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jimmyfenn
Rohan


May 28 2013, 9:15pm


Views: 1854
no viggo

straight from the horses mouth

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...-mortensen-interview

definitive or just deceiving us ? ;)

"You Tolkien to me?!" - Hobbit de Niro


jtarkey
Rohan


May 28 2013, 9:22pm


Views: 975
That's a good thing

It almost sounds as if Viggo isn't really impressed with all the visual hullabaloo. It also seems like he doubts The Hobbit can be stretched into 3 films...you'd really think he'd have the time to see it since it came out.

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"


DanielLB
Immortal


May 28 2013, 9:23pm


Views: 961
Hmmm ... conflicting information

Not about not appearing in the films, but whether he has seen the film or not!

From this interview:


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Has he seen the new movie yet? No. "I'm interested in seeing that world again, and seeing what Peter Jackson's done, how he's made use of the improvements in special effects and cameras and the different way of shooting, which will probably enhance the visual aspect of the experience, the sound also."


From this interview in March:

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Yeah, I did. I went on opening day to see it. I was actually in Argentina, and I went with a bunch of kids and their parents. It was kind of a party atmosphere, it was fun, it was in 3-D, and they had popcorn. I enjoyed it. In particular it was nice to see some of the landscapes I remembered. It was a nice trip down memory lane, where wed shot near some of the places where Id gone camping or fishing.


I'm confused. Is he hiding something and accidentally told a fib (either in this interview, or the earlier one)? ShockedWink Conspiracy time!


Macfeast
Rohan


May 28 2013, 9:24pm


Views: 942
The article was published today...

...but how old could this interview be? It mentions that Viggo had yet to see AUJ, but I recall other interviews where he mentioned that he had seen it. I'm thinking this interview might be a little dated.

EDIT: Either that, or what DanielLB said.


(This post was edited by Macfeast on May 28 2013, 9:32pm)


DanielLB
Immortal


May 28 2013, 9:33pm


Views: 905
Three options:

1) The Guardian interviewed Viggo before the film was released, and since then have subsequently fabricated the fact he hasn't seen the film (since he hadn't at the time of being interviewed). Mistake on their half, perhaps forgetting the fact the film hadn't been released when they interviewed him.

2) As I read it, I don't think they asked him at all whether he has seen the film or not (and could have interviewed him yesterday or 6 months ago). Since no isn't in quotation marks, I'm guessing they've simply got no from the quote they have provided. In this case, bad journalism.

3) Viggo told a fib to one of these interviewers. Least likely, I think.


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


May 28 2013, 9:34pm


Views: 907
From the article:


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If his mission has been to shed the sword-wielding Aragorn image, he has succeeded; yet he's at peace with the fame the role brought him, acknowledging that he has The Lord of the Rings to thank for the opportunities that have since come his way. In Peter Jackson's Hobbit film, several of the Rings cast reprised their roles. Was he asked to take part? "No. Before they started shooting, back in 2008, one of the producers did ask if I would be interested. I said, 'You do know, don't you, that Aragorn isn't in The Hobbit? That there is a 60-year gap between the books?'"



Mortensen continues:

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Has he seen the new movie yet? No. "I'm interested in seeing that world again, and seeing what Peter Jackson's done, how he's made use of the improvements in special effects and cameras and the different way of shooting, which will probably enhance the visual aspect of the experience, the sound also. And I'm interested in seeing how he's managed to make three movies out of a relatively slim volume Jackson is a clever person I'm sure he'll have done something really interesting with it." Working in New Zealand from 1999-2003 remains an important professional and personal experience. "I've gone back occasionally to visit friends both animal and human. It's a beautiful country."



So he does acknowledge recently visiting NZ and possibly visiting the sets of the new films. If Aragorn is in the new film-series at all (which I tend to doubt at this point) then he is definitely played by a younger actor (whether a child actor for 10 year-old Estel or an actor in his early to mid-twenties in deference to the differences between books and films).

This interview might well have preceded the one published earlier, before he spoke of having seen AUJ.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring

(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on May 28 2013, 9:37pm)


dormouse
Half-elven


May 28 2013, 9:36pm


Views: 890
I agree that it's better not to have Aragorn....

... in the Hobbit, much as I liked him in the previous films.

But how do you get the idea that he doubts that the Hobbit will make three films? This is what he says....


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And I'm interested in seeing how he's managed to make three movies out of a relatively slim volume … Jackson is a clever person – I'm sure he'll have done something really interesting with it.


I don't hear any doubt in that at all. 'Jackson is a clever person - I'm sure....' So he's sure it has been done well and is intrigued to see how. Sounds more like faith than doubt to me.

As for whether he's seen it or not, As DanielLB has come up with an interview in which he says he has seen it, I reckon this must be an old interview.


DanielLB
Immortal


May 28 2013, 9:40pm


Views: 868
Problem is ...


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This interview might well have preceded the one published earlier, before he spoke of having seen AUJ


Viggo said he saw AUJ on opening day in Argentina (on the same day as the UK, and most of the world). Why would an interviewer ask if he had seen the film, before it is released? It makes him sound like he's not really interested.

I agree, and think it's an old interview. But I think they've made up the "no".

Who's on twitter? Let's ask the journalist! Wink (Though just for the record, I'm not encouraging anyone calling the journalist a liar.) Crazy


(This post was edited by DanielLB on May 28 2013, 9:48pm)


Loresilme
Valinor


May 28 2013, 10:02pm


Views: 837
"In this very room"

from the transcript:

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Does he see a time when he might stop acting? He smiles as we chat. "In 2008, in this very room, I said to a journalist who asked if I had plans to do another movie, 'No, not at the moment. I need a break.' By which I meant a month or two. He then wrote, 'Viggo Mortensen has quit.' And I spent the next two years denying that I'd quit acting, or explaining why I had returned when I'd quit."
********************

He doesn't seem to have much luck with statements he's made in this very room :). As DanielLB mentioned, he's since stated in interviews that he has seen the film. So this interview must have taken place a while ago.

I'm of two minds regarding his appearance in The Hobbit trilogy. On the one hand, I'd like to see him in a cameo as Aragorn. On the other hand, his character's introduction in FOTR (the stranger in the corner, the eyes over the pipe) is such a classic. I love that bit of mystery in FOTR about who he is and whether the Hobbits should trust him.


Lissuin
Valinor


May 28 2013, 10:48pm


Views: 818
It must be an old interview according to this:

In the interview he says he's shooting "Two Faces of January" and a link goes to this:

http://www.screendaily.com/...ting/5045953.article at Screen Daily

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The Two Faces of January starts shooting
31 August, 2012 | By Melanie Goodfellow

Viggo Mortensen and Kirsten Dunst co-star in adaptation of Patricia Highsmith thriller, produced by Working Title and financed by StudioCanal.


Then IMBd says about Two Faces
http://www.screendaily.com/...ting/5045953.article
in production notes updated 5 Dec. 2012 that the film is in post-production.

This "new" interview doesn't add up.


(This post was edited by Lissuin on May 28 2013, 10:50pm)


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


May 28 2013, 11:42pm


Views: 769
To repeat Balin, "Probably for the best, after all"

Aragorn should only be ten. I am going to ignore the fact that the extended films leave a slight age continuity error. Not encountering him will quiet the issue.

In Reply To
straight from the horses mouth

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...-mortensen-interview

definitive or just deceiving us ? ;)


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Ziggy Stardust
Gondor


May 29 2013, 12:31am


Views: 679
Too true

As much as I loved him as Aragorn in LOTR, in TH, he would be like 10, and would be pushing the continuity errors. But even though Viggo won't be in The Hobbit, I haven't forgotten about him. Smile


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


May 29 2013, 12:42am


Views: 706
but also

Viggo didn't have a phone for the longest time. He'd call his agent by payphone. Don't know if this is true now, but I remember reading interviews with him at the time mentioning this...

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Lusitano
Tol Eressea


May 29 2013, 1:03am


Views: 659
If so...

then those rumours we hear were incorrect, unexpectedly.

As to his comments on the film...i get the feeling he wasnt particularly impressed with it, when all he mentions are the landscapes ...


His career really took off after Aragorn, ive seen all his posterior filmwork and ive been very impressed with his performances.

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FrogmortonJustice65
Lorien


May 29 2013, 1:13am


Views: 644
perhaps...

Viggo is referring to not having seen DOS? I thought I saw a pic of him at the Argentina premier somewhere...

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Slim
Rivendell


May 29 2013, 5:01am


Views: 569
I agree it's probably an old interview

My guess is that they probably interviewed him around the release of his 'Everybody Has a Plan' in Argentina -- which was in August 2012, so it's entirely possible that he had not seen AUJ then.

(And they are only publishing this interview now because the film is about to be released in the UK)

Right? :)


Cirashala
Valinor


May 29 2013, 5:04am


Views: 586
makes sense

Given the area, there is lousy cell reception at best, and depending on where his agent is located, for a landline it could be a costly long distance call. Also, he lives way out of town on property from what I have heard, and it is very much possible there wasn't phone lines for landlines out there at the time. Yup, most of North Idaho is pretty remote. I would imagine it cuts down on the weird stalker stories and fan break ins and robberies though- unless the person isn't afraid of moose or bears or the like (and they would have to be absolutely insane if they didn't at least have a healthy respect for these animals-they are both very territorial and dangerous!)

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Slim
Rivendell


May 29 2013, 5:08am


Views: 589
Maybe not necessarily?

I think it's very possible that he hadn't seen it at the time of the interview, and it seems like he's quite positive about seeing it and seeing what PJ can do.


(This post was edited by Slim on May 29 2013, 5:08am)


DanielLB
Immortal


May 29 2013, 6:19am


Views: 567
But why would they ask him around August 2012 if he has seen the film ...

If the film hadn't been released yet? Wink Since he's not tied to the production directly, it seems nonsensical to ask whether he has seen a cut of the film. They can't then say he hasn't seen the film, because it's been 6 months since it was released (and he was interviewed). This is why interviews should be published straight after being done. Otherwise, the information quickly becomes out of date! Laugh


(This post was edited by DanielLB on May 29 2013, 6:20am)


DwellerInDale
Rohan


May 29 2013, 7:04am


Views: 613
Second Interview clarifies the timeline somewhat

In a similar interview, also done in London (this time for the Telegraph) (link below), the interviewer does mention that Viggo is currently shooting The Two Faces of January, which wrapped in December. The question in the Guardian interview could make sense if he or she assumed that Viggo may have seen a pre-release viewing of AUJ.

Telegraph Interview

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Slim
Rivendell


May 29 2013, 7:20am


Views: 520
That's a good point

Hmmm... maybe the stuff in quotation marks was something from another earlier unpublished interview. Like you said -- bad journalism Laugh

Look at the article's subtitle "...Viggo Mortensen doesn't just play twins in his new noirish thriller, he also took charge of the subtitles. The actor talks about challenging roles and why he turned The Hobbit down"

Why he turned the Hobbit down? Not exactly what he said...


Slim
Rivendell


May 29 2013, 7:21am


Views: 547
Ah, that makes sense!

Good internet detective work DwellerInDale!


Semper Fi
Rohan

May 29 2013, 10:46am


Views: 497
That` s not what he said

He said he was interested to see what Jackson does with technology and 3 movie split. He didn`t sound unimpressed or impressed since it was interview before he saw the movie so he couldn`t get emotional about it either way.


Valandil ed Imladris
Lorien


May 30 2013, 12:41am


Views: 375
Viggo simply knows

that he was in the superior, the REAL trilogy Tongue


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


May 30 2013, 1:56am


Views: 357
Indeed

 

Wink

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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


May 30 2013, 4:38pm


Views: 118
Viggo 'Turned Down' Role as Aragorn? Not so fast...

On the home page, we have a follow-up article.

At this point, almost anything is possible. iincluding a first meeting between Aragorn and Gandalf. Making Viggo look young enough would be the chief problem.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


jimmyfenn
Rohan


May 30 2013, 4:47pm


Views: 115
follow up

thats why i put, 'definitive or deceiving us?'

the quotes and the questions on the interview i linked too just dont add up. but its nice that torn wanted to do a follow up on my post ;)

"You Tolkien to me?!" - Hobbit de Niro


Marionette
Rohan


May 30 2013, 7:38pm


Views: 96
Honestly, thats better

Tongue


"Dear friend good bye, no tears in my eyes. So sad it ends, as it began"
Queen



DwellerInDale
Rohan


May 31 2013, 3:46am


Views: 89
Aragorn: putting the two age issues to rest

Viggo Mortensen may or may not be filming a cameo as Aragorn / Strider for TABA; if so, I think that there are no real problems with the two "age issues" that many people on the Forum have assumed. Here are my reasons:

1. But Aragorn was only 10-12 years old at the time of "The Hobbit": In the movie timeline, the 17 years between Bilbo's birthday party and Gandalf's return to the Shire were cut out, as they were completely unnecessary for the story. Note carefully: one cannot just assume that those 17 years passed "offscreen", because every character in Hobbiton (Merry, Pippin, Sam, Rosie Cotton, Fatty Bolger, Evan Proudfoot, etc..) looks exactly the same at Bilbo's party and the end of ROTK. Some members have grasped at straws by arguing that "the Ring kept Frodo from aging". True, but that does not explain everyone else appearing the same as well. In addition, in the EE of TTT, we hear Aragorn say that he is 87 years old. Thus in movie timeline it is consistent to have the character as being 26-27 years old at the time of The Hobbit.

2.They would have to do some digital de-aging of Viggo, as in Tron Legacy. Below I attach a photo montage of the two pictures that accompanied the Telegraph interview. One is of Mortensen in TTT, one was taken specially for the Telegraph about 6 months ago. IMO there would be no need for special digital computer de-aging effects; Mortensen still looks good enough that just the dark beard, hair, and normal makeup should suffice, especially if his appearance would be limited to a cameo of the cloaked and hooded Strider in Bree. Tolkien himself wrote that Aragorn became "grim" to look upon when he went out into the world, so it would also be natural for him to appear somewhat older than his age would suggest.

Viggo Montage

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Semper Fi
Rohan

May 31 2013, 11:08am


Views: 75
He looks his age (55)

That`s normal. Besides, fans should appreciate that he doesn`t have a big ego that would make him accept to play a character decades younger. Even in an unnecessary cameo.

Not all threads should be tied with LOTR in The Hobbit and I`m with everyone who said that his cameo would ruin Aragorn`s great into in FOTR.


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


May 31 2013, 7:08pm


Views: 53
I'm still inclined to think that Viggo won't appear...

On the other hand, it would not surprise me if Jackson found a way to give him at least a cameo.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring