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Starling
Half-elven


Jan 7 2013, 5:58am


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Gardens of sorrow, gardens of hope

So between my birthday and my TORniversary, I thought I should share something.
It was the lovely gardening thread below that reminded me of a moving piece of writing I read a few days ago.
So many beautiful and loved gardens are disappearing from our city, as red-zoners leave, never to return.
I found this beautiful meditation on the process, Gardens of Sorrow, by Diana Madgin. She is leaving hers after 37 years.

I have a clematis in my garden which is doing very well. It was given to me by a neighbour down the road, just before his house was demolished and his garden destroyed before he began rebuilding. Lots of people are sharing plants, so many of these lost gardens will live on in other places.

Here are some children from the school I teach at, 'greening the rubble'. We planted lots of cheery flowers on the vacant site where the local shops fell down. It's what you might call a garden of hope.



Thanks, lovely people, for providing such a great community here. I'm so happy to be a part of it.

Just as an aside, how many people would be interested in a regular gardening thread?


Nienna
Rohan


Jan 7 2013, 7:10am


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I'd enjoy a gardening thread

Gardens can be hard work but along with produce and beauty they can also bring joy, solace and much fun.


alienorchid
Lorien


Jan 7 2013, 9:02am


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How wonderful!

It's great to get the kids involved with such a cool project. The vacant lots are such a poignant reminder of all that we've gone through, and they can look so barren and forlorn, so it's wonderful to see bright flowers growing. I heard of some people a while ago making seed bombs for the vacant lots around and I'd love to have a go at making some myself!

I'd definitely be keen on a gardening thread!


Starling
Half-elven


Jan 7 2013, 9:11am


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It looks very different now

It's all gone pretty wild. The shops are going to be redeveloped soon, and the people doing the development are asking our kids to have a go at designing a logo for it, which is so cool. It looks like quite a nice development, so we may end up with something really good for the community.

When we put the flowers in, we all had an underlying anxiety about whether there would be any vandalism. Instead, people really seemed to take local ownership of the garden. People regularly watered the plants, and someone set up a little table and chairs in the middle. They put a tablecloth and a dainty tea set on the table. It was very cute. Smile

We were given some seed bombs and a few of us went and did some guerrilla seed bombing. You should do some, it's great fun! You could just make your own seed bombs. I'd much rather see flowers springing up than yet another carpark.


Starling
Half-elven


Jan 7 2013, 9:13am


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Goody

It sounds like there are enough keen gardeners around here to get something growing. Smile


alienorchid
Lorien


Jan 7 2013, 9:23am


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People seem to respect those kinds of efforts

I haven't heard of much vandalism or nastiness, other than when a guy I knew was doing a mural somewhere in Sydenham and some loser came along and spray painted over it, so he had to start again :/

I'd love to have a go at seed-bombing. I need to get a posse together and get it done!


Sunflower
Valinor

Jan 7 2013, 9:40am


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Count me in

When I have the time...I'd love to. Seems like everywhere you turn, the world is going to the dogs. But I can't tell you how many times last year (it feels weird, saying "last year":)...I'd walk in the early morning down the farm path to my community garden (I deliberately take a bus instead of drive there and walk 15 minutes down the path, it's a lovely old path called "the Yellow Brick Road" b/c that's what it was 100 yrs ago, a yellow-cobblesoned carriage path; the farm is over 200 yrs old (google Normanskill Farm, Albany, NY for pics)..there's a lovely spot on the path where I stop to look over the landscape, I call it "The Shire" b/c that's exactly what it looks like...you can see a pic of this view on the site... on the farm grounds, which are open to the public all yr long, there are also hiking trails, dog walks, and old buildings where kids come on field trips. A special treat for them is to see the resident blacksmith at work. And sometimes you see the cows or and sheep grazing right next to the path. And across a bridge, on a high hill, there are stables for the police horses.

I walk down there, getting lost on the farm path, you feel like you're in another world....even though the farm is in the midst of a suburb. It sits in a valley, a vast bowl through which runs a creek (the "Norman's Kill" ( "Kill" being corrupted Dutch for "creek", apparently the origional farming family was French) ..the whole sorry world melts away. As long as this land lives, whether or not human hands lovingly tend it, as long as this little patch of God's Creation survives, one can never lose hope. And then I'd be on my land (well, not mine; I rent it from the City, but it's my 4th year now, so I've come to think of the plot as mine) and the work is never work; every hour of labor is a therapeutic joy. And yes, we had swallows come and nest too. And other birds of every description. And the little critters scampering about....as long as they didn't eat my plants --(though the marigolds didn't work where my collards were concerend; collards must be like chocolate for bugs.) And sometimes I'd see an eagle or hawk flying far overhead, and wonder b/c not so long ago we never saw them; they've come back to us. And after, staggering up the path after hours in the garden, and every exhausted muscle and every drop of sweat a bendiction, a balm to my soul. A profound, almost holy Mystery, a spiritual purification.

Waxing poetic, I know, but one can never do too much of that on topics like this. I can go on from there!

The article was indeed moving...I blinked back tears. i can just imagine what they are going through, what you are. the healing must begin..sometime, somewhere.


(This post was edited by Sunflower on Jan 7 2013, 9:48am)


Starling
Half-elven


Jan 7 2013, 9:57am


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That's lovely, Sunflower

I'm so glad you have a garden that brings you comfort and joy. Smile


Lily Fairbairn
Half-elven


Jan 7 2013, 2:49pm


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A garden of hope---what a lovely idea.

I love the thought of people sharing their plants. Like elves returning from the Halls of Mandos, those plants will live forever.

In our family it's my husband who's the gardener---which is one reason I've nicknamed him "The Gaffer". Me, I pull weeds. Smile




Alassëa Eruvande
Valinor


Jan 7 2013, 4:16pm


Views: 567
I'm in!

In Texas, there is a group called Texas Rose Rustlers. Their aim is to hunt down antique roses in old farmsteads, cemeteries, and other abandoned or neglected areas. They get permission from the landowner, then take cuttings of these "wild" roses to propagate in their own gardens, thus preserving a bit of pioneer history. And, any rose that not only survives, but thrives, in its neglected spot is a rose worth having.

The "Martha Gonzales" rose that Lily mentions is one of these roses. It was taken from a cutting in a lady's yard. The experts have yet to positively identify it and have concluded that it may be a sport of something else. So they named it after the lady from whose yard it came. I've owned it as well, and it is a tough little beauty.

The sharing of flowers is a lovely way to preserve a garden, even when its original spot is gone. When you have a cutting of a dear friend's flower, or a hand-me-down iris bulb from your grandma, a little bit of them lives on in the plant, and in your memory. Heart

As for the current Eruvande garden, it's a patch of weeds right now. With the construction of the man cave this fall, we've been a little distracted. I've got to get in there soon, though, and get it into shape. Planting season starts next month!



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Magpie
Immortal


Jan 7 2013, 4:19pm


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perhaps a broader focus than gardening?

We like our yard but it's too shady to grow vegetables and we're too lazy to fuss. So we plant things and they grow and come up the next year or they don't. We have lots of ferns, myrtle, hostas, etc.

But... I am keenly interested in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenology and often tell friends what I'm observing in nature.

But perhaps that's too far afield from discussing what vegetables are being planted or harvested. :-) It's just a thought. I guess this is more what sil tends to talk about.


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Nienna
Rohan


Jan 7 2013, 4:26pm


Views: 556
Was that Wongi?

I'm assuming you're speaking of Wongi as he has done quite a number of the murals in Sydenham. They're great aren't they?


Alassëa Eruvande
Valinor


Jan 7 2013, 4:34pm


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I say that counts, too!

For me, half the fun of planting stuff is seeing if it actually grows! Laugh

Also, if you want to tell about what you observe in your back yard, I'm interested. We plant things that aren't for human consumption all the time. Gotta have something for the butterflies, bees and birds, too.
But not for the deer. Unimpressed Laugh



I am SMAUG! I kill when I wish! I am strong, strong, STRONG!
My armor is like tenfold shields! My teeth like swords! My claws, spears!
The shock of my tail, a thunderbolt! My wings, a hurricane! And my breath, death!


dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jan 7 2013, 4:55pm


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Website?

I draw a blank when clicking on that link - is it supposed to be http://phenology.cfans.umn.edu/? Smile


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Magpie
Immortal


Jan 7 2013, 4:58pm


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here's where I meant to link

to wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenology

I have to write the code and I suspect I forgot to drop down my copied url. Can you correct my post?


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Magpie
Immortal


Jan 7 2013, 5:04pm


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well, I notice more than in my backyard

:-)

For being a largish urban area, Minneapolis is chock full of green space. On my way to work and running most of my errands, I drive past two lakes and a creek. I often see red tailed hawks and eagles and, seasonally, egrets and herons. I love watching the weeping willows on one bank of Lake Nokomis as they change through the seasons.

"Phenology is the study of periodic plant and animal life cycle events and how these are influenced by seasonal and interannual variations in climate, as well as habitat factors. Examples include the date of emergence of leaves and flowers, the first flight of butterflies and the first appearance of migratory birds, the date of leaf colouring and fall in deciduous trees."

So, its the observation of nature and its changes over time. Gardening taps into that, of course. But a conversation that is only about gardening is an Entwife conversation. A conversation about all of nature and how its changing - in your backyard or neighborhood - is for all Ents. :-)


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dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jan 7 2013, 5:07pm


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Greening the rubble!

What a great activity for the kids! When your community has suffered so much, every little bit of sunshine helps. Smile

Transplanting the plants from gardens that can no longer be used is like when bricks and stones and other pieces of a building that has been torn down are used in the construction of other buildings: a piece of the original is preserved. And that is a wonderful thing to do. Heart


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dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jan 7 2013, 5:10pm


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All set!

But better double-check it, just to make sure I got it right...Blush


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Magpie
Immortal


Jan 7 2013, 5:14pm


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looks good. Thanks //

 


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Starling
Half-elven


Jan 7 2013, 9:09pm


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It definitely all counts

I love to talk about gardening, but I'm always interested in the observations people make about the natural world around them, wherever they live. It certainly doesn't have to be just about gardening. I'm pretty keen on birds, so I would love to get into a few conversations about the birds that people observe around them - I would imagine between all of us there would be a great deal of variety. Smile


Starling
Half-elven


Jan 7 2013, 9:10pm


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Weed pullers

are of great value. Cool


Starling
Half-elven


Jan 7 2013, 9:12pm


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Love it!

The Texas Rose Rustlers is such a cool thing. Cool


Starling
Half-elven


Jan 7 2013, 9:14pm


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The kids loved doing it,

although they weren't too keen on the odour of the mushroom compost. Laugh


dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jan 7 2013, 10:01pm


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Mushroom compost?

How hobbity! Laugh


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alienorchid
Lorien


Jan 7 2013, 10:06pm


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Wongi is incredible!

but this was one by 'Yikes', a guy I went to art school with. It's such a great opportunity for graffiti artists to do their thing without stepping on anyone's toes. He was always looking out for legal opportunities to show his work, and now I see his work in all kinds of places all over town.


Lily Fairbairn
Half-elven


Jan 7 2013, 10:27pm


Views: 283
Thanks for the info on the "Martha" rose

We started out with two bushes and now have several. I swear, all you have to do is cut off a twig and stick it in the ground! The antique roses aren't as showy as the hybrid ones, but simply as shrubs they're more attractive. And "tough" doesn't begin to describe it. Anything that can survive the cycle of the seasons here in Texas without extra water, shade, mulch, etc. is REALLY tough!




Alassëa Eruvande
Valinor


Jan 7 2013, 10:40pm


Views: 277
You're welcome!

As for showy, you clearly have never laid eyes on Paul Neyron. Laugh

I had one that was over five feet tall and covered in blooms the size of your palm. I had to leave it behind when I moved after being married, and it was like leaving a child behind. Frown

Another favorite is Heritage, although it is technically not an "antique", but developed by David Austin for its similarities to antiques: toughness and beauty.

Yes, we definitely need a gardening thread. I have other geeky tendencies that need an outlet! Laugh



I am SMAUG! I kill when I wish! I am strong, strong, STRONG!
My armor is like tenfold shields! My teeth like swords! My claws, spears!
The shock of my tail, a thunderbolt! My wings, a hurricane! And my breath, death!


Ethel Duath
Half-elven


Jan 7 2013, 10:59pm


Views: 285
That article is so moving--

It's so hard to think of those grand old trees and plants left behind. Is there any way, I wonder, that some of the gardens could be preserved somehow? Maybe someone will rebuild there and take care of them again, or is there just too much liquefaction and all? So sad.

And there are your students, pushing back the sadness! You Christchurch folks are amazing, turning destruction into a flower bed.Smile

And yes! to a regular garden thread! Shall we get organized and have a list of whose turn it is next? Do we want weekly/biweekly/or . . .?


Starling
Half-elven


Jan 7 2013, 11:15pm


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The land is zoned red

which means it cannot be built on again, so all the houses are being demolished, and most of their gardens are going with them.
There are people working to preserve some of the larger trees in these areas, but it's not always practical. The people living there basically have to sell their house, or land, or both to the Government - but that is another story all on its own.
Long term, it is hoped that there will be a greenspace 'corridor' along the river, from the central city out into the suburbs, with cycle tracks and walkways.

If you have a look at this map, you can see a combination of green and red zoned land. If you scroll around, you can see that the majority of red-zoned land follows the river, or is where houses were built on what was previously a wetland. The lateral spreading and liquefaction was so bad in these areas that they have been deemed unsuitable to ever build on again. The other red zoning is on the hills, where some of the cliffs are unstable, and there is an onging danger of rockfall. There are some in-between categories as well, where people are allowed to rebuild on green-zoned land, but will need to meet very specific building requirements for foundations.
All of those red zones you can see are communities that will be no more. It's very, very sad.

Do you think we are meant to ask the admins about a regular gardening / nature watching thread, or are we allowed to just go for it?


Ataahua
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jan 7 2013, 11:46pm


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Just go for it.

As for the abandoned land, I have a picture in my head of km after km of land alongside the river where the ornamental and edible plants from the former homes are retained and maintained for a unique historical garden. I think that would be a lovely interactive memorial of all those families who had called the land home for more than a century.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jan 7 2013, 11:50pm


Views: 285
Just go for it!

You might want to pick a day of the week, and decide who will start it, and then a catchy title like "It's the Weekly Gardening and Nature Watching Thread" Tongue (I'm sure you can come up with something better! Laugh).

Then, watch it grow! Wink


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Starling
Half-elven


Jan 8 2013, 12:04am


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Ok, we'll go for it! Suggestions in here please

1: Shall we have a rotation for hosting duties? Sign up!
2: How often shall we have it?
3: What shall it be called - I like Magpie's idea about it being inclusive ie: not only to talk about gardening

What say you?


Starling
Half-elven


Jan 8 2013, 12:09am


Views: 258
I think Diana Magdin,

who wrote the article I posted, has some ideas about this. I know she was organising groups to relocate people's precious and heritage plants.
There was a series running in the newspaper about notable trees in the red zone. Some of the trees were ancient, and they all had stories. I really hope some of those trees and the gardens can remain.

I don't know that gardens are high on Gerry Brownlee's wish-list though. Frown


Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Jan 8 2013, 10:27am


Views: 286
I keep thinking

of Ithilien. New Ithilien, maybe, where the garden of Christchurch now desolate, keeps still a dishevelled dryad loveliness... The thought gives me hope. I love the really wild style of "English garden" for true relaxation and reflection. Even without any half-hidden hobbit statues for visitors to stumble onto...

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Sunflower
Valinor

Jan 8 2013, 1:08pm


Views: 276
Fantastic idea!

I think it's so appropriate in a Tolkien Forum, to salute an author who has been accused of "the landscapes having more personality than the people" in his worksSmile. In that vien, I think it would be fantastic to have a "Nature" thread...where people come to celebrate the simple joys of whatever bit of God's earth they live on, not just gardens. What's so great about the landscape where you live, and how do people in your area celebate it? Who knows, you could live in Phoenix, Arizona, and there could be a group that does someting unique in the desert. Or you just love to go out to the desert and admire the place.

As long as Nature is the theme, you could write about anything that inspired you or did something great that past week, like a Nature-themed "Fiesta Friday."

Brainstorming for a name...something Tolkien-y, like "The Legacy of Arda: Our Weekly Nature-lovers thread" maybe. . "Are you a gardener, or an artist or musician, or do you like to hike or enjoy other outdoor sports, or an author? Or did you do something theraputic outdoors this week? Talk about it here." Share pics etc. I know a lot of folks like to share pics of seasonal landscapes and talk about hiking trips, etc. that could all go here.

It would also be great b/c there'd be something more positive to look forward to, people doing positive things in the places they live , when the headlines around the world are so depressing these days (which is why incresingly I don't watch or read the news:)

Just nonsense rambling. And thank you for the kindreply Starling. Have to go off to work, so I can't reply more now:)


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Ataahua
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jan 8 2013, 5:41pm


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That is a lovely thought. /

 

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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kiwifan
Rohan

Jan 9 2013, 11:15pm


Views: 251
Thank you so much for this post and link to the lovely article 'Gardens of Sorrow'

it made me cry. But then not all tears are an evil, right? *sniffs*

I love your 'garden of hope' idea --- so good for the kids and, hopefully, the adults as well. Can you plant sunflowers? They to me symbolise optimism. Too bad I can't send you any from our own 'seed bombs' (which we threw into the fenced-in wasteland where our beloved Schlossgarten park used to be last spring) because I don't think one is allowed to send seeds to NZ (or carry them on an airplane, either?)

And belatedly, best wishes for your birthday --- may you and all the people in Christchurch have passed the nadir and rebuild in peace! And may your clematis flourish always and give you joy.

(sorry if this sounds awfully mushy but ... !)

'Goodness gracious, you really are a messie!' 'Oh no, I'm not, these are all just mathoms...'


Ethel Duath
Half-elven


Jan 9 2013, 11:55pm


Views: 238
How 'bout bi-weekly so people

can sort of "store up" enough nature experiences or of gardening results or new recipes out of their gardens (etc.) to have a longer thread?

And should we have the list of hosts for 4 upcoming threads (2 months) or longer? or shorter?

I'm not a great organizer, so maybe somebody else could figure out how best to do it, and post the request for each new list like they do in the Reading Room?


zarabia
Tol Eressea


Jan 10 2013, 8:24am


Views: 234
What a lovely idea!

Nothing like new life to lift the spirits. Smile

And BTW, Happy Birthday and Merry TORniversary! SmileSmile

"The question isn't where, Constable, but when." - Inspector Spacetime


Annael
Immortal


Jan 11 2013, 4:53pm


Views: 223
I live a peripatetic life

I move a lot, usually not by choice. I console myself with the thought that I always leave a garden behind.

(Although I can't drive by the house my husband & I owned because we gardened every inch of the property before selling it to nongardeners who have let it all go to weeds.)

The way we imagine our lives is the way we are going to go on living our lives.

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silneldor
Half-elven


Jan 11 2013, 5:49pm


Views: 246
Gee Starling i missed this thread somehow,

but let me contribute this poem for here i believe, it will grow.

The Garden Of The Mind

by Victor Gatenby

We are but fragile,
our mind, body and
soul,
engineered, finely tuned,
nimble and agile.

Great care must be taken,
as the very fabric,
can be broken or torn,
before it is time and
through wear and tear,
it is worn.

So, my friends,
it leads me to this.
The body is like a garden,
to be enjoyed with simplicity
and such bliss.

The mind is like a garden bed,
waiting for seeds to be sown,
watered and fed.

Sowing seeds of positive nature,
cultivating to grow, develop and
with care, nurture.
Positive seeds, growing into seedlings
firmly taking hold,
maturing into a plant of positive thought.
It is only with the thought being sown
in the first place,
that the mind is being trained and taught.

From the positive mind,
shall grow and blossom with success,
the fruits of life,
happiness, contentment
with no stress.

On the other hand,
to sow a seed of negative kind,
yes, the seed will grow, develop and bear
fruit of bitterness, to fall by the wayside
of the land.
The seed of negative thought therefore will
be a failure,
not nice, not an inkling of goodness
and has no place in the
garden of your mind.