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Time for a Tauriel thread! (minor spoilers?)



Lio
Lorien


Feb 6 2013, 1:36am


Views: 4889
Time for a Tauriel thread! (minor spoilers?)

Hi all, I've been trying to find some information about this character but it's a bit hard separating the fact from the speculation. Here's what little I've been able to gather:


Does anyone want to confirm/deny these points, or add to them? Smile

Anyway, I've been wondering about her role. Is there some kind of competition between her and Legolas? Is Kili supposed to develop a crush on her? Will she be at the Battle of Five Armies? What does everyone think?

I must admit that at first I had some misgivings about Tauriel's inclusion, but I think I'll wait and see what they do with her character. They have two more movies to fill after all, so I guess it's expected that there would be such additions. I just hope she doesn't steal the show too much. Between thirteen Dwarves and several major characters who have yet to appear (Beorn, Bolg, Dain), there's a lot of character development yet to be had! Shocked

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Kimtc
Rohan


Feb 6 2013, 1:53am


Views: 3556
I have a theory....

I am convinced she is going to "pull a Haldir" and die, probably at TBof5A. I have absolutely no scientific evidence to back this up, just a hunch. My reasons:

1) It would be circular to have a pretty elf die.

2) She is a made up character, and it would tie up the loose end of her non-presence later on in the stories (like she never existed!).

3) She could somehow be involved in the Kili endgame, perhaps as a meta-version of the existing narrative (Kili protecting Thorin, so she is protecting Kili--Fili has to get his own elf).

4) It would balance to have a female character die, since we are going to have plenty of male characters drop like flies.

Again, no evidence, just my own reckless posting. Thoughts?


glor
Rohan

Feb 6 2013, 2:11am


Views: 3409
Old fashioned, love at a distance romance..

.. for a legendary Elf, whom Tauriel has admired from afar..

which is why Glorfindel turns up at BOFA

..aww, go on PJ, please....


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Feb 6 2013, 2:16am


Views: 3427
Tauriel/Kili

I still think that this was probably just a joke that has gotten out-of-hand. I doubt that there really will be a romantic relationship between the two.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Kimtc
Rohan


Feb 6 2013, 2:25am


Views: 3361
Maybe they're more like battle buddies

Since she's a warrior elf, there might not be too much focus on her gender, more on her archery ability. Which he would admire.


glor
Rohan

Feb 6 2013, 3:07am


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maybe they compete....

By counting kills?

Wink


Kimtc
Rohan


Feb 6 2013, 3:46am


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Thus giving Legolas the idea for LOTR!

Brilliant!


Ruxendil_Thoorg
Tol Eressea


Feb 6 2013, 4:35am


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my pet theory over a year+

Can be found here . Hey that rhymed!

A bag is like a hole that you can carry with you.

http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;


Sślimė
Rivendell


Feb 6 2013, 5:20am


Views: 3249
I really hope this is the case!

I don't want to see a lot of Tauriel/Kili moments. But, well, maybe it can be done well. I don't want them to even be overly friendly. Awkward, grudging attraction on Kili's part and amusement on Tauriel's part will be okay for me though -- as long as it's nothing near serious!


Angharad73
Rohan

Feb 6 2013, 6:18am


Views: 3127
I like that one!

Now, that would make sense to me!

I'm not too fond of the Tauriel character, but that kind of thing woul be ok with me.


Old Toby
Grey Havens


Feb 6 2013, 6:25am


Views: 3780
And now for something completely different....

How's this:

Tauriel has been taking archery lessons from Legolas every since she was a child and is his star pupil. Legolas is smitten with her, and she with him, but they daren't reveal their true feelings to others since he is of royal blood and she is but a common elf. Thranduil finds out about his son's longings and sends him away to scout the Wilds with Aragorn, hoping he will find a nice elf lass in Rivendell and forget about Tauriel. Since she is such a superior archer, while Legolas is absent, Thranduil makes her the Captain of the Guards, hoping she might be killed in battle one day.

When the dwarves enter Thranduil's territory, he takes them captive just out of principle; however, recognizing Thorin as the grandson of Thror, the one whom he betrayed by turning his back and his elk's backside on them when they were fleeing Erebor, he feels guilty. He reluctantly accepts the dwarves as unwanted guests, and lets them linger a while in his forest. Kili is awed by Tauriel's archery skills, and takes a few lessons from her. He finds himself admiring her in spite of the fact that she is one of 'the enemy', as his Uncle Thorin says, that she is more than a foot taller than he, and that she is a vegan.

When Uncle Thorin hears about Kili's attraction to Tauriel, he flies into a rage and goes to Thranduil to put a stop to their archery lessons. Thorin and Thranduil discover they have something in common after all: they both want to be rid of Tauriel.

Thranduil decides to send her into exile somewhere far, far away, which is just fine with Thorin, as long as it isn't anywhere near Erebor. Thranduil summons her and pronounces his judgment. She falls to her knees, weeping and begging to stay with the rest of the Woodland elves...her kin. Just at that moment Legolas returns, sees what is transpiring, and exchanges angry words with his father. It escalates into physical blows (Thorin is greatly amused by all this), but when Legolas has his father in a fierce headlock, Thranduil spits out the real reason why he doesn't want a romance between Legolas and Tauriel. Tauriel is Thranduil's illegitmate child....by a dwarf mother! Everyone is so stunned that they decide to let bygones be bygones: Thorin and Company leave the Woodland realm quickly and in peace, Legolas is reinstated as the Captain of the Guards, and Tauriel decides to leave and seek her fortune in the North by making and selling hand-crafted bows and arrows. Preferably with lots of gold inlay. And gems, if she can find them.

Um....so there you have it. What say you? Tongue

"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)

(This post was edited by Old Toby on Feb 6 2013, 6:26am)


GloryBox
Bree


Feb 6 2013, 7:00am


Views: 3140
Priceless!

I'd pay just to see the two blondies grappling for a headlock...never mind the denouement. And you've built in a bonus -- seeing Thorin smile again!

...one morning long ago in the quiet of the world, when there was less noise and more green... The Hobbit


Angharad73
Rohan

Feb 6 2013, 7:00am


Views: 3137
This is a classic...

soap opera storyline! Love it! Laugh


namarie
Rohan


Feb 6 2013, 7:25am


Views: 3114
I say

it's a very good story. I want to see it Tongue


“The world is not in your books and maps. It's out there!”


Arannir
Valinor

Feb 6 2013, 8:25am


Views: 3098
I agree...

... however, I would not mind the two of them being quite pro-Elf/pro-Dwarf.

They are both (relatively speaking) young - I guess - and could both have issues understanding the mutual hate all the others have twoards members of the other species. This could also itensify the Kili/Thorin relationship, give it some drama - and make the sad stories of TABA even more heart-breaking.


marillaraina
Rohan

Feb 6 2013, 8:38am


Views: 3113
Yeah


In Reply To
... however, I would not mind the two of them being quite pro-Elf/pro-Dwarf.

They are both (relatively speaking) young - I guess - and could both have issues understanding the mutual hate all the others have twoards members of the other species. This could also itensify the Kili/Thorin relationship, give it some drama - and make the sad stories of TABA even more heart-breaking.


Yeah that was along the lines I was thinking it would be. I don't necessarily think it's going to be a romance, I mean maybe he might think she's pretty but I tend to think /hope if there is some sort of meaningful interaction between them, it'll be more like he'll admire her skill, maybe she'll be somewhat kind, she might be surprised dwarves are able to do more than clumsily bash things in and he may well be the most open to interacting with her.

As I understand it she's supposed to be something of a favorite of Thranduil, or she's close to or admires him and of course Thorin and Kili are close and Kili clearly admires his uncle - so it would be sort of like seeing that their "heroes" have blind spots and if they could be wrong about how terrible elves/dwarves are, what else might they be wrong about?


stoutfiles
Rohan


Feb 6 2013, 1:17pm


Views: 3065
PJ has already confirmed that she and Legolas have no romantic connection

It was a good story, though.


stoutfiles
Rohan


Feb 6 2013, 1:23pm


Views: 3063
Well, Tauriel is in the Lego set with the spiders, so...

She and Legolas appear on the scene to save the dwarves from the spiders! She turns to Legolas: " I know. It's all wrong. By rights we shouldn't even be here." A spider then jumps out from the shadows and quickly mutilates her. Legolas runs away and is never seen in The Hobbit again. The dwarves then escape as per the events of the book.


Eowyn3
Rivendell

Feb 6 2013, 1:46pm


Views: 2993
I could go with that,

specially the part where the spiders get rid of Tauriel. I do not think we need this made up character. I don't mind Legolas being there, since he lives in his father's realm. It should be interesting seeing him in his natural element. Legolas being there is an addition but not a change. However, I don't think he should be the one saving the Dwarves from the spiders. That is Bilbo's job in the book.


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea

Feb 6 2013, 3:45pm


Views: 2985
Too many archers?

I have one more concern, well I“m very negative lately. I saw the photo where Legolas and Bard appear, and then you have Tauriel and Kili and they are archers too, I dont know but, if they do too much awesome killing with arrows, maybe when Bard“s moment arrives another arrow moment would be too much?

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Rostron2
Gondor


Feb 6 2013, 4:59pm


Views: 2985
What we know

1. We know she's involved in some scenes with the spiders
2. She'll be at Thranduil's palace and in some way is involved with the discovery of the escape
3. She'll show up at the Battle of Five Armies

The Kili/Tauriel encounter, if there is one, could have been exaggerated from one line exchange by Kili to his brother, like "Cor, she's tall, isn't she?" "When has that ever stopped you brother?" all in a joking fashion, of course. Or it simply could have been that Kili was about to get killed by a spider, and her arrow takes it out. 'Thanks!' There's a quick look, and maybe a smile...that's it.

Anything else is wishful thinking


Tintallė
Gondor


Feb 6 2013, 6:56pm


Views: 2891
Bwahahaha!

You may have a future as a screenwriter!


FaramirAndEowynMorningStar
Rohan


Feb 6 2013, 8:37pm


Views: 2825
*claps*

Wonderful story! I can just imagine it... *sighs* Blush

......"Since the first time I met you,
..I couldn't seem to forget you.
.......And lately I seem to find,
..That you're always on my mind.
.......Whenever I see you smile,
..It makes my life so very worthwhile.
......And ever since the very start,
..You have always been there in my heart.
..Then I heard that you felt the same way,
......................................................And those words were so easy to say."


(This post was edited by FaramirAndEowynMorningStar on Feb 6 2013, 8:38pm)


Roheryn
Grey Havens

Feb 7 2013, 1:03am


Views: 2767
Bwahaha!

"Thorin and Thranduil discover they have something in common after all: they both want to be rid of Tauriel. "

Perfect.

But you forgot the subplot involving Fili's jealousy that Kili is spending so much more time now with Tauriel than with him. Fili and Uncle Thorin had had a falling out over Thorin's inability to tell him apart from Kili when the stone giant crashed ("You were crying out for Kili, but it was me who almost got killed! You love him more than me!!"). When Kili started taking "archery lessons" *wink, wink, nudge, nudge* from Tauriel, Fili was horribly mad at his little brother for abandoning him in favor of "the enemy". But then when Thorin and Thranduil discovered they had something in common after all, Fili jumped right on that bandwagon too, and was reconciled with his uncle, who decided Fili was, after all, his favorite nephew.


Lio
Lorien


Feb 7 2013, 3:02am


Views: 2741
Thanks for this!

Based on this and other posts in this thread, it seems that the whole Kili thing (at least in terms of it being a romance) is just speculation then? I can still see them developing a connection based on them both being archers, but in a chummy kind of way. (Tauriel's just one of the guys! Tongue)

I wonder where Legolas comes in though? If Tauriel is supposed to be some kind of bigshot, I can imagine them trying to outcompete each other's crazy stunts. Imagine the Legolas action scenes in LotR and double them... yikes! Crazy

The biggest mystery for me has got to be her role at the Battle of the Five Armies. I wonder if she'll have a story arc there too, or just kind of show up, kick butt, then leave?

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Lio
Lorien


Feb 7 2013, 3:10am


Views: 619
Hmm...

You have some good points, but somehow I find it hard to imagine her dying. Between the other emotional deaths that will take place, and her being the only major female character other than Galadriel, it seems a bit too much to kill her off. But it's just a hunch on my part too, I could be wrong!

:: looks at other posts in this thread ::

Gosh, a lot of people sure want to see her die! Crazy

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Kimtc
Rohan


Feb 7 2013, 3:33am


Views: 513
Wow, you're right! Never thought of this.

In the book, Bard really stands out as the go-to guy with a bow. Now, not so much. He'll have to kill Smaug while blindfolded and pulling the now with his teeth to make it worthwhile.


In Reply To
I have one more concern, well I“m very negative lately. I saw the photo where Legolas and Bard appear, and then you have Tauriel and Kili and they are archers too, I dont know but, if they do too much awesome killing with arrows, maybe when Bard“s moment arrives another arrow moment would be too much?



Kimtc
Rohan


Feb 7 2013, 3:48am


Views: 590
Well, based on this thread, not many may find her demise emotional.

Heck, we've only seen brief footage of her in a production vlog and in Lego form, and here we are deciding how best for PJ to off her. He came close before (Arwen slowly dying on her settee, Eowyn getting Witchking blowback), but he couldn't follow through due to obvious plot constraints. Here he is free to strike a blow for gender equality and let her die, rather than linger with her unrequited whatever for whomever.


In Reply To
You have some good points, but somehow I find it hard to imagine her dying. Between the other emotional deaths that will take place, and her being the only major female character other than Galadriel, it seems a bit too much to kill her off. But it's just a hunch on my part too, I could be wrong!

:: looks at other posts in this thread ::

Gosh, a lot of people sure want to see her die! Crazy



Eowyn3
Rivendell

Feb 7 2013, 3:59am


Views: 552
It would not be hard to accept

If she dies, since she doesn't really exist to begin with. I love the movie adaptation, but I'm not too fond of made up characters!


Old Toby
Grey Havens


Feb 7 2013, 5:08am


Views: 458
LOL! Love this sub-plot!

OH, the places we could all go with this!! WinkShockedLaugh

"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)


BoromirOfWinterfell
Rohan


Feb 7 2013, 1:43pm


Views: 516
I would squeal

If Glorfy showed up. I would forgive PJ for killing off Haldir.

Žęs ofereode, žisses swa męg - that has passed, so may this.


Imladris18
Lorien

Feb 7 2013, 2:34pm


Views: 496
I feel the same way, Lio

I, for one, really hope theat she DOESN'T die. I really hate the thematic "killing people off because they've done their part," and I really like Evangeline Lily, lol. I know some people have said they will kill her off to "tie up loose ends" about her not being present later, but you don't hear anything about most of the dwarves that survive later on either... They can simply just send her off to Valinor or something.


Anubis
Rivendell


Feb 7 2013, 6:58pm


Views: 489
I believe this character will meet his demise somewhere around the trilogy. :/

Just got this PJ-esque feeling of "not enough deaths! Oh wait, there is a solution to that..."


arithmancer
Grey Havens

Feb 7 2013, 7:40pm


Views: 416
That would be, *her* demise...//

 


Rostron2
Gondor


Feb 7 2013, 10:22pm


Views: 426
Screen Time

It's all about how much screen time they can give their characters. Weight it according to minutes and you'll get close an answer to how well or poorly developed any story is with her.

Bilbo-Thorin-Gandalf-Thranduil-Bard-Balin-3 or 4 dwarves with significant time.

Someone else did a nice breakdown of minutes and lines that each character had for AUJ.

This film jumbles all that around, since the focus is mostly going to be Bilbo and Thorin and the three elven characters for a good chunk of time, then switch to Bard/Master and Smaug.


Anubis
Rivendell


Feb 9 2013, 11:46am


Views: 344
Woops,thank you.

I really did miss that! Laugh Luckily, this forum is always on the look-out for grammatical errors, unlike others...


arithmancer
Grey Havens

Feb 9 2013, 1:22pm


Views: 384
Grammar vs. substance

I was not sure if you were confused and thought Tauriel was going to be a male character! I'm not usually a grammar nitpicker, though I do try to write grammatically. Smile


aarondirebear
Bree

Feb 12 2013, 7:51pm


Views: 342
mary sue

She is clearly Jackson's self insert Mary Sue character and should therefore not be taken seriously.
It is likely that she will play a major role and fulfill her ultimate destiny as an OC: to win the hearts of all the main characters.

"Others are inclined to say that any two stories that are built round the same folk-lore motive, or are made up of a generally similar combination of such motives, are "the same stories." Statements of that kind are not true, they are not true in art or literature. It is precisely the colouring, the atmosphere, the unclassifiable individual details of a story, and above all the general purport that informs with life the undissected bones of the plot, that really count." J.R.R. Tolkien


iduna
Rivendell


Feb 13 2013, 2:54pm


Views: 398
Oh, I love it!

From your post to PJ's (and PB's and FW's) ears!

"She's...my sister!"