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New Box Office Totals



sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea

Feb 17 2013, 5:58pm


Views: 3048
New Box Office Totals

$299,855,000 Domestic
$659,600,000 International

$959,455,000 Worldwide

So close!


Welsh hero
Gondor


Feb 17 2013, 6:24pm


Views: 1736
Not bad, billion looking very easy now//

but does that include updated international numbers since last time, because we may be getting another update soon.

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sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea

Feb 17 2013, 6:26pm


Views: 1790
Just $145,000 short of $300 million.

I really thought it would make it this week-end.


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea

Feb 17 2013, 6:29pm


Views: 1743
Yeah,

International went up $1.1 mil. since last time.

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but does that include updated international numbers since last time, because we may be getting another update soon.



Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 17 2013, 6:34pm


Views: 1743
That would be $2.1m.

Last time it was at $657.5m.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 17 2013, 6:53pm


Views: 1708
Might very well make it on Monday

Since it's President Day, isn't it? I'm not from the USA.


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Feb 17 2013, 6:54pm)


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 17 2013, 7:01pm


Views: 1673
Okay, so 150,000 ~ left to 300 million

I bet it's a lock by tomorrow.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.

(This post was edited by macfalk on Feb 17 2013, 7:02pm)


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 17 2013, 7:04pm


Views: 1744
International Numbers

Should end somewhere around 661-663 million, which means that the China gross must be at least 35~ million. Shouldn't be a problem, but you never know.

Australia has 23~ million inhabitants and their AUJ gross is $43,728,281. If China, a country with more than 1,3 billion inhabitants, does not match that, then something is seriously messed up.




The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.

(This post was edited by macfalk on Feb 17 2013, 7:07pm)


Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Feb 17 2013, 7:17pm


Views: 1669
Yes it is


In Reply To
Since it's President Day, isn't it? I'm not from the USA.


It should hit 300 mil US by tomorrow I would think.


Arannir
Valinor

Feb 17 2013, 7:25pm


Views: 1683
Look at Japan...

... to see how weird numbers can be sometimes ;)


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 17 2013, 8:05pm


Views: 1625
Yes

Japans gross of just 19 million ~ was surprising, but still, China's market is much bigger. The fact that China has 1,2 billion more inhabitants than Japan probably plays a part in that Cool



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea

Feb 17 2013, 8:25pm


Views: 1563
Yep.


In Reply To
Last time it was at $657.5m.

Bad math on my part. Thought is seemed low when i typed that.


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 17 2013, 8:33pm


Views: 1614
I just saw that!!! Mad that I cannot see the number of theatres it is still in yet, in the U.S.A.

But even if the weekend estimate is off by one or even two hundred thousand (which is highly unlikely) it is almost guarunteed to hit 300 million domestically by the end of next week, especially since for many this will be a Three day weekend, with Monday being the President's day observation.

So the 300 million domestic is all but assured, and a billion worldwide is not unlikely, since China will, in the end, probably only need to pull in about 39 million.

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$299,855,000 Domestic
$659,600,000 International

$959,455,000 Worldwide

So close!


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 17 2013, 8:35pm


Views: 1552
Indeed, and yes. That is my thought. I just commented on that, prior to seeing this.


In Reply To
Since it's President Day, isn't it? I'm not from the USA.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 17 2013, 8:35pm


Views: 1594
Number of theatres

According to BOM:

605 theaters (-396)



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea

Feb 17 2013, 8:39pm


Views: 1567
It would be interesting to hear from someone in China,

to see what the marketing campaign is like there. You'd think WB (and whoever the distributor is there) would be going all out as it's the last market for AUJ (and to insure that it hits 1 billion).


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 17 2013, 8:46pm


Views: 1585
Journey to the West...

Like i wrote in another thread, Journey to the West just posted the biggest 7-day gross ever in China. I'm a little concerned what such strong competition will do to Hobbit.


Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Feb 17 2013, 9:06pm


Views: 1553
WB in general

It seems like WB did a lot of advance publicity for the film and did the press junkets the first weeks or so it was out but it really seems like they haven't marketed it that well since. Maybe I just don't know enough about how it's done. It just seems like the film has gone pretty much by word of mouth since January alone. Given the negative press reviews quite honestly and the lack of subsequent marketing and the lack of Oscar noms etc I think it's done pretty darned well.


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 17 2013, 10:15pm


Views: 1498
New films

After the first 2-3 weeks the studios seem to move on. Now, if they get a bunch of Oscar nominations you will see an ad or two more but as a whole they move on quickly.



Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Feb 17 2013, 10:29pm


Views: 1458
True enough

Good point. It does seem to be that way. While I was in LA though there were a bunch of "TV" specials on the various Best Picture nominated films going on (I think in an effort to get Oscar votes I'm sure). There was one on Argo, Lincoln, Life of Pi etc. They were like an hour long too.

But yeah it seems like things move on quickly now.


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 17 2013, 10:36pm


Views: 1461
Oscars

Yeah, I'd imagine in LA right now things would be crazy with those. Here in KC its just adds for the next new release.



AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 17 2013, 11:23pm


Views: 1444
Damn! It held up so well last weekend, and so many other films with more theatre screens have been underperforming it

and making less money. I had hoped that some of those others (like Les Miserables which has made less per theater everyday for a week, but made more on most days overall due to having more screenplay) would get bumbed down, while it held at at least over 700, and hopefully as much as 9. Glad it seemed to do so well, even with the vastly reduced count. It should still be able to pull out at over 300 million.

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According to BOM:

605 theaters (-396)


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Kimtc
Rohan


Feb 17 2013, 11:27pm


Views: 1465
Entertainment Weekly said its on pace to hit $300 million on Monday.

So if you have the day off, go get those tickets!


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 17 2013, 11:34pm


Views: 1425
Awesome!

Hopefully with a strong finish in China lets hit 1 billion and celebrate a successful first trek in the awesome journey of The Hobbit.



Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Feb 17 2013, 11:51pm


Views: 1393
I'll be going tomorrow. I think there are now only 2 showtimes though.

 


Glorfindela
Valinor

Feb 17 2013, 11:56pm


Views: 783
I'm going on Tuesday

… to catch it in 48 HFR (in the UK). Hope this is not the last week for it in the UK.


Glorfindela
Valinor

Feb 17 2013, 11:59pm


Views: 778
By the way

Why is it so important for it to make the $300 million mark in the United States? Why is this considered such an important landmark?

Often wondered about this.


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 12:09am


Views: 785
Nice!

When I went a couple weeks ago they where down to only 2 a day for me.



Elessar
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 12:11am


Views: 795
Success

I think it's just a sign a movie had a very successful run more than anything.



imin
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 12:13am


Views: 791
Oh so close!

It has basically done it - took a long time but got there in the end!

Looks like good odds for getting to $1 billion overall once opened in China i would have thought.


Old Toby
Grey Havens


Feb 18 2013, 12:13am


Views: 758
Although I have to work on Monday

I went to see it twice this weekend. Just trying to do my part! Hope it makes it to $300 mil tomorrow! Go, fans, go!

"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)


MasterOrc
Rivendell


Feb 18 2013, 12:16am


Views: 784
Very well said King

Elessar... I'm sure all three movies will be there (1 billion) and (will be) back again.


(This post was edited by MasterOrc on Feb 18 2013, 12:16am)


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 12:23am


Views: 769
Agreed...

MO Smile I fully expect all three to hit that if not more for each film and I figure to see each of them an average of 5 times each. Cool



Eowyn3
Rivendell

Feb 18 2013, 12:35am


Views: 752
What a great idea,

It will be my 10th viewing. And I can still see it in HFR3D. Today I'm watching FOTR EE at home! The sacrifices we have to make!Smile

" He has just as much reason to go to war as you do. Why can he not fight for those he loves?"


MasterOrc
Rivendell


Feb 18 2013, 12:36am


Views: 758
You would think for those

of us who see the film five times ore more they'd give us an advanced copy of DOS...Cool Talk about California Dreaming....Wink


Eowyn3
Rivendell

Feb 18 2013, 12:43am


Views: 719
Or, preferred sitting for the premiere! //

 

" He has just as much reason to go to war as you do. Why can he not fight for those he loves?"


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 12:43am


Views: 721
Fantastic idea!

I'm totally in agreement my friend. Even if its dreaming I'd like to not wake up from that one. Cool



Elessar
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 12:44am


Views: 730
I'd take that idea as well. :)

 



Bombadil
Half-elven


Feb 18 2013, 1:09am


Views: 714
We do I have a TORnsib... from China

 Mentioned he had to go to Hong Kong
to see it already
About 2 weeks ago!

so I'm guessing we
will be hearing from him.

Bomby thought it was cool
we have a correspondent from
Mainland China...


Owain
Tol Eressea


Feb 18 2013, 1:38am


Views: 703
Hopefully he will report on the buzz. Here's to a great...

reception for The Hobbit in China!

Smile

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 18 2013, 7:13am


Views: 692
It is mainly status. The number of movies that pass 300 million in the U.S.A. per annum is significantly

fewer in number than those that make it to 200 million. If Hobbit pulls it off, it will be in a very small group, and that will signify (including to the nay sayers, and especially since nearly half of the money or more was made AFTER the worst and most copious of the naysaying, in its despite and based largely on positive word of mouth in contrast to the harsher criticisms) a certain status of success. There will actually only be only two films to gross in the 300 millions here this year. Granted, there are two more in the 400 million and one in the all but never before heard of 600 million category. Lol. But the 300 millions are equally rare. You might get three or four in a given year, while 200 million plus, of late, may say as much as double those numbers. Also, people will be checking to see if it made money in the same general range as the trilogy. All pricing and format issues aside, to the lay person, if it falls under 300 million it will seem to have failed to measure up in that regard, while if it makes at least 300 million, it will be generally thought to have penetrated into the same ballpark.

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Why is it so important for it to make the $300 million mark in the United States? Why is this considered such an important landmark?

Often wondered about this.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Arannir
Valinor

Feb 18 2013, 7:28am


Views: 682
Could it be...

... that the Hobbit is the first movie with such a "mediocre" Rottentomatoes and Meatcritic score to make that landmarks?

On IMDB people claim that this is only because of blind fanboys... but fans alone, not even Tolkien fans, usually have the weight to pull off such numbers.

I guess this is critic-proof. And word of mouth was good. I guess the verdict really will be how many people go to the second movie... whether the first one caught them enough to see the continuing story.

If so, then PJ and Co did their job right, I suppose.

Yes, a lot of people will come again and scream "Twilight made a lot of money as well and people went to see the sequels". But apparently the directors and producers there made something right too - they caught the attention of the targeted audience and pleased them.

If PJ has done so, cheers to him (which does not mean that one can keep one's own criticism in mind ;) But the "failure" than many people especially on sides like IMSB predicted or saw, just did not happen, no matter how one stretches the meaning of that word).


(This post was edited by Arannir on Feb 18 2013, 7:28am)


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Feb 18 2013, 9:28am


Views: 643
Definitely not the first.

There are many different ways one could look at this, of course, but for the purposes of this argument, let's group movies into basic categories:

1. High Critic Rating/High Box Office These are the movies all studios dream about: they make money AND earn respect. They are quite rare and hard to predict. This is the heady company LOTR found itself in, to the great shock of a lot of the industry players (there was a lot of naysaying going around before FOTR's release) - and it cannot be repeated often enough just how rare it was for a fantasy film to achieve it.

2. Low Critic Rating/High Box Office If a studio can't have #1, they'll happily settle for #2. This is traditionally the "summer blockbuster" category of action popcorn flicks, and where most of the decent sci-f and fantasy films land. The Hobbit is firmly in this group at this point. These films may win technical awards for effects, and makeup, etc., but never the "big" categories of acting, directing, script and so on.

3. High Critic Rating/Low Box Office This category includes "Oscar Bait" films and "art" films. Ensemble casts of respected actors, gritty personal dramas, literary and psychological themes are all frequently found in this category.

4. Low Critic Rating/Low Box Office Turkeys, flops, Gigli. 'Nuff said.

The largest-grossing picture of the year frequently comes from Category 2, but the Best Picture winner is usually from Category 3 and sometimes from Category 1. Of course, these aren't absolute divides, it's more of a sliding scale.

But it seems to me that what the heated debate is really about is the fact that LOTR was in Category 1 and a lot of people were sure that meant The Hobbit must automatically land there as well. The fact that it didn't stung. Having missed out on the prestige of critical approval, extra emphasis is being placed on the Box Office, as the other half of the bragging rights which is still available. It's a sort of saving face, I suppose. The irony, of course, is that hardly anyone, even the fans, expected LOTR to be a Category 1 - back in 2001, we'd have all been thrilled if it made it into Category 2. We were astonished and euphoric at what actually happened. But The Hobbit suffers from expectation carry-over. It's like having an older brother who never got less than straight A's, and was valedictorian, and got into his first choice college and....you get the picture. Wink

And even those of us who didn't have our hearts set on lightning striking twice are simply pleased that it's a solid financial success and like to cheer it on because it's "ours".

I expect that the second and third films will do a bit better in both box office and with the critics, though not up to LOTR levels of acclaim. We may very well not get any major Oscar noms for this trilogy, though I'd love to be wrong about that.

Silverlode






(This post was edited by Silverlode on Feb 18 2013, 9:29am)


Glorfindela
Valinor

Feb 18 2013, 9:45am


Views: 647
From what I remember of the LOTR films

… they had much more publicity than the Hobbit did. There was masses of advertising and promotion, whereas the Hobbit has had much less exposure. Perhaps Warner Brothers just don't want to spend as much money on this film as New Line did on LOTR?


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 10:19am


Views: 667
Why 300 million for The Hobbit is great and a success

It opened with "just" 84 million the first weekend. A movie usually pulls in about 1/3 of its total gross during the first weekend, sometimes a lot less, sometimes more, but this is usually true. (Some movies are so front-loaded, like the last Harry Potter movie, that it's gross during the first weekend was about 40-45 percent of its total gross)

The Hobbit was not frontloaded. With the standard calculations + mediocre critics reviews and in general just bad buzz (48 fps a big factor), ending it's US run with 300 million is great. With the "standard calculations" TH's gross would have ended on about 250 million. The fact that it didn't means that the word of mouth was good - good enough that the critics was ignored and the anti-48 fps agenda too.

I'll say it again - for a movie that opened with 84 million to end its run with 300 million + is a success. I remember during the first weekends many naysayers predicted that reaching this number was impossible and that we would have to suffice with 200-250 million. I'm glad it didn't.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Arannir
Valinor

Feb 18 2013, 10:53am


Views: 613
Agreed

I agree with a lot of this - especially the surprise of the LotR category.

What I meant with the Hobbit being the first was really only speaking on the absolute numbers (not adjusted) of movies crossing 1 bio (not the 300 in the US, actually) compared to RT (both numbers having an insane amount of difficulties, of course). Intuition somehow first told me that the Hobbit might be the one with the lowest RT score in that list. But my mind ignored Transformers, PotC, Alice, and Menace ;)


I also agree with you that it is mainly the insane expectations that created some of the negative buzz (especially concerning BO numbers and awards) - safe those who are actually dissapointed about the artistical outcome. That is on a different page.

But quite a lot of people - especially among the fans and rather shallow bloggers etc. - thought about the success of the trilogy way too much as a safe trajectory. It never was. While for LotR there was already quite an amount of pressure because of the size of the project and the popularity of the books, the Hobbit now has to compete with both, the books' and the movies' franchises. Each with their own connected hopes, dreams and expectations. Additionaly, you have people fed up with Hobbits and Wizards, you have a lot more (and also good) fantasy movies on that scale - no uniqueness anymore - etc etc.

That is why I always was a bit careful when it came to hyping this movies too much. There were at least as many things that could have gone wrong than right.

Looking at audience reactions, reactions by at least a big part of the critics and the BO numbers makes me feel relieved that more of the positive things came true.

:)


I also expect a rise in both BO numbers and positive reviews as the story becomes more dense and dramatical (although the split between movie 2 and 3 might create negative reactions - that is really where I see the crux for the overall verdict). I was always afraid the lukewarm reviews for AUJ will hurt the whole trilogy, simply because critics won't let their judgment alter like this within one saga. But after seeing how Deathly Hallows Part 1 and 2 differed from each other, I feel more confident that this is possible.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 18 2013, 12:39pm


Views: 607
December

December movies always have better legs thanks to the holidays (and probably slightly smaller openings, too). Comparing them to releases in the summer or even November is apples and oranges. Hobbit dropped pretty hard as soon as the holidays were over. Its opening weekend to total multiplier will be only slightly better than I Am Legend's. Nothing to write home about as far as i'm concerned. I dunno where you pull those $200m - $250m predictions from. I know there were doubts about $300m. Maybe $250m but $200m would have been terrible for a mid December release with a $84m opening. Worst legs ever.


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Feb 18 2013, 12:43pm)


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 18 2013, 12:47pm


Views: 587
Many?


In Reply To
Additionaly, you have people fed up with Hobbits and Wizards, you have a lot more (and also good) fantasy movies on that scale - no uniqueness anymore - etc etc.


I have a hard time coming up with many movies of its ilk. Unless you count everything with creatures or magic in it (Twilight for instance). I would argue LOTR & Hobbit are still pretty unique - sword & sorcery in a fantasy land.


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 12:49pm


Views: 630
December is no guarantee for "good legs"

With bad word of mouth, TH would never have reached 300 million.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.

(This post was edited by macfalk on Feb 18 2013, 12:53pm)


imin
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 12:59pm


Views: 605
I dont think it really had good word of mouth

quite a few friends were hesitant about seeing this due to bad reviews but most who went to see it were pleasantly surprised so i think it made $300 million despite having unfavourable word of mouth - certainly in comparison to the lord of the rings which was seemingly loved by nearly everyone when released.

I think initially (before the release) people were expecting it to get to $300 fairly easily. But once released it did seem in doubt so it has done well to get there in the end.

(i am agreeing its done well but just think maybe its done even better due to reviews).


Silmaril
Rohan


Feb 18 2013, 1:02pm


Views: 670
RIGHT! LotR, Hobbit and Game Of Thrones! nothing more.

i don't care about the rest...so no, i'm not fed up at all!!!


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 1:02pm


Views: 653
If not good word of mouth, it had "something", IMO //

 



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 18 2013, 1:06pm


Views: 653
It is a guarantee for better legs (than in other months), though

Yes, it could have been worse. I wouldn't even say reviews were bad (as a whole), just mediocre. Word of mouth was pretty decent i'd guess.


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 1:08pm


Views: 641
As you said, "better", not guarantee for "good" //

 



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


imin
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 1:14pm


Views: 640
Yeah with that something being unfavourable in comparison to LOTR trilogy, lol //

 


Arannir
Valinor

Feb 18 2013, 1:15pm


Views: 638
Well...

... I did not just mean the setting... but also when it comes to effects, for example. LotR stood out in many technical aspects (and artistical) that are much more doable and common now. Unless he goes totally overboard, it would be hard, for example, to make the Bot5A to anything that "you surely have not seen on film before" - a slogan that many would say applied to several aspects of the LotR trilogy (and that in fact was used).

HFR was supposed to be unique, I guess... but it at least partially backfired.


Arannir
Valinor

Feb 18 2013, 1:17pm


Views: 652
I did not say...

... everyone should be fed up. ;)

I just said some may be fed up... especially those who kind of went with the hype back then but were not that impressed to return now of what many might perceive as "more of the same".


(This post was edited by Arannir on Feb 18 2013, 1:17pm)


Arannir
Valinor

Feb 18 2013, 1:21pm


Views: 647
Word of Mouth vs. Read Critics

But wouldn't "friends who had doubts because of the reviews but that were pleasently surprised after seeing the movie" be people spreading good word of mouth? :D



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quite a few friends were hesitant about seeing this due to bad reviews but most who went to see it were pleasantly surprised so i think it made $300 million despite having unfavourable word of mouth - certainly in comparison to the lord of the rings which was seemingly loved by nearly everyone when released.



imin
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 1:36pm


Views: 637
They have no other friends, haha.

But yeah that was stupid of me, you are totally right, haha. Blush


entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Feb 18 2013, 2:22pm


Views: 618
Maybe the second two movies,

But not FOTR. Fellowship was released a month or so after the first Harry Potter movie, which was expected to be THE box office and critical champion. The industry, and the critics, were astonished at the success of Fellowship.

I think it was the high number of award nominations for Fellowship that convinced New Line to increase the marketing for the remaining two movies.

Until that point, New Line had already sold off the foreign distribution for Fellowship, anticipating a box office disappointment, and had a plan to send the next two movies straight to video.

The Hobbit had much, much more advertising than the Felowship movie. Maybe not as much as the entire LOTR series of movies, but we don't yet know how the entire Hobbit series will be positioned.


Silmaril
Rohan


Feb 18 2013, 2:23pm


Views: 609
ah, ok.

i know what you meant now.


Arannir
Valinor

Feb 18 2013, 2:41pm


Views: 618
Not sure...

... whether this is true and I do not find the source anymore.

But I think I remember reading somewhere that some people at New Line were afraid of a colossal flop when Fellowship hit the cinemas, many fearing Tolkien was seriously outdated in the "Harry Potter" and "Star Wars" era. Plus, with many CGI sequences finalized late in the game, many people simply had no idea how the final movie would look like.

It would make sense that they did not advertise this like THE blockbuster of at least a decade that it eventually grew to be.


I think there were similar fears regarding Titanic... although that was a bit different, since there was one "horror" news from that set every second week and the box office did only speed up after a while (but exploded then).


Glorfindela
Valinor

Feb 18 2013, 2:42pm


Views: 606
Entmaiden

Interesting. I just noticed the advertising much more for LOTR, including FOTR, than for the Hobbit. Perhaps it varied in different countries?


Silmaril
Rohan


Feb 18 2013, 2:50pm


Views: 635
much less PROMOTION in comparison to Skyfall and Twilight!

i always thought that there would be a BIIIIIIG hype about the hobbit movies, that there would be articles in every newspaper, magazines, posters, tv commercials, toys at mc donalds whatever, but there was nearly nothing! and so i think that the film was only seen by people who waited for it, at least in the beginning. it's great that the movie is a success without that hype.


Arannir
Valinor

Feb 18 2013, 3:27pm


Views: 609
I guess...

... there was a lot of hype within the Tolkien/LotR trilogy-fan-community and regular movie-fan-communities.

That is why I can not really judge how a "neutral" person perceived the advertising and the hype around AUJ.

In Germany, most major newspapers and magazines had articles on it around the world premiere (mostly talking about how crazy NZL is about the movies, Air New Zealand, etc.) and then reviews of the actual movie a couple of weeks later.

But I would agree, there was no hype on the scale of the RotK premiere or the Potter/Twilight finales. I also rarely saw TV spots and trailers at the cinema (although I even went to see a few movies I was certain the AUJ trailer should show up).

Still, there was certainly more hype than for your average popcorn flick.

However, at least here in Germany, one reason why the media certainly did not build up much momentum for AUJ was that in late December/January/February newscasting concerning Hollywood movies focuses on the movies with award-buzz. Since AUJ did not have any, I saw much more stories about those movies - especially surrounding the Zero Dark Thirty controversy, Spielberg in general, the movies with German/Austrian influence (Django & Amour) and the snitched Ben Affleck. ;)


(This post was edited by Arannir on Feb 18 2013, 3:27pm)


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 18 2013, 4:07pm


Views: 647
$300m is official

Well, semi official, since we are still dealing with estimates. But i doubt actuals will change that much.


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THE HOBBIT: AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY: $1.28M 4-Day Weekend (est) / $300.16M Domestic Total



imin
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 4:09pm


Views: 611
Flop!

Tongue


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 18 2013, 4:10pm


Views: 581
I dunno about critical


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But not FOTR. Fellowship was released a month or so after the first Harry Potter movie, which was expected to be THE box office and critical champion.


It was expected to be the box office champion. And it was (by a little).


Silmaril
Rohan


Feb 18 2013, 4:33pm


Views: 564
CONGRATS!!!


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Well, semi official, since we are still dealing with estimates. But i doubt actuals will change that much.


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THE HOBBIT: AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY: $1.28M 4-Day Weekend (est) / $300.16M Domestic Total




Glorfindela
Valinor

Feb 18 2013, 5:16pm


Views: 551
With regard to effects

'when it comes to effects, for example. LotR stood out in many technical aspects (and artistical) that are much more doable and common now. Unless he goes totally overboard, it would be hard, for example, to make the Bot5A to anything that "you surely have not seen on film before" - a slogan that many would say applied to several aspects of the LotR trilogy (and that in fact was used).'

I think there is a noticeable improvement in effects for the Hobbit compared with the LOTR films, which is even more noticeable in the 48 HFR format than in the 2D version. The high frame rate is completely new to cinema, and for me and mine it contributes to a fabulous, immersive experience when it comes to this film – one that I have never had in a cinema before. However, you are right – the LOTR films were groundbreaking in their day, and of course they have many highly creative visual moments.


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 5:18pm


Views: 561
That stopped being funny a long while ago!

Nah, keep it up Cool



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Ataahua
Forum Admin / Moderator


Feb 18 2013, 5:39pm


Views: 550
I'll be interested to see how films two and three open.

Given AUJ's eventual popularity, the reviews for DOS and TABA might be ignored and people could flock to them on the strength of film one.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


Ataahua's stories


Owain
Tol Eressea


Feb 18 2013, 5:40pm


Views: 562
Should be interesting to see how it does in China.

Warner Bros. is expecting a big opening there.

We shall see.

Smile

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Owain
Tol Eressea


Feb 18 2013, 5:42pm


Views: 554
Agreed. I think 2 and 3

will be bigger and I think they are going to get more positive reviews because the story get's gradually darker and more complex.

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


ShireHorse
Rohan

Feb 18 2013, 7:40pm


Views: 555
The Hobbit in China.

Here are some Chinese "coming soon" adverts for the film (press the translate button if you have one):

http://theater.mtime.com/China_Beijing/movie/

Then, if you click on the film, you will see that, so far, it has been awarded 9 stars: no other film beats it on that page. It is the "most anticipated" film in the current top ten. Hope this is a good sign for its popularity when it opens on Feb 22nd.

http://movie.mtime.com/51229/


Owain
Tol Eressea


Feb 18 2013, 7:48pm


Views: 675
Is there a way to view the site in English?//

 

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


ShireHorse
Rohan

Feb 18 2013, 8:26pm


Views: 646
I'm sorry if you haven't got a translator

but, in my case, whenever something comes up in anything other than English. a drop-down strip at the top of the page asks me if I want a translation. This is useful although the translation is usually atrocious.

On that first link where it shows a selection of films, it says that 10,986 people have clicked to say they want to see TH, ten times more than want to see Die Hard, three times more than Judge Dredd and twice as many as Les Miserables.

On the second link, The Hobbit page, apart from general details about the film, it says that more than 11,000 people have favourited it. Then, if you look to the column to the left of TH picture, the top black strip says Overview, then Details, then Trailers. If you click on Trailers, you get a million of them including PJ's vlogs.

At the bottom of the page, you get more than a thousand reviews, only some of which, as on the IMDb board, have been written after seeing the film. But, there seems to be a lot of enthusiasm - I think. The English IS very garbled. Names of actors and characters are amusing. Orlando Bloom is referred to as "Blossoms" and RA is Richard Ami Tagg. Thorin Oakenshield is Sorin Elm.

Over on Deviant Art today, I found a Chinese girl who had produced a well-drawn picture of a "modern" Thorin wearing braids and glasses. She said that she had flown to Hong Kong so that she could see the film in advance. She had stayed three days and had seen it four times. Thorin had been the unexpected revelation for her.

Hopefully, everyone will be as enthusiastic as this young lady, LOL!


Owain
Tol Eressea


Feb 18 2013, 8:31pm


Views: 613
Ah! Thanks!//

 

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Steven Van der Berg
Rivendell


Feb 18 2013, 8:31pm


Views: 625
Here ya go.

Here


Owain
Tol Eressea


Feb 18 2013, 8:34pm


Views: 633
Ah! Thank you as well.//

 

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


ShireHorse
Rohan

Feb 18 2013, 8:37pm


Views: 625
Thanks, Steven.

When I tried to post it in translated form, things didn't work and it transmitted the wrong page.


Steven Van der Berg
Rivendell


Feb 18 2013, 8:47pm


Views: 627
Looks like it is getting released there on the same day as "Elavator Cry"

with an interest rating of 1.6 ;)


(This post was edited by Steven Van der Berg on Feb 18 2013, 8:48pm)


Owain
Tol Eressea


Feb 18 2013, 8:52pm


Views: 625
I think the hopes are somewhere between...

$50-$100 million from China... I had read that as a projected goal awhile back.

It will be interesting to see. The New Year should help.

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 18 2013, 8:55pm


Views: 638
This little sniping snippet from Box Off. Mojo tells exactly why 300 million in U.S. America was critical for THIS movie

and will be for the next one as well.

"Despite dominating the end-of-year box office, The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey fell to fourth place in January with $65.7 million. Nearing the end of its run, The Hobbit has grossed $294.3 million, and it could ultimately wind up below $300 million. That's a bit of a surprise, considering all three Lord of the Rings movies made more than that, and The Hobbit had a decade of ticket price inflation and the addition of 3D/IMAX premiums working in its favor."

Meet, hateraid. For whatever reason, and there are several, there are some facets of the industry that have wanted to paint anything shy of rousing success for this movie as failure. The fact that it is estimated as having already passed 300 million as of today will not put an end to all of that, but it will choke off some of the more obnoxious derisions, by having completely turned the doom predictions that installments like these issued after the first "not as great as expected" week.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 18 2013, 9:07pm


Views: 645
Sorry, don't see the hateraid.

Nothing in that paragraph strikes me as "hateraid".


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 10:01pm


Views: 662
It's a lock!

There we have it, it's updated now on the main page of TH:AUJ on box office mojo: www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=hobbit.htm

Domestic Total as of Feb. 18, 2013: $300,160,000

Naysayers be damned, it's officially a lock.!




The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 10:14pm


Views: 599
I wonder if it could take down Skyfall next.

Skyfall ended its run on $303,460,116.




The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 18 2013, 10:15pm


Views: 571
He is right though. Leading into the era of The Rings movies you had a small handful, most tightly clutched

together in either the late seventies or the early to mid 80s (or the distant past of the Silver Screen era, i.e. The Wizard of Oz). You had what? Excalibur (mediocre effects but strong on script and acting, with enough grit and sex to make it serious to the so called realists), then the hybrid mysticism/epic/sci-fi Star Wars, and a few 80s genre classics like the Henson gifts, i.e. The Dark Crystal and Labyrinth, alongside The Neverending Story, Willow and Legend, (half of which had a mediocre performance at the box office, and only really got their due on VHS and later DVD as they became cult classics for people who grew up in the 80s and their friends and scions (some of whom happened to become famous directors and writers in their own right, and helped propel the rumour and awareness of the films into later popular culture), and for genre fans. There are also a few animated gems of related nature, like The Last Unicorn. Then you had one or two mediocre genre films, from the same decade, like He-Man and Conan. And then you had a series of horrible, pitiful (by most estimations), almost painful to watch films like Beastmaster and the like. Virtually anything else you can come up with that is firmly in the genre ( I leave out some great films with supernatural creatures, as they are not really in the same genre even if they have some of the same elements) from later than 1988 or 1989, and prior to 2000 was animated (The Nightmare Before Chritsmas, Spirited Away), or badly done and a flop (see Dungeons and Dragons). The 90s was a wasteland for movies of the Sword and Sorcery Genre. I don't even think any were made, Evil Dead and The Mummy if you stretch the genre to horror movies with portions set in Epic periods? Robin Hood Prince of Theives (and Men in Tights Ha!), if you stretch it to medival times with even a touch of sorcery implied?

Then we enter the 21st century and there is an opening of the floodgates. A decision is made to film and release movies in the genre based on classics like Rings and Narnia, and on hugely sucessful series like Harry Potter, with all the willingness and care of those 80s classics, alongside the rights to material, the broader technological options and enormous funding that Jim Henson, and even George Lucas at the time, did not have. Now, there is no denying, of the films that were made, The Lord of The Rings stands head and shoulders above the rest, in large part by virtue of the awards that it garnered, being, thus far, alone amongst its kind (and amongst any of the more paranormal/supernatural leaning genres) to achieve such accolades.

Having said that, and to Arranir's point, the period between 2000 and the Hobbit release of 2012 saw all three Rings films, eight Harry Potter films, three Narnia films (the first of which, at least, was very well received and made a strong net gain at the box office), Stardust and Pan's Labyrinth. All of those films had very high production quality, all of them were well acted, and most of them, exempting perhaps the last Narnia film, had at least reasonably good scripts, and at least one or two celebrated veteran actors in the cast performing exemplary work. Thus, after an entire decade in which this genre was avoided like a known carrier of gonnereah and syphillis, and during which no one aside from Tim Burton even drew close to its borders ( an avoidance due in no small part that the previous decade had produced only a handful of really good, quality films in the genre, and only about two of those from that Handful actually did well at the box office in their initial runs), we have seen a decade plus in which EVERY single year has offered at least one, and in some cases as many as three, high end, peak production quality, well made, well acted, Blockbuster films in the genre of Enchanted Realms. They have become ubiquitous aspects of popular culture, far exceeding anything from the previous three decades.

Are their distinctions between, say, Potter and Rings? ABSOLUTELY! But the differences between the High and Low of the genre are lost on more mundane critics and audiences. . . on the damn muggles, if you will. lol. Those who casually enjoy the genre can no longer be easily overwhelmed by a good film in the genre. They can find wonder in it, but it cannot blow them away as a wholly new experience the way it once would have. Those who don't and never did care for the genre, and who can't tell Gandalf from Dumbledore, can barely tell either one of them from the older Obi Wan Kenobi, or Arwen from Bella from Susan, and might almost struggle to work out the differences between Galadriel and The White Witch or Aslan and the great, white warg, have had all they can stand of such films, and can no longer be caught off their guard by the mere fact of one having a combination of good effects, good actors and a solid script.

Thus, while a little over a decade ago (say in 1999) An Unexpected Journey, as it stands, would have stood out as a great gemstone of wonder, causing jaws to drop left, right and center, and being hailed as a wonder far surpassing The Wizard of Oz, and a great and amazing feat that everyone should rush out to see. . . now, in the wake of over a dozen high-end genre spectacles, running one after the other for nearly 13 years. . . . it gets looked at with a far cooler and more critical eye, compared to every one of the good to great films that proceeded it in this century, and inevitably not always favourably etc. etc. That, I think, is the crux of what Arannir was saying, and I think it is a valid assesment.

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Additionaly, you have people fed up with Hobbits and Wizards, you have a lot more (and also good) fantasy movies on that scale - no uniqueness anymore - etc etc.


I have a hard time coming up with many movies of its ilk. Unless you count everything with creatures or magic in it (Twilight for instance). I would argue LOTR & Hobbit are still pretty unique - sword & sorcery in a fantasy land.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Old Toby
Grey Havens


Feb 18 2013, 10:15pm


Views: 594
Hurrah and Bravo!!!

SmileSmile

"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 18 2013, 10:27pm


Views: 558
I think it did. I think that is part of what saved it. It had mediocre critical reviews, but as you say

most of the people who went to see it were pleasantly surprised. . . and they said so, to their friends, relatives and acquaintainces. And that is the word of mouth aspect. The average film goer telling another filmgoer, "You know, I saw that Hobbit movie, and I couldn't understand why the critics were trashing it. I really enjoyed it myself." Or, for the many who barely follow critics. "Yah, saw the Hobbit and it was a pretty good watch. You should definitely check it out."

So the official reviews hurt it, but the majority of people who saw it liked it, and spread the word so that others who were on the fence took the plunge. Also, I think a lot of casual fans may have been surprised to find themselves enjoying it more than they did the prior trilogy, for its easier accessibility and lighter tone.

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quite a few friends were hesitant about seeing this due to bad reviews but most who went to see it were pleasantly surprised so i think it made $300 million despite having unfavourable word of mouth - certainly in comparison to the lord of the rings which was seemingly loved by nearly everyone when released.

I think initially (before the release) people were expecting it to get to $300 fairly easily. But once released it did seem in doubt so it has done well to get there in the end.

(i am agreeing its done well but just think maybe its done even better due to reviews).


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 10:40pm


Views: 574
Don't forget Game of Thrones

Another brick in the wall of the ever-growing popularity of fantasy on film and TV.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Feb 18 2013, 10:43pm


Views: 566
your right, GOT is hugely popular

it was the biggest "bootlegged" tv series last year.


take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty, oh will you please take me home!!


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 18 2013, 10:57pm


Views: 550
Right! Game of Thrones! Even more to Arannir's point, and I am ashamed to have overlooked it

especially considering how in love my lady and I are with sexy, mighty, wonderful, awwww droooooool demi-goddess and dragon queen Daenerys (someone else who those who are hostile towards the genre cannot differentiate from Galadriel, crazy as that may sound to those of us who know better and more lol).

Yet, that too is an important factor. Alongside all the high end genre films, you had two seasons of an Emmy Award nominated (with actor wins), full on sex, grit and mayhem, Shakesperean drama and Greco/Roman tragic and epic show in the genre. Truly Sword and Sorcery and high quality, and mature in all apects and void of whimsey, so grim it is very difficult not to take seriously while still calling one's self a serious person. It might as well be yet another film for comparison.

Rings was akin to a large shark in a small lake. An Unexpected Journey is a large shark amidst a fair number of other large sharks in a large body of water indeed.

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i don't care about the rest...so no, i'm not fed up at all!!!


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Feb 18 2013, 11:26pm


Views: 533
I really meant award-winning.

The HP franchise was supposed to take all the technical awards, what with Quidditch and such. I don't remember many critics saying that Fellowship was going to be better than Potter.


Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Feb 18 2013, 11:41pm


Views: 532
Woo Hoo!

And the fans are the little engine that could. Well not so little...PJ and the cast got the train to the station and started. The fans and viewers drove this baby down the tracks.


MasterOrc
Rivendell


Feb 18 2013, 11:44pm


Views: 529
And Skyfall was..

at best a good movie. Most people I know who saw it all agreed...


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 18 2013, 11:59pm


Views: 514
Sweet

That's fantastic that it crossed 300 million today. It's a moment we the fans can say that a movie based on the works we loved has done really well. That despite crappy reviews by critics who looked to be negative for no real good reason (lame trilogy and 48 fps knocks) and despite constant beating of the dead horse by some fans wishing it to fail. The word of mouth this got I do believed helped it overcome those two things and I believe will help the next film do even better.



imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 12:10am


Views: 528
I am unsure what that has to do with BO or how much marketing it got?

So far more people have been to the cinema to watch Skyfall than TH - and it seems likely that will be the case when TH ends in cinemas unless China has millions upon millions go and see TH.

If you are talking about awards or reviews - both favour Skyfall over TH.

I think WB for whatever reason just missed out on marketing TH as heavily as it perhaps needed to, or gone about it in a different way. People like us were always going to see it no matter what - its to get the undecided people in that counts.

I would also put Skyfall above TH for entertainment and just overall how good it was. It was the shock hit of the year in my opinion - over $1.1 billion, for a 2d film in October/November, incredible!


imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 12:21am


Views: 530
Yeah i was being stupid

I think i replied back about me not really thinking my comment through, haha.

I guess i meant, despite the number of bad reviews (which actually were in the minority compared to good reviews) but relative to LOTR were much greater, it done well in the end to be closing in on a billion.

I am unsure if casual fans enjoyed it more though. Though it is very hard to say one way or the other. I don't think a lighter tone matters - TDKR did more than fine at the BO and it is way less happy than LOTR. As for accessibility again i think both TH and LOTR are accessible - the idea of something evil must be destroyed is equally as obvious as a dragon took our wealth and home, we now want to get it back. Both movies (especially FOTR and TH) are get from point A to point B with things happening to us along the journey - no split up of the fellowship etc.

Depends on how one defines enjoyment - when the avengers and dark knight rises came out there was lots of talk of how the avengers was so much more entertaining. Well for some maybe - but not for me. I found it to be boring, poorly written and acted, lacking suspense or drama, it was a big con - a completely average pop corn flick masquerading as anything but that.

Though i know what a lot of people mean when they say entertaining, it's basically, lighter tone and harmless action. Guess it just depends on what people define it as. But sometimes that's all people want - hence how the avengers, as average as it was, went on to make a killing at the box office.

As American's say - Go figure Smile


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 12:22am


Views: 503
Skyfall was....

Awesome and I enjoyed the heck out of it. That being said for me it wasn't close to The Hobbit and only one film in 2012 could come close. That film was Lincoln which I would put in my personal top 5-10 favorite films ever. The avengers was a blast for me but its not at the level of those two for me but I do think its the best comic book movie ever.

I will agree with anyone that WB needed to market The Hobbit a little better. It wasn't bad but I thought it could have been stronger.



(This post was edited by Elessar on Feb 19 2013, 12:23am)


imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 12:27am


Views: 608
For me its the other way round

I am a fan of both but Skyfall was Bond at it's best in years maybe even ever for me. The Hobbit was, well not that.

I don't even think the avengers is the best comic book movie either this year or out of the avengers, lol.

Both Dredd and TDKR were a zillion times better than avengers for me. It was one of the few times i wanted to get my money back from a film. Though looking back i just don't think it was my thing as clearly millions of people loved it.


Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Feb 19 2013, 12:37am


Views: 607
I agree with this to a degree


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So far more people have been to the cinema to watch Skyfall than TH - and it seems likely that will be the case when TH ends in cinemas unless China has millions upon millions go and see TH.

If you are talking about awards or reviews - both favour Skyfall over TH.

I think WB for whatever reason just missed out on marketing TH as heavily as it perhaps needed to, or gone about it in a different way. People like us were always going to see it no matter what - its to get the undecided people in that counts.

I would also put Skyfall above TH for entertainment and just overall how good it was. It was the shock hit of the year in my opinion - over $1.1 billion, for a 2d film in October/November, incredible!


I enjoyed The Hobbit more than Skyfall, but I also think that WB's marketing was not as strong as it could have been. it was too repetitive, too "from the director of the Lord of the Rings" and was not the strongest. The fact that the film has done so well in spite of that and in spite of some early negative reviews shows to me that it is a strong film and I think the other two are going to do extremely well.


imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 12:45am


Views: 617
I believe the next two films are going to do better

I think they will be marketed better and i also think the reviews which were based solely on HFR will have to focus on something else - i would expect anyway, which if the film is good can only be a positive thing.

I also agree that the marketing was a little misleading - all the Lord of the Rings connections - i think people can be forgiven for going in expecting the same again in that regard and this time round you would think they can learn from that.

With the tone getting a little bit darker that might also be better for reviews - though that is just a total guess.

Personally i don't think TH is a bad film, just not that good in parts. For me Skyfall was that little bit better but i would like to like TH more as i prefer that world and obviously very excited about it before hand, lol. I hope the next one is better and i hope eventually someone re-adapts them Tongue


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 19 2013, 12:47am


Views: 645
I gotta disagree (surprise!)

Falling short of many people's predictions is not a cause to go around and boast.

Legs were okay, word of mouth i believe was okay, too. Nothing special. That's how i would summarize the whole run, nothing special. It did the very least it should do for a prequel to the mega hit LOTR.

That's not to say that i'm not happy and relieved that it hit $300m, because chances were that it would not.


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 19 2013, 12:49am


Views: 623
For some, the tone and density matters. We love the depth, but not everybody does.

Both I and others on the forum have encountered casual, lay fans (i.e. people who like the movies, but who may or may not have read any of the books, and who are not at all steeped in the lore, nor interested in becoming learned in it) who expressed having enjoyed it better. Strange as it may seem to us, there are people who like movies in this genre, but who found Rings too heavy, too dense and comples, and too full of portent and lore. We love that, but that isn't everyone's cup of tea, and I and others here have noted that some fans who didn't love the Rings trilogy as they had hoped found Hobbit much more charming and fun.

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I think i replied back about me not really thinking my comment through, haha.

I guess i meant, despite the number of bad reviews (which actually were in the minority compared to good reviews) but relative to LOTR were much greater, it done well in the end to be closing in on a billion.

I am unsure if casual fans enjoyed it more though. Though it is very hard to say one way or the other. I don't think a lighter tone matters - TDKR did more than fine at the BO and it is way less happy than LOTR. As for accessibility again i think both TH and LOTR are accessible - the idea of something evil must be destroyed is equally as obvious as a dragon took our wealth and home, we now want to get it back. Both movies (especially FOTR and TH) are get from point A to point B with things happening to us along the journey - no split up of the fellowship etc.

Depends on how one defines enjoyment - when the avengers and dark knight rises came out there was lots of talk of how the avengers was so much more entertaining. Well for some maybe - but not for me. I found it to be boring, poorly written and acted, lacking suspense or drama, it was a big con - a completely average pop corn flick masquerading as anything but that.

Though i know what a lot of people mean when they say entertaining, it's basically, lighter tone and harmless action. Guess it just depends on what people define it as. But sometimes that's all people want - hence how the avengers, as average as it was, went on to make a killing at the box office.

As American's say - Go figure Smile


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 12:55am


Views: 614
yeah maybe

Though i know only 1 person in my real life who agrees with you on that. Still that doesn't mean much as it could just happen my friends are ok with things being deeper.

i think overall one could look a ratings on websites for audience views, all show the three lotr movies are more liked. Maybe they are wrong but i doubt it, basically lots like the hobbit but more liked the lotr movies.

As for TH being more fun, i go back to my comment on entertainment Smile


(This post was edited by imin on Feb 19 2013, 12:55am)


Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Feb 19 2013, 1:00am


Views: 613
That's the same for me

I just like the world better in The Hobbit vs. Skyfall. Skyfall was a very good film. I also think The Hobbit is a very good film. And honestly, there were flaws with all three LOTR films but you're right the 3d and HFR drew a lot of the criticism. I really hope WB does a better marketing job with the next two. They are going to do well anyway but I would like to see less laziness on their part.


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 1:05am


Views: 593
Interesting

I'm not a big fan of Bond but I did enjoy this one quite a bit.

Can't agree with you there. Didn't see Dredd but it didn't look like anything special. TDKR was the weakest of it series and an really an average at best comic book film. It took itself way too seriously and ended a good series on a downer. It had good moments that I enjoyed and kept it for being bad but it was a let down for me.



Elessar
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 1:09am


Views: 621
I'm shocked

ShockedShockedShocked

No really. Angelic



imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 1:13am


Views: 581
Dredd is a difficult one

It didn't try and do anything special but what it did do, it did very well.

TDKR for me was way better than Batman Begins the worst of the three, though i think its a little less than TDK. I also don't see it as ending on a downer, i don't really see it as a comic book movie really but if it is to be counted as such then its better than Avengers.

As for Dredd, i know now if you aren't interested i can't persuade u to go, but i have a feeling you would like it as it isn't taking itself serious and doesn't get too deep or dark, its more just full on action and Eomer is awesome in it! Dredd is a tough sell in USA though due to what Dredds are and the world they are in.

In films though i have a tendancy to want the bad guys to win, lol. So films like Avengers where it is sugary sweet and all is happy and at no point is there any danger because they have a pathetic villain i could beat, makes me feel a little ill, lol. But i liked how they just went completely all American on it and kept true to the comics, in tone (from what i understand). I think had i been raised in the US i would like Avengers alot more than i do.

If i were you though, i would rent dredd, if you have a 3D tv and Blu-ray it will really surprise you Smile


imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 1:15am


Views: 601
he is speaking the truth though

It has done well to get to 300 million and 1 billion overall (near enough) but there was no one who feared it wouldn't beforehand and many were saying it would make way more. So in that respect it has been nothing special - for itself.

If it were a film i made then yes that would be incredible, as its a middle earth film then its done good but nothing special.

As i said in another post, i think the next two will make progressively more money, especially in USA.


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 1:27am


Views: 568
Dredd difficult?

Looked like a simple action film. I will see it but it seemed pretty simple.

Agree to disagree I guess. Like I said for me it was the weakest of the three. Again, agree to disagree. Nolan just didn't do a great job for me. I was excited for it and did the whole marathon at my local AMC. When it ended I thought that was it. The series as a whole is ok but takes itself way too seriously and isn't very faithful to the character as a whole. There are plenty that feel that way but I'm not one. Im happy to see Batman move on from Nolan.

I wouldn't call Loki pathetic. For me he was better than say any of the bad guys in the Nolan batman films. The Joker was fantastic but topped by Loki for me. bane was so cool until the whole lame switch at the end.



Elessar
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 1:30am


Views: 583
I don't know about truth

Did some of us (expect) it to do even better? I sure did. However, 300 million and a billion world wide is still pretty special. That's my truth. lol



imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 1:39am


Views: 540
Dredd is a difficult one in so much as

you think its nothing special but it isn't trying to be, as you say it is very simple - but that is one of its strengths and it works very well and does what it wants brilliantly. I think the reasons you like the avengers is the reason you might like dredd, though its hard for me to know as i see almost no redeemable features to the avengers - i was in shock when it ended. Shocked i managed to stay awake, lol, but also shock that it was that bad when it had good reviews. Loki - as i have no knowledge of the characters other than the individual films before avengers (all were bad apart from the mediocre film, iron man 1) i had no attachment to any, didn't know how they were meant to be, what the story was meant to be. I was going in fresh so to speak. I just felt at no point did i feel the avengers would lose and at one point the hulk just made a joke out of him. I would say both joker and bane were better villains. I didn't mind Marion twist at end of TDKR though i did think her death scene was terrible! Really bad and its a shame as i have a massive crush on her haha.

I don't get the taking itself too serious thing, as that could be said of any film which is not light hearted i guess? It had a darker tone but i see that as a plus.

I also really dislike the camp batman of the past so was so so so thankful they changed batman and gave him a new direction. It will be interesting to see where it goes from here, for me i dont think anyone will top TDK with batman.

I think it essentially just comes down to different tastes, clearly you are in the avengers camp and im in the batman camp - one could say - one likes 'fun' films one likes 'dark' films, as you say agree to disagree on it.


imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 1:44am


Views: 554
I forgot i can't mention the hobbit not meeting expectations

on here, lol.

i will revise my comment

The hobbit is the best film in the world and made more money than anyone predicted, be that fans, critics or industry experts, everyone thought it would only make $ 20, how wrong we were.

No film has ever made as much as the hobbit and it's a miracle which will end world poverty and stop wars.

Positive enough for peeps?









*just in case - that's sarcasm. Tongue


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 2:02am


Views: 547
Dredding

Then if its a simple film it should be an easy watch.

Don't know what to tell ya. The Avengers was awesome for me so I totally disagree that it was bad. I didn't expect them to kill off any of the main guys especially when they have sequels going forward.mi wouldn't have been shocked if Nolan had because he created his own Batman. The Joker was sweet! I was all good with Bane until the end. I agree her death scene was bad but not as bad as the twist.

Yeah, I'm sure you could. Batman should be dark but there is a difference in that and taking itself too serious. There was no comic element and this by all definitions wasn't batman.

I agree. Don't get me wrong I do like the series but its nothing special for me. I'm more of a Marvel guy than a DC guy.



imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 2:07am


Views: 539
Maybe i don't like batman

i just like this version if him which isn't really batman? as i have no connection to the comics i couldnt care less if they trashed him from the comics, lol.

Also which comic book group does Superman come from? When i was a kid he was my favourite - pretty much the only one on tv, lol.

I am looking forward to the new superman as it looks like its going in a batman direction - how do you feel about that?

I can see if you like the comics and everything that Avengers was cool as it was like the comic coming to life, i think i just dont like those types of comics.

Would you class v for vendetta and watchmen as comics or are they graphic novels? Is there any difference between those two? i dunno, lol.


Kirly
Lorien


Feb 19 2013, 2:22am


Views: 563
"there was no one" and other generalities

I've been reading here again since AUJ came out and I think you do that quite a bit - speak for "everyone", generalize, etc. People like to speak for themselves - especially when it comes to opinion.

And that sarcasm below that goes something like "oh, i forgot i can't post anything negative here". That is not true as anyone can see by how often negative opinions are indeed posted here. I guess I just don't find it amusing. Also, someone holding a different opinion than yours, even one that is diametrically opposed, is not always, or even usually, an attack on you personally nor on your opinion.

These are just some things I wanted to mention. Your mileage may vary.

My avatar photo is Lake Tekapo in New Zealand's South Island. Taken by me in 2004 on a Red Carpet Tours LOTR Movie Location Tour. 'Twas the Vacation of a Lifetime!

pictures taken while on the tour are here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/Kirly7/LOTRNewZealandTour#


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 2:25am


Views: 533
I dunno

There are plenty of comic fans that love the movies. It's just as a whole I don't think the movies bring enough of the comic batman to them and try to be too much "real" life. So I do think you having no attachment to comic plays into it.

He's from DC. I am looking forward to the new Superman movie as well. I don't mind it being some real world but you've got to keep the heart of the comic in there. If they can do that I'm cool with it.

Those are graphic novels. v for Vendetta is awesome both as a movie and graphic novel. Then Watchmen was ok in both forms. Nothing great but not terrible.

Comic books tend to be short. Graphic Novels tend to be much longer. basically larger stories with pictures.



Elessar
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 2:30am


Views: 529
He didn't mean it personal

He was talking to me and I did not take it personal. IMin doesn't roll that way I don't think.



imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 2:33am


Views: 535
I was here before the release of the film

and as far as i can remember there was no one who thought it wouldn't make as much as it has. If that is generalisze then so be it, in this case it's true.

Sarcasm doesn't go well with some people and i don't think im being attacked personally in the threads i am giving my opinions as everyone else is - they can speak perfectly well for themselves.

Also the can't say anything negative in here is related to this specific thread - the box office thread - its a running joke with others on here after all the comments back and forth between people before and after the release of the film. the same joke has been made by other posters from time to time, i am following in that tradition you could say, though if you didn't know that then i can see it coming across badly.

Ultimately if you don't like my posts then ignore them Smile


imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 2:40am


Views: 517
Ah ok

I was just curious as i thought maybe someone could put the comics together so as to make a graphic novel?

I get where you are coming from with batman - i think had i read them before the film i would have been shocked and disliked the changes made, i am almost certain i would going off my reaction to some changes in other movies where i have read the book, e.g. the hobbit, lol.

I think they will try to make it maybe halfway between batman and avengers - for superman - that way no one can complain its too dark or too light, lol. It will be the goldilocks of superhero/comic movies, lol.

I also love v for vendetta - both movie and graphic novel - i was surprised how faithful it was to the book.

Oh and thanks for your support - as you know i didn't mean it personally and never do to anyone who posts on here. Smile


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 19 2013, 2:50am


Views: 537
I hope they don't make Superman dark or spiteful. That ain't him.

People hassle him for being square, but he is a model of decency and restraint. . . and some people hate it, because they are so much nastier themselves. lol Now, back to the Hobbit and how it kicked Twilight's ass (thank Heaven!) lol.

In Reply To
i just like this version if him which isn't really batman? as i have no connection to the comics i couldnt care less if they trashed him from the comics, lol.

Also which comic book group does Superman come from? When i was a kid he was my favourite - pretty much the only one on tv, lol.

I am looking forward to the new superman as it looks like its going in a batman direction - how do you feel about that?

I can see if you like the comics and everything that Avengers was cool as it was like the comic coming to life, i think i just dont like those types of comics.

Would you class v for vendetta and watchmen as comics or are they graphic novels? Is there any difference between those two? i dunno, lol.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 2:58am


Views: 551
There is still one twilight that has made more though

isn't there? Going off BO mojo anyway by a couple of hundred thousand - which if not already will be gone by end of the week.

it totally should make more money than twilight (imo in case anyone should think i am generalizing!)

I agree about superman - he should be good and decent - but i think the film itself can be serious whilst still keeping the main character good - something i am sure they will do. He will have demons to overcome but i don't think they will make him spiteful - least i hope not!


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 3:01am


Views: 502
Graphic novels

Well, if you take a run of a certain storyline you can create one. They do that now with most comic runs putting certain arcs in a run.

That would be a good comparison. I can deal with certain changes as long as the heart is there much in the case of lotr or the hobbit. Nolan's batman just missed that for me.

That's what I expect as well.

Ditto. They did a really fantastic job I thought. Very good story.

No problem. You're a good one in my book Cool



(This post was edited by Elessar on Feb 19 2013, 3:02am)


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 8:31am


Views: 647
The Hobbit is currently #17 worldwide

With the nearest Twillight 150 million behind, so no, they have nothing on TH.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 8:34am


Views: 635
I was here, and looked at IMDB during the opening week.

Lots of people thought it would be near impossible to reach 300 million/ 1 billion so in that angle it has surpassed expectations. There were some who swore it would never reach any of the LOTR's and well, it already has, a long time ago.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 8:37am


Views: 617
It would seem that "Dredd" is a "tough sell" in every country in the world:

Total Lifetime Grosses Domestic: $13,414,714 37.7% + Foreign: $22,211,811 62.3%
= Worldwide: $35,626,525



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 11:07am


Views: 604
Talking about US domestic

Smile


imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 11:08am


Views: 590
I don't think there were on here

on IMDB maybe - i will check it out.


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 11:59am


Views: 600
quoted from IMDB

"Terrible box office, the public has spoken"

It may have broken the December record, but it's truly PATHETIC that it could only beat a film like I Am Legend, which came out 5 years ago and didn't have 3D prices, by a few million. Not only that, but this disaster won't even match the gross of any of the LOTR trilogy!"


For your enjoyment: Cool http://www.imdb.com/...d/flat/208316627?p=1



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.

(This post was edited by macfalk on Feb 19 2013, 12:00pm)


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 19 2013, 12:02pm


Views: 581
Maybe he was referring to North America ;)

Considering he's speaking about the North American December record. In that case he would be right, it's not matching any of the LOTRs. Wink

I wouldn't call it a disaster, though.


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Feb 19 2013, 12:02pm)


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 12:05pm


Views: 565
Skyfall has more award buzz, yes

But The Hobbit is on top250 on IMDB with a rating of 8,3. Skyfall has 7,9.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 12:14pm


Views: 573
Fair enough, but this?

"This film will be out of theatres by Martin Luther King Day."



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 12:14pm


Views: 561
Metacritic and RT scores

Skyfall metacritic - 81%
Skyfall RT - 92%

Hobbit Metacritic - 58%
Hobbit RT - 65%


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 19 2013, 12:16pm


Views: 579
Sure, he went a little overboard. ;) //

 


imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 12:21pm


Views: 612
That is a troll posting, lol

It all depends on what you class as special.

I would say it means something that is better than usual. Now has the hobbit made more than the usual film - yes way more. Has it made more than a big blockbuster - no.
Remember the hobbit is meant to be a massive box office Juggernaut so although making 1 billion is impressive when looking at it compared to every film this year, when compared to other big blockbusters its not, its an ordinary amount as the other big blockbusters have made about the same.

If special is making the same as films from 10 years ago with no 3D, IMAX then yes it is special.

To me it has done what it needed to no more - this is not saying its a flop or anything like that, i just didn't read many people saying it would do less than 1 billion. To me to meet the expectations of most is not special, to go beyond them would be.

Smile


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 12:21pm


Views: 603
...or this

"$1 billion worldwide is off the table, which is pathetic given the advantages this has over the original trilogy"



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 12:23pm


Views: 561
I know exactly what the critics thought.

That is why I mentioned the IMDB score which is considerably higher for TH than Skyfall - my point being that most people out there (read: non-critics) liked the film very much.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 19 2013, 12:24pm


Views: 555
Let's wait till it opens in China. ;) //

 


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 12:25pm


Views: 585
Even if it should fail in china, how is 1 billion "off the table" right now? //

 



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 12:33pm


Views: 570
then should i mention RT viewer score which is higher for skyfall?

I was talking about reviews, not viewers ratings. Nice to see you didn't pick up the rest of the post about it making more money and with no 3D so actually having way more people going to see it, lol. What is interesting though is Skyfall and the hobbit should never be in the same area - think of the previous bond films, none made this much, it was a massive surprise it did this much. The hobbit had the previous lotr movies which did well, so it making a billion is not a shock. Its all relative.


Seeing as you are quoting a troll thread here is a real one to balance it out that came before the film was released or any reviews were made.

Commercially, i don't see it not being a success. It'll make at least a billion per movie, overseas markets have expanded since 2003, tickets costs more, 3D even more so and well, there will be the goodwill from LOTR.

This comes from someone who could be considered this films hardest box office critic.

Ultimately the most important thing is to enjoy the film, in parts i did and overall you loved it which is the main thing.


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 2:06pm


Views: 533
IMDB and RT

I've never put much stock into either site.



imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 2:12pm


Views: 531
Me neither really

Though IMDB can be really useful to see a trailer for a movie. It is tough though as there are many trolls but they seem to go from movie to movie. an example would be the lord of the rings board - there used to be loads of trolls but now i don't think there are many, it seems to be more just discussion about the films and the books - very similar to here.

I can remember i went on the board for the dark knight rises - woah! I have never seen so much hate and trolling going on - sometimes though very occasionally they (trolls can be hilarious).

Oh they are also good for trying to settle which film is better debates, lol. Tongue


Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Feb 19 2013, 3:02pm


Views: 539
Back in the day RT was pretty good

RT was pretty decent for forum discussion back in the day before IGN took it over. Back when ROTK was out there was some really good discussion there. Not anymore. It's a trollfest now. And I'm not talking about just simply disagreeing with movies etc. Complete trolls, attacking posters on one side or the other for their opinions. I had some really neat people there I used to converse with. They are all gone.

I enjoy it here now. Much better.

I wish the old days of RT were back though. I didn't care about the reviews that much but I did enjoy the discussion of movies.


peace1993
Bree


Feb 19 2013, 3:03pm


Views: 532
Is the BO performance of The Hobbit impressive?

It all depends on how you look at it. IMO:
-As a prequel to the largest trilogy of the 2000's, the performance is disappointing.
-As a film that was unfairly struck down by a large section of critics (48fps causing 70% of the negativity), the performance is pretty good.
-However, I am really impressed by AUJ's performance when I look at the content of the film. It is not exactly a "happening" film. Unlike FOTR, which moves the plot forward and is exceptional as a stand-alone film, AUJ provides a prelude of things to come with some amount of character development. Personally, I have no qualms about this and I am sure that it will pay off big time in the next two films. I expect the next two films to make huge strides forward at the BO.

Sam: Trust a Brandybuck and a Took.
Merry: What? That was just a detour, a shortcut.
Sam: Shortcut to what?
Pippin: Mushrooms!

(This post was edited by peace1993 on Feb 19 2013, 3:05pm)


Old Toby
Grey Havens


Feb 19 2013, 3:08pm


Views: 520
I wonder if there are any folk in China who are here

on the TORn boards? It would be nice to get some feedback from them.

"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)


Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Feb 19 2013, 3:08pm


Views: 502
Cinema viewers like it a lot

The Cinema score was an A. That is people who paid to see the movie. I don't read reviews much for any film I go see. I just want to enjoy it (or not). I'm not caught up in the details. I just ask myself was it enjoyable, did I have a good time, did it take me away from my cares of this world for awhile and was the story interesting. That's it. The rest of it I couldn't care less.

Interestingly, I am willing to bet some of those who have criticised it (on the critic front) as being "overly long and too much" would sit in front of their TV on a Sunday here in the States and watch an American Football game for 3 hours without budging. Too long indeed.


imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 3:09pm


Views: 514
Thanks for the post

That is how i feel and hopefully conveyed.

I think some may disagree with you on AUJ's ability to be a standalone movie in comparison to the previous movies but again i agree with you in that respect 9though i see both as just one long story really).

I also think the other two will make more money and be better received by critics as some reviews were just about 48fps so they have to talk about something else now - who knows some of them may even like HFR this time round, lol.


Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Feb 19 2013, 3:14pm


Views: 521
I think that's spot on

I think you're absolutely correct here. This story really is the developmental story for the other two films. You had to develop Thorin, the dwarves story in general, Bilbo and the Dol Guldor story etc. It's the foundation. The next two films I think will be the payoff.


Old Toby
Grey Havens


Feb 19 2013, 3:19pm


Views: 607
Yes, I agree


In Reply To

I also think the other two will make more money and be better received by critics as some reviews were just about 48fps so they have to talk about something else now - who knows some of them may even like HFR this time round, lol.


with the above. I know people who didn't like the HFR, but honestly I don't know what all the brouhaha was all about. I absolutely loved the 3D HFR version, thought it was far superior to 2D, and always saw it in that format for as long as it played here. But I thought, well, if you don't like it in 3D HFR, then by all means go see it in 2D! I was quite taken aback by the widespread bad press by the critics. Then again, I don't put much stock in critics. However I know personally many people who do, unfortunately, and judge a film solely by what other people say...even before they themselves have seen it! sigh. But yeah, I think the next two films will be better received in general.

"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)


imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 3:41pm


Views: 571
I thought HFR was pretty good overall

I hope this doesn't sound weird or too personal but do you have to wear glasses or are you ok without?

I don't wear glasses but i know my eyesight is getting worse and one day soon i will probably need to for some things. I wonder if this has had an impact on how i view HFR? Maybe my eyesight is good enough to see a difference between 24 and 48fps but not good enough for it to make a massive difference like it does for others.

For me the biggest obstacle to 48fps is the price. It was only shown in 3d IMAX near me when in 48fps and those tickets are 2.5 times the cost of a regular ticket so it would get really expensive for me to go see a film more than a couple of times. if it were the same price i think i would go see it in 48fps.


Old Toby
Grey Havens


Feb 19 2013, 4:01pm


Views: 569
Yes, I do wear glasses

But I also wear contacts, so when I went to the 3D HFR showings, I always wore my contacts. My friends who wear glasses said that they had no problem using the 3D glasses over their own glasses though, and thoroughly enjoyed the 3D HFR.

Here they didn't show the HFR in IMAX, which is weird, but the IMAX theater here only showed it in regular 3D, so I never went. The 3D HFR shows I went to all were at regular, but large screen, theaters, so although I paid a few dollars more, it wasn't as expensive as the IMAX. Which of course means I could go see it even MORE times!! LOL!

"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 4:12pm


Views: 578
IMDB

I do like IMDB for movie info and to see some trailer info as well. That I agree with you 110% on is its handy for that type of movie information.

I can imagine that was a fun debate. lol

I think we have a better chance here. lol Cool



Elessar
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 4:14pm


Views: 596
RT

I don't recall the boads much. I think I peaked in on it a few times but didn't see anything that wanted to keep me around. My issue with RT is the ciritics they have post reviews. Sometimes I swear they pick people who have no clue about the subject at all. Its kind of annoying.



(This post was edited by Elessar on Feb 19 2013, 4:14pm)


Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Feb 19 2013, 4:38pm


Views: 595
Critics

I find critics annoying period and I say that whether they are good or bad reviews. I just have never put much stock one way or the other in a critics review. They seem to focus, for good or bad, on too much that I just don't care about. Details of this that and the other thing. There are some that wax poetic about someone's awesome performance but then I go see the film and it's boring as all get out (subject matter). That one with Jennifer Anniston (i forget the name of it now) back in the day when ROTK was released was that way. I read a bunch of reviews that were talking about how great it was and I was bored.

So now I just decide if it's something I might want to see. And when I see it it's very simple. Did I enjoy it or not. It's the director's vision, whether adapated or original screenplay, and I just decide for myself if I enjoyed it, if it was interesting or fun etc. I don't care about the picayune details (I'm in to details just not an over emphasis one way or the other).

Was it emotionally engaging? Did I like the characters? Was it entertaining? Those are the things (big picture) I go for as a viewer. I couldn't care less whether Variety, The Guardian, The New York Times or some blogger in his or her mom's basement tells me about it or not.


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 5:15pm


Views: 552
Critics/Reviews

I enjoy reading reviews by anyone one way or the other as long as that person shows they understand the material. You don't have to know the genre like the back of your hand but at least know The Hobbit isn't and wasn't going to be like The Lord of the Rings. So many people expected that and I think that's on them for not knowing better. Of course you had some that also blamed the trilogy, 48 fps, or even a bias against the genre itself as reasons they were negative. If someone says they have NO problems with a movie at all that can be as much of a red flag.



macfalk
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 5:22pm


Views: 552
Critics who doesn't even try to understand the material...

Have as much value to me as the standard IMDB forum troll. Like the so called "critic" who whined about an "annoying detour to Rivendell". There is no denying that there were many armchair critics with undeserved attention who wanted The Hobbit to fail.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 5:30pm


Views: 542
I'm with ya 110%

 



AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 19 2013, 11:11pm


Views: 516
It is alot for a usual blockbuster, but average for a big blockbuster.

Normal blockbuster faire is 150 to 250 million. The BIG, fan driven, mega blockbusters run 250 Million domestic, up to about 400 million, with the rare oddity like Avengers, which frankly may be the single biggest one run domestic intake I have ever heard of, not taking inflation into account. lol

But this isn't totally surprising either. Certain superheroes do the best at the box office. In the 21st century, Batman, Spiderman and Ironman ( I much prefer Superman, The Hulk and Thor, but I clearly don't speak for everyone lol), are the masters of Boxoffice loot and booty capitalizing, followed by Enchanted Realms heavyweights like The Lord of The Rings, Harry Potter and The Hobbit (these may have been supplanted by the new Hugner Games craze), followed by the Twilight movies (with some give and take for The Potters and a one shot for the first Narnia film), followed by the less popular but still lucrative Superheroes and other stand alone type blockbusters, including Will Smith movies and Animated films with heavy promotion saturation.

Hobbit did, frankly, less well than I hoped but it also did much better than I feared, but I never expected it would challenge Avengers after the heap of money that made. In a best case scenario There and Back Again may, with last film draw, heightened drama/gravitas, a lingering trace of Rings film acclaim plus new audiences drawn by the more simple charm of The Hobbit, (remember, not everyone in the Rings audience was in the Hobbit audience, but the reverse is also the case), and also with less trash talk from critics, less 48 frame noise and fewer exaggerated expectations to mar the opening reception, make upwards of 450 to 500 million. But we shall see.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 11:32pm


Views: 498
Ah ok

I was just wondering if it were my own eyes that were kinda letting me down. Seems weird how it really is just random as to how much we loved it. I really liked it for fast moving action but when there was lots of characters as CGI i felt they were more obvious in 48fps - though some people have the exact opposite!

Maybe it's just down to the individual cinema we see the films in?

I did get to see it in real3d which is just standard 24fps 3d. I would like to see non imax hfr to see if the difference was caused by imax or the hfr.

And save about $7!


imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 11:34pm


Views: 498
I agree

I think an informed opinion is better than an uninformed opinion and critics who you know have read the books or at the very least tried to understand it, i hold to have more weight than someone who hasn't.


imin
Valinor


Feb 19 2013, 11:41pm


Views: 503
Yeah i agree

I think if you were to make the perfect movie for BO success. I would make one about transforming pirates who can walk around in avatars, in middle earth using wands and its animated.

That would make a killing Tongue


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 20 2013, 4:01am


Views: 476
Lol. Indeed. And the old Wizard vies for the hand of the Elf Lady, who is also a vampire

,with a werewolf Elf-Lord who is not under the dominion of Sauron. lol And Thror will test his hammer against the mace of Sauron, after defeating his servant Bane.

As I said, though, The Hobbit did less than I hoped, but did much better than my fears. "For my hope was founded on a fat man in Bree, and my fear was based on the cunning and malice of Sauron. . . but fat men who sell ale have many calls to answer, and the power of Sauron is still less than fear makes it." lol

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


totoro
Lorien

Feb 21 2013, 2:31am


Views: 506
AUJ did much better than I expected

I saw it as a fourth film in a finite series of 6 films. I thought that meant it would do worse than FotR. I did not feel like this was going to follow the Star Wars prequel model, which blew the BO away with the much-anticipated first prequel film; then people kinda thought it sucked and it lost a lot of fans for film 2. Harry Potter seemed like a better model, which was kind of U-shaped with the first and last being big (finite series).