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Size matters in Middle Earth.



Bombadil
Half-elven


Feb 5 2013, 1:54am


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Size matters in Middle Earth.
Twice now we have seen Gandalf
increase in size
First in the Fellowship of the Ring
He blows up
When old Bilbo doesn't want to let go of
that
RIng in his hand. .

Then in this new movie
He also blows up?
To make a point with the dwaves if I "say he's a burglar"

Is this 1 of Gandalf's amazing powers?


(This post was edited by Bombadil on Feb 5 2013, 1:56am)


Eowyn3
Rivendell

Feb 5 2013, 2:28am


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It works for him,
Doesn't it? It sure intimidates other people. All for good reasons of course!


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Feb 5 2013, 4:19am


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Didnt like it
one of the moments that felt ripe for a living of past glories accusation.
Vous commencez ŕ m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


Súlimë
Rivendell


Feb 5 2013, 4:38am


Views: 606
I liked the one in LotR
I felt it was necessary because Bilbo was under some very dark influence right then.

With the dwarves I was thinking "Come on, Gandalf, don't be mean to the dwarves!" It was just too much. A little echo-y effect would have been better, without the ominous darkness.

And I don't think Gandalf is growing and shrinking. It's just how everyone experiences it.


Nevrast
Bree

Feb 5 2013, 4:49am


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Agreed, I'm not sure why they had him reuse the same trick. //
 


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 5 2013, 6:59am


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It is such a power. A greater taste of the presence of the Ainu within.
And we see it in the novels in both the Bilbo scene, and against the wargs, though in the second case it is followed by further, explosive action.
In Reply To
Twice now we have seen Gandalf
increase in size
First in the Fellowship of the Ring
He blows up
When old Bilbo doesn't want to let go of
that
RIng in his hand. .

Then in this new movie
He also blows up?
To make a point with the dwaves if I "say he's a burglar"

Is this 1 of Gandalf's amazing powers?
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 5 2013, 7:03am


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I liked both, but I think this one could have been made to work much better.
Mainly by having made the dwarves more dismissive and critical of Bilbo in that moment. They did not seem demeaning enough, frankly. It would have been more fitting for Gandalf to react that way, if more of the dwarves had been clearly heard saying things like, "coming here was a waste of our time," "useless baggage on the road is all this Hobbit will prove to us!" etc. If they had been more contemptuous rather than merely mildly disruptive, it would have worked well.
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I felt it was necessary because Bilbo was under some very dark influence right then.

With the dwarves I was thinking "Come on, Gandalf, don't be mean to the dwarves!" It was just too much. A little echo-y effect would have been better, without the ominous darkness.

And I don't think Gandalf is growing and shrinking. It's just how everyone experiences it.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Feb 5 2013, 4:07pm


Views: 472
indeed
that was a great moment. This one felt too forced.

Like Ainour says up here, a little more contempt from the dwarves might have helped.
Vous commencez ŕ m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


Súlimë
Rivendell


Feb 5 2013, 4:38pm


Views: 461
Now that could work!
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Mainly by having made the dwarves more dismissive and critical of Bilbo in that moment. They did not seem demeaning enough, frankly. It would have been more fitting for Gandalf to react that way, if more of the dwarves had been clearly heard saying things like, "coming here was a waste of our time," "useless baggage on the road is all this Hobbit will prove to us!" etc. If they had been more contemptuous rather than merely mildly disruptive, it would have worked well.
I hope they will fix it in EE!


(This post was edited by Súlimë on Feb 5 2013, 4:39pm)


swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Feb 5 2013, 4:39pm


Views: 463
dis'd and dismissed
Not sure if the Dwarves would have been more dismissive of Bilbo. I mean, they've just descended on his house, eaten his whole pantry, made a mess ... and beneath all of this chaos is this thread of politeness on both sides (Bilbo and the Dwarves), the kind of thing you show strangers (especially well-armed ones, or ones whose houses you've invaded)... there's a fine balance there between the Dwarves chuckling at Thorin's "what's you weapon of choice" and "looks more like a grocer" and being loudly (they were already fairly loud and contentious) contentious, or saying really rude things about Bilbo (I think they have more civility than that)...

Was there a different way to handle the Gandalf moment? Not sure...
Go outside and play...


Rostron2
Gondor


Feb 5 2013, 6:21pm


Views: 444
Hmmm yes
I never saw it as a physical manifestation or change of size, but an idea that to the observer's eyes, he seems more menacing and powerful.


Loresilme
Valinor


Feb 6 2013, 7:11pm


Views: 491
Gandalf chooses his behavior according to whatever the situation calls for
Thorin had also gotten angry, stood up and bellowed just a few minutes earlier when the dwarves had gotten unruly over how many dragons Gandalf had killed.

It seems to be the customary way for the leader to assert dominance and keep order at a dwarf meeting.

Notice how different a manner Gandalf assumes at the White Council meeting.

And before he went into Rivendell, he spoke of their task requiring tact and charm, and there he was, the charming dinner guest at Elrond's table.

There are moments like that in LOTR also, where he tailors his behavior towards people (for instance, Theoden) according to what the situation calls for and what he wants to accomplish.

In Bag End, he chose that display of power at that particular moment because it was what the moment required.