a long time - there have been rumours that Kili and Tauriel are going to have a romantic relationship (meaning it's not the same as Gimli-Galadriel, but rather as Arwen-Aragorn). Some have already claimed that this is not a rumour, but a fact (and hate PJ for this as much as possible :-p ) So, could anyone here tell me what we know for sure about this relationship at this moment? Thank you very much :)


DwellerInDale
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 2:11pm


Views: 714
Ok, This question comes up frequently

Glum, this rumor originated from an interview quote from Aiden Turner (Kili), in Total Film Summer 2012 issue, which is archived here on TORn: http://www-images.theonering.org/torwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/TotalFilm-Summer2012.jpg

In the interview, Matthew Leyland writes "...as well as chasing treasure, he's also pursuing female elf Tauriel." Then there is a quote from Turner: "I guess he knows nothing can ever happen. She's about 20 ft tall and he's only two!" This one line was the source of all the rumors. What I've always interpreted it to mean is that there will be a moment or two of comedy in the Mirkwood scenes (Tauriel apparently rescues Fili and Kili from the spiders). Kili may have something of a crush on her, so they'll play it for a few laughs because of the height difference, etc. There won't be any "romance" as such, not like Aragorn and Arwen in LOTR, for example. Tauriel may be around for Kili's final scene, however (if you haven't read the book, I won't spoil it for you).

Don't mess with my favorite female elf.




(This post was edited by entmaiden on Sep 2 2013, 6:02pm)


Escapist
Gondor


Sep 2 2013, 2:24pm


Views: 631
I am neither worried nor surprised.

I think of Gimlis' reaction to Galadriel as precedent and in this case we have a much younger dwarf so a "crush" doesn't seem "off" to me in the slightest. It doesn't have to be full blown romance. Appreciation of beauty and kindness / friendliness is not outside the realm of dwarven emotion to be sure - and we are following a sample of 13 said dwarves on a very long quest. This capacity shouldn't go completely unrepresented.

These characters are supposed to be living, breathing people - not children either. While TH was written with children in mind as an audience, and for many kids "kissing is gross" and "girls / boys have cooties", these movies are being made with a grown-up audience in mind. If a long adventure takes place that brings people in contact across many different cultures (especially if any of those are human) and no one winks, blinks, sighs, crushes on, or full out falls in love with someone else it will seem "unreal", at least to me. I don't think that means that there has to be "romance" because actually, that is a little bit more rare than mainstream media seems to suggest - but weaker versions of it simply abound in reality. This sounds like "not romance" and just a highly believable reaction that one of the dwarves has to beautiful elf lady.


Escapist
Gondor


Sep 2 2013, 2:51pm


Views: 572
Also (sorry for double-post)

I think that Kili-Tauriel could emphasize the drama of the dwarven-elven misunderstanding and be pretty cool to watch. I think it could really draw more people in deeper into the story.

This is also a pseudo-romance that could easily be pulled off without needing to add tangential plotlines so it would pull people into the heart of the tale rather than away from it.


Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Sep 2 2013, 2:55pm


Views: 565
Really?


In Reply To
just a highly believable reaction that one of the dwarves has to beautiful elf lady.





IMO in accordance with canon, it would be a highly unlikely reaction, since Dwarves and Elves have been at each other's throats, so to speak, since the First Age... (Thus the admiration of Gimli for Galadriel, and also his friendship with Legolas is truly remarkable and ground-breaking.)

Unless someone can convince me that in PJ's FotR the reason the Elves and Dwarves at the Council of Elrond can barely stand the sight of each other is all down to the events of The Hobbit? Wink


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort


Symbelmine
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 5:07pm


Views: 543
Evangeline Lilly confirmed romance

some time ago.
Tauriel isn’t only a fierce warrior; she has a softer side, too. “She will definitely have a love story,” Lilly says. “I can’t give away too much about it. It’s not a huge focus but it is there and it is important and it does drive Tauriel and her story and her actions.”

I do think it will be Kili when we consider she likes dwarves "Tauriel is ‘quite unlike other Elves’ and it’s hinted that she quite likes the dwarves (or is, at least, intrigued by them)."
-The wood elves give chase through the forest when the dwarves escape in barrels, but don’t follow them out of the forest.
- Except for Tauriel, who does follow then to Lake-town (defying Thranduil) and Legolas who decides to follow Tauriel (because he’s ‘very protective of her’).

Looks like her relationship with Legolas will be more like between older brother and sister. PJ has already confirmed there is no romance between them.
Thranduil is unlikely too and Bard is a family man in the movie.


Glum
Bree

Sep 2 2013, 5:23pm


Views: 498
Is it really Kili?

I'm not sure whether this is a reliable source, but what they write here is "However, she adds that loving relationship may not necessarily be shared with Legolas himself, but someone much closer to him." http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2013/06/05/geek-peek-evangeline-lilly-aims-high-in-the-hobbit-the-desolation-of-smaug

If this text is reliable, how could Kili be romanticaly involved with Tauriel? He has nothing to do with Legolas, does he?


Semper Fi
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 5:30pm


Views: 460
Taurili >>>>>>>>>>> Legoriel

Elf and dwarf romance is interesting and different. They usually don't pair shorter man and taller woman. Also, this is interracial as well as inter-status (Kili is technically a Prince).

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



Semper Fi
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 5:32pm


Views: 478
Sounds like romance with Thranduil

which would make my prophecy that Tauriel becomes Silvan Queen of Mirkwood come true. I honestly don't see any other ending for her.

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



Skaan
Lorien


Sep 2 2013, 5:32pm


Views: 469
Maybe it's Thranduil?

I remember hearing rumors from somewhere that Tauriel would be in love with Thranduil, but the feelings would be one-sided. However, i hardly see people talk about this rumor anymore so maybe it's been debunked somewhere and i've missed it?


Semper Fi
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 5:35pm


Views: 454
I'm pulling for it actually

Because if she's involved with Legolas she'll die. Legolas is single in LOTR, put 2 and 2 together. OTOH, if she marries the King, her absence from LOTR is explained.

Though Taurieli would be adorkable, what Merrowyn would have been. Heart

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



DwellerInDale
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 5:36pm


Views: 469
No "romance" has been confirmed

None of Evangeline's quotes have mentioned the word "romance". This is something different from "love story", which could mean anything, including star-crossed feelings, which is where I believe they are going in the movie. Tauriel has some star-crossed feelings for Legolas, knows that it isn't posssible (him being a prince and a high elf), just like Kili may have some star-crossed feelings for Tauriel. So these feelings will in part motivate the characters' actions, but as I said above, I don't think there will be any actual "romance" a la Aragorn and Arwen.

Added in edit: I see that the Tauriel + Thranduil romance rumor hasn't died yet either. This rumor originated from a purported conversation between Stefan Servos and ringer ArchedCory at HobbitCon a while back; it was around April 1st so I strongly suspected that it was part of an April Fool's joke. In the same conversation it was reported that Azog dies in DOS, and that has been 100% debunked.

Don't mess with my favorite female elf.




(This post was edited by DwellerInDale on Sep 2 2013, 5:43pm)


Symbelmine
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 5:42pm


Views: 454
"[Elven king] Thrandruil, has a soft spot for Tauriel and sees something very special in her. "

Doesn´t sound like a romance to me.

I think she will die in BoFA. Just my speculation.


Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Sep 2 2013, 5:42pm


Views: 437
*Bingo*, Escapist,

to both posts, I'd say.


Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Sep 2 2013, 5:43pm


Views: 443
Dare I say it?


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the Elves and Dwarves at the Council of Elrond can barely stand the sight of each other


They were all male.Wink


Symbelmine
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 5:49pm


Views: 422
Nobody speaks about romance a la Aragorn/Arwen

I don´t believe Tauriel will have crossed feelings for Legolas, or Thraduil and that Kili and her will have fully developed romance including something of sort of "I choose a mortal life" and kissing. But I do believe there will be romantic feelings between two that drives Tauriel´s decision to follow dwarves to Lake Town and to help them.
I don´t say I like it.


DwellerInDale
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 5:52pm


Views: 408
The OP speaks about romance a la Aragorn / Arwen

That was Glum's question.

Don't mess with my favorite female elf.




Semper Fi
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 6:16pm


Views: 413
Thranduil's feelings for her are more important

whether they are romantic or father feelings. I'm hoping they won't take this route but I can see her dying so that Elves and dwarves have a sort of coming together while mourning their fallen. In the book, no distinguished Elf (aka Elf with a face that we would care for) died. And reconciliation over beloved deceased bodies is a standard device that brings warring sides together. Plus Legolas could be retaining friendly feelings for dwarves in memory of her, among other things. It seems to me that she is the one who will be sympathetic to dwarves first, not Legolas.

I'm rooting for Tauriel the Queen of Mirkwood solution, though.

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



(This post was edited by Semper Fi on Sep 2 2013, 6:18pm)


Escapist
Gondor


Sep 2 2013, 6:16pm


Views: 400
I do see your points.

Kili is probably too young to have lived through times when elves and dwarves were in actual conflict and is quite young for a dwarf. He was kind of naive about the orc raids at night and may also be prone to similar reactions in other situations. To him many of these issues are "just stories" that he is waking up to the reality of during the course of the movie.

Mere affection / attraction / infatuation / being "taken with" a beautiful person doesn't seem extremely ground-breaking or demanding of an explanation in any case. It isn't quite the same thing as devoted passion and happens kind of a lot.


Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Sep 2 2013, 6:39pm


Views: 406
OR denied!

You seem persistent in ignoring what Evangeline herself has to say on the matter:

https://twitter.com/...s/367013861838163970

ELVerified accountþ@EvangelineLilly 12 Aug
#TaurielTrivia Many of u have been asking about a Lego/Tauriel romance. I can neither confirm nor deny. #underpenaltyofdeath #Tauriel


When the Itaril character was dropped and Tauriel was introduced, PJ confirmed that there would be NO Tauriel-Legolas romance,

Why should Evie now be gagged from further confirmation of his statement unless it's one of two things?

Either the script has changed and there IS now a romance between the two,

OR

they (WB? PJ?) are determined to milk a possible controversy for all it's worth by refusing to kill off rumours - any publicity is good publicity!


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort


(This post was edited by Eleniel on Sep 2 2013, 6:40pm)


Semper Fi
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 6:55pm


Views: 404
PJ called casting call bogus

Yet almost everything in it came true. Radagast? Check. Female Elf who is the chief of King's Guard? Check. Some Orc character(s) with names? Check.

The only things that changed were Tauriel's name (formerly Itaril) and absence of Elf Lord of Rivendell (who many suspected to be the code for Legolas). That male character was her love interest and the romance had the class struggle element because he was a nobility. Sounds just like Legolas, no?

So why would anyone believe him that there would be no Legoromance? He denied it like he denied the accuracy of the casting call. That turned out to be an accurate casting call.

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



marillaraina
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 7:19pm


Views: 392
Kiliel? Taurili? TiKi? or Taurolas? or Thraniel?


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I think of Gimlis' reaction to Galadriel as precedent and in this case we have a much younger dwarf so a "crush" doesn't seem "off" to me in the slightest. It doesn't have to be full blown romance. Appreciation of beauty and kindness / friendliness is not outside the realm of dwarven emotion to be sure - and we are following a sample of 13 said dwarves on a very long quest. This capacity shouldn't go completely unrepresented.

These characters are supposed to be living, breathing people - not children either. While TH was written with children in mind as an audience, and for many kids "kissing is gross" and "girls / boys have cooties", these movies are being made with a grown-up audience in mind. If a long adventure takes place that brings people in contact across many different cultures (especially if any of those are human) and no one winks, blinks, sighs, crushes on, or full out falls in love with someone else it will seem "unreal", at least to me. I don't think that means that there has to be "romance" because actually, that is a little bit more rare than mainstream media seems to suggest - but weaker versions of it simply abound in reality. This sounds like "not romance" and just a highly believable reaction that one of the dwarves has to beautiful elf lady.


Agree, that's how I see it, mostly. I am usually the most "hate romance, more fighting!" person around(esp involving my favorite characters), but oddly I can see a little bit of a crush or kind feelings between Kili and Tauriel, if that happens, as being a good addition to the story in the sense of bringing home certain themes.

If you look at how they are described, they have similar traits. He's open-minded, she's open-minded. He is less affected by old prejudices, she's less affected by old prejudices. The very traits that made him so open to Bilbo is likely to make him open towards her. He's a bit reckless, she sounds a bit reckless. Sort of the dwarven and elven versions of each other, except she's a high ranking but common military elf and he's a dwarven prince(so she may be taller, but technically he outranks her lol).

It's pretty easy to see where the two could end up connecting, if that happens. I tend to think it will end up more affectionate friendship than real romance(again this hinges on Kili and Tauriel even being involved in any way in the first place but going by the vlog they do seem to have a scene together at some point).

It could be rather sweet and ultimately bittersweet actually while still being connected to the main plotline as a sort of little side plot helping to illuminate the larger more important plot.


dormouse
Half-elven


Sep 2 2013, 7:27pm


Views: 397
I'd say that an actual romance between them is incredibly unlikely...

At most, he might make some comment about her looks and be slapped down by the other dwarves.

It certainly isn't fact, it's a rumour that's been going round and, like all rumours, has taken on a life of its own. But then, people also believe she is going to be have a romance with Legolas, Bard, Thranduil - poor girl's going to be awfully busy!

The answer is we know absolutely nothing for sure.


(This post was edited by dormouse on Sep 2 2013, 7:28pm)


Semper Fi
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 7:27pm


Views: 368
That's a wonderful analysis of Kili and Rieli

Now all they need to do is find some quality screentime for Kili since he got ZERO in AUJ and there will be more characters in DOS who need introduction.

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



dormouse
Half-elven


Sep 2 2013, 7:43pm


Views: 344
Did he deny the accuracy of the casting call personally?

I remember that it was denied, I can't recall him denying it.

In any case, you ask why anyone would believe that there wasn't going to be a romance between Tauriel and Legolas? Easy - because he responded specifically and very clearly to that point. He said there isn't going to be a romance between them and I believe him 100%. And before you or anyone else jumps in with talk of knee jerk reactions and people who worship Peter Jackson, I'll just point out that I'm in the habit of believing people when they state categorically that such a thing is or isn't so. Any people - unless I have direct evidence that contradicts them.

I have no reason to think Peter Jackson would say this if it wasn't true - and in fact, it makes perfect sense to me anyway. Orlando Bloom is supposed to have been brought back into this film because Legolas was so popular first time round, especially with teenage girls, and that seems to be borne out by the way he's being promoted now. Well, those girls will be a bit older now but even so, the very idea that Legolas might have a love interest produced consternation in here some time back. The last thing Legolas fans want, it seems, is Legolas with a lady friend; all other considerations apart, I think that one alone rules it out. Peter Jackson says it won't happen and I believe him.

And as a minor point, why on earth would anyone use 'Elf Lord of Rivendell' as code for Legolas? He hasn't even been there at this point in the story!! For what it's worth, and I don't suppose we'll ever know, I'm guessing that when they changed Itaril to Tauriel, after Saoirse Ronan decided not to be in the film, they probably changed her storyline as well.


Semper Fi
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 7:50pm


Views: 419
Tauriel sounds like Itaril description

minus really Mary Sue-ish teenage aspect. I was a huge Itaril hater because the idea to have a teen Chief of King's Guard was so stupid I couldn't believe they were actually going with it. I also just hated that name, period. Itaril rhyms with drill and shrill. Yes, that annoying. So once they announced Evie and name change I was OK with the character. Tauriel saved us from Itaril. We dodged the bullet thanks to her.

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



marillaraina
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 8:08pm


Views: 406
Rieli? OK! :)


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Now all they need to do is find some quality screentime for Kili since he got ZERO in AUJ and there will be more characters in DOS who need introduction.


Yeah seriously. Dwalin, and Bofur had more lines among the 2nd line of dwarves(Thorin and Balin being the first), though I do think he managed to make the most of what little screen time he actually had. Besides the obvious one, his naivete, he's also brave, open to new things, protective and a a very good fighter who has the ability, if not always the experience, to think well on his feet when it comes to fighting.

But I do hope there is more quality and quantity in the next film. There's room for it in the sense of the aforementioned characteristics - because he does seem somewhat curious about the new cultures he's seeing, he does get injured(so a reason for him to interact with others in some way) so he can be a way to help introduce some of these new characters. Turner did mention in an interview Laketown would be important for his character, so assuming they don't cut it out, that may be where the quality screen time comes in.


(This post was edited by marillaraina on Sep 2 2013, 8:09pm)


Semper Fi
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 8:14pm


Views: 413
Coinsidering what happens to him and how at the end

They need to start developing his relationship with his uncle and brother pronto. Especially uncle. Those are such important 3 characters. Kili and Fili were marginalized in the book but movie simply can't afford to have their deaths without some good development that would give those deaths emotional impact.

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Sep 2 2013, 8:23pm


Views: 409
Can't believe I didn't see this before now...

Obviously Tauriel will heal Kili after she's finished healing the little girl (Bard's Tilda?) thus cementing their budding relationship!






In Reply To

But I do hope there is more quality and quantity in the next film. There's room for it in the sense of the aforementioned characteristics - because he does seem somewhat curious about the new cultures he's seeing, he does get injured(so a reason for him to interact with others in some way) so he can be a way to help introduce some of these new characters. Turner did mention in an interview Laketown would be important for his character, so assuming they don't cut it out, that may be where the quality screen time comes in.





"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort


Semper Fi
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 8:29pm


Views: 377
I'd like that

Smile

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Sep 2 2013, 8:35pm


Views: 383
Yes, in actual fact, that would be much better....

than them to simply get the hots for each other whilst Kili's locked up in Mirkwood!

I could stomach Kili, having formerly antagonistic or suspicious of Elves like his uncle would have brought him up to be, being enlightened by the Elf's compassion for him and his injuries...that would be much more in the "spirit of Tolkien" Smile


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort


IdrilofGondolin
Rohan

Sep 2 2013, 9:11pm


Views: 407
Rumors Rumors Rumors

Remember all those rumors about Aragorn and Eowyn before TT premiered? I was frantic when I read all the stories about the "romance" between Eowyn and Aragorn. It turned out to be pretty much like the book with Aragorn acting more like a protector and older brother to Eowyn even though she refused to see that. But that wasn't what was being spun in internet rumor land. I was having heart palpitations until I saw the film. Perhaps all these rumors will be like that. It is also possible that the romantic thread will be Tauriel interested in Kili and that is why she helps them escape. You know, by giving BIlbo access to keys and whatnot.


Semper Fi
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 9:15pm


Views: 383
Oh Gosh not like Aragorn and Eowyn

They so overstated Eowyn's pining for him. All those scenes with her puppy eyes longingly gazing in his direction. Please no!

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



marillaraina
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 9:46pm


Views: 360
I agree


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They need to start developing his relationship with his uncle and brother pronto. Especially uncle. Those are such important 3 characters. Kili and Fili were marginalized in the book but movie simply can't afford to have their deaths without some good development that would give those deaths emotional impact.


They simply can't afford to skimp on the relationships between the Durins, yet I have to admit I have some fears in that regard, because they talked about fathers and sons being important in the next film and mention Thorin and freaking Thrain(seriously the guy's dead or at least hasn't been heard from in decades do we really need to go back and develop a relationship between them that could be spent on people in the present?) and Legolas and Thranduil(and tbh I assume also Bard and Bain) and all I could think was:

What about Kili and Fili?

Thorin for all intents and purposes is apparently the closest thing to a father they've had for most of their lives, they are his heirs. The whole first movie Kili was practically Thorin's shadow, always trying to be ready to be of service, looking half devastated when Thorin got angry about the orc jokes he and Fili were having, Thorin's good opinion is obviously very important to Kili(and thus also a reason for drama if he doesn't share Thorin's opinion of the elves, at least not all elves--he didn't share Thorin's opinion of Bilbo either so that's kind of foreshadowing).

The relationship between Thorin and his nephews is partly why they end up DEAD when they are barely out of the dwarf equivalent of their teenage years. It's so important they don't skimp on it.

And if Thranduil ends up being something of a father figure to Tauriel, rather than her unrequited love:), with Legolas as a sort of an older brother, rather than unrequited love interest:), then it would also be another thing Kili and Tauriel have in common, at least in terms of their being a certain amount of symmetry to their story arcs.

If anything with Kili and Tauriel goes this direction I have to say that PJ, PB and Co were not lazy and clearly gave it some real thought. It's really rather a nice artful inclusion the way the two characters could end up mirroring each other and reflecting some part of the larger storyline.


(This post was edited by marillaraina on Sep 2 2013, 9:50pm)


Semper Fi
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 9:51pm


Views: 347
I really like your train of thought

Thorin as a father figure to Kili and Thranduil as a father figure to Tauriel as common trait that brings them to understanding each other and their races sounds much better than some clichéd "romantic love (aka cause they are hot!) made them change their view of the world". Plus that would allow for more interaction between Thorin and his heirs.

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



marillaraina
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 11:08pm


Views: 333
::blushes::


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Thorin as a father figure to Kili and Thranduil as a father figure to Tauriel as common trait that brings them to understanding each other and their races sounds much better than some clichéd "romantic love (aka cause they are hot!) made them change their view of the world". Plus that would allow for more interaction between Thorin and his heirs.



Thanks. I have a feeling I'm probably being too optimistic but as it is now, the story is set up to easily go in that direction. Whether it's the direction they chose is another thing all together. :)

I've always thought having significant interaction between Thorin and his heirs was very important, given what happens to them all. It would be a shame for Kili and Fili to die and have it be more like "ah well too bad" rather than "what terrible a waste of life and potential" which is actually something I think Tolkien, having experience WWI and lost so many young friends, would consider a worthy point to be made.

I'm not sure what initially made me think Thranduil might be more of a father figure for Tauriel, there was something in past spoilers, and reading about the bit in 2013 manual tith Legolas following her because he's protective didn't so much make me think "he LOVES her" as it made think of an older brother.

It's not hard to imagine Kili and Fili having a similar conversation, with Fili I imagine being more agreeable than Legolas initially seems to be, but still cautious and knowing it won't make Thorin and Thranduil, respectively, very happy.


DwellerInDale
Rohan


Sep 3 2013, 12:03am


Views: 326
Not at all: the value of such a rumor

Eleniel, I've always been aware of Evangeline's Twitter comment. I based my opinion (no real Tauriel-Legolas "romance") on the fact that Peter Jackson himself long ago denied that there was such a romance, and that Evangeline's Twitter comment would be a natural publicity-generating response for all of Legolas' legions of fans. If there is no romance and Evangeline just said "No", then imagine the fan response (dashed hopes). But if she coyly says "I can neither confirm nor deny", then that leaves the possibility open.

Of course, it is still possible that there has been a script change. Only time will tell.


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You seem persistent in ignoring what Evangeline herself has to say on the matter:


Don't mess with my favorite female elf.




Semper Fi
Rohan


Sep 3 2013, 10:59am


Views: 266
PJ's "No Legoromance" could well be like JJ's "No Khan"

we know how that one turned out. Laugh LaughLaugh

In short, careful when trusting the J's. LaughLaughLaugh

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



(This post was edited by Semper Fi on Sep 3 2013, 11:00am)


DwellerInDale
Rohan


Sep 3 2013, 11:19am


Views: 256
Abrams had room to maneuver, though....

...because as I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong), people asked Abrams "Will Benicio del Toro be playing Khan in the Star Trek sequel?", and he said "Not true."

Don't mess with my favorite female elf.




Semper Fi
Rohan


Sep 3 2013, 12:33pm


Views: 242
Both Abrams and Cumberbatch denied Khan

because of Abrams's mystery box.

I have a feeling that there will be a variation of Legoromance, but no kissing so they can always say it's no romance.

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



Elthir
Grey Havens

Sep 3 2013, 1:35pm


Views: 229
i as in machine


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I also just hated that name, period. Itaril rhyms with drill and shrill. Yes, that annoying.




Itaril is Quenya and attested in The Shibboleth of Feanor for example, becoming Idril in Sindarin form actually, and I'm no linguist but it's possible that Quenya short i is pronounced as in English machine rather than as in drill for instance. Actually, pronouncing i as in machine is much more than 'possible' here according to the pronunciation guide in The Return of the King, but that's a longer tale.

Why wood [pun alert] one of the Would-elves have a Quenya name? I don't know, but it's changed anyway so I'll move on. Actually, according to the filmmakers even Sindarin short i sounds like i as in machine, which I disagree with despite the guide in The Return of the King [as there we have RGEO to clarify in my opinion]. But I digress.


Alright then. Is Lilly's comment about a 'love story' sound or not? I can't read all these posts! Someone who knows -- and was so interested in my subject line as to actually read this annoying, possibly incorrect but yet pedantic post -- sum up the scenario please.

Crazy


(This post was edited by Elthir on Sep 3 2013, 1:43pm)


Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Sep 3 2013, 1:46pm


Views: 221
EL made this comment...

during her Tauriel Q&A Twitter chat on August 12...




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Many of u have been asking about a Lego/Tauriel romance. I can neither confirm nor deny. #underpenaltyofdeath



Which begs the question, if PJ categorically denied a Lego/Tauriel romance when the Tauriel character was announced, whiy is Evie not allowed to?






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Alright then. Is Lilly's comment about a 'love story' sound or not? I can't read all these posts! Someone who knows -- and was so interested in my subject line as to actually read this annoying, possibly incorrect but yet pedantic post -- sum up the scenario please.







"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort


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Elthir
Grey Havens

Sep 3 2013, 1:49pm


Views: 217
Thanks but...

... I meant is her more general comment about a 'love story' sound, which would be different from confirming [or not] a 'romance' with Legolas.

Earlier someone posted this:


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Tauriel isn’t only a fierce warrior; she has a softer side, too. “She will definitely have a love story,” Lilly says. “I can’t give away too much about it. It’s not a huge focus but it is there and it is important and it does drive Tauriel and her story and her actions.”




Is that much, at least, 'sound'? Sorry if I was unclear before.


(This post was edited by Elthir on Sep 3 2013, 1:52pm)


Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Sep 3 2013, 1:59pm


Views: 201
Oh, right...

Well, those comments were taken from this interview in Engtertainment Weekly...

http://www.movieweb.com/...ine-lilly-as-tauriel


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort


Skaan
Lorien


Sep 3 2013, 2:14pm


Views: 199
Well

Just because PJ said that in the past, doesn't mean EL is suddenly allowed to talk about it aswell. She was probably unfamiliar with PJ's statement in the past and therefore thought it would be the wisest to just not confirm/deny it (because she's not allowed to mention anything about the plot)

I understand your confusion (i tend to read way too much into certain quotes/lines aswellTongue), but i wouldn't look so deep into that if i were you.


Elthir
Grey Havens

Sep 3 2013, 2:39pm


Views: 182
Thanks

I see. So the plot thickens.

Well from my perspective anyway, since I hadn't read this Wink

I didn't know this during my last chat here about Kili, when I endured, as it seemed to me, the painful pointing fingers of correction and caution: that it was a reporter who said Kili was 'pursuing' Tauriel, not Turner. Yes that was true, and I was ashamed as I had not noted the clear distinction in the interview. And yes, maybe that reporter was wrong or being misleading, despite talking to folks who should know [one would assume].

And so, given only Turner's actual comment to go by, I slogged away to reconsider; and scorn was my supper that night, served by me to me, if no one else, and it was bitter [but nourishing!]

... but now this: a 'love story'.

Hmm.

Although it doesn't actually say 'Lilly said' directly before the quote in question Tongue


DwellerInDale
Rohan


Sep 3 2013, 2:57pm


Views: 193
The Story So Far

Elthir, here's a summary of what I know so far on the topic of "Tauriel romance / love story":

  • Peter Jackson said, after announcing the creation of the character Tauriel and describing her role briefly, that she was not created as a love interest for Legolas.
  • In the Total Film article (Summer 2012) referenced above, Matthew Leyland wrote about Kili: "In addition to chasing treasure, he's also pursuing female elf Tauriel." What exactly Aiden Turner said about this is not known. I would bet the farm that he did not use the word "pursue"; it doesn't sound like anything he would say. Rather it sounds like Leyland's attempt to write a "cute" sentence (in Luke Evans' portion Leyland writes "Since being cast as a hot, dragon-bothering archer in The Hobbit, Evans has gone from Bard to worse" (groan) ). Aiden Turner's only quote on the subject of Tauriel was "I guess he knows nothing can ever happen. She's about 20 ft tall and he's only two!" My take on this has been that it will provide some comedy in DOS because of the height difference, etc., but there will be no "romance" as such.
  • In April of this year, an attendee of HobbitCon in Germany was told by the DOS panel organizer, Stefan Servos, that (1) Azog dies in DOS, and (2) Tauriel has a big crush on Thranduil, tells him about it and gets rejected, and pouts about the rejection by deliberately letting the Dwarves escape. This rumor sounded pretty absurd, and I was very suspicious because of the timing (around April 1st) that the conversation was reported to have taken place. I also searched more than 20 subsequent pages of the Herr der Ringe website in German pertaining to Thranduil, and found nothing at all. Plus, we know for sure now that the Azog part is untrue.
  • The rumors concerning Legolas started up again this summer as the publicity for DOS began. In an interview with Entertainment Weekly, Evangeline stated that Tauriel "definitely has a love story", but did not elaborate and said that it "was not a huge focus". Concerning Legolas, she says:

“Tauriel’s relationship with Legolas is significant. They’ve known each other since they were children, and Legolas’ dad, [Elven king] Thranduil, has a soft spot for Tauriel and sees something very special in her. So if you grow up side by side, and your dad has a very special spot in his heart for this young woman who’s a fantastic warrior, I think it’s hard not to notice her.” She laughs. “That’s probably as much as I can say.”
So it's all left vague, with many possible interpretations. The most probable scenario is that she has some star-crossed feelings for Legolas, but that this never becomes a "romance". We may have to wait until December to find out.
  • Finally Evangeline reiterated the "coy" comment concerning Legolas in a recent Twitter discussion with fans. "Many of u have asked about a Lego / Tauriel romance", she wrote. "I can neither confirm nor deny, under penalty of death". As I said above, this sounds a lot like publicity, to hint about Legolas (most of the Twitter followers will probably never have heard Peter Jackson's comment from a long time ago). Another reason for being so coy, which I did not mention before, is that the actors all have strict "gag" clauses in their contracts; they are forbidden to reveal plot details. Hence the "under penalty of death" phrase (she also used this when asked whether Tauriel will speak with Thorin).

That's my summary of the story so far...

Don't mess with my favorite female elf.




(This post was edited by Altaira on Oct 31 2013, 10:29pm)


Semper Fi
Rohan


Sep 3 2013, 2:58pm


Views: 175
Things might have changed in the meantime

They could have decided against Legoromance in the spur of the moment (negative reactions) and then go back to it when everyone calmed down.

Can't deny or confirm usually means "yes but not allowed to say it".

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



Elthir
Grey Havens

Sep 3 2013, 3:27pm


Views: 164
Thanks Dweller

Well done. I appreciate it.

Okay so Lilly said: 'It's not a huge focus but it is there and it is important and it does drive Tauriel and her story and her actions.' And yes I could have underscored the first five words and nothing else, for example.

And it's not a 'huge' focus? Proceed with caution, okay yes; but huge is an interesting choice of word Smile


marillaraina
Rohan


Sep 3 2013, 11:05pm


Views: 162
love love love


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“Tauriel’s relationship with Legolas is significant. They’ve known each other since they were children, and Legolas’ dad, [Elven king] Thranduil, has a soft spot for Tauriel and sees something very special in her. So if you grow up side by side, and your dad has a very special spot in his heart for this young woman who’s a fantastic warrior, I think it’s hard not to notice her.” She laughs. “That’s probably as much as I can say.”


That's it, that's the quote that made me think of them more like a family(even if she's just sort of semi-adopted).

I can't see how a romantic feelings for Legolas would drive her actions. Given his own place(he's not in charge, his father is) - her letting the dwarves go wouldn't seem like it would be "revenge"(plus it doesn't seem like she does, as she follows them to Lake Town despite being told not to) for her feelings not being requited. This isn't ike Eowyn who, Tauriel is leader of the guards, she doesn't need to "run off" to make a point or go to a glorious death instead continuing to live an insignificant life. If she wanted to die there are more convenient ways to do it for her.

It doesn't sound like there is any romantic thing going on with Thranduil but to be honest her actions make more sense in the context of an unrequited love for Thranduil than one for Legolas - I could see how that situation could drive her to take some of the actions she supposedly takes.


(This post was edited by marillaraina on Sep 3 2013, 11:07pm)