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TH:AUJ shutout at BAFTAs--0-3

elf_wannabee
Lorien

Feb 10 2013, 9:53pm

Views: 2042

TH:AUJ shutout at BAFTAs--0-3

I guess the Oscars are going to be equally as bloody for TH:AUJ--dang that Life of Pi!

Ataahua
Forum Admin / Moderator

Feb 10 2013, 10:43pm

Views: 1233

*sad face*

I haven't seen Life of Pi but I understand that its visuals are outstanding - so if AUJ had to be beaten at the post, at least it was beaten by a stallion and not a show-pony.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.

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Joe20
Lorien

Feb 10 2013, 11:09pm

Views: 1213

While I loved the Hobbit,

I am sorry but there is no way that it was better than Life Of Pi in the VFX department. That movie looked incredible.

dormouse
Half-elven

Feb 10 2013, 11:16pm

Views: 1211

It's a shame...

But I'm guessing There and Back Again stands the best award chances (which might perhaps explain the earlier release date...)

macfalk
Valinor

Feb 10 2013, 11:22pm

Views: 1199

I must be the only one who felt

"meh" about LOP's visuals. Some of it was great, some of it was just Avatar.

The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.

Roheryn
Tol Eressea

Feb 11 2013, 12:09am

Views: 1106

I suspect you're right.

FOTR and TTT didn't do all that well at the Oscars; ROTK got 12, if I remember right: a clean sweep. I always felt that ROTK's success at the Oscars was to some extent recognition for the quality of the trilogy as a whole. I think TABA will stand the most chance of garnering awards for the same reason, so I don't think there's much point getting too worried about awards at this point.

Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Feb 11 2013, 12:13am

Views: 1111

I'm not too disappointed at this point

I agree that of all 3 films, TABA stands the best chance. For one thing, this really is one film split into 3 parts. Just as they were somewhat reluctant to award LOTR until the final film I think we are going to have to wait.

I also think TABA stands the best chance for acting awards. Freeman has thus far been oustanding as Bilbo and I'd like to see him at least nominated by the 3rd film. I would think we would hopefully see that.

I'm not disappointed at this point. I will be by TABA if it doesn't receive noms and acting noms in particular. I also think Costume Hair and Makeup deserve noms and awards as well.

I get that some don't like the FX. I thought they were oustanding overall. The film editing on the other hand I felt could have used a bit heavier of a hand.

imin
Valinor

Feb 11 2013, 12:13am

Views: 1154

Yeah the visuals in LoP were fantastic

Better for most than TH, though this is not to say TH had bad CGI etc just LoP's were better, i mean compare the tiger to the wargs - no comparison.

Also did anyone else notice the jibe to towards WB by Stephen Fry before Martin Freeman came out to present the award for best documentary? Saying they are going to squeeze it dry for money (Tolkien's works) then said, ' i mean lovingly craft..' Made me think of people on here, lol.

imin
Valinor

Feb 11 2013, 12:14am

Views: 1093

Yeah completely agree

TABA stands the best chance and i think it will do the best just like ROTK did and i feel it will be for the reasons you give.

Carne
Tol Eressea

Feb 11 2013, 12:15am

Views: 1121

What about Gollum?

Better than the tiger in my opinion.

Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 11 2013, 12:22am

Views: 1091

I feel there's like a 5% chance if that for an actor nomination

Considering LOTR as a whole only managed one nomination.

If anything, the move to summer for TABA indicates that the studio is less confident about any major awards. And personally, while it's nice for the people involved, i don't really care whether it wins a few technical awards or not.

imin
Valinor

Feb 11 2013, 12:24am

Views: 1119

Personally i didnt think so

But then the tiger was a REAL tiger at times so it's hard to argue gollum was better than the real thing. For me the fact i couldnt tell when it was real or fake in the movie where as i always felt gollum werent real means for me the tiger is a little better.

But this is by the tiniest, tiniest margin, i felt gollum was unbelievably good and the only reason i go for the tiger is its a real world animal where as obviously gollum isn't, lol. I can see why you prefer gollum, it is close.

In a way it is more fair to compare gollum to the tiger - the amount of time put in to make them look good etc, but then i think a warg is more fair in some other ways when comparing it to a tiger as a warg is meant to be a wolf. When it came to texture of the coat and movement etc, the tiger just was a class of its own.

Weirdly for me Gollum looked better in 24fps than 48fps - the 48fps made gollum pop out more as 48fps seemed to do to the 3D (make it more 3D) but this also showed up any imperfections, little though they were.

Maybe my mind would be different if i saw LoP in 48fps, i dunno.

For me overall the CGI looked better in LoP but i can see why some think of Avatar - Whale scene comes to mind - for me that was magical in a way that TH just failed to capture overall.

Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Feb 11 2013, 12:29am

Views: 1083

I wouldn't mind them moving TABA

To December honestly. I know they won't but I wouldn't mind it. These films own December and honestly I think it might do better (even though we have another year to wait after DoS). I'm sure the studio has a reason for wanting it released 6 months post DoS. It wouldn't bother me though if it was put back to December and the editing given top notch attention so that they have the best possible product on the screen.

jtarkey
Rohan

Feb 11 2013, 1:01am

Views: 1065

If there was some sort of participation award...

AUJ should certainly get one. I really liked that the set visit's reported that what you see in the Vlog's is genuine. A lot of people working very hard and having a great time as well.

Otherwise, I don't really expect AUJ to win much of anything. I don't think it really deserves to win anything either.

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"

Elessar
Valinor

Feb 11 2013, 1:07am

Views: 1056

Ugh

I'm hopeful it will at least win 1 Oscar. It's worthy of one I feel but winning one or not doesn't take away for me how awesome the film was.

sycorax82
Rohan

Feb 11 2013, 1:40am

Views: 1048

As impressive as he is, Gollum is old news

They already won the Visual Effects Oscar for TTT and, seeing as Gollum is the most impressive effect in AUJ, I doubt the Academy will give it to them this time, just as BAFTA haven't.

They have a much better chance at nabbing it for either DoS or TABA. It all depends on how good Smaug ends up being.

glor
Rohan

Feb 11 2013, 1:42am

Views: 1062

BAFTAS

Presented by Stephen Fry, different awards presented by Martin Freeman, Billy Connolly and Sir Ian Mckellen ....

....I was waiting for the moment when the BAFTAS were unexpectedly gatecrashed by 13 Dwarves Cool

JWPlatt
Grey Havens

Feb 11 2013, 3:23am

Views: 1033

Academy Awards

The Fellowship of the Ring was a better movie than An Unexpected Journey. The weak start this time may end up hurting the remaining entries where before the first film help give the other two momentum. If The Desolation of Smaug contains the same sort of juvenile overindulgences and CGI that looked worse at times than what was done ten years ago by Jackson, I would predict no Oscars at all except technicals. They may be fine films and entirely enjoyable for a good ride and fun outing, but not worthy at the level established by An Unexpected Journey. It would be just another fantasy series - not THE fantasy series of a generation.

(This post was edited by JWPlatt on Feb 11 2013, 3:30am)

SirDennisC
Half-elven

Feb 11 2013, 3:39am

Views: 999

A song came to mind just now --

Where once was light
Now darkness falls
Where once was love,
Love is no more
Don't say goodbye
Don't say I didn't try

These tears we cry
are falling rain
For all the lies you told us
The hurt, the blame
And we will weep to be so alone
We are lost
We can never go home

So in the end,
I'll be what I will be
No loyal friend
was ever there for me
Now we say good-bye
We say you didn't try

These tears you cry
Have come too late
Take back the lies
The hurt the blame
And you will weep
when you face the end alone

You are lost
You can never go home
You are lost
You can never go home

Arandiel
Grey Havens

Feb 11 2013, 5:10am

Views: 948

Oh, but it's over 45 seconds long... :) //

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Oleander Took
Rivendell

Feb 11 2013, 5:19am

Views: 1007

I think Martin thinks the same

as you all can see in this interview from the Bafta's red carpet http://www.itv.com/...it-is-not-nominated/

He also said something interesting about the new filming they will do starting at the end of May and movie 2 and movie 3 filmings

"There is nothing like looking, if you want to find something."

Arannir
Valinor

Feb 11 2013, 7:22am

Views: 976

Bloody is the wrong word...

... surely. Expected, would be the right one, I guess.

And honestly - I totally understand why many people may think "more of the same" and NOT vote for the AUJ teams.

Especially WETA certainly does not "need" another Oscar ;)

Not that I would mind AUJ becoming an Oscar-winning movie... but I just think that many of those awards - especially the Oscars - are all about momentum. And the fact that AUJ even loses in Make-up to the - in my view - horrible make-up in Les Mis, is one more sign that the Hobbit did not build up any momentum what so ever.

And this, again, is not really bad - AUJ was more of the same in many ways.

I am sure if DoS and TABA are critically received a little bit better and have more new stuff than they will have some more noms (editing, music, cine, etc).

But other than art and technical categories, this movie series always had "LotR 2" written all over it for many the day it was announced. And especially art-wise it had to be, of course. But that is not the stuff Oscar-sweaps are made of. And it does not has to be. Remind yourself, what a great exception RotK was!

Vangalad
Lorien

Feb 11 2013, 9:38am

Views: 917

The Hobbit wins it's first Oscar!

Hobbit crew received early Oscar awards for science last night.

Quote

WETA won tonight's Scientific and Engineering Academy Award to Simon Clutterbuck, James Jacobs and Dr. Richard Dorling for the skin & muscle system that makes Gollum look like… Gollum.

That's got to count for something, anyway.

Article on the mainpage:
http://www.theonering.net/...ion/?fb_source=pubv1

All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost,
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

(This post was edited by Vangalad on Feb 11 2013, 9:39am)

Rufus
Bree

Feb 11 2013, 10:28am

Views: 863

I agree

At no point did I think I was looking at anything that was not CGI and surely it is easier to do CGI with a Tiger we all know what a tiger looks like.

andwise
Rivendell

Feb 11 2013, 11:11am

Views: 893

no BAFTAs

I didn't really expect any to be honest.I think the film boards both here and in the US will pretty much ignore it save for one or two nods.I would imagine this is down to the fact that,as others have said,the 'vision' is not new anymore,they probably feel they've seen it all before which to a certain extent they have.also 'life of pi' is the flavour of the month kind of film just as the rings films were when they came out,rightly so as it is a top film.so we shouldn't read too much in to lack of awards for as we all know there have been many great movies made that never won anything.a film doesn't have to win awards to be loved or enjoyed.

Arrow....black arrow,I have saved you to the last.you have never failed me and always I have recovered you.I had you from my father and he from old.if ever you came from the forges of the true king under the mountain,go now and speed well

Old Toby
Grey Havens

Feb 11 2013, 3:45pm

Views: 533

sigh

I hope TH will win at least one award for Make Up. I thought turning those actors into dwarves was fantastic. And they lost this category to Les Mis? Really? sigh.

"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)

IdrilofGondolin
Rohan

Feb 11 2013, 8:18pm

Views: 480

Agree Completely

In fact, how can any film board have movies so totally different in the same category? There is no comparison between the make-up in Les Miz and TH. The make-up in TH is exponentially more difficult. But my take has always been that the Academy was angry that it had to acknowledge the greatness of LOTR and is punishing PJ with its disdain for TH.

Clifton8
The Shire

Feb 11 2013, 8:18pm

Views: 458

Agreed

Absolutely no reason to be upset at this point!!!

TABA will be epic and again a clean sweep with the awards.

dubulous
Rohan

Feb 11 2013, 8:43pm

Views: 474

I've seen Life of Pi

and in my opinion it had nothing AUJ on any level - not as a movie and not with visuals. But it is the movie with better buzz so it will probably keep winning AUJ.

Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Feb 12 2013, 12:10am

Views: 414

Agree

In Reply To

This is my feeling as well. It may get one or two (I am hoping for one or two acting nods by the end) but barring that Im not too confident it will snag any more exactly for the reasons you've stated.

burrahobbit
Rohan

Feb 12 2013, 12:24am

Views: 424

Better chance with DoS and TaBA

I wouldn't be surprised if AUJ misses out on the Oscars also. Technical awards tend to go to films also nominated for the major best film/director/actor awards.

Since DoS brings many more new characters and locations, including hopefully an amazing Smaug, it seems a more likely candidate for Visual Effects awards. The 'more of the same' feeling associated with AUJ should be less applicable to the coming films.

Silmaril
Rohan

Feb 12 2013, 9:57am

Views: 507

Stephen Fry mocks The Hobbit at BAFTAs

http://tvnz.co.nz/...99/video?vid=5338714

SirDennisC
Half-elven

Feb 12 2013, 2:18pm

Views: 423

A risky gambit

though that was at a British awards ceremony, after all.

imin
Valinor

Feb 12 2013, 2:27pm

Views: 411

Haha so true!

He also said another joke to this effect before MF came out to present the award for Best Documentary - really seems to be having a go at his former employees expense! Tongue

Nightwing
Bree

Feb 13 2013, 4:07am

Views: 349

Glad to hear

It's simply not a very good film.

Philippa Boyens and Fran Walsh can't write, and Galadriel is not the most powerful being in all of Middle-earth. She is inferior to Sauron, Saruman, and Gandalf.

Arannir
Valinor

Feb 13 2013, 7:11am

Views: 337

Sorry, I enjoy criticism. But this just sounds bitter.

In Reply To

It's simply not a very good film.

Especially connected to this signature and the endless rage over ONE quote by Boyens... in which she tried to say something quite different then putting up an all-time power list of ME Crazy

(This post was edited by Arannir on Feb 13 2013, 7:13am)

Eleniel
Tol Eressea

Feb 13 2013, 11:42am

Views: 309

Maybe so...

But that is down to scriptwriting and characterization choices. All those at Weta, Weta Digital and on the art/costume/make-up production teams, etc, have done an incredible job as usual bringing M-e to life and fully deserve their nominations - and hopefully, wins.

"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort

JWPlatt
Grey Havens

Feb 13 2013, 12:11pm

Views: 504

Galadriel As Written

In Reply To

It's simply not a very good film.

Sorry, I enjoy criticism. But this just sounds bitter. Especially connected to this signature and the endless rage over ONE quote by Boyens... in which she tried to say something quite different then putting up an all-time power list of ME Crazy

There has been recent discussion that Gandalf has been written as subservient to Galadriel despite Gandalf being more god to Galadriel as written by Tolkien. Regarding Galadriel and Tauriel, Boyens is also on record as wanting to bring a feminine power [in a story full of males]. I would posit for sake of argument that, while demographics are important to big budget films, there is a somewhat sexist agenda in Boyens' writing and she is also on record as using Writing 101 dogma. To wit, the "dramatic reversal" in "Go home Sam" which was certainly not a popular change to the story. So the attitude toward her is not completely held in a vacuum.

(This post was edited by JWPlatt on Feb 13 2013, 12:17pm)