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OWN IT MARCH 19!



Silmaril
Rohan


Jan 31 2013, 9:23am


Views: 1891
OWN IT MARCH 19!

http://www.thehobbit.com/

scroll down! so this should be thoe official release date of the dvd and blu ray!


smokerings
Rivendell


Jan 31 2013, 12:45pm


Views: 919
Will own...

...on Mach 19th. Thanks for the post.

(This post was edited by smokerings on Jan 31 2013, 12:46pm)


Silmaril
Rohan


Jan 31 2013, 12:59pm


Views: 879
Me too!

i hope there will be more official information about the different editions (artwork, bonus) too!


Súlimë
Rivendell


Jan 31 2013, 1:28pm


Views: 865
:)

it's funny how with the Lord of the Rings DVDs ten years ago I still had to ask for money from my parents. It's nice to have my own money now Tongue


Verbal_Daggers
The Shire


Jan 31 2013, 2:32pm


Views: 842
so soon :)

Wow that is quite soon :D Not that I am complaining, though!


TFP
Lorien


Jan 31 2013, 4:09pm


Views: 801
Special editions etc

Does anyone know if, as with LOTR fims, they're planning to release a basic edition quickly and then a further cash-in with extras added in due course?


Grant
The Shire

Jan 31 2013, 4:20pm


Views: 764
Yes.

An extended edition is pretty much confirmed. Hopefully they'll keep the pattern of having promotional material as ext rats on the theatrical and more detailed documentary extras on the EE.


julia0925
The Shire


Jan 31 2013, 5:42pm


Views: 731
A possible explanation

It's my understanding that movie companies have to wait until a movie has been released all around the world before they can release the DVD (it cuts into their profits otherwise). Since AUJ was released virtually everywhere at nearly the same time, this means that they can release the theatrical version much sooner. While I will be getting the EE when it's available, I'm simply not going to wait that long to see this again, so I'll be getting this release as well as any others they care to put out. I"m such a sucker...

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bborchar
Rohan


Jan 31 2013, 5:48pm


Views: 686
Yup...

I might as well wear a shirt that says "TAKE MY MONEY NOW!!" I would normally wait for the EE, but I really want to see this again before then...so yes, we will be buying it twice ^^


TFP
Lorien


Jan 31 2013, 5:50pm


Views: 719
EE


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It's my understanding that movie companies have to wait until a movie has been released all around the world before they can release the DVD (it cuts into their profits otherwise). Since AUJ was released virtually everywhere at nearly the same time, this means that they can release the theatrical version much sooner. While I will be getting the EE when it's available, I'm simply not going to wait that long to see this again, so I'll be getting this release as well as any others they care to put out. I"m such a sucker...


sorry, very old arguments, but i won't ever buy an EE, just on principle.

i'll be first in the queue [or thereabouts] to see the film, & always buy the DVD very shortly after release, but the EE is just an unacceptable rip-off to me.


Brandybuckled
Lorien


Jan 31 2013, 6:26pm


Views: 663
Well thank God...

At least Warner isn't stuck in the same idiotic mindset as HBO (or Disney's vault). :)

The Hobbit nearly beat GoT's season 2 discs.

NAArP: Not An Ardent purist since Arda was dented



Verbal_Daggers
The Shire


Jan 31 2013, 6:50pm


Views: 640
Sounds reasonable ;)

I will also be getting both versions - the theatrical release as well as the EE - for the exact same reason .. I just don't want to wait for the EE. Although I have already considered just to rent the theatrical version once it's released for a weekend but I guess that's not that much cheaper anyway and I just know that I want it as soon as it's available! :) And for that release I am also getting a blu ray player (it's about time =))


Owain
Tol Eressea


Jan 31 2013, 7:08pm


Views: 642
It could also be considered a matter of perspective.

Indeed, I readily acknowledge that there have been several instances of studios re-packaging a movie and barely changing anything about the release to make money off of a title. And then notoriously they release another version following that, which inevitably includes more features that - some people feel - should have already been included.

At one time, this could have been considered taking advantage of fans. To me, that would have been before the internet existed.

What you consider to be an unacceptable rip off (extended editions) has provided a lot of joy for other people. In addition, there are basic economic principals that are followed... good economics that good businesses follow, that have nothing to do with just the often used cliche of a cash grab.

Studios are offering fans options or tiers if you will. Some people don't care about special features, extended scenes... in essence they just want the movie they saw in theaters.

But there are also plenty of people who enjoy the extended editions, director's cuts, and all of the additional materials as well. They like the "deep dive" if you will. To include those, they ask a different price point for a different experience. That's not unreasonable. You pay more for more. There are plenty of other industries that use that model and people understand it there. Why not the movie industry?

The argument that is old and tiring to me (mostly because it is uninformed yet still authoritatively stated) is that studios should just put both editions on the same disc and avoid the greedy cash grab. Well sometimes they do. And sometimes they don't.

1. This train of thought assumes everybody wants the same content AND is willing to pay for it.

2. It also assumes that you can fit all of that content onto 1 or a minimal amount of discs. (The more discs, the bigger the packaging, the more expensive to distribute). Since PJs Middle Earth movies are on average almost 3 hours per movie (for the theatrical editions) and they are giving you a transfer as close to the DCP you saw in theatre as possible, then adding in all the extra features that are now standard, there isn't a whole lot of room left over after that... even for BluRays. Again, they can add more discs (thus bigger and different packaging) but that costs more to produce which ultimately trickles down to the consumer.

So if they have a market for both, why not create appropriate amounts for both and sell them to both? If people want it and buy it, then that is just following supply and demand.

But even after thinking through all of that...

No one makes people buy all of these editions. Fans have plenty of resources to find out about BluRay/DVD releases, what features they will offer and how much they will cost, well in advance of their release dates via the internet... I mean that's what we are doing right now.

No one is holding a proverbial "gun to your head" (if you will pardon the colloquialism) to make you purchase all of those options and deplete your bank account... and you do have a choice.

I'm not sure what is unacceptable about that.

My 2 Cents.

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Ataahua
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jan 31 2013, 7:31pm


Views: 632
Already posted further down the board

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arithmancer
Grey Havens

Jan 31 2013, 7:52pm


Views: 614
Be buying both...

I agree. I will be buying the cheapest, most basic DVD I can find in March, and consider that a fair price to have something I can watch while waiting for the EE. and something I don't mind letting the kids (not the world's most careful people...!) use in the DVD player in the back of the car.

And I will buy the EE in BluRay to watch at home and enjoy for years to come.


bborchar
Rohan


Jan 31 2013, 8:09pm


Views: 607
GoT is a little different, though...

They aren't getting advertising money or the big bucks from a movie release...HBO is using it as a vehicle to sell subscriptions to their network (and it's a good one, too...we buy it only for that show). After it's released, you can watch any episode whenever you want to using their mobile service, HBOgo (every episode of every show they've ever done is available). If they sold the dvds too soon, no one would buy HBO.


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Jan 31 2013, 8:36pm


Views: 601
but the theatrical editions are pointless

I have never watched the Theatrical editions of the LOTR trilogy after getting the extended editions. The theatrical editions don't exist as far as I am concerned.

And frankly when it comes to money the EEs are a much better deal with a snappier, classier presentation, MORE awesome scenes and moments and score AND amazing commentaries and hours of insightful behind the scenes footage.

It's because of the extended editions that I'm in the film industry today.

So I guffaw on your shoddy principles. Crazy

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Brandybuckled
Lorien


Jan 31 2013, 8:43pm


Views: 568
Yeah, but...

They should at least be available for Christmas shopping and holiday viewing.

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painjoiker
Grey Havens


Jan 31 2013, 8:46pm


Views: 594
How on earth is that even possible?!

I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but that must be very close to the line!

Vocalist in the progressive metal band Renamed.


bborchar
Rohan


Jan 31 2013, 8:50pm


Views: 561
It seems to me...

...that HBO releases the DVD set of the previous season at the same time they are gearing up their advertising campaign for the next season (indeed; they just started putting out teasers for Season 3 in the past couple of weeks). They aren't worried about the sale of the dvds as much as they are getting people excited about seeing the next season (and therefore subscribing).


Brandybuckled
Lorien


Jan 31 2013, 8:50pm


Views: 574
You're missing out...


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sorry, very old arguments, but i won't ever buy an EE, just on principle.

i'll be first in the queue [or thereabouts] to see the film, & always buy the DVD very shortly after release, but the EE is just an unacceptable rip-off to me.



I mean, the extended version of Kingdom of Heaven is the only one worth watching/owning.

NAArP: Not An Ardent purist since Arda was dented



Kimtc
Rohan


Jan 31 2013, 8:58pm


Views: 553
Me, too!

I can't stand the mere six week wait! Worse, we have a 3D TV, so I will probably spring for the 3D Blu-ray, and then have to do it again to get the extra, what, 25 minutes of EE material. Sad, sad, sad.


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I might as well wear a shirt that says "TAKE MY MONEY NOW!!" I would normally wait for the EE, but I really want to see this again before then...so yes, we will be buying it twice ^^



hutch
Rohan


Jan 31 2013, 9:00pm


Views: 559
Fightin Piracy

When LOTR came out, where I lived down South (in the US) the films were in theaters for 6 months. And they were packed the entire time.

But in 10 years so much has changed. Films barely get 4 weeks to be in theaters and make money. And forget about sleeper hits.

I wish it would stay in theaters longer because I won't have a chance to see HFR until Spring.

Alas...

Davy Jones could've been Bilbo...I mean he was a Brit with a sense for adventure, singing & dancing. And think of the costs it would've save with forced perspective: he was ACTUALLY 5'3. He also hung out with a grumpy tall dude in a hat (Mike Nesmith.) While we're at it let's just have Micky Dolenz and Peter Tork as Merry & Pippin.


hutch
Rohan


Jan 31 2013, 9:03pm


Views: 566
No they're not

I still prefer the the tightness of FOTR's theatrical opening than the EE. And prefer to hear Gandalf telling Frodo about the outside world-which is not in the EEs.

Davy Jones could've been Bilbo...I mean he was a Brit with a sense for adventure, singing & dancing. And think of the costs it would've save with forced perspective: he was ACTUALLY 5'3. He also hung out with a grumpy tall dude in a hat (Mike Nesmith.) While we're at it let's just have Micky Dolenz and Peter Tork as Merry & Pippin.


nenyacaster
Bree


Jan 31 2013, 9:49pm


Views: 564
the features are important

If the theatrical edition has it's own directors commentary track (like there was one for LOTR) then that is worth listening to/watching. The commentary for the LOTR EE' dvds primarily just talked about what they added, and wasn't as interesting as what they had for the theatrical versions.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 1 2013, 12:00am


Views: 391
There was?

A directors commentary track on the theatrical cut? News to me...


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Feb 1 2013, 12:00am)


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 1 2013, 12:48am


Views: 351
Agreed. That said, I wonder if they will still be showing it in some theatres, post DVD/Blu-ray release

A lot of films that made less money ran for a full four months, as opposed to a full 3 and a half, even with larger movies coming to displace them near the end. I am hoping they won't pull it from all theatres just before/because of the DVD release.

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It's my understanding that movie companies have to wait until a movie has been released all around the world before they can release the DVD (it cuts into their profits otherwise). Since AUJ was released virtually everywhere at nearly the same time, this means that they can release the theatrical version much sooner. While I will be getting the EE when it's available, I'm simply not going to wait that long to see this again, so I'll be getting this release as well as any others they care to put out. I"m such a sucker...


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


TheCoon
Lorien

Feb 1 2013, 12:52am


Views: 356
i wonder when the EE is then

lotr was always theatrical august EE november (cept rotk which hahd the ee in december for some reason)

surly they wont make us wait from march all the way to november?

i guess theyre prepping for DOS sicne that EE cant be in nvoember naywazy with TABA coming in july (srsly when is fox going to move x men)


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 1 2013, 1:11am


Views: 354
Agreed. I always buy the theatrical. Wait another 3 to 7 months for EE? Ain't Nobody got Time for That!

There is also the fact that EE ROTK included a horrible blasphemy of which I do not often speak, and for which I refuse to watch it again (at least the second disc of it!), despite enjoying the bulk of the movie. What I need to see is on the Theatrical.

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I agree. I will be buying the cheapest, most basic DVD I can find in March, and consider that a fair price to have something I can watch while waiting for the EE. and something I don't mind letting the kids (not the world's most careful people...!) use in the DVD player in the back of the car.

And I will buy the EE in BluRay to watch at home and enjoy for years to come.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


TheCoon
Lorien

Feb 1 2013, 1:11am


Views: 346
i wont

cause ill be wating for the EE (haha got u all)


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Feb 1 2013, 2:14am


Views: 331
what?

Of course they talk about what they added to the EEs, but that's less than 10% of the conversation. They talked about days filming, character motivations, themes and larger issues, witty anecdotes, art design, production techniques, the highs and lows of adapting a novel, new zealand, score, post-production and all the new experimental techniques digital or otherwise, etc. etc.

Taken as a whole the commentaries for the Lord of the Rings trilogy (all four commentaries for each film) could be seen as a Bible and how to guide on filmmaking.

Can you tell how much I like them? Angelic

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"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas

(This post was edited by There&ThereAgain on Feb 1 2013, 2:16am)


Eowyn3
Rivendell

Feb 1 2013, 2:57am


Views: 325
I'll be buying it first day it's out.

Then I'll buy the EE when it comes out. Got to have it right away! With the LOTR, I bought regular, than EE, then blue-ray, then blue-ray EE.Smile


Kimtc
Rohan


Feb 1 2013, 3:14am


Views: 323
Can you give us a hint about the blasphemy?

I'm racking my brain trying to think what it could be. For me, the EE of ROTK is my favorite. I thought the EE of FOTR killed the rhythm of the movie, and while TTT EE was fine, I was thrilled in ROTK to see the little bit of Faramir/Eowyn story added (needed more). Oh, and the Mouth of Sauron, jus' cause I love Bruce Spence.

Now, once you divulge it I will probably go "Oh, yeah, of course," thus killing it for me.


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There is also the fact that EE ROTK included a horrible blasphemy of which I do not often speak, and for which I refuse to watch it again (at least the second disc of it!), despite enjoying the bulk of the movie. What I need to see is on the Theatrical.

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Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Feb 1 2013, 3:34am


Views: 318
The Witch King breaking Gandalf's staff.

Crazy


Kimtc
Rohan


Feb 1 2013, 3:48am


Views: 303
Okay. Point taken.

But I was still happy to see Faramir and Eowyn's (truncated) story, rather than that little look they exchanged in the theatrical version. And Bruce Spence. Oh, and the additional footage of the Battle of Pelennor Fields; got to see anguished Eomer, and PJ get "accidentally" hit by Legolas's arrow. That was fun.


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Feb 1 2013, 3:54am


Views: 306
Although

the charcaters design is very cool and his voice appropriately grungy and creepy , the whole scene is a shadow of what it could have been....and the beheading MadCrazy

And legolas looks very weird in a shot or two Tongue

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Kimtc
Rohan


Feb 1 2013, 4:31am


Views: 301
I've noticed Legolas is one character with variable visual quality.

Particularly in EE scenes. I am sure I caught several shots of him throughout LOTR without his blue contacts, and his hair can be kind of off. Not sure why he has this issue. None of this is to say he isn't attractive, though. Just uneven.

So far the dwarves tend to be fairly steady in looks from shot to shot.


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And legolas looks very weird in a shot or two Tongue



AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 1 2013, 4:44am


Views: 289
Amen! I was JUST about to give Kimtc the long answer, but there it is right there.

When the phantom-wraith of a human king and sorcerer, enslaved to Sauron, breaks the staff of office of an incarnate (if limited) Angel sent by Eru and the Valar. . . one who, in a lesser form, had defeated a Maiar Demon who was present before and involved in the shaping of the World, was a lieutenant of Melkor The Morgoth before the coming of the Elves, and during their many defeats, and trumps Nazgul in all things. . . .Ugh! You would think they would have thought better of it. They didn't have to break the staff to have a nailbiting contest of powers. Better to leave it like the book. I get that Peter wanted more drama. . . but he generally just doesn't excell at magical battles. Better to have left it alone, than to present such. . . blaecch! Heresy. Mad lol. . . but not much lol, really. Frown

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Crazy


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 1 2013, 4:58am


Views: 281
I am with Lustiano on that. I like Bruce. . . but I prefer to remember him alongside Mel Guibson and Tina Turner,

somewhere north of Thunderdome, than being hacked up by Aragorn. That really diminished Aragorn's nobility. There were some good additional scenes in the movie, but for me they were completely outweighed by the excess and the glaring innaccuracies. Unlike EE Fellowship, which was better than the Theatrical in every aspect, so much so that I wish it had BEEN the theatrical.

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But I was still happy to see Faramir and Eowyn's (truncated) story, rather than that little look they exchanged in the theatrical version. And Bruce Spence. Oh, and the additional footage of the Battle of Pelennor Fields; got to see anguished Eomer, and PJ get "accidentally" hit by Legolas's arrow. That was fun.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Súlimë
Rivendell


Feb 1 2013, 7:18am


Views: 266
Yep


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Unlike EE Fellowship, which was better than the Theatrical in every aspect, so much so that I wish it had BEEN the theatrical.

I might be alone in this, but I liked Fellowship (EE) the most out of the three movies, and I keep wanting to watch it, but then I have to watch the other two movies just for the sake of finishing. While I also love watching TT and RotK, I tend to watch them for the 'great moments', but secretly, unconsciously disregard their 'story' (if that makes sense...)

:P


Silmaril
Rohan


Feb 1 2013, 8:13am


Views: 270
i'll be buying both too, cause i want both!

LotR and AuJ are pretty the only movies i'm interested in extended versions and behind the scenes stuff. i would not buy any other movie twice (or more). i watched the different movie versions and all the bonus stuff a lot, so it was worth it!
and so we get new stuff every half year...which is cool too.

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Then I'll buy the EE when it comes out. Got to have it right away! With the LOTR, I bought regular, than EE, then blue-ray, then blue-ray EE.Smile



Silmaril
Rohan


Feb 1 2013, 8:19am


Views: 273
blockbuster uk dates?

sorry but i did not know that this thread titled blockbuster uk dates was about the release of AuJ.


Silmaril
Rohan


Feb 1 2013, 8:29am


Views: 267
the movie, the videoblogs and a short making of.

so i think there will be pretty nothing that we haven't seen, commentaries and extensive making of documentaries will be on the EE.


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If the theatrical edition has it's own directors commentary track (like there was one for LOTR) then that is worth listening to/watching. The commentary for the LOTR EE' dvds primarily just talked about what they added, and wasn't as interesting as what they had for the theatrical versions.



Arannir
Valinor

Feb 1 2013, 8:39am


Views: 260
To me too...

... that was always one of the best parts for me concerning the EEs.

Especially hearing Boyens philosphing about the books gives me such a good time just listening :)

Hope for the same with the Hobbit EEs!!!


Silmaril
Rohan


Feb 1 2013, 9:56am


Views: 280
hearing Boyens philosphing about the books...

oh yes i love that stuff too! want the same for the Hobbit!


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... that was always one of the best parts for me concerning the EEs.

Especially hearing Boyens philosphing about the books gives me such a good time just listening :)

Hope for the same with the Hobbit EEs!!!



TFP
Lorien


Feb 1 2013, 11:53am


Views: 267
EE content/timing


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Indeed, I readily acknowledge that there have been several instances of studios re-packaging a movie and barely changing anything about the release to make money off of a title. And then notoriously they release another version following that, which inevitably includes more features that - some people feel - should have already been included.

At one time, this could have been considered taking advantage of fans. To me, that would have been before the internet existed.

What you consider to be an unacceptable rip off (extended editions) has provided a lot of joy for other people. In addition, there are basic economic principals that are followed... good economics that good businesses follow, that have nothing to do with just the often used cliche of a cash grab.

Studios are offering fans options or tiers if you will. Some people don't care about special features, extended scenes... in essence they just want the movie they saw in theaters.

But there are also plenty of people who enjoy the extended editions, director's cuts, and all of the additional materials as well. They like the "deep dive" if you will. To include those, they ask a different price point for a different experience. That's not unreasonable. You pay more for more. There are plenty of other industries that use that model and people understand it there. Why not the movie industry?

The argument that is old and tiring to me (mostly because it is uninformed yet still authoritatively stated) is that studios should just put both editions on the same disc and avoid the greedy cash grab. Well sometimes they do. And sometimes they don't.

1. This train of thought assumes everybody wants the same content AND is willing to pay for it.

2. It also assumes that you can fit all of that content onto 1 or a minimal amount of discs. (The more discs, the bigger the packaging, the more expensive to distribute). Since PJs Middle Earth movies are on average almost 3 hours per movie (for the theatrical editions) and they are giving you a transfer as close to the DCP you saw in theatre as possible, then adding in all the extra features that are now standard, there isn't a whole lot of room left over after that... even for BluRays. Again, they can add more discs (thus bigger and different packaging) but that costs more to produce which ultimately trickles down to the consumer.

So if they have a market for both, why not create appropriate amounts for both and sell them to both? If people want it and buy it, then that is just following supply and demand...


But that's missing the main point - it's not about having two editions, it's about the timing of the releases.

I don't see how anyone could object to, say in March, the released of a basic theatrical version priced at [say] $15 alongside an deluxe enahced version priced at [say] $25. That'd be totally fair & I would be an EE buyer every time.

I'm a reasonably big 'fan' of Tolkien's stuff, having read the books many times over the years, and even though there was lots that I didn't like about the LOTR films there was still plenty that I did like about them - I'd say I probably watched my FOTR DVD all the way through easily 5-10 times, TTT maybe around 5 times, and ROTK maybe a couple of times. Specific scenes that I liked I watched more than this. But I've never seen any of the extended editions - just out of 'principle' I wouldn't buy them, and equally out of a [different] principle I wouldn't download them illegally. Which I don't think is very nice.

Although I was a bit puzzled by the versions that they showed on UK free-to-air television over the last few months. I'm fairly sure that they had at least some [presumably EE] content in there that I didn't recognise.


(This post was edited by TFP on Feb 1 2013, 11:54am)


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 1 2013, 2:15pm


Views: 241
We can't ride car pool here lol

I love the EE of all three movies and find them to be just a step above the TE. I didn't get upset with the staff breaking to be honest with you. I mean I know character and power wise it doesn't make sense with the unvierse we love but for me there is another bigger issue within ROTK and TTT that bother me much worse. As far as Aragorn taking off The Mouth of Sauron's head I don't have a problem with that at all. I understand it makes him appear less noble but if someone was infront of me talking crap about my friend that was supposedly dead. I'd do the same thing. So like I said I get both sides of that debate. The two things that bothered me the most probably are Frodo showing the Ringwraith the ring and Frodo sending Sam away. Neither of those make any sense to me at all.



imin
Valinor


Feb 1 2013, 2:34pm


Views: 238
Bit extreme dont you think?!


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As far as Aragorn taking off The Mouth of Sauron's head I don't have a problem with that at all...but if someone was infront of me talking crap about my friend that was supposedly dead. I'd do the same thing.



Elessar
Valinor


Feb 1 2013, 2:46pm


Views: 239
In that same exact situation

Nope. If you're in that situation thinking they've tortured your friend, killed him, and you think the end may be coming soon enough I don't. It isn't the most noble way to act and that I agree with but considering the circumstances I don't blame him at all for doing that.



imin
Valinor


Feb 1 2013, 3:03pm


Views: 246
I think for regular people

It would just about be ok.

For Aragorn i dont agree with it. He is the future king and as such i felt it took away from his character by doing this in the film - still its better than him fighting Sauron as they were going to do.

Also the Gandalf and Witch-king scene - *shakes head* - poor form Sir PJ, poor form.

If they could have i think ROTK is one of very few movies which would have been better had they split it into two.


arithmancer
Grey Havens

Feb 1 2013, 3:05pm


Views: 268
EEs require additional work

But the EEs require additional work to make. They need to create all of the extra material, and they need to do the post-production work to incorporate the new scenes. Since we are talking here about a movie (AUJ) in which the theatrical version's completion came down to the wire, it seems clear that this work had not been done in December.

Yes, they could make everyone wait for any DVD until the EEs are done, but that is hardly fair to the people who are happy with a theatrical version DVD and want it as soon as possible. You could, after all, just wait for the EE to be ready, since you know it is coming eventually. While those who can't wait, or never plan to buy the EE anyway, can buy the theatrical when it becomes available.


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 1 2013, 3:36pm


Views: 265
I don't know

Like I said I don't have a problem with it even if it is Aragorn. It didn't for me take away from his character at all but that obviously can be different depending on the person. I agree the Sauron idea was terrible.



Owain
Tol Eressea


Feb 1 2013, 4:11pm


Views: 257
I think that may be your main point of contention...


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But that's missing the main point - it's not about having two editions, it's about the timing of the releases.


But that isn't the same argument that everyone uses and initially you just stated that you were upset - upon principal - at the concept of extended editions.

So for you, as a consumer and if I understand you correctly, you are not opposed to having multiple editions, you just want all of them released at the same time, yes?

I think that's reasonable in some instances. But I also think that it's fair for a studio to try and maximize it's profit on a title (which is different than a cash grab).

The extended editions take more time, resources, and investment. They are not just taking ungraded, unfinished vfx shots, with no ADR and no Sound mixing and adding them as alternate scenes or unfinished shots like a lot of movies do. These are finished shots (graded with finished VFX), added into the existing theatrical release, with additional sound mixing, ADR, and even new scoring that didn't exist before. That's a lot of work that takes additional time and money.

So yes, timing is important to the releases and those are some of the practical reasons you don't see them as simultaneous releases.

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AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 1 2013, 10:54pm


Views: 235
I know exactly what you mean, and I feel almost exactly the same, though

I watch them with the story and great moments in mind, while disregarding (and sometimes skipping) the moments that don't fascinate me so much. They could pair TTT down to Gandalf and The Balrog, The Black Gate, The big White Rider Reveal, the excorcism of Saruman from Theoden, Arwen and Aragorn, Arwen and Elrond, The Story as Forseen from Lorien, Smeagol Sam and the Potatos scene, and key Helm's deep moments, and I would be satisfied, as those are the scenes I love the most, and the ones I really watch it for. In ROTK, the paths of The Dead and the very last Sam ending could go missing, and I wouldn't really miss them. The Crowning and Havens endings of ROTK are SOO Powerful, and a wonderful end to the series. I do love watching those scenes. There are scenes in TTT and ROTK more wrenchingly powerful than probably anything in Fellowship or An Unexpected Journey, but I find for the whole experience, I have a more enjoyable experience overall in watching the other two.

And Extended Fellowship. . . I am completely hooked, at least until they leave Lothlorien. . . and then I love the scene with Legolas and Gimli concerning Galadriel's hair. I do not doubt that An Unexpected and Fellowship will get more watches for me than the last pair of films. We will have to wait and see how we feel about Desolation of Smaug and There and Back Agan.

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Unlike EE Fellowship, which was better than the Theatrical in every aspect, so much so that I wish it had BEEN the theatrical.

I might be alone in this, but I liked Fellowship (EE) the most out of the three movies, and I keep wanting to watch it, but then I have to watch the other two movies just for the sake of finishing. While I also love watching TT and RotK, I tend to watch them for the 'great moments', but secretly, unconsciously disregard their 'story' (if that makes sense...)

:P


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AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 1 2013, 11:08pm


Views: 240
Completely disagree. For one thing, one doesn't always have time for the EE. More importantly, ROTK EE is full of glaring, awful, error.

I can't watch it all the way through. Too infuriating. I really, really HATE the erroneous liberties taken with the Gandalf vs. Witch-King scene. It misrepresents very badly, and people who don't know better take it as cannon. . . which makes me see red.

I spit on that scene. EE ROTK sits in its beautiful blue case (makes me sad that Fellowship didn't get that prettier case) on my shelf collecting dust. And there it shall remain.

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I have never watched the Theatrical editions of the LOTR trilogy after getting the extended editions. The theatrical editions don't exist as far as I am concerned.

And frankly when it comes to money the EEs are a much better deal with a snappier, classier presentation, MORE awesome scenes and moments and score AND amazing commentaries and hours of insightful behind the scenes footage.

It's because of the extended editions that I'm in the film industry today.

So I guffaw on your shoddy principles. Crazy


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"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


nenyacaster
Bree


Feb 2 2013, 2:17am


Views: 228
I see...

If there are no new/exclusive special features, then I will wait for the EE. I'm actually surprised that it's coming out so soon, as I didn't see the LOTR movies when they came out, I only saw the EE's many years later and thought they must have all been released after ROTK.


Eye's on Guard
Lorien


Feb 2 2013, 6:42am


Views: 204
Best of both worlds...

For us EE fans near a Redbox, rent the TE a few times for less than $5 total (even Blu-ray), then get the extended when it comes out Cool


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Feb 2 2013, 8:19pm


Views: 186
OMG!! *spasm* BUT... I will not

be pre-ordering through Amazon. I did that for the release of the Soundtrack, and I didn't get it until nearly a week later. Normally, they time the shipments so you receive them on the release date or the next day. NOT THIS TIME! SO... I'll be standing in my local 24-hr store to buy it at midnight. Then sitting up the rest of the night WATCHING IT!!!

*geeky hand clapping* T'WILL BE AWESOME!



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Lonely Mountain
The Shire

Feb 3 2013, 3:04pm


Views: 267
Removed release date?


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http://www.thehobbit.com/

scroll down! so this should be thoe official release date of the dvd and blu ray!

They removed the release date and it says "now playing" instead. Do you think they accidentally put a wrong date on the page and therefore removed it?