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SMAUG THE MAGNIFICENT!



Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea


May 7 2013, 7:47pm


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SMAUG THE MAGNIFICENT!

A little bit loud hehehe well I was wondering about Smaugs size, in the book if Im not wrong Gandalf says that Smaug was a young worm when he entered Erebor, so in the prologue we see him in a very big size, my guess is that he will be bigger in DOS,

I can see him crossing the front gate and making a hole even bigger that the one he made when he entered the mountain


By the way I wanna say that the front gate when they refer in Bag End that is closed, I can see what they meant, it was closed because it want never an option to go that way since they know the dragon came out several times after the first attack(book)

DoS is gonna be ...wow

The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true!


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


May 7 2013, 8:15pm


Views: 2197
DoS is gonna be ...wow

 Random SW fans, circa 1998, said the same. Tongue

So yeah....SMAUG!

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Skaan
Lorien


May 7 2013, 8:23pm


Views: 4084
Here are some pictures

Here's a picture that gives an idea of his size in the prologue:
http://imageshack.us/f/818/sizecomparisonsmaugdwar.png/

And here's a picture of the Bilbo-in-gold pic from DoS, resized so the coins match the size of the coins in Smaug's end shot in AUJ. This should give you an idea of his size compared to Bilbo:
http://imageshack.us/f/268/58784685.png/

Seems like his size will make for an interesting conversation scene with BilboSmile


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea


May 7 2013, 8:25pm


Views: 2103
Come on Lusitano

Im changing my mind about the movies, I hope you get in this with me, by the way love your photo

The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true!


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea


May 7 2013, 8:28pm


Views: 2063
This is so epic

The first photo Im afraid that Smaug shot is taken from a larger distance than the second, but the photo of Bilbo resized is EPIC

The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true!


Glorfindela
Valinor


May 7 2013, 9:29pm


Views: 1951
It will be really difficult

for the characters to work well visually if there is such a difference in scale between them. I wonder how that will be handled? Smile

'The photo of Bilbo resized is EPIC'


TheSexyBeard
Lorien


May 7 2013, 10:33pm


Views: 1915
Thanks for the images

Great comparison there, Smaug truly is a big lad.

Wonder if they'll play the conversation from a sort of over Bilbo's shoulder shot, or have Bilbo in one of the lower corners and have Smaug take up most of the screen.

Yes, my username is terrible.


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


May 7 2013, 11:53pm


Views: 1855
150-foot wingspan (or so)?

My best guess: 150-foot wingspan and maybe as much as 200 feet long.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


May 8 2013, 1:56am


Views: 1830
they changed it in the films

there is no way he wasn't full grown at the beginning of AUJ, he was huge in that sequence, did you see him when he entered Erebor? I doubt Smaug will be any larger.


take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea


May 8 2013, 7:47am


Views: 1735
how do you know that?

I didnt read it anywere. Im not telling that is not true of course, but I dont know, its a very good chance to have a massive foe

When he enters the mountain his claws and hands are big, but I would imagined it even bigger, I dont know...

The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true!


Skaan
Lorien


May 8 2013, 11:42am


Views: 1701
I always imagined

During Bilbo's conversation with Smaug, i always imagined Smaug to be sitting on his pile of gold like this: http://whatcouldisay.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/high_res_4x_aa_glint.jpg

With only his neck and head raised, and the rest of his body resting on the gold. Ofcourse, this would be when Smaug is still in his curious state (when he's still trying to figure out who he's talking to, and trying to solve the riddles). And as soon as he's getting angry/irritated, he would start getting on all fours and start moving around a bit, searching for Bilbo, only to finally go crazy when Bilbo mentions revenge.

I really feel that, if they get this scene right, it could become the highlight of the whole trilogy (and perhaps even from both trilogies)


MaeBeth
Bree


May 8 2013, 4:30pm


Views: 1654
I hope, for Bilbos' sake

...That he doesn't get any bigger!Laugh
Y'know, I always pictured him red, but what little we saw in AUJ had a bit of blue. Evil or no, I bet the colors will be gorgeous! Also, I wonder how he's staying warm? He's somewhat of a lizard, yes? Is it cause he's (sort of) underground?Shocked

For you & I, there's a new land (Angels that fly)
Sanctuary, my sanctuary yeah
Where fears & lies melt away (Musical tide)
What's left of me, what's left of me now


Bombadil
Half-elven


May 8 2013, 7:15pm


Views: 1630
FIVE " thRINGs"... about MISTER Magnificent?

1. Someone here thought that maybe his Coloring
changes like a Chameleon? based on his Mood..

a. Red, when angry..
b. Golden, when he Feels he is smarter than Bilbo...
c. Sorta Blue, while Sleeping..(like Hibernating?)

2. The Size of his Tail must be close to
the Size of the rest of HIM?

3. The Booming echoing of his Voice in this Vast
Chamber will ADD so much to Benny's VoiceOver!

4. His UnderBelly encrusted w/ Jewels,
Coins, Shields, Helmets, and all types of Plunder ...
will distinguish him.. from ANY others.

5. His Fire-Breathing in 3D is gunna "shinge"
ALL of us
in our
Seats?

Yippie,
Bring it ON!

Bomby


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


May 8 2013, 9:45pm


Views: 1621
The good Lord

knows i have tried to open my soul to TH...if only it had been more charming, i might have taken him home with me me ..Wink

Its all up to the naughty DOS trrailer to rekindle my passion...even if its just a short affair ..

You are? So, i assume your opinion has not been very appreciative? One should not try to force oneself to enjoy something, if his gut says otherwise..

Ha thanks! Its not me, but it sort of resembled my complexion and haircut ...once.

Wink

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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea


May 8 2013, 10:41pm


Views: 1603
Well regarding my guts

All that I said once was well based, but I dont know, things have changed since I saw the DoS preview, and then when I herad the movie in english, two thngs that I didnt have in cinema

And plus the fact that I have lost the count in how many times I have watched AUJ already

Ad regarding the photo, I know perfectly who is Tongue

Now Im going Kili style, but we will seeSmile

Cheers!!!

The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true!


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea


May 8 2013, 10:46pm


Views: 1596
About Glaurung habilities on Smaug

I herad about that theory, but I didnt consider the golden
Someone said that perhaps he could melt the gold and making that golden shield with it I dont know

What Im almost certain is that PJ will give us a LOT more

Now, regarding Glaurung, do you thnkPJ will change Smaugs role a little bit by giving him a power like Glaurung skill to hypnotize?

Perhaps on the mountain side, Thorin is able to have a revealing chat with him, enough for Smaug to give an eye on him and causing Thorin the later dragon sickness

The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true!


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


May 8 2013, 10:56pm


Views: 1608
Bilbo can listen to the unaffected dwarves talk about dragon-sickness


In Reply To
Now, regarding Glaurung, do you thnkPJ will change Smaugs role a little bit by giving him a power like Glaurung skill to hypnotize?

Perhaps on the mountain side, Thorin is able to have a revealing chat with him, enough for Smaug to give an eye on him and causing Thorin the later dragon sickness



Actually, Tolkien hints that dragons can gain power over an individual if they know enough about them. Which is why it is fortunate that Bilbo never gave Smaug his name.

It should be enough to leave the dragon-sickness as a passive curse. Thorin is not the only member of the company who succumbs to it. Several of the other Dwarves do so as well. The unaffected Dwarves can fill Bilbo and the audience in on the affliction.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


May 9 2013, 12:20am


Views: 1554
Good for you

wish i could feel the same. I had a different reaction to the dos preview...whereas you seem to have your excitement for TH risen to unprecedented, Orthanc like, hights...to me, it just made me frown and roll my eyes...

Ah you should always see film in the original language, be it german, english, french, etc...if you can!! Smile I bet it has improved a lot, no doubt about that.

Ouch, you caught me...Wink..Maybe i should get his twin brother instead...

Kili style?? You mean....the stubble ...or...the exit?Unimpressed

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Sinister71
Tol Eressea


May 9 2013, 1:06am


Views: 1594
DOS preview (edited version anyways)

the thing I thought about it (or at least the edited version) was Peter Jackson was more concerned with showing off his facilities and his movie posters than showing anything of DOS. And what was with all the scripted questions from his "Star" guests. Or the pointless questions about being bare foot. I would have rather heard more fan questions about the upcoming film or shown behind the scenes footage of DOS than that stuff. 45 minutes and we get at least 15 of it wandering the halls looking at James Bond posters and hearing Jed Brophy pucker up about a remake of Dam Busters and wanting to work with "Pete" again. I mean there was some behind the scenes stuff but if you ratio it out with all the non DOS stuff and pointless "guest appearances" its about 1/2 maybe.

I don't get it.... no new features on the DVD, the sneak peak was slim pickings, no trailer info yet, No Vlog. Crazy What are they doing? They must be fine tuning Azog or maybe rewriting another section of the film to not match what Tolkien wrote Mad.


Eleniel
Tol Eressea


May 9 2013, 7:12am


Views: 1559
I reckons we got so little because...


In Reply To

I don't get it.... no new features on the DVD, the sneak peak was slim pickings, no trailer info yet, No Vlog. Crazy What are they doing? They must be fine tuning Azog or maybe rewriting another section of the film to not match what Tolkien wrote Mad.





...so little of it was actually finished. The completed clip we got of the High Fells Adventure was leftover pickings from AUJ (it was shown at Comic-Con, for God's sake!) The rest, well, apart from stuff shot on location, has SO MUCH Green Screen that it must take far longer to create a finished shot in Post. Take the scenes with Legolas/Thranduil or Thorin/Thrnaduil. All there is of the set is practically Thranduil's throne and a few props. 12 years ago the actors would have had much more of a studio set to work in, even without the fantastic location sets like Rivendell and Edoras.. No wonder Lily says she's looking forward to seeing what the Elvenking's Halls actually look like! Crazy


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
Victoria Monfort


Skaan
Lorien


May 9 2013, 11:41am


Views: 1626
Green screen

I don't get why people keep complaining about the amount of green screen usage in The Hobbit. If you've watched the behind-the-scenes footage of LOTR, you'd know they've used about the same amount of green screen (well, blue screen actually) in LOTR. And don't forget that they still have pretty big sets aswell. You have Beorn's house, Laketown, the huge piles of gold for Smaug's lair, Mirkwood, etc. And then there's also the on-location shots (wich are also quite a lot, if you've watched the video blogs/behind-the-scenes footage).

It seems like they're building actual sets for close-ups of the environments, and green screen for the background. And that's basically what they did in LOTR aswell.

The reason stuff like Thranduil's halls is done with green screen is because i reckon it to be impossible to actually create those huge, open cavern-like halls as an actual set. You could argue that they could've done it with miniatures, but let's not kid ourselves here, today's CGI looks far better than using miniature shots.

I understand people's dislike for green screen, but all i'm saying is that you should think realistically about what it is that you actually want. And that you shouldn't look at LOTR with rose-tinted goggles and claim how few green screen they've used compared to The Hobbit.


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


May 9 2013, 1:32pm


Views: 1513
People complain because

The film looks incredibly digital, green screened, often fake, studio like, like a sacharin induced green screen fest, etc...Some shots look so Cgi and amateurish i still cant believe it...it has none of natural, realistic, balanced look of Lotr, especially fellowship.

I think many scenes in Rivendell in Lotr were shot at an actual natural set location, a garden in Wellinton, and boy, it shows.

Plus, they had a wonderfull thing called miniatures Wink

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Lusitano
Tol Eressea


May 9 2013, 1:53pm


Views: 1467
Haha

you made me laugh with that description of what jackson and brophy spent most of the time talking about. Wink

Personally, i dont think Jackson is quite as charming and interesting of a character as he was back in the lotr days and before...

So, the entire, cup bearing, bare feet, dam busters, film posters of my youth, discovering what was jackson's wet dreams about in his teens... didnt do anything to me. For a DOS preview, they didnt use the time economically, showing and discussing important things about the adaptations...

The questions from the fans on the video are fanboy moments...one can hardly expect a real question about the adaptation to be put forward with them...Much less any question that hints on criticisms, or wonders if there have been things need to be questioned...

In all the interviews, press junkets, et all that i have seen with jackson about TH, i dont remember seeing an actually well thought, incisive, accurate set of questions about the way jackson adapted the material and how he filmed the this trilogy. Its mainly just "i love you i love you, youre so great , please tell us what its your favourite scene?"

These chats can be fun sometimes, but weve all seen this a hundred times. So....yes i was expecting more interesting questions.

As to the actors comments...i could do without them...they didnt say anythig of relevance...


At this point, we still dont know what jackson intends to do with the rest f the material and how hes going to adapt it...no vlog...didnt he say ..early in the new year? LOL...and those Quint set reports?

Maybe they just decided to slow down on the promotional stuff...pity becaus ethe vblogs were a lot of fun.

Fine tunning Azog haha.I bet, we saw them rehearsing more azog stuff ...

I think Azog should be removed form the hobbit, and if jackson fell in love with him that much, he should add him to the dam busters sequel...Sly

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Eleniel
Tol Eressea


May 9 2013, 3:01pm


Views: 1516
You said it all!

  
At least the miniatures gave the CGI backgrounds a more natural depth and solidity. Sadly, the Dol Guldur and Rivendell distance shots in AUJ look about as realistic as those in the Star Wars prequels.

And yes, an outdoor Rivendell set was built at Kaitoke :

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/...6ec614f6e9908e5c.jpg


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
Victoria Monfort


Skaan
Lorien


May 9 2013, 3:30pm


Views: 1491
Has nothing to do with green screen

Almost nothing you mentioned has got anything to do with green screen though, it sounds more like you have problems with the post-production/color grading. For example, look at the first trailer for AUJ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOGsB9dORBg
The shots in the first trailer look a lot more like the realistic look of LOTR wich you described, and that is mostly because they weren't in post-production back when they released the trailer. The color grading is what probably makes the film look digital/fake in your eyes, not the green screen.

About the miniatures, i already talked about that in my previous post. Today's CGI looks far better than miniature shots. They looked great on LOTR, but they would look outdated now and would need even more post-production effects in order to match today's standards in terms of visual effects. There's also the fact that you are able to have a lot more camera movement in CGI shots, compared to the more restricted feel of miniatures. For example, compare some of the scenes of Moria and the caverns below Isengard to Goblintown. Don't you think Goblintown looks better? I'm not talking about the design of these areas, but the actual graphics and visual sharpness and everything. The only reason people would want miniatures these days is so they can say: "Look, these are practical effects rather than CGI", even though it would look better in CGI. Also, even if they did use miniatures, they would still need to use green screen aswell then in order to get the characters into these environments.

It seems like most people don't actually dislike the CGI effects, they just hate the fact that it's CGI in the first place.

Regarding your other post about a lack of interesting interviews, i kinda agree with this. You may find this interview interesting though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WssJ_ZEsDyo
It's pretty long and a rather old interview, but i still find it quite good. It's been a while since i watched it though, so i'm not sure if they also talk about the things you mentioned.


Sinister71
Tol Eressea


May 9 2013, 4:48pm


Views: 2019
I agree there was green screen on LOTR

but the sets were actually built or made of Bigatures, which worked for LOTR. They worked fantastically and were believable because they used just enough green screen. Where all the action was shot on a set and the background was green screen. A background is much easier to create then something where objects should feel real. And the only way something is going to feel real is being real. The Hobbit however has overused green screen, by building complete sets out of it. The only thing NOT green screen are the actors and maybe a few intractable props. The miniatures were so finely detailed they would work just fine IMO, I do not think they look dated at all. it just that Jackson would have to pick his camera angels instead of having a virtual world to look at. But in the long run I think it would have made a better product.

How far we have come that real sets aren't needed any more, and sadly it shows.Unsure

Jackson was so immersed in using his new technology, wanting newer cameras, more digital effects, 3D, 48fps unfortunately he left the storytelling behind. I would have rather had 24fps, shot in the traditional method,using Bigatures, miniatures, and known working methods of film making. Then maybe we would have had a story that felt like the middle earth we got with LOTR. The new digital sets don't work for me, You can tell they are fake IMO. Certain characters like Gollum were a once in a lifetime thing, Azog to me doesn't feel real at all. I keep expecting to see him wearing the god of war tattoos at any moment in the film. He just reminds me of some video game character, where as Gollum feels real like a part of the scene. Azog looks merely painted on top of it.

I think the Hobbit would have looked much better if they had stuck with using green screen for backgrounds instead of building whole sets out of it. Pioneering something just to do it is not always a good thing. Peter Jackson was too busy wondering if he could when he should have been wondering if he should. Personally I think he should have left it the way they knew it worked.Unsure


(This post was edited by sinister71 on May 9 2013, 4:51pm)


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


May 9 2013, 5:13pm


Views: 1930
I do have an issue with

the colour grading, i really dont like it. More like Gum and Cherry Land or Telettubies than Middle Earth.

However, the fakeness and CGIness of the sets is obvious in that trailer- dol guldur, rivendell- before colour grading.

No, it is the digital look of the camera, the unforgiving resolution, the prevalence of Cgi palletes and backgrounds and sets rather than locations, that just dont blend well together, thus making the film look like an amateur hour show at times, in my opinion : Rivendell, dol guldur , Azanulbizar, Goblin Town, post Misty Mountains for example...It looks very studio like and digital like. Some like this, i really dont.

No, i cant agree.

Goblin town looks terrible, one of my biggets disappointments. Instead of a filmic, dark, underground, hellish sequence, the whole place looks straight out of a video game, all imbued with a ridiculous blueish and orange teal visual Yuck...It certainly doesnt look like a maze of dark caverns.

Jackson showed no sense of visual imagination and understanding of how powerfull such a scene could be., because light and darkness are two very powerfull visual options in cinema.

And that sharpness just makes the ladders, the skulls, stand out as sets...not to mention..Kili blocking the incoming goblin arrows lol.

I think the miniatures look great today. After re watching lotr i am convinced of that, giving a true sense of presence, of a reality, of history...In comparison, Rivendell looks like a ...CGI pallette added to a rocky set. Suspenseion of disbelief is no more.

And if miniature work prevented jackson form going on steroids and giving us those sweeping crazy woooah camera shots like the GT videogame descent down the tunnel ...good! Wink

I think CGI is better applied when used sparingly, judiciously, only when it is absolutely necessary. Not that people dont appreciate it because it is CGi...you dont hear anyone complain about the usage of CGI in Game of Thrones because it is used only occasionally.

I think Ridley Scott still uses these elaborate sets as well. Different approach really, its just a matter of choice, not a cinematic obligation.

Theres just one shot of rivendell in daylight that is well done and seamless...the last shot when the company is leaving...It is much darker and it is a far away shot so those are probably two reasons why it looks different and better.


Yes i had seen that a while ago...its better than most interviews, but still i wish we had sharper interviews with bolder interviewers.

Cheers.

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Lusitano
Tol Eressea


May 9 2013, 5:16pm


Views: 1923
Natural depth and solidity

well said, thats right.

My firts reaction to the first shot of rivendell was ...really? Thats rivendell? Its a computer effect, lol!

Oh that image brings back memories..Heart

The rivendell set is such a wonder to behold ...

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Lusitano
Tol Eressea


May 9 2013, 5:21pm


Views: 1942
"Azog to me doesn't feel real at all"

You know, after Ainour recommended it i recently watched Ridley Scotts Legend! And i find that ...weird, green, swamp evil fairy, far more frightening and scary than Azog, who just makes me wish i could press delete lol.

I actually flinched once, and its a childrens film haha.

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Skaan
Lorien


May 9 2013, 6:18pm


Views: 1960
What you just said is a little silly

http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/5150c2f469beddde6f00000f-590/-where-theyll-encounter-the-master-of-laketown-.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/2946269007aa4a60ff33a67d90a3e0c6/tumblr_mk6jnawF1R1qm7vhlo1_500.png
http://24.media.tumblr.com/a20447398f89bdf6832f5e7a2866bade/tumblr_mgggzpidA21r8wgr7o1_500.jpg
http://corecanvas.s3.amazonaws.com/theonering-0188db0e/gallery/original/500da06cda15c_beorn.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/KatiKat/LJDW/Hobbit_BTS_BeornsHouse.jpg
http://www.elvenesse.net/BlogPhotos/ProdVid4Clip.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/REKAU.jpg
http://thearmitageeffect.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/hobbitblog400053.jpg
http://corecanvas.s3.amazonaws.com/theonering-0188db0e/gallery/original/500da4328185d_dale.png
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/199/18967148697.png/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/168746987.png/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/708/29784987.png/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/708/1987987.png/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/593/1876168.png/
http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff441/fishlegs6/Hobbit%20Stills/GoblinTown.jpg

These are just a couple of pictures i've found by some random Googling. The way you described the green screen usage in LOTR is exactly what you're seeing in these pictures aswell, all the action on a set, and the background as green screen.

There are loads of other pictures that i'd love to show you, but i couldn't find them. Such as a pic that showed the set they've build for the Thorin vs Azog scene. Or a pic that clearly shows the huge size of the Laketown set they've build. Or pictures that showed some more of the Goblintown set, etc etc...

I don't know where you get the idea from that they're not building sets anymore.


Bombadil
Half-elven


May 9 2013, 6:39pm


Views: 1899
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Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor


May 9 2013, 7:23pm


Views: 1902
I must admit

Somehow I'm fairly surprised by Smaug's size-now obviously dragons are huge, but it apparently seems that Smaug is going to bring another definition to the word.

What surprised me more though was the amount of gold in that cavern-how could you have that much gold??? Crazy There's so much compared to the much smaller piled mountain that Tolkien's picture portrayed.

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elaen32
Gondor

May 9 2013, 9:37pm


Views: 1879
In agreement

The Bigatures in LOTR were beautiful and really sold it to me. I don't think any of them look dated and yes, I think Rivendell really benefitted from having the outdoor set as well as the CGI matte paintings etc. I was hoping that there would be more miniatures in TH and was really disappointed when I learnt it would all be CGI. A balance of all these elements works best for me. As for Goblin Town, I did not find that more realistic at all. Moria felt much more creepy, dangerous and real. On my 2D (but still HD) TV a lot of the Goblin Town sequence is blurry (not to mention very silly) in the fast moving parts. I much preferred Moria, which, with the exception of the bit where Aragorn and Frodo are on the staircase as it falls towards their companions, I find much more realistic.
Re Azog, he does look painted in, but then I think that's because he was, and in a hurry too. I felt we could really have done without the character, except at Azanulbizar, where he should have died. If they had to have an orc pursuit of the company, then Bolg would have sufficed IMO
Agree with your last paragraph wholeheartedly

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Eleniel
Tol Eressea


May 9 2013, 9:44pm


Views: 1877
Yes, the location was magical...

There's more pictures here: http://www.fanpop.com/...itle/rivendell-photo

Such a shame it had to be demolished - would have made a fantastic (not to mention, lucrative) wedding venue! Wink


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
Victoria Monfort


Skaan
Lorien


May 9 2013, 10:15pm


Views: 1907
Regarding the color grading

Maybe they're using color grading as a means of storytelling aswell? They've mentioned a couple of times how they want to make the first Hobbit be all lighthearted and fairytale like, but as the story progresses, it would get darker and the tone would start matching LOTR. Maybe this is why AUJ has lots of vibrant colors? Because they want to show Middle-earth is still in it's "beautiful and no-worries" state. And as the movies progress, and more dangers/threats start popping up, the color grading would start matching the style of LOTR?

I'm personally not a fan of the color grading in AUJ aswell, but if this is the reason why they're doing it, i'm ok with itSmile

Not gonna talk about the rest of your comment and the subject of CGI, as i feel it would probably lead to endless back and forth arguments anyway, and we've both made our point already.


Wauntaun
The Shire

May 9 2013, 11:39pm


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That pic of Bilbo scaled down.

That picture where Bilbo is scaled down to size with Smaug next to him just got me even more pumped for this movie than I already was. Great job, whoever did this. Also, I like the chameleon idea where his skin changes with his mood. That could be very suspenseful.


Sinister71
Tol Eressea


May 10 2013, 1:05pm


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Never said they weren't building sets

but the trend has declined. There have been several scenes seen in the Vlog's where every thing around the actors is green, from tables and other shapes that match the virtual environment that even stuff an actor could touch they can't because its not real. I think had they stuck exclusively to having built sets or using the detailed miniatures with the only green screen being the background it would have looked much better.


Arannir
Valinor


May 10 2013, 1:13pm


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I think....

... your views are not even that far apart in this discussion. You probably would both agree that the technical decisions had a big impact on AUJ.

Thedifference - of course, the crucial one - is whether you liked or disliked that different look.


I recently re-watched LotR on BluRay on a massive TV. And I have to say: it has aged, the look is not as timeless as some claim it to be although it is much more timeless than almost everything else out there. However, because of the level of detail and love, I argue that TH trilogy will be the same, despite the different look.

I also don't see how Dol Guldur, for example, could have looked better with a miniature... quite the opposite, actually. I found the blend from the "overall shot" to Gandalf in the set piece extraordinaryly done.

But there we are back to the level of personal taste, again.

Tomorrow I will finally see the AUJ BluRay on my Laptop... the way I watched LotR most of the time over the last years. So that will be the first time I can really compare the look of the two, since I really cannot tell anymore how LotR actually looked to me in cinema other than I loved it.



A dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of mens imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold. J.R.R. Tolkien

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Vangalad
Lorien


May 10 2013, 1:42pm


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Hi everyone

I am not sure if this has already been posted ,it's just a small bit of info from B.Cumberbatch about Smaug: http://news.mymiddleearth.com/...d&utm_medium=twitter


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Not all those who wander are lost,
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea


May 10 2013, 9:55pm


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Hi Vangalad!

Yes that info is old news but ey! good contribution to the post;-)

The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true!


Timdalf
Rivendell


May 11 2013, 2:32pm


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Does it come Smaug-sized?

In view of Demosthenes' post on the Main TORn page about measuring Smaugy, let me add:

Since I (like all true wizards who deal with naughty lizards) think in terms of English measurements here are the totals in footses and incheses (rounded off a tad): Head: 22 ft; Neck & Body: 62 ft 11 in; Tail: 111ft 5 in; Nose to Tail: 202 ft 8 in; Wing: 75 ft 6 in; Full wing span: 246 ft - 328 ft; Old Trafford football pitch is 115 x 75 yds. or 345 ft x 225 ft -- Signed: Timdalf


Yngwulff
Gondor


May 12 2013, 5:56am


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in another post

Based on my estimated size of his nostrils compared to the secret doorway, he could be up to 900 feet long


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