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New Clip HD!!!! The White Council (incredible acting)

Ecthelions Beard
The Shire

Dec 6 2012, 8:37pm

Views: 3945

New Clip HD!!!! The White Council (incredible acting)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvwX_ng28Q8

redgiraffe
Rohan

Dec 6 2012, 8:39pm

Views: 1991

woah cool

where did you get this from?

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle

Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea

Dec 6 2012, 8:39pm

Views: 2023

I have NO self control left...

Watching clips left and right, behind the scenes specials - somebody seriously needs to take my computer away from me! Wink

Looks great! The wait is becoming more and more unbearable. Crazy

"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence

dave_lf
Gondor

Dec 6 2012, 8:40pm

Views: 2048

Too much talking

Someone cut off a head or something before I die of boredom!

Kidding; of course. I hear this is a long scene and if the rest is similar to this clip, I'll love every minute.

Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea

Dec 6 2012, 8:42pm

Views: 1922

Yes.

If this is the type of stuff the critics didn't like, I don't think we fans don't have a thing to worry about. Cool

redgiraffe
Rohan

Dec 6 2012, 8:43pm

Views: 1934

Haha

I was just about to comment on the fact that critics have chalked this up to exposition and said there is too much exposition in the film. Well If all the exposition involves this kind of acting then I'm all for it!

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle

redgiraffe
Rohan

Dec 6 2012, 8:45pm

Views: 2090

clickable

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvwX_ng28Q8

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle

Tim
Tol Eressea

Dec 6 2012, 8:45pm

Views: 2050

The more I see

The more I disagree with negative reviews. Though to be fair none I've read have knocked the acting. But this wasn't boring to this diehard fan, it was thrilling.

Actually, having just watched that other 13 minute preview in 1080p this looks a little blurry in 720. I'm getting spoiled. Wink

Arthur: What manner of man are you that can summon up fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: I... am an enchanter.
Arthur: By what name are you known?
Tim: There are some who call me... 'Tim'...?
Arthur: ...greetings, Tim the Enchanter.

dubulous
Rohan

Dec 6 2012, 8:46pm

Views: 1891

You and me both

I had to watch. I can't help myself!

But the White Council looks just as amazing as I've been hoping it to be.

rune
The Shire

Dec 6 2012, 8:46pm

Views: 1903

Good clip

The acting is good....

I like the way it's is stages that Gandalf is looked upon by the others amd dismissed with "What are you worrying about?"

Elutherian
Rohan

Dec 6 2012, 8:49pm

Views: 1860

MUST RESIST... TEMPTATION!!!

Why must they do this so close to the release.... WHY!!!!??

The Grey Pilgrim, they once called me. Three hundred lives of men I walked this earth, and now I have no time...

thoon
Bree

Dec 6 2012, 8:50pm

Views: 1949

I'm getting a weird vibe from this "exposition"

It's almost like they're trying to set up subsequent films. Dare I say, two trilogies? Preposterous of course! Clearly it's just padding. Tongue

Eruonen
Half-elven

Dec 6 2012, 8:51pm

Views: 1954

Agree, some of the critics don't understand the story and

don't relish in every scene the way we do. It also comes down to the the "like fantasy" or "detest fantasy" crowds.
Some people just cannot stand anything that is not reality based and will not allow imagination or wonder to enter their minds. If it isn't gritty, emotionally wrenching, tear jerking, moral vagueness...no good or evil etc, true or realistic modern tales it isn't worthy.

(This post was edited by Eruonen on Dec 6 2012, 8:52pm)

Seaber
Rivendell

Dec 6 2012, 8:57pm

Views: 1899

What is meant by the line

"We have been at peace for four hundred years"?

What happened four hundred years ago?

Love the clip!

redgiraffe
Rohan

Dec 6 2012, 9:00pm

Views: 1804

It was a little blurry!

I don't think they put it in full HD because I was watching the 13 minutes preview in 720p and it looked much sharper.

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle

Eruonen
Half-elven

Dec 6 2012, 9:04pm

Views: 1811

I know there are reasons for wanting a small group interacting,

but I would love to have seen a few more potential
members present - Cirdan, Glorfindel, Erestor, Celeborn etc. even if in the background. However, I understand the
reasons for wanting an intimate setting vs the council of Elrond type of shoot on FOTR.

(This post was edited by Eruonen on Dec 6 2012, 9:04pm)

belfalas
Bree

Dec 6 2012, 9:07pm

Views: 1734

Compromise: I watched it without the sound

I'm drooling at the prospect of seeing this flick

Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor

Dec 6 2012, 9:08pm

Views: 1774

Perhaps...

the war with Angmar?

"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."

sharpened_graphite
Rivendell

Dec 6 2012, 9:17pm

Views: 1675

Beautiful stuff!

And great acting by everyone involved.

BornOutOfTheWest
Rivendell

Dec 6 2012, 9:18pm

Views: 1678

WOWWW

I've been looking forward to this scene since i heard the white council was announced to be in it! You can clearly see Galadriel siding with Gandalf while Saruman/Elrond are more cautious. It's interesting hearing from the Chirstopher Lee interview how 'Saruman is good and noble in these movies', and yet perhaps we can see his slight mistrust/annoyance with gandalf - 'Always must you Meddle!'. Jealous of 'Narya' perhaps? ;)

Macfeast
Rohan

Dec 6 2012, 9:19pm

Views: 1682

That was my thought as well.

The Angmar-war did take place earlier than that (1000 years earlier, rather than 400), but a change in timeline wouldn't be something new at this stage. Based on our knowledge of the Nazg�l-tombs, I'd say it'd make a good deal of sense having it be a reference to the Angmar-war, because it'd connect the war with the Nazg�l-tombs (which presumably would be made directly after said war), and neatly explain the peace; They bested and entombed the Nazg�l, and Sauron was thought bested since earlier, so of course there'll be peace.

Excellent clip. If this is the quality we can expect from the dialogue- and exposition-scenes, then I am in no rush to see the action-scenes.

(This post was edited by Macfeast on Dec 6 2012, 9:27pm)

sycorax82
Rohan

Dec 6 2012, 9:24pm

Views: 1716

I can see where the 'critics' are coming from; this really is for us fans!

This White Council scene WILL stop proceedings stone dead for many casual viewers. For this reason, it may have ended up being an EE-only scene if PJ had stuck with 2 movies.

90% of the people who see AUJ will just be waiting for them to get on with the action or for the hot guy to come back onscreen, the comedy characters etc.

Of course, the rest of us are gonna lap this up! I really like how the other three are 'above' Gandalf.

Welsh hero
Gondor

Dec 6 2012, 9:36pm

Views: 1658

For 400 years we have had peace

what war are they talking about?

-Irfon

Twitter: @IrfonPennant
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sharpened_graphite
Rivendell

Dec 6 2012, 9:48pm

Views: 1590

One especially impressive thing about this clip...

Is how well does the writing capture the music and cadence of Tolkien's dialogue, even though it's fanfiction.

If all of Peter's, Fran's and Philippa's additions to the basic story are of the same quality then we have an excellent movie on our hands (a masterpiece even)!

Tim
Tol Eressea

Dec 6 2012, 9:58pm

Views: 1554

Encyclopedia of Arda has a time frame tool, this is what I got from it:

According to the Encylopedia of Arda, these are the events that happen roughly 400 years or so before that meeting of the White Council in 2941 Third Age. I'm not sure what would qualify here if anything as the trouble Elrond is alluding to.

Edit: Perhaps Rohan coming to the aid of Gondor? Elrond's wife leaves around this time frame.

The Third Age

2501 L�od is thrown by the horse Felar�f and dies. Eorl the Young becomes Lord of the �oth�od.
2509 Steward Cirion sends messengers into the north to seek aid from the �oth�od against Gondor's enemies.
Celebr�an is captured by Orcs, and receives a poisoned wound.
2510 The Rohirrim ride to the aid of Gondor and are victorious in the Battle of the Field of Celebrant. They are given the land of Calenardhon (Rohan) to dwell in, and Eorl the Young becomes its first King.
Departure of Elrond's spouse Celebr�an into the West.
2515 Likely date of birth of H�rin son of Hallas, who later ruled Gondor as Steward H�rin II.
2523 Death of Arahad I. He is succeeded as Chieftain of the D�nedain by his son Aragost.
2542 Birth of Thr�r, later King under the Mountain.
2545 Eorl of Rohan is slain in battle. He is succeed as King by his son Brego.
Likely date of the birth of Belecthor son of H�rin II, later Ruling Steward Belecthor I of Gondor.
2563 Probable date of the birth of Arahad son of Aravorn, later Chieftain Arahad II of the D�nedain.
2567 Death of Steward Cirion. He is succeeded by his son Hallas.
2569 Meduseld, the Golden Hall of Edoras, is completed by King Brego. At the feast of celebration, Brego's son Baldor vows to enter the Paths of the Dead. He sets out for the Dwimorberg and is lost.
2570 Death of King Brego of Rohan, from grief at the loss of his son Baldor in the Paths of the Dead. He is succeeded by Baldor's brother Aldor.
2576 Likely date of the birth of Orodreth son of Belecthor I, later Ruling Steward of Gondor.
2585 Death of King N�in II of Durin's Folk. He is succeeded by his son, D�in.
2588 Death of Chieftain Aragost of the D�nedain. He is succeeded by his son, Aravorn.
2589 D�in I and his son Fr�r are slain by a Cold-drake. D�in is succeeded by his son Thr�r.
2590 Gr�r, the younger brother of King Thr�r of Durin's Folk, leads many Dwarves to settle in the Iron Hills east of Erebor.
The Dwarves of Durin's Folk return to Erebor.
2594 Birth of Fr�awine, later King of Rohan.

http://www.glyphweb.com/...ar=2600&endage=3

Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Dec 6 2012, 10:02pm

Views: 1103

Not necessarily anything in particular.

Might just be there to indicate a very long time. The overall timelines aren't a feature beyond what is referenced.

LR

Simon
Rivendell

Dec 6 2012, 10:10pm

Views: 1076

48 fps topic

How can people say it look like a cheap soap opera with a beautiful cinematography like that! Maybe it feel weird from a perspective of movement...but look cheap...hmmmm...i have serious doubts!

Macsen
Lorien

Dec 6 2012, 10:24pm

Views: 1062

Fantastic acting...

... though the panning shots around a CGI room were a bit new Star Wars trilogy for me.

Beeromir
The Shire

Dec 6 2012, 10:26pm

Views: 1055

I know that it's probably the correct pronunciation, but...

i just hate to hear it pronounced Smow-g. It sounds so much better as Smaw-g, and as someone who has the au- dipthong in his name pronounced "aw," the "ow" grates.

Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea

Dec 6 2012, 10:27pm

Views: 993

The clip is 24fps...

...so the scene would look different in 48fps.

Thoromir
Rivendell

Dec 6 2012, 10:31pm

Views: 1057

Hm, I found them a bit distracting.

I guess those shots are in, because otherwise it would be a more dragging scene for most people.
I found it a bit distracting; switching to a wide shot when Christopher Lee is speaking...pfff Unsure

Simon
Rivendell

Dec 6 2012, 10:32pm

Views: 965

I know that...

But how much the 48 fps can have a major impact on the cinematography...the color grading and the tone of the image? Maybe it will have...but i really hope that the fairytal-ish tone and colors will stay!

Macsen
Lorien

Dec 6 2012, 10:42pm

Views: 996

Perhaps...

... it's easier on him just to provide a voice. He is 90 after all...

Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea

Dec 6 2012, 10:43pm

Views: 993

Yeah...

The colors and stuff won't change. What will be different is the motion. The picture will appear to move faster and more fluid.

Simon
Rivendell

Dec 6 2012, 10:48pm

Views: 922

good

I'm sure it will look a little weird on the beginning but i will adjust and like it! :) ...i will see it in Imax 3D 48 fps on the 13th! Can't wait!

painjoiker
Grey Havens

Dec 6 2012, 11:00pm

Views: 959

I think we will see him speak more,

This is just a small bit of a longer scene. There will be more of Saruman speaking Wink

Vocalist in the semi-progressive metal band Arctic Eclipse

Thoromir
Rivendell

Dec 6 2012, 11:02pm

Views: 901

Sure hope so! //

Tim
Tol Eressea

Dec 7 2012, 2:31am

Views: 839

Watched this a couple times and it struck me about Elrond

His hair looks better. It doesn't look a tad bit ridiculous like it did in some bits of LOTR.

And Galadriel! Such majesty and poise! Watching her walk around makes me finally fall in love with her just like poor old Gimli. Wink

nobofthepony
Lorien

Dec 7 2012, 2:37am

Views: 840

Every clip I see makes me scratch my head about the mixed reviews...

I think it is the perfect storm between annoyance at the high frame rate and the predictable reaction that anything not in the 300 page book is "padding" that Jackson made up to make $$$. Every clip I've seen so far has me fired up, critics be damned.

totoro
Lorien

Dec 7 2012, 3:35am

Views: 771

Oh yes!

If this is what is causing reviewers to complain about bloat, I would happily indulge myself until I am bloated beyond all recognition.

jtarkey
Rohan

Dec 7 2012, 3:51am

Views: 741

I agree...

Every clip, trailer, and t.v. spot has gotten me more and more excited. I keep seeing all these amazing scenes (Fili and Kili entering Bag End, Gandalfs wise words to Bilbo while presenting Sting). I can't imagine not liking the finished product.

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"

Joe20
Lorien

Dec 7 2012, 3:57am

Views: 742

Yep I agree.

I really think it is the 48fps that has tainted the reviews and perhaps caused them to perceive the movie as a whole as being a bit lucklaster

AinurOlorin
Half-elven

Dec 7 2012, 4:43am

Views: 748

Magnificent scene! God, I hope it stays!

Sick of shares suddenly going defunct! This is a great clip.

In Reply To

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvwX_ng28Q8

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

Intergalactic Lawman
Rohan

Dec 7 2012, 4:48am

Views: 759

Thanks!

I loved this clip! Everything I've seen I have really liked -so why are there such negative reviews I wonder? Maybe it's how it all comes together...

jtarkey
Rohan

Dec 7 2012, 6:23am

Views: 722

That's what I'm worried about

Clips can look great on their own, but it's still very possible that the story isn't all that engaging. That's the main vibe I get from the reviews thus far.

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"

wendy woo
Rivendell

Dec 7 2012, 6:30am

Views: 718

I think you're on to something

My fantasy-hating husband refuses to go the theatre with us to see this movie even though it's something we can do with our kids and family at Xmas time because "I'm not wanting to go to a movie with a bunch of groupies" (my siblings and I are fans). His attitude is ridiculous, mind you, because no one in the family is so dedicated that we would EVER go to the theatre in costume and with props like it was a showing of The Rocky Horror Picture Show (I wouldn't go to see that one at all, btw). More than anything else, I think he just feels like an odd-man-out with us because we like it and he doesn't see the charm. Unless a story is based on something with a more ordinary every day feel to it, he's bored. But, in my opinion, just because one does not care for fantasy it does not follow that the fantasy lover is a nut or a zealot!

And on that same note, it bugged me that when it was announced that Peter Jackson was returning to Middle Earth, many people said or had an attitude of "Not again" as if PJ had made nothing else in the last ten years. It's funny that some of the same people who make these statements are the same people who admire the works of other directors even though they make the same kind of stuff over and over. Tyler Perry, James Cameron, and Martin Scorsese come to mind for doing that. Scorsese, for instance, has been making the same kind of gritty, urban film for thirty years and people think he's great (I think his gangster stuff is crap, btw. His characters are vile, violent, and what's worse, booorrring. The Departed and Casino were especially bad). I never am interested in any of his gangster characters and I don't have a predjudice against the genre because I believe Coppola's The Godfather is one of the best films ever made. I know Scorsese's made The Aviator and Hugo, but I think he's better when he stays out of American cities. But I know, if he were to suddenly announce that he decided to make another grim trip to Jersey or the Lower East Side, NO ONE would say "What?? Again???" like they do with Jackson. In my opinion, there's a common snobbery that people who are not fans seem to share.

Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea

Dec 7 2012, 6:52am

Views: 678

Don't forget...

...many of these same critics were ones who said that the ending of Return of the King went on too long and should have been cut out.

I've heard nothing but glowing reviews from fans, and that's all I care about at this stage. (Now that I think about it, that's all I cared about back when FotR came out too - I don't think I even read any "professional" reviews, except maybe for Roger Ebert. I just read fan reviews. Seems to me that my 17 year old self had the right idea! Wink

)

MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea

Dec 7 2012, 7:26am

Views: 698

wow, Christopher Lee does look like he was actually there!!

-but he was superimposed, amazing scene!

Owned.

DanielLB
Immortal

Dec 7 2012, 8:21am

Views: 643

I've been spoiled too much this week.

And since I'm a Fanboy of Galadriel, I can wait 6 days.

I think i can wait ...

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Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator

Dec 7 2012, 8:46am

Views: 615

Think of it this way.

There are a lot of audience members who are not dedicated Tolkien fans, as well as a few who are. Think of the critics, and especially the RT rating as representative of the probable reception from the mass audience - if 70% of the people you know who see the film like it, don't you think that's pretty good? Only a few of them are likely to already be Tolkien fans, and they will understand and really get the story, and a few more may become fans as a result of the movie, but the majority of the audience just want to have a fun time. They may like it but it won't be their favorite film ever, or they won't understand it all, or they may have mixed feelings with some things they liked and some things they didn't. And you may even know some people who will see and not like it. We have different critics who fit in all of those categories.

Take the critics (and the RT score) not as authorities, but as representatives of the total audience who will be watching the film, with all the different points of view that includes. The critics are a spectrum, just like the general audience is a spectrum of different points of view and likes and dislikes. If 70% of them like the film, then chances are pretty good that 70% of filmgoers will also like it. It isn't everyone, but it's still a lot of people. And the reviewers who demonstrate the greatest knowledge of the book are giving the most positive reviews. The Hobbit, both book and movie, is not to everyone's taste and that is represented in the reviews. But those who love the book seem to be also loving the movie. For those of us who love the book too, that's a good sign. Smile

Silverlode

Lightice
Lorien

Dec 7 2012, 12:24pm

Views: 587

He WAS actually there

In Reply To

-but he was superimposed, amazing scene!

Actually, they flew the entire set and the key actors to England to shoot right alongside Christopher Lee. They even showed the English studio in a vlog months ago.

DanielLB
Immortal

Dec 7 2012, 12:31pm

Views: 577

Has that been confirmed?

As far as I'm aware, Elijah Wood was the only person flown over to the UK to film his scenes with Ian Holm.

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Mischa07
Bree

Dec 7 2012, 12:51pm

Views: 561

Christopher Lee was on his own, yes. NT

(This post was edited by Mischa07 on Dec 7 2012, 12:52pm)

Lightice
Lorien

Dec 7 2012, 12:58pm

Views: 560

But...

In Reply To

As far as I'm aware, Elijah Wood was the only person flown over to the UK to film his scenes with Ian Holm.

They showed pieces of the Rivendell set in the vlog that showed us Christopher Lee was involved. And Sylvester McCoy confirmed that he did not have scenes with Lee, which gave the impression that other castmembers did.

DanielLB
Immortal

Dec 7 2012, 1:08pm

Views: 550

I'm not sure what you mean by this:

In Reply To

They showed pieces of the Rivendell set in the vlog that showed us Christopher Lee was involved.

And I think McCoy said that Radagast didn't have any scenes with Saruman. I don't think that suggests the other actoes filmed scenes with Lee. Crazy

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Lightice
Lorien

Dec 7 2012, 1:11pm

Views: 508

Basically

In Reply To

And I think McCoy said that Radagast didn't have any scenes with Saruman. I don't think that suggests the other actoes filmed scenes with Lee. Crazy

He said that he didn't do any shoots with Lee. It would be pretty redundant to say that if none of the cast did. And as I said, I remember how the vlog featuring Lee had pieces of Rivendell architecture brought to England. Why would they bother if Lee was simply greenscreened in?

DanielLB
Immortal

Dec 7 2012, 1:13pm

Views: 527

All I remember is the chair he was sat on.

Other than that, Lee hasn't appeared in any other vlog.

And if they did use some of the set, it's probably because the character had to interact with that particular part. It's easy to do that, than green screen the set in, if Saruman has to do something with it.

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Intergalactic Lawman
Rohan

Dec 7 2012, 1:14pm

Views: 547

I wonder...

Is this the only white council scene in the films? I remember seeing pictures of them talking around the same table but during the day... And it was a movie still from memory.

DanielLB
Immortal

Dec 7 2012, 1:17pm

Views: 526

Is it this picture, on the poster?

Link

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Intergalactic Lawman
Rohan

Dec 7 2012, 1:22pm

Views: 524

Yes!! That's it...

I wonder if this is still a scene...or did they just "change" it to night time?

Unsure

dave_lf
Gondor

Dec 7 2012, 1:23pm

Views: 521

Promotional Material

In Reply To

I loved this clip! Everything I've seen I have really liked -so why are there such negative reviews I wonder? Maybe it's how it all comes together...

Keep in mind that anything WB is choosing to share at this point is going to be the absolute cream of the crop.

zarqui2
Registered User

Dec 7 2012, 1:24pm

Views: 507

you're right!

You're right! I also wanted to ask that. In addition, in the first movie, there is a scene with Gandalf and Saruman alone?
sorry for my english :)

Intergalactic Lawman
Rohan

Dec 7 2012, 1:25pm

Views: 522

Yeah true...

I just can't fathom not liking the film from what I have seen... Maybe that's why it will sting so much if I don't Cool

Intergalactic Lawman
Rohan

Dec 7 2012, 1:28pm

Views: 505

Is there??

I haven't heard about it to be honest... Hope so! The more we see of Saruman the better! Christopher Lee is brilliant!

Your english is fine Smile

Cave Troll
Rivendell

Dec 7 2012, 1:30pm

Views: 513

I fear

this clip is going to be the film in a nutshell: good acting and solid writing spoilt by unnecessary CGI and drawn-out exposition.

On the plus side, McKellen is nothing short of immense. He's so, so good.

Cave Troll
Rivendell

Dec 7 2012, 1:35pm

Views: 467

Fair point

...but the White Council (and many of the other scenes we've been shown recently) has been something they've allowed us to see in pics and magazines for months now - long before the film was finished.

Jettorex
Lorien

Dec 7 2012, 1:50pm

Views: 481

Because

The reviewers are clueless. If its not constant action they dont get it.
Actually the more negative reviews I read, the more I know its going to be great.

- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."

My Book---> www.amazon.com/Popcornmaker

MTT Gandalf
Bree

Dec 7 2012, 2:07pm

Views: 490

Maybe...

...the Watchful Peace?

I know, in the book-canon the Watchful Peace happened earlier, but this is Peter Jackson' Middle-Earth, with it's own history and a new timeline.

zarqui2
Registered User

Dec 7 2012, 2:10pm

Views: 481

comic-con

thanks!! :)

In the comic-con was projected this scene

Source: http://www.hollywood.com/...Kellen_LOTR/33918208

Quote

We see Gandalf meeting Saruman (Christopher Lee). Shots of the dwarves running through the forest. Gandalf in Rivendell. A shot of a boat going through a canal in Laketown

Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor

Dec 7 2012, 2:46pm

Views: 477

Lee was alone on set

In Reply To

They showed pieces of the Rivendell set in the vlog that showed us Christopher Lee was involved

Sorry... I have to change a bit: They showed pieces of the Rivendell set in the vlog that showed us Saruman was involved.

Why the change? Because Sir Christopher Lee shot all of his parts alone in London (Pinewood Studios) with a lot greenscreen and only parts of the Rivendell set while Sir Ian McKellen, Hugo Weaving and Cate Blanchett shot their parts together in Wellington with a Saruman-double and the complete set. In the final process they changed the double with the shots of Lee from London.

The shot from one of the vlogs with Sir Christopher Lee in the end was made in London. All the other shots with the complete Rivendell set, Gandalf, Elrond and Galadriel were made in Wellington.

"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."

unexpectedvisitor
Rohan

Dec 7 2012, 3:20pm

Views: 453

huh?

i don't get how this clip is an example of "unnecessary" CGI. the backdrops? the establishing shot inserted after the first few dialogue shots? that's a common technique in film and a welcome change from always starting a scene with the establishing shot, in my opinion.

as for "drawn-out exposition," i mean, i guess it's a matter of taste how much you can stomach or even enjoy that, but exposition is absolutely nothing new to this series. Tolkien's books and PJ's original trilogy were rife with it, as it is a somewhat necessary "evil" in trying to communicate the details and happenings of a world that is foreign to the audience.

take, for instance, a movie like Inception. absolutely loaded with exposition, but again, somewhat necessary so that Nolan could give us all the haps for this complex vision he had of dream-sharing in a way that was coherent and made at least some sort of sense.

P.S. heck, in The Hobbit there's whole sections where characters are just telling other characters what happened to them, like when Gandalf and the dwarves tell Bilbo what happened to them after they lost him in the mountains. at least we won't have that kind of exposition in the movies as we'll just get to see what PJ and company imagined happening.

Lusitano
Tol Eressea

Dec 7 2012, 3:28pm

Views: 449

Quite opposite with me

Love Taxi Driver, Raging Bull , The Departed..

That " im gonna grab a smoke, do you wanna a smoke, no you dont smoke, what are you one of those featness freaks? Go F*** yourself. " joke was one of the biggets laughs i ever had in a cinema. Wink

Cave Troll
Rivendell

Dec 7 2012, 4:14pm

Views: 440

Well

I do think the establishing stuff is a bit show-offy. It screams "look at what we can do with our green screen" but maybe that's just me.

You're right - exposition is sometimes a necessary evil. It can be done well and it can be horrifically clunky. Watching it again, I actually think this is done quite well, to be fair.

(This post was edited by Altaira on Dec 8 2012, 5:20am)

Tim
Tol Eressea

Dec 7 2012, 4:32pm

Views: 411

Rather than showing off, I think the motivation is to make the shot interesting

It makes the shot more interesting in my opinion. Watching years of cinema, the more variety I see in camera angles and viewpoints is welcome. I pretty much always enjoy the way PJ uses the camera and that was one thing I loved about LOTR, like his shot swooping down the side of Orthanc into the orc pits...

sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea

Dec 7 2012, 4:48pm

Views: 424

OT, i know, but...

What about Goodfellas? I don't know how anyone that likes the Godfather could not like that movie. And i'm sorry, but The Godfather's (and it's sequel's) characters are just as violent and vile as any in Scorcese's films-- it's only the presentation that's different.

unexpectedvisitor
Rohan

Dec 7 2012, 5:02pm

Views: 383

and it doesn't hurt that the shot is gorgeous.

i love the color scheme/lighting they went with. feels like autumn's first frost!

unexpectedvisitor
Rohan

Dec 7 2012, 5:07pm

Views: 381

Marty!

yeah, Taxi Driver and Raging Bull (my fav Scorsese) are definite classics.

i get the love for Goodfellas but it's not as good as those two, in my opinion. or as good as Mean Streets, Mean Streets is also great.

sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea

Dec 8 2012, 2:40am

Views: 340

While were talking Scorsese...

It may not be very well known, but i really love After Hours, about a guy (Griffin Dunne) on a date from hell while "trapped" in Soho circa 1985. It's hilarious, has an amazing cast, and is brilliantly shot. I think it's just as good as his better known classics.

AinurOlorin
Half-elven

Dec 8 2012, 6:34am

Views: 355

I really loved this clip. The setting is beautiful, the dialogue and interaction wonderful

If there is anything to quibble over, three things come to mind. A) it is unfortunate that Elrond is being portrayed as something of a dong here, since he actually was completely on the same page with Gandalf about the likelihood of Sauron launching another great war.

B) The Watchful peace actually ended long before Gollum found The Ring. The Span of time is right, but the period is wrong, and I think it would have been much better to simply have had Elrond say that for 900 years (give or take a few decades) they had experienced a watchful peace, as it would have been a more impressive time frame and kept the actual beginning period of The Watchful Peace (also caused largely by Gandalf's "meddling"), as well as the actual years which encompassed The Watchful Peace

C) I am still waiting to see if these films will make any ties to The Balrog, the Bane of The Dwarven Father-King (albeit in one of his re-incarnations) and the original Third Age Woe of The Dwarves as a people, and also the second Darkest and most powerful Dark Power still known to reside in all Middle Earth at the time. In the books, The Council does not know for certain that The Terror in Moria is a Balrog, but in the films they are well aware of it, and it would seem more than passing strange indeed for them to be fretting over the potential foes Sauron might bring to bear and NOT give any thought to the most obvious dread ally, a former co-captain in the service of Melkor The Morgoth (as strange as ignoring his quiet but pivotal role in the final decisions of THe Dwarves immediately following the Azanulbizar battle).

unexpectedvisitor
Rohan

Dec 10 2012, 5:09pm

Views: 285

yeah, "After Hours"

is very atypical Scorsese but good stuff. a strong comedy.

Who's That Knockin' At My Door is also very good, an early template for his style and some of the subject matter of his most famous movies.