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Okay Already? Bomby Blew it...So Wha' Ya" Thinkin'..Beyond Awesome or What?

Bombadil
Half-elven

Mar 24 2013, 7:48pm

Views: 1965

Okay Already? Bomby Blew it...So Wha' Ya" Thinkin'..Beyond Awesome or What?

Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Mar 24 2013, 8:00pm

Views: 1173

Loved it!

Jackson is such a geek. I loved it. I loved seeing the clip on the boat with Bilbo and the dwarves and man interesting how Freeman did each take differently. That was totally a treat to see then see the final one. I enjoyed the art, I thought the action sequences we saw looked good. This film is going to be something I really like I can tell.

Thank you for your questions, now go sod off and do something useful - Martin Freeman Twitter chat 3/1/13

Joe20
Lorien

Mar 24 2013, 8:05pm

Views: 1060

Snow

Snow!!!!!! Can't wait to see that scene right at the end of the sizzle reel.

smokerings
Rivendell

Mar 24 2013, 8:06pm

Views: 1042

Loved it!!!!

The last 2 mins was just too much to handle....Beorn's Axe, caverns, Smaug's roar, Mirkwood, EVERYTHING!!!

So my question is - How did Radagast end up with Gandalf in the crypts? And why was he so confused as to why he was there?

(This post was edited by smokerings on Mar 24 2013, 8:07pm)

Elessar
Valinor

Mar 24 2013, 8:06pm

Views: 1040

Loved it as well

Mirkwood looks awesome! So creepy and ruined by the poison that is Sauron coming back into the world. I'm really looking forward to seeing The Master of Laketwon in action as well as how Bard is going to go about things since we know little from the books. I'm really liking what I see of Thranduril, Legolas, and of Tauriel. That is going to create some really amazing moments I think.

Brethil
Half-elven

Mar 24 2013, 8:07pm

Views: 1058

Um yeah W O W

Loved: well all of it

Gandalf lighting his Staff in the Tomb

Thorin and Thranduil nose to nose

A Laketown BOAT! (Rostron I thought of you!)

Stephen Colbert - you rock

Dwarves wrapped up in spiderwebs

Barrels stacked in the Elvenking's cellar

Orlando in action

Ok that's the tip of the iceberg.........

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.

macfalk
Valinor

Mar 24 2013, 8:09pm

Views: 991

Some cool stuff, but dissapointed by the lack of Beorn

Smaug I can see why they are keeping him under wraps, but I think it's high-time to show Beorn in his human form already...

The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.

trqn13
Bree

Mar 24 2013, 8:10pm

Views: 988

amazing

beyond awesome indeed,, would of preferred to hear all of what Stephen fry had to say instead of some incomprehensible nonsense from two Asian girls but oh well was probably payback for his jokes at the BAFTAS,, bring on December!!!!

Pipe Dream
Gondor

Mar 24 2013, 8:14pm

Views: 939

Loved it!

Lots and lots shown! Loved it sooo much it's worth rewatching. Glad someone recorded the video to watch on his or her iPhone over and over again. Evil

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.

QuackingTroll
Valinor

Mar 24 2013, 8:18pm

Views: 1000

Disappointed by Thranduil's halls

Loved his throne. But I was hoping to see a beautiful elven dwelling, but instead it looks to me like we're getting another of PJ's ugly floating bridge-mazes above another bottomless pit Frown

(This post was edited by QuackingTroll on Mar 24 2013, 8:26pm)

Estel78
Tol Eressea

Mar 24 2013, 8:22pm

Views: 984

Disappointing

As expected, the questions were throwaway. At least the VIP guest appearances provided some levity (Colbert *lol*).

Most of the stuff was them as they shoot, basically like the vlogs. Finished footage was pretty much none, except that brief scene of Gandalf wandering through the crypt, which we have already seen parts of in the teaser for the first movie. Gotta say, quite liked the scene. Nice, eerie vibe, with that background noise. And Radagast was bearable. Wink

So pretty much a vlog, which would be fine, but as "this big preview event" kinda underwhelming.

(This post was edited by Estel78 on Mar 24 2013, 8:29pm)

glor
Rohan

Mar 24 2013, 8:27pm

Views: 983

Thorin and Thranduil nose to nose

Can anyone make out what they were saying exactly?

I thought it was the famous Thranduil getting annoyed with Thorin; why were you attacking us/we were starving' scene from the book, from by not so good attempts at lip reading...

I wonder how they are going to do nose to nose in the actual film considering the height differences? I wonder if Thranduil will tell his aides to put Thorin on a box, a la Legolas' 'would you like me to find you a box' comment to Gimli in TTT?

ByThorinsBeard
Rohan

Mar 24 2013, 8:53pm

Views: 880

I loved it too: Radagast speculation

but I think (but hope not) that Radagast might be under the control of Saruman and is spying on Gandalf. If he's not, I will be relieved but that seemed like it was something more than Raddy being his usually sweet addled self. Folks have politely reminded me he was an unknowing tool of Saruman's (been a long time since I've read LoTR beyond the Durin notations in the appendices.)...so that might be the case ???

I adored that scene, but if Beorn is as wonderful as Radagast and Thorin have been so far, I will be an utterly happy camper.

"Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you anywhere." - Albert Einstein.

Roheryn
Tol Eressea

Mar 24 2013, 9:03pm

Views: 858

*SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*

Thorin and Thranduil, dripping with icy attitude, nose-to-nose! Heart

Thranduil apparently giving as good as he gets from Thorin. And Thranduil snarking at Legolas about what the dwarves are up to in his realm. Thranduil's going to take that elvish attitude I love so much to a whole new height. Heart

Argghhh! Am I a dwarf-fancier or an elf-fancier? This is the Existential Ro Crisis I was worried about!!!

Ok, I think I have some other thoughts but the whole Thorin/Thranduil/maybe Legolas too thing has really got me distracted. Oh, Bard. Love the idea that he's portrayed as a bit enigmatic. Robin Hood-ish. Should have known PJ would take that character to a deeper level than we get in the book. And the snow! The snow!!! It's perfect! Will it indeed snow during the Bo5A? Looking more possible! And those huddled dwarves sure looked miserable at the beginning, hunkered down in the boat. Loved the insights into Martin's style of delivering different performances with each take. Rather like Ian McKellan does.

So so so so excited. Can you tell? *SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*

Brethil
Half-elven

Mar 24 2013, 9:06pm

Views: 851

Could sort of hear but can't quite remember

Thranduil was talking, seemed to be criticizing Thorin - who was terse and silent, and without his studded shirt or leather coat I think. Will need to see once the details are up. I thought Lee looked very animated as Thranduil which was a nice surprise.

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.

DanielLB
Immortal

Mar 24 2013, 9:07pm

Views: 828

He seemed even more vacant than usual. It was my thought as well.

Definitely something going on. And since it's very similar to what Radagast did in the book ...

DanielLB
Immortal

Mar 24 2013, 9:08pm

Views: 821

It was alright

I didn't care at all for all the filler and gumpf. And I was cringing the entire way through.

Thank you for putting that together though team. Much appreciated. I look forward to seeing an edited version. I missed about 10 minutes because of a dodgy hotel connection.

BornOutOfTheWest
Rivendell

Mar 24 2013, 9:10pm

Views: 821

About the high fells...

I've posted this else where but would love to hear your thoughts...

I feel that this scene was cut out of AUJ. I had imagined this scene being in the extended cut of AUJ most likely as following Gandalf after Rivendell while the Dwarves are in Goblin town. It would have just have fitted, as the previous shot of gandalf was with Galadriel "The riddle of the morgul blade must be solved".

Just to add to to this I've got ' The Hobbit Chronicles of Middle earth' and there is a section in there is a couple of pages in there which discusses it! (Pg 150-151 for anyone who has it). It says - "While Gandalf seeks answers beneath the mountains, Thorin leads his company over them..." Yet more proof that this scene was originally going to be in AUJ.

What I'm wondering is how they're going to explain this in AUJ? A possible prologue but unlikely. Since most of the audience probably won't realise that this scene was originally meant to be on the other side of the misty mountains, they will know no different...

However the problem with this is that Galadriel says at the white council "They were buried in the high fells of Rhudar". Now Rhudar is on the side of the misty mountains which they just crossed over! And i highly doubt that Gandalf will travel back across it in DOS.

Guess we've already got a film inconsistency...

Any thoughts?

Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Mar 24 2013, 9:13pm

Views: 837

Loved it!

I really liked the emotion I saw in Thranduil. I also thought it was interesting that Legolas appeared to be disagreeing with Thranduil quite a bit. I couldn't make it out but that could add some very fascinating juice to the flow and also sort of bridge to FoTR and the council of Elrond in that film.

I loved how stern RA was in that scene with Thranduil. Not moving a muscle in spite of the fact that Thrand is in his face. Truly a king of Durin's line. Loved loved loved it.

Thank you for your questions, now go sod off and do something useful - Martin Freeman Twitter chat 3/1/13

dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator

Mar 24 2013, 9:17pm

Views: 908

Does anyone else look at Bard and think:

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You destroyed my town. Prepare to die."

I keep seeing a resemblance between the two characters, I'm not sure why...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"I desired dragons with a profound desire"

Roheryn
Tol Eressea

Mar 24 2013, 9:27pm

Views: 792

Yes!

The disdainful resentment that we see on Thranduil's face in AUJ has been brought to life, and how. He's not the stiff stoic airbrain like poor Celeborn in the theatrical-cut of FOTR. PJ makes a distinction between these Woodland Elves and the High Elves; Thranduil and his folk are, well, more down-to-earth than Elrond and the Rivendell Elves. The closest we've seen so far of an Elf full of snarky attitude was Haldir with his "That dwarf breathes so loud I could have shot him in the dark" comment. Thranduil's going to take this so much further, and I just love it! And I think it's clear that Thorin's hatred of the elves, and Thranduil and his kin in particular, is mirrored by Thranduil's dislike of dwarves. I suspect he really really resented having to pay homage to Thror for so long.

You know, I remember being really excited for TTT to come out, but I know I wasn't *this* excited, and TTT is still my least favorite of the three LOTR movies (I did love it, just not quite as much as LOTR and ROTK). I don't think I'm going to like DOS any less than AUJ, though: there's going to be so much to enjoy!

Roheryn
Tol Eressea

Mar 24 2013, 9:37pm

Views: 771

Inconceivable!

LOL! Actually, that's perfect. There's a strong resemblance. I hope I don't have trouble listening to him with a straight face.

Attachments:

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Lusitano
Tol Eressea

Mar 24 2013, 9:48pm

Views: 754

More like

a pirates friend teenage girls used to be very fond of before the toothy take over. Tongue

Vous commencez � m'ennuyer avec le port!!!

Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Mar 24 2013, 9:49pm

Views: 750

Me too

Ro I am beyond excited. I loved every minute of this. I just love the whole Thranduil/thorin juxtaposition. Those two are going to clash and it is totally consistent for Legolas to clash with his father. I can't wait to see that. I love the look of Laketown. Stephen Fry is a complete hoot and I think he's going to great as the Master. His video was funny too.

I cannot wait for this. It's going to be a long 8 1/2 months!

Thank you for your questions, now go sod off and do something useful - Martin Freeman Twitter chat 3/1/13

Roheryn
Tol Eressea

Mar 24 2013, 10:20pm

Views: 709

Me three!!!!

Oh, wait, there's only one of me. I'm so excited I figured I'd at least gone triplets!

Stephen Fry may be growing on me. Wasn't so sure about him to start with. His side-kick (what's his name? Alfrid or something?) reminded me of Grima. Good thing they didn't let RA play that sidekick instead of Thorin -- he's said he'd have loved to play Grima, so I can only imagine he would have loved playing Alfrid (?) too!

Seriously, I've been so smitten with Thorin it's hard to imagine this smitten-ness getting any more intense, but I really think adding Thranduil (and Legolas, too, I must admit) to the mix is going to intensify this smitten-ness so much that...that...well, I just may turn into a little melted puddle of intensely smitten drool. I've loved the snarky Elf attitude whenever we see it in LOTR, and it looks like Thranduil's going to wear the crown for that now. Heart

*whispers* Ok, so...is it *really* wrong to have the hots for a father, son, and dwarf all at the same time? Anyone?

�leniel Tindome
Rivendell

Mar 24 2013, 10:26pm

Views: 498

I absolutely imagined Thranduil like that (throne and everything) LOVE IT!

In Reply To

Thorin and Thranduil, dripping with icy attitude, nose-to-nose! Heart

Argghhh! Am I a dwarf-fancier or an elf-fancier? This is the Existential Ro Crisis I was worried about!!!

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Brethil
Half-elven

Mar 24 2013, 10:28pm

Views: 478

Piling on for three!!!!

I love what I saw...love it all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Heart

Oh yes I think we are in for a treat with the dynamics of Thranduil and Legolas!!!!! Logolas bringing Orcrist to the party....a think he's a rebel in training!

8 1/2 months ..............gonna be a lot of typing between now and then..............! Tongue

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.

Brethil
Half-elven

Mar 24 2013, 10:31pm

Views: 473

I admire your open mindedness, taste....

In Reply To

*whispers* Ok, so...is it *really* wrong to have the hots for a father, son, and dwarf all at the same time? Anyone?

....and lack of age minded prejudice. It speaks highly of your heart and character!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wink

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.

�leniel Tindome
Rivendell

Mar 24 2013, 10:34pm

Views: 452

Hope not cause I feel the same way

In Reply To

*whispers* Ok, so...is it *really* wrong to have the hots for a father, son, and dwarf all at the same time? Anyone?

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Arannir
Valinor

Mar 24 2013, 11:27pm

Views: 425

Awesome!

I was afraid to get too many spoilers, but it was just fine.

Highlights:

Thranduil's throne and the way he sits on it

Thranduil in general, and his eye-on-eye with Legolas

Strangely Tauriel... Evangeline speaking Elvish was nice.

Bedroom of the Mayor of Laketown looked amazing.

Artwork of Mirkwood and Tranduil's Halls.

SNOW!

High Fells was a bit boring since it was basically the trailer stuff "in order" and with Radagast... and that the Nine will play a role was becoming quite clear already with the mentioning of the Witchking in AUJ.

(This post was edited by Arannir on Mar 24 2013, 11:27pm)

Arannir
Valinor

Mar 24 2013, 11:33pm

Views: 427

Oh and Bomby...

... you will not have to make threads concerning the difference of Sindar Elves and other Elves as you have to for other lore stuff like the Balrog. Because PJ comfirmed that this difference will be addressed in one way or the other :)

Also: Did anyone else notice, I think Tauriel is not fluent in Westron. We only heard her talk briefly to an captured Orc, but I think she was "acting" an "Elvish dialect".

�leniel Tindome
Rivendell

Mar 24 2013, 11:37pm

Views: 452

Highlights: Thranduil, Thranduil, Thranduil

noticed the Tauriel accent also - could be a nice detail, if it is meant to be like that

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Glorfindela
Valinor

Mar 24 2013, 11:59pm

Views: 385

Yes, all that

However, I hope Thrandruil retains that unearthly look that was captured so well in the first film.

In Reply To

Arannir
Valinor

Mar 25 2013, 12:02am

Views: 402

My expectations...

... have actually totally shifted... I was hoping they would reach Laketown quickly with not too much time in Mirkwood and with the Elves.

But now I am totally sold because of Thranduil (and I can see Tauriel and Legolas working, now).

I think Mirkwood/Esgaroth will be an amazing contrast.

And love the idea of Thranduil's Halls as a "cathedral" under the earth. Looked great.

Lissuin
Valinor

Mar 25 2013, 12:10am

Views: 379

You and I have crossed swords on this before, amico mio.

Bard as Inigo-Montoyo or Zorro look alike: both are nice to little girls, I expect. This hero is also someone I would feel perfectly safe with in a dark alley. He's on our side.

(This post was edited by Lissuin on Mar 25 2013, 12:15am)

Lissuin
Valinor

Mar 25 2013, 12:14am

Views: 384

Bomby: Awesome! Here's a repeat of my earlier post.

It set up the look of film 2 for us.

They showed actual sets (Lake-town, the tombs - lots of both) and illustrations of Mirkwood and Thranduil's realm, and a good look at Bard, Tauriel, Legolas (did you see his slide in the stream?), Thranduil and Lake-town extras in costume.

Fans say, "I wish I could work at Weta, I wish I could just hang out there!" As far as I could tell, this was an attempt to do that, to give more people a taste of life in the studio and post-production rooms with film 2 as the subject. I was glued to the screen the entire time. Peter said this was a sort of a vlog and there will be more of those. These are always interesting to me.

And I thought the Colbert video was a scream! He really played up his Tolkien nerdness, a la the James Franco Tolkien showdown. Start at 5:12.
http://www.colbertnation.com/...05-2013/james-franco

One whole hour! So glad I bought the thing!

(This post was edited by Lissuin on Mar 25 2013, 12:17am)

AinurOlorin
Half-elven

Mar 25 2013, 12:15am

Views: 362

Well, if the Noldor can now teleport, the Wizards just aught to be able to as well

In Reply To

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Mar 25 2013, 12:31am

Views: 356

We can take turns

We can take turns holding the paper bag for us to breathe over the next 8 months. LOL.

Thank you for your questions, now go sod off and do something useful - Martin Freeman Twitter chat 3/1/13

Bombadil
Half-elven

Mar 25 2013, 12:38am

Views: 363

Thang you Berry Buch..LissDARLING!...we have been Buried?

under so many Rants/Raves
we'll Be Banished
to page 2
Shortly..

(.Don't ya jus' luv the Newbies?)
You all can now go bACK there again
to your Playstations?

xoxoxLongLIVETolkien!

glor
Rohan

Mar 25 2013, 1:20am

Views: 351

Tauriel..and Gloin

yep, I was pleasantly surprised, thought from the brief bits we saw, that she could work in the films.

Did anyone noitce a brief clip where the company was walking past Tauriel and Gloin seemed to pause and look up at her with wonder on his face, perhaps it's genetic becoming besotted with female elves.

Lissuin
Valinor

Mar 25 2013, 1:25am

Views: 315

Cheers, Bombadil and Goldberry!//

Brethil
Half-elven

Mar 25 2013, 1:56am

Views: 314

I think we might have to!

In Reply To

We can take turns holding the paper bag for us to breathe over the next 8 months. LOL.

I think I might start a day -by- day countdown this week .... I love my summers but whoo boy! CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.

Bombadil
Half-elven

Mar 25 2013, 2:10am

Views: 298

BWAhaHA..Ha wha? Keep Breathing?

Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Mar 25 2013, 2:10am

Views: 288

Do it!

I'll help count it down with you!

Thank you for your questions, now go sod off and do something useful - Martin Freeman Twitter chat 3/1/13

Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Mar 25 2013, 2:12am

Views: 291

Slow and steady

Do you need some Old Toby? Just breathe in....and out...it calms the nerves.

Thank you for your questions, now go sod off and do something useful - Martin Freeman Twitter chat 3/1/13

Roheryn
Tol Eressea

Mar 25 2013, 2:14am

Views: 299

All right, which one of you

can do the smoke-coming-out-the-ears trick?

*waits expectantly*

Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Mar 25 2013, 2:24am

Views: 285

Not Brethil

She has brains. I on the other hand am...certifiable empty in that area so yes, I can I can! Sending it your way!

Thank you for your questions, now go sod off and do something useful - Martin Freeman Twitter chat 3/1/13

Brethil
Half-elven

Mar 25 2013, 2:31am

Views: 279

Yes!!!! We are very dangerous over short distances!!!!

(giggle!)

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.

Brethil
Half-elven

Mar 25 2013, 2:40am

Views: 271

Bwaahaaa!! Thanks for the vote of confidence...! However....

In Reply To

She has brains. I on the other hand am...certifiable empty in that area so yes, I can I can! Sending it your way!

I think I have TME (Thorin Mediated Encephalopathy) and less brain density these days so I can probably manage a good ring or two..........!

We can put on a lovely show Ham Sammy!

Here ya go Ro!!!!!!!!!! (Smoky Xs and Os !!!) Smile

******will calculate countdown tomorrow!***********

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.

(This post was edited by Brethil on Mar 25 2013, 2:42am)

AinurOlorin
Half-elven

Mar 25 2013, 2:54am

Views: 257

Yeah. The outside and throne room looked great,

but not eager for more of the bridge mazes. Still, we shall see. It could be extremely lovely.

In Reply To

Loved his throne. But I was hoping to see a beautiful elven dwelling, but instead it looks to me like we're getting another of PJ's ugly floating bridge-mazes above another bottomless pit Frown

AinurOlorin
Half-elven

Mar 25 2013, 2:56am

Views: 291

I wish the crypts were in EE, as I said before, as they so blatantly defy the cannon.

I hope to see Gandalf battle with all the fire and light of his ommited scene atop Amon Hen against the Nazgul in at least one of these films theatrical, but while I actually liked the feel and some aspects of the scene, it's inaccuracies troubled me.

In Reply To

So pretty much a vlog, which would be fine, but as "this big preview event" kinda underwhelming.

Gandy
Bree

Mar 25 2013, 4:05am

Views: 285

Sad

I got my code long ago and have been waiting for this day. I was gonna cozy up and enjoy the short peak at DOS. I go to the site, and the video is not there. No place to input a code. I come here and apparently the video was literally a "live" broadcast. I never got the idea that they meant it would be like a live sporting event and if you miss it, you miss it.

I read "live" as in "Log in on this date, and you can finally see our special stream of a preview only for DVD buyers." Live just sounded like a throwaway promotional word. They were to stream it especially for code owners. And anytime you type in your code it would be available to you. Oops!

Did anyone else mess up like me? I hope their modified version isn't heavily edited. From the reviews it sounds like all I really need to see is the final quick "trailer" of finished scenes at the end. The green screen and handycam stuff will be good for future videodoc viewing.

Speaking of which, has PJ mentioned he's doing videoblogs for DOS?

I'm very glad they didn't show Smaug. And I really don't want them to show any piece of him in any trailer. I would avoid it anyway though. Of all things in this trilogy, Smaug is the one thing I do not want any knowledge of before my first viewing in the theater.

Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Mar 25 2013, 4:31am

Views: 271

Vblogs

Yes he is doing more Vblogs. I'm sorry you missed it :(

Well they will put a version out on the site at some point for us to look at so I hope you get to see that Gandy! ::hugs::

Thank you for your questions, now go sod off and do something useful - Martin Freeman Twitter chat 3/1/13

Old Toby
Grey Havens

Mar 25 2013, 5:42am

Views: 257

sniff missed it

I had to lead a discussion today for our Tolkien annual meeting so couldn't watch this! (The discussion topic was the movie characters of Bilbo, Thorin, Frodo and Aragorn: their respective characteristics, motivations, character arcs within the first films) But I'm eagerly reading all of your posts, my friends, and am trying to imagine watching it as you all are describing it. I'm so thrilled so many of you were blown away. I have been eager for the Thorin/Thranduil confrontation, and judging from what you all have said, it won't disappoint!! Should be epic! Can't WAIT!!

"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)

Imladris18
Lorien

Mar 25 2013, 1:58pm

Views: 221

Radagast as a "tool of Saruman"

I've never heard of this before. Could it just be that Saruman is the head of the order? I guess you can say Gandalf is a "tool" of Saruman as well then.

I thought Saruman made it pretty clear what he thought of Radagast at the White Council, lol. If he was bluffing there, it was a good one.

DisDwarfWoman
Rivendell

Mar 25 2013, 3:16pm

Views: 205

Its from FOTR...

Saruman uses Radagast to get Gandalf to come to Isengard. "he (Saruman) concealed his purpose (i.e. from Radagast) and so deceived his messenger"

"Radagast the Brown!" laughed Saruman, and he no longer concealed his scorn. "Radagast the Bird-tamer! Radagast the Simple! Radagast the Fool! Yet he had just the wit to play the part that I set him."

(From the FOTR, Council of Elrond)

Imladris18
Lorien

Mar 25 2013, 4:22pm

Views: 193

Oh, okay

It's just him following orders not knowing any better then.

DisDwarfWoman
Rivendell

Mar 26 2013, 1:23am

Views: 166

Basically

The way I read it was that he's too honest himself to suspect that Saruman would betray everyone like that. He's simply told/asked to take a message to Gandalf, so he does.

But it works out okay because Radagast is the one who sends the eagle who rescues Gandalf (in the book anyways!)

AinurOlorin
Half-elven

Mar 26 2013, 5:29am

Views: 155

"But Radagast had sought me in good faith!"

It would have been useless,at any rate, to try to win the honest Radagast over to treachery. . .

I do feel that there are moments in the film when Gandalf seems to impatient of Radagast. This is another Wizard of good purpose, and of power, not Pippin. Alone in a haunted barrow, I don't think Gandalf, mighty as he is, would be irrate to see Radagast, another able member of His Order, arrive.

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DisDwarfWoman
Rivendell

Mar 26 2013, 1:26pm

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exactly! thanks!

I didn't have the book with me, couldn't remember the exact line.

Gandalf does seem a bit impatient with him at times, maybe just because he's in a hurry all the time and Radagast so clearly isn't?

I didn't really get the sense that he undervalues Radagast, he does try to stick up for him a bit at the white council meeting.