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AUJ through the eyes of eager children



Roheryn
Tol Eressea

Apr 6 2013, 11:35pm


Views: 1786
AUJ through the eyes of eager children

My young boys (Eldarion, age 7, and Little Eldarion, age 5) just had their first chance to watch AUJ (with a fair few bits censored, of course). They’ve REALLY been looking forward to getting to see it and were utterly wriggly with excitement. I thought I’d share some of their reactions; it’s easy for us old folk to forget what it might be like to see the movie through the eyes of children. I’ve read the book straight through once with them about six months ago (they loved it), and we’ve read parts of it a number of times since then.

With just one exception (where I pointed out Fili’s shovel), everything they said was spontaneous and unsolicited. NZ Toddler (19 months) joined us for parts and was apparently riveted too – she also had a couple of comments.

Little Eldarion (LE) got out his Hobbit Movie book as the Dwarves started arriving at Bag End so that he could easily match names and faces.

Eldarion (E), in shock, of Dwalin: “He’s eating Bilbo’s dinner!”

LE, also of Dwalin: “Dwalin was so naughty when he ate Bilbo’s dinner!”

E, in shock again, of the Dwarves in Bag End: “They’re having a food fight!”

NZ Toddler (NZT), seeing the massive feast set out by the Dwarves: *gigglegigglegiggle* She loves food!

Both boys laughed at the belching.

The boys spent a good minute discussing with each other whether they themselves would go on the Adventure, if they could. (They both agreed yes, they would.)

Both boys LOVE Bilbo’s excitement as he runs through Hobbiton. They also LOVE the bunny sled, every time it’s on screen.

NZT, on seeing the bunny sled: *gigglegigglegigglegiggle*

E, after Galadriel tells Gandalf “If you should ever need my help, I will come”: “I wonder how THAT magic works?”

E, on Fili’s shovel (seen on his back after they leave Rivendell): “Oh, it must be for shovelling snow – look at all that snow in the mountains!”

E, on seeing Bilbo’s sword glowing blue for the first time, just after the heart-to-heart with Bofur: “OH MY GOODNESS! It’s glowing blue!”

E, on the first bits of Goblin-town: “This is actually not so scary.” And then: “These goblins are not good builders, I can tell.”

E, on the Great Goblin: “His chin makes him look like he has a beard!”

E, when Thorin hugs Bilbo: a very sincere “Awwwwww…”

E, on the first view of the distant Lonely Mountain: “Wow! There it is!”

E, after the Dwarves see the thrush: “I think it was a sign too. Durin’s Day must be coming near!”

And then, when Smaug’s nose blows out of the mound of treasure: Both boys JUMPED.

******

My general observation was that they got a little bored or fidgety with the talky bits – the character moments that most of us older folk love so much. But any scene with more movement and less talking held their attention well. They were also captivated with Riddles in the Dark, and even the Pity of Bilbo scene.

And this brings me to a point I’ve seen made before: a lot of the bits I’ve seen most complained about here appealed greatly to my boys. I think PJ’s actually done a fabulous job of appealing to a very wide audience.




Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 6 2013, 11:43pm


Views: 1032
this is fantastic

 
thanks so much for sharing. : )

"for snow" --- awesome.


cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


tarasaurus
Rohan


Apr 6 2013, 11:45pm


Views: 1013
Priceless

This is absolutely adorable, thanks for the new perspective! Those are bright little children. I don't have kids myself, but for them to remember hearing "Durin's Day" and know its relevance (pleasantly) surprises me! Smile


Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Apr 6 2013, 11:49pm


Views: 1010
How wonderful!

What a great perspective! I love how "E" and "LE" are shocked at Dwalin's table manners (or lack thereof)! But my favorite part is "gigglegigglegiggle" Smile

'"Never laugh at live dragons, Bilbo you fool!" he said to himself, and it became a favourite saying of his later, and passed into a proverb.'


GiantMushroomBear
Bree

Apr 7 2013, 12:02am


Views: 1060
We've seen a thread like this before.

When one must use their children's reactions as an argument vouching for the quality of a film, it comes off as an exploitative last-ditch attempt. Kids also liked the Smurfs.
Not saying it's a bad film--I quite liked The Hobbit, despite my troll posts in which I completely bash it. But don't think that the opinions of young children are more valuable than educated professionals who know film. Even when you don't share their opinions.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 12:12am


Views: 1037
Do you mean the 80s cartoon or the 2011 movie?

I used to enjoy the Smurfs back in the day. It was one of the only medieval-ly, fantasy shows around back then. Can't vouch for the movie though... the poster with Papa Smurf front and centre wearing Wayfarers and his arms crossed killed any chance I would see it.

By the way, the rest of your post is rubbish, and not very nice.


Mybear
Bree

Apr 7 2013, 12:20am


Views: 1015
you named your children eldarion and little eldarion?

is that for real or just a joke? Unimpressed


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Apr 7 2013, 12:21am


Views: 985
Lets us appoint children to the academy

Cool

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Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Apr 7 2013, 12:21am


Views: 993
Children's praise of AUJ is the highest praise of all

The Hobbit was written for children, and to ignore them as an audience would be a great disservice to Tolkien's legacy. PJ had to walk a fine line in making the movies appeal to adults (the paying audience) as well as children, the original intended audience. Those who were expecting another LoTR or perhaps a movie based on video games may be disappointed, as The Lord of the Rings is the grown-up continuation of the childhood of The Hobbit. In this case, children are as much professionals here as "educated" adults, and I feel their opinions are just as valid.

And yes, there have been other threads on this subject--including one I started way back in the good old days (OK, January), that you might consider giving a read. It may not change your mind--and that is cool! All opinions are welcome--but I still feel it is valid.

http://newboards.theonering.net/...?post=565575;#565575

'"Never laugh at live dragons, Bilbo you fool!" he said to himself, and it became a favourite saying of his later, and passed into a proverb.'


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Apr 7 2013, 12:24am


Views: 985
Well,

SW is intended for kids...

A kid i know thinks episode 1 is the best film in the world...

Tongue

Vous commencez à m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


GiantMushroomBear
Bree

Apr 7 2013, 12:28am


Views: 1013
SirDennis:


In Reply To
I used to enjoy the Smurfs back in the day. It was one of the only medieval-ly, fantasy shows around back then. Can't vouch for the movie though... the poster with Papa Smurf front and centre wearing Wayfarers and his arms crossed killed any chance I would see it.

By the way, the rest of your post is rubbish, and not very nice.


I meant the film.
And I didn't intend to come off so unkind--AUJ is geared towards kids, so I get that kids will love it. I just feel that some people on this forum try way too hard to convince each other how fantastically sublime this movie is, whether it'd be pointing out small details that nobody will notice, bad-mouthing critics for their opinions, or in this case, using children's reactions as an argument. It comes off as desperate.


tarasaurus
Rohan


Apr 7 2013, 12:45am


Views: 953
I see what you did there...

*shakes fist*

Laugh


Escapist
Gondor


Apr 7 2013, 12:46am


Views: 958
If kids like it then it is a good kids movie.

I believe TH:AUJ was aiming for a slightly broader audience than just kids. Maybe also overgrown kids. EvilAngelic


Marionette
Rohan


Apr 7 2013, 12:47am


Views: 944
The complexity of doing a film for all ages

I know.
It's more complex and difficult than we think.

Yeah, the most of people forget about there are quite different minds watching these movies (children, for example)

And
Certain age group is totally underrated, as I said in other post, these days media are not interested in children or elders as target, the media is filled with stuff only likeable to young adults, mostly.

Even movies like this, based on a tale basically written for children, tries to be less "childish" to be well received (successfully) by people of all ages and to me those are the best films. :)
They will be always the best films, and I mean that can incliude some best Oscar winners, the quality of a film also mean everybody can see that film and get something from that film..

No need to add disturbibg stuff and make the film R or more to be "mature", to have "quality", to when you can tell exactly the same story without the need of feeding young people's desire for "raw" scenes...
Because yeah, that's pretty much a matter of. very young, less sensitive people taste.

The Hobbit to me have a complex story to be considered a children tale (Narnia book are more likely to be childish) but it's very well balanced, so is the movie. I believe the first movie will be the most "slow" of the three, and comparing to LOTR way more easy for children to follow the story


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Ataahua
Forum Admin / Moderator


Apr 7 2013, 1:06am


Views: 953
They're as real as Roheryn's name.

Roheryn is married to TORN board member NZStrider, hence the nicknames of their sons.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Ataahua
Forum Admin / Moderator


Apr 7 2013, 1:07am


Views: 948
Roheryn, on seeing Thorin: *gigglegigglegigglegiggle*

;)

That was a delightful retelling, Ro. I have no children of that age around me and I enjoyed seeing moments of the film through their eyes (and I'm impressed they sat through such a long movie!).

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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SirDennisC
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 1:08am


Views: 982
Aight --

I see what you're saying, but It seems to me we ought not to call each other desperate, or whatever... nor to guess at each other's motives for starting a thread.

Some like the movie and every little thing about it; some hate everything about it; and then there's everyone in between. Sharing opinions, info, and observations about the movie is what this forum is for -- and it's all good, as long as we treat each other with respect.


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 1:10am


Views: 923
I love hearing the whole age spectrum story Ro!

And thank you for posting it! Heart

And the enjoyment of children is highly relevant because that is how we gain more fans as those children grow and are exposed to meaningful fantasy in first film and then perhaps someday text. They don't have to get it all for it to be of value- just what works for them at their time in life. It does NOT however stand to any measure of reason to presume that because children enjoy a film it somehow can be used as a cudgel to denigrate it.

So I love hearing about the excitement and the wriggling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found it a lot in my theater views as well, and even talked to quite a number of younger viewers who were happy and enthusiastic!
Angelic

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 1:12am


Views: 989
I'm sorry to say that I feel I must respond.

 I don't feel that we are trying to use our children or the excitement of younger fans to 'convince' ourselves of how 'sublime' the film is. We don't HAVE to convince ourselves. We DO enjoy it, we enjoy sharing our joy in it, and I do not feel that purel;y because we here on TORn are polite in the face of repeated and uninvited negativity in what is a joyful OP that somehow we should not have the prerogative to be happy.

If sharing in that happiness represents a burden to some than my polite suggestion would be to curse roundly in your own home to your hearts content and avoid posting comments that are completely and thoroughly unrelated to the film and create and atmosphere of hostility which I am afraid I must say has no place on TORn.

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Apr 7 2013, 1:22am


Views: 906
I'm so glad they saw it!

I guess this means that your copy of the movie has finally arrived - and that's good news. Smile

I can just hear E and LE talking about the movie as they watch. How cute that they got their book out so they could match the characters.

And NZ Toddler - laughing! I can hear her. Smile

Maybe they'll be able to watch the scary bits soon so they can see the whole movie start to finish.


Starling
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 1:25am


Views: 949
Now that

is a brilliant suggestion right there:
'...curse roundly in your own home to your heart's content'

And hooray for joy, in all its forms. Smile



Roheryn
Tol Eressea

Apr 7 2013, 1:25am


Views: 925
Well, actually, no. I think L Ron Halfelven gets the credit for that.

I did name myself Roheryn, though. (But actually I've been rethinking that. What's the name of Thorin's pony?)

And little NZ Toddler? She's named after her father.


entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Apr 7 2013, 1:26am


Views: 926
Maybe, Ro

was just sharing her children's reactions because they are just as valid as the reaction of an "adult"? I disagree that their opinions are less valuable than those of so-called educated adults - their reactions are equally valuable. Educated people know that there is something to learn from everyone, no matter the age.


Starling
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 1:32am


Views: 978
Did someone say 'Thorin' and 'pony'?




Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 1:34am


Views: 907
***clinking to joy, Starling***

Lovely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SmileAngelic

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


Roheryn
Tol Eressea

Apr 7 2013, 1:37am


Views: 382
So are they!

There was a bit of revolt before dinner last night, as dinner interrupted our viewing! I've never seen them so excited about anything, actually. Except maybe Christmas.

And, alas, the excitement continued over through this morning. At 6:30 am -- on a SUNDAY morning, well before dawn, Little Eldarion bursts into our bedroom: "MOMMY! MOMMY! CAN WE WATCH THE HOBBIT AGAIN?!?!??" So, with some wry amusement I rolled out of bed and we started Viewing #2 at about 6:35 am. I do love my Thorin fix, but can't we wait til the sun's up?

The bits that get censored are the Battle of Azanulbizar, Gollum with the half, then fully, dead Orc; some of Goblin-town (just too much fighting); and Thorin's fight with Azog at the end. I think those parts are too intense for them, especially the Battle of A., and Gollum with the Orc. This does mean I have to stay close by with the remote!

And that book that LE got out was the one you gave him. Smile


Roheryn
Tol Eressea

Apr 7 2013, 1:38am


Views: 418
Oh, and their favorite Dwarf:

A unanimous vote for Nori. Both boys love his starfish hairdo and try to pick him out in every scene!


Roheryn
Tol Eressea

Apr 7 2013, 1:42am


Views: 398
*sprffflllggrffff*

ROFL, Starling!

Now that's a set I just might have to buy for NZ Toddler. Not sure she'd get to play with it, though. Wink


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 1:42am


Views: 388
nori

 
nori is also one of my favorite dwarves. which says something, because he hardly says anything. i think jed brophy is quite expressive with his eyes (much of this while they were sitting at the bag end dining table) and i +love+ the strange-ish noises he makes (like when he gets up from his back in goblin town, and when he skewers a goblin through a ladder in goblin town).

wow. would have loved it if i had parents cool enough to give me a tolkien name.

cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


Roheryn
Tol Eressea

Apr 7 2013, 1:59am


Views: 398
*in best Obi-wan voice*

This isn't the thread you are looking for. Move along, move along.

When I get my next Ph.D., I'll make sure I get it in something to do with film so that I'm entitled to have an opinion that counts.

Meanwhile, I'll continue to love the movie, and I expect the next two to come also, and enjoy sharing them with my kids.

*glug*


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 2:10am


Views: 386
Entirely agreed. If it had lost too much of the childlike wonderment,

and been as dreary to children as a National Geographic documentary (for the average child at least), then it would have failed in many ways as an adaptation of the Hobbit, even had it won an Academy award.

In Reply To
The Hobbit was written for children, and to ignore them as an audience would be a great disservice to Tolkien's legacy. PJ had to walk a fine line in making the movies appeal to adults (the paying audience) as well as children, the original intended audience. Those who were expecting another LoTR or perhaps a movie based on video games may be disappointed, as The Lord of the Rings is the grown-up continuation of the childhood of The Hobbit. In this case, children are as much professionals here as "educated" adults, and I feel their opinions are just as valid.

And yes, there have been other threads on this subject--including one I started way back in the good old days (OK, January), that you might consider giving a read. It may not change your mind--and that is cool! All opinions are welcome--but I still feel it is valid.

http://newboards.theonering.net/...?post=565575;#565575


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Old Toby
Grey Havens


Apr 7 2013, 2:16am


Views: 378
I disagree

I think the opinions of young children are far more valuable than 'educated professionals who know film'. As if we need to be instructed as to how to see a movie on our own and make our own judgments. Pffft! (I obviously rank film critics between algae and plankton on the evolutionary scale)Tongue I realize others don't. So be it.

"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)


entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Apr 7 2013, 2:18am


Views: 361
*gigglegigglegiggle*

I'm laughing like NZ Toddler at the thought of your boys with their books. And LE getting everyone out of bed on Sunday morning CoolCoolCoolCool.


entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Apr 7 2013, 2:20am


Views: 367
There's a staffer here

who named his son "Strider". That's his legal first name.


Old Toby
Grey Havens


Apr 7 2013, 2:21am


Views: 359
ROTFL!! You have left me speechless!!

Cool

"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 2:24am


Views: 380
that is awesome.


In Reply To
who named his son "Strider". That's his legal first name.


that is awesome. perhaps that staffer can adopt me.


cheers -.

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


Barrow-Wight
Rohan

Apr 7 2013, 2:24am


Views: 346
Awesome!

I watched the film with my nephews and niece a while back they loved it here's the link if you want to read it

http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_collapsed;


Roheryn
Tol Eressea

Apr 7 2013, 2:29am


Views: 433
Tra, la, la la la laaah, tra la la la laaaah...

Smurfette drove me nuts. But the show had some merit.

Now, tell me, SirD, did you think Gargamel and Azrael were adequate foils for Papa Smurf, and what inspiration have you drawn over the years from Papa Smurf's leadership qualities? Were Clumsy and Brainy adequately characterized, or were they too clichéd? And would anyone have screamed at Smurfette's introduction if she turned out in fact to be male? Ah, the big questions in life...


Roheryn
Tol Eressea

Apr 7 2013, 2:39am


Views: 380
*gigglegigglegiggle*

Now I know where she learned that. Wink

And Ro, upon NZS sitting down next to her after the boys had gone to bed, and then trying to start a lengthy discussion on the eight different forms of the genitive in High German right as Thorin was walking in to Bag End: *THWAP*

I was actually impressed that both boys stayed awake -- it was long after their bedtime when we finished -- but they did, with continued great enthusiasm!


Kelvarhin
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 2:57am


Views: 371
There's also a message boarder

who named his son Beren Cool

Bag ENZ Home of the Hobbit *with thanks to cameragod ;D*


One by one they faded, and fell into shadow...

One book to rule them all
One book to find them
One book to bring them all
And in TORn bind them
In the land of TORnadoes...where the brilliant play



Ataahua
Forum Admin / Moderator


Apr 7 2013, 2:57am


Views: 342
The man should know better!


In Reply To
... trying to start a lengthy discussion on the eight different forms of the genitive in High German right as Thorin was walking in to Bag End:


If he didn't know it before, he'll certainly know it now: Anytime Thorin is on screen is Quiet Time - don't even breathe loudly. Any breaking of this rule would require said rule-breaker to speak during the next hour only while standing in the Thorin Remembering pose.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Thorins_apprentice
Rohan


Apr 7 2013, 2:57am


Views: 350
It's great your kids liked it.

But i don't think Peter Jackson aimed it at children.In an interview he said it's very much a childrens book, but he changed it for a broader audience(adults).I think you shouldn't take them to the next two movies because the themes are much darker and more violent as Phillipa boyens stated in an interview.Wink

“I found out that when ‘The Hobbit’ was published, it was considered strictly children’s material,” Jackson says. “I think a generation of adults has since allowed themselves to become more childlike — in a positive way, the inner-child syndrome.”
Jackson says that despite the story being geared toward children, there are elements that seem intended for adults, and that’s what helps the film succeed. - Peter Jackson

"Who is the audience? It is very distinctly different, tonally, to ‘Lord of the Rings’ until the very end and then you begin to see the world of Middle-earth opening up… but, having said that, we felt that it is the same audience [who will come to see the films" (Adults) - Phillipa Boyens

"I think, was written for Tolkien’s children, but when you’re creating a piece on this scale, you have to really visualize it for a much broader audience and I think you have to invest those characters with the same gravity as if you were making a piece for adults." - Richard Armitage

"I think the thing we decided is that it’s not Lord of the Rings; it’s got its own charm and a degree of humor and character quirkiness that Lord of the Rings doesn’t. Lord of the Rings is very somber, so we wanted to make a different kind of film really. But, we didn’t want to make it as much of a children’s film, so we used a lot of material from the appendices."

So ther you have it, from the horses mouth.It is not geared towards children.Wink

We are more connected than ever before, more able to spread our ideas and beliefs, our anger and fears. As we exercise the right to advocate our views, and as we animate our supporters, we must all assume responsibility for our words and actions before they enter a vast echo chamber and reach those both serious and delirious, connected and unhinged.



(This post was edited by Thorins_apprentice on Apr 7 2013, 3:01am)


Kelvarhin
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 3:01am


Views: 320
Love their reactions Ro!

I was amazed my 9 year old made it through the movie twice at the cinema.

And both times when it finished he got up from his seat and yelled out "That was AWESOME!" with the biggest smile on his face. EvilHeart

He and his brothers and their friends have watched it several times at home now. And of course I have to keep an eye on things too WinkCool

Bag ENZ Home of the Hobbit *with thanks to cameragod ;D*


One by one they faded, and fell into shadow...

One book to rule them all
One book to find them
One book to bring them all
And in TORn bind them
In the land of TORnadoes...where the brilliant play



Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 3:05am


Views: 349
just as long as no one


In Reply To
who named his son Beren Cool


just as long as no parents name their child "melkor."

right now i'm imagining the principal's office at an elementary school populated with kids having tolkienesque names.

teacher's aide 1: "that thingol is always bossing the other kids around."

teacher's aide 2: "well, it doesn't help that feanor always thinks he's right."

teacher's aide 3: "when galadriel acts up, just take away her toys. she'll settle down."


cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 3:19am


Views: 341
Yeah, Smurfette -- argh

Obviously she's the reason for all this Tauriel business. It seemed like every episode was about her! She pretty much killed the franchise... "I hate franchise killers," as Grouchy would say.

I didn't identify with Papa Smurf all that much -- daddy issues I guess.

On the other hand, I loved Gargamel and Azrael; they were great villains, what with the gloomy castle and all that magic infused medieval technology. I could never figure out if Gargamel actually intended to eat the Smurfs, or if he was just saying it to be mean. Azrael seemed a bigger threat, being a cat, with cat reflexes. Oh, and I loved all the catchphrases... and the exploding presents from Jokey... yeah, good times.

Laugh


Starling
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 3:29am


Views: 313
Well,

I know a man named 'Sauron'. It's a creative spelling version, but anyone who knows LOTR would recognise it. Crazy


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 3:35am


Views: 360
question is...


In Reply To
I know a man named 'Sauron'. It's a creative spelling version, but anyone who knows LOTR would recognise it. Crazy


....question is... did he ever give you any jewelry? if so, return it +at once+.

cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


Starling
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 3:46am


Views: 334
Actually, he did!

He was best man at my wedding, true story.
"Bring forth the ring..." Laugh


Roheryn
Tol Eressea

Apr 7 2013, 4:03am


Views: 318
At least we didn't do that!

Of course, NZ Toddler's real life middle name is Elanor. She's named after the flower. Not many people will get the reference, but it's good enough for me. Smile


swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Apr 7 2013, 4:03am


Views: 313
wonderful seeing their reactions...

thanks for sharing!

While there is certainly a place to be Siskell and Ebert, and advance the art of filmaking, there is also a time to simply enjoy the tale.

It is also a wonderful thing to lay aside the calculating Adult Brain and see the world fresh and new and wonderful.

Which is probably why I generally go see "kids' movies", at least what looks like it might be of some quality (Croods, yes, Oz NO!).

Go outside and play...


Thorins_apprentice
Rohan


Apr 7 2013, 4:10am


Views: 421
Are you referring to The Hobbit as a kids movie bro.

It's quite obviously not a kids movie, when their parents have to cover their eyes, every so often.Evil

We are more connected than ever before, more able to spread our ideas and beliefs, our anger and fears. As we exercise the right to advocate our views, and as we animate our supporters, we must all assume responsibility for our words and actions before they enter a vast echo chamber and reach those both serious and delirious, connected and unhinged.



(This post was edited by Thorins_apprentice on Apr 7 2013, 4:13am)


Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Apr 7 2013, 4:43am


Views: 442
Excellent point, Brethil

Today's children are tomorrows adults.

In Reply To
And the enjoyment of children is highly relevant because that is how we gain more fans as those children grow and are exposed to meaningful fantasy in first film and then perhaps someday text.


'"Never laugh at live dragons, Bilbo you fool!" he said to himself, and it became a favourite saying of his later, and passed into a proverb.'


Roheryn
Tol Eressea

Apr 7 2013, 4:49am


Views: 414
Why must we label it, sis?

Or maybe I should ask what a "kids movie bro" is? Just curious.

Wink


Thorins_apprentice
Rohan


Apr 7 2013, 4:52am


Views: 416
Nah,bro talking to swordhale not you.

Wink Bro the hobbit isn't a kids movie man, seriously getting fed up with people saying it is.The first one was lighter in tone (and even then not really) and the next two will be darker in tone and more perilous.

We are more connected than ever before, more able to spread our ideas and beliefs, our anger and fears. As we exercise the right to advocate our views, and as we animate our supporters, we must all assume responsibility for our words and actions before they enter a vast echo chamber and reach those both serious and delirious, connected and unhinged.



(This post was edited by Thorins_apprentice on Apr 7 2013, 5:00am)


Roheryn
Tol Eressea

Apr 7 2013, 5:03am


Views: 447
Oh, agreed. Tauriel surely draws some inspiration from Smurfette.

I bet PJ spent a long time studying Smurfette as he developed Tauriel's character. Both a bit controversial, quite attractive, living in a world where everyone else seems to be male...

And, upon reflection, I suspect Grouchy Smurf has had some influence on Thorin's characterization in AUJ. Obviously, since both are grouchy, and blue (well, Thorin doesn't have blue skin, he just wears blue).

I always wanted Azrael to eat a Smurf.


Thorins_apprentice
Rohan


Apr 7 2013, 5:07am


Views: 391
Narnia is not the Hobbit.

The Hobbit isn't kid friendly like Narnia.Parents feel inclined to take their children to see the hobbit and that's up to them, but the intentional audience were always adults, otherwise PJ wouldn't have done it, he said so himself.It's not freaking well Narnia and it is an insult to be compared to it.PJ does NOT make movies for children.Even the lovely bones, wasn't a children story.Evil

We are more connected than ever before, more able to spread our ideas and beliefs, our anger and fears. As we exercise the right to advocate our views, and as we animate our supporters, we must all assume responsibility for our words and actions before they enter a vast echo chamber and reach those both serious and delirious, connected and unhinged.



(This post was edited by Thorins_apprentice on Apr 7 2013, 5:08am)


Angharad73
Rohan


Apr 7 2013, 7:20am


Views: 333
Ah, you know...

Names don't surprise me anymore. There is a nine-year old girl called Arwen at my daughter's school. And a friend of mine recently met little Aragorn at toddler playgroup.

Now, I guessed that Eldarion and Little Eldarion were not the real names of Ro's children... But you never know...Wink


Roheryn
Tol Eressea

Apr 7 2013, 7:24am


Views: 353
I remember once in high school

trying to explain to a couple of classmates what I thought was wrong with "growing up": that it was really sad when grownups lost their sense of childlike wonderment. My classmates turned their noses up and said they had no idea what I was talking about. I realized they'd already lost it.

You're absolutely right, that any adaptation of The Hobbit should maintain a sense of childlike wonderment. I think PJ has done just that.

Have to say, though, that my boys really enjoy nature documentaries... Smile


Roheryn
Tol Eressea

Apr 7 2013, 7:35am


Views: 359
Ah, sis, guess I was eavesdropping.

There's a hobbit named Bro? Woman, I must have missed him.

Pretty sure no one in this thread, including swordwhale, has suggested AUJ is a kids' movie. It has elements that kids can enjoy, and frankly, I find it much better fare (with parts censored in age-appropriate ways if necessary) than many offerings for kids these days.

Yes, the next two should be progressively darker, and that's as it should be.


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 9:19am


Views: 341
although i know, technically...

 
although i know, technically, i'm an adult, it has always seemed weird to be referred to by that title. whatever is childlike within me is still very much alive and kicking.

which is probably why i read almost as much juvenile fiction as adult. and i reread books like the chronicles of narnia frequently (more than once a year).

rereading is an interesting topic in and of itself.

for me -- specifically regarding juvenile books -- i reread because there's a wonderful feeling one gets tapping into these stories. they're comforting. and if they're stories i read as a kid, i also invoke the pleasure and the emotions i had upon the first read.

reading the harry potter books as an adult was pretty close to the experience i had reading as a child. not wanting to put the book down. just being in happy land as i read.

when i watched (and rewatched) thauj in theaters, often there were kids. some seeing it for the first time (even in february/march). +such+ a pleasure hearing their joyful experiences.


cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


Maciliel
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 9:22am


Views: 325
in the name of elbereth


Quote
Actually, he did! [In reply to] Quote | Reply To This Post
He was best man at my wedding, true story.
"Bring forth the ring..."


.... that is +funny+!!!!


cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel


elaen32
Gondor

Apr 7 2013, 9:22am


Views: 337
ssplabwahahat!!

Oh dear, screen covered in toast crumbs! This is a great summing up of the vital issues on this board (lol).
I thought your kids'reactions were great. We forget the wonder experienced by children at our peril. Now I'm going off to have a word with Starling about that MLP set.....

"Beneath the roof of sleeping leaves the dreams of trees unfold"


elaen32
Gondor

Apr 7 2013, 9:29am


Views: 321
Very cute..

( Thorin, not the pony!) Now, if only I knew some young enough kids to pretend to be buying it for....Wink
Thanks for making me smile Starling Cool

"Beneath the roof of sleeping leaves the dreams of trees unfold"


Bombadil
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 12:40pm


Views: 331
Bomby has sum Movie Creed?

B.S. Radio Television, Film (Film Emphasis)
University of Tulsa 1972
Shot TV News daily for3 years for 3 Affliates.

The past 12 years been a Union Stagehand on Shows:
Huge Arena Rock& Roll, Massive Industry Conventions,
even Obama's Democratic Convention in Denver 2008.
( Bomby helped to build the Platform that He and the Winners stood on?)

Operas, Ballets, Road Shows...Worked on "Lion King" for Months, "Phantom". 3 Times?
IT would take an Entire page here to list...
Sooo...
Maybe, jus' maybe Bomby knows Film?
? Huh? MAYBE?

Now, on Children,
Bomby was 35 and Goldberry was 44 in 1985...
Goldberry would have been 73 this last December if Luekemia hadn't GOT IN the way?
But we did name our Cats
Aragorn & Arwen...

Ro, Bomby (& Goldberry) sends a great HUG and Kisses to all around you from Valinor...)

TB&G


elaen32
Gondor

Apr 7 2013, 12:49pm


Views: 281
Hi Bomby. Was this reply meant for Ro?

That's a really impressive and interesting career you've had BTW. Wow, bet you have a few stories to tell!

"Beneath the roof of sleeping leaves the dreams of trees unfold"


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Apr 7 2013, 12:51pm


Views: 316
Ha!

Did you? Tongue

" Puts on Jar Jar mask and lalalalalas tarasaurus with gungan tongue" Sly


Escapist : right. When you grow up, you can still have great affection for the film you fell in love with as a child, although now, you can certainly see its flaws and it doesnt quite capture your imagination as it did.

Overgrown kids, are the cutest kids ...AngelicTongue

Vous commencez à m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


triptrap
Lorien

Apr 7 2013, 12:58pm


Views: 276
Hehe

"E, on the first bits of Goblin-town: “This is actually not so scary.” And then: “These goblins are not good builders, I can tell.”

He got a point there^^


dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Apr 7 2013, 1:13pm


Views: 314
Thank you for the link!

I think it's good to keep posting the reactions of children, just to remind us that this is The Hobbit - and it was written for children, and PJ et al have tried to preserve some of that. Smile


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"I desired dragons with a profound desire"






(This post was edited by dernwyn on Apr 7 2013, 1:28pm)


Luinnár
Rivendell

Apr 7 2013, 2:07pm


Views: 267
Thanks for sharing!

It reminds me of when I got to see the LOTR for the first time... I was only 4 and the Gollum part scared me so much that it took me almost a year before I would watch that part again. Laugh


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 2:13pm


Views: 268
You were 4...?

Great, now I feel old Frown

(I was 12)


(This post was edited by QuackingTroll on Apr 7 2013, 2:20pm)


Bombadil
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 2:15pm


Views: 266
Yes! This Reply WAS for RO and her Kids..BUT?

Also a Reply to Mushroom,

since Apparently he is feels he is
All-Knowing about Film...

Bomby is Not All-Knowing about Film
even Now after 40 of being in the
ShowBusiness Industry..


Luinnár
Rivendell

Apr 7 2013, 2:23pm


Views: 269
Are there really

not that many people in my age group on this website?
...I never felt comfortable with talking to other teens anyway.Wink


Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 2:35pm


Views: 274
If it helps

I was 19 when FOTR came out.



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QuackingTroll
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 2:41pm


Views: 264
There are a few...

I was the same, never liked other teens. But I was younger than you when I first joined this forum (sometime during the Two Towers' release) and was probably the "young one" back then, only nerdy kids used the internet before Facebook happened... now the tables have turned, it's rather unnerving Crazy Next I'll be the 80 year old, ranting at the kids for comparing the smell-o-vision remake to PJ's original or I'll be moderator or something.

Time really flashes by, you better still be here in a few years so I can say "I told you so" Tongue


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 2:45pm


Views: 268
So.. if my math is right... you were 13 when the book was released?

Tongue When did you first join the forums, AD?


(This post was edited by QuackingTroll on Apr 7 2013, 2:55pm)


Luinnár
Rivendell

Apr 7 2013, 2:49pm


Views: 371
That would make you

about the same age as my sister Anna. It's nice to meet you, Arwen's daughter. And if anyone else is wondering, every teen that I have talked to enjoyed The Hobbit and is eagerly waiting for the next movie.


Bombadil
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 2:51pm


Views: 308
Bomby was 51 when "Fellowship" came out?

BUT..felt 17 again!
Read the 4 Books in 1967..

45 years is a LooongTime
to wait..... for LOTR
to be turned into
such Impressive
Films.

PJ is BOMBY"S HERO!


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 2:53pm


Views: 308
Currently at college in a class of 16 year olds and found the same thing

It seems to be a huge hit with the teens, which is great. Smile


Luinnár
Rivendell

Apr 7 2013, 3:05pm


Views: 346
I just hope

that they can learn to understand and appreciate the many morals that are in the movies and the books.
Ps. This is probably why I don't fit in with teens.Blush


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 3:11pm


Views: 328
60's... so you're a bit of a hippy then, Bomby?

My dad's a big Tolkien fan and must've read the books around the same time. He's still sports a beard and long hair, though much of it's falling out now Tongue

I envy your generation.


(This post was edited by QuackingTroll on Apr 7 2013, 3:12pm)


Magpie
Immortal


Apr 7 2013, 3:12pm


Views: 313
it does matter which post you hit reply on.

You hit reply to elaen32's post so it seemed as if you were talking to elaen32. That can be confusing to people trying to track who is talking to who. See screenshot below that illustrates how the indentations can track who is responding to who.



So, if you wanted to talk to Ro... you would hit reply on Ro's post, or whichever of her posts you were trying to address.

Not hitting reply on the proper post can be especially confusing when someone is addressing someone in particular. Like "I think your idea is flawed because ......"

If one wants to say that to MemberX, one need to hit reply to MemberX's post. If one hits reply on the last post displayed in flat mode, a reply made by MemberQ. Then it looks like one is saying MemberQ's idea is flawed.


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Glorfindela
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 3:26pm


Views: 271
Sense of wonder

I think the film appeals to many people of all ages, from children to the elderly.

On my frequent visits to the cinema to see The Hobbit, I've usually gone to daytime showings because I'm lucky enough to be working freelance, so can select the times I see films. I don't like going to cinemas when they are very crowded with families, so tend to go during the day. On those visits I've generally seen quite elderly people in the audience, including some who must be in their eighties. They clearly enjoy the film and even stay for the credits. On my last visit about three weeks ago, there were two very elegant ladies behind me who must have been in their eighties, and I was listening to their very enthusiastic comments about the film before they saw it (so they must have seen it before).

There are people who retain the 'sense of wonder' whatever their age, and I think it keeps them younger. My mother has it (she loves the Middle-Earth films and never carps on about faults). Equally, I know an older, well-known SF book critic, who is extremely well read and one of the most intelligent people I know (brilliant writer). He certainly has that 'sense of wonder' and can talk nineteen to the dozen about plots, writers and related matters in a very learned and enthusiastic way. I, for one, hope I never lose that sense of wonder, where you can just suspend disbelief and be transported to another world (don't think I will).

I do agree with you that well-balanced films like The Hobbit, which attract such a broad audience, are the best types of film produced today. Box-ticking films with those 'raw' scenes that you mention are of far less interest to me.


In Reply To
I know.
It's more complex and difficult than we think. Yeah, the most of people forget about there are quite different minds watching these movies.

And certain age group is totally underrated, as I said in other post, these days media are not interested in children or elders as target, the media is filled with stuff only likeable to young adults, mostly.

Even movies like this, based on a tale basically written for children, tries to be less "childish" to be well received (successfully) by people of all ages and to me those are the best films. :) They will be always the best films, and I mean that can incliude some best Oscar winners, the quality of a film also mean everybody can see that film and get something from that film..

No need to add disturbibg stuff and make the film R or more to be "mature", to have "quality", to when you can tell exactly the same story without the need of feeding young people's desire for "raw" scenes...
Because yeah, that's pretty much a matter of. very young, less sensitive people taste.



Elessar
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 3:36pm


Views: 269
Sense of Wonder

That's just one of the many things about Middle-earth that is amazing. What Tolkien created it just amazes you and pulls you in. For me it makes the world feel so real. I think you get that in Jackson's films and that's one of the reasons I love them so much. That's also one of the reasons I love my Middle-earth collection. It just helps bring it all home. :)



Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Apr 7 2013, 3:53pm


Views: 286
11-13 year olds


In Reply To
It seems to be a huge hit with the teens, which is great. Smile

I agree! I mentor a science and math program every year for middle school girls (ages 11-13), teaching them about how to use math and science skills with a hands-on archaeology demonstration. There are 3 workshops throughout the morning, and the first one starts at 8 AM. Sometimes it's hard to "break the ice" with a bunch of sleepy teenage girls in the first workshop, but this year I started out with "who has seen the Hobbit movie?" Half the group raised their hands, and immediately started talking about their favorite parts of the movie! One girl had the One Ring (not the real one!:) on a necklace that she had just gotten for her birthday, and was a great Tolkien fan and had read the books. I asked the same question for the following workshops, and got the same reaction both times!

'"Never laugh at live dragons, Bilbo you fool!" he said to himself, and it became a favourite saying of his later, and passed into a proverb.'


Glorfindela
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 3:55pm


Views: 259
Collection

Don't talk to me about collecting.

I managed to restrain myself and collect (though obsessively) only paper ephemera from around the world for LOTR (well, almost just this, although I strayed into other things a bit). It was enjoyable chasing after things from all sorts of places, and it's interesting to see how different countries handle the designs of their items. (I actually bought some lovely things with beautiful images in Prague, for example.) Luckily, I don't have a spare room to keep a collection – and if I did I would only like it to contain the Middle-Earth stuff, because I also collect some antiques, which don't exactly match the Middle-Earth items. I don't have any of the WETA statues, swords, etc. That would probably be a bit much for me…

For The Hobbit I am doing the same as for LOTR, and intend to restrain myself.


In Reply To
That's just one of the many things about Middle-earth that is amazing. What Tolkien created it just amazes you and pulls you in. For me it makes the world feel so real. I think you get that in Jackson's films and that's one of the reasons I love them so much. That's also one of the reasons I love my Middle-earth collection. It just helps bring it all home. :)



(This post was edited by Glorfindela on Apr 7 2013, 3:59pm)


Eledhwen
Forum Admin / Moderator


Apr 7 2013, 3:55pm


Views: 279
Awww,, I'm glad they liked it!

Evidently they're growing up to be lads of good taste. Cool Thanks for sharing, Ro!

Storm clouds


elaen32
Gondor

Apr 7 2013, 4:22pm


Views: 269
No worries...

It's just that your message came to my mail box and I was a bit confused

"Beneath the roof of sleeping leaves the dreams of trees unfold"


swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Apr 7 2013, 4:42pm


Views: 301
(takes off helm revealing mass of red hair) I am no bro....

but, yes, it is what movies used to do a lot: include a vast swath of ages in its audience...

it is, perhaps, a YA (young adult), which often has adults of all ages reading...

I have no doubt the next two films will be (as the book suggests) darker in tone and more intense. Harry Potter went that direction, as did the original Star Wars (people seemed to like Empire Strikes Back best for that reason).

There is a difference between a good kids' film like Brave or How to Train your Dragon or the Croods and something for all ages that kids might also like as in the Hobbit.

sciencey factoid moment: I was a "swordbroad" for some years, and the swordwhale (orca) is one of my "totem animals"... the pods are matrilinear...

Go outside and play...


swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Apr 7 2013, 4:43pm


Views: 320
...

LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh

Go outside and play...


Runk Snusgrop
Rivendell


Apr 7 2013, 4:45pm


Views: 278
Re>

I love reading stuff like this. Puts things in perspective.



swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Apr 7 2013, 4:50pm


Views: 299
Ro!

You nailed something I was thinking...

sense of wonder...

inner child...

Magical Child...
http://www.myss.com/library/contracts/four_archs.asp

I've read her one book and the Child Archetype "nurtures that part of us that yearns to be lighthearted and innocent, expecting the wonders of tomorrow, regardless of age. This part of our nature contributes greatly to our ability to sense playfulness in our lives, balancing the seriousness of adult responsibilities."

The best creative types I've seen have a very large Inner Child (*cough*PJ*cough*). it takes some work to nourish that child, and many people lose it in the daily grind.

Seems to me (without getting all religious and stuff) there's an iconic Jesus story about that, something about needing that childlike sense of wonder to achieve spiritual fulfilment....

I think it must be very difficult to strike all the balances needed to create a film like this: book vs film, innocence vs darkness, wonder vs grim reality.

Go outside and play...


Elessar
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 4:52pm


Views: 327
I'm all over the place lol

I will try to not ruin your streak. Tongue

Nice! I've got several books and national stuff when it comes to The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. I've seen lots of stuff on eBay and on other boards from people outside of the US most of which looks really cool. I've never tried to get any of it on eBay for whatever reason and I've not asked for help since I tend to be kind of shy in that regard. Well, hopefully you can display them somehow. It sounds like you have a fantastic collection.

I have pieces from some other stuff I collect but it's mostly all Middle-earth stuff. Which I love. :) I'm a junky when it comes to the statues and busts. At one point during The Lord of the Rings statue line from Sideshow/Weta I almost had them all. I sold them off because I thought I was in love with this girl, and wanted to provide a really nice ring. I've managed to get several things back that I really wanted, and have gotten things I didn't have before. I've mixed those in with the great things Sideshow is doing and the great things Weta is doing. So between books, papers, and statues/busts my collection is crazy. lol

Good Luck! :)



swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Apr 7 2013, 5:11pm


Views: 264
wow.....

Bomby has some serious street cred....

sweet.

You must have had a wonderful Goldberry, so lucky!

I have a cat named Sindarin (he was abandoned in an apartment when his former orcs, er, people, moved, he ended up at the SPCA, I went because my old cat had died, and I saw the Pet of the Week, a black cat named Raven in the paper. I went to see Raven, and passed a cage with this "blue" cat screaming take meeeee, take meeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!... so I did).

Go outside and play...


Glorfindela
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 5:41pm


Views: 247
Collection 2

I've got some nice early editions of Tolkien books, some signed by Pauline Baynes (the illustrator), like the sweet first edition of Smith of Wootton Major, but all my film-related stuff is hidden away in binders, which I take a sneaky look at from time to time. I don't have anything on display because I don't want people to think I'm even more nuts than they already do.

I don't know how you could part with any of your collection for a mere girl. I would never do such a thing for a man (though I could perhaps do it for Thorin, but he's no mere man).


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Nice! I've got several books and national stuff when it comes to The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. I've seen lots of stuff on eBay and on other boards from people outside of the US most of which looks really cool. I've never tried to get any of it on eBay for whatever reason and I've not asked for help since I tend to be kind of shy in that regard. Well, hopefully you can display them somehow. It sounds like you have a fantastic collection.

I have pieces from some other stuff I collect but it's mostly all Middle-earth stuff. Which I love. :) I'm a junky when it comes to the statues and busts. At one point during The Lord of the Rings statue line from Sideshow/Weta I almost had them all. I sold them off because I thought I was in love with this girl, and wanted to provide a really nice ring. I've managed to get several things back that I really wanted, and have gotten things I didn't have before. I've mixed those in with the great things Sideshow is doing and the great things Weta is doing. So between books, papers, and statues/busts my collection is crazy. lol

Good Luck! :)



AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 5:46pm


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I completely empathize and understand.

And am happy to share the trait. lol

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although i know, technically, i'm an adult, it has always seemed weird to be referred to by that title. whatever is childlike within me is still very much alive and kicking.

which is probably why i read almost as much juvenile fiction as adult. and i reread books like the chronicles of narnia frequently (more than once a year).

rereading is an interesting topic in and of itself.

for me -- specifically regarding juvenile books -- i reread because there's a wonderful feeling one gets tapping into these stories. they're comforting. and if they're stories i read as a kid, i also invoke the pleasure and the emotions i had upon the first read.

reading the harry potter books as an adult was pretty close to the experience i had reading as a child. not wanting to put the book down. just being in happy land as i read.

when i watched (and rewatched) thauj in theaters, often there were kids. some seeing it for the first time (even in february/march). +such+ a pleasure hearing their joyful experiences.


cheers --

.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


tarasaurus
Rohan


Apr 7 2013, 5:47pm


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Yes, and

you are cruel! Haha Laugh


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 5:55pm


Views: 220
The comparison is not an insult. Indeed, Tolkien and Lewis were the dearest of friends

and often critiqued and commented on one another's work. Narnia is, in its way, a heavy tale full of metaphor and allegory. And it is dark in parts, and if the director had wanted to go gritty in that film, he could have.

The Hobbit is a book written for children. The Lord of The Rings is NOT. Peter is trying to bridge the difference, and I think in most places he succeded, though I certainly could have done without the revision to Azanulbizar and Angmar's history. I am not hoping for him to go overboard with the gore for the sake of cheap sensationilization, though I do hope and expect the battles shown will have grit and weight, just as The Battle of Helm's Deep managed to do without ever descending into a superflous gore display.

Certainly Peter has made these films with children in mind, and that is evident in aspects from the superflous burps and booger jokes ( I could have done with less of these), to the bunny sled of Radagast (also the fact that he is healing hedgehogs, not wolverines or a grizzly bear) and young Ori's aversion to green food, both of which I found charming. He has also made it with adults in mind. He did not make it exclusively for either audience, and it would have been disrespectful of the source to have done it otherwise. Certainly it would have disregarded the source to make it in a way exclusive of the average child, when children were the original intended audience of the novel.

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The Hobbit isn't kid friendly like Narnia.Parents feel inclined to take their children to see the hobbit and that's up to them, but the intentional audience were always adults, otherwise PJ wouldn't have done it, he said so himself.It's not freaking well Narnia and it is an insult to be compared to it.PJ does NOT make movies for children.Even the lovely bones, wasn't a children story.Evil


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 5:57pm


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Cognitive funciton is pretty high at that age. The britghter ones

will understand and appreciate the themes more than many adults. . . the less bright ones likely won't fully appreciate them even well into their adulthood. lol

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that they can learn to understand and appreciate the many morals that are in the movies and the books.
Ps. This is probably why I don't fit in with teens.Blush


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 6:12pm


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But they do appreciate Armitage and the hot dwarf //

 


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 6:26pm


Views: 239
Of course they do.

They are teens/young adults of "biological childbearing age" as the old textbooks would say. They are hormonal. They don't miss hot. lol

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"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Ataahua
Forum Admin / Moderator


Apr 7 2013, 6:39pm


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I really enjoy young adult fiction.

I find the ideas are clear and the writing is uncomplicated - and the books are often better for it.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Riven Delve
Tol Eressea


Apr 7 2013, 7:18pm


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Thanks for sharing this!

I think one of the joys of being a parent is sharing the things you love with your kids. It's an extra bonus when they love them too! Sounds like you're raising those kids right! Wink

My older child is too cool right now to admit that she loves the same movie as her mom, but she has asked to watch the DVD with me several times. Does my heart good. Heart Her favorite dwarf is Balin because "he's SO the Santa Claus of the dwarves."

In fact, I enjoyed the times I saw the movie in the theater the most when there were kids in the seats around me. I remember hearing one little guy, probably around six, say to his mother in a stage whisper upon hearing "in a hole in the ground...": "Hey, that's how the book starts, Mom!" He was so excited. Just as it should be. Smile


"I left the night, with its remote and singing stars, and came in, to the glow of the fire, and the chair where he had been sitting, and the unstrung harp." --The Last Enchantment


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Apr 7 2013, 7:29pm


Views: 312
Meesaa

lika daa hobbitaaa

Meesaa does mui mui when da sexy dwarfa appears! Tongue

Vous commencez à m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


Elessar
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 7:31pm


Views: 310
Impressive

That's really cool. I've got nothing like that at all. I understand. I have mine out and for me it allows me to show off Middle-earth so people can maybe get into it and understand why I'm nuts.

It's a long story but I can sum it up in that I was dumber than a box of rocks. lol



Glorfindela
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 10:00pm


Views: 299
Not true

There are plenty of older adults who appreciate Thorin, and not necessarily ones who are 'hormonal' or thinking about having children. I know a few elderly people who certainly appreciate male hero types – though not perhaps Kili/Fili, who are rather boyish and are probably more attractive to teens.


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They are teens/young adults of "biological childbearing age" as the old textbooks would say. They are hormonal. They don't miss hot. lol

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Glorfindela
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 10:04pm


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Yes, I still occasionally read young adult fiction

…though only my tried and tested science fiction and the Hobbit. Haven't read my Narnia books for a long time, though I loved them as a child. (Never tried the likes of Harry Potter, and don't want to.)


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I find the ideas are clear and the writing is uncomplicated - and the books are often better for it.



AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 10:07pm


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Aww. I hope she lived up to your sacrifices, and remained with you ever after


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I have pieces from some other stuff I collect but it's mostly all Middle-earth stuff. Which I love. :) I'm a junky when it comes to the statues and busts. At one point during The Lord of the Rings statue line from Sideshow/Weta I almost had them all. I sold them off because I thought I was in love with this girl, and wanted to provide a really nice ring. I've managed to get several things back that I really wanted, and have gotten things I didn't have before. I've mixed those in with the great things Sideshow is doing and the great things Weta is doing. So between books, papers, and statues/busts my collection is crazy. lol

Good Luck! :)


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Apr 7 2013, 10:11pm


Views: 330
Is that to me? I didn't intend to imply that they were the only ones who could

appreciate him, eroticaly or otherwise. Merely that they were especially likely to exhibited such interest, as opposed to less inclined, as the comment I was responding to seemed to suggest (or that there was some surprise that they noted the stud aspects of Durin's heir).

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There are plenty of older adults who appreciate Thorin, and not necessarily ones who are 'hormonal' or thinking about having children. I know a few elderly people who certainly appreciate male hero types – though not perhaps Kili/Fili, who are rather boyish and are probably more attractive to teens.


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They are teens/young adults of "biological childbearing age" as the old textbooks would say. They are hormonal. They don't miss hot. lol

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"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 10:14pm


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Narnia is really addictive, because you can blast through each book in a few hours //

 


Glorfindela
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 10:17pm


Views: 313
Oh, I see what you mean


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appreciate him, eroticaly or otherwise. Merely that they were especially likely to exhibited such interest, as opposed to less inclined, as the comment I was responding to seemed to suggest (or that there was some surprise that they noted the stud aspects of Durin's heir).

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Elessar
Valinor


Apr 7 2013, 10:26pm


Views: 275
Sadly no :(

It didn't end pretty. Found out things afterwards that made me glad it didn't work out but sucked to lose items I really liked. You love and learn. Won't be making that mistake again.



AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Apr 8 2013, 12:11am


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*wink*

Wink

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appreciate him, eroticaly or otherwise. Merely that they were especially likely to exhibited such interest, as opposed to less inclined, as the comment I was responding to seemed to suggest (or that there was some surprise that they noted the stud aspects of Durin's heir).

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"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Apr 8 2013, 12:11am


Views: 273
I am sorry,

my dear Elessar. Hoping the next time is far superior.

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It didn't end pretty. Found out things afterwards that made me glad it didn't work out but sucked to lose items I really liked. You love and learn. Won't be making that mistake again.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Brethil
Half-elven


Apr 8 2013, 12:56am


Views: 274
Love your mentoring story Argalen!

I'm thrilled to see how much Tolkien is in popular culture these days, especially in the younger set. Compared to today I feel like my 20's were spent in a wasteland where people looked at you either funny or uncomprehending if you mentioned it.

I made a point of breaking the Teen and pre-teen ice in the theater several times when I was seated with teens (other than mine, who has adored ME for years already) just to see what they thought. I found a lot of curiosity in first-time viewers, they had a lot of fun but appreciated the story - and were touched by things like Bilbo and Bofur's scene, and Gandalf giving Sting to Bilbo - and were very happy at the end of the film. One pair of girls (first time viewers) were planning to buy the book on their devices when they got home Angelic which simply made my day!

On the point about Thorin, as raised earlier, ALL the girls I spoke to either liked Fili, Kili, or 'Both' and were quite willing to debate their respective merits......!

Thorin perhaps is for another demographic. On which topic I will behave for a change and say nothing.

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.


Elessar
Valinor


Apr 8 2013, 2:20am


Views: 243
Thank ya :)

It sucked but I'm better for it. I hope so. :) Maybe I'll find someone whose into Tolkien.



Bombadil
Half-elven


Apr 8 2013, 2:52am


Views: 245
Boulder Colorado 1968-70

HitchHiked... through Haight-Asbury,?

Produced Many..."Liquid LightShows"
Grace Slick(Jefferson Airplane)
came backStage and
Thanked
Bomby?

"Love is All THERE is.."

Goldberry Thanks you TOO
... For the Memories..

( &..izz..."Far OUT"..there...in Valinor?).


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Apr 8 2013, 4:13am


Views: 234
Ah, tis not like it was when we were very young and new to such things. The world

is full of them now. . . and many of them are pretty! Sexy, even! To quote Bofur, one of my favourite dwarves now though I never paid him much attention before (he may well become the official Bofur in my head now, in a way that cannot be managed by other actors portraying characters whom I already had an age old familiar grasp of), "I wish you all the luck, in The World."

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It sucked but I'm better for it. I hope so. :) Maybe I'll find someone whose into Tolkien.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

(This post was edited by AinurOlorin on Apr 8 2013, 4:14am)


Elessar
Valinor


Apr 8 2013, 4:31am


Views: 251
Thank you :)

Thank you my friend. :)



BoromirOfWinterfell
Rohan


Apr 8 2013, 11:16am


Views: 216
That is awesome.

Glad to hear your kids enjoyed it. Can't wait to watch it with my cousins again.

"Eala Earendel engla beorhtast
ofer middangeard monnum sended."

"You think you world is safe? It is an illusion. A comforting lie told to protect you. Enjoy these final moments of peace. For I have returned to have my vengeance. So, shall we begin? " - John Harrison/Khan/Sherlock/Smaug (Star Trek: Into Darkness)


Ceridwen
Registered User

Apr 10 2013, 11:31am


Views: 150
Awww. Thanks for sharing.

It's lovely to hear your boys enjoyed it so much :) Great reactions.

I posted on a previous thread about seeing the film with girls (10-13yrs) who were entranced throughout.
I enjoyed most of the film when I saw it first with adults, though I have a fondness for a bit of darkness and angst. Then I loved it all again in a different light seeing it through their eyes. It made me more forgiving of the bits that had me rolling my eyes. And yes, they are now reading the book by choice. Win-win.

The love for the Company runs deep already. It'll be interesting to see how the shift into darker territory will be handled.


Elwen
Lorien


Apr 10 2013, 2:13pm


Views: 194
Thanks for sharing! I love the commentary. My oldest elfling....

is 8 and I let her watch AUJ this weekend with my mom and I. I wish I had thought to take a running commentary, although I don't know she would have come out with so many astute observations as she was pretty tired.

Let me preface this by saying I was really sad that she had to cover her face so many times during what started out as a story for children. I know the reasons, and it's a great movie, but it still caused me a bit of regret. It probably doesn't help that she's somewhat sensitive. I had to preface the movie with "There are some scary parts, but it's important to know that all of these dwarves and Bilbo and Gandalf are OK at the end of the movie." She really doesn't do well with character death. (She's one of very few children I know who HATED Finding Nemo. She couldn't get over feeling bad for Marlin and Nemo over the mom and all the brothers and sisters.) She's going to have a rough time of it if we let her watch the later films, but since they're a couple years off, we may be alright.


She LOVED all of Bag End and was as impressed with the dwarvish burping as I was with the dwarvish singing.

She drew an immediate parallel to Bilbo being covered in troll bogeys and Harry's wand in Sorcerer's Stone and how disgusting that must have been.

She loved Galadriel and was especially impressed with how she turned and her dress was "all flowy and perfect." Methinks I may be making an elf-queen costume this fall.

Surprisingly, she didn't hide during the escape from the goblins. She found it quite funny actually.

Gollum was "very creepy" but she liked that part. (after I once again reassured her that Bilbo would not be eaten whole)

We also had to explain why the Eagles couldn't just take them closer to where they needed to go. (In the process she also learned about deus ex machina.)

It was fun and she want's to know when she can read the book, which for me was one of those YAY moments. I told her to hold off a couple more years. She's a strong reader, but only in 3rd grade and I think it would still be on the challenging side. Maybe she can read it in the lead-up to the third movie.

Before kids, exercising with LOTR meant listening to the soundtrack while I ran.

After kids, exercising with LOTR means having an all out dance party with the little ones to the "Break the Dam Release the River" disco mix form the Lego game.