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The One Ring Forums: Tolkien Topics: Movie Discussion: The Hobbit:
Oscars tonight!

Bombadil
Half-elven

Feb 24 2013, 4:03pm

Views: 1871

Oscars tonight!

TH-AUJ

Potential..3 wins
1. Makeup and hair design
2. Production design
3. Sound editing

LA times Predicts?

Peters Swords King
Rick FinLander and
Tammy Lane for
Makeup and hair!

And..We get to see?
Dan Hannah
R Vincent
Simon Bright
Joe LetTeri
Eric Saindon
David Clayton
R. Christopher White!

Bomby can't wait to
Hear "Misty Mountains Cold" when our FAMILY
Walks up
on STAGE...

Bomby wishes he could be in
LA tonight for
" the ONE Party... Heart

(This post was edited by Bombadil on Feb 24 2013, 4:05pm)

DanielLB
Immortal

Feb 24 2013, 4:06pm

Views: 1310

Good luck to the production team :-)

*Keeps fingers crossed*

Brethil
Half-elven

Feb 24 2013, 4:29pm

Views: 1297

Same here

Crossing fingers and toes. Luck and thanks to them all!

...she took the point at once, but she also took the spoons.

Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Feb 24 2013, 4:32pm

Views: 1301

I'm going to watch TORN's live feed

I'm in CA but I can't go this year. I hope to go to the next two. I will be cheering them on!

Glorfindela
Valinor

Feb 24 2013, 5:23pm

Views: 1295

To be honest

I think it is highly unlikely that the Hobbit will win anything, especially bearing in mind the hostile reception of many critics in America. PJ himself said back in November or December that it was unlikely, particularly as this was just the first film in the trilogy.

Of course, if it did win something, I would be absolutely delighted. Smile

frodolives
Lorien

Feb 24 2013, 5:48pm

Views: 1279

It has one chance

The only chance it has in the three categories is makeup, which it absolutely deserves. However it might go to Les Miserables because the academy loves to reward beautiful people looking 'ugly.' BTW, when PJ was talking about their doubtful Oscar chances, he was talking about major awards, not technical ones.

DanielLB
Immortal

Feb 24 2013, 6:08pm

Views: 1254

Agreed

I'll be surprised if they don't win hair and make-up. The other two categories are a little hard to judge. Perhaps 50% likely for production design, and 30% for sound editing.

Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Feb 24 2013, 6:17pm

Views: 1236

I won't be surprised if they don't win at all.

Although they deserve it, look at it this way. The Academy, as really do the rest of us, view this as one film not three. Films like Les Mis have one shot at the Oscar. I can see them letting AUJ leave without anything until TABA. Although I will be disappointed, I can sort of understand it and won't be truly outraged unless they are totally dissed when it comes to TABA.

I feel the same way about acting Noms. I think if we see them (and I feel pretty confident we will) it will be in TABA.

frodolives
Lorien

Feb 24 2013, 6:19pm

Views: 1224

You mean visual effects...

... not sound editing ;)

Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 24 2013, 6:20pm

Views: 1232

Sound editing?

Quote

‘The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey‘ has been nominated for three awards:

BEST PRODUCTION DESIGN

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS

BEST MAKEUP & HAIRSTYLING

Ataahua
Forum Admin / Moderator

Feb 24 2013, 6:20pm

Views: 1244

TVNZ had a report last night from TORN's pre-Oscars art event,

in which they interviewed Chris Pirotta (one of TORN's PTB) - but I just can't find it online! Is anyone else a greater wizard with TVNZ's website than me? It'd be great to post a link to the news item here.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.

Ataahua's stories

Ataahua
Forum Admin / Moderator

Feb 24 2013, 6:26pm

Views: 1256

Here it is!

Good ol' Linuxelf loaded it onto You Tube.

dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator

Feb 24 2013, 6:33pm

Views: 1221

Awesome!

Thanks to Linuxelf for the video - and how great is it, that Chris was interviewed! A dragon tail on the building?

Take lots of pics, Altaira (and the rest of you!), and we expect a full geeky report! Laugh

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"I desired dragons with a profound desire"

Lissuin
Valinor

Feb 24 2013, 6:34pm

Views: 1222

TV report on our home page now, Ataahua.

Have fun, all you Tornfolk in LA!

Oops! you take a minute to watch a 95-year old granny skydiving and someone beats you to the scoop. Cheers.

(This post was edited by Lissuin on Feb 24 2013, 6:37pm)

DanielLB
Immortal

Feb 24 2013, 6:44pm

Views: 1218

My mistake

I was going by Bombadil's original post.

Smile

swordwhale
Tol Eressea

Feb 24 2013, 7:41pm

Views: 1194

random thots....

Thanks to Linuxelf for the video! (Too bad I'm on the other coast).

???: Has anyone else seen any of the other films? I am, of course, a rabid Tolkien Geek, so I'm all over The Hobbit. I also feel it might not get any real awards until all three films are out (much like LoTR). I did see Life of Pi, beautiful, probably had some production challenges, but I heartily dislike "dream frames" or "magical realism" or anything which goes, "oh, wait, that maybe wasn't real". The film did have something to say about how and why we tell stories, but... arrrrrgggggghhhh! My friend saw Lincoln, and said it was awesome. We live near the famous Gettysburg (as in Civil War, Battle of...) my favorite dog-running trail begins at Hanover junction, where Lincoln once stopped. We are steeped in that bit of history with random battle reinactments all the time, and Civ-War reinactors all over the place (they are quite good and very dedicated to portraying history accurately, down to the stitching in their uniforms).

I did not see LeMis (wanted to, might catch it on DVD) and still think this way about costuming and makeup regarding all these films:
Historical drama: look at some period paintings/photos, dress your actors. Horses in period gear. Add mud liberally.
Guy stuck on lifeboat: some sunburn, some tattered pirate gear. Some dead fish. A CG tiger.
Modern drama: dress your actors.
Middle Earth: turn a 6'2" guy who looks like an Elf into a stout stolid 5' Dwarf. Make him sexy. Then do it with scale doubles, stunt doubles, riding doubles, some other doubles (none of whom look like him at all). Now do it with 12 other guys. Now do it with a few Wizards, a Hobbit, and all the orcs that aren't CG. Throw in a few Elves. Find horses that make the Elves look Elvish. Find other Horses that look like Ponies; create entire "hairy pony suits", and don't let your horses (or Dwarves) collapse of heat stroke...

I fear we have nothing here in the US that even approaches the Awesomeness That Is WETA.

Go outside and play...

Bombadil
Half-elven

Feb 24 2013, 7:52pm

Views: 1174

Sorry sorry I was quoting the LA Times?//

cats16
Half-elven

Feb 24 2013, 8:10pm

Views: 1184

I've seen most of them...

...and I'd say that AUJ has a very strong shot at Makeup & Hairstyling. But prod. design seems to be an uphill battle. All of the nominees have stellar prod. teams, and the finished products show it. Lincoln has incredible detail in costuming. For example, they had to dress Daniel Day-Lewis properly, so he would appear to be as tall as Lincoln was himself. And Day-Lewis couldn't just stand on stilts, so the costuming helped convey this illusion. It's flawless.

Life of Pi could completely run the table this year. It's that well-liked. I honestly couldn't tell most of the time whether the tiger was CG or real. That's what good CG does. The difficult part with the Visual Effects award is that AUJ has incredible CG as well. Yes, some shots are better than others. I completely agree that the warg chase scene lacks the quality, visually, of other moments. So I would put money on Pi to win this, but I hope AUJ sneaks it in. Go WETA!

Overall, 2012 had an unusually high number of excellent films. There are very few clear cut favorites for any award. I'm looking forward to seeing things unfold tonight!
Looking at films coming out in 2013, I think DOS will gain traction as the awards season approaches next February. Fewer contenders stand in its way.

Bombadil
Half-elven

Feb 24 2013, 8:54pm

Views: 1162

Next VBlog after theAwards?

Bombyzzz thinking is always twisted
Bb b..uu...uutt!

We are due. ..
maybe
next week?

Think of the possibilities
there!

Bombadil
Half-elven

Feb 24 2013, 9:47pm

Views: 1136

Hope this link works

youtu.be/jE0ukoL7sW8

Elizabeth
Half-elven

Feb 24 2013, 10:10pm

Views: 1154

Weta's hedging their bets.

Weta's Visual Effects team is actually up for 3 Visual Effects Oscars, for The Hobbit, The Avengers, and Prometheus. Article here.

At the end of the article there's a nice list of Kiwis who have won Oscars in the past.

SirDennisC
Half-elven

Feb 25 2013, 2:19am

Views: 1112

Visual effects went to Life of Pi? WTH?

I thought Avengers had it in the bag.

Bombadil
Half-elven

Feb 25 2013, 3:17am

Views: 1078

Hair went that French Musical..Robbed?///

Sunflower
Valinor

Feb 25 2013, 7:02am

Views: 1028

FRENCH musical, Bomby?:)

Ask Boulbil and Schoenberg for that, who just lost Best Song to Adele for "Skyfall" (WTHeck?!? It was a great song, but the Academy hates giving Oscars to Pop singers unless they know you're gonna win BP--think Enya for song for FOTR) .
Most Les Miz fans, let alone global critics, have forgotten that Les Miz was their production from 1980, not the Cameron MackIntosh London/Broadway phenom. Or that the origional Eponine, Frances Rufflele, was from the origional French production too. Or that the song "On My Own" was adapted from a melody she sang in the origional French production...sigh.

I wish more people were familar with the French origional. It's..much different.

Sunflower
Valinor

Feb 25 2013, 7:09am

Views: 1047

Would seem

to support my ranting about the Academy being on an "anti-franchise" bent. Pure politics. It could be that they wanted to give the WETA folks time to clear more spaces on their mantel..or maybe not. (See my post in 0 for 3 thread above.

What will be the best place to coment on winners and losers? it has been one STRANGE night, even by Oscar standards..(again, see above.) I usually pick the wrong thread to post in.

As it is very late here (2AM) and my spelling does what it usually starts to do at such times, it's time for me to sign off. How much do you think politcs of varius sorts played a role in Argo's win? With Michelle Obama reading the BP winner, this couldn't be just coincidence. Can't wait to see what the media will say! (When Jimmy Carter gave an interview recently saying that the Canadians did more during that incident then the CIA did, even though HE was Prez at rhe time and it was thus his crisis..wow, can't get more interesting!

Sunflower
Valinor

Feb 25 2013, 7:21am

Views: 200

I'm surprised

Les Miz got Make-up, I mean, the realism there mostly came from the leads starving themselves. Tongue

No matter what you do with a production team, nothing could beat Hugh and Anne's emaciation. And in Hugh's case, of course it was only in his early scenes--he returned to proper weight after that. Costumes, yes..lots of period detail. Maybe too much at times--you can't fault Hooper for not being true to the book!

I'm not surprised Pi got FX. I was, for the first time in my life, totally fooled by an FX. I honest to God thought that tiger was real, and wondered where they got such a great trainer. I was truly flabbergasted to find out that it was CG.
Sad note: the company that produced that tiger and FX, is a tiny company--forget its name-has just filed for bankrupcy a couple weeks ago and just laid off about 40% of its staff. Someone had to come in and rescue the 3 other films it was working on. I wonder of maybe some Academy voters felt more comfortable snubbking a big FX house bc of this fact. I hope that wasn't the case.

Okay, I'll confess--actually the 2nd time. First time was Titanic, when I thought that the dolphins in the "King of the World' scene were fake and ship was real--it was actually the other way around. Those are the only2 times-I've become quite good at guessing CGI!

I can talk about the small Oscars here--my reactins on the big winners are in the thread above. And now--G night folks!

(This post was edited by Sunflower on Feb 25 2013, 7:25am)

SirDennisC
Half-elven

Feb 25 2013, 6:34pm

Views: 162

If there is an agenda

the only one that makes sense to me is that the Academy wanted to award the use of CGI to create a restrained, simple or stylish product rather than the clichéd, over-the-top tending to garish imagery we see so much of anymore.

CGI carries the risk that it can be perceived as self indulgent -- just because you can do almost anything visually, doesn't mean you should.

Regarding visual effects and production design a Tolkien quote comes to mind once more:

Quote

“Where then resides the special virtue of Beowulf, if the common element (which belongs largely to the language, and to a literary tradition) is deducted? It resides, one might guess, in the theme, and the spirit this has infused into the whole. For, in fact, if there were a real discrepancy between theme and style, that style would not be felt as beautiful but as incongruous or false.”

Switch out "Beowulf" for any work of art and I think the same conclusion can be drawn (tried to warn them). It may just be that the story was overwhelmed by the effects?

The technical awards aren't just for the finest, best looking, most titillating... but chiefly, I should hope, for the most appropriate use of technology when making a film.

(This post was edited by SirDennisC on Feb 25 2013, 6:37pm)