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CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 11 2013, 10:35pm


Views: 1497
Volunteers for next few Silmarillion chapters?

The only requirement is that you have read LOTR and the Silmarillion at some point in your life; you don't need to know the HoME series or anything else. I don't know much, but it doesn't hold me back.

Of the Flight of the Noldor: noWizardme has asked for this one
Of the Sindar: I'll do it unless someone else would like it

That leaves:
Of the Sun and the Moon and the Hiding of Valinor (I think half of that chapter is just reading its title)
Of Men (short title; who cares about them?)
Of the Return of the Noldor
Of Beleriand and its Realms

That sets the stage for the more individualized action to follow. Just PM me or answer this thread with the chapter title in the subject line. We don't have a schedule per se; generally we space chapters apart by a week.

Looking ahead, I think we might take 1-3 weeks each for Beren and Luthien and Turin Turambar. Not only are they long, but there are so many aspects to them and so much of Tolkien's heart and soul poured into them, I think we could look at them from multiple angles and find lots to talk about.

And a big THANK YOU to everyone who is participating!!! You are making this a lot of fun.


ElendilTheShort
Gondor


Apr 11 2013, 10:45pm


Views: 1137
Of the Sun and the Moon interests me

some of the discussion may go beyond The Sil due to JRRT's later thoughts on this and it is a topic that has further implications with respect to the "facts" within the mythology, is that still acceptable.


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 11 2013, 11:04pm


Views: 1128
I will take 'Of The Return of the Noldor' CG

and another one if needed.

Great idea to take extra time on Beren and Luthien and Turin. Those are such rich chapters. Thank CG for organizing !

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 12 2013, 12:08am


Views: 1121
i would love to do a chapter

 
after tonight, i will be all caught up to the chapter we're currently discussing. i've read the silmarilion many times before, but wanted to reread, to enhance my contributions to the discussions.

if i may ask to defer my chapter request until i take a quick flip through this evening, that would be great.

thanks so much for these threads, and everyone's contributions.

many thanks and cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 12 2013, 12:20am


Views: 1124
Sun & Moon & Myths Transformed

I think this is going to be a great discussion! Can't wait to see where you go with it Smile

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 12 2013, 12:24am


Views: 1127
ok -- i've decided...

 
i'll take "of thorin and melian." or, if that's taken, "how aule created thorin's majestic hair."

just kidding. i'll be back in a bit.


cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


Luinnár
Rivendell

Apr 12 2013, 12:25am


Views: 1117
I not sure if I could.

I really must be honest. I have a bit of trouble concentrating on this book. So I just wanted to say thank you because your outlines really help me understand what is going on. Blush


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 12 2013, 1:17am


Views: 1124
Excuse me, but I WANT the Majestic Hair chapter now!

Smile

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 12 2013, 1:21am


Views: 1110
i will happily

 

take the sindar chapter...

cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 12 2013, 1:27am


Views: 1117
christopher tolkien

 
did not put it in the silmarilion. quite the injustice.

i had access to tolkien's private, unpublished papers, and there's another chapter you may be interested in: "of brethil and the king under the mountain." i also discovered a chapter entitled, "give brethil a pony." that one's pretty short.

cheers --
.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 12 2013, 1:32am


Views: 1108
oh shoot

 
i thought the sindar chapter was unclaimed. sorry, curiousg. i'll look for another.

cheers --

t


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 12 2013, 1:38am


Views: 1110
ok

 
i'll do "of men, " and "of maeglin" as well, as the edain chapter is so short (if that's ok with everyone ).

cheers --


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 12 2013, 2:11am


Views: 1104
Love the Maeglin chapter

Can't wait to discuss it. If I remember correctly, Tolkien wrote it to be put in his long version of The Fall of Gondolin. It's too bad he never completed that.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 12 2013, 2:12am


Views: 1107
And what Joyful Sight are those Titles....!


In Reply To
did not put it in the silmarilion. quite the injustice.

i had access to tolkien's private, unpublished papers, and there's another chapter you may be interested in: "of brethil and the king under the mountain." i also discovered a chapter entitled, "give brethil a pony." that one's pretty short.
.




You have made me supremely happy Maciliel my friend!!!!! Smile Angelic It's bound to be quite interesting (ahem!) reading.........!

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 12 2013, 2:26am


Views: 1100
Dwarves are ridden with lice; avoid the hair.

Just trollin'. Smile


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 12 2013, 2:29am


Views: 1094
It's not an easy book.

You're not alone in finding it hard to concentrate on. But things sink in once you get used to all the names, and some people find it a much better read the second time through (if you ever feel like reading it again).

Glad you enjoy our discussions of it.


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 12 2013, 2:39am


Views: 1092
Really CG - maligning The Majestic Hair?

There are some who would not deem it wise........Tongue (**winks**)

Anyway I'm off to bed with some lovely chapters to dream about thanks to Maciliel! Angelic

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 12 2013, 2:40am


Views: 1097
5th time through is more like it

Does anyone actually understand anything until about the fourth or fifth time?? Angelic

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 12 2013, 2:48am


Views: 1116
Updated schedule

Thanks to everyone for so quickly stepping up to the plate! (And the plate is covered in fresh-baked honey cakes from Beorn. Warm honey cakes...time to hit the kitchen.)

Of the Flight of the Noldor: noWizardme
Of the Sindar: CuriousG
Of the Sun and the Moon: ElendilTheShort
Of Men: Maciliel (and "Of Maeglin" when we get there; not sure if this includes his hair or not)
Of the Return of the Noldor: Brethil
Of Beleriand and its Realms:
CuriousG--tentative

I am a geography geek and am probably the only one willing to take Beleriand and its Realms (my girlfriend in high school HATED that chapter--and somehow it was my fault--though I nudged her through the rest of the book without much trouble). I may be having that chapter conversation
alone with myself, but we'll see.


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 12 2013, 10:07am


Views: 1091
hah!


In Reply To

In Reply To
did not put it in the silmarilion. quite the injustice.

i had access to tolkien's private, unpublished papers, and there's another chapter you may be interested in: "of brethil and the king under the mountain." i also discovered a chapter entitled, "give brethil a pony." that one's pretty short.
.


You have made me supremely happy Maciliel my friend!!!!! Smile Angelic It's bound to be quite interesting (ahem!) reading.........!


my most certain pleasure. : )

of course, you must realize that there are also alternate chapters in tolkien's papers, like "i've never been so wrong about maciliel in all my life," which culminates in a hug.

additionally, i came across some hobbit haiku...


thranduil ponders the line of succession
royal, majestic
megaloceros, i wish
you could be my heir.


bombur's discovery
made by the elves of
gondolin, my ladle glows
blue, when orcs are near.


thorin reads the portents
so. this is the thrush.
a good omen. if
bombur hadn't eaten it.



revenge
mother's glory box.
plumbing. pantry. prize-winners. knives.
just wait. arkenstone.


i'm a writer, and write in many forms. for my own amusement, i write humorous haiku. i have a whole bunch on the hobbit.


cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel

(This post was edited by Maciliel on Apr 12 2013, 10:09am)


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 12 2013, 10:50am


Views: 1079
I love the haiku form!

and these are great Maciliel! (I particularly love Thorin reads the portents).

You should treat us to installments! Cool

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 12 2013, 11:00am


Views: 1073
Thanks again for organizing us CG!

Having 'nudged' my hubby through TH - he will go no further....sigh. (At least you got your GF through Sil!)

We promise we won't abandon you in Beleriand, muttering to yourself about the map (what a chapter for a geography quiz!)

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 12 2013, 11:01am


Views: 1087
ha! : )

 
i'm so glad you like, brethil. : ) and i've got a +whole+ bunch on thorin. he's so easy... pfffffft.

i'm actually putting these together on a web site, and i'm in the process of making the site look nice, spiffing it up, etc.

i write a few a week.

true haiku have certain elements. like a reference to a season, using certain words that, within the japanese culture, invoke a season (e.g., like cherry blossoms). i didn't use that element.

traditional haiku also have a "biting word." i'm not exactly true to that either, but i try to keep the biting word spirit alive by having the haiku i write pivot on the last line or a certain word that makes the whole thing funny. i don't always pull it off, but there is some consistency.

i'll share when the site is done.

ha! i'm so glad you like! : )

many cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel

(This post was edited by Maciliel on Apr 12 2013, 11:03am)


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 12 2013, 11:40am


Views: 1065
I look forward to your site!

I agree that Thorin is VERY ... inspiring!
I really like the form, and how you step out of the traditional language and theme to go for humor. Very effective with a lot of 'punch'. I think you do get the bite in - like in 'Revenge' and "Bombur's Discover."

Keep writing them! Smile

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 12 2013, 12:15pm


Views: 1065
i'm afraid

 
... i cannot stop!


cheers : )


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 12 2013, 12:29pm


Views: 490
These are all splendid! //

 


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 12 2013, 12:34pm


Views: 491
thanks, curiousg : )

 
two more, to munch on before the unveiling of the site:

ori's commission
his jaxsie will feel
my dwarvish iron. but first ask
smaug for a portrait?


and, from time to time, a serious haiku comes out. this one came from me thinking about why bifur doesn't talk much...


bifur's reflection
silence for those who
speak no more, all who fell at
azanulbizar.


and, again, thank you for organizing the chapter readings. i +love+ the chapter readings!

cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


telain
Rohan

Apr 12 2013, 2:31pm


Views: 490
many, many thanks!

...for your organizational prowess, CG! And I am finally finding my way back to TORn after end-of-term-madness, so if you are still tentative about Beleriand, I would be happy to take it on. If not, I will be happy to add my comments!


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 12 2013, 2:34pm


Views: 484
telain...

 
telain... i have missed your thoughtful posts in the reading room... glad you are back...

cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


telain
Rohan

Apr 12 2013, 2:51pm


Views: 483
thank you...

...and it's really good to be back. And it looks like I do have some catching up to do!


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 12 2013, 3:13pm


Views: 491
Yes, so glad to hear from you!

Know you had Scholarly Madness going on. Am almost done with Ents Elves and Eridor and am enjoying it immensely. Will PM you some comments shortly! Thanks for the recc! As you see we have been very busy here in the RR which has also been great fun. By all means catch up and add anything that comes to mind!Smile

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


Finwe
Lorien


Apr 12 2013, 11:47pm


Views: 464
I'll take one Curious

So you don't have to do 2, unless you really want to. Doesn't matter to me which one. Looks like I picked the wrong day to be busy!

As three great Jewels they were in form. But not until the End, when Fëanor shall return who perished ere the Sun was made, and sits now in the Halls of Awaiting and comes no more among his kin; not until the Sun passes and the Moon falls, shall it be known of what substance they were made. Like the crystal of diamonds it appeared, and yet was more strong than adamant, so that no violence could mar it or break it within the Kingdom of Arda.


telain
Rohan

Apr 12 2013, 11:53pm


Views: 458
glad you are enjoying EE&E...

... and I would love to hear your comments!

Now, where was I? (dusts off Sil) Oh, yes, Chapter 8!


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 13 2013, 1:51am


Views: 460
As per Sil chapters...

You have more time constraints I think than I do, so if you would care to take Of the Return of the Noldor while you are free from any school issues I would take something later on....

I should be finished with EE&E (easier!) very soon so yes, I will send you some thoughts - will say I see exactly how the "doors" idea really applies in the spirit world and the environmental world!

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


telain
Rohan

Apr 14 2013, 10:48pm


Views: 434
much appreciated!

... but after this week, I should be relatively free for a while! I think Finwe and I both tried to relieve CG of "Of Beleriand..." but I can always sign up for a chapter in the next round -- no worries!


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 15 2013, 1:03am


Views: 433
Now everyone clamors for geography

I'm in the mood to do another chapter myself, so I would like to do Of the Sindar. But if Finwe or Telain would like to cover Of Beleriand and its Realms, that would be good, because you'd be certain to have at least one cartophile respond to your post (me!). But otherwise, I can do it if you'd like to pick another chapter. In past discussions of LOTR usually all the chapters in a volume were scheduled in advance, but I was thinking if we did The Silmarillion in batches, then no one is daunted that they don't get to do their chapter until August or whenever. Plus we have new people joining the discussion all the time, so it makes it easier to accommodate the newcomers.


boldog
Rohan


Apr 15 2013, 9:44am


Views: 416
i will be interested

this is very interesting.
I will be particularly interested in helping to discuss of turin, of beren and luthien, of the fifth battle, and of tuor and the fall of gondolin. the battle of unnumbered tears is a hot topic for me so remeber the name !!Wink

"fingolfin looked up in grief to see what evil morgoth had done to maedhros"


noWizardme
Half-elven


Apr 15 2013, 11:56am


Views: 405
And welcome to the reading room, Boldog :) //

 

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....


sador
Half-elven


Apr 15 2013, 2:53pm


Views: 416
Thank you, CuriousG!

As one of the (relative) old-timers, who sorely misses the RR denizens of yore and was concerened that as they dropped out one by one, the RR would remain cold and cheerless - you have done an amazing job in reviving it! Thank you very much - and to all the even younger (TORnwise) members who keep this a site which I still read on a daily basis.


I don't seem to have much time to lead a chapter at present (even responding to one or two threads a week takes its toll just now) - I was thinking of tackling "Of Men", but am curious as to what Maciliel will do with it. Maybe next round.

In the previous time we've discussed The Silmarillion, the chapters of Beren and Luthien and of Turin Turambar were split in two, as were the Akaalabeth on Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age. What do you think? Should this be repeated?


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 15 2013, 3:21pm


Views: 431
i think you will enjoy it, sador


In Reply To

I was thinking of tackling "Of Men", but am curious as to what Maciliel will do with it. Maybe next round.


sador, it will be glorious. the discussions on this chapter will fill your heart with gladness and goodness and delight, as if it were spilling over with the light from the holy silmarils themselves. filled with that light, you will go out into the world and do many brave and glorious deeds, and your name will be known to all.

our discussions will make us thirsty, and we will drink many a flagon of miruvor, and sing fine songs in lilting voices by the campfire, as our notes waft up to the heavens, red and golden, against the night.

i think you will like.

it is byom, btw. ("bring your own miruvor.")


cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


sador
Half-elven


Apr 15 2013, 4:04pm


Views: 420
(grins)

When driving home I got an e-mail alert - waited all the way to see what it was - in was from TORn, notifying me of your reply - came in smiling.

But if you want to brag - I'll have no choice but to take Of the Coming of Men Into the West, and show people how it's really done.

Just kidding, of course! But I'll take it nevertheless.

Cheers


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 15 2013, 4:11pm


Views: 410
oh, no -- not bragging

 
not bragging -- just sharing. manwe said something about it yesterday. (oin has also read the portents.)

+so glad+ to have been instrumental in a smile! : )

i eagerly await "of the coming of men into the west," and my schooling.

many cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


telain
Rohan

Apr 15 2013, 5:57pm


Views: 409
I do love geography!

But also love to see what questions other people ask -- thoughts, Finwe?


noWizardme
Half-elven


Apr 15 2013, 6:11pm


Views: 395
Too much miruvor, and it will be the geography of Blearyland :) //

 

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....


Finwe
Lorien


Apr 15 2013, 8:53pm


Views: 391
Perhaps my reply got missed

It's kind of in no man's land if you view in threaded mode. ;) I would love to lead a chapter. Doesn't matter which one. I was late logging on last week when this thread started and missed all the fun.

As three great Jewels they were in form. But not until the End, when Fëanor shall return who perished ere the Sun was made, and sits now in the Halls of Awaiting and comes no more among his kin; not until the Sun passes and the Moon falls, shall it be known of what substance they were made. Like the crystal of diamonds it appeared, and yet was more strong than adamant, so that no violence could mar it or break it within the Kingdom of Arda.


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 15 2013, 9:06pm


Views: 386
No, we spotted you

Just wanted to make sure you're okay with taking Beleriand and its Realms and not decide for you.


Finwe
Lorien


Apr 15 2013, 9:11pm


Views: 394
That'll be just fine

Perhaps I was the one who missed a reply. Sly Thanks, Curious!

As three great Jewels they were in form. But not until the End, when Fëanor shall return who perished ere the Sun was made, and sits now in the Halls of Awaiting and comes no more among his kin; not until the Sun passes and the Moon falls, shall it be known of what substance they were made. Like the crystal of diamonds it appeared, and yet was more strong than adamant, so that no violence could mar it or break it within the Kingdom of Arda.


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 12:20am


Views: 375
Blearly-land.... ***hahahaha***

That;s awesome N-W-M....!!!!!!!

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 12:22am


Views: 370
Sounds good Telain!

We have such a great crowd hanging about...should be a very fun and interesting stretch...!

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 12:52am


Views: 372
Well, the gifted writer in you is showing :)

And I do NOT want to be the one to follow your chapter. My own chapter writing will have far less lilting and far fewer glorious deeds, but I could probably conjure up some respectable wafting. If nothing else, I will stoop to the brutal but effective technique of capturing attention by USING ALL CAPS, which my heart telleth me thou art loth to do. Wink And beware my growing power over font sizes!


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 1:22am


Views: 472
And thank you for the kind words

You have the status of Cirdan now, I think, the oldest and wisest regular contributor to the Reading Room. Okay, maybe you don't want to be called "old." Do you have a beard? Why did Cirdan have one? I digress. I miss all the other people who used to post here regularly also. I'm hoping they are taking a break, are lurking, and will come back to us someday soon. Darkstone's jokes, Curious's razor sharp reasoning, FarFromHome's insights--everyone had their specialty, just like everyone here now does.

I'm a book-firster, so while I'll peruse the other boards, the Reading Room is like an escape to Valinor for me, and I'm glad we have so many new people joining us with so many new ideas and so much fun camaraderie.

I was hoping you could take a chapter, but no worries, happy to just have you contribute, and I knew you would speak up if you had the time.

I think both those chapters should be split in two, if not three. I've also toyed with suggesting people taking different themes for them, but I wonder if that sounds neat in theory but would be messy in reality. For example, just a few themes in B&L are:
  1. Family
  2. Magic
  3. Politics
Those sound distinct enough, until you think of Thingol contemplating war with Nargothrond to get Luthien back, which is both Family and Politics. Finrod duels in song with Sauron (Magic) but with no backup army because he's been effectively dethroned (Politics). Most things in that chapter are intricately laced together and are hard to discuss in isolation. Even discussing just the events/actions isn't easy because their results branch off in many directions.

What do other people think of ways to split it up? I guess I'm not convinced that going chronologically is the best way to do it. Even the timeline isn't all that linear, with a lot of "meanwhile, back in Doriath..." One thought I had is that 2-3 people could give their own views on the chapter (1 per week), so it wouldn't matter if comments were intertwined, there would at least be a different starting perspective with each person. Thoughts from others? We rule by consensus here, like the Shire. Smile


(This post was edited by CuriousG on Apr 16 2013, 1:23am)


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 1:23am


Views: 464
lol!!!


In Reply To
And I do NOT want to be the one to follow your chapter. My own chapter writing will have far less lilting and far fewer glorious deeds, but I could probably conjure up some respectable wafting. If nothing else, I will stoop to the brutal but effective technique of capturing attention by USING ALL CAPS, which my heart telleth me thou art loth to do. Wink And beware my growing power over font sizes!


lol-ing re "which my heart telleth me thou art loth to do."

indeed.

also -- you are free to call me as you wish... but how are you pronouncing it? maciliel -- "mah - sil - ee - l"... has an "s" sound... does your "mac" terminate in the "s" sound, or the "k" sound?

and it will not be my writing but our mutual discussions that will inspire us to go forth with valor and honor, to right many wrongs and heal the wounds of the world.

and the miruvor certainly will not hurt.


cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 1:26am


Views: 463
Oops, I was think "Mack." Sounds better with the "s". (Lilting even.) Bring on the miruvor! //

 


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 1:27am


Views: 466
pfffffffftttttttt!!!!!!!!

 
laughing at "blearyland." (!)

i, as unfashionable as it may be, enjoy a good pun. and that was a good one.

cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 1:30am


Views: 453
actually, you bring up a good point

 
i'm forgetting my elvish pronunciation, and i'm not going to run upstairs right now to crack open my books ('tho i will do that later).

... "macil" is the root word here... does tolkien use the aspirated "s" sound, or the non-aspirated "k" sound?

it would be embarrassing if i did not know how to pronounce my own name. but it may be the case.


cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel

(This post was edited by Maciliel on Apr 16 2013, 1:30am)


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 1:31am


Views: 456
I think it's clear we have to keep noWiz away from that chapter, or he'd wind up a drunk in Bree.//

 


Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 1:34am


Views: 457
My 2 cents

What if we just let someone lead the chapter and see where the discussion goes. I for one, wouldn't mind if the B&L or Turin discussions were long (the current thread is upwards of 75 somehow!). We did, after all, begin this as an informal read through. No real sense in changing that, if you ask me. If those threads get bumped from page one and we're not done with them, we can just revive them.

That's my thoughts. Feel free to do whatever you want, though Smile

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen

(This post was edited by Ardamírë on Apr 16 2013, 1:37am)


noWizardme
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 6:31am


Views: 441
How about a series of "theme" threads when we've finished the Sil chapters?

Lots of themes could be picked out - not least by reviewing what's come up in the chapter discussions. But the posts there are a little constrained by the need not to discuss an upcoming chapter instead of the current one.
As for the current discussion ( I'm up next :) ) it seems to be working fine to start the discussion going in one direction and not be surprised if it heads off somewhere unexpected. We have a good company gathered here in the ....hang on, which pub are we in now?

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....


noWizardme
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 11:26am


Views: 434
Nonshenshe! I'm here at the Pranching Dragon, perfectly able to take on the next Chapter...thread...thing :) //

 

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....


telain
Rohan

Apr 16 2013, 12:49pm


Views: 435
I think we are missing each other's replies

So, which of us is doing the Chapter on Beleriand?


Finwe
Lorien


Apr 16 2013, 1:31pm


Views: 426
You can take it if you'd like

If this is a subject near and dear to your heart, go ahead. I would just like to lead a chapter discussion period, but there will be plenty more opportunities in later chapters for that.

I do see now where you and Curious had your convo going. I only read the new posts when I drop in, and for some reason those weren't marked new. I must have opened up the thread, got distracted, and navigated away before I could view your posts. Sorry about the confusion.

As three great Jewels they were in form. But not until the End, when Fëanor shall return who perished ere the Sun was made, and sits now in the Halls of Awaiting and comes no more among his kin; not until the Sun passes and the Moon falls, shall it be known of what substance they were made. Like the crystal of diamonds it appeared, and yet was more strong than adamant, so that no violence could mar it or break it within the Kingdom of Arda.


telain
Rohan

Apr 16 2013, 1:42pm


Views: 421
I would appreciate it...

...and I thank you for offering.

Actually, I would like to take this chapter -- if only because I teach cartography and physical geography! So, I suppose it is a bit "dear to my heart" (and mind).

And I have been bamboozled many times by the threaded/flat mode/new post confusion, so no apologies necessary!


Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 3:24pm


Views: 420
I'm not good with themes

But I'd be interested in reading others' ideas on them.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 4:47pm


Views: 411
Open discussion or thematic for B & L

Either way it has the potential for many weeks of discussion. As Ardamire suggests, we can open it up to a general set of postings, and see where it goes, allowing themes to appear. If stated themes are to be considered, even later on after a general discussion (which might be interesting....) I would think maybe along the lines of:

The Quest for the Silmaril, including the shadow of the Oath
Who exactly is Beren?
Mortal and Firstborn union, including the Choice of Luthien and its meaning for ME
The sentient Beasts of the tale, and their symbolisms

A lot of material here, and so close to JRRT's heart.

And do we picture NoWiz in Bree munching a carrot by any chance.....? Tongue




Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 4:48pm


Views: 407
Finwe, you can have Of the Sindar then, if you'd like

And I'll pm you also to make sure you get this. I can wait for a later chapter. My only concern is giving you enough advance time for Of the Sindar. So if it's not enough advance time (it would fall sometime next week), I can still do it.

This is really cool that we enough volunteers to have to figure out who will take which chapter! Thanks, all.


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 5:01pm


Views: 405
OK, no themes.

We'll break the chapter up in chunks and let discussions flow like the Anduin, maybe reaching the Sea, maybe winding up in Bree. (I was told long ago that making words rhyme does NOT make me a poet, but I still try.)

I like noWiz's idea of doing themes as a wrap-up afterwards. I joined the Reading Room years after they had a thematic discussion of LOTR; I remember Elizabeth said she had "horses," and I think it would be fun to discuss things that way, but it can wait.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 5:28pm


Views: 402
Don't let me stop everyone.

If everyone else wants to discuss themes, I'm happy to sit back and watch the discussion.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


noWizardme
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 5:30pm


Views: 398
The idea of doing Unfinished Tales was also floated (once Sil is finished) //

 

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....


Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 5:34pm


Views: 424
Unfinished Tales discussion

I think that would be excellent! I would sooooooo love to discuss the long version of Tuor.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 5:50pm


Views: 392
UT - That would rock!


In Reply To
I think that would be excellent! I would sooooooo love to discuss the long version of Tuor.





That would be great! If we have a group this interested we can really plunge through so many of the works, which is fabulous.

(I love that we are up to 70 posts talking about TALKING about Tolkien...!)

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.

(This post was edited by Brethil on Apr 16 2013, 5:51pm)


Finwe
Lorien


Apr 16 2013, 6:03pm


Views: 388
Sure

Thanks for being so generous, Curious. I'll get cracking.

As three great Jewels they were in form. But not until the End, when Fëanor shall return who perished ere the Sun was made, and sits now in the Halls of Awaiting and comes no more among his kin; not until the Sun passes and the Moon falls, shall it be known of what substance they were made. Like the crystal of diamonds it appeared, and yet was more strong than adamant, so that no violence could mar it or break it within the Kingdom of Arda.


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 6:17pm


Views: 385
i would totally grok

 
i would totally grok doing discussions on home.

cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 6:21pm


Views: 385
HORSES!!!!!!!

 
HORSES!!!!!!!

HORSES!!!!!!!

HORSES!!!!!!!

(i +love+ horses -- started riding when i was eight.)


HORSES!!!!!!!


.... i'm sorry.... was i exclaiming out loud?


cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 6:55pm


Views: 380
They used to have regular book discussions

But things in the Reading Room pretty much just fizzled out. It's been great having more people to discuss with again!

I'm really interested to get into the things that aren't discussed all that much - Tuor's coming to Gondolin, The Mariner's Wife, the description of Numenor, the palantiri... I think doing Unfinished Tales will be lots of fun Smile

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 6:56pm


Views: 380
Grok?

I don't have any idea what you're talking about, lol!

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 7:08pm


Views: 410
Grok, as defined

in urbandictionary.com is

Taken from the book 'Stranger in a Strange Land,' literally meaning 'to drink' but taken to mean 'understanding.' Often used by programmers and other assorted geeks."It took me a long time to grok Perl, but now I can read it without going blind!"
Though maybe Mac had another definition in mind?


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 7:10pm


Views: 417
grok defined

 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok

intense, empathetic understanding...

cheers --


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel

(This post was edited by Maciliel on Apr 16 2013, 7:12pm)


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 7:12pm


Views: 414
Discussing discussions--LOL

 

In Reply To
(I love that we are up to 70 posts talking about TALKING about Tolkien...!)

Yes, that sets a new record, I believe. In the past, we sometimes needed a little prodding from Elizabeth to sign up even for LOTR.

Next, let's start a sub-thread on how to talk about talking about talking about Tolkien. Is there an etiquette? Do we go in any order? Is there any kind of theme to our comments other than excitement? Does the Reading Room have wings, or is it more like a rocket blast?


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 7:13pm


Views: 412
Wikipedia sounds so much more sophisticated than urbandictionary.com //

 


Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 7:15pm


Views: 407
Of course it has wings

Tongue

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 7:16pm


Views: 404
I left Unfinished Tales unfinished

But having people to discuss HOME with will definitely motivate me to read through them all. It seems we should keep the momentum going and do that next.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 7:16pm


Views: 406
Grok

Makes sense now. Seems like a very odd word, though.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 7:16pm


Views: 401
Thanks! //

 

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 7:19pm


Views: 397
Well that explains your lovely Avatar...


In Reply To
HORSES!!!!!!!

HORSES!!!!!!!

HORSES!!!!!!!

(i +love+ horses -- started riding when i was eight.)

HORSES!!!!!!!

.... i'm sorry.... was i exclaiming out loud?
.




And since you were kind enough to include me in the King Under the Mountain's story and send me a pony, I told Shadowfax to stop by your neck of the woods for some quality tackless time.... Angelic

(I adore Viggo not just for Aragorn, but for how he loves all those LOTR cast horses...)

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 7:20pm


Views: 399
i move we

 
i move we discuss all the pre-exile chapters in quenya, the exile chapters in sindarin, and the numernorian chapters in adunaic.

cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 7:22pm


Views: 394
How far did you get?

How much of Unfinished Tales did you get through? And have you read anything from HoME?

I seriously can't imagine having read only The Silmarillion, The Hobbit, and LOTR. Tolkien's works are so much more vast than those.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 7:23pm


Views: 389
by "home"

 
by "home?" i meant everything ... from unfinished tales to morgoth's ring...

cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


noWizardme
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 7:24pm


Views: 391
The Reading Room has as many wings as a Balrog....//

 

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....


noWizardme
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 7:35pm


Views: 383
Grok, the unauthorised biography.....

I was going to compose a bogus biography of Grok, who sounds like an orcish chieftain to me. Didnt he challenge Thorin to a duel, and lose when Thorin chose "hair care products" as the weapons? Later, he took to playing guitar. He teamed up with Dave Grohl of the Foo Fighters to form the worlds first Grok and Grohl Band.

Oddly,
Horses!!!!
Horses!!!!
Horses!!!!
They're very tasty
...was their first hit.

There used to be an amusing fake bio of Atchem Beauchet, the Vietnamese guru of the Britpop band Blur (you know, Song 2: "I got my head checked/ by Atchem Beauchet") which would be a good model, but I can't find it now.

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....


(This post was edited by noWizardme on Apr 16 2013, 7:39pm)


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 7:35pm


Views: 382
Well, Tuor and Gondolin, at least (*lowers head in shame*)

I really don't make a very good Tolkien fanatic (the origin of the word "fan," I am reminded) since I haven't read HOME, but I've tried, and it just became a dry journey through "And then my father scribbled this note in a margin and crossed out that." I confessed the weakness of my faith to a literature professor who was also a fan(atic), and he confided that he too couldn't plow through "Tolkien's unpolished prose," that it seemed to detract from the published, polished writing that we enjoy. And the Tuor part in particular, while filling in some gaps for me about a character I like and wish I knew more about, seemed a little odd with those Noldorin lamps in the tunnels that sounded more like a science fiction device than anything that belonged in Middle-earth. I got distracted by things like that that didn't seem to fit very well or seemed rough in the description, because JRR, of course, was excellent about describing things, and finding him less so was dismaying. I didn't go so far as wailing and gnashing my teeth, but I was dismayed.

But, I have to say that your post on Miriel, Ardamire, really inspired me to tackle HOME again, because there are just too many good things I've missed out on. And with so many well-educated people to discuss them with, I think I'll do a lot better.


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 7:39pm


Views: 382
Grok totally sounds orcish

I'm a little worried that it was a Freudian slip by Maciliel, and she could be a spy from Mordor. Someone should pm her with "Elbererth!" and see if that melts her computer. But Grok would make a good rock band name too.

I'm thinking those hair care products might have come in handy in a battle. Think of all that hair, and your enemy tries to grasp you by it to yank your head back and slice your throat, but their hands slide off, covered in grease, so much grease that they can't hold their own weapon anymore, and then you dispatch them quickly.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 7:45pm


Views: 373
N-W-M

I must confess I have absolutely no idea how to reply to this post! So I'll just "smile and wave" as some of my favorite penguins say SmileCool

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


noWizardme
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 7:49pm


Views: 374
Wait, you've just started talking about "talking about talking about Tolkien"!

Which means that here I'm ... Oh forget it
Disappears I puff of own logic.....Laugh

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 7:55pm


Views: 368
I am in the same boat as you CG


In Reply To
I really don't make a very good Tolkien fanatic (the origin of the word "fan," I am reminded) since I haven't read HOME, but I've tried, and it just became a dry journey through "And then my father scribbled this note in a margin and crossed out that." I confessed the weakness of my faith to a literature professor who was also a fan(atic), and he confided that he too couldn't plow through "Tolkien's unpolished prose," that it seemed to detract from the published, polished writing that we enjoy. And the Tuor part in particular, while filling in some gaps for me about a character I like and wish I knew more about, seemed a little odd with those Noldorin lamps in the tunnels that sounded more like a science fiction device than anything that belonged in Middle-earth. I got distracted by things like that that didn't seem to fit very well or seemed rough in the description, because JRR, of course, was excellent about describing things, and finding him less so was dismaying. I didn't go so far as wailing and gnashing my teeth, but I was dismayed.

But, I have to say that your post on Miriel, Ardamire, really inspired me to tackle HOME again, because there are just too many good things I've missed out on. And with so many well-educated people to discuss them with, I think I'll do a lot better.




After reading LOTR at light-speed two decades ago I voraciously bought and read EVERYTHING else I could find by JRRT...but hit a bit of a wall. I think at the time I was simply so enamored of LOTR that the other works were too distant to enjoy fully, especially as you say with difference of style as well. Within the last ten years Sil has become so close to my heart and I simply 'get' more out of it, possibly because of the time that has evolved since absorbing LOTR, absorbing the films, and thus as a result wanting more of the ME world. Of course just when I wanted to read them all again (Letters, HoME and CoH) - out of storage they came, all ruined with water! Rrrrrgh. Am now replacing and have been loving Letters (which used to seem dry, not so anymore) will be rereading the others...

.... and on that note I agree with you and with our many well-read friends here on TORn I think the perusal will be much more worthwhile this time around, considering how much depth and uniqueness of ideas we have seen so far just in the Sil discussions. More grokking all around...Wink which sounds like passing orc-liquor around or belching frogs, really.

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.

(This post was edited by Brethil on Apr 16 2013, 7:58pm)


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 7:57pm


Views: 365
**giggle** KABOOM!!!!

Smile

In Reply To
I must confess I have absolutely no idea how to reply to this post! So I'll just "smile and wave" as some of my favorite penguins say SmileCool




I just love Rico......Cool

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 7:58pm


Views: 360
HoME

I freely admit that it's often difficult to wade through. Much of it can be dry and dull. But when it shines, it can absolutely bowl you over. I find those gems to be very much worth their work to mine.

That's HoME, though. Unfinished Tales (to me) is incredibly user-friendly. I'm shocked that you found JRR a little rough. I don't think I've ever thought that (but then, maybe that's partly because reading through HoME you see a great range of writing styles and don't necessarily get used to one particular one). I actually really love the Noldorin lamps. I don't really see how they're any different from the other fantastical elements like the Silmarils or the Arkenstone.

That's very kind of you to say, CuriousG! I'm looking forward to tackling them again with so many people to discuss them with.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 7:59pm


Views: 357
Rico is the best! //

 

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


noWizardme
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 8:49pm


Views: 354
Hmm that's odd...

I have a side interest in thinking about names that ought to be Tolkien characters but aren't. That's why I enjoyed "Grok."

I think this game started from finding that my Japanese cook book was full of dwarves (Nori, Dashi, Wasabi....)

But I can't think of what kind of Tolkien character RICO would be, if not a penguin. That's because I Can't think of Tolkien characters who end in -o, perhaps because he's avoiding Romance languages?

"Old Man Will-o" is cheating, I think....

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 8:52pm


Views: 344
Bilbo, Frodo, Drogo, Bungo, Otho, Lotho, Folco -- think hobbits! //

 


noWizardme
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 8:55pm


Views: 340
Of course! RIco must be a hobbit! Thanks! //

 

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 8:59pm


Views: 490
think in quenya

 
lots of names that terminate in o in quenya...

feanaro
maitmo
ulmo


cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


telain
Rohan

Apr 16 2013, 9:15pm


Views: 471
and Elwe Singollo... if he were suave...

"Rico" just doesn't feel terribly Quenya to me. I think a rather dashing and debonair Hobbit is more like it!


Finwe
Lorien


Apr 16 2013, 9:29pm


Views: 473
Count me in

Man, have you peeps been busy today! I would love to discuss the UT. My only complaint with the UT and HoME is all the footnotes. They were like slot machines. Some had useful info, but most left you wondering why you were going to the hassle of trying to keep the page marked. But those few kept you at it though.

As three great Jewels they were in form. But not until the End, when Fëanor shall return who perished ere the Sun was made, and sits now in the Halls of Awaiting and comes no more among his kin; not until the Sun passes and the Moon falls, shall it be known of what substance they were made. Like the crystal of diamonds it appeared, and yet was more strong than adamant, so that no violence could mar it or break it within the Kingdom of Arda.


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 10:07pm


Views: 470
We've exceeded 100 posts on this thread :)

And going back a year, I only see one other post exceeding the 100 mark. That was Brethil's March 22 post: "Some confusing (to me) issues about the Power(s) of the Ring and Isildur".



Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 10:32pm


Views: 465
I will count you in!

Like I was saying to CuriousG, UT is actually very user-friendly. It's not until HoME that it can get pretty difficult.

I would say that The Book of Lost Tales 1 & 2 are the hardest, but even those have the only full versions of the Nauglamir and the Fall of Gondolin. Sure, some of it is later contradicted, but loads of it still fits. I love them Heart

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 16 2013, 10:33pm


Views: 466
Crazy talk!

I'm so excited that the Reading Room is so vibrant once again Smile

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 16 2013, 10:57pm


Views: 450
I do love that thread


In Reply To
And going back a year, I only see one other post exceeding the 100 mark. That was Brethil's March 22 post: "Some confusing (to me) issues about the Power(s) of the Ring and Isildur".




Those posts clarified the Ring and JRRT's philosophy for me more than reading any published analysis ever did. Thanks to all BTW!!!!!! Smile

I have the feeling we have a few more triple-digits threads coming up soon CG!

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


squire
Half-elven


Apr 17 2013, 1:22am


Views: 440
Right on! //

 



squire online:
RR Discussions: The Valaquenta, A Shortcut to Mushrooms, and Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit
Lights! Action! Discuss on the Movie board!: 'A Journey in the Dark'. and 'Designing The Two Towers'.
Footeramas: The 3rd (and NOW the 4th too!) TORn Reading Room LotR Discussion; and "Tolkien would have LOVED it!"
squiretalk introduces the J.R.R. Tolkien Encyclopedia: A Reader's Diary


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Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 17 2013, 1:28am


Views: 447
Good to see you around, squire

Our paths don't cross nearly often enough for my liking. Hopefully with the Reading Room picking up that will change.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


Finwe
Lorien


Apr 17 2013, 2:51am


Views: 435
I'm a UT fan myself

Especially the Galadriel and Celeborn section. I just hate footnotes.

As three great Jewels they were in form. But not until the End, when Fëanor shall return who perished ere the Sun was made, and sits now in the Halls of Awaiting and comes no more among his kin; not until the Sun passes and the Moon falls, shall it be known of what substance they were made. Like the crystal of diamonds it appeared, and yet was more strong than adamant, so that no violence could mar it or break it within the Kingdom of Arda.


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 17 2013, 2:59am


Views: 433
I know what you mean.

They certainly detract from the text.1











(1) see above



Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 17 2013, 3:00am


Views: 431
Footnotes

I love reading them. They're generally quite fascinating.

Back in my younger days, when I was probably only 12 or 13, I didn't realize that the notes were meant to be read during the reading when you get to that number. So I'd read the whole text and then a block of notes Blush

I have now repented of my ways, lol.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 17 2013, 3:05am


Views: 434
lmeao!!!!!


In Reply To
They certainly detract from the text.1





(1) see above





pffffttt!!!!!!

cg, lmeao!


cheers --


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel

(This post was edited by Maciliel on Apr 17 2013, 3:06am)


Finwe
Lorien


Apr 17 2013, 3:10am


Views: 425
That's great Curious!//

 

As three great Jewels they were in form. But not until the End, when Fëanor shall return who perished ere the Sun was made, and sits now in the Halls of Awaiting and comes no more among his kin; not until the Sun passes and the Moon falls, shall it be known of what substance they were made. Like the crystal of diamonds it appeared, and yet was more strong than adamant, so that no violence could mar it or break it within the Kingdom of Arda.


noWizardme
Half-elven


Apr 17 2013, 8:17am


Views: 421
How about a pollantir?

"What should the Reading Room do after the current read through of the Silmarillion <link>?"
Options:
Unfinished Tales
History of Middle Earth
A series about themes in Tolkiens works
Other (please specify)

Good to keep reaching outside RR itself, and people enthusiastic about an option can be encouraged to take a chapter/theme. Also note my cunning link to what we're doing now- for the same reason.

Need to have a post **inside** the reading room asking people to vote: the browse structure of the site will work against us otherwise.

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....


sador
Half-elven


Apr 17 2013, 8:57am


Views: 442
Not bad.

62 more responses, and you'll equal this_one.


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 17 2013, 12:33pm


Views: 418
interesting read

 
yes, i just read that eight-page thread.

i'm a reader.


cheers --


.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 17 2013, 3:31pm


Views: 416
I feel too intimidated to reply

I read that thread when I was new here and felt intimidated and a little frustrated. It certainly helped me understand the Rdg Rm atmosphere better. I think a lot of people "intimidate" without meaning to, so the perception can't always be prevented, though I hope we can always minimize it. This is supposed to be a safe place to share questions, answers, and enthusiasm about Tolkien's writings, and generally, it is. Our thanks to the moderators for keeping it that way!


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 17 2013, 4:22pm


Views: 404
Agreed CG ...


In Reply To
I read that thread when I was new here and felt intimidated and a little frustrated. It certainly helped me understand the Rdg Rm atmosphere better. I think a lot of people "intimidate" without meaning to, so the perception can't always be prevented, though I hope we can always minimize it. This is supposed to be a safe place to share questions, answers, and enthusiasm about Tolkien's writings, and generally, it is. Our thanks to the moderators for keeping it that way!




And I have to say I really like our culture lately. I varied between lurking and posting for a long time off and on since these boards began, and the last few months have been great, which is why I jumped back into the hot tub. Thanks to the Modar (**bow to Maciliel **) and to everyone in general for keeping it that way.

Of course when *some people* can do fAnCy font tricks and make clever footnotes, CG....I dunno. I feel intimidated....Tongue (**snert**) Keep it up and I might have to start a plaintive Feedback thread about fonting and footnoting.....(**hehe**) Smile

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


Finwe
Lorien


Apr 17 2013, 4:46pm


Views: 397
It has been a blast

I always love coming to the RR because I'm either going to read someone's great thoughts on a subject or maybe even have great thoughts of my own! Wink Even if you post something incorrect, it's still a net gain here because someone will provide you with a correct info in a friendly manner, enhancing your own Tolkien knowledge.

As three great Jewels they were in form. But not until the End, when Fëanor shall return who perished ere the Sun was made, and sits now in the Halls of Awaiting and comes no more among his kin; not until the Sun passes and the Moon falls, shall it be known of what substance they were made. Like the crystal of diamonds it appeared, and yet was more strong than adamant, so that no violence could mar it or break it within the Kingdom of Arda.


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 17 2013, 4:48pm


Views: 401
brethil's bucking for another pony : )

 
(and there's a pun in there -- i don't deny it.)

(cheers -- )


(.)


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 17 2013, 5:16pm


Views: 395
eQuine and PUNishment...


In Reply To
(and there's a pun in there -- i don't deny it.)

(cheers -- )


(.)




Maybe per our old RR discussion we can award each other Ponies instead of Cookies....its very AUJ hip.

And my pun above is SO bad that everyone (*pointing*) reading this takes 5 pts damage, no saving throws. Cool

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 17 2013, 5:25pm


Views: 395
hah! i enjoyed your pun

 
but i am a rather unsavory character, after all.

ponies / cookies = mind meld!

honest to elbereth, brethil, after i read that eight-page thread this morning about reading room culture, i had decided that, moving forward, i will be commanding the company to give folks ponies. (and it's not like i haven't done it before -- +as you well know+.)

cheers : )

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Apr 17 2013, 6:00pm


Views: 389
Amen to that!

Yes, it's been awesome to see all this fresh enthusiasm!

And the most mind-blowing of all, is to log on and see that since last logging on there have been more posts in the RR than on the Hobbit board...Shocked!


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"I desired dragons with a profound desire"






CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 17 2013, 6:28pm


Views: 383
What's the Hobbit board, and why would anyone go there?

Just kidding. I followed it when the movie was fresh in my memory, and will follow it again when each sequel comes out. I'm glad we have all of them.


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 17 2013, 6:58pm


Views: 854
well, nowime

 
... you have my official encouragement to run it up the flag poll.*



*(not a misspelling; an egregious pun.)

cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


Finwe
Lorien


Apr 17 2013, 6:59pm


Views: 853
Wowsa!

That thread certainly was a masterpiece. And just so you know, sador, I thought your discussion questions on the appendices were awesome. Wish I had been around back in the day.

As three great Jewels they were in form. But not until the End, when Fëanor shall return who perished ere the Sun was made, and sits now in the Halls of Awaiting and comes no more among his kin; not until the Sun passes and the Moon falls, shall it be known of what substance they were made. Like the crystal of diamonds it appeared, and yet was more strong than adamant, so that no violence could mar it or break it within the Kingdom of Arda.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 17 2013, 6:59pm


Views: 854
Did I hear an Amen?

I've noticed that, too! It's crazy to see so much interest in here. I'm quite enjoying it. Hopefully it'll just continue to grow over the next few years as we get more posters because of DOS and TABA.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 17 2013, 7:11pm


Views: 842
I so agree, both with the interest and the future


In Reply To
I've noticed that, too! It's crazy to see so much interest in here. I'm quite enjoying it. Hopefully it'll just continue to grow over the next few years as we get more posters because of DOS and TABA.




...and hope for the same. I *love* the films, and splash about in TH quite a bit; but deep at the bottom of it all is that hope that like a trial of savory bread-crumbs the films will lead so many new fans to the texts, and discoveries therein. So I too am hoping for the same, especially since I see we are nearing the 5-digit member mark and we still have two films to go.

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


noWizardme
Half-elven


Apr 17 2013, 7:19pm


Views: 836
When to run that poll then? Now, or not yet? //

 

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....


Finwe
Lorien


Apr 17 2013, 7:21pm


Views: 842
Can I get a Halleluiah?

I especially enjoy the Reading Room section of these boards as I live in a rural area, so unlike some metropolitan areas, there's not exactly a large number of book clubs, much less ones that specialize in Tolkien. Without you guys and gals, I'd be discussing Feanor and Manwe with myself in a padded cell.

As three great Jewels they were in form. But not until the End, when Fëanor shall return who perished ere the Sun was made, and sits now in the Halls of Awaiting and comes no more among his kin; not until the Sun passes and the Moon falls, shall it be known of what substance they were made. Like the crystal of diamonds it appeared, and yet was more strong than adamant, so that no violence could mar it or break it within the Kingdom of Arda.


Finwe
Lorien


Apr 17 2013, 7:25pm


Views: 836
I would suggest waiting till we get closer to the end

As we continue with our Silmarillion discussion, we may gain in participants who would like to voice their opinion on our next endeavor. Also, we may find ourselves enmeshed in a discussion centered around info from one of the supplementary texts so enticing that we want to dive into that text next. Just a thought.

As three great Jewels they were in form. But not until the End, when Fëanor shall return who perished ere the Sun was made, and sits now in the Halls of Awaiting and comes no more among his kin; not until the Sun passes and the Moon falls, shall it be known of what substance they were made. Like the crystal of diamonds it appeared, and yet was more strong than adamant, so that no violence could mar it or break it within the Kingdom of Arda.


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 17 2013, 7:32pm


Views: 841
we should

 
create a poll to ask when we should run the poll.


cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


Finwe
Lorien


Apr 17 2013, 7:39pm


Views: 841
I think

We should create a poll to ask if we should create a poll about when to create a poll. Laugh

As three great Jewels they were in form. But not until the End, when Fëanor shall return who perished ere the Sun was made, and sits now in the Halls of Awaiting and comes no more among his kin; not until the Sun passes and the Moon falls, shall it be known of what substance they were made. Like the crystal of diamonds it appeared, and yet was more strong than adamant, so that no violence could mar it or break it within the Kingdom of Arda.


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 17 2013, 7:42pm


Views: 835
now yer talkin'

 
... of course it's jibberish... but i have already established i am fluent in jibber, so i understand.

cheers : )


.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


Finwe
Lorien


Apr 17 2013, 7:45pm


Views: 829
Let's see

Nate Silver correctly predict the results of our ToRN polls, Mac!

As three great Jewels they were in form. But not until the End, when Fëanor shall return who perished ere the Sun was made, and sits now in the Halls of Awaiting and comes no more among his kin; not until the Sun passes and the Moon falls, shall it be known of what substance they were made. Like the crystal of diamonds it appeared, and yet was more strong than adamant, so that no violence could mar it or break it within the Kingdom of Arda.


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 17 2013, 7:47pm


Views: 829
you get geek points for referencing nate silver

 
... or a pony. your pick.


cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 17 2013, 7:58pm


Views: 824
The written word

You're right. The discoveries of Tolkien's written work are far and wide and deep. The depth and breadth and width of his Middle-earth are so far-reaching. While the films are often brilliant, Tolkien's written words are simply stunning and breathtaking. I wish more people would see this.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 17 2013, 8:00pm


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Same here

I don't ever talk to anyone in RL about Tolkien. And really, even if I did, the conversations would never be as deep or far-reaching as these.

"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." -Arwen


CuriousG
Half-elven


Apr 17 2013, 8:13pm


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I think Finwe is right about waiting on the poll.

But I also like the idea about having a discussion about taking a poll on when to give the poll. We can't be sloppy about such things, and need as much foresight as possible. We should also have a post-poll to see if people agree with poll. And maybe do a simultaneous poll on the usefulness of polling. Let's see if we can crash this site with our whimsy.


(This post was edited by CuriousG on Apr 17 2013, 8:18pm)


sador
Half-elven


Apr 18 2013, 6:38am


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Thank you.

Reading that thread is for me a bit of nostalgia - remembering all the people who used to fill this room and make it my online home - a.s., batik, Curious, Darkstone, Dreamdeer, N.E. Brigand... of the Intimidating Fellowship, only Beren IV and FarFromHome did not participate in it.
But I am still far from being this Room's eldest member (TORnwise, of course). Both squire and Elizabeth post here often enough, and they preceded me by a couple of generations - and dernwyn was also a prominent member of the RR in the Old Boards (which I wasn't), but seems to be, alas, overwhelmed now by her moderating work.

It's wonderful and heartwarming to see the RR rejuvenated, teeming with activity and full of new, interesting people to discourse with; but for me, it is likely to never be the same.


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 18 2013, 10:52am


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and

 
"...and to cuivienen there is no returning."


no, it will not be the same. even if all the old guard were here,and even if we remove the new voices (which would include mine), it would still not be the same. things change over time, and that is inevitable.

but what new happinesses are to be had in conversations yet unfolded and friendships yet unflowered? time will tell.

i would not interfere in the mourning anyone might have for a special place with meaningful memories. most of us have lamentations like that for something in the past.

but i'm glad that anyone, newly awakened to the reading room or of its old guard, can find pleasure in words, and people, and (of course) tolkien. thank you, to all, for making this a special place now.


cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel