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DoS Trailer Rated by the BBFC - 2 minutes, 1 second



Rohirrim Rider
Rivendell


Jun 6 2013, 9:21am


Views: 4108
DoS Trailer Rated by the BBFC - 2 minutes, 1 second

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/...olation-smaug-2013-0

Rated 12A, just like the second trailer for An Unexpected Journey.

2 minutes is a decent length - shorter than the AUJ trailers but long enough to give us some decent footage and not just be a title followed by a 'Coming Soon' flash.

Now it's as good as certain to be released with Man of Steel, time to guess when it will be online - beforehand like the others? Or will Warners hold it back until the mOnday after Man of Steel's opening weekend, like it did with Man of Steel and Dark Knight trailers?


Joe20
Lorien


Jun 6 2013, 9:35am


Views: 1832
Yeeeesssss!!

So excited. This next week is gonna be so goood. E3, Game Of Thrones Finale, Man Of Steel comes out and now the Hobbit trailer!

Smile


boldog
Rohan


Jun 6 2013, 9:39am


Views: 1758
so does this mean....

that the trailer is coming out this week?!!!
(holding back tears of joySmile)

"fingolfin looked up in grief to see what evil morgoth had done to maedhros"


DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 6 2013, 9:56am


Views: 1720
Excitement levels rising!

I wonder if the plan is to release the trailer and vlog together? Perhaps the vlog details how they make the trailers (editing, mixing etc.).

Smile


Rohirrim Rider
Rivendell


Jun 6 2013, 9:58am


Views: 1742
It means it can techincally be released to cinemas at any time from now onwards

Though Warners will hold it back until Man of Steel so don't get your hopes up of seeing it on anything before next Friday (14th). If Warners do the same as they did with the first two Man of Steel trailers then they will be digitally locked and unable to be played until the correct date.

Hopefully it will be online before then but I'm not hoping too much as, like I say in the first post, Warners held the first trailers for Dark Knight Rises and Man of Steel off the net until after the opening weekend of the film they were attached to. We didn't have this with the AUJ trailer but that's because it was attached to Tin-Tin, a Paramount film, so Warners had no reason to try and get people to see it at the cinema - having the DoS trailer attached the Man of Steel makes that film's release even more of an occasion and I'm sure Warners will want to keep it that way.


(This post was edited by Rohirrim Rider on Jun 6 2013, 10:00am)


Welsh hero
Gondor


Jun 6 2013, 9:58am


Views: 1630
intresting //

 

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Joe20
Lorien


Jun 6 2013, 10:02am


Views: 1730
Also, unless we get an official announcement

(though we probably will), keep an eye on the Apple trailers website. They usual put up a banner/ad for when a new trailer is incoming for a big film.


Azaghâl
Lorien


Jun 6 2013, 10:04am


Views: 1670
Omg omg omg

I am so excited!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-LbvFckptY

*Baruk khazâd! Khazâd ai-mênu!*

(This post was edited by Azaghâl on Jun 6 2013, 10:05am)


Arandir
Gondor


Jun 6 2013, 10:25am


Views: 1652
Fantastic, now let's just hope

half of those 2 minutes aren't spent on 'fade to blacks', studio logos and green band announcements ...Laugh

'The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey' Review


Rohirrim Rider
Rivendell


Jun 6 2013, 10:30am


Views: 1646
Well you don't need to worry about the green band bit eating in to that running time at least

The BBFC won't have had someone else's rating system slapped on the front of their version of the trailer Cool


In Reply To
half of those 2 minutes aren't spent on 'fade to blacks', studio logos and green band announcements ...Laugh



Arandir
Gondor


Jun 6 2013, 10:36am


Views: 1625
Great!

So that's 5-6 seconds guaranteed! Laugh

'The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey' Review


Glorfindela
Valinor


Jun 6 2013, 11:16am


Views: 1590
Indeed!


In Reply To
provided half of those 2 minutes aren't spent on 'fade to blacks', studio logos and green band announcements ...Laugh


And provided they are not wasted on 'Tauriel' – which would be a massive turn-off rather than anything to be excited about. I'd like to see more about the characters already established in the film, and perhaps new ones that are in the book – though I'm not sure whether I want to see Beorn or Smaug before the film's release.


Welsh hero
Gondor


Jun 6 2013, 11:37am


Views: 1555
Since it's a UK classification

don't worry, no bands of any colour

-Irfon

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lotrgenius
Registered User


Jun 6 2013, 12:02pm


Views: 1561
I actually kinda hope

They don't show Smaug. At least not all of him. I want to wait till the theater to see the full dragon


TheHutt
Gondor


Jun 6 2013, 12:25pm


Views: 1476
Green band


In Reply To
The BBFC won't have had someone else's rating system slapped on the front of their version of the trailer Cool


In Reply To
half of those 2 minutes aren't spent on 'fade to blacks', studio logos and green band announcements ...


Right, the green band announcement comes extra on top of 2:01.

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Olorin2607
Lorien

Jun 6 2013, 12:26pm


Views: 1513
AWESOME!

Great. Finally some big news. Ah I really hope PJ doesn't mess up DOS as much as parts of AUJ with additions like Tauriel.. Movie 2 and 3 should really become as great as LOTR.


(This post was edited by Altaira on Jun 7 2013, 12:26am)


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Jun 6 2013, 12:33pm


Views: 1552
Not yet listed at the Alberta Recently Classified Trailers site

Until I see it there, I will be skeptical.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


dormouse
Half-elven


Jun 6 2013, 12:56pm


Views: 1478
You don't trust the British Board of Film Censors?

*Raised eyebrow....* Wink


Semper Fi
Rohan

Jun 6 2013, 12:57pm


Views: 1499
1 second is really appreciated

Wink


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Jun 6 2013, 1:13pm


Views: 1486
For all I know

That could be a bogus site. Until I see it someplace that I know is real, I will withhold judgment. I' ve just seen too many weird hoaxs over the years not to be skeptical until I know for sure that something is true.

No offense intended.

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Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Jun 6 2013, 1:16pm


Views: 1436
Smaug, Beorn, Smaug, Beorn! :D//

 

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dormouse
Half-elven


Jun 6 2013, 1:25pm


Views: 1427
It's OK, I wasn't offended....

Just quietly amused. I believe the site is genuine - oh, and the 'C' stands for 'Classification' not 'Censors' - that just shows what I know!!!


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Jun 6 2013, 1:29pm


Views: 1401
I like "censors" better

It gave me a much needed chuckle. Smile

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The Hall of Fire


Shagrat
Gondor

Jun 6 2013, 1:50pm


Views: 1392
Bogus?

It's the BBFC, the British Board of Film Classification. It's about as real as it gets.


TheHutt
Gondor


Jun 6 2013, 2:03pm


Views: 1341
Well, it's actually both


In Reply To
Just quietly amused. I believe the site is genuine - oh, and the 'C' stands for 'Classification' not 'Censors' - that just shows what I know!!!


Well, it's actually both. It used to mean "British Board of Film Censors", later it was renamed to "British Board of Film Classification".

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droidsocket
Lorien

Jun 6 2013, 2:50pm


Views: 828
It's up!

It's up on Alberta site now!!


Elessar
Valinor


Jun 6 2013, 3:08pm


Views: 740
Hot Dog!

Bring on the happy dance Cool



jimmyfenn
Rohan


Jun 6 2013, 3:13pm


Views: 736
tricksss

this is a trick surely! to take our minds of of that silly picture of tauriel, peter jackson is very clever! oh and wheres the vlog btw?

"You Tolkien to me?!" - Hobbit de Niro


GiantMushroomBear
Bree

Jun 6 2013, 3:13pm


Views: 733
link

Link please?


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Jun 6 2013, 3:25pm


Views: 740
Here ya go

http://www.albertafilmratings.ca/...tclasstrailers.aspx]

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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Jun 6 2013, 3:26pm


Views: 726
Thank you!

I didn't really doubt it was true, but it is nice to get confirmation.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


Fàfnir
Rohan


Jun 6 2013, 3:32pm


Views: 711
I think the vlog will go just after

because it will probably use some pictures already present in the trailer, and it's better to discover in a trailer and then understand with the vlog than the other way around


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jun 6 2013, 3:33pm


Views: 679
Yessssh! //

 

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


jimmyfenn
Rohan


Jun 6 2013, 3:34pm


Views: 684
search


In Reply To
I didn't really doubt it was true, but it is nice to get confirmation.


there is a thing called google? its very good.

"You Tolkien to me?!" - Hobbit de Niro


cats16
Valinor

Jun 6 2013, 4:25pm


Views: 655
Awesome!

*rushes to go buy a ticket for Man of Steel* I probably would have seen MOS anyways at some point, but now I'm planning on seeing it early. Things are moving, now! But, will they reveal anything of Schmaaaug?
Wink


paperC
Rivendell


Jun 6 2013, 4:56pm


Views: 618
But..there is no rational reason to not believe it's official and real..

Can't wait!!


Shagrat
Gondor

Jun 6 2013, 5:04pm


Views: 593
Yes

The BBFC is confirmation. Is it anymore just because a North American rating for the trailer comes in? I don't get it.


TheHutt
Gondor


Jun 6 2013, 5:21pm


Views: 553
Usually...


In Reply To
The BBFC is confirmation. Is it anymore just because a North American rating for the trailer comes in? I don't get it.

No, but usually Alberta is quicker with dealing out ratings. :)

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Brethil
Half-elven


Jun 6 2013, 5:36pm


Views: 532
Thanks for the link! //

 

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Garfeimao
Rohan


Jun 6 2013, 5:58pm


Views: 534
Timezones????

It may simply be that the BBFC released the news in their morning, which was still the wee hours of the night in North America. Once the folks were awake in Alberta and at work, they put it up as well.

As for Man of Steel, are there those of you who actually think it needs the DOS trailer to help boost it's box office? It looks amazing, and has looked amazing since they first showed clips at SDCC last year. In fact, I predict it will rule the box office until at least Pacific Rim comes out a full month later. While it's a nice bonus for us Hobbit fans, I doubt the trailer will make much of bump in sales, just make those few minutes before the movie that much more fun. I know I rather like sitting through the trailers of the big summer blockbusters to see what is coming down the pike.

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Ardamírë
Valinor


Jun 6 2013, 6:26pm


Views: 518
trailers

I never see the trailers I want to when I go to the movies. So even though I'll probably see Man of Steel eventually, I'm not going to count on seeing the DOS trailer with it.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel




The Mitch King
Rohan


Jun 6 2013, 6:31pm


Views: 510
Oh ye of little faith!


In Reply To
I never see the trailers I want to when I go to the movies. So even though I'll probably see Man of Steel eventually, I'm not going to count on seeing the DOS trailer with it.


Wink


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jun 6 2013, 6:35pm


Views: 542
It seriously never happens for me!

I don't know how it happens, but if I'm going to see a movie I want to see, and there's supposed to be a trailer attached to it for a film I want to see, it's not being played at that theater! UnimpressedCrazyLaugh

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel




jimmyfenn
Rohan


Jun 6 2013, 6:50pm


Views: 504
from what i can work out

ive just compared a few recent trailers classification dates with there upload dates on to itunes trailers (exclusives) and there seems to be only a few days between classification and release online , on the few ive checked it ranges from 2 days to one week.

could be sooner than we expect.

"You Tolkien to me?!" - Hobbit de Niro

(This post was edited by jimmyfenn on Jun 6 2013, 6:53pm)


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jun 6 2013, 6:53pm


Views: 495
Wednesday

I kind of expect it next Wednesday. If I recall correctly (which I may not), weren't the other two trailers released online on Wednesdays?

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel




DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 6 2013, 7:08pm


Views: 480
The one in September 2012

Was released on a Wednesday, but the one released in December 2011 (the very first one) was released online on Thursday.

Smile


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jun 6 2013, 7:12pm


Views: 446
Forgive me

I think it was Wednesday around 10 or 11 pm here in the States. I had thought about saying "Wednesday in the States" and didn't.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel




Ref
Rivendell


Jun 6 2013, 7:14pm


Views: 452
RE: Rohirrim Rider

If the trailer is to be released before Man of Steel then woohoo! MoS looks most awesome and having DoS trailer beforehand would be blooming fantastic cinema viewing indeed.

Smile

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The Mitch King
Rohan


Jun 6 2013, 7:39pm


Views: 396
This happened to me...


In Reply To
I don't know how it happens, but if I'm going to see a movie I want to see, and there's supposed to be a trailer attached to it for a film I want to see, it's not being played at that theater! UnimpressedCrazyLaugh


...multiple times for the Dark Knight Rises eventually I just found it online Mad


Jim
Rivendell


Jun 6 2013, 7:53pm


Views: 421
I think it might be Wednesday...

Why? Well on Jed Brophy's Facebook page hes been changing his cover photo everyday that involves a countdown of some sort, he started at 10 on Sunday/Monday. He's not said anything about the countdown itself but at the same time it may have nothing to do with the trailer!


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jun 6 2013, 7:55pm


Views: 727
Online

Yeah, due to those circumstances, I just find it easier to watch it once it's released online. Plus, it's free that way. And I can watch it more than once or pause to obsess Laugh

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel




Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Jun 6 2013, 8:17pm


Views: 707
I see these news

got your juices flowing...no pun intended Tongue


I look forward to it, but...

Last year, when this happened, i was a nervous wreck. Filled with eager curiosity and anticipation.

Right now, i dont feel anything. Unimpressed

Better be good!

Vous commencez à m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jun 6 2013, 8:38pm


Views: 686
Mixed emotions

Truthfully, this morning when I woke up to the news that the trailer was rated and imminent, I was completely ambivalent. But as the day has worn on, I'm starting to get more excited, though I'm nowhere even close to the excitement level I had last year or the year before for the past two trailers.

I guess I'm just still cautious about how this film is going to end up, so I'm neither dreading nor ecstatic for the trailer's release.

Also, I have another dilemma. If the trailer is excellent and on a level with the first one, I might get too excited and go into the film with too high of expectations, resulting in another disappointment. On the other hand, if the trailer is a disaster or underwhelming (like trailer 2), I may continue to be nonchalant and indifferent to the film, fearing the worst. I guess if I had to choose, I'd rather be blown away by the trailer just because I would like to be excited for the next two films, even if I end up disappointed again. Urg, so confusing Crazy

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel




Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Jun 6 2013, 8:47pm


Views: 666
I suppose hope

as a result of a brilliant trailer, even if the film ends up a disappointment, is worth something. I love the first auj trailer, but the second was the first warning that things would fall apart...


I wonder if we will have any singing this time around? I doubt it, might turn into a dwarf cliche Wink

Vous commencez à m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jun 6 2013, 8:52pm


Views: 663
Agreed

Though I personally think that the announcement of a third film was when things started to go downhill. After that, it seemed that every other piece of news concerned me.

I think this trailer has the potential to warn of similar problems with DOS.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel




Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Jun 6 2013, 9:12pm


Views: 652
A decision to split into a trilogy

in theory could be either a blessed decision or a mistake. Many took the good decision route such as myself...looking back on things, i have really changed my mind.

But i am curious to know is how is jackson planning on creating the narrative for the next two films...What are the themes and the begginings and ends of the different stories...why the change to three films...We might know some of this if we can see , from the incoming trailer, some scenes from the ending of the Dos...

Vous commencez à m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


The Mitch King
Rohan


Jun 6 2013, 9:23pm


Views: 676
This suggests otherwise...

I hope this person is right

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=81047


ShireHorse
Rohan

Jun 6 2013, 9:29pm


Views: 626
I hope you'll be more sensible this time around, Lusitano,

in your approach to the trailer. I'm not surprised that you were so disappointed by the film. Me, I adopted the sensible approach and thoroughly enjoyed the film. You managed to destroy it for yourself. Your fault, not PJ's.

BTW, every time I see your avatar, I wonder for a second why you have chosen RA as Thorin, LOL!


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Jun 6 2013, 9:31pm


Views: 641
Humm

"Now, Emileeid has confirmed that the trailer will indeed be attached to Man Of Steel. Additionally, it will premiere online June 12th 10 AM PDT. Despite recent classifications stating that the trailer will be just over two minutes in length, Emileeid says that it will be a full 2:30 theatrical trailer."

Good news then.

Vous commencez à m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Jun 6 2013, 9:45pm


Views: 608
Not funny

Thats not RA, its Jesus, played by another actor, whose names escapes me... :p

My days of drooling over RA's photos are over :p

As to my approach : i agree i shall have to keep a low profile and low expectations even if its good. Better to dont hope too much ...its peter jackson after all, not David Lean.

However, how on earth is it my fault that the movie sucks? lol Jackson made the film, its his fault if ii find it a poor film. People dont have to lower their standards for things they believe should be treated with great talent, artistry and care.

Sensible for me, in terms of what to expect from an adaptation of TH, is to expcet a good and faithfull translation of the novel to the big screen.

Since i am not getting that, at this point, the best i can hope for is ...something with the least amount of collateral damage. Tongue

This reminds me...we havent heard anything concerning the soundtrack used in this trailer...which we got for the most recent trailer...

Vous commencez à m'ennuyer avec le port!!!

(This post was edited by Lusitano on Jun 6 2013, 9:46pm)


shadowdog
Rohan

Jun 6 2013, 9:52pm


Views: 588
Link says

Page not found. Crazy


ShireHorse
Rohan

Jun 6 2013, 10:18pm


Views: 590
Goodness!

You used to drool over RA photographs!!! Biggest surprise of the day, LOL!

I'd like to address the way you express things. You should say, "This movie sucks, IN MY OPINION." Otherwise you make your opinion into a universally accepted statement and we know from the way in which MOST members of the viewing public (and I have excluded you here, Lusitano) have received the film that your opinion doesn't coincide with what they think.

In MY honest opinion, this movie is a long way from sucking. In fact, IMHO, it's a very well-made, very enjoyable film and the best one I saw last year (and I saw all the ones that everyone else was excited about seeing).


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Jun 6 2013, 10:47pm


Views: 568
Fine

but i think its logical to assume my statements stem from my own opinion. Unless i provide facts, or numbers.

Hum , i dont know what those other films were about...but for me, being a film buff, and knowing how fantastic the moving image can be, TH, post trolls is little more than an uninspired average popcorn movie. That simply doesnt have anything, from a cinematic standpoint, that interests me.

Well, allow me to correct my statement...not RAs pictures, Thorins photos Tongue

Yes i was satisfied and looked forward to Thorin so i drooled over a little slideshow i made of some dwarf images focusing on him with the misty mountains song as the soundtrack...Blush

Vous commencez à m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


ShireHorse
Rohan

Jun 6 2013, 11:00pm


Views: 573
Oh, Lusitano!

The things that we find out about some of our members! A slide-show, hey? No wonder you used the red-cheeked/embarrassed icon! Laugh

I feel so sad for you because you had such high hopes and obviously threw yourself into things and then, for some reason, your hopes were dashed. However, since your expectations are a lot lower this time, you might get a surprising amount of enjoyment out of film 2.


Ziggy Stardust
Gondor


Jun 7 2013, 1:37am


Views: 517
Yes!

Looking forward to it! Smile


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jun 7 2013, 3:02am


Views: 487
I was skeptical

And while I didn't enjoy AUJ, I'm still hopeful that DOS and TABA can still be wonderful films.

Truthfully, I don't want to know where the split will come between the next two films, so I hope we don't see anything that will give that away.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel




DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 7 2013, 6:55am


Views: 441
Just remove the erroneous square bracket at the end

Link.

At the time of posting, DOS is the first trailer listed.

Smile


(This post was edited by DanielLB on Jun 7 2013, 6:55am)


BoromirOfWinterfell
Rohan


Jun 7 2013, 11:32am


Views: 432
This is beautiful...

My eyes are flooding with tears.

Hmm...now I understand what everyone meant by "you're taking this hobbit thing too far".
I don't really care. Smile

"Eala Earendel engla beorhtast
ofer middangeard monnum sended."

"You think you world is safe? It is an illusion. A comforting lie told to protect you. Enjoy these final moments of peace, for I have returned to have my vengeance. So, shall we begin? " - John Harrison/Khan/Sherlock/Smaug (Star Trek: Into Darkness)


painjoiker
Grey Havens


Jun 7 2013, 1:19pm


Views: 387
They have lots of stuff from AUJ to use,


In Reply To
This reminds me...we havent heard anything concerning the soundtrack used in this trailer...which we got for the most recent trailer...

Even some that wasn't in the movie Smile

Vocalist in the progressive metal band Renamed.


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Jun 7 2013, 4:58pm


Views: 360
Shirehorse

Please dont embarrass me anymore...BlushTongue

My secret is out, my reputation is at stake. Wink

It is a bloody shame...after seeing AUJ for the firts time..i flet this void, this emptiness...i threw myself into it, i dedicated a part of my time and life to the film, and then to have your dream and hope shattered ..its not very comforting.

Hopefully, you could be right. I hope that happens an di enjoy the next films.I think the trailer will tip the balance either way, expectations wise...

Painjoker : indeed, i wish we could hear something new though...some new composition or a preliminary efforst by Shore..

Vous commencez à m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


jtarkey
Rohan


Jun 7 2013, 6:02pm


Views: 320
It was the feeling of being bored that suprised me most while watching AUJ for the first time

I really couldn't believe it. Looking back, I can't believe how excited I was for every trailer, poster, vlog, etc..

Like a lot of people, I gave PJ the benefit of the doubt before seeing the film. I kind of feel stupid for doing that now. It seems like they've really dug themselves a hole with all these new plot points and characters they are creating. It's like a domino effect that could possibly make the next two films even more convoluted than AUJ.

I will undoubtedly watch the trailer next week, but my expectations are so low that I really can't be disappointed this time around. I guess that's a good thing, but I would have rather been blown away by AUJ so that I could still be giddy with excitement for DOS.

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Jun 7 2013, 7:44pm


Views: 284
Quite right

i feel the same, which...is so surprising...Boredom in Middle Earth! How the mighty have fallen lol.

I dont feel stupid, i think i should have been more conscious of jacksons filmmaking skills and why they worked for the most part in fellowship of the ring, which i think it is an extraordinary cinematic achievement, even if its not entirely the best adaptation possible...and why they began to turn bloated, as if he goes on steroids and just infuses it with cheesy dialogue, invented stuff, over the top action scenes and set pieces etc...

Me too i feel as if i cant be more disappointed...which, in a weird way, could turn out to be a good thing. But...Azog and Tauril and Aragorn Junior lurk at the corner waiting to assault me with their cheesyness lol

Who knows, perhaps with a full year to work on it this time around, and having the first cut ready in january...jackson can create a more balanced film.

Just a fools hope. Wink

Vous commencez à m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


imin
Valinor


Jun 7 2013, 10:11pm


Views: 255
I feel somewhat similar

Though perhaps not to the same degree of utter disappointment - i think the film is alright but no better.

I have some expectation of DoS - to me it has some of the best parts of the story in it so it's hard to see how they could mess it up, plus i really like the look of Beorn's Hall, Laketown, Dale, Erebor and look forward to seeing more of them and the beautiful NZ scenery which is the real star of these movies!

I don't have much faith in the pacing, dialogue or some of the characters and my expectations compared to last year are much lower.

On a scale of 1-10 on how excited i am for a new trailer - bout a 4/10.

I just really hope DoS is awesome so AUJ can be like a bad dream!

And Iluvatar spoke to Ulmo, and said: 'Seest thou not how here in this little realm in the Deeps of Time Melkor hath made war upon thy province? He hath bethought him of bitter cold immoderate, and yet hath not destroyed the beauty of thy fountains, nor of my clear pools. Behold the snow, and the cunning work of frost! Melkor hath devised heats and fire without restraint, and hath not dried up thy desire nor utterly quelled the music of the sea. Behold rather the height and glory of the clouds, and the everchanging mists; and listen to the fall of rain upon the Earth! And in these clouds thou art drawn nearer to Manwe, thy friend, whom thou lovest.


Glorfindela
Valinor


Jun 7 2013, 11:02pm


Views: 236
I think this is so true

I completely ignored the film until it was actually out (didn't even see any trailers), because I had very low expectations for it. I thought it would be a cartoony children's film, like the book, and therefore didn't have much interest in it. I also purposely avoided rereading the book before I saw the film – I remember rereading the LOTR trilogy just before I saw FOTR, and being baffled by the differences between the book and film. I didn't really like it much until I saw it the second time.

It could be that some people had very high expectations before they went to see AUJ. They perhaps envisaged something quite different from what we got, and ended up disappointed. For my part, I am very happy with most of the film – I particularly like the casting and acting of the main characters, as well as the visuals and music.

Possibly, if one were to whip oneself up into a negative state before the next film, one might be pleasantly surprised…


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I feel so sad for you because you had such high hopes and obviously threw yourself into things and then, for some reason, your hopes were dashed. However, since your expectations are a lot lower this time, you might get a surprising amount of enjoyment out of film 2.



Estel78
Tol Eressea

Jun 8 2013, 7:48am


Views: 209
They need to make the movie look cool this time around (unlike AUJ).

But they are already making mistakes *cough* Tauriel cosplay *cough*.


Elessar
Valinor


Jun 8 2013, 5:14pm


Views: 254
I agree

I will say I'm very excited about DoS. As excited as I was going into AUJ and I'm sure ill be more so when I see the trailer next week. Me and my friends who will be at Comic-Con are planned out on sleeping outside to see the panel (when its announced). I have every trailer and I think every tv spot saved to my 1 terabyte HD. I will be doing the same thing with this movie. My expectations were high with AUJ and they met in spades for the most part. I gave the film a 9/10 and I expect DoS to come in the same if not better.



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ShireHorse
Rohan

Jun 8 2013, 6:24pm


Views: 233
To all the Gloomies (you know who you are, LOL!)

I know you have to work overtime in your efforts to convince us that AUJ was a rubbish film because there is so much evidence out there to prove you wrong. Eg: the 2000+ reviews on this forum that award it 4.5/5 Rings and Amazon.co.uk where there are ten times as many reviewers giving it 5 stars as opposed to 1 star.

I understand that you are genuinely upset even if I don't understand your reasons and that you are feeling apprehensive over the new trailer and some of the info like that about Tauriel which has begun to leak out.

Here's what you do:

Unlike Glorfindela, but like so many here, I DID see all the trailers and vlogs and followed every new development very closely and with great excitement - and yet I still found the film wonderful and was not disappointed because of overload.

First, I appreciated the things that were truly worth appreciating, like all the wonderful acting and the beautiful cinematography. Then I was very grateful for all the gestures to the fans such as the time spent in Bag End, the White Council and the two songs that we were offered, even though PJ must have realised that the average movie-goer might have been critical and moaned on about how slow these scenes were. He defied his critics for our sake. Then, from the vlogs, I learned about the painful care with which these films were made, not only in the costumes and weaponry dept, but also on location when they went to great lengths to protect the environment whilst at the same time bringing us wonderful scenes of natural beauty. I went into the film feeling positive because I knew what PJ and his actors and his crew had gone through to bring us this story.

Once the film started, I must admit to not liking it all. BUT, the things I didn't like, such as the jokes and Radagast, seemed to be going down very well in the rest of the theatre. And so, I would urge you, dear friends, not to watch it with selfish expectations but to think that perhaps the things you hate are bringing a lot of pleasure to others and be really pleased for THEM. Why should PJ just take YOUR needs into consideration?

Which brings me to a final point: when I knew after LotR that PJ was going to make TH, my heart sank because I knew just how difficult it would prove to be. It may be a children's book, but it is not simple or easy to stage - its tone goes up and down like a yo-yo, most of the characters are 2D and the story arc is weirdly written. On top of this, after the superior source material of LotR, I knew that there would be huge numbers of people coming with very high expectations for a similar epic. No director who made this film would be able to please everyone and PJ has done as well if not better than anyone else I can think of.

Don't go to see DoS either with high expectations or low expectations but with sensible expectations and with an appreciation of all that PJ has done to get this film to the screen.


bungobaggins
Lorien


Jun 8 2013, 6:42pm


Views: 221
What about us "gloomies" that

were extremely disappointed with how the source material was treated?

The acting, cinematography, landscapes, art design, and fan service doesn't do anything for me if I can barely recognize the story at points. If themes of the book become muddled, and who is supposed to be the main character is shoved to the side more often than not, I don't see how I can enjoy the next two films.

This story could have been done in one or two films. They've had to add too much to make it three, to the point where I'm afraid Bilbo will be overshadowed, especially after dramatically altering his character arc.

Yeah, so that's why I'm gloomy. Production value is important, but it doesn't compensate for a mediocre script in my opinion.

Also, I'd take Amazon reviews with a grain of salt. I'm sure a lot of them can be chalked up to rabid fanboy-ism (Look at the reviews for Breaking Dawn Part 2 on amazon.com: 2,276 reviews and 4.5 stars). Wink

"You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - Gandalf

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Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Jun 8 2013, 7:00pm


Views: 209
As for me i am not trying to convince anyone.

This forum is known for being positively biased towards jackson so mentioning that this forums reviews are a proof of our delussion, doenst quite does it for me. I can just as easily mention other reviews, by other people who didnt like it. Many of whom, felt that Lotr was magical.

Its more subjective than facts, right or wrong.

So, we are not wrong.

For many of us, gloomies lol, the film is a disappointment or an okish film at best, for many reasons, none of which have anything to do with a lack of predisposition to optimism or to be positive and to appreciate other peoples efforts..

Also, jackson isnt taking my needs into consideration, he smaking HIS film. The ME part, is my personal experience of the film and that is what ultimately matters to each and everyone of us.. It brings a smile to my face if little kids enjoy the film, but im a fan as well, i have NEEDS! Tongue

Plus, i think you might be making Jackson into a little bit too much of a saint in your last paragraph there. I appreciate the effort, and i liked his personality a lot, more in the past than these days, but what matters is the art he produces.


But i agree that us gloomies Tongue, would be cautious to keep expectations low.

Lets see what Wednesday brings!

Vous commencez à m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 8 2013, 7:47pm


Views: 195
I don't see why


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This forum is known for being positively biased towards jackson so mentioning that this forums reviews are a proof of our delussion, doenst quite does it for me. I can just as easily mention other reviews, by other people who didnt like it. Many of whom, felt that Lotr was magical.


People who dislike the adaptations, especially The Hobbit, are far more active in their posting, than compared to those that do like the adaptations. Personally, from what I have experiences, I don't think the forum comes across as either overly positive or negative against the films. There's a happy medium.

Smile


ShireHorse
Rohan

Jun 8 2013, 7:48pm


Views: 202
Dear bungobaggins

I suppose you would also dismiss the views of the Ringers too with their 4.5 Rings. I would disagree with Lusitano that this forum is positively biased towards PJ. IMO, this is a forum for Tolkien fans which means that the hatred for him when he gets it "wrong" is likely to be more powerful here than anywhere else on the net.

The story could definitely not have been told properly in one film because so much happens in this slim volume that is so briefly described and needs to be expanded. I didn't feel any bloat and relished the leisurely descriptions and story-telling that we were presented with. If it had all been forced into one film or even two, we would have hordes of people on here complaining about that too: PJ can't win.

As for the source material, apart from messing around with the Azog story-line whose arc may still yet prove to be a good one, the film is amazingly close to its source material with whole lines lifted straight from the book, with the joke about golf still retained and the Trolls, for instance, talking in the appropriate Cockney accents. And most people seem very pleased that the main story has been interspersed with extra stuff about the dwarves from elsewhere plus details of the White Council etc.

And I don't know what you mean about Bilbo not being centre stage: he has the most dialogue - we know he has three times as much as Thorin. Moreover, there are so many characters that the story has got to be seen as an ensemble piece with the main thrust, in a story told by and observed by Bilbo, being Thorin's quest. We see what Bilbo sees and his observations are not necessarily about himself.

Even G del T said that the story revolved around the relationship between Bilbo and Thorin. It's important that we see these two as much as possible so that when their complicated relationship explodes, it will be a really important moment for all of us.

Yes, I'm sorry if you are disappointed and there are a number of people on here who agree with you. What I would dispute is the apparent assertion that the ones who didn't like the film are in the majority and that they are right because this is obviously not true.


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Jun 8 2013, 8:14pm


Views: 190
I think these are far more

on the positive cheering side. It may well be that many who are more interested in a positive feel, dont post as much.

Others have said it other than myself.

Its part of the feel or vibe of many forums. Some are more predisposed to this side others to that side. Which is fine, by the way. Its just the way the internet works.


There may be a medium, but is it a happy one?Wink


ShireHorse : "I would disagree with Lusitano that this forum is positively biased towards PJ. IMO, this is a forum for Tolkien fans which means that the hatred for him when he gets it "wrong" is likely to be more powerful here than anywhere else on the net"

Yes it is a site for all tolkien fans , but in practice, it is far more on the positive, supporter side of jackson than other forums. I can send you the links to some which are far more critic and harsh to jackson.

Vous commencez à m'ennuyer avec le port!!!

(This post was edited by Lusitano on Jun 8 2013, 8:22pm)


bungobaggins
Lorien


Jun 8 2013, 8:26pm


Views: 181
RE: ShireHorse

I'm not dismissing all people who gave this film positive reviews. If you enjoyed it, that's great! It means that your money was well spent. However, I would dismiss people who are so vehement in their defense of this film that they see no problems with it whatsoever. I don't hate Jackson, however, I do feel that he has been disingenuous in regards to the script-writing teams use of appendix material. Jackson has defended turning this story into three films because of the 125 pages of appendices in ROTK, but he failed to mention that very little of it is usable for these films (and what they picked out they have altered drastically).

You're right. For Jackson this is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. But if the source material doesn't adapt well to film, and needs to be altered drastically to do so, then why make a film at all? Pressure from movie studios? Pressure from fans? PJ could have left Middle-Earth on a high note with 3 billion worldwide box office and 11 oscars. I enjoyed the LOTR trilogy, despite the changes.

Lifting dialogue directly from the book, and using chapter titles as dialogue doesn't do anything for me (in some ways it comes across as cheap) if I feel the source material isn't treated well.

It's Thorin's quest, but it's Bilbo's story. "This is a story of how a Baggins had an adventure, and found himself doing and saying things altogether unexpected." Throughout the film I felt Bilbo's importance slowly sinking below Thorin's beef with just about everybody (every elf in existence, and Kratos the pale orc).

Don't be sorry that I was disappointed, and I am not asserting that any group is in the majority, as I have no way to calculate that data. Also, I will say that there is no "right" or "wrong" in this, there are only opinions. You have yours, I have mine, and it is clear we don't see eye to eye.

Good day! Smile

"You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - Gandalf


ShireHorse
Rohan

Jun 8 2013, 9:14pm


Views: 170
Yes, I did wonder if he should have left TH alone

at the time a film was announced because the source material is a step down from the LotR and I thought it might prove a retrograde step.

But, it has made a lot of people happy and it would be selfish to deny PJ the chance of making the film or deny so many people the pleasure of seeing it just because you didn't want it made.

And, although I am pleased with the film, I am not a blind PJ fan. I could give you a list here of all its flaws but I could do the same for every film I've ever seen. My particular betes noirs here were Radagast, the jokes about mushrooms, the length of the White Council and the the crass humour on a couple of occasions elsewhere.

And, yes, Thorin is a hunk because he is your standard hero (as opposed to Bilbo, the non-standard hero). But he's a lot more than that. RA is as big a nerd as any of us and has put a lot of effort into his portrayal. Because of the hatred of him on this forum before the film (his youth, his short beard, his good looks and the fact that he wasn't Brian Cox or Ian McShane), this actor really came from behind in the popularity stakes but I'm pleased to report that most people seem more than pleased with the more developed idea of Thorin he has given us and he scores 4.86 on the Ringer Reviews, fractionally behind MF and AS but slightly ahead of Sir Ian. I hope you'll see why it is important to develop his character along with Bilbo's when we get to the end of the film and the big payoff. You really just can't develop Bilbo in isolation but only as he plays off other people.

Hope you enjoy the DoS a lot more.


flameofudun
Lorien

Jun 9 2013, 3:55am


Views: 132
you may be on to something

especially now because numerous sites are stating june 12th (which is wednesday)

''We are very dangerous over short distances''

-Gimli


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Jun 9 2013, 6:37am


Views: 132
I am no gloomy Shirehorse. I loved 2/3rds of the movie. . . but there were parts that really bothered me badly.

I thought it was an excellent movie, by and large, a truly enchanting and great film, HOWEVER. . . the problem for me was in the places where it badly misrepresented the history and the characters.


That is a big deal to me, because I really am bothered by the fact that there are millions of people who will never read the books, who may get a very wrong impression about important details and factors. The history of the dwarves was re-written to the point that a viewer will come away with a far inferior understanding of that people, not to mention a far less magnificent and powerful story. I still hold out hope that the matter of the Balrog, the true terror of Moria and the exiler of its original Dwarven inhabitants, as well as the true reason the Dwarves did not re-enter, is a matter that will be squared due to his prominence in Fellowship and in Dwarven history. But, regarding the true, grippingly dramatic and epic history of the war of the Dwarves and orcs, the partiarchy and vengeance that feuled it and the consequences, there is no fixing the damage now. The changes to the history of Angmar, and the dynamic of status between Elves and Wizards is another thing that very much concerns me and annoys me.

I did not find AUnexpected to be a let down, on the whole. I thought in many places it was very true to the source, and very enchanting, and some of the minor additions were very good ones. However, I was deeply bothered by some other changes and additions, and I am fearful that Desolation will have more of the same. I fully expect to enjoy the movie, but how much will depend in no small part about whether it sees the films doing more to directly contradict the source, or less.

To be clear, I enjoyed the bunny sled even if I found the orc chase to be surperflous bloat. Take away the rolling eyes and bird dung and I also enjoyed Radagast. I enjoyed seeing The White Council, even if I did not enjoy nonsense about the Men of THe North burying The RingWraiths, and though I rather disliked seeing Gandalf portrayed in away that would allow an uninformed viewer to believe him to be a subordinate of Galadriel ( not because of gender, I am perfectly happy with Lindir, Celeborn and Thranduil being plainly less in stature, power and wisdom with Galadriel because they SHOULD be portrayed thus) but because of other fundemental aspects of who and WHAT they are respectively. I do not have a problem with changes and additions on general principle. I only object vehemently to them when they significantly contradict important details of the legendarium. Frodo killing several orcs for effect despite not killing any in the book would not bother me at all if it were well handled. Frodo defeating a Ringwraith or even worse yet a Balrog might well send me into a apoplectic state.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Jun 9 2013, 6:46am


Views: 137
Absolute Gospel. This is where I agree with you most. There is an extent to which the appendices are falsely

being held up as a shield against all criticism, but it is a tactic which only works with the uninformed. The appendices based material was the biggest source of grievance for me in these films. . . not because it added too much and detracted from the core story, as I was actually in favour of a partially expanded telling that would tie this movie to Rings through the key connections of Gandalf, The Council, Sauron and Moria. . . The problem is that the film goes far beyond filling in blanks left by the Appendices, and charges into the realm of blatantly defying them like a bull smashing its way through a china shop. The Hobbit parts of the movie are pretty damned wonderful. The other parts look wonderful but start to sound like lies, because they make so many alterations. And what is perhaps most frustrating is that they are NOT requisite. Yet that argument is known, and I won't go into it any further here unless you request details.

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I'm not dismissing all people who gave this film positive reviews. If you enjoyed it, that's great! It means that your money was well spent. However, I would dismiss people who are so vehement in their defense of this film that they see no problems with it whatsoever. I don't hate Jackson, however, I do feel that he has been disingenuous in regards to the script-writing teams use of appendix material. Jackson has defended turning this story into three films because of the 125 pages of appendices in ROTK, but he failed to mention that very little of it is usable for these films (and what they picked out they have altered drastically).

You're right. For Jackson this is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. But if the source material doesn't adapt well to film, and needs to be altered drastically to do so, then why make a film at all? Pressure from movie studios? Pressure from fans? PJ could have left Middle-Earth on a high note with 3 billion worldwide box office and 11 oscars. I enjoyed the LOTR trilogy, despite the changes.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


ShireHorse
Rohan

Jun 9 2013, 2:10pm


Views: 115
No, I don't think you're one of the Gloomies, AO, because you like so much of the film.

Millions of people may not read TH and so will never know "the truth", but millions of people will because of the film and will doubtless just be intrigued by the differences and ponder why the director didn't keep more strictly to the original text in some instances - which is what I do.

To give an example: I think that the original story of Azog, Thror and the dwarf/goblin wars is very powerful and very moving and I wish we could have a whole film just about the dwarves - but I can't see it ever happening. When it became obvious that we were going to get the Battle of Azanulbizar (which gave me quite a thrill) I reread the Appendices and tried to think how I would do it if I were a film director. And, basically, PJ has done what I would have done: significantly "tidied up" the story. He still has Azog, Thror being decapitated and Thorin doing his oakenshield stuff but he has omitted Frerin and Dain and done all sorts of other things so as to let it make sense for the film-goer.

I feel sad that we have lost the details but I fully appreciate why PJ has done this. And I thoroughly enjoyed watching these moments because, for me, they worked within the context of the film. And since there are already a ton of reviewers out there complaining about the "unnecessary" details to do with dwarven history, I would like to thank PJ for giving us what he has. I don't think he could have given us more without pulling down the wrath of the "why isn't Bilbo central to the plot?" complainers even more upon his head.

Over on the locked thread which I have only just read, this has been brought up: we should try to experience the book and the film as separate entities. I love the book and I really like the film. I am so pleased when the medium of the film allows for various close references to the book, but I thought that readers of various books often appreciated why a film might have to do things in a different way. I think that the fun of a discussion often lies in trying to work out just why a director might have decided to go down a certain path: perhaps he's just not doing it simply for the hell of it or to provoke the lovers of the book - perhaps he has a solid reason.

Anyway, I shan't say any more - don't want to provoke another punch-up and get this thread locked too!