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New trailer right here: Post your reactions! (some Smaug spoilers in the trailer)



QuackingTroll
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 4:46pm


Views: 5737
New trailer right here: Post your reactions! (some Smaug spoilers in the trailer)

http://youtu.be/dUlxoZRwUS0


(This post was edited by entmaiden on Jun 11 2013, 6:03pm)


bungobaggins
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 4:51pm


Views: 2995
OMG //

 

"You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - Gandalf

Darth Bungo: "Gandalf the Gray never told you what happened to your father."
Bilbo Barrel-rider: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him."
Darth Bungo: "No, I am your father."


Lauryn
Bree

Jun 11 2013, 4:52pm


Views: 2947
omg!

OMG


Magpie
Immortal


Jun 11 2013, 4:52pm


Views: 2963
fan.... tastic!

Now I'll go watch it a few more times.

(I love my new computer that lets me watch HD without stuttering! must thank son for Mother's Day gift)


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Merowen
The Shire

Jun 11 2013, 4:55pm


Views: 2979
Thranduil

is awesome, probably the best thing in the trailer. Not sure I like Tauriel, though. I was expecting a more amazing Smaug. The scene with Bilbo sliding down the treasure put a smile upon my face.

Never ask an Elf for advice, for he will say both 'Yes' and 'No'.


Joe20
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 4:57pm


Views: 2874
WWOOAAHHH.

Initial impressions.. Awesome! Love it. Colour grading a little jarring as is some of the CGI. Not sold on Tauriel but WOW.


DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 11 2013, 4:57pm


Views: 2974
Hmmm...

Is that really Smaug, or is that a fake?


dubulous
Rohan

Jun 11 2013, 4:59pm


Views: 2945
Amazing but...

...I gotta say I could have traded all the Tauriel bits to even a small glimpse of Galadriel at Dol Guldur.

The beginning was Thranduil's vo was my favourite, as well as Balin in the end.


bungobaggins
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 4:59pm


Views: 2964
I still can't believe that they showed his head.

Even though it was covered by mostly shadow.

"You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - Gandalf

Darth Bungo: "Gandalf the Gray never told you what happened to your father."
Bilbo Barrel-rider: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him."
Darth Bungo: "No, I am your father."


ThorinIIIStonehelm
The Shire


Jun 11 2013, 5:00pm


Views: 2819
Incredible!!!

Can't wait!!! Smile


Escapist
Gondor


Jun 11 2013, 5:01pm


Views: 2852
I LOVE how this opens up!

I love the glimpse of the dragon and the various arguments between characters. I think they did a fantastic job of bringing in a more serious, epic, dramatic, and dark tone in.

The only criticism I have ... and I may sound like a broken record ... but I have to toot this horn ...
If you are going to rely on CGI for a lot (and I love how the increased use of CGI allows the presentation of elves as more than human with pointy ears by the way) - then it is so critical to make every CGI frame a top priority - I guess it is probably like making the bed or doing the dishes - one of those neverending jobs that a person can sink infinite amounts of time into - but - gotta do it.

I also really enjoyed the dialogue - this is something that required tons of creative and insightful work because it is not there in the book (with a few exceptions).


Jim
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 5:05pm


Views: 2838
Indeed......

The Dragon's head we see in this trailer doesn't look the one we saw in the AUJ. The eyes and the shape of the snout are completely different. Would love someone to do capture a side by side comparison of the two because I don't think they are the same.


Shagrat
Gondor

Jun 11 2013, 5:10pm


Views: 2785
Encouraging trailer

Obviously the CGI, particularly on Smaug, needs a lot of work, but they have 5 months, so plenty of time.


little mouse
Rivendell

Jun 11 2013, 5:11pm


Views: 2808
Smaug: "You should have let me sleep"

Great trailer, like this one more than the ones for the first movie










Since the posters look similar I wonder where are Kirk and Spock?


namarie
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 5:13pm


Views: 2755
I like how the first part of the trailer

has a LOTR feeling to it.

I didn't expected to see the dragon. That was a surprise.

Thranduil's halls, just wow.
I have a bit of mixed feeling about Smaug.
I need to watch it again.

Is it me or the image seems even more clearer then the AUJ?


“The world is not in your books and maps. It's out there!”


Carne
Tol Eressea

Jun 11 2013, 5:20pm


Views: 2587
Plus a lot of these shots were probably handed in weeks ago for the trailer

Only thing I don't like is how cartoony some of the forest parts look. Too bright.


aifeme
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 5:21pm


Views: 2544
YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!

I got goosebumps, guys! Love it! They showed us more than I expected.
Smaug and Beorn are PERFECT!!!


Olorin2607
Lorien

Jun 11 2013, 5:22pm


Views: 2639
Cool.. except for Smaug.

I'm certainly impressed by it overall. Smaug though... he looks not finished. His CGI is really not very great ATM.


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 5:22pm


Views: 2628
I feel like a broken record BUTT

This CGI is nowhere near finished. They had to turn this in a few weeks ago. They still have another FIVE months of time to finesse these shots and believe me knowing WETA they'll take it to the last second to make it look perfect.

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DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 11 2013, 5:23pm


Views: 2696
Some of my observations:

- Snow (and ice) throughout Erebor, Dale and Laketown. Chilly!
- The Hidden Door appears to be behind one of the big Dwarf Statues (which I said it would be!)
- Thorin also nearly drops the key off the edge.
- No lids on the barrels ...
- Why are there slugs on Thranduil's brow?
- All the Elves (Chasing the barrels) seem to have similar hair to Tauriel
- Is that just a bear, or Beorn!bear?
- What is that Elf pointing out to Legolas? Probably leaving Thranduil's Halls?
- Thorin opens the Hidden Door at night/sunset (phew)
- Also seems to be something above the door, inside the tunnel - a carving maybe?
- Bilbo is in the water ... but not invisible
- CGI of the chamber seems a bit off, but Smaug looks good
- Is that the same Smaug from AUJ? We need a comparison.

I enjoyed it overall. Too much CGI though. General public will be left baffled - doesn't really get across any of the story, does it?


(This post was edited by DanielLB on Jun 11 2013, 5:26pm)


Glorfindela
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 5:23pm


Views: 2549
Thranduil and his halls are wonderful!

I really look forward to seeing more of Thranduil. Loved the glimpses of Thorin and the other Dwarves, and Bilbo. The barrels scene looks amazing.

I'm sorry, haters, but the glimpse of Azog is really good, too – he looks amazingly athletic!

Smaug: I think we have to wait and see how he is developed. One can't really say much following the small glimpse we have of him – clever of PJ and Co not to reveal much!

What is that dog-like creature at a door?

Thank you so much for posting the link.

(Is this site about to crash? It seems very slow. High board traffic?)


Yngwulff
Gondor


Jun 11 2013, 5:24pm


Views: 2496
watched it like 6 times ... so far

I miss Galadriel too, but maybe Dol Guldur fight will be in part 3.

Seems like its gonna be a lot better than part 1 .... a lot better!

The split to 3 movies robbed some of the umph from part 1 IMHO


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Elvanui
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 5:24pm


Views: 2495
Mirkwood!

Aah I love the look of Mirkwood!

And I really liked Tauriel's line about evil. But mostly Mirkwood.

"...under all there was a great joy: a fountain of mirth enough to set a kingdom laughing, were it to gush forth."

(This post was edited by Elvanui on Jun 11 2013, 5:27pm)


Merowen
The Shire

Jun 11 2013, 5:25pm


Views: 2583
Did anyone notice

the dwarves are fighting while in the barrels? And they are being attacked by (sadly cartoonish) elves.

Never ask an Elf for advice, for he will say both 'Yes' and 'No'.


Pazeer
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 5:27pm


Views: 2485
Smaug

Just want to point out that if you stop the trailer near the end and look at the far side of Smaugs face, you will see it's very different, and you can see his scales and all.
The point is that the side of his face that is facing towards Bilbo, and us, is affected by the light, and therefore it is probably not this way he will appear for the most time in the movie!
Just my thoughtsSmile


namarie
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 5:28pm


Views: 1592
I would like to think that's Beorn bear :) //

 


“The world is not in your books and maps. It's out there!”


trqn13
Bree


Jun 11 2013, 5:29pm


Views: 1587
good spot

hat tip for finding it early quackingtroll,,,,
absolutely brilliant trailer only fault i can think of is only a few mere glimpses of Bilbo in it, Balin got nearly the same amount of focus as the main character. you guys feel this way?

"Give me your name, Horse Master, and I shall give you mine"


dormouse
Half-elven


Jun 11 2013, 5:30pm


Views: 1619
Breathtaking...

Everything - from the Lonely Mountain onwards...
The glimpse of the dwarves climbing the broken gate statue...
Thranduil and his realm, with echoes of Lorien
Beorn
Bilbo and the butterflies
Laketown and the snow
Bard
Smaug

Just breathtaking.


Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea


Jun 11 2013, 5:30pm


Views: 1659
I'm still getting used to how different this trilogy is...

...from LotR. So much more color, CGI, etc. I'm not necessarily saying that as a negative, but it's still startling. I keep approaching these trailers from a LotR standpoint, which were much more traditional filmmaking (despite their own use of CGI - in addition to other, more traditional, VFX).

Looks good, though. I'm excited to see Evangeline! Smile (Big Lost fan here.)

"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence


(This post was edited by Aragorn the Elfstone on Jun 11 2013, 5:31pm)


tommybhoy
The Shire

Jun 11 2013, 5:33pm


Views: 1529
.

I really liked everything. CGI looks a bit too CGI but it's okay. I really liked Tauriel, it's weird to me that almost a years after her announcement people still refuse to see that she's not completely made up but a female version of Captain of the guard.


Kullervo
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 5:35pm


Views: 1499
Looks great!

I'm really surprised they revealed Smaug! And he looks great in my opinion. Ancient, wise, cunning and evil. And he appears to move like a great worm.

And otherwise the trailer was beautiful also. Visually somehow gloomy and colorful at the same time. It looks like a fairytale that is about to get very dark. I liked it alot. Come on december!

BTW anybody know what the music was that was used? Is it Howard Shore? It was maybe the only part that seemed a tad lacking to me. Not bad, but maybe a little generic. Though it did fit quite nicely with the mood.


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 5:36pm


Views: 1497
I;m so amazed

at how different this film looks from any other installment of Middle-Earth. All the locations feel completely different and fresh.

"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien

"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas


MomoftheShire
Rivendell

Jun 11 2013, 5:36pm


Views: 1496
WOW!

Just WOW!


Yngwulff
Gondor


Jun 11 2013, 5:39pm


Views: 1487
Barrels and fighting

Some said the elves were attacking them .... I disagree

When I saw it I thought goblins were attacking the dwarves .... got the impression from what Tauriel says she and Legolas defend them against the goblins thus allowing them to escape .... anybody else think that too ???


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moonrunes
The Shire


Jun 11 2013, 5:41pm


Views: 1449
Oh

I thought that was a wargLaugh

The trailer was really awesome, but what was with all the jumping twirling fighting?

How could Thrain leap at least 30 ft on top of Gandalf?


FrogmortonJustice65
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 5:41pm


Views: 1494
Very much enjoyed this with 2 tiny caveats...

Let me preface my thoughts by saying that I thought this trailer was superb!. Should be a great movie! Great imagery, good acting, and it looks like this trip to Middle Earth will build upon the excitement and wonder of our first trip.

That being said, I have 2 minor (teeny-tiny) complains:

1) Azog...he was only teased for about a frame. I'm not too enthusiastic about him. I suppose this is more a problem with the movie itself than with the trailer.

2) Gandalf and Radagast's exchange about "traps". I can see the comparisons to Admiral Ackbar from Return of the Jedi coming miles away. It's kind of a goofy bit of dialogue that's a little out of place in Tolkien's Middle Earth. But whatever, I'm sure the scene will be fine.

On a side note, Mirkwood looks quite visually stunning - not quite how I imagined it but exciting nonetheless. Looks somewhat like Lothlorien but new and unfamiliar nonetheless. Should be very exciting.

Also interesting that Beorn was not teased in this trailer.

Would've liked a little bit more focus on Bilbo as well (though that shot of Bilbo and the butterflies was quite aesthetically pleasing) but I understand their desire to tease Legolas and others.

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Bombadil
Half-elven


Jun 11 2013, 5:41pm


Views: 1497
After Pausing it a few time...Notice

In th 2Shot of Tauriel & Legolas...on the Right
you see Laketown in the distance!

Much larger than in the Book,
but Bomby is Fine
with all of it.


MomoftheShire
Rivendell

Jun 11 2013, 5:42pm


Views: 1446
Here's a pretty version with no subtitles!

http://www.thehobbit.com/index.html


DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 11 2013, 5:43pm


Views: 1635
Perhaps the geekiest observation


Quote
"Revenge!" he snorted, and the light of his eyes lit the the hall from floor to ceiling like scarlet lightning.


As Smaug's head comes around the corner, his eye lights up the wall (and Bilbo).

Laugh


cats16
Valinor

Jun 11 2013, 5:43pm


Views: 1406
Wow! Just wow!

This was so awesome! I couldn't believe how many of the new set pieces and characters we got to see. The only notable absence is really the Master of Laketown. I'm still watching this on loop, looking at some of the details. I'm trying to figure out where exactly Azog's attack is taking place. And when it happens. It's really bright, and doesn't seem to be inside the same parts of Mirkwood the dwarves take before meeting the elves. So could it be afterwards? I'm wondering what sort of building/tower he's climbing to the top of, and if this is some sort of watchtower near the eastern border of the forest. I'm still processing it all now, so maybe we'll all come to a consensus after awhile here.

First reaction to Smaug: looked a little plastic and jerky.
Second reaction to Smaug (2nd view): awesome!

The more I see it again and again, the more I already love his design. I think my screen was getting a weird glare when Smaug came on screen, so he didn't look quite right. But now, I love it. And I cannot wait for all of the CG to come together in the next few months. They'll make it perfect.

And the music! All of it sounds like it could be from the film. Unless someone here has heard them before, in another film? I can't imagine so. It seemed very original and...well...incredible.

I'm really impressed with how this trailer was put together. It really builds up the threats that the Company will face, and climaxes (with great music, again) to the revealing of Smaug's face, albeit mostly in shadow. Once I saw his face, I kept wondering: "Will they show him talk?!" Especially when he gives that little turn, right at the end. I was thinking we would hear BC's voice, ending it on that note. But...that's for another time.

Gosh, so many things. I can't wait for all of the specific threads to come out of this, as there is so much to talk about!!!SmileSmileHeart


namarie
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 5:44pm


Views: 1442
Laketown looks just amazing

and I like the bit of dialog between Tauriel and Legolas.

I think they will do a good job with Tauriel after all.


“The world is not in your books and maps. It's out there!”


bungobaggins
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 5:44pm


Views: 1391
I don't know...

it sure looks like they're drawing their bows and aiming at the dwarves when they are running along the tree branches. I'm figuring that they will initially pursue the company and then run into Azog and friends closer to the edge of the forest.

"You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - Gandalf

Darth Bungo: "Gandalf the Gray never told you what happened to your father."
Bilbo Barrel-rider: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him."
Darth Bungo: "No, I am your father."


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 5:46pm


Views: 1348
Any way to download and watch in Quicktime?

I'd like to be able to go frame by frame Tongue

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel




imin
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 5:47pm


Views: 1341
Looks pretty good

I think it's hard to give a definitive answer as the CGI is unfinished for things such as Smaug who looked bad in this but will look good once they finish the CGI.

I thought Thranduil was brilliant again and look forward to seeing more of Lee Pace. Laketown and Dale looked great. Thought Thranduil's halls have a look that is too similar to other places in M-e with the high narrow walkways but i guess they give a feeling of epicness.

I didn't mind the look of Tauriel and her lines sounded fine. Wish we could have seen more Bilbo but i am sure we will see more of him in the run up to the film's release.

Overall a mostly positive mixed bag. Things were too bright such as Mirkwood, i know people will say if they were darker we wouldn't see what is going on, but that isn't true as loads of films and tv shows have scenes considerably darker and the CGI and colour grading again look way over done but at least it is in keeping with AUJ so won't be jarring going from AUJ to DoS.

Bard looked great and i am really looking forward to the whole Laketown part.

Barrels and the chasing elves is what i expected but wished we weren't getting. I think we will be seeing a Hobbit barrel ride at a theme park sometime soon, lol.

Beorn as a bear was cool and i am really pleased they didn't show him in human form as i want something kept a surprise!

I think if i liked the colour palette and CGI i would love it as i don't i am more just liking it, but that's a massive improvement over AUJ so i am really happy and my dislikes are minor (narrow walkways, CGI of Smaug, not enough bilbo) so i am hopeful this will be a great film! yay!

'What's the matter with you?' - J.R.R. Tolkien


Shagrat
Gondor

Jun 11 2013, 5:48pm


Views: 1377
Giant Dog

The creature at Beorn's door very much appears to be a giant dog, presumably his. I'm guessing our company may think it is a Warg.


jtarkey
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 5:48pm


Views: 1467
I now see what direction this trilogy is going in...

And it's pretty much the polar opposite of how the book reads. An introspective fairy tale has been turned into nothing more than an array of CGI spectacle and OTT action sequences. It actually blew me away. Are they really turning the barrel ride into an Avatar-esque chase sequence, filled with Elves sliding on trees like Tarzan, and dwarves fighting while in the barrels?! It's one of the most OTT things I've ever seen. However, I'm going to go in a totally different direction and say this:

If that trailer hadn't been for The Hobbit, I probably would have said it looked pretty cool. As an action movie that I expect nothing out of other than sugary CGI spectacle, it looks alright. As an adaptation of The Hobbit by J.R.R. Tolkien, it is ludicrous beyond reason.

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 5:49pm


Views: 1360
Laketown

I love the look of Laketown.

But the shot is the dwarves climbing up the stone dwarf statue is even more breathtaking!

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel




Elvanui
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 5:49pm


Views: 1339
Daniel you star!

That's amazing Laugh

"...under all there was a great joy: a fountain of mirth enough to set a kingdom laughing, were it to gush forth."


bungobaggins
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 5:49pm


Views: 1309
I think Bilbo is featured slightly more than Balin

considering the last ten seconds feature him and Smaug. However, I would have liked to have heard some dialogue from Bilbo. Not totally sold on Tauriel yet (not a big fan of how she is delivering her dialogue, I don't know if it's the accent or the dialogue itself).

"You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - Gandalf

Darth Bungo: "Gandalf the Gray never told you what happened to your father."
Bilbo Barrel-rider: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him."
Darth Bungo: "No, I am your father."


namarie
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 5:51pm


Views: 1274
and the award for the geek of the year goes tooo....:P//

 


“The world is not in your books and maps. It's out there!”


jimmyfenn
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 5:53pm


Views: 1381
itd make a good computer game ;)

its true, thelotr trilogy seems so much more grown up compared to the way the hobbit trilogy feels, which sort of works.

good stuff is epic, the now dubious stuff is making me cringe, but im optimistic.

weta seem to do landscapes,places etc brilliantly but when it comes to digital doubles its just too obvious, for evey cgi shot of an elf i cant help thinking a stuntman could have done that.(cgi legolas and tree elves took me out of the trailer, computer game much?)

smaug - im worried, but cant judge yet.
its odd it feels like more of a kids trilogy but the wizards storyline is stillconfusing even me.

everything else brilliant

will smaug die, not so sure, not much story left after that just politics then a big battle.

"You Tolkien to me?!" - Hobbit de Niro


MasterOrc
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 5:54pm


Views: 1470
Wouldn't you suspect that Smaug's...

head is being deliberately shown this way (dark and shadowed) to avoid too much detail. Be assured the full detailed Smaug is going to be spectacular...this was nothing more than a teaser...Wink


(This post was edited by MasterOrc on Jun 11 2013, 5:56pm)


DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 11 2013, 5:54pm


Views: 1379
Or ...

It's a bear. Wink


Carne
Tol Eressea

Jun 11 2013, 5:54pm


Views: 1555
57 screenshots for your viewing pleasure:

http://imgur.com/a/ByJMY


bungobaggins
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 5:56pm


Views: 1341
I'd reccommend

http://keepvid.com for downloading youtube videos, just copy paste the url you want to download. I just downloaded it myself. Smile

"You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - Gandalf

Darth Bungo: "Gandalf the Gray never told you what happened to your father."
Bilbo Barrel-rider: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him."
Darth Bungo: "No, I am your father."


Macfeast
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 5:57pm


Views: 1382
Initial observations.

Astounding visuals, even for this franchise; I think they're going to outdo themselves this time.

The ruins of Dale from a distance looked very Tibet-esque.

Thranduil continues to be captivating. Balin? Still love him.

Surprisingly much of Smaug. I can't say I expected to see that much of him. On the flipside, surprisingly little of Beorn. Expected more of him.

Echoing what Kullervo said: A great mixture of gloom and cheer, a fairytale about to turn dark.

The mystery surrounding Thráin thickens. It appears that, when Gandalf now runs into Thráin, he is carrying Glamdring, so when did Gandalf get the key?

My only two pet-peeves: The barrel-ride being turned into a fight-sequence, and the dwarves seemingly being chased to Beorn's house (taking away the lovely introduction to Beorn).


deskp
Lorien

Jun 11 2013, 5:57pm


Views: 1334
uh

I think it appears to be an animated kids film.

Why does all the action scenes have to be larger than life? barrels bouncing around drawves figgthing, bilbo falling thrrough alooot of trees.

so much for the darker middle chapter, this looks more goofy than ever.

Not saying it looks bad. but sure its such a big gap between this and lotr.

Tranduil glorious as ever!

If PJ wanted to blow me away with that smaug he failed. They should have kept him hidden till we can see him for real. He looks like a puppet in this trailer. hope he's better in real movie.


Kullervo
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 5:57pm


Views: 1312
Thank you!

 


CathrineB
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 5:58pm


Views: 1349
My thoughts

- To me Thranduil is what stood out of the trailer to me. He looks ridiculously amazing Cool I LOVE the voice over and Mirkwood.

- Legolas however all over looks really CGI. A lot of CGI in the trailer, but Legolas in particular almost looked all CGI like Azog.

- I think Azog might grow on me. I didnt like him first as he looks kinda unfinished, but at the same time. HUGE! I love that.

- Erebor, Mirkwood, Lake Town, Barrels out of Bond. Looks great.

I do agree with the broken record that is too muc CGI though. I wont like this movie in 3D either. I hated seeing AUJ in 3D, but I think I'll like it better in 2D.
I just wished the could focus more on the story than the CGI because how many reviews from AUJ doesn't talk mainly about the CGI?


Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Jun 11 2013, 5:58pm


Views: 1365
Well, in many respects that was awesome!!!

  
I loved Thranduil, and the design of his Halls, Bilbo and the butterflies and the aerial shot of Laketown even though I'm still not enthused over the CGI - that very first shot of the boat on the lake looks so obviously fake....as did one of Legolas's appearances where it was very obvious he turned from CGI character into real actor. I guess it does make the Elves' agility appear even more supernatural, particularly where they are scampering through the tree branches....

First glimpse of Beorn - but looks like some serious changes to the storyline there if they are shutting the door on him!!!

I'm reserving judgement on Smaug, though I can't say I'm blown away yet...

I will say there was far too much Tauriel and Legolas in this trailer!

I'm still confused over the Thrain sequence - I take it that this is a separate visit to DG to the clip we saw of Gandalf with Radagast? He appears to only have his staff when he is having a skirmish with the presumed Thrain. But who is the creature that jumps down on him from above, where he is holding both sword and staff???

And why the heck were the Dwarves climbing up one of the statues? is that really where the secret door is located? Why is there this inherent need of Jackson's to make everything epic to the nth degree???

Questions....questions....


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort


(This post was edited by Eleniel on Jun 11 2013, 6:01pm)


Jim
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 5:58pm


Views: 1459
Scene by scene breakdown

Observations about trailer....

1) Dwarves and Bard? Traveling up Long Lake towards the Lonely Mountain by boat. So they won't be on foot like in the book.
2) Dwarves climbing the big statue, have they changed the location of the secret door?
3) Dale during winter, chilling!
4) Thranduil's halls, looks great, reminds me very much like an underground Lothlorien!
5) Thranduil/Thorin - I think Lee Pace is going to be one of the outstanding actors in this movie!
6) Dwarves escaping in the barrels - Not being released into the water one by one like in the book.
7) Bilbo climbing to the top of the tree in Mirkwood and seeing the butterflies
8) Barrels in a Bond scene going down the Forest River - elves in pursuit and lids are off, deviation from the book here
9) Company walking through Mirkwood
10) Legolas meeting the dwarves in Mirkwood just after the encounter with the Spiders - Looks like they will get rid of the lights go out scene from the book where the Elves are toying with the Dwarves.
11) Dwarves holding the door back against Beorn - So it appears the company arrive at his residence while he is gone and the whole introduction of meeting him is gone.
12) Tauriel - Looking good, had apprehensions but doesn't feel out of place.
13) Laketown - Looks great!
14) Bilbo in Smaug's lair, sliding down the coins.
15) Gandalf/Radagast in Dol Guldur - "What if it is a trap?" I think during this movie we will only see the White Council confirm Sauron's presence, I think the battle will be left for the final movie.
16) More shots of Legolas/Thranduil in the halls.
17) Gandalf in the High fells discovering the Ringwraiths have escaped their tombs
18) Azog will be in the second movie - looks like he's attacking elves but where its hard to tell
19) Bilbo hiding from a Spider in Mirkwood
20) Thorin opening the secret door
21) Bard/Thorin in Laketown - Bard having a more active role in the movie compared to the book.
22) Gandalf fighting Thrain in Dol Guldur
23) Legolas and Tauriel fighting Orcs
24) Bilbo in the water
25) Legolas/Tauriel attacking orcs again, it appears while the Elves are trying to stop the Dwarves from escaping they get ambushed by Azog/Orcs.
26) Gandalf getting attacked by Thrain
27) Bilbo falling from a tree in Mirkwood
28) Thorin in the barrel
29) Dwarves outside the secret door, Balin stating the presence of the Dragon to Bilbo.
30) Smaug pursuing/almost toying with Bilbo in his lair.

I think that covers everything :)

Notable absentees from the trailer - Master of Laketown (Stephen Fry), Enchanted River.


(This post was edited by Jim on Jun 11 2013, 6:03pm)


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 5:59pm


Views: 1350
some highres stills to oogle.

http://io9.com/first-real-trailer-for-the-hobbit-desolation-of-smaug-512631106

I love Tauriel's, "Gettin' real tired of your sh**" face. She's like, "Ugh, purists."

"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien

"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 6:00pm


Views: 1298
Looked like a warg to me

Is that what everyone is saying is Beorn?

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel




kbdiggity
Rivendell

Jun 11 2013, 6:02pm


Views: 1291
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In Reply To
It's a bear. Wink



That is what I thought. We get a sneak peak of how Beorn first meets the party.


Jim
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 6:05pm


Views: 1244
Way too big...

for it to be a Warg, must be Beorn.


kbdiggity
Rivendell

Jun 11 2013, 6:05pm


Views: 1267
....


In Reply To
Observations about trailer....

1) Dwarves and Bard? Traveling up Long Lake towards the Lonely Mountain by boat. So they won't be on foot like in the book.
.



Go reread the first sentences of the 11th chapter of the book. They take a boat from Laketown towards the Lonely Mountain.


elostirion74
Rohan

Jun 11 2013, 6:06pm


Views: 1260
reminded me quite a lot of the second trailer for AUJ

The trailer seems bent on getting in as many different pieces as possible without really making any good connections between them. The music was terrible, even worse than what you usually get in these kind of trailers. In my opinion the trailer wasn´t particularly good at getting the story across to the general audience.

At the same time I keep in mind that the final result of AUJ felt so different from the impressions left by the second trailer, so I expect that the same will apply to DoS.

I also noticed the snow in Dale and Erebor. Visually it was quite striking, even beautiful, but it didn´t seem like a good move if they wanted to stress how Smaug had affected his surroundings. I think it would have been more effective story-wise to go for a more barren, late autumn look.

I liked the look and colours of AUJ very much, but this trailer felt too much CGI and the contrasts overdone.

On the positive side Bilbo looking out from the tree-tops in Mirkwood was wonderful; it really made me look forward to this part of the film!


bungobaggins
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 6:07pm


Views: 1313
Here's another observation

Bombur goes flying through the air in his barrel (how?) grabs an axe from an orc who has been recently shot by an elf, and lands on a bunch of orcs (about the 1:22 mark in the video).

"You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - Gandalf

Darth Bungo: "Gandalf the Gray never told you what happened to your father."
Bilbo Barrel-rider: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him."
Darth Bungo: "No, I am your father."


Eruonen
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 6:07pm


Views: 1253
Very well done!

Of course there are deviations from the book, and frankly, I don't mind if they make sense in the movie which is PJ's adaptation. The movie has the essential elements plus additions that make a movie more compelling for a larger audience. They have to add to the plot and motivations of the various players in the film. I reserve judgement until I have seen the movie and if the changes work great! I tend to fall in the "more Middle Earth" is better camp (if done well and within believability of the world - much was left and unsaid and this is where the gaps are filled).


Jim
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 6:07pm


Views: 1238
Ahhh...

Thanks for the reminder! You're right, I'm getting confused because I remember them having ponies/supplies which were brought up on foot obviously.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 6:07pm


Views: 1217
Thanks!

Unfortunately, when I do that it only comes up as a bunch of text instead of a video. Oh well.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel




Shagrat
Gondor

Jun 11 2013, 6:08pm


Views: 1239
Doesn't look like a bear

Look at the face. Looks far more like a dog.


nhui06
Rivendell

Jun 11 2013, 6:09pm


Views: 1225
Thoughts

This was an awesome trailer! I had high expectations, and this surpassed it.

Here are some of my observations:

- Where is that shot of the city in the mountain suppose to be? (0:14)

Noted Thrandruil mentioned at the beginning how Thorin is seeking that which gives him the right to rule (Arkenstone?) Is this a change from the book's idea that Thorin is stubborn due to his greed for gold? I think seeking the right to rule will make audience more sympathetic to Thorin, and maybe Thrandruil is jealous of having to respect the dwarven kingdom again (hence his obstruction)?

Interesting to see the elves chase after the dwarves in the barrel scene. I believe in the book the dwarves just make a clean getaway?

Wow, Mirkwood looks amazing; just like that illustration Peter showed in his preview 2 months ago.

Beorn the Bear at 0:40!

Interesting conversation between Legolas and Tauriel at 0:42. Got the whole theme of fighting evil vs staying out of others business theme we saw in Return of the King with King Theoden and Aragorn. Seems like Legolas first starts off as someone who hates dwarves as well (probably stubborn and loyal to the Elves ways). This will give his character more development, as we know he grows to love dwarves by the end of Return of the King. Theme of growth, openess, and acceptance will be in play here for Legolas.

It does not seem like the Dol Guldur story will advance too far here other than Gandalf learning more about the evil that is growing there. I suspect Gandalf will be captured by the Necromencer, while Radagast will escape and warn the Council. This will be one of the main cliffhangers going into the last movie. I wonder who attacks Gandalf at shot 1:26? Bolg?

The shot of Azog and his orcs fighting the elves seem to be the same time as the barrel chase. Did the orcs interrupt the elves chasing the dwarves? Or are the Elves protecting the Dwarves from the orcs (unlikely)?

Surprised they actually showed that much of Smaug. Wow, what a giant beast!


DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 11 2013, 6:10pm


Views: 1205
Definitely a...

Bear. See this screencap. Wrong shaped snout to be a Warg.

Smile

On a different note (but relating back to by observations), and to save waiting another 5 minutes to load a page, Bilbo is also in the water in this picture. Looks like he won't wear his Ring at all.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 6:10pm


Views: 1190
It just doesn't look like a bear's snout to me.

Plus, why is Beorn trying to kill them? Unless it's part of the bear meeting that Beorn has. That would be kinda cool.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel




Jim
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 6:10pm


Views: 1186
Aye...

saw that, I think that whole scene is in conjunction with Azog/Orcs attacking the Elves.

I think we are going to see Azog still pursuing the Dwarves in this movie. While the Elves are trying to stop the Dwarves from escaping in the barrels it looks like it is at this point where Azog gets involved.


DwellerInDale
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 6:11pm


Views: 1271
The elves finally look like elves,

when Tauriel and her guards are scampering along the trees, actually chasing after the barrels! Finally the background elves look like beings out of fantasy, not male models with long blonde wigs. Amazing!

Don't mess with my favorite female elf.





Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Jun 11 2013, 6:12pm


Views: 1195
Another notable absence...

No sign of BOLG!!!


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort


triptrap
Lorien

Jun 11 2013, 6:12pm


Views: 1192
Hallelujah!!!!!

It's awesome!
Though i'm a little angry they spoiled smaug in a trailer (if that's the real smaug) Mad


(This post was edited by entmaiden on Jun 11 2013, 6:19pm)


Thoromir
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 6:13pm


Views: 1173
Nice observation!

I was just about to post it, but you beat me to it ;)

Overall; very nice. I watched the trailer from beginning to end with a big smile on my face.
And Laketown..omg..that is one big city! Much bigger than it thought it would be. I like it. And to think it is build on wooden poles haha.
Uhm,,I also thought the forrest bits were a bit to bright, but it still looks pretty epic.



(This post was edited by Thoromir on Jun 11 2013, 6:18pm)


Shagrat
Gondor

Jun 11 2013, 6:13pm


Views: 1161
Exactly

Compare his face to this one:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7bpynpp4I1qzll2xo1_1280.jpg

I'm convinced this is our first look at one of Beorn's talented, and apparently huge, dogs.


Elessar
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 6:15pm


Views: 1175
That was great

Loved the opening of the trailer with Thranduil narrating it. I thought Mirkwood looked fantastic and Thranduil's halls looked superb so I'm eager to see more of this area come to life on the big screen. Tauriel I thought came across really really well done and I liked how she was urging Legolas to get involved in Middle-earth's business. I think this plays well into one of the reasons why Legolas would sign up to help The Fellowship. The barrel riding sequence was odd I admit with the elves shooting but I am going to guess maybe Orcs are part of the play there. I do wonder if Azog and Tauriel are going to have a moment in this sequence as I think that was all in the same edit points. I loved the way Smaug looked at the end. He looked really really well done and I know he's going to look even better in December. I'm so excited right now. Cool



Jim
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 6:16pm


Views: 1203
I'm sure....

those people who were freaking out about the photo with Tauriel are just a little calmer today ; ) I think she looks great, doesn't look out of place at all.


bungobaggins
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 6:16pm


Views: 1142
I was nervous about Laketown

after seeing the stuff from the live stream event, but the wide-shots in the trailer look fantastic.

"You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - Gandalf

Darth Bungo: "Gandalf the Gray never told you what happened to your father."
Bilbo Barrel-rider: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him."
Darth Bungo: "No, I am your father."


kbdiggity
Rivendell

Jun 11 2013, 6:16pm


Views: 1130
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In Reply To
Look at the face. Looks far more like a dog.



I rewatched the video several times. I was trying to see if it was a warg or a bear. It seems to big to be a warg to me (though the small dwarves could be throwing me off.)

But what really does it for me is the setting. It is daylight in a cabin and Gandalf is there. So based on what we know from the story, Gandalf is only going to be indoors with the party at Beorn's house. After that, they part ways at Mirkwood. Since it is daylight, we can assume it is the day they arrive at Beorn's.

It is either Beorn in bear form snarling after some intruders on his property? Or a warg who has chased the eagles, caught up with the party, and gotten onto Beorn's property unscathed. My money is on Beorn himself in bear form.


kbdiggity
Rivendell

Jun 11 2013, 6:17pm


Views: 1127
......


In Reply To
This was an awesome trailer! I had high expectations, and this surpassed it.

Here are some of my observations:

- Where is that shot of the city in the mountain suppose to be? (0:14)


Ruined city of Dale, close to the Lonely Mountain


daemoon
Rivendell

Jun 11 2013, 6:19pm


Views: 1155
Meh

Pretty disappointing. Too much unfinished CGI and pointless action for my tastes.


Jim
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 6:19pm


Views: 1103
Hmmmm..

Could be, why is the company already inside Beorn's house?? Have they already been invited by Beorn if not and they've made their way inside without permission that could explain why the dog attacks them.


bungobaggins
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 6:21pm


Views: 1096
No doubt it's a bear.

Just look at the paws Wink

"You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - Gandalf

Darth Bungo: "Gandalf the Gray never told you what happened to your father."
Bilbo Barrel-rider: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him."
Darth Bungo: "No, I am your father."


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 6:21pm


Views: 1095
I'm not convinced either way now

My initial impression was that it was a warg, but since everyone else seems to think it's Beorn, I'm uncertain.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel




Metal Slug
Rivendell

Jun 11 2013, 6:22pm


Views: 1132
Smaug ugly

Schmogg looked like a sock-puppet, that was my first thought. Jackson does his best to ruin the book because he wears bunny pajamas to bed.


(This post was edited by entmaiden on Jun 11 2013, 6:29pm)


elostirion74
Rohan

Jun 11 2013, 6:23pm


Views: 1138
comment

If I should judge the trailer by the sequence with the barrels, I think I would very disappointed indeed. Fortunately I believe other parts of the film are much better. The escape by barrels seems by far the weakest and OTT section of the entire trailer. I had heard rumours of the rather pointless added action elements to this part of the story, but even so I could help feeling disappointed seeing that they were actually included. Perhaps we must expect that each film will have at least one such section: AUJ has the escape from Goblin Town, DoS has the barrel escape/chase sequence.


kbdiggity
Rivendell

Jun 11 2013, 6:25pm


Views: 1063
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In Reply To
Could be, why is the company already inside Beorn's house??



Peter Jackson story change. I didn't think he would follow the books and have Gandalf telling a story while Dwarves start showing up in pairs.

I think Gandalf probably leads them into his home looking to ask Beorn for aid, and Beorn or one of his animals immediately takes them for a threat. Remember he does live on the edge of an evil forest. He would probably be on edge when it came to strangers.


cats16
Valinor

Jun 11 2013, 6:25pm


Views: 1056
Whatever it is, it has interesting eyes.

That sounds weird in a subject line, but the bear/warg has some interesting eye movement going on in the brief moment. It looks very human-like, and not animal-like. As if there's a person behind those eyes.

Just an observation.


Yngwulff
Gondor


Jun 11 2013, 6:26pm


Views: 1071
I slowed it down

They were elves chasing, but WTH is legoals and tauriel talking about then ... letting them go?


Take this Brother May it Serve you Well
Vote for Pedro!


dave_lf
Gondor

Jun 11 2013, 6:26pm


Views: 1044
Somebody's been sitting in my chair! //

 


CathrineB
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 6:26pm


Views: 1057
Even without pausing

I think there is no doubt that being a bear. Not one bit.

But that's me Sly


Runk Snusgrop
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 6:27pm


Views: 1045
Re:


Quote
Schmogg looked like a sock-puppet, that was my first thought. Jackson does his best to ruin the book because he wears bunny pajamas to bed.



That can't be called for. <quote edited - entmaiden>



(This post was edited by entmaiden on Jun 11 2013, 6:32pm)


BornOutOfTheWest
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 6:29pm


Views: 1046
Opinions, opinions...

My initial impression was one of slight disappointment at all the elf action but I have to say that after repeat viewings, it's growing on me! Thought Thranduil was amazing - stand out of the trailer for me, especially that voice-over. I was also pleasantly surprised with Tauriel - seems like an interesting addition. The shots of Laketown, Dale and Erebo also looked incredible.

One of my concerns however is that the trailer placed far too much emphasis on the elves. If you think about how much elf fights we saw - Spiders, Azog over the wall and Tauriel and Legolas fighting compared to Bilbo having not much screen time at all. This may not necessarily be a bad thing but i just hope that the elf subplot doesn't interfere with the main quest in the way that the 'Radagast subplot' did in the first one.

Lastly, as i think another member has posted, there seems to be ALOT of CGI. I just hope that Smaug and the elves chasing the barrells shot, are refined further in the coming months. EDIT - After another rewatch, i have to say that Beorn's CGI looks really good!

All in all, looks like a great teaser to hopefully another great film! (Just don't be too trigger happy, PJ, on the CGI button?) :P


(This post was edited by BornOutOfTheWest on Jun 11 2013, 6:34pm)


Bombadil
Half-elven


Jun 11 2013, 6:31pm


Views: 1048
Seems to Bomby..some people jus' want....

Punch a Hole in Anything?
PJ tries to Do?

Personally it gets
Tiresome...


MorgolKing
Rivendell

Jun 11 2013, 6:31pm


Views: 1417
Hmm

1) Looks like the orcs attack and this helps the dwarves escape in the barrels. Interesting...

2) Smaug looks a little strange because of the angle, but if you pause it right when he appears before he turns his head, he looks a lot better and resembles what we saw in AUJ


Shagrat
Gondor

Jun 11 2013, 6:31pm


Views: 1409
The sad truth

While this is a wonderfully humourous section in the book, the many people who moaned that the Bag End sequence in AUJ went on too long would almost certainly hate the introductions at Beorn's house, and complain that it is overlong and unnecessary. I had a feeling it was always going to be a casualty, though it's not impossible the EE of DOS could change the sequence entirely.


kbdiggity
Rivendell

Jun 11 2013, 6:31pm


Views: 1362
OK...

So I just rewatched the video on youtube again. I was clicking pause/play very quickly to give me as many new views of the "beast" attacking the party at the cabin.

I just found an angle that makes it look entirely like a bear. I wish I knew how to capture and post a screenshot. It is right as he busts through the door. The head in angled downward, the mouth is wide open, and it looks exactly like a bear.


Eruonen
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 6:32pm


Views: 1372
That attack on Gandalf appears to be by Thrain.

If you recall the first movie trailer the scene was in it but then moved to this film.


(This post was edited by Eruonen on Jun 11 2013, 6:33pm)


DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 11 2013, 6:36pm


Views: 1342
At 0:40 seconds?

If you pause the video, then right click, and press "copy video URL at current time". When someone clicks on that link, the youtube video will be at the exact time.

Is it this: link.

Smile


cats16
Valinor

Jun 11 2013, 6:37pm


Views: 1364
Something I noticed...

If someone has already said this, I'm sorry. I'm in a rush now, trying to say this quickly. I thought it was neat how Smaug's head entered the frame in the trailer nearly the exact way the dragon kite did in the AUJ prologue. They even look very similar. That side view of the jaw, especially.


Taking a couple of hours off of here to do some errands. I'm sure I'll have a lot of catching up to do!!!Smile


IncredibleSmaug
The Shire

Jun 11 2013, 6:40pm


Views: 1342
Full Trailer Transcript

http://goo.gl/pyEQM


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jun 11 2013, 6:42pm


Views: 1382
Our first pass at DOS GEEKY OBSERVATION LIST!

I'll be coming along to gather these to start our TH:DOS List ... once I stop hyperventilating and drooling and twitching!



4th draft of TH:AUJ Geeky Observation List - May 1, 2013



sample

"There is more in you of good than you know, child of the kindly West."

I'm SO HAPPY these new films take me back to that magical world!!



TIME Google Calendar
TORn's Geeky Observations Lists (updated soon)


MorgolKing
Rivendell

Jun 11 2013, 6:44pm


Views: 1319
Legolas...

Ugh is there ANY hope of him not being in the Battle of the Five Armies?

I don't mind him in DOS but his presence would take away from the Bo5A IMO and I'm dreading it.


Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Jun 11 2013, 7:01pm


Views: 1194
So is this also Thrain?

http://i.imgur.com/6xyjUAU.jpg

And is that is Glamdring that Gandalf is holding in his right hand (staff in the left...)

And what is that object in "Thrain's" right hand??

Looks a bit key-shaped to me... Unsure


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort


Pazeer
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 7:03pm


Views: 1169
Geeky

Not really sure if it qualifies, but in the barrel sequence when Thorin swings his sword, you can see Bilbo hanging on to Kili's barrelSmile


Lindele
Gondor


Jun 11 2013, 7:03pm


Views: 1166
Did you hear it?

I don't know if it was Beorn but there is absolutely no doubt that it was a bear.


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Jun 11 2013, 7:07pm


Views: 1131
Jim? Your #1 is (nearly) the same as the book


In Reply To
1) Dwarves and Bard? Traveling up Long Lake towards the Lonely Mountain by boat. So they won't be on foot like in the book.



Thorin and Company does begin their journey from Lake-town to Lonely Mountain by water via Long Lake. Then they continue with the ponies when they debark. The only difference that I can see is that here they are with Bard.

It looks like Tauriel is fated to be the conscience of the Woodland Realm. Now, is she advocating going to the aid of the Dwarves or helping the White Council?

Smaug the Magnificent (as he appears in the teaser) reminds me of the dragons in the Record of Lodoss Wars anime--which isn't a bad thing.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


elostirion74
Rohan

Jun 11 2013, 7:14pm


Views: 1116
hmm, that´s a fairly simplified way of looking at it IMO

It´s just as valid and understandable to be disappointed with the teaser-trailer as it is to be very enthusiastic about it.

Personally I wasn´t very impressed with it for two main reasons.

First thing: It´s not very good at getting the story across.

Second: the action elements it emphasizes seem rather pointless and overdone. For those who disliked similar elements in AUJ the barrel escape/chase doesn´t look particularly encouraging.

Still I try to keep in mind that this is just a collection of small pieces and shots from the film, not the film itself. There were several parts or elements in the trailer that I enjoyed (Thranduil, Bilbo and the butterflies, the quick shot of Mirkwood) but far from as many as I had hoped.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jun 11 2013, 7:17pm


Views: 1156
Hey, I didn't know Pixar made this movie!

CGI Elves! CGI Orcs! CGI Dwarves in barrels! CGI Thrain & Tauriel leaping at the camera! Hooray!

This is like the anti-LotR. While PJ's previous trilogy created a living, human Middle-earth, this is like cut scenes from "A Bug's Life".

Worse, it looks like "Avatar": it has such an artificial, digital sheen to it, even when there's a real person in the frame it looks like a cartoon.

Oh, yeah: and Bilbo again gets stiffed with not a single line in his OWN trailer; Thorin doesn't speak either. Is this "Woodland Realm: The Movie"?

Why was I expecting PJ to do something better than AUJ with this? And why has everything (including things we KNOW were shot in production, such as the barrels, elves, orcs, ETC) been replaced with CGI?

Ah, well...the wait for the trailer was slightly exciting for a while there, I suppose.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!

(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Jun 11 2013, 7:19pm)


Eurolock
Bree

Jun 11 2013, 7:25pm


Views: 1079
Deviations? Not much Tolkien in the trailer at all....

Let see -

The meeting of the dwarves and Beorn - completely different.
The capture of the dwarves by the elves - completely different.
Thranduil's knowledge of Thorin's identity and destination - completely different
The nature of the escape in barrels - other than the barrels....completely different
Laketown residents reaction to Thorin and Co - appears rather different.
Location of the secret door - appears that it may be different
Gandalf meeting Thrain - seems completely different (at least in terms of timeline)

Then there is the continuation of the whole Azog subplot......the Tauriel aspects.....


Doesn't look to me like a movie that will please the purists.


Carne
Tol Eressea

Jun 11 2013, 7:26pm


Views: 1088
Replaced with CGI?

You can't really tell that from the few shots we've seen.


kbdiggity
Rivendell

Jun 11 2013, 7:28pm


Views: 1028
....


In Reply To
http://i.imgur.com/6xyjUAU.jpg

And is that is Glamdring that Gandalf is holding in his right hand (staff in the left...)

And what is that object in "Thrain's" right hand??

Looks a bit key-shaped to me... Unsure



I doubt Thrain is attacking Gandalf with a key. I think that the way PJ has ordered things clearly deviates from how Tolkien did, regarding Gandalf and Thrain. So far in the movie version Gandalf got the key from Thrain without ever visiting Dol Guldur. So when he finally does get to Dol Guldur and discovers a mad Thrain, it happens after Thorin and company have set off into Mirkwood.


elostirion74
Rohan

Jun 11 2013, 7:28pm


Views: 1008
That was very helpful - thank you!

Loved the dark image of Mirkwood we get in one of these screenshots; it would have been completely lost on me if I only had the trailer to go by.


Shagrat
Gondor

Jun 11 2013, 7:29pm


Views: 1050
Not replaced

I'm presuming that footage will still be in there in places, but the more dangerous and elaborate stunts will be CGI. At least for the barrel sequence.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jun 11 2013, 7:29pm


Views: 1037
The shots they've chosen to present to us as a represntation of the film as a whole...? //

 

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Jun 11 2013, 7:35pm


Views: 1012
We know they shot the barrel escape on location at Pelorus,

but the shot of Dwalin in a barrel in the trailer looked remarkably "clean" and didn't feel part of the actual scene to me, as though it had been "touched up"...

Let's face it. the only on location shooting I can think of for DoS was this barrel scene, plus the outside of Beorn's place (the inside is a studio set, I think, like Rhosgobel?) - oh, and the ruined Dale set. Laketown is on a studio lot. The vast majority of scenes for this film will have been produced on a computer!.


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort


(This post was edited by Eleniel on Jun 11 2013, 7:40pm)


NoelGallagher
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 7:36pm


Views: 992
My feeling: Radagast will die at Dol Guldur

 
After seeing the trailer and looking at Raddy:

I dont now why but i felt immediatly that he wont survive the attack on the old fortress. He looks so hurtable,innocent and so full of fear. Call me stupid after just seeing such a short scene, but that was my first impression.

Btw, Dol Guldur looks awesome.


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Jun 11 2013, 7:40pm


Views: 1039
Where is the Hobbit?

Initial reaction after seeing it for the first time:

Disappointment beyond belief.

Nothing, i feel nothing.

Hardly recognise Tolkiens work amongst all the popcorn crap.

JTarkey wrote : " As an action movie that I expect nothing out of other than sugary CGI spectacle, it looks alright. As an adaptation of The Hobbit by J.R.R. Tolkien, it is ludicrous beyond reason"

My first impression is that it is some generic, epic, action blockbuster. Wheres Bilbo? Why focus on the elves, the darkness, the trap, the dozens of slashings, and cuttings and action shots? Again, wheres BIlbo?

This doenst feel like J RR Tolkiens The Hobbit at all. That one had magic and a wonderfull fairytale quality...The first trailer, successfully established the character of Bilbo, the stakes, the quest, etc... with some subtlety and elegance...

This is just cgi cgi shots and action and action...

And is this a story focused on the Elves of Mirkwood? Tauriel, tauriel, legolas, Azog, Radagast...where is the hobbit?

Is this music from the movie? Because if it is, its disappointing. There s no magic, no sparkle, in it. Felt more like some generic trailer music. And that also destroys the feeling of being in ME.

This resembles more the second trailer than the first auj teaser.Unsure

Better go watch it again...

Oh and Sxxxxxmaug....is this for real? He looks like a cartoon dragon?Crazy

I suppose they are still working on him, but one shot, just one good shot we got...and , is it just me, or does he remind you people of a cartoon dragon rather than a real worm?

Vous commencez à m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


BornOutOfTheWest
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 7:49pm


Views: 1145
Thranduil's Line...

My favourite line in the trailer was definitely Thranduil's - "Such is the nature of evil, in time all foul things come forth". Brilliantly delivered by Lee Pace too.

In regards to Smaug, I think it would have worked better if the final shot only went up to Smaug's snout coming round the corner. Not only would this have added more suspense as to the reveal of the dragon but it would have given more time to firm up the CGI which in my opinion, was not particularly great.


Shagrat
Gondor

Jun 11 2013, 7:53pm


Views: 1081
People getting carried away?

Either with excitement or disappointment. It's 90 seconds of an at least 150-minutes film. Most of the shots aren't finished. A number of sequences might not even appear in the film. So I think we should wait until we see the film or at least learn more about it until we get too carried away with our judgments.


(This post was edited by Shagrat on Jun 11 2013, 7:55pm)


kbdiggity
Rivendell

Jun 11 2013, 7:54pm


Views: 1047
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In Reply To
CGI Elves! CGI Orcs! CGI Dwarves in barrels! CGI Thrain & Tauriel leaping at the camera! Hooray!

This is like the anti-LotR. While PJ's previous trilogy created a living, human Middle-earth, this is like cut scenes from "A Bug's Life".

Worse, it looks like "Avatar": it has such an artificial, digital sheen to it, even when there's a real person in the frame it looks like a cartoon.

Oh, yeah: and Bilbo again gets stiffed with not a single line in his OWN trailer; Thorin doesn't speak either. Is this "Woodland Realm: The Movie"?

Why was I expecting PJ to do something better than AUJ with this? And why has everything (including things we KNOW were shot in production, such as the barrels, elves, orcs, ETC) been replaced with CGI?

Ah, well...the wait for the trailer was slightly exciting for a while there, I suppose.




LOL

You have high expectations for a teaser trailer for a movie that still has about half a year to go before it reaches theaters.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jun 11 2013, 7:56pm


Views: 999
Or "representation", the non-garbled spelling! //

 

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jun 11 2013, 8:01pm


Views: 1024
I had low expectations...

and the teaser fell below them, actually. If the shots in question weren't done, then they should have included some actual live-action footage instead.

I wanted to like this over AUJ...but the teaser has not substantiated that.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!

(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Jun 11 2013, 8:06pm)


easterlingchief1
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 8:02pm


Views: 986
That scroll is incredibly unreliable

The imagery in the scroll is not 100% accurate with what ends up in the finished film (at least in AUJ). Just and example, the Wargs looked very different in that scroll than they did on screen.

I'm betting the image of the orating bear is one that the WB marketing team had in stock. They probably tweaked it (added the "wiskers") and PS it into the image along with Gandalf. It was probably never the image PJ was going to end up sticking with for Beorn's animal form.


adnan
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 8:04pm


Views: 975
You're overesitmating the...

general audience...they don't care much for story (please see the success of Avatar for heaven's sake), they want spectacle & epicness for these kinds of films, and the trailer delivers that spectacularly.

Rivendell


tarasaurus
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 8:04pm


Views: 968
I love it!!!

I don't want to have to wait 6 months and 2 days to see it!! Haha. I have to say that my only worry was Tauriel's rumored love scenes, but in this trailer I feel more comfortable with her in the movie. She doesn't seem like a major distraction, just like another Mirkwood elf with more focus. I didn't mind the CGI much, but I'm sure they will still be working on that with months to go before the movie is out. Absolutely love that it was snowing because a few of us were hoping the Battle of 5 Armies (or Smaug's fight?) will be during a snow storm! If this was a teaser, then the full length trailer must give us more of a treat. Also, pretty sure that was Beorn in bear form trying to burst through that door, I completely missed him the first time around as being Beorn. Didn't expect Smaug but I think it was an awesome tease since it wasn't a full reveal. I have so many thoughts but I'm so excited i can't remember them all!


Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor


Jun 11 2013, 8:04pm


Views: 1083
Of red-haired Elves, successful Orcs, worried Men and a little Hobbit

...and of course of homeless Dwarves.


Let's observe this great piece of Middle-earth history and focus on NEW things:


- Finally some snow! It looks so magnificent (Dale, Lake Town, Erebor)
- Obviously Bilbo uses the Ring less than in the book... which is great because there would have been only two ways. Showing "nothing" but a empty place with perhaps footprints or showing everything with this twilight-Ring-World light and that would have been a bit annoying at some point.
- It's undoubtably... it's a trap!
- Three similar jump-attack-shots. Thrain jumping on Gandalf, Tauriel jumping on.. Orcs? and an Orc jumping on Thorin
- Lower Elves from the Woodland Realm seem to have light brown/red hair. I think it is good to differentiate them from the Rivendell Elves (dark brown/almost black) and the Lothlorien Elves (blond/almost golden) while we have the Higher Elves from the Woodland Realm like Thranduil and Legolas with blond/almost silver hair (didn't Celeborn also have silver hair?)
- Although I wasn't a huge Azog fan after the first movie... I kinda was happy to see him in the trailer... he's now part of the whole family so it's good to see him again
- It seems to me that Azog and his Orcs are successfully attacking the Elves perhaps it's where the Elves change their mind that it is also their war? Perhaps even revealing the greater evil (Sauron) behind everything?
- It's a trap!
- Gandalf and Radagast being attacked by something in Dol Guldur (Nazgûl, Sauron or just bats?)
- Smaug looks amazing and damn is he big! And that's only the head! Yes, he looks a little different to the AUJ but the FOTR Gollum looked different to the TTT Gollum, so where's the problem?
- Great dialogue of Thranduil and Bard. Both seem to be very worried about challanging Smaug (quite right if you remember the book)

And who was missing? Good or bad?

- The Master (and Alfrid): He is not that important so it's not a problem
- The Necromancer: I think he we saw a shot out of his perspective flying towards Gandalf and Radagast (perhaps it was only an army of bats). But it's great not to reveal to much
- Beorn: Except of this glimpse at the door (it could be a giant hound but also a bear) nothing. It pleases me because I want to see him for the first time on the big screen
- Bolg: Do we have to fear that he was degraded to a lesser Orc and totally replaced by Azog? Hopefully he'll appear in the next trailer
- Bilbo: Yes, he was in the trailer... but although he's the official lead character and titular figure there wasn't much of him. He did not even speak. But this shows us that The Hobbit Trilogy isn't only about the Hobbit. It's mainly about the Quest for Erebor

There is soooo much more... but I'm tired of tipping on my keyboard^^


"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."


bungobaggins
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 8:05pm


Views: 1004
This is the problem

Jackson has adopted George Lucas' mantra from the prequel trilogy: "I can have anything I want in the movie because of the technology." Which is funny when you consider Lucas' stance on special effects when he was working on the original trilogy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykmZp5cgbkU

This has been adopted by James Cameron as well.

I can't find the interview where Jackson basically tips his hand about special effects and admits he has adopted this similar philosophy.

These directors have not, and will not learn their lesson about special effects.

"You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - Gandalf

Darth Bungo: "Gandalf the Gray never told you what happened to your father."
Bilbo Barrel-rider: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him."
Darth Bungo: "No, I am your father."


TheHutt
Gondor


Jun 11 2013, 8:10pm


Views: 950
Who was asking about the earthquake?

Could not recognize the voice of the dwarf asking "Was this an earthquake?"

Anyone can help?

Russian LOTR & Hobbit Site: Henneth-Annun.ru


Olorin2607
Lorien

Jun 11 2013, 8:11pm


Views: 994
Concerning Smaug

I'm kinda hoping we get an alternative ending to this Trailer that Show the REAL Thing. :D Well.. one can have dreams.
But really he's underwhelming. They clearly missed the chance of making him look cpecial. He looks like every other dragon.

I do not find the rest of the trailer too bad. Clearly lots of Action.. but thats not a bad thing if it's executed well. And I guess we get to see more of Bilbo etc. in other Trailers.
All of the Locations look amazing.


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 8:14pm


Views: 923
think of the environment

At the expense of this film I think in some ways they made the right decision to not trample and destroy precious pieces of New Zealand in order to make The Hobbit. Yes the Hobbit is filled with more studio shoots and CGI imagery, but I'd rather keep New Zealand unspoiled than make a blockbuster fantasy movie feel more "realistic."

"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien

"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas


hobbitylass
Bree

Jun 11 2013, 8:15pm


Views: 959
Saving Smaug for last

was a great idea, I think. They revealed just enough to show how enormous and menacing the dragon is, without giving the whole thing away. Now they don't have to show anything else of Smaug till the finished version in the movie.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jun 11 2013, 8:15pm


Views: 920
This certainly seems to be the case...

I remember reading an anecdote (can't remember where) about George Lucas visiting PJ during the production of King Kong; PJ showed Lucas a WETA model/bigature of a massive tree which our cast had to cross in the film. Reportedly Lucas said something like "you know, you can do all that in the computer" (implying that models were antiquated), with PJ replying "why would you want to"?

Boy, the times have certainly changed.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


bungobaggins
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 8:17pm


Views: 903
Found the interview

http://www.youtube.com/...J_ZEsDyo&t=6m16s

"Anything you can imagine you can put on film."

Interesting to note that he says that some of the visual effects shots for the second film have already been handed over (this is in July of last year, so nearly a year ago). To think the effects would be up to snuff by now?

"You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - Gandalf

Darth Bungo: "Gandalf the Gray never told you what happened to your father."
Bilbo Barrel-rider: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him."
Darth Bungo: "No, I am your father."


Skaan
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 8:17pm


Views: 915
Smaug

It's still too soon to claim he looks like every other dragon, simply because we've only seen his head (and even that doesn't really look like your average dragon)

We still have to see his full body (including the gold on his chest) and there are probably some horns on his head aswell that we can't see in the trailer.


BilboBagshot187
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 8:20pm


Views: 902
Peter Jacksons HD facebook link

amazing quality here

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=155837147936654

I want apple to put it up so I can download and watch it on my 40" TV!

'Everywhere I lie theres a dirty great root sticking into my back!'


Pazeer
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 8:21pm


Views: 861
Not sure

But perhaps Dori?


Ref
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 8:21pm


Views: 864
Re: TheHutt


In Reply To
Could not recognize the voice of the dwarf asking "Was this an earthquake?"

Anyone can help?


By the sounds of it, it was Dori. As the accent (to me) was a Northern English one, but not of the low pitched tones of the Durin Clan. Also if you freeze frame it, you can see that it is Dori, who is left to the screen. And when Balin turns and answers, it is directed his way.

Viewers of a nervous disposition may be interested to know that your television is off and I am speaking to you from inside your head...

*~* Hugh Dennis, Mock the Week *~*

Icon made by the talented dark_jackal32


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jun 11 2013, 8:21pm


Views: 876
Agreed, personally I LOVED the first AUJ teaser!

That was magical, and yes elegant, and felt like being back in Middle-earth. And hearing the Misty Mountains theme for the first time...brilliant; while also agreed, the generic trailer music certainly doesn't help any.

BTW, here's the TTT teaser for comparison (also thought this worked quite well):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG-1Gtus7KQ

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 11 2013, 8:22pm


Views: 861
Sounds like it was Dori

And he's the one looking around the most in the background.

Smile


bungobaggins
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 8:24pm


Views: 872
Not sure if you've seen this

http://www.youtube.com/...hw&v=g81PoGKO0qA

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPzDjaA03ts

However I feel that the portrayal of Jackson in the second video is no longer accurate.

"You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - Gandalf

Darth Bungo: "Gandalf the Gray never told you what happened to your father."
Bilbo Barrel-rider: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him."
Darth Bungo: "No, I am your father."


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Jun 11 2013, 8:24pm


Views: 865
Hardly surprising...

And its not the times, its these people...there are others who have not gone the fake CGI, all digital, green screen all the way, route.

But we have :

Beorn attacking the company at his house. What happening here?

Bombur being thrown in the air inside a barrel and crashin on some orcs. Lovely...

Legolas and Tauriel surfing through the forest...Had to happen.

Rambo's dialogue : " This is not our fight! " - Its not my business. Yes it is.

The barrel ride turned into what appears to be another ridiculously improbable, the hell with plausibility moment, for the sake of spectacle.

Did Bilbo have any lines? I dont remember...

The woodland realm seems interesting, thats some interetsing designs, though it did remind me of Lorien...

It looks so digital, so crisp, so saturated, so over the top...oh well, that has been established with AUJ.

I thin that was Thorin opening the door at Erebor.

Vous commencez à m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


Maylily
The Shire

Jun 11 2013, 8:24pm


Views: 903
Thranduil was the best part for me.

Lee Pace is gonna be so badass as Thranduil. The way he said those lines was awesome. I think Thranduil and Legolas win the title for best looking family in Middle Earth for sure. I'm sure Luke Evans is going to be great as Bard, but he looked and sounded too much like Will Turner, and it seems some people are already thinking Orlando will be playing double roles from the trailer. Evangeline looked and sounded lovely as Tauriel- she'll do just fine. I really thought they would use Benedict's voice, but having Thranduil narrating was a great move.


triptrap
Lorien

Jun 11 2013, 8:25pm


Views: 962
i can feel the disappointment

at first i absoluetly loved the trailer. but oh i should have never hoped. after AUJ was a rather big disappointment to me, the second movie seems to be going the exact road with all that cgi and no story/character leftFrown


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jun 11 2013, 8:27pm


Views: 1044
I have, they're quite clever!

And agreed, unfortunately PJ doesn't seem to be the champion of many varied special effects and filmmaking techniques that he once was.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


BilboBagshot187
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 8:27pm


Views: 1054
LOVE the trailer

way better than AUJ theatrical trailer that came in september, loved Thranduils narration, Laketown looks amazing, The barrels look a bit OTT but hey, Thats definitely a bear, some dodgy CGI but they obviously havent finished all the shots. overall I loved the more serious tone of the trailer. one of my fav shots is the dwarves at the begnning walking up the side of erebor, and the elven halls wow! Smaug looks great but I think he does look a bit odd when in the shadow as it looks kind of like a sillouette, when his head tuens and the light shines on the side of it looks more of what He will actually looks like and looks awesome in my opinion. Overall very happy with the trailer. : )

'Everywhere I lie theres a dirty great root sticking into my back!'


bungobaggins
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 8:29pm


Views: 1054
One thing that really bothered me was

Thrain leaping 30 or so feet onto Gandalf. Sure he's gone insane, but he's not Spider-man. Unsure

"You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - Gandalf

Darth Bungo: "Gandalf the Gray never told you what happened to your father."
Bilbo Barrel-rider: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him."
Darth Bungo: "No, I am your father."


bungobaggins
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 8:31pm


Views: 1027
Similar feelings sinking in here. //

 

"You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - Gandalf

Darth Bungo: "Gandalf the Gray never told you what happened to your father."
Bilbo Barrel-rider: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him."
Darth Bungo: "No, I am your father."


TheHutt
Gondor


Jun 11 2013, 8:32pm


Views: 1016
Try this one


In Reply To
amazing quality here

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=155837147936654

I want apple to put it up so I can download and watch it on my 40" TV!


Try this so far. This is the bestest quality I've found yet (164 MB):
http://www.kinopoisk.ru/...Smaug-The-159373.mov

Russian LOTR & Hobbit Site: Henneth-Annun.ru


(This post was edited by TheHutt on Jun 11 2013, 8:37pm)


Cave Troll
Rivendell

Jun 11 2013, 8:32pm


Views: 1048
Yip, fears realised...

CGI central in that trailer - to the nth degree. And, going on the evidence of AUJ, one suspects this is pretty representative of the final film.

Like you say, the 'realness' that defined the LOTR trilogy has been discarded for gaudy, cartoonish fare. It's still all so bright. :(


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CGI Elves! CGI Orcs! CGI Dwarves in barrels! CGI Thrain & Tauriel leaping at the camera! Hooray!

This is like the anti-LotR. While PJ's previous trilogy created a living, human Middle-earth, this is like cut scenes from "A Bug's Life".

Worse, it looks like "Avatar": it has such an artificial, digital sheen to it, even when there's a real person in the frame it looks like a cartoon.

Oh, yeah: and Bilbo again gets stiffed with not a single line in his OWN trailer; Thorin doesn't speak either. Is this "Woodland Realm: The Movie"?

Why was I expecting PJ to do something better than AUJ with this? And why has everything (including things we KNOW were shot in production, such as the barrels, elves, orcs, ETC) been replaced with CGI?

Ah, well...the wait for the trailer was slightly exciting for a while there, I suppose.



Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Jun 11 2013, 8:33pm


Views: 1028
Amazing

i still get some chills listening to her voice and those beautifull shots, and the music..

Music is such an important part of a film and a trailer..

If they hadnt focused on the invented stuff, ie, Legolas, Tauriel, Azog and Radagast, the constant action shots..

And more on Bilbo, Thorin and the dwarves...

If they had music, Lotr or Hobbit music, i dont care anything but this generic, dull track...

The outcome would have been much different...

The first trailer was nicely composed, it slowly built towards something, the music was excellent, etc...

It brought me into Middle Earth...this just puts me off and make sme want to go and read a comic or
something Crazy

I saw this comment on another forum, i think it explains very well one of the negative aspects of this trailer :

"Well, they've really just gone full video-game on this series, this seems to be the confirmation of that. It's not just that they use CG, or even a lot of CG, but every frame seems SO stuffed to overfull with CG everything, outlandish video-game superhuman fighting moves, constantly twisting & turning "camera" angles, one-liner after one-liner... and barely a real set or outdoor environment in view, unless it's been post-processed way beyond anything resembling reality.

I suppose it's personal taste. What I loved about the look and feel of the LOTR films was the way it blended being in real physical environments with the fantasy. Everything in this trailer looks like it takes place inside a computer, whether it does or not. It's gone too far in that direction for me, and it really gets in the way of me being moved by it."

Vous commencez à m'ennuyer avec le port!!!

(This post was edited by Lusitano on Jun 11 2013, 8:38pm)


Thoromir
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 8:50pm


Views: 927
The dwarven statue in the trailer...

...is not one of the two statues at the entrance of Erebor!
It looks completely different. For example the position of the axe.
So if this is the location of the hidden door, It might still be a dwarven statue at the right Side of the mountain. The Side where we would expect the door to be.



triptrap
Lorien

Jun 11 2013, 8:51pm


Views: 903
exactly

and not only that. It's just that all of the lighting and color grading is so off it's horrible. And that was even the case in the bag end scenes in AUJ. They were by far the best parts of that movie, but the lighting still felt off to me, cause they used some kind of lamps or whatever instead of using real candles or chimney-fire. it lacks that certain aspect of dimlightly magic that is created by real light-sources and it really seems as if this is going to be the case in the second movie as well, everything is just too shiny and polished ...

oh, and did i mention that i still can't get my head around their new orc-designs? they look sooooooo uninspired
while LOTR had orcs like in the book, folks that loved all kinds of metal and meanness, these ones look like a horde of barbarians from WOW


IdrilofGondolin
Rohan

Jun 11 2013, 8:51pm


Views: 913
Trailers are of a muchness

These days it is hard to tell what a movie is about by viewing the trailer or preview (I'm looking at you Oblivion.) Remember folks that there were scenes in the trailer for AUJ that did not appear in the film. This happens a lot these days. So I expect that some of what we have seen here will not make it into the final cut.

I loved this trailer but it seemed to me to be a a series of nearly completed scenes, you know, the ones they happen to have laying around. My guess is that they had a lot of the elf scenes done or nearly so and used those because this is a teaser and not meant to tell the story.

It is also clear-ish that the trailer is more for the fans than for the general public. Lots of characters who did not appear in AUJ are here. Readers of the book know who they are but the average movie-goer would not.

The real surprise was the absence of Fili and Kili.

Yes that is Beorn in bear-shape.

Smaug looks scary. He is in shadow so it is difficult to tell what he will be. But his eye is good and shows both intelligence and cunning.

We now know that this movie will end after the dwarves find the hidden door.


HiddenSpring
Lorien

Jun 11 2013, 8:51pm


Views: 970
Looks positively godawful

Feels like they kept all the most terrible aspects of An Unexpected Journey and made them five times worse. If there is a single shot in that trailer that looks believable I can't find it.


Oscarilbo
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 8:53pm


Views: 897
well... of course...

It's more bright, saturated, otherworldly reality. That´s how it's suppose to be; like a very FANTASTICAL movie.

Now, of course you are not fan of the movies as you are of the books. Which is great, but if you were you would be able to tell some things:

1.- Trailers like this one, which are to be shown in front of mainstream summer movies, are EDITED for mainstream public, to look as mainstream as possible, not for fans of the book.
2.- CGI is not done yet. It is unfinished. A lot of it. It's obvious the studio wanted it ready for Man of Steel.

3.- The music is done by a company which makes music for trailers, in this case a very mainstream trailer.

4.- Showing us all the not-from-the-book stuff make us less distracted by it for the next trailers. It was the same reason they showed us all the dwarfs first a year ago.

5.- Yes, more trailers will come.

"The World is Changed, I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air"


hobbitylass
Bree

Jun 11 2013, 8:54pm


Views: 940
Thranduil himself...whoa!

He commands attention, to me he was the most compelling person in the whole trailer. Between this and the scenes in the sneak peek footage, he's looking to be a standout performance for me.


RosieLass
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 8:55pm


Views: 899
I've been able to watch it only once so far.

And that was on my phone, so it's hard to judge when it's only 1 inch tall.

But I didn't see anything that made me go --> Unsure

Up to this point, I've hated nearly everything we've heard about Tauriel. But if they leave all the romance garbage out, and if she has to fight and kill only because they've been ambushed (as it sort of appears may happen), then if her purpose is to convince Thranduil and Legolas to stop being such jerks to the dwarves, then maybe she'll be more palatable.

I couldn't see enough of Smaug to say anything intelligent about him. It was a very dark scene. And my phone screen is very small.

The barrel scenes look cool. I'm not sure why Thranduil is discussing Thorin's plans and purpose. He's not supposed to know any of that stuff. But we'll see how it works out.

Everything else went by too quickly for me to really grasp and be able to comment. I'll have to watch it again at home when I'm on a bigger monitor screen. (I can't watch it here, because this is a newish job and my cube is too visible to be screwing around with videos. Angelic This forum at least sorta looks like work...from a distance...)

"BOTH [political] extremes are dangerous. But more dangerous are team fanboys who think all the extremists are on the OTHER side." (CNN reader comment)

It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)


Oscarilbo
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 8:57pm


Views: 867
well...

as PJ recently put it...

"if you try to create an entirely different dragon, you reach science fiction territory, and not fantasy territory"

You better concentrate on the actor behind Smaug, that's where his uniqueness will be.

"The World is Changed, I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air"


BilboBagshot187
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 8:57pm


Views: 849
Thanks The Hutt!

 

'Everywhere I lie theres a dirty great root sticking into my back!'


Eruonen
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 8:57pm


Views: 866
It looks like Thrain 100% to me....not sure what is in his hand.

It is keylike but it would be an odd thing to be holding in a crazed attack.


Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Jun 11 2013, 8:59pm


Views: 861
This...


In Reply To
.

I suppose it's personal taste. What I loved about the look and feel of the LOTR films was the way it blended being in real physical environments with the fantasy. Everything in this trailer looks like it takes place inside a computer, whether it does or not. It's gone too far in that direction for me, and it really gets in the way of me being moved by it."






I have to say that my first reaction to the trailer was exactly that - and numbness. I was not moved, and I felt my heart sink with that very first shot of the incredibly fake, CGI lake....

The costume designs, environment and architecture Weta have come up with for M-e are truly beautiful, but Iit's getting to a stage where I'd rather see them as still paintings in a book than pixelated on screen like this.


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort


Runk Snusgrop
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 9:04pm


Views: 829
Re:


Quote
It's just that all of the lighting and color grading is so off it's horrible.



This could be attributed to the awful trend of "teal & tangerine" color grading, where everything is tinted either blue or orange. It's a bummer that Jackson has yielded to it, and it's pretty much the only thing I really dislike about these films so far.

I find it very unappealing, and there's hardly a movie these days that doesn't do it. http://theabyssgazes.blogspot.se/...ood-please-stop.html



tarasaurus
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 9:04pm


Views: 863
for anyone interested...

I enhanced a couple screenshots on who we think may or may not be Beorn in bear form (hope they are not too big!)






Cave Troll
Rivendell

Jun 11 2013, 9:09pm


Views: 813
Interesting link

On a side note, I thought Mirkwood was painted red and blue because the 3D cameras dampened the colour so much, but it still looks a pretty loud red and blue to me here. Unsure


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Quote
It's just that all of the lighting and color grading is so off it's horrible.



This could be attributed to the awful trend of "teal & tangerine" color grading, where everything is tinted either blue or orange. It's a bummer that Jackson has yielded to it, and it's pretty much the only thing I really dislike about these films so far.

I find it very unappealing, and there's hardly a movie these days that doesn't do it. http://theabyssgazes.blogspot.se/...ood-please-stop.html



Runk Snusgrop
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 9:10pm


Views: 802
Re:

Yup, sure looks like a bear to me.

If it's a warg, it's an entirely new breed we haven't seen before, and if it's a dog then Beorn's dogs are apparently almost as huge as he is.



Lost Hobbit
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 9:13pm


Views: 794
Carcharoth

I can only recall Carcharoth, huge as that...or even more.


Eruonen
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 9:13pm


Views: 806
You are correct, the purists won't be pleased, but then again

we knew this movie adaptation was not a purist film, just like LOTR was not a purist film. I did not want a purist film as I think it would be rather weak as a movie. Because the film was intended to link with the LOTR some themes and characters present themselves. Yes,many of the key scenes have been changed, but they may work in the film when seen against the plot as developed. We will have to wait to see. At this point, we all know this is The Hobbit - a film adaptation by Peter Jackson. I have not read any of the Harry Potter books, but I enjoyed all of the films. I am sure purists hated some things. But, as films, I enjoyed them. The movie audience is not made up of pure book readers. There is pressure to film action scenes that highlight 3D - and this does go over the top in some instances...the Goblin town roller coaster for example. I approach these films as their own thing...inspired by the book...but a different vision.


(This post was edited by Eruonen on Jun 11 2013, 9:15pm)


Olorin2607
Lorien

Jun 11 2013, 9:16pm


Views: 759
Well..

They could at least have his head be more... I dont know.. more fierce? More horns or something ...he looks so bland now.. in no way dangerous.
I know it could just be the angle bla bla.. but really they use this to sell the movie.. so why show something that unfinished? I don't get it... oh dear..


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 9:17pm


Views: 910
Bilbo and the butterflies

Absolutely loved that part! Best part of the whole trailer, I think Smile

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel




bungobaggins
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 9:18pm


Views: 914
You can clearly see

his paws and claws as he tries to push the door open. There should be no question as to whether or not this is a bear.

http://imgur.com/a/LiO6q

Picture of real life bear paws for comparison

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/...884_499517c063_h.jpg

"You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - Gandalf

Darth Bungo: "Gandalf the Gray never told you what happened to your father."
Bilbo Barrel-rider: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him."
Darth Bungo: "No, I am your father."

(This post was edited by bungobaggins on Jun 11 2013, 9:20pm)


Skaan
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 9:20pm


Views: 894
This looks pretty fierce to me

http://imageshack.us/f/802/smaugdostrailer.jpg/

Also, we haven't seen the top of his head yet. He might still have horns, but we just can't see it yet.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 9:21pm


Views: 883
Still don't think it looks like a bear ;-)

ETA - well nevermind, just saw bungobaggins's post above and saw the claws. I guess it is a bear. Maybe they stumble upon Beorn's house, he thinks they're enemies, so he goes all bear on them? I hope not...

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel




(This post was edited by Ardamírë on Jun 11 2013, 9:23pm)


tarasaurus
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 9:21pm


Views: 889
Basically how I feel

in a nutshell. I treat the books and movies as two separate entities, I'm sure there has never been a movie that is/was 100% faithful to its book(s). Good comparison with Harry Potter, because of course I feel the books are far superior, however I have no problem watching the movies knowing some things bother me and are different (i.e, death portrayals, some of the acting, etc.). I just love everything and anything Middle Earth, and am taking advantage of being able to see it on the big screen while I can! Smile


Hamfast of Gamwich
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 9:22pm


Views: 886
Dori

which is odd as Balin calls him "my lad."

"Durin's Heir you may be, but even with one eye you should see clearer. If this is victory, then our hands are too small to hold it. We will not enter Khazad-dum. You will not enter Khazad-dum. Beyond the shadow of the gate it waits for you still: Durin’s Bane. The world must change and some other power than ours must come before Durin’s Folk walk again in Moria.”


Spaldron
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 9:23pm


Views: 878
Stellar!

This got me more excited that any of the AUJ trailers. Looks like things are finally kicking off. Can't wait to see it in IMAX in front of Man of Steel.

And Smaug looks terrifying. Laugh

"A single dream is more powerful than a thousand realities."


Escapist
Gondor


Jun 11 2013, 9:27pm


Views: 877
Yes - I think you are right, still "in progress".

I know that they can do amazing things because of what they did with Gollum.

I think that it was inconsistent - just like AUJ was - it can be sooo good - so I want to see it. In every scene - not just certain scenes.

I find that the trailer grows more entertaining with repeated viewings, got chills the second time watching it.

I liked Azog better in this one - he seemed to have more weight to him and be a little less shiny - could still do to be a little less shiny. What other Orc/Goblin is shiny? I'm gonna call rough spots on some of that Azog hide - like dry skin elbows at least ... some imperfections that aren't shiny imperfections or that shine with a different texture.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 9:28pm


Views: 861
It's growing on me, too.

And frankly, I'm not sure why. It doesn't at all seem like the story I'm used to, but for some reason it's making me excited. I'm so confused Crazy

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel




malickfan
Gondor


Jun 11 2013, 9:29pm


Views: 878
Meh, much like the trailer my thoughts are confused and don't really add up to anything..

Mirkwood looks pretty cool...but not particularly murky, and Lee Pace will be awesome as Thranduil, though I have a few issues with the similarity to Lothlorien I think the Elven Kingdomw will be a visual standout in the film.

Even from the brief glimpses it seems all too obvious Tuariel and Legolas (both look a little out of place IMO) are a stitched on subplot (too many elves!) not too sold on the amazon warriors thing or the cliched love story/older brother/ whatever the hell that rubbish turns out to be (People said wait and see about Radagast and I hated more than I feared!!!) but hey at this point I'm almost past caring about such subplots.

If that is the musical score for the final film were in trouble

So that was Beorn smashing into the cabin? Looks promising if out of sync with the book

Smaug looked pretty intriguing (I don't think he's finished though) and I can see Cumberbatch voicing him totally but he's alot bigger than I imagined and not as old or manevolent as I'd wished, but I guess I'd always been underwhelmed.

Laketown is promising but too big IMO-I never wanted grand civiliaztions out 'east' I always pictured Laketown/Thranduil's kingdom as wild and small in comparison to LOTR.

Way too much CGI looked like a msihmash of Crystal Skull and Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man's Chest not like LOTR.

Barrels hmmm..over the top but could be fun, but I'm getting a definite sense of overblown excess from this...

Dammit it!! Still No Billy Connoly!

Loving the secret entrance in the statue.

All in all a messy but fun trailer for a probably messy but entertaining film, but I was left both cold all the same much like my feelings towards AUJ (which I still can't bring myself to rewatch), at least PJ's consistent with his dissapoinment.

At they very least this trailer has me pleased for other reasons-on that basis I'm now 100% convinced PJ will never get the oppurtunity to Butcher The Silmarillion.

But seriously Pete why are you still referring to it as the Hobbit, when the hobbit dosen't even speak in his own trailer!!!

‘As they came to the gates Cirdan the Shipwright came forth to greet them. Very tall he was, and his beard was long, and we was grey and old, save that his eyes were keen as stars; and he looked at them and bowed, and said ‘All is now ready.’

Perhaps the most fascinating Individual in Middle Earth



Olorin2607
Lorien

Jun 11 2013, 9:29pm


Views: 847
Maybe...

Yeah maybe.. in the beginning of AUJ there are shots when he swims in the gold, where it seems like he has lots of them.I hope so. But well, still I really thought he would look greater. But perhaps it's just the glowing sauronlike eye that annoys me. :D Really it looks like Saurons eyeball in LOTR.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 9:30pm


Views: 853
I've watched it multiple times

And no, I've not heard anything that automatically tells me it's a bear. But since everyone else seems to think that's what it is, I'll just roll with it.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel




marillaraina
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 9:34pm


Views: 828
Great

Loved it, I don't know I'm going to wait 6 months. :)

Main disappointment, too many elves not enough Dwarves. I love those dwarves I'd have liked to see them get more attention in the trailer.


(This post was edited by marillaraina on Jun 11 2013, 9:35pm)


Marionette
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 9:34pm


Views: 836
PRETTY AMAZING

Not dissapointed with anything so far!!


"Dear friend good bye, no tears in my eyes. So sad it ends, as it began"
Queen



LordGawain
Rivendell

Jun 11 2013, 9:36pm


Views: 812
Honestly

I can guarantee you that 90 procent of Hollywood movies is NOT shot with real light or source light. Especially the interior scenes in LotR. If you light a scene with candes and fire, you have way too low light to film properly. Nearly all American films use stage/film lighting, positioned so that it seems that the fire is giving the light.


bborchar
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 9:43pm


Views: 774
Awesome...

...can't believe we got to see Smaug at all- now I'm really excited for it. But the real spoiler will be hearing him speak finally (aww yeah, Benedict Cumberbatch). Yep, I loved it, can't wait to see it.

/haters will hate



"And after every single person aboard your ship suffocates, I will walk over your cold corpses to recover my people."~John Harrison..?


CathrineB
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 9:45pm


Views: 769
Anyone notice?

Anyone noticed Kili behind Thorin in one of the barrels? It looks like he has the time of his life while Bilbo is trying to hold onto Kili's barrel. It kinda looks like Bilbo's in water, not a barrel.


Elenorflower
Gondor


Jun 11 2013, 9:51pm


Views: 830
wow that was bad

realy bad. that was the worst cgi I have seen in ten years. Smaug was underwhelming, fake and cheap looking. Beorn? well Fluffy the threeheaded dog in Harry Potter looked better and that was a decade ago. Legolas looked fat, and why oh why was this trailer NOT about Bilbo, I thought the film was about him???


DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 11 2013, 9:52pm


Views: 729
Why is that odd? I think it's perfectly normal in this context.

With Balin being older than Dori.


jtarkey
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 9:52pm


Views: 747
LOTR may have changed things, but those changes were made specifically with the spirit of the books at heart

I'm not a purist by any means, but what Jackson is doing to The Hobbit is simply ridiculous. The spirit of the book is totally lost amidst all of the nonsense and action that clearly only serves to stretch this story into 3 unnecessary films. I don't think you have to be a purist to see how radically different these films are from the books.

He's turning an introspective little book into nothing but CGI sugar coated spectacle. Don't get me wrong, I like action as much as the next person. But when literally ANYTHING can happen in a film, I totally lose interest. I lose interest even more when the characters are ignored and replaced by heartless action scenes.

I'm baffled that Jackson has literally abandoned every concept that made his LOTR films successful as both pieces of Cinema and adaptations that adhere to the spirit of the books.

Goodbye Peter Jackson, Hello Peter Lucas .

On a side note, why can everyone in these movies bounce and jump around like spiderman? How are dwarves, who apparently have to be thrown 10 feet, running around like they're wearing moon boots and jet packs?

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"

(This post was edited by jtarkey on Jun 11 2013, 9:58pm)


triptrap
Lorien

Jun 11 2013, 9:53pm


Views: 714
oh, thank you

i never knew that until you pointed it out to me. but you may actually have a point there cause it does most certainly explain a lot of my troubles with the hobbit


redgiraffe
Rohan

Jun 11 2013, 9:53pm


Views: 756
Orcrist

Haven't read through the comments yet but it looks like Thorin has Orcrist when they are overlooking the city of Dale. A small change from the book but not one that bothers me. And now that I think about it I think he has it in the barrel escape.

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jun 11 2013, 9:56pm


Views: 758
Hmm, lots of Thranduil and Mirkwood!

I'm surprised by how much Thranduil there is in this trailer. That's not a complaint; I'm happy to see and hear more of him, but it's unexpected. I think the bulk of this movie is going to take place in Mirkwood, what with traveling through it, fighting spiders, and both the imprisonment/escape of the dwarves and it looks to me like they will be setting up some important relational dynamics between the Elves which will likely come into play with either (or both of) the Dol Guldur and Bof5A storylines in the third movie.

Also, I notice there's a distince difference in the lighting and tone of the different Mirkwood scenes. Those having to do with the spiders are dark and lit with a blue light. Those in the scenes around the Elvenking's palace are much brighter and golden-lit, giving us a glimpse of Greenwood the Great as it was before the Shadow invaded it. Very nice. And despite the fact that I didn't like the narrow walkways in huge caverns all that much in either Goblin Town (where I felt there should have been more tunnels and less huge empty spaces) or even Erebor (why on earth would you carve narrow walkways over huge chasms with no balustrades at all? It was grand, but didn't feel quite right. I would have liked something a little more like the Great Hall of Moria in feel - you could have put a whole city in a place like that), I liked it this time around for the Elven kingdom. I guess because I feel that Elves are the most surefooted and I don't keep thinking about how easy it would be for people to be always falling off things. Tongue Anyway, I like the Greenwood/Mirkwood contrast.

Also, listening to Thranduil's analysis of Thorin's plan I got thinking - it seems unlikely that Thorin would tell him much, so there are three possibilities.
1. Thranduil finds Thorin's map and figures it out like Elrond did
2. Thranduil's pretty good at putting two and two together and guessing
3. Thranduil has heard something, either from Elrond or even from Saruman and he's not surprised by Dwarven gatecrashers, he was actually on the lookout to capture and hold them so they couldn't go through with their plan.

That last one brings up some interesting plot possibilities....what if Thranduil starts out more or less on Saruman's side? Could explain some of the supposed tension with Tauriel, couldn't it? Hmm.....

Silverlode

"Dark is the water of Kheled-zâram, and cold are the springs of Kibil-nâla, and fair were the many-pillared halls of Khazad-dûm in Elder Days before the fall of mighty kings beneath the stone."



Glorfindela
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 9:56pm


Views: 706
I think that's definitely a bear, tarasaurus

It looks like a Brown Bear, although we only get a glimpse of him.

By the way, I'm not too sure why a few people are complaining about the use of too much CGI. There doesn't seem much in the trailer that could be done without it. I mean, I wouldn't really want to see a man dressed in a bear suit as Beorn in bear form, for example.


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jun 11 2013, 9:57pm


Views: 743
I agree with that.

Smaug didn't seem to have the feeling of weight like the Jurassic Park Dinos had. I'm hoping it's just because of the low-res video quality. CGI tends to REALLY stick out once it's been downsized and compressed. (Fingers crossed) I'll still excited though.

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.


DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 11 2013, 9:58pm


Views: 943
If you look closely...

It's actually a different sword in both shots you mention. In the barrels, he is holding an Orc sword, similar to the one Elrond as in AUJ.


BornOutOfTheWest
Rivendell


Jun 11 2013, 9:58pm


Views: 955
What worries me about the CGI....

Is that we had this exact same reaction last year to the AUJ trailers -"Too much CGI", "The shots aren't finished yet, the CGI will be ready for the film". And yet, despite our hopes of the effects improving, the final movie included that AWFULLY bad CGI bunny sled chase and the wholly unrealistic goblins.

I can only say that this time I hope they WILL clear up and firm up the shots - especially those elf fighting scenes or this movie will receive much the same criticism as AUJ.


bborchar
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 10:00pm


Views: 927
And that is why...

I think Smaug will be awesome. I don't think you can find a more menacing voice than that of Benedict Cumberbatch. He's such a great and talented voice actor that he could make Russian sock-puppet Smaug scary as hell.



"And after every single person aboard your ship suffocates, I will walk over your cold corpses to recover my people."~John Harrison..?


DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 11 2013, 10:01pm


Views: 941
Don't fret yet!

A trailer is designed to entice people (not just us fans) in. They've done a pretty good job of that. A trailer doesn't need to say anything about the actual plot, just to show the film off a bit.

The trailer might concentrate on the Elves, but who knows what the overall film is like. The trailer doesn't need to be about Bilbo, for the film to be about Bilbo.

Smile


bungobaggins
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 10:04pm


Views: 916
It's not Orcrist

As you can see here. The blade is long and straight, not curved. As for the barrel escape it looks more like an orc scimitar.

http://imgur.com/a/1Wcba

"You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - Gandalf

Darth Bungo: "Gandalf the Gray never told you what happened to your father."
Bilbo Barrel-rider: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him."
Darth Bungo: "No, I am your father."

(This post was edited by bungobaggins on Jun 11 2013, 10:05pm)


jimmyfenn
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 10:08pm


Views: 907
ahh

closer analysis of smaug, i think he is looking terrible, a cross between a dog and a crocodile eurrghh, he even walks like a dog in auj.
i pray its a trick, cos he looked great in the end of auj.

"You Tolkien to me?!" - Hobbit de Niro

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Elessar
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 10:10pm


Views: 857
Good catch

I've watched the trailer 15 times at least and never noticed that.



bungobaggins
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 10:10pm


Views: 881
Come here Smaug! Here boy! *whistles*

Woof woof! Laugh

"You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - Gandalf

Darth Bungo: "Gandalf the Gray never told you what happened to your father."
Bilbo Barrel-rider: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him."
Darth Bungo: "No, I am your father."


tarasaurus
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 10:13pm


Views: 828
Me too

I do as well :) It's consistent with a bear's features, especially that snout and teeth.

p.s. I agree with you on the CGI thing...I think the elves in the trees was a little *too* fluid-looking, otherwise CGI doesn't bother me at all.


Elenorflower
Gondor


Jun 11 2013, 10:15pm


Views: 840
thing is

this is our very first view of Smaug, he should have been perfect, why on earth would they risk a trailer with half done special effects, surely they would at least have finished him? seeing as he is kind of important.

what worries me most is the fake cgi everywhere, those Elves in the trees looked obviously fake even to me, and I aint no expert, but it stood out, how can cgi be worse than 10 years ago?

even Spiderman films from years back look better than that.


Elessar
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 10:15pm


Views: 820
Smaug looked great

I think he looked pretty darn fantastic in what we saw. I can't wait to see the full look when the movie happens.



dormouse
Half-elven


Jun 11 2013, 10:16pm


Views: 818
It's Ori

Sounds like his voice to me, you see him standing in the background, and I'd say this is confirmed because Balin calls him 'Laddie'.


Elenorflower
Gondor


Jun 11 2013, 10:20pm


Views: 846
I think Smaug

looks like a cross between a duck-billed platypus and T-Rex, and beorn looks like a very angry Luck Dragon from Neverendng story


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 10:21pm


Views: 819
They have to show unfinished things nowadays

because the fans clamor and beg for scraps at the table like dogs for anything before the film comes out. Studios comply and force filmmakers to release pieces into the wild unfinished and out of context. I am part of the problem.

"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien

"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas


jtarkey
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 10:22pm


Views: 792
Yeah, it seems like something he would say.

Seriously, they should have just given Bilbos character to Ori, since he is obviously the most out of place. And then they could have renamed the film "The Dwarf" which would be more fitting so far anyways. And he already has more lines than Bilbo does in that trailer.

At this point, it seems like Jackson could be like "Hey guys, I hope it's cool that I'm gonna put in a disco dance off as a replacement for the Battle of Five Armies! Don't worry though, it's totally in the spirit of Tolkien" and everyone would be like "AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"


MadgeBishop
Bree

Jun 11 2013, 10:23pm


Views: 839
Trailer a reaction to press criticism?

Many, if not the majority, of press reviews considered AUJ to start slowly and only become interesting once the our intrepid gang reached the Misty Mountains. The Bag End scenes were seen as too slow by many.

Is this trailer therefore something of a reaction to this concern? An all action trailer suggests a faster moving film. Whilst I suspect, given the content, DOS will be more action packed I think it's safe to assume the entire film is not reflected in this trailer...there will be, I imagine, slower character based scenes too.

My only concern is that, for me, AUJ is fabulous until they leave Rivendell where I feel the film descended into unnecessarily overblown action sequences which I didn't hate, but did not feel the sense of both awe and emotion that I felt in LOTR (especially FOTR). I feel Peter is prone to over embellishment of scenes (King Kong is, for me, ruined by the ridiculous Skull Island sequences) and I expect this'll irritate me a little in DOS as it did in AUJ (a little respect for the laws of physics when falling/jumping would be good). However, it is still a film based on Tolkien and I'm sure my enjoyment will outweigh my concerns although I'll never love this trilogy as I do LOTR. Then again, I significantly prefer the LOTR book to The Hobbit too...

You know, I miss the realism of LOTR...the dirt under the fingernails, the nails through the Black Rider's horse's foot...I just don't get that feel once we get out into the Wild.


Olorin2607
Lorien

Jun 11 2013, 10:26pm


Views: 778
LOL

Thought that too the first time I saw him. His snout looks like someone punched on it.


Arannir
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 10:27pm


Views: 802
My thoughts

- Smaug seems to be a classic dragon... YES!!!!

- Thranduil is epicness

- His halls as well. Even his son whom I hated in both book and movies so far.

- Evangeline could be one of the best Elves so far... love especially how her character is involved in the "this is going to be the war of ALL FREE PEOPLES at some point" story

- Laketown, Mirkwood and Erebor seem superior to most of the sets from LotR juding from these view glimpses

- the desolation seems to be portrayed better than I ever thought it could look and feel like


Negative bits:

- Bear... if it is the bear.
- The Elves in the branches of the trees and Legolas sliding.
- Thrain's (?) jump



All in all: exactly what was needed marketing-wise at this point in time.



“A dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of men’s imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.” J.R.R. Tolkien

Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.

(This post was edited by Arannir on Jun 11 2013, 10:29pm)


TolkienLocked
The Shire


Jun 11 2013, 10:27pm


Views: 759
Hmm

I'm not fussed as to what he looks like as long as they keep him red! We don't want no purple Smaug.


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 10:31pm


Views: 778
The story of DOS is articulated poetically and bluntly in the trailer

by the wonderful Lee Pace:

"Yo dwarves, especially Thorin, you want to take back your house and kill the current squatter?" And then he winks at the camera. Cut to lots of action!

"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien

"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas


Escapist
Gondor


Jun 11 2013, 10:36pm


Views: 722
I don't think there is too much CGI.

I just think that if they are using that much of it, it should be a high priority because using it a lot makes it a primary factor in audience reaction and film quality.

I think along the lines of a rule: Don't use CGI in a scene unless you are ready to do it right. I think most of the scenes were awesome. I loved the lighting effects on main character elves and the way it makes them look "otherworldly". I didn't have a problem with the bear, either. But then there were the elves in the trees - mostly pretty good - but obviously not given the same attention to the rest. I really have become convinced that the greater part of the vexing over AUJ came from inconsistency of quality. If Gollum is that awesome then it is obvious that the rest of it could have been and depending on a person's personality - that can be no big deal or a trigger that pulls them out of the story.

Maybe CGI seems like an attractive way to cut costs compared to highering live actors - but if every single frame is held to an equal high standard - then such corners shouldn't be cut. In fact, it hurts the movie a lot for a large portion of the audience when some CGI moments are amazing and others do look like a video game (in all honesty).

<soap box off>

Again - most of this was awesome. I am very impressed. I don't think it could have succeeded at the same level without some creative license and I adore what they did with characters and interesting plot lines - I honestly feel that even after having read the book so many times, I could not tell what will happen next in the movie (precisely) - which makes it more entertaining. I would just hate to see all the good work of so many people judged by the quality of the least attended to CGI scene - which is how some critics seem to operate in some situations.


Kimtc
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 10:50pm


Views: 701
Late to the party here, but....

I thought it was fantastic. I've only been able to watch it a few times, so I'm not too deep in the weeds yet. However, as thrilled as I am to have seen Smaug, I wanted more Beorn, and indeed I wish we had seen Mikael Persbrant in non-bear form (although we only got to see enraged snout on the actual bear).

You obviously do not worship at the altar of Lee Pace. He rocks those eyebrows. Of course, they look better on him when he's his natural brunette (could we be seeing the beginning of Thranduil-eyebrow threads, similar to Thorin's hair?).


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- Snow (and ice) throughout Erebor, Dale and Laketown. Chilly!
- The Hidden Door appears to be behind one of the big Dwarf Statues (which I said it would be!)
- Thorin also nearly drops the key off the edge.
- No lids on the barrels ...
- Why are there slugs on Thranduil's brow?
- All the Elves (Chasing the barrels) seem to have similar hair to Tauriel
- Is that just a bear, or Beorn!bear?
- What is that Elf pointing out to Legolas? Probably leaving Thranduil's Halls?
- Thorin opens the Hidden Door at night/sunset (phew)
- Also seems to be something above the door, inside the tunnel - a carving maybe?
- Bilbo is in the water ... but not invisible
- CGI of the chamber seems a bit off, but Smaug looks good
- Is that the same Smaug from AUJ? We need a comparison.

I enjoyed it overall. Too much CGI though. General public will be left baffled - doesn't really get across any of the story, does it?



malickfan
Gondor


Jun 11 2013, 10:51pm


Views: 707
Didn't know Christopher Tolkien visited these forums....


Quote
Hardly recognise Tolkiens work amongst all the popcorn crap


But seriously I agree with you, a souless overblown, underwhelming mishmash, and If this is the direction the films are going in I honestly can't see why PJ called them 'Hobbit' films...

Of course the main flaw with the film will be the abscence of the talking purse...


‘As they came to the gates Cirdan the Shipwright came forth to greet them. Very tall he was, and his beard was long, and we was grey and old, save that his eyes were keen as stars; and he looked at them and bowed, and said ‘All is now ready.’

Perhaps the most fascinating Individual in Middle Earth



TheSexyBeard
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 10:52pm


Views: 681
Looks awesome

Awesome trailer, Got some really cool glimpses of some really great looking sequences such as the Dwarves looking out at the ruins of Dale, climbing the statue, and Bilbo with his back to the tree as the spider climbs up it. I was surprised by how bright and sunny some of the sequences seemed to be. Especially Azog climbing up the wall, which was a really cool shot IMO. His evil grin makes it for me. Some of the CGI looked like it still had some work to done but that's what the next 5 months are for.

Pretty shocked to see Smaug already. I thought they would a least give a hint towards him and save the reveal for the film. I'm wondering if they're planning to save his voice as the big reveal. Or is this a red heron? His head reminds a bit of the raptors from Jurassic Park.

Yes, my username is terrible.


LordGawain
Rivendell

Jun 11 2013, 10:55pm


Views: 686
Good point

I'm not very fond of this trailer, but it does, strangely put my mind at peace concerning the film.

1) It does seem like WB asked for an action-packed trailer, with little exposition/dialogue/character, as a response to the critique on AUJ. But, they are still clearly working on the visual effects, which is why all the action shots (except for Legolas sliding in the dark part of mirkwood, and gandalf/thrain) come from one (hopefully unfinished) action scene, that seems to occur at the same time as the barrel escape. This is clearly not the end of the movie, but probably a semi-climax halfway through, therefore, it can be a bit less serious, without taking away from the emotional punch the movie can have. They did not show any action from the last third of the film, which will either contain the attack on Laketown or the attack on Dol Guldor, or both. One is a very strong emotional climax, the other is a huge cliff-hanger.

2) it is clear that these early action scenes were shot as the climax of the first film, back in the day, looking at the colors, lighting. I think the film will turn much darker after the point were the second movie used to start.

3) They showed quite a bit of action and no characters or dialogue, except for Thranduil, but that's just the trailer. Even with me having some annoyances with AUJ, I was very content with the large amount of great dialogue we got, from bag end to the riddles in the dark. Just because it isn't in the trailer, doesn't mean it's not in the movie.

4) This trailer shows that they seem to be doing Thranduil just right.

5) Tauriel actually seems okay, she delivers her lines alright, and does not stick out as someone who does not seem to fit. I don't know if I'll like her, but for now, I do not dislike her either, and that's a relief.

So, they chose to add an action scene that I'll probably dislike a bit, and it was featured prominently in the trailer. doesn't mean the movie will be bad.


Salmacis81
Tol Eressea


Jun 11 2013, 11:01pm


Views: 1112
Same here...

I went in with low expectations, and still wound up disappointed. More over-the-top unrealistic fight scenes, more PJ alterations/inventions, Azog looks just as cartoonish as ever, Smaug looked like the dragon kite in the AUJ prologue. Just about everything that bothered me about AUJ, looks to be part of DoS in spades. If this trailer is any indication, Jackson has not learned anything from AUJ's mixed reception. Obviously, I'll have to wait and see the film first, but this trailer did nothing to reassure me.


Dwarvenfury
Lorien

Jun 11 2013, 11:04pm


Views: 1132
Interesting Hypothesis.

I'll take a guess and say it's not Smaug. I think
it may be a proto, along the lines of one used for
AUJ. But weighing various pieces of infomation, I
draw the conclusion that this is not the dragon
Smaug that will be in DoS. 2 cents.


Salmacis81
Tol Eressea


Jun 11 2013, 11:07pm


Views: 1115
I don't think it's that the cgi is worse...


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how can cgi be worse than 10 years ago?


I think it's that Jackson is over-relying on it and stretching it to it's limit. The "secret" barrel escape, which is now apparently a chase/fight action sequence, looked particularly cartoonish.


Joe20
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 11:08pm


Views: 1120
Everyone seems

to be complaining about the shot of legolas' sliding in. Saying it is really bad CG. That shot is real. It was in the DOS sneak peak. Now obviously there were green screens in the shot but unless they've done a 180 and used a digital double there (which i'm pretty sure they haven't, since its quite clearly him when you pause it) it isn't bad cgi.

One thing that I'm noticing again here is how jarring the change from set to location is. The scene with Legolas and Tauriel outside stands out like a sore thumb, unfortunately. It's a shame more of it wasn't shot on location.

In fact, I may be wrong but is that the only shot in the entire trailer that is on location?! Unimpressed The 'was that an earthquake' shot was on location from what I remember in the sneak peek but here it looks like a set...


tolktolk
Lorien

Jun 11 2013, 11:17pm


Views: 1080
Yes ...

Most critics found something to enjoy in AUJ (mainly the lead performances and standout scenes like Riddles) but the consensus was that it was overlong, with far too much badly done CGI and was bloated and overstuffed (the two most commonly used adjectives) with extraneous invented characters and storylines which were developed at the expense of the core characters, especially Bilbo who disappeared in the middle of his own story and the dwarves, most of whom remained an amorphous mass at the end of three hours.

All of which seems to describe this trailer exactly!


jimmyfenn
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 11:19pm


Views: 1075
cg

if you pause it legolas' 'face' is literally wrapped around his head, its definitely horrid cg.

watching this trailer again, i noticed something, legolas is in it the most!!!! its so annoying, its like theyve panicked and decided orlando will win back all thefans, sucks!!

"You Tolkien to me?!" - Hobbit de Niro


lurtz2010
Rohan

Jun 11 2013, 11:24pm


Views: 1078
best trailer ever

I can't believe people are hating all the cgi and action, it's 2013 this is how it has to be and it's how it should be. I thought everything was perfect.


bungobaggins
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 11:25pm


Views: 1072
I fear seeing this in theaters

and being surrounded by squealing Bloom fan girls. Oh god, why?

"You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - Gandalf

Darth Bungo: "Gandalf the Gray never told you what happened to your father."
Bilbo Barrel-rider: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him."
Darth Bungo: "No, I am your father."


Joe20
Lorien


Jun 11 2013, 11:28pm


Views: 1042
I really don't think so.

Have a look here...
http://oi44.tinypic.com/qpnyvd.jpg I highly doubt that is a digital double or any other form of major manipulation to the original shot.

Which is here btw...

http://oi39.tinypic.com/1jlndd.jpg


imin
Valinor


Jun 11 2013, 11:34pm


Views: 1017
Why in the trailer shot

Is everything blue? looked better when it was just the regular set

'What's the matter with you?' - J.R.R. Tolkien


Salmacis81
Tol Eressea


Jun 11 2013, 11:37pm


Views: 1064
Strongly disagree with this sentiment...

 

Quote
it's 2013 this is how it has to be and it's how it should be


I wanted to see "The Hobbit", this is "The Hobbit on Steroids". IMO, bigger isn't always better.


jimmyfenn
Rohan


Jun 11 2013, 11:39pm


Views: 1005
nah

his hands and head have been messed with, legolas' face is cgi all over in everyshot, its obvious. compare his nice clean looking elf face to something else.

doesnt help those tree hoppng elves dont even look ps4 quality

why am i watching a hobbit trailer with so much legolas screwing it up!!!

"You Tolkien to me?!" - Hobbit de Niro


lurtz2010
Rohan

Jun 11 2013, 11:46pm


Views: 1013
how is it a bad thing?

It's still the story from the book. People just hate action and cgi for the sake it.


Sam20
Lorien

Jun 11 2013, 11:52pm


Views: 976
Trailer

The trailer is exciting but I had some difficulties recognizing the tale of The Hobbit in there. New characters, scenes, speeches. It is a long way from the little book which I enjoyed so much. They've kept the butterfly moment untouched though and I appreciate it.

But I will see this film in theather and hopefully enjoy it as I did with the first part. Smaug looks too much of a computer CGI. Perhaps they could make some late adjustements and improve it. I must admit that Tauriel which I've criticized much looks not bad at all. I still don't really see the need of this though. But they have to fill the movies with ''sideline stories'' to make a trilogy out of it. Bard is nice though I thought he was older in the book. Nice to see Legolas, hopefully they'll not make such a fuss of him in the films.

On a note of ten:

6/10


(This post was edited by sam90 on Jun 11 2013, 11:57pm)


Elessar
Valinor


Jun 12 2013, 12:00am


Views: 961
I don't know about that

Its a pretty good trailer and I think this part is going to be freaking cool as all get out but I wouldn't call it the best ever. I share your excitement though. Cool



Kullervo
Rivendell


Jun 12 2013, 12:10am


Views: 938
Smaug

To me Smaug looks quite a bit like a giant eel. And just like an eel, he has a very ancient and unsympathetic look to him, but with a lot more cold intelligent in his eyes. He even seems to be moving in the trailer like a giant worm (or eel). To me he looks absolutely great so far. And I have little doubt he'll be an impressive and terryfying creature to behold come december.

But maybe they should have left his reveal to the movie. Seeing Smaug first time on a small screen in a quick, out of context, low resolution shot on youtube just isn't going to match all the hype. As predicted, many will say: "I don't get what the big deal was - he looks like a dragon".

EDIT: here's a link of a giant eel for comparison http://reefguide.org/pix/giantmoray2.jpg


(This post was edited by Kullervo on Jun 12 2013, 12:11am)


Salmacis81
Tol Eressea


Jun 12 2013, 12:11am


Views: 942
I don't hate action and cgi, only when I find it excessive...

And while it is based on the story from the book, it's so heavily altered and covered up with so many extraneous layers that it is hard to recognize it as the same story, at least in my eyes.


(This post was edited by Salmacis81 on Jun 12 2013, 12:12am)


bborchar
Rohan


Jun 12 2013, 12:27am


Views: 909
Many types of dragons...

Every culture has their "pre-disposed" idea of what a dragon looks like. In Japanese culture, sea horses are called "baby dragons". In China, dragons look more like lions crossed with eels. In India, dragons have the head of a human and the body of a serpent. To me, this dragon looks like the typical medieval version of a dragon, and I can't see how he won't be utterly awesome :)



"And after every single person aboard your ship suffocates, I will walk over your cold corpses to recover my people."~John Harrison..?


duats
Grey Havens

Jun 12 2013, 12:39am


Views: 931
YEESH

As a movie fan, this trailer did nothing for me. As a Hobbit fan, this is the worst thing I could have possibly seen.

When you release a trailer for a movie called "THE HOBBIT," based on a book called "THE HOBBIT," and a made-up elf character gets more lines than the title character, you know a ball has been dropped. Big time. We get a couple reaction shots from Bilbo, and that's it. Did he even have a line? I thought I heard a laugh at one point, but that may have just been my mind playing tricks on me. Instead, this trailer was elf after elf after elf, and the two that show up the most aren't even in the book. Grievous misstep. Just absolutely inexcusable.

The over-saturation of dodgy CGI is simply mind-boggling. Everyone was up in arms at the very notion that someone other than Peter Jackson make these films. It might as well be a different director, with how disturbingly different these look from the Lord of the Rings films. This movie looks like someone handed a $200 million dollar budget to Pixar. It might as well be a damn cartoon. Beorn looked simply atrocious (and they couldn't even get the color right), Smaug is devastatingly generic, and Azog continues to unimpress. Then you throw in the blatant CG doubles and painfully obvious CG landscapes, and suddenly you're not in Middle-earth anymore. You're in a computer.

The elegance and simplicity of this story appears to have been cast aside in favor of taking every small event in the novel and blowing it up into an unnecessary and over-the-top action sequence with absolutely no regard for even the most basic principle of physics. How am I expected to care what happens to these characters when half of them are flying around like Spider-Man? Weightless, emotionless, tensionless popcorn fluff. It's just visual assault after visual assault.

Truthfully, the only thing in this trailer that I genuinely liked was Thranduil. Lee Pace nailed it to the wall. Everything else ranged from forgetful to downright offensive. Just an all-around disappointing trailer. The Hobbit fan in me is sick.


(This post was edited by duats on Jun 12 2013, 12:40am)


Yngwulff
Gondor


Jun 12 2013, 12:39am


Views: 890
I still loved it

A few flaws, but we always have the books .. its an adaptation and as close to getting to ME on the Silver Screen as we will ever get so take it for what its worth.

PS that was a bear ... look at the snout ... I've seen enough real bears in my yard to know the difference


Take this Brother May it Serve you Well
Vote for Pedro!


nenyacaster
Bree


Jun 12 2013, 12:41am


Views: 905
wow!

A very exciting trailer, it looks like we will really enter the worlds of Mirkwood, laketown... When I was reading the book I pictured the hidden door being in a green, bucolic mountain setting. Not so bleak. I agree this is probably not the finished Smaug that we're seeing. I like Tauriel, but I hope she isn't the only woman in the movie. And I'm still holding out Thranduil's wife/Legolas' mother will appear or at least be mentioned as having existed at some point. We don't need to continue the Elrond-Denethor-Theoden trend of kings with children but no wives/mothers that was made in the LOTR films. I think the story of Elrond's wife could be a movie in of itself, but unless procreation happens in some bizzare way for noblemen of middle earth, I want to hear something about these Queens.


Heatherleawv
Bree


Jun 12 2013, 12:57am


Views: 865
I

really enjoyed the trailer! 6 months to go! Smile

All that glitters is not gold...


bborchar
Rohan


Jun 12 2013, 12:59am


Views: 858
I liked Beorn, too...

I loved them pushing him out...it looks to be right after they arrive (Thorin's face is still cut up), so I'm guessing we don't ge the "2x2" scene in the book. I've seen some bears up close and personal, too, while four-wheeling. I stayed away because it was a mother bear and her cubs.



"And after every single person aboard your ship suffocates, I will walk over your cold corpses to recover my people."~John Harrison..?


GiantMushroomBear
Bree

Jun 12 2013, 1:07am


Views: 873
The foot...?

What is the significance of this shot...?


arithmancer
Grey Havens


Jun 12 2013, 1:39am


Views: 824
WHich shot?

Do you mean the one at 1:23? This appears to be a shot of Bilbo and a Dwarf (Thorin?) standing near the edge of something, and there is a rope there that is sliding down over the edge. The foot (of the Dwarf) seems to be trying to stamp on it to stop it falling, but missing. From Bilbo's dress I take it this is after Laketown.


Esmeralda
Bree


Jun 12 2013, 1:43am


Views: 798
It sounded like

Fili to me. Especially since Balin says 'Lad'.

Cool trailer. A bit heavy on elves and light on the Thorin, but I found it interesting that everyone was talking *to* Thorin, so it is his quest and his decisions that are still central to the story.

As someone else pointed out, Smaug's head gliding into frame almost exactly replicates the appearance of the dragon-kite in AUJ, which is a neat touch :).

I'm wondering where Kili got the bow and arrows he's holding in the barrel shot. Maybe from Tauriel? Giving him a chance against the orcs?


arithmancer
Grey Havens


Jun 12 2013, 1:45am


Views: 806
Loved it!

I really enjoyed the trailer, it is making me look forward to December more. I thought the start with the voiceover by Lee Pace as Thranduil was very nice. I liked the look of the new places - especially Mirkwood, the Woodland Realm, and the ruins of Dale. And the end with Smaug and Bilbo was great!


flameofudun
Lorien

Jun 12 2013, 1:45am


Views: 799
it was someone( by the look of it thorin)

stepped on the key just as it was gonna fall off the ledge

''We are very dangerous over short distances''

-Gimli


Na Vedui
Rohan


Jun 12 2013, 1:54am


Views: 807
Trailerese, action and bears

My impression of trailers is that they always make a film look like wall-to-wall action sequences with a few crabbitty verbal confrontations and smooch kisses (if any) thrown in - this goes way back; I remember seeing James Bond trailers when I was a kid that seemed to consist entirely of car-chases taking place anywhere but on a road! So I am hoping that we'll get the quieter character moments as well. The butterfly scene was encouraging - was hoping for that, but afraid it and other things of that sort might get left out. I liked the look of the Elf-King's place, and Laketown, and am curious to see how Thranduil, Legolas and Tauriel will pan out.

A lot of the action (this was true in parts of AUJ too) goes literally too fast for me and too far away - I can't focus quickly enough to see who's doing what. I like a good battle, but for me the action stuff that works best is either "patterns" - where you get an overview of a phase in the fight or a tactical move (stuff like the testudo formation bringing up the battering-ram to the gates of Helm's Deep in TT; or Gandalf and Eomer's Riders careering down that steep hill to relieve the siege), or else close-up hand-to-hand stuff where there's time to see the reactions of the participants. So here, I rather liked the leaping elves - shades of "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon", and they are elves, after all - but wished I could see them better.

The bear - that may not be their first introduction to Beorn - there's another possibility: In the book, they are given strict instructions not to go out at night; they don't, but hear noises all night, and find the tracks of dancing bears in the morning. If someone (perhaps one of the younger dwarves), did open the door out of curiosity, then you might get a scene like the one shown (and my word, won't Gandalf say "I told you so"!).


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jun 12 2013, 1:55am


Views: 776
Good one :D

Absolutely it qualifies... and it's the first one to go on my list :) THANKS!



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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jun 12 2013, 1:58am


Views: 781
Great Obs! :D

When I first saw the "snow", I thought it might be ash. But the scene is obviously before the Company leaves for the Mountain. Lake-town is fantastic!!



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Dalgalad
The Shire


Jun 12 2013, 1:59am


Views: 777
I think Smaug looks great based on those images...

I wasn't overly impressed with the trailer, but now you've brightened things up a bit, you can see more of his shape. Looks a bit more bulky than I first thought,

His mouth curls up strangely at the front, but I guess this is to make the talking animation more believable (and I hope he'll get a lot of dialogue). Hopefully we'll see something better than Dragonheart...


Ruxendil_Thoorg
Tol Eressea


Jun 12 2013, 2:24am


Views: 762
Some of mine

hey Q! Hows it going?

My reaction was that I enjoyed that trailer a lot! I kept playing it over and over. What music was that?

Sorry if the following have been mentioned already. I haven't read all of the posts before this one, but I mean to.

Radagast's crystal at the top of his staff is white, or pale blue. Not red, as it was in the previous movie.

"Don't think I won't kill you, Dwarf". Leggy sounds kinda defensive here, like he automatically assumes Thorin will somehow think Legs won't kill him. I think he's facing an inner struggle. He doesn't really believe in killing Dwarves, but he has to talk the talk in this instance.

His inner struggle will probably be a balancing act between his father's and Tauriel's influence.

Tauriel is all about killing evil. "When did we allow evil to become stronger than us?" "This is our fight!" She will probably represent the view that evil must be fought.

Thranduil in contrast will probably represent the view of self-interest and neutral isolationism. If that is right, then Legolas echoes his father's attitude in speaking with Tauriel isolationist, neutral attitude when speaking with Tauriel, i.e., "This is not our fight".

Bilbo didn't get any lines. That's a disappointment. Hopefully we'll hear from him in the next trailer. But at least he appeared in quite a few action-ish shots/glimpses. I like that he draws Sting. It will probably help him realize that the creature is not an Orc or Goblin.

About Beorn. I think the bear was Beorn...why would the trailer show a bear if it wasn't Beorn?

About Smaug....too dark to get a real opinion about how he looked. I liked the glowing red eye, which already sets him apart from other movie dragons. I like that he has a long snout, as opposed to short-snouted Draco from Dragonheart, which to me was a disappointment. I like that he's friggin' huge, i like the grinding sound effects when he moves. I was hoping to see, but didn't see, more of a sinister facial expression, evidencing a cunning, layered personality.

That's all I got for now. I feel like that kid in that tv commercial. "We want more! We want more! We really like it, we want more!" --RT

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cats16
Valinor

Jun 12 2013, 2:25am


Views: 774
Another thing I noticed...

We have the establishing shot of Laketown, with Bard's boat (from the scene in the sneak peek with the Company) being the only discernible moving object on the screen. The cool part is that the only things we can see on the boat are the barrels, standing up. Either Bard must have had them get inside of them to hide, or there is a place they are hiding inside the boat. I would guess he's helping them go unnoticed through the town, to remain inconspicuous.


Edit: Just paused it at 1080p, and I also see Bard (I'm pretty sure) moving the barrels around. There also looks like there's something inside of them. I obviously can't say with certainty that it is the dwarves, but that's what my guess is right now. I wish I could enlarge the image, though. It's at the 45 second mark if you want to find it quickly. Maybe it's my eyes playing tricks, but I feel like I'm seeing a little red head inside a barrel on the left.


(This post was edited by cats16 on Jun 12 2013, 2:30am)


PattyJB
Rivendell


Jun 12 2013, 2:30am


Views: 756
Thranduil lights!

I love the Mirkwood version of "Galadriel lights" in Thranduil's eyes. Lee Pace looks and sounds wonderful, and Mirkwood in general looks lovely. I must say that Balin is my main dwarf and I loved his delivery of the dragon line. Heart Tauriel looks much better here than in the stills, which is not really a surprise to me, as I think Lilly typically acts better when in action. And as others have mentioned, I think we have a good idea of Legolas' arc / set-up for LotR.

I liked the brief touches of the iconic Bilbo scenes: They show just enough to raise a frisson of excitement, but leave me anticipating the entirety of the scenes.



grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jun 12 2013, 2:39am


Views: 791
I am THRILLED with this trailer!

AND with the promise of some fantastic storylines! I'm intrigued by Tauriel. When she's speaking with Legolas, she reminds me (in voice and demeanor) of Arwen. I admit I've avoided spoilers and comments about her just so I could experience her like this... and I'm delighted! Seeing Legolas again is AWESOME! Expanding his story and how it will impact his part in the Fellowship has got me so torqued!

Lake-town is stunning! Thranduil and his realm... WOW! That spider coming up behind Bilbo *shudder* reminds me so much of when Shelob was moving in on Frodo in the pass, but Bilbo knows what's coming!

I absolutely love how this trailer ends with Bilbo looking at Smaug's stealthy approach the same way AUJ ended with Bilbo looking up at Gollum's stealthy approach.

Cripes, I'm getting overwhelmed just thinking about this again! I saw it for the first time when I was at work just sneaking a peak when the trailer first played... and I was bowled over! Then I realized 3 of my co-workers had rushed over to me in my little cubicle... "Are you okay!?" I had tears in my eyes and my hands covering my mouth... headphones still on... "It's the new Hobbit trailer!" They smiled, rolled their eyes at me and walked back to their desks shaking their heads and laughing. I looked up at the last of my friends who was peeking at my screen and I asked why everyone came over? She chuckled, "We heard you go 'OMG... you gasped... then whimpered. We thought something happened!" *sigh*

I've just spent 2 hours looking through all of the reactions/comments here for our list... and it reminds me so much of what happened when the LotR films and AUG were released. Jackson is not doing the Book... he's telling us his version/interpretation of The Hobbit. I don't want him to "do the book". I like that The Hobbit book is left intact in all its glory. I LOVE what Jackson/Boyens/Walsh did with the story for AUJ, and I can't WAIT to see what treasures they have for us in DOS and TABA. It's like having MORE Tolkien! And to finally have this collection of characters brought to life through these incredible players is such a thrill!

I want to be swept away in these films. I don't want to know what's coming next. I am so grateful that we have The Hobbit on film at all... let alone THREE films! The Hobbit was so close to not happening. I don't think we really comprehend what a struggle it was just to get to the green light and a GO given to making it. If it hadn't been for Jackson's persistence and tenacious belief in this story and Tolkien's work through years of litigation and pitfalls, we wouldn't have this at all. So whatever he does to tell us this story, I appreciate it BIG TIME!

I'm going to enjoy the ride... revel in the discovery... fall in love with The Hobbit all over again.



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cats16
Valinor

Jun 12 2013, 2:49am


Views: 729
Such refreshing comments!

Ah, the feeling I had earlier in the day is restored!!Smile

Some of the earlier comments had me slumping a little bit, but now I feel much, much better. You've really spoken to many of my thoughts, as well.

*runs with a smile and watches the trailer again for the 234th time*

Cool


Roheryn
Tol Eressea

Jun 12 2013, 2:58am


Views: 712
Me too, gramma!

Love reading your thoughts. Smile Your enthusiasm is always so much fun!

And how touching that your coworkers were so concerned for you -- LOL! You must be pretty entertaining to them.

I heartily agree: I want to be swept away by these films, and I can't wait. It's a long-anticipated journey and it's great to get to geek out about it here. Smile


Roheryn
Tol Eressea

Jun 12 2013, 3:00am


Views: 710
Yeah, that'd be Kili.


In Reply To
The bear - that may not be their first introduction to Beorn - there's another possibility: In the book, they are given strict instructions not to go out at night; they don't, but hear noises all night, and find the tracks of dancing bears in the morning. If someone (perhaps one of the younger dwarves), did open the door out of curiosity, then you might get a scene like the one shown (and my word, won't Gandalf say "I told you so"!).



Don't you just know he's got to have a few Pippin-like moments? Can't you just hear Gandalf thundering at him: "FOOL OF A DURIN!"

Kili probably just thought he'd go out for a nice moon-lit stroll...pet a bear along the way...


Cirashala
Tol Eressea


Jun 12 2013, 3:25am


Views: 677
boot

you forgot a really interesting half second- we see the bottom half of Bilbo, and a dwarf boot seemingly stomping on a chain and breaking it and the chain falls- I saw the still from the earlier poster who posted the link to 57 screenshots-and it's.....

THORIN'S BOOT.

Are we going to see the confrontation between Bilbo and Thorin over the arkenstone in DOS??????

He must be pretty darn pissed to be able to stomp a chain in half like that!

now my curiosity won't last six months!!!! Frown

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JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Jun 12 2013, 3:58am


Views: 680
Google Search

Golly. 260+ posts and accelerating.

No one is going to remember this post.


Elessar
Valinor


Jun 12 2013, 4:27am


Views: 636
Love it

Love your post. Such energy coming from it. Cool



totoro
Lorien

Jun 12 2013, 5:47am


Views: 602
Excellent trailer

I could have lived with a slower pace than what is undoubtedly coming, but I am a huge fan of every LotR/TH movie so far. I have no doubt I will love this, too.

Now that they seem to have set up Tauriel to have a relatively straight-forward influence on Legolas, I am a bit concerned for her life. Legolas was interested in helping the fellowship, and ventured out of his woodland realm to do so, but why was he still fairly unfriendly to dwarves? I think perhaps Tauriel dies in this one and Legolas honors her memory by getting involved, but never quite forgives the dwarves who brought on her (perhaps) death.


Eruwestial37
Rohan

Jun 12 2013, 6:06am


Views: 586
I completely agree with you, Gramma!

You wrote exactly what I was thinking! I am so very glad PJ decided to fight for The Hobbit. I'm expecting to see DoS as many times in the theatre as I did TT. 22. Legolas will always be my favorite. I'll try to keep my happy squeals to myself in the theatre, though no promises at the midnight showing!
By the way, I turn 60 this year, so I was never a teen fan of Legolas, just a very discerning woman who knows hotness when she sees it.Evil


Retro315
Rivendell

Jun 12 2013, 6:37am


Views: 597
REACTION

Right, well, the trailer itself.

I can't help but be excited. I had my nitpicks but most had to do with the unfinished CGI; that much seems clear, I was thinking it before I read anybody else feeling the same and I did flashback and remember previous trailers not looking as good as the finished product. Adding to that - I rewatch the Trilogy a lot and honestly, while the CGI holds up really well, sharply, with great design and artistry, it doesn't hold up THAT well. Let's just say everything from Cave-trolls to Legolas-stand-ins to army scenes ... and even Hellhawks and Gollum in the wrong lighting ... can look a bit fake. (I'll abstain from any extensive ranting about "Jim Cameron Effect" or just my genuine disdain for CGI when puppetry and models are so freaking incredible.)

As for the contents, it seemed clear that it's firstly comprised of the sort of fleeting action shots that make up minimal amounts of the typical Jackson Middle-earth experience. We know the charm of these movies is actors in costumes acting at each other with charm and emotion, and what we really want to see is just Freeman and McKellan talking. You know, the other 80% of the film.

Everything else seems okay. The focus on the Elves is clearly a conscious decision to spotlight this "next region". It dawned on me that Tauriel may be an invention, but the Elf Captain isn't - casting that role as female and with more lines doesn't hurt my feelings. Plus I've got a soft spot for Elves that look like Link from Legend of Zelda.

Smaug is pretty cool; just enough to be like HOLY COW WAIT WHAT? but not give away the whole shebang. Anyway, the selection of shots really emphasized the fleeting manic moments, and not what I know the movie will really be made up of, mostly. Typical move to sell a product to the action fantasy junkies and laymen out there.

So I have criticisms, but I'm pretty damned excited.


DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 12 2013, 7:07am


Views: 570
It looks like PJ has added some action in to finding the Hidden Door...

With Thorin nearly loosing the Key. That would've been a bummer, wouldn't it!

I think the trailer is very re-watchable, and gets better each time. My first reaction on watching it was concerned by the amount CGI. After watching it more, it does get better and better.


dormouse
Half-elven


Jun 12 2013, 7:13am


Views: 565
Cheers, gramma

Reading through the - how many? - pages of this thread that have gone up since I went to bed I was starting to feel I'd slipped into a parallel universe. Yesterday I watched a spellbinding trailer full of the beautiful, the unexpected - and watched it, and watched it.... And the first reactions were overwhelmingly positive. Other posters really enjoyed it too. This morning it's all meh, this was wrong.... meh, that was wrong... didn't like this, didn't like that, hated this, hated that....

Nothing wrong with reasoned criticism, of course, but your post and your enthusiasm restored the mood and I thank you for it. And now I'm off to watched the trailer again! Wink


namarie
Rohan


Jun 12 2013, 7:29am


Views: 575
I've seen the trailer more than once now

and I love it!
The only bit that still doesn't work for me is the revealing of Smaug but the rest is perfection.
I love Thraduil and his halls, Erebor , Laketown, Beorn,Bard, Tauriel and Legolas. The dialog between Legolas and Tauriel gets me excited about their story.
I don't mind that the trailer is concentrating on Elves a lot. Give me any chance to spend more time in the Elven realm and I'll take it :)
It's obvious that there are a lot of changes from the book but I will judge those when I will see the movie and not from a trailer.
So overall I like the trailer and it got me all excited for the next movie. Can't wait for December now.


“The world is not in your books and maps. It's out there!”


Bandit
The Shire

Jun 12 2013, 7:33am


Views: 585
Evidence of unfinished CGI?

http://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/the-hobbit-desolation-of-smaug-luke-evans.jpg

Why is there a pale,translucent white polygon around Luke Evan's face?

I think this shows that the CGI in many shots is unfinished.


elaen32
Gondor


Jun 12 2013, 8:41am


Views: 515
Well, I agree too Dormouse

I enjoyed the trailer and am looking forward to December. My first reaction was WOW- but then doubts crept in when I read some of the less enthusiastic posts, so I watched it a few times more. Sure some of the CGI is still a bit ropey (the elves in the trees look like something out of an Avatar video game and I really don't know what they have done to Orlando's face- especially the eyes- instead of blue contacts he seems to have "laser eyes") and I hope they tidy it up- but the essence is there. As for character scenes- well I've never seen too many of those in any trailer for any "big" film- the teaser trailer IMV is just there to grab attention- which this one surely did! Having considered all of this, I am still looking forward to the next two films greatly.

I can understand those who have a longstanding attachment to the book feeling aggrieved to an extent- in the past there have been a few books that I have loved which have, in my view been mistranslated to screen (P&P with Keira Knightly and Watership Down when I was a kid spring to mind). I vehemently refused to rewatch these for a while, but later, I have been able to separate book from film in my mind and to enjoy the films on subsequent DVD viewings. Fortunately for me, I don't have that kind of relationship with The Hobbit, so I can better accept the changes and enjoy both book and film for what they are.Smile

PS Dormouse- I think you can come out of your teapot again now- Kel's gone to bed!- or has she?Wink

"Beneath the roof of sleeping leaves the dreams of trees unfold"


dormouse
Half-elven


Jun 12 2013, 9:11am


Views: 724
Er... what pale, translucent white polygon?

There isn't one, so far as I can see. Just his face, hairline, hair, costume.... I can't see why they would use CGI in that scene anyway - looks pretty straightforward to me.


Bandit
The Shire

Jun 12 2013, 9:49am


Views: 728
Look a little closer

Hmm I guess you're right but I've tried to outline the polygon I can see in this image:
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/156/capturebtx.png

It's very faint, try looking a little inside the yellow lines I've drawn. It looks like they were trying to brighten his face maybe? But forgot to blend it in? It doesn't appear in the trailer, only in this promo shot, I think.


LordGawain
Rivendell

Jun 12 2013, 9:55am


Views: 707
I see it

But it appears to be only in the screencaps you looked at. I can't see it in the trailer. maybe it was added by the screencap editor to add clarity to Bard's face?


Elenorflower
Gondor


Jun 12 2013, 10:38am


Views: 692
talking about Legolas

I think he must be married to Tauriel at this point, as most guys put on a little weight when they get hitched, its all those home made Elven pizzas, . Mad


Elenorflower
Gondor


Jun 12 2013, 10:42am


Views: 680
I understand what you mean by

the small screen, but I saw the Dragon in the BBC tv series Merlin and he was quite impressive, its not the size of the screen its the first impression you get that counts, those T-Rexs in Jurassic Park were WAY scarier and WAY more real looking imo. and that was years ago.


dormouse
Half-elven


Jun 12 2013, 10:47am


Views: 681
Sorry - can't see anything odd there except your yellow lines //

 


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jun 12 2013, 10:49am


Views: 689
*snigger* I'm 61

And while I'm more hobbit than elven in my tastes... those elves are dear to me. Having an old friend from the Fellowship as a part of this story is just so cool!



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Elenorflower
Gondor


Jun 12 2013, 10:52am


Views: 675
I am not an expert

but to me the cgi stood out like a sore thumb, and if a 'civilian' can spot it, it must be blazingly obvious to a film pro. I honestly thought it was more noticeable than 10 years ago, the Elves in the trees moved weirdly, cgi should be invisible to the casual glance surely? I know I keep banging on about Jurassic Park but even now I cant quite believe those dinos arent real. i thought from all the hype and hoo-haa that this film was going to make Avatar old fashioned, but Avatar is still much more astounding technicaaly and visually, it hasnt been beaten yet. I thought that this was going to be the new benchmark for film making from all the trumpeting they did. It isnt, its failed as cutting edge visuals and its totally failed as the story of Bilbo. I mean even if they were ignoring poor Bilbo for spectacle at least it should blow my socks off. and it didnt frankly.


Noria
Gondor

Jun 12 2013, 12:25pm


Views: 656
I loved it too.

IMO this was not a trailer for Tolkien fans but was designed to attract the action movie fans that will see Man of Steel. So it was heavy on the action but Thranduil's monologue, Bilbo and the butterflies, the scenes with Bard and Thorin and Legolas and Tauriel made it clear that there will be quieter moments as well.

I think too that the trailer was designed to show people that DoS wil not just be AUJ 2, that there will be new characters and settings and a dragon.

I wasn't enamoured of some of the CGI but that is minor. What Smaug sounds like is of more interest to me than what he looks like.

I thought that both Legolas and Tauriel were completely unobjectionable.

Thranduil was fabulous, - the look, the voice, and dare I say it - the hair, and yes, even the eyebrows. But it's mainly his presence and line delivery that impressed me.

I didn't like this trailer as much as the first AUJ one, which was designed for Tolkien fans IMO, but I liked it a lot.

And I appreciate the positivity of this sub-thread.


Oscarilbo
Lorien


Jun 12 2013, 2:30pm


Views: 611
but....

Of course you know there WILL be more trailers right??? and you know trailers tend to be different from one another (remember the first hobbit trailer and then the second?)

This one is just a teaser...

And please to all... remember this isn't suppose to be an adaptation of The Hobbit Tolkien originally wrote, but of The Hobbit he would have liked to have written once he finished LOTR. That's a very important thing to remember.

"The World is Changed, I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air"


Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Jun 12 2013, 2:45pm


Views: 624
I loved it!

Bilbo and the butterflies...my favorite so far. The Halls of the Elven-king...reminds me of both Rivendell and Lorien, but with its own individual flair. Barrels!! This bit made me laugh :) Is that a Warg or a Bear that Bilbo and the others face trying to get in a door? Thorin opening the Secret Door...Spiders in Mirkwood Crazy. And Smaug...he's looking for YOU!

"You have an axe...coming out of your face...you know that?"


Misty Mountain Hop
Rivendell


Jun 12 2013, 2:57pm


Views: 623
Everyone needs to realize that the final product will be in 3D/48fps

Everyone seems to be complaining about over the top CGI, bright colors, fake looking sets and green screens, but everyone saw this trailer in 2D at 24fps. When this thing hits the big screen in all its glory, those unique aspects will be brought out. I truly believe that the color will be less bright and noticable in 3D and the things that look fake will stand out better in 48 fps, at least I hope so.

Plus, again, all of these shots aren't finished yet. They will continue to work on most of them and refine them. I'm sure that the different departments had to just turn something over to make the trailer.

Finally, I believe that this is the next generation of movie making. I know that there were many ways to make this more real looking and natural like LOTR, but let's be honest, this is the direction that moviemakers are going. Technology is advancing and we might never get some of those more authenticating films. Things continually get clearer and more detailed. We need to accept this new direction in movie making, whether we like it or not.

No matter what anyone else says about this next movie, or AUJ, I absolutely love these films and I cannot wait!!!


Kullervo
Rivendell


Jun 12 2013, 7:37pm


Views: 544
True, but

Did you see the dragon in Merlin first time while watching the show, or did you just watch a short out of context clip of it? Same with Jurassic Park. I think the impact comes mostly from seeing the reveal in context, and experiencing the full rythm of the scene and not just a two second clip cut to the end of a trailer. This is why I think it would have been best to leave Smaug hidden untill december. I understand that they needed to tell the general audience that "don't worry, we didn't show you the dragon in the last movie, but you'll see it in this movie", but I think it would have been enough if we only saw Smaug starting to glide behind the corner and then trailer would have ended before we actually fully see his face. It would have been a tease, but also a promise to those who are not familiar with the story that the Dragon will make an appearance in DOS.

In any case, I'm happy with the design so far, the way his face looks, it's appropriately old and conniving and self-assured (jimmyfenn put links to some brighten up screen shots earlier where you can see his face more clearly), the cgi could use some work, I guess, but I'm confident he'll be great when we finally see (and hear) him the way he is meant to be seen.

And I do agree about the T-Rex in Jurassic park. I just watched that movie recently and was amazed how well it holds up. It still looks as good or even better than many of the movies coming out today.


(This post was edited by Kullervo on Jun 12 2013, 7:40pm)


Elwen
Lorien


Jun 12 2013, 8:00pm


Views: 535
Looks like an exciting adaptation.

But I'm not excited about it the way I should be. For every image I was excited to see (Bilbo and the black emperor butterflies, Smaug's head, Bilbo and the spiders) there were 4 that made me sad (Elves chasing the barrels? Azog attacking the elves? Tauriel having what's obviously a character arc instead of just a few lines?)

Before kids, exercising with LOTR meant listening to the soundtrack while I ran.

After kids, exercising with LOTR means having an all out dance party with the little ones to the "Break the Dam Release the River" disco mix form the Lego game.


Kassandros
Rohan


Jun 12 2013, 9:33pm


Views: 551
Underwhelmed.

I have been taking a break from TORN and most Hobbit news in general for the last few months. I felt I knew too much going into AUJ and am trying to avoid that with DoS, but I still figured watching the trailers would be ok.

I found myself very underwhelmed by this trailer, though. Everything looked like plastic and was far too bright. Didn't look like the second part of a trilogy at all. Hopefully the trailer wasn't very representative. I liked AUJ and was really looking forward to DoS, but this has lessened my enthusiasm for now. Smaug will be a very important part of the film and I loved what I saw of him before. But his appearance in the trailer felt quite "meh" to me.

Anyway, just another vote for "disappointing" I guess. Hopefully the actual movie will turn out much better.

all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jun 14 2013, 1:03am


Views: 456
How many times have you watched it?

The first time I watched it I was so disappointed. But then I watched it a few more times, and each time it has grown on me. It really has me excited now, and that says a lot considering you know what I thought of AUJ.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel




Kassandros
Rohan


Jun 15 2013, 3:40am


Views: 419
Five now.

I had seen it about three when I posted that and I watched it twice more just now in full HD.

I like it a little better now, but my disappointment still stands. The dialog seems pretty bad and the visuals and action too shiny. Tauriel doesn't really seem like a Middle Earth elf, but I understand we've never seen her kind before. Don't think I wanted to see that much of Smaug yet - he doesn't get the time to establish himself so he's just a cgi dragon and that's just kinda meh.

Trailer doesn't matter a whole lot, but I don't find myself excited. Perhaps good since I really want to cut back on spoilers and such this time, even if that means I largely am avoiding TORN.

all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jun 15 2013, 11:16pm


Views: 401
Trailer and whatnot

Besides when Tauriel says "our" really weird, I don't understand how she doesn't seem like any other Middle-earth elf. I know it's just preference, but I think she looks like a good addition.

I, too, found the revelation of Smaug to be underwhelming. I don't like the look so far and can only hope it looks infinitely better when we see all of him. Maybe they were looking for him to look like an animatronic dragon, but that's what he looked like to me. Oh, and I think revealing him in a trailer was an awful idea.

I agree, a trailer doesn't mean a whole lot, but I'm sad you don't seem to be excited. And even though you're avoiding spoilers, you're always welcome on the other boards. You don't have to avoid TORn completely Smile

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel




JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Jun 16 2013, 12:08am


Views: 404
Smaug Reveal

If you notice, Smaug's head coming around the corner to find Bilbo looks a lot more like 2D animation planes being moved relative to each other than a 3D treatment.

Think cartoons - and how backgrounds move to give the foreground characters motion. It's a very unreal effect for live action and so I gather it's an unfinished effect. What I mean here is that it looks like Smaug has not yet been integrated or animated well enough to be in the same 3D space as Bilbo. He doesn't move appropriately relative to the rest of the scene. They probably cheated for time and will obviously finish it to better effect for the movie's release.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jun 16 2013, 12:31am


Views: 396
Smaug animation

I totally understand what you're saying, and that's probably the weird "animatronic-like" movement that I'm noticing. It's actually so distracting (and because I don't like his design) that I generally turn the trailer off before watching that part.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel