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One Reviews Thread to Rule them all ... (EMBARGO LIFTS: 9 PM PST)



BiggieSmaug
The Shire

Dec 3 2012, 7:27pm


Views: 13640
One Reviews Thread to Rule them all ... (EMBARGO LIFTS: 9 PM PST)

So here I'll be collecting all major reviews with scores upon their release at 9 PM Los Angeles time. Rather than a bunch of threads where we dig through them all looking for reviews, post them here and I'll update the main posting.

I'm thinking I'll divide reviews into sub categories: (American Press, International Press, Enthusiast/Industry Reviews). Right now all we have are enthusiast reactions. But I hope this comes across as a good idea to you all.

And it's a great distraction for me in between writing my academic journal!


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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea

Dec 3 2012, 7:29pm


Views: 5767
Wha time will be on Spain¿

I´m completely lost right now about in wich time it will be here, now it´s 20:20p.m. Any clue?

The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true!


DanielLB
Immortal


Dec 3 2012, 7:33pm


Views: 5771
You can check here

Link

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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea

Dec 3 2012, 7:34pm


Views: 5645
Sorry link doesn´t work for me

thanks anyway DanielWink

The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true!


shadowfaux
Bree

Dec 3 2012, 7:35pm


Views: 5720
Fixed link

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Hobbit+1+embargo+ends&iso=20121203T21&p1=137

Clickable


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea

Dec 3 2012, 7:42pm


Views: 5610
aaaaw thank you very buch!

I fear I will see the reviews after workTongue

The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true!


DanielLB
Immortal


Dec 3 2012, 7:42pm


Views: 5601
Fixed in above message too. :-) /

 

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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea

Dec 3 2012, 7:43pm


Views: 5600
You are all so nice!

thanks again DanielSmile

The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true!


DanielLB
Immortal


Dec 3 2012, 7:44pm


Views: 5660
Nice idea

You won't be able to put all the links in a single post, since there is a 10 minute editing window. Smile

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BiggieSmaug
The Shire

Dec 3 2012, 7:47pm


Views: 5659
Damn

Then maybe posters should post reviews with title's like "Guardian's Review" or something. Oh well, we'll figure it out. Better to have all the posts in one thread though rather than 100.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Dec 3 2012, 7:51pm


Views: 6091
Here's a supposed review from a NZ paper:

 

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almost an hour spent introducing the dwarf company at Bilbo Baggins' (Martin Freeman) house


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HOPE this is exaggeration. ShockedBlush

However, the good news is they really liked the film for the most part, giving it 4.5 stars out of 5:


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Given that omnipresent build-up (some might say hard sell), however, it will be hard for most to go to the film without some pre-conceptions, and it's likely many will travel to the first instalment curious about how Sir Peter Jackson will turn a 300-page novel into three films with a combined running length of nearly nine hours - this first instalment clocks in at a whopping 2 hours 45 minutes.

So is he pulling it off so far?

That's an unreserved yes from me. This film, although not without fault, is a remarkable achievement.

Shot at 48 frames per second, twice as fast as usual, The Hobbit is ground-breaking in the same way Avatar was.

Explaining 48fps is difficult. The action on screen (and there's plenty) does not look like it is moving twice as fast as normal, it is just somehow brighter, more clear cut and more fluid.

It is a visual feast. It is like watching high definition television for the first time, or a particularly lifelike video game.

Yes, it is disconcerting at first while your brain tries to figure out what is going on, and whether this looks sort of basic or really awesome, but once you just roll with it (after about 10 minutes for me), it is a whole new level of cinema watching.

The film is a giant leap in special effects, with what were sometimes, for me, rough CGI battles in the LOTR films, now smooth and real.

Academy you may as well pack the award for special effects in some bubble wrap and send it out to New Zealand now.

The Hobbit, as a children's book, is very light on character development and action sequences, so to turn a 300 page children's novel into a blockbuster perhaps required some padding.

I am sure fans of the book will enjoy seeing characters and action fleshed out a bit more, but almost an hour spent introducing the dwarf company at Bilbo Baggins' (Martin Freeman) house dragged - in the book it is two short chapters before the journey begins.

Once the adventure is under way, the viewer is back in the very familiar territory of wider Middle-earth.

And, my, how beautiful it is.

The scenery, particularly from the South Island, has to be one of the big winners in this film. It is absolutely stunning, made all the more impressive in 48fps.

One of the first major action scenes of the film is an extended chase across landscape near Middlemarch, and what a backdrop it makes - the drive to Hyde may never be the same.

Middlemarch, Wanaka, Fiordland and Twizel all feature extensively in the film.

One has to worry a little that so much CGI in some scenes might lead international viewers to question what scenery is real, but then again, the CGI eagles soaring over the Southern Alps and a thunderous mountain battle between rock giants are some of the movie's highlights.

The chamber of riddles beside the underground lake, where Bilbo Baggins meets Gollum (Andy Serkis) for the first time and gains possession of the ring, is an extraordinary sequence made even more so because it was the first scene shot in the film, and surely oscar-worthy for Serkis.

As good a piece of cinema as The Hobbit is, it is hard to see how the films are going to win new fans.

While the amazing acting, much of it from excellent New Zealand actors alongside the brilliance of Sir Ian McKellen (Gandalf the Grey) brings a film lighter in tone and funnier, it still has a similar feel to the LOTR films.

For LOTR fans it will be a very welcome return to Middle-earth, to non-fans they may still wonder what all the fuss is about.

Yes, Sir Peter, you have given us a reason to go back to the cinema.

I recommend seeing it the way the director intended (in 48fps) on the biggest screen possible, it cannot yet be replicated in your home cinema, no mater how good it is.

http://www.imdb.com/...20&p=1#207763420

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea

Dec 3 2012, 7:59pm


Views: 5763
I wouldnt be surprised (spoiler)

If it takes so long to arrive to Bilbo´s but I don´t think it will be the case, remembering some shoots from tv spots:

IT seens kikly we could see:

-Smaug attacking Erebor
-Thorin and family coming to Moria
-Azanulbizar
-More exile, as we could se here Dis and a small company of dwarves as Thorin seems to lead in a shot from one of the latest tv spots

This could be Bilbo talking about Thorin to Frodo, this would give the end of the story a real nice touch setting things clear that Thorin has a big impact on Bilbo, and Bilbo becoming some kind of Thorin´s biographer at the end... who knows

The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true!


Lindele
Gondor


Dec 3 2012, 8:06pm


Views: 5560
In general I could

care less what jaded journalists think of the film...but this review was very heart lifting.
Not that my heart needs to be any more lifted currently! 11 days!!!!


chazychris
The Shire


Dec 3 2012, 8:09pm


Views: 5627
Very positive

Sounds great -- and I expected the film to spend a while in Bag End prior to the journey -- think of how long it took to get out of the Shire in FotR. One thing I wonder about, since someone on Twitter said yesterday that they wanted to get to know Bilbo more early on in the film, what will the focus be on? Substantial dwarvish history, flashbacks? Very intriguing.

"At any rate he is under no enchantment but his own."
-Tolkien, The Hobbit (Gandalf describing Beorn)


Zherkezhi
Bree


Dec 3 2012, 8:10pm


Views: 5512
If you take the length of the soundtrack into account ...

I don't think that the first act will be one hour long. I guess it'll be about 30-40 minutes long (with "The Adventure Begins" not hitting the 30 minute mark and considering that not every scene will come with music).


tolktolk
Lorien

Dec 3 2012, 8:12pm


Views: 5643
Podcast

In case it gets lost further down the board, I think this radio podcast review, posted by utku, should be included among the reviews.

http://greggtonyandjim.blogspot.com/2012/12/3-dec-2012.html


Username4242
Bree

Dec 3 2012, 8:13pm


Views: 5706
Would it be possible to get a lock on this?

Seems that it would save quite a few unnecessary repostings.


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Dec 3 2012, 8:16pm


Views: 5568
It would be great to have all reviews within a single thread.

You won't be able to link to them all within a single post (given the editing time-out) but you can certainly create subthreads with your suggested categories, and post reviews within those subthreads as new messages.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Carne
Tol Eressea

Dec 3 2012, 8:19pm


Views: 5546
Maybe a sticky for all the reviews?

Even this one is going to get buried in a matter of minutes once the floodgates open.


Username4242
Bree

Dec 3 2012, 8:35pm


Views: 5482
Er, this should read *sticky*.

So basically, the opposite of what I said. ;-)


BiggieSmaug
The Shire

Dec 3 2012, 8:37pm


Views: 5317
Why lock it?

I don't get how locking it would save repostings ... that's the intended goal of having one giant thread....


dave_lf
Gondor

Dec 3 2012, 8:40pm


Views: 5403
Simple solution

Just be sure to keep making edits to the post every nine minutes! Wink


Username4242
Bree

Dec 3 2012, 9:01pm


Views: 5164
"Lock it in place." Meant 'sticky.' ;-) //

 


BiggieSmaug
The Shire

Dec 3 2012, 9:03pm


Views: 5112
Oh...

Got it! Sticky would be cool.


DanielLB
Immortal


Dec 3 2012, 9:07pm


Views: 5133
It's 10 minutes from the original posting

Not from the last edit. Wink

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dave_lf
Gondor

Dec 3 2012, 9:11pm


Views: 3230
Foiled again! //

 


Seaborn
The Shire


Dec 3 2012, 9:12pm


Views: 3274
Can we have another reviews thread that is spoiler free?

Instead of making half of the people abandon the forum because of the spoiler avalanche that's about to come, can we have a spoiler free thread? Are there good people around who can help by removing spoilers from reviews and posting them in a separate thread? Evil


Tim
Tol Eressea


Dec 3 2012, 9:34pm


Views: 3194
See? This is why...


In Reply To
You won't be able to put all the links in a single post, since there is a 10 minute editing window. Smile


We need a longer editing window. Wink

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Dec 3 2012, 9:37pm


Views: 3119
The problem with a sticky

is that the replies don't show until you open the post, and they can be overlooked because, to the casual eye, there isn't anything obvious that indicates new information. We may go down the sticky route (ew - that sounds bad) - we'll see how things play out.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Balrogslunch
The Shire

Dec 3 2012, 9:57pm


Views: 3710
A negative (but bias in my opinion) review of the hobbit

A review i found this morning (12 hours ago) ...which was only 2 paragraphs long but they seem to have added to it recently....He is factually incorrect about aspects of the book and well i will let you judge for yourself but to have a go at the film so much and give it 2.5 stars out of 5....i dont quite understand.....i would take it with a pince of salt tbh......

http://letterboxd.com/...-unexpected-journey/


BiggieSmaug
The Shire

Dec 3 2012, 10:05pm


Views: 3360
Terrible review.

I have studied reviews and their effects on people's outlooks, and I've found that reviews do not exist in a vacuum (this also explains my interest in reviews and excitement in tonight's review pour).

Well-written bad reviews often correspond with audience lack of enjoyment of films. Some movies encourage biases and others don't. The fantasy genre is one that encourages biases' and the 48 FPS encourages potential negativity.

Thus, the Hobbit's bad reviews run a risk of being very poorly written and explained, much more so than other movies considering its genre and the technological jump being made. Granted, The Hobbit will also has a lot of bias since many people, filmmakers, and critics want this movie to be good, more so than other movies considering the fact it represents the biggest change to cinema since the addition of sound.

And as someone who has dealt with the RED Camera and 48 FPS tests, let me assure you, this will be incredible different to any film you've seen before.

So, I would not put so much stake in the scores of reviews or even the tomatometer for such a film (while sometime this does have value and let's not pretend like we aren't all people and love this movie and want to see other people love this movie).

But I would look at the quality of a review's logic and diction. And this review falls glaringly short in both fields.

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(This post was edited by BiggieSmaug on Dec 3 2012, 10:08pm)


Cave Troll
Rivendell

Dec 3 2012, 10:07pm


Views: 3247
All the main characters survive AUJ!?

Spoilers please! Mad

Seriously though, that reads like a Youtube comment from a thirteen-year-old.

There are many negative reviews ahead worth worrying about but this isn't one of them.


Balrogslunch
The Shire

Dec 3 2012, 10:10pm


Views: 3271
your 100percent correct


In Reply To
I have studied reviews and their effects on people's outlooks, and I've found that reviews do not exist in a vacuum (this also explains my interest in reviews and excitement in tonight's review pour).

Well-written bad reviews often correspond with audience lack of enjoyment of films. Some movies encourage biases and others don't. The fantasy genre is one that encourages biases' and the 48 FPS encourages potential negativity.

Thus, the Hobbit's bad reviews run a risk of being very poorly written and explained, much more so than other movies considering its genre and the technological jump being made. Granted, The Hobbit will also has a lot of bias in the field of many people, filmmakers, and critics want this movie to be good, more so than other movies considering the fact it represents the biggest change to cinema since the addition of sound.

And as someone who has dealt with the RED Camera and 48 FPS tests, let me assure you, this will be incredible different to any film you've seen before.

So, I would not put so much stake in the scores of reviews or even the tomatometer for such a film (while sometime this does have value and let's not pretend like we aren't all people and love this movie and want to see other people love this movie).

But I would look at the quality of a review's logic and diction. And this review falls glaringly short in both fields. agree totally ....the review i posted from the letterboxed site was just as you are describing! It was even shorter orginally at only 2 paragraphs long he has doubled in size his original thoughts.....he never included the rant he made about the book in the initial posting of this review.....to be honest if you dont like the book i cant see how you will have an impartial opinion of the film...



Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Dec 3 2012, 10:11pm


Views: 3412
"What a great villain that was"...

This seems to be in reference to Azog (to venture a guess), as they're discussing Orcs toward the end of the review. It seems there's a reason PJ/WB have been so secretive with this character...he's going to be the Uber-Orc! Tongue

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


DanielLB
Immortal


Dec 3 2012, 10:11pm


Views: 3230
Whether it is right or wrong

They probably assume the majority of people have read the book. It's not much of a spoiler.

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Balrogslunch
The Shire

Dec 3 2012, 10:13pm


Views: 3150
sorry

sorry guys i am new to this forum today i just took as read about spoilers in a review sorry....and also apologise if there are double posts (not too straightforward posting for a newbie).

I also dont think you help putting the spoiler up on the actual headline but there you go ;)


(This post was edited by Balrogslunch on Dec 3 2012, 10:15pm)


BiggieSmaug
The Shire

Dec 3 2012, 10:15pm


Views: 3146
So...

is Azog alive???


Crunchable Birdses
Rohan


Dec 3 2012, 10:17pm


Views: 3493
Fortunately Adam Waldowski appears to be a complete nobody

so hopefully we won't be seeing that one on RottenTomatoes.

* crunch *


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Dec 3 2012, 10:22pm


Views: 3383
More or less...[Spoilers!!!]

A bit of merchandise-related info which leaked online a while back stated that he'd be undead and stalking our heroes throughout the film, something which has been corroborated by a few early sources. Also called "The Defiler" and perhaps "The Pale Orc", Richard Armitage has also said that Azog is Thorin's nemesis.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Cave Troll
Rivendell

Dec 3 2012, 10:22pm


Views: 2990
Sorry too...

I would edit it but I seem unable to. Frown

Personally, I don't think it's a spoiler at all which is why I think his incredulity is so silly. Smile

Perhaps he'd rather the filmmakers rewrite the book?


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Balrogslunch
The Shire

Dec 3 2012, 10:27pm


Views: 2986
:)

I think i am going stircrazy waiting for reviews/anything Hobbit related 4 hours last night trawling this boards and looking on twitter......already 2 tonight :S oh dear am i the only sad one out there ;)


BiggieSmaug
The Shire

Dec 3 2012, 10:27pm


Views: 3022
What??!?!??!?!

WHAT?

COME AGAIN!??

YOU NEED TO PANTS TO FLY?!?!?!?!

Damn.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Dec 3 2012, 10:32pm


Views: 3074
Actually, in retrospect perhaps we need inviso-text or something for browsers in flat mode...

That seemed like kind-of a major spoiler. Tongue

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


BiggieSmaug
The Shire

Dec 3 2012, 10:36pm


Views: 3063
So what!?

Azog is going to be haunting our group (I guess that's "Warg Scouts" and "Ancient Enemy" explanation).

Bolg is going to be chilling in Dol Goldur with Sauron? Necromancer is not going to be revealed in this movie either??

We sure we know who this guy is:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-atJfB4vzFB4/UIXjqIVhC_I/AAAAAAAAN7c/jJhvEJj8PLw/s1600/TheHobbitBolg.jpg


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Dec 3 2012, 10:44pm


Views: 3012
That is indeed Bolg/Conan Stevens...

He, Manu Bennett (Azog), and Benedict Cumberbatch (The Necromancer) are all credited as being in AUJ; but yes, Azog is apparently hunting the Dwarf Company, Bolg occupies Dol Guldur (as far as we know), and we will see the Necro is some form.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Dec 3 2012, 10:48pm)


chazychris
The Shire


Dec 3 2012, 10:44pm


Views: 2966
I love the podcast review

These guys know basically nothing about the Tolkien universe, and have no idea how absolutely pumped their bantering is getting the real fans. That's the magic of the Jackson Middle Earth -- you can have some people who can recite entire passages from the Silmarillion go in and be taken away and transported by these movies -- and then you can have regular guys off the street, like these radio fellows, go in and be blown away by it as a movie and their first interaction with the story.
Great perspective.

"At any rate he is under no enchantment but his own."
-Tolkien, The Hobbit (Gandalf describing Beorn)


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Dec 3 2012, 10:46pm


Views: 2904
Yes, their enthusiasm is promising!

Sounds like the magic of LotR, where I remember people I knew who had no experience with Tolkien being similarly swept up in the films and wanting more. They seemed pleasantly surprised to have enjoyed the film that much. Wink

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Dec 3 2012, 10:47pm)


BiggieSmaug
The Shire

Dec 3 2012, 10:46pm


Views: 2970
Average joes? NOPE!

Those radio fellows are famous. Opie and Anthony are both incredible radio hosts, and Jim Norton is very funny. All have really strong taste too, and their humor focuses mostly in absurdity of darkness and crude behavior.

They are good sources!


chazychris
The Shire


Dec 3 2012, 10:52pm


Views: 2771
Yes

Yes -- I've heard Opie and Anthony before, specifically when they have had Louis C.K. on and the latter asked Donald Rumsfeld if he was a lizard (one of the funniest things I've ever heard).

I just meant it's super exciting to hear the great enthusiasm coming from even casual fans of Middle Earth. It's a delicate line to toe -- between mass appeal and staying true to a work of depth and equally satisfying those interested in the depth of the world. PJ is one of the few who can do it so well.

"At any rate he is under no enchantment but his own."
-Tolkien, The Hobbit (Gandalf describing Beorn)


tolktolk
Lorien

Dec 3 2012, 10:56pm


Views: 2949
New review on Letterboxd

Four and a half stars

http://letterboxd.com/...-unexpected-journey/


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Dec 3 2012, 10:59pm


Views: 3304
Now that's more like it.

If the whole idea of this being a more friendly, adventure story becomes lost on reviewers, disappointment will set in when they realize it's not LotR, and was never supposed to be. Despite the foreshadowing with the White Council.

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien


chazychris
The Shire


Dec 3 2012, 11:03pm


Views: 3294
"A dragon the ultimate villain in place of Sauron"

This line makes me ponder, again, how the expanded White Council / Necromancer storyline will be balanced with the original, main narrative. Obviously we don't want the threat of the Necromancer and flushing out Dol Guldur to overshadow Bilbo's and the dwarves' storyline and Smaug as the villain of the trilogy. It will be interesting to see how that balance plays out, but that won't even come into play until the second film...

"At any rate he is under no enchantment but his own."
-Tolkien, The Hobbit (Gandalf describing Beorn)

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Balrogslunch
The Shire

Dec 3 2012, 11:04pm


Views: 3382
thanks not much detail again really though from that site

Thanks for this review and thanks to the earlier poster for the blogspot one really enjoyed that.....

I think this movie is probably the hardest of the three to implement ....you have to introduce all the characters and (warning possible spoiler)



follow a similar path to previous first film....but the reviews its getting (especially the audio review) it seems it CAN be accepted by non fans as well as fans of Lord of the Rings so fingers crossed!!


(This post was edited by Balrogslunch on Dec 3 2012, 11:06pm)


Dogsofwar
The Shire

Dec 3 2012, 11:17pm


Views: 3445
Long time lurker, first time poster :)

The Hobbit Movieþ@The_HobbitMovie
Reviews coming in for The Hobbit are already better than expectations!

This was tweeted about 45 minutes ago, wonder which ones they are speaking of...


Balrogslunch
The Shire

Dec 3 2012, 11:25pm


Views: 3224
have they removed the hobbit talk out of their podcast( on youtube anyway)

not sure if they have edited away this hobbit discussion (on youtube anyway) maybe because its still in embargo? or i have just gone crazy and cant find it now .....


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Dec 3 2012, 11:49pm


Views: 3159
No doubt there will be some mediocre reviews. Every movie has them.

Devin Faraci, I'm sure is one that will post a 'meh' review.

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2012, 12:15am


Views: 3008
That man

said nothing about the acting, except for martin and andy. How can a film that has mere symbols for characters be 4.5 stars??Crazy


Glóin the Dark
Rivendell

Dec 4 2012, 12:20am


Views: 3008
It could be like...

...2001: A Space Odyssey.

"Just what do you think you are doing, Bard? Look Bard, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.

Daisy, Daisy..."


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2012, 12:35am


Views: 2900
[laugh]

Laugh


Dogsofwar
The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 2:23am


Views: 2920
Another Review posted early, also luke warm.

http://blogs.indiewire.com/...bbit-first-reactions


Carne
Tol Eressea

Dec 4 2012, 2:26am


Views: 2803
Brian Duffield loved the movie, yet they picked those two tweets

Crazy


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Wordofmask
Lorien

Dec 4 2012, 2:31am


Views: 2844
what the hell is that

"critics found the film padded, overlong and shockingly lacking in women."



from the book there is no woman at all.


Elessar
Valinor


Dec 4 2012, 2:37am


Views: 2699
Seriously?

I don't know how one could take that review seriously. Seems like someone tossed something together that was at best a lame attempt to sound professional and take shots at the movie.



SweetClover
Registered User

Dec 4 2012, 2:41am


Views: 2628
Really?

Lacking in women?
What do they want them to do? Make up a half-dozen new characters just because they need more females?

Like halfway through the movie I'm going to go "Well, this would have been really good, but there's only been one girl."


Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2012, 2:41am


Views: 2714
Obviously there's going to be negative reviews, but...

...an article like this is so obviously agenda driven. I look forward to reading individual reviews when the embargo expires - but articles like this are a waste of time. The writer seems to knock the film for being lighter fare than LotR and having a lack of female presence. Both of which are inherent to the source material. Then there's a comment about how L.A. critics though the film was overlong and stuffed - when we haven't actually heard from the critics yet (maybe she means the few she's personally spoken to). Then two of the tweets supplied to support this narrative are actually taken out of context from someone who enjoyed the film.

"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence


(This post was edited by Aragorn the Elfstone on Dec 4 2012, 2:42am)


chazychris
The Shire


Dec 4 2012, 2:41am


Views: 2697
"Gruesome characters"

The writer nods to Guillermo for gruesome character design. I'm sure some of his influence can be seen, but does the writer of this article have any awareness of Jackson's first four films? Nasty looking creations on screen are Jackson's forte.

"At any rate he is under no enchantment but his own."
-Tolkien, The Hobbit (Gandalf describing Beorn)


tolktolk
Lorien

Dec 4 2012, 2:45am


Views: 2777
Twitter reactions from Toronto screening

https://twitter.com/alicanteinidris

So yeah #TheHobbit was amazing! Not exactly what I expected, but still amazing and visually STUNNING! You've done it again, Peter Jackson.

https://twitter.com/Katherine_Zion

The Hobbit is spectacular! Absolute genius, everything about it. I must get the soundtrack!

A screening in LA is just beginning, so more reactions to come


Tim
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2012, 2:48am


Views: 2635
These must be examples of


In Reply To
https://twitter.com/alicanteinidris

So yeah #TheHobbit was amazing! Not exactly what I expected, but still amazing and visually STUNNING! You've done it again, Peter Jackson.

https://twitter.com/Katherine_Zion

The Hobbit is spectacular! Absolute genius, everything about it. I must get the soundtrack!

A screening in LA is just beginning, so more reactions to come


all those negative tweets the previous reviewer mentioned Wink

Most of what I've seen here as far as tweets go has been positive. We'll see if that trend continues.

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.


nobofthepony
Lorien


Dec 4 2012, 2:48am


Views: 2597
Really? That's all the talent you need to see a movie like this two weeks early?

"There is a movie. Some people don't like certain things about it. It isn't Lord Of The Rings. But it is playing to holiday crowds (so was Lord of the Rings). The effects are good. Many monsters are seen. The actors act. Look, here are some tweets I saw on Twitter. The end."


(This post was edited by nobofthepony on Dec 4 2012, 2:53am)


lyndomiel
Rivendell

Dec 4 2012, 2:49am


Views: 2700
It was pure absurdity

There are many great films, especially war and adventure stories, without women. And shouldn't critics know something about the source material? Geez.


Kaymanklynman
The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 2:59am


Views: 2553
i agree with you.

  I think we must disregard all reviews that dont show us deep knowledge of tolkien's work.


Greetings from Brazil , I am a new member , but a long time spy.

please ,excuse for my bad english


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tolktolk
Lorien

Dec 4 2012, 3:06am


Views: 2573
More from Toronto

https://twitter.com/uys999

So... You ready to hear me rave about #TheHobbit for the next 2 weeks? Cause it is awesome-fabulous-fantastic! #NewWord

https://twitter.com/Subbyrocks11

OMG, #thehobbit is Brilliant. #48fps is great as well, not dizzy at all.


lyndomiel
Rivendell

Dec 4 2012, 3:08am


Views: 2445
Welcome to the fold Kaymanklyman

 


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Dec 4 2012, 3:09am


Views: 2457
Lawrence of Arabia=zero women. One of the greatest epic films of all time. //

 

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien


Kaymanklynman
The Shire


Dec 4 2012, 3:09am


Views: 2434
Thanks

 


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Dec 4 2012, 3:13am


Views: 2817
I remember a FOTR review that criticised the Aragorn/Arwen love story

as another example of Hollywood's fascination with older man/hot younger women romance. The laughter on TORN was long and loud. Sly

Yes, reviewers with a single agenda can be unintentionally hilarious.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


Ataahua's stories


Joe20
Lorien


Dec 4 2012, 3:15am


Views: 2881
Yep

Looks as though Brian Duffield has seen this 'review'. He's not to happy with it.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2012, 3:16am


Views: 2790
Are you cherry-picking these tolktolk?

Or is the stuff you're running into just mostly positive?

I'm just curious, not accusing you of anything, appreciating the links. Smile

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.


tolktolk
Lorien

Dec 4 2012, 3:19am


Views: 2785
Two more...

They didn't like the high frame rate, but did like the film.

https://twitter.com/Ahhlekz

Still iffy about the high framerate, it was about halfway through the film before my brain adjusted.

Film was amazing nonetheless. It was great seeing some of the LOTR cast reprise their roles, especially Andy Serkis as Gollum!

https://twitter.com/ThatSashaJames

Do not see THE HOBBIT in 48fps 3D. It makes the film look cheaper than a BBC soap opera.

48fps 3D aside, THE HOBBIT was an enjoyable bit of fun, the score had me feeling feelings, and Martin Freeman was the perfect hobbit.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2012, 3:20am


Views: 2784
Indeed


In Reply To
Looks as though Brian Duffield has seen this 'review'. He's not to happy with it.


In the comments he (Brian Duffield) says "I had a lot more positive things to say too, as well as commenting how only THE HOBBIT has any women in creative roles of this year's blockbuster crop."

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2012, 3:23am


Views: 2798
Sasha's comments have me intrigued

Now I MUST see it in 48fps. Sheesh, never tell me to not do something... Sly

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2012, 3:24am


Views: 2690
Bem vindo amigo

Make sure to see TH in english, not with carioca accents eh Wink


tolktolk
Lorien

Dec 4 2012, 3:27am


Views: 2734
Hi Tim

No cherry-picking at all, just looking at #thehobbit twitter feed and picking up reactions from people who have just seen the film.


Kaymanklynman
The Shire


Dec 4 2012, 3:35am


Views: 2633
valeu pelo aviso.

como você sabe que eu sou carioca?

how do you know that i'm from Rio de Janeiro?


Kaymanklynman
The Shire


Dec 4 2012, 3:40am


Views: 2670
i would never commit this kind of heresy.


In Reply To
Make sure to see TH in english, not with carioca accents eh Wink



Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Dec 4 2012, 3:51am


Views: 2753
I'm starting to worry that this will be one of those movies that fans love...

...but critics don't appreciate. Whether it's due to a lack of knowledge about the book, or overhype, or expecting it to be just like LotR.

Unsure

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien


chazychris
The Shire


Dec 4 2012, 3:59am


Views: 2657
Women

Are these reviewers criticizing about lack of women remembering that the screenplay was worked on by two women? And that literally the only female alluded to in the book was Bilbo's mother? Critics can say good or bad things -- it won't affect my journey.

"At any rate he is under no enchantment but his own."
-Tolkien, The Hobbit (Gandalf describing Beorn)


tolktolk
Lorien

Dec 4 2012, 4:02am


Views: 2578
These advance screenings

aren't just for fans - most of the people attending them work in the film industry in some capacity or another.

It may just be the nature of Twitter that it's the people who enjoyed the film most who want to tweet about it and share their reactions, but I simply haven't seen any completely negative tweets.

Here's one more reaction from Toronto:

https://twitter.com/ShaneCameBack

The Hobbit was fantastic! Completely unlike the LOTR trilogy in the best way. Framerate takes getting used to, the clarity is unreal.


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2012, 4:12am


Views: 2458
Um

passarinho do mundo editorial contou me Wink

Well, i am really happy to hear you say so. Glad to know you are not a dubber traitor TongueWink

I would never commit such heresy neither. Even if i didnt understand a word of english.

Smile


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Kaymanklynman
The Shire


Dec 4 2012, 4:20am


Views: 2396
was this bird a descendant of carc the old raven? i will attend the premiere on Sao Luis cinema in Catete.

 


(This post was edited by Kaymanklynman on Dec 4 2012, 4:22am)


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2012, 4:25am


Views: 2372
OH Catete

theres a picture painting from the 18th century with a view from there to the Pão de Açucar, which i really like.

Hope you can try the 48 fps 3D if you can!

No, bird friend of radagast Smile


Kaymanklynman
The Shire


Dec 4 2012, 4:26am


Views: 2365
2:24 am here.

i must stay awake ..... i must stay.....i must......i..........


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2012, 4:29am


Views: 2461
Haha

Hold on there.

The crazy sacrifices we do for TH, eh?

Only half an hour now...

Lets stay awake by imagining Elrond doing a dance number : Oh traaaa la la la lyyyy, down heeeree in the vaalleeeeyy , hahaaaaa...


(This post was edited by Lusitano on Dec 4 2012, 4:30am)


Undermäki
The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 4:35am


Views: 2437
I think this is a new review...

The Press

Hopefully that link works.


Kaymanklynman
The Shire


Dec 4 2012, 4:40am


Views: 2313
I am listening and ......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzoYhRhUsfA


...Dreaming that in a not distant future the tolkien-estate and peter jackson becomes friends.


(This post was edited by Kaymanklynman on Dec 4 2012, 4:43am)


entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Dec 4 2012, 4:40am


Views: 2402
We can't merge threads

and if history teaches us anything, it will be impossible to keep up. If you really want to avoid spoilers, the Hobbit board is not the best place until you see the movie.


Wordofmask
Lorien

Dec 4 2012, 4:51am


Views: 2231
just about 10 minutes left!

my heart starting cry out.


redgiraffe
Rohan

Dec 4 2012, 4:56am


Views: 2264
til what?

what are we waiting for now?!

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


Wordofmask
Lorien

Dec 4 2012, 4:58am


Views: 2145
the embargo will lifted in about 3 minute

then we must be ready for a tons of reviews. (I hope so)


Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Dec 4 2012, 4:58am


Views: 2152
Welcome, DogsofWar!

Great timing to 'de-lurk!' Now you can join in all the craziness 'in person.'

Enjoy! Smile


Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.



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"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase





Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Dec 4 2012, 4:59am


Views: 4481
T-2 minutes until elation, or crushing disappointment. //

 

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien


BiggieSmaug
The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 4:59am


Views: 4518
HERE WE GOOOOOOO

!!!


Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2012, 5:00am


Views: 4499
hmmm interesting review... not very comfortable with the constant comparisons with Lucas and SW tbh...

Also, not positive about good ol' Sir Chris Lee Unsure:

Quote
There's the marrying old characters with new, de-aging certain players and setting events in motion, which unfortunately leads to some particularly clunky, foreboding scenes involving Christopher Lee playing the Middle Earth equivalent of Star Wars' Chancellor Palpatine.


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Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2012, 5:03am


Views: 4428
Things were so much simpler 11 years ago...

As naive as it may have been, I never had any doubt that Fellowship of the Ring would live up to my ridiculously high expectations. I was as excited as anyone possibly could be, and I walked into that theater on cloud nine and walked out the same way. The opinion of the critics never even factored into it.

If only I could have that same mentality now. Cool I think I will refrain from reading the negative ones though. I want to walk in as untainted by negativity as I did 11 years ago.

"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence


shadowfaux
Bree

Dec 4 2012, 5:03am


Views: 4713
NZ Herald Review

Link


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2012, 5:07am


Views: 4468
But more positive concerning a certain creepy thing:


Quote
The dwarves' quest to reclaim their homeland has been given an extra edge with the addition of the truly nightmare-inducing Azog (Manu Bennett), whose appearance threatens to turn the film into a cross between 300 (he bears more than a passing resemblance to Xerxes) and The Princess Bride (a dwarf with a particularly potent and legitimate grudge Thorrin as a kind of Inigo Montoya).


My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


shadowfaux
Bree

Dec 4 2012, 5:07am


Views: 4473
Two More!

TVNZ

Stuff.co.nz


easterlingchief1
Rivendell


Dec 4 2012, 5:07am


Views: 4640
First Rotten Tomatoes review is up!

And it's very positive!

http://www.flicks.co.nz/news/review-the-hobbit-an-unexpected-journey/


Wordofmask
Lorien

Dec 4 2012, 5:08am


Views: 4424
alrigh

ok first score from NZ herald 4.5/5

we should make the first post of this thread as collecting score post. that is good to all of us.


shadowfaux
Bree

Dec 4 2012, 5:10am


Views: 4503
... and More!

indiewire.com
collider.com


Dogsofwar
The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 5:11am


Views: 4362
HitFix gives it a "B"

http://www.hitfix.com/...n-unexpected-journey


shadowfaux
Bree

Dec 4 2012, 5:12am


Views: 4376
Huffington Post reviews 48fps

48 FPS review


shadowfaux
Bree

Dec 4 2012, 5:16am


Views: 4327
Cinamablend, Movieline,

Cinamablend

movieline 'The Hobbit' 3-D Early Review: Back Again, But Not Quite There


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2012, 5:18am


Views: 4239
Actually several of these first reviews have singled out

Azog as a plus for the film. Shocked

And sounds as if they enjoyed the film itself as well! Smile

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Dec 4 2012, 5:19am


Views: 4614
Review from Garfeimeo from TORn

TheOneRing.net staffer Garfeimao and long-time TORn friend Nancy Steinman were able to secure tickets to the World Premiere of The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey. Here are Garfeimao's largely spoiler-free thoughts on what she saw.
I am not here to review the technology, this is just going to be a short and sweet commentary on the movie. Martin Freeman is a joy to watch inhabit the role of Bilbo Baggins: you feel everything he feels, and that is all those emotions you read about in the book. Fear, curiosity, courage, homesickness and that sense that he has bitten off more than he can chew.
There are whole chunks of dialogue lifted directly from the book, you will recognize it throughout the film, I had to restrain myself from cheering during at least one of these lines, won't say which one just yet.
Gandalf is Gandalf, the slightly grumpy, sometimes playful Gandalf the Grey we met 11 years ago is back.
And Richard Armitage as Thorin and Ken Stott as Balin, in particular, shine in their respective roles. You will feel you are in the presence of a King without a Throne. But the kudos really have to go to Andy Serkis as Gollum and Martin's Bilbo.
The Riddles in the Dark will have you on the edge of you seat, even though you know exactly what happens. It is masterfully delivered, you may even cry (yes, one of many spots I teared up at).To be honest, yes there are other bits that are a bit confusing and may feel misplaced, but I will want to watch it a second time before I pass final judgement on this film. I loved the ending, it is rather awesome


Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.



"Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower

"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase





Metal Slug
Rivendell

Dec 4 2012, 5:20am


Views: 4164
resurection

So is Azog, who was killed in the Goblin/ Dwarf wars resurrected?


Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Dec 4 2012, 5:21am


Views: 4871
Review from MrCere from TORn

At the first public showing of a movie picture depicting a train coming toward the viewers, people scattered in alarm trying to get out of the way. Or so the story goes. Some will do the same with director Peter Jackson’s new film The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey.
The irony is that The Hobbit's titular character, Bilbo Baggins, doesn’t like to take risks in a film that revels in them.
It's visionary stuff, and Jackson is alone on the frontier with only James Cameron visible on the horizon. The first installment of The Hobbit trilogy is new cinema.
Instead of playing safe and comfortable in lower-risk financial zones, Jackson has pushed the boundaries with 3D, with 48 frames of film per second -– or the digital equivalent -- flashing past viewers' eyes instead of the traditional 24fps. It is definitely different.
The filter of the traditional look of cinema, what we are used to seeing in the dark, is gone. Forever? Consumers will ultimately decide but studios continue to churn out films in 3D despite anything but universal acclaim.
Here, Jackson has gone to such lengths to make the fantastic look real that for many the film will look unreal -– but only if viewers choose to see it in the director’s preferred way. Of the approximately 24,000 theaters that will display The Hobbit: AUJ, around 1,000 will have the technology to display it as it was shot -- HFR 3D. But, for those 1,000, hang onto your arm rests, cinema has just leapt forward.
Bilbo Baggins (masterfully portrayed by Martin Freeman in a performance that will be lost amidst the eye-popping action sequences), as many readers will know, relishes his comfortable life in the cinematically familiar Bag End. He is interrupted by a gaggle of dwarves and a meddlesome wizard who for reasons he cannot himself explain, thinks Bilbo needs to travel with the dwarves.
All of this is familiar ground for readers of Tolkien's original tale. And, as expected, the screenwriters (Fran Walsh, Phillipa Boyens, Guillermo del Toro and Peter Jackson) make great effort to up the stakes and ramp-up the tension.
People who haven’t been paying attention to the promotional lead-in campaign may be surprised to find that joining Freeman and Ian McKellen's Gandalf as lead characters in the film is Richard Armitage as Thorin Oakenshield. It's a role likely to launch Armitage, blessed with an already-fervent fanbase, masculine good looks, and ample ability, into the stratosphere. The character is deeply scarred and tragic. Thorin gives the children’s tale a Shakespearean disaster angle and the film makes the most of it in in ways that may not surprise viewers but will nevertheless delight them.
Andy Serkis returns to work his performance-capture magic as Gollum, and Jackson and his actors reach the peak of performance and technical ... well ... wizardry in a scene that is the film’s best. Despite being dialog-heavy, it is cinematic magic.
So Bilbo, content to play it safe in a movie that most definitely isn’t, is joined by all these dwarves who despite excellent design and characterization, just don’t have enough room in the movie. Considering Jackson’s Middle-earth legacy, many viewers will immediately begin pondering extended editions and hope for more from these characters.
Then -– especially if they see it in 48 fps -– they'll want to schedule another viewing. This writer’s initial reaction to the film was wanting to see it again immediately. As of this writing, that has been impossible. Fans, and those who care about film as an art form (and perhaps as a science) will want to view The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey in both its incredibly clear new format and as a traditional film.
Others, the Bilbo Baggins of the world, are perhaps better advised to simply see the film as they saw The Lord of the Rings. They will be thrilled with adventure and the interplay of now-familiar movie characters playing again inside the incredible landscapes of Middle-earth. Peering deeper into dwarven culture will come with a (pun-intended) deep satisfaction and they will be thrilled, despite some dark days for fans, back in a delightful rendition of Jackson's Middle-earth..
It goes without saying that not everybody will like everything. Setting aside technology for a moment, sections of the film that delight some will frustrate others.
In one place Gandalf reuses a familiar story-telling device. For some that will hearken back to the familiar. For others it will seem like a rehash. There are a handful of such moments. The 100% CGI orc Azog may feel cartoon despite (or because of) his technical perfection; he is no Gollum. But putting aside the quibbles, Jackson has delivered a tightly paced action flick that is rollicking fun. He has captured again the magic of Tolkien's world with his own stylistic, cinematic stamp.
Radagast the Brown is a delight and injects some of the fringe legends of Tolkien's own hand and some of the lighter tone of the source material into the sometimes dangerously heavy Middle-earth. There is the expanded Goblin Town with its madcap action - more jolly than peilous - which takes license with underground kingdoms. But amidst all this fun we are tossed a dozen decapitations as well creating a puzzle for some parents and sensitive younger viewers. Cate Blanchette casts her graceful spell along with the most welcome Christopher Lee and appropriate the slightly less stressed Elrond from Hugo Weaving, iconic in his own right.
The dead-on casting with exemplary performances from the leads as well as those in small roles make the fantasy feel real more than any technician can -– and the technicians on this film are world-class here. And yes, fantasy films can have exemplary performances and actors selling the fantastic as the everyday, have achieved high-craft in their art. Technically masterful, this adaptation of a classic children’s tale is grand and glorious cinema that is indeed lighter than its Rings cousin but also with nasty battle elements.
What's more, any discussion about the need for three films or the making the decision to do so based on anything but storytelling merits couldn’t be more incinerated if Smaug himself engulfed the conversation in dragon’s fire. The case for three films is settled.
But being first is difficult. Like Ebay selling its first item in 1995 (a laser pointer if you must know) new things can take a while to catch on. The lion's share of reviews are going to address the step forward in display technology (including this one!) but the story will sink or swim because of the characters, their situations and the craft with which they are brought to life.
Viewers need to evaluate: Are they Bilbos? Do they want safe, familiar cinema or do they want to go on an adventure at the theater? The comparison isn't mine originally but I like best the thought that somebody has taken the window out and now we are not looking through the filter of film but looking at the real world. It will take some adjusting.
Will you like it? Well, do you embrace change? Can your entertainment tastes evolve? This is like nothing you have ever seen and it will jar not just your eyes but your brain. The dragon slayers will revel in the new and the adventure. Not every note will ring true for every viewer but whatever else, this movie is about fun and adventure.
And (something that will obviously delight the studio) the real answer to this riddle is that this is a film that cries out to be seen in both formats and compared by the viewer. It is entertaining entertainment but it is also a landmark of technology and a test of crowd behavior. I agree with Jackson and Cameron; this is the future.
Whatever the public and critics conclude, Jackson and his team must be admired for operating on wires high above the crowd with no net or safety line with fearlessness and passion. As for me, I will take that at my cinema experience every time over another action film content to play it safe.
NOTE: Larry D. Curtis spent five weeks on the set during film of The Hobbit and freely acknowledges his opinion of this film is compromised. Further, he is dying to see the film again to have a more informed opinion.


Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.



"Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower

"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase





shadowfaux
Bree

Dec 4 2012, 5:21am


Views: 4643
5 more

screencrave.com

thewrap.com reviews 48fps

Sydney Morning Herald: Hobbit adaptation a dark, spectacular adventure

heraldsun.com

‘The Hobbit’: Prequel Offers Expected — and Excessive — Thrills in an Overstuffed First Film


shadowfaux
Bree

Dec 4 2012, 5:34am


Views: 4217
More, more, more! comingsoon, screencrush, slashfilm,

screencrush.com - 5/10???
comingsoon.net 6/10

www.odt.co.nz mostly positive

slashfilm - HFR 3D Review: Peter Jackson’s Latest Is Rousing Yet Repetitive


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Dec 4 2012, 5:35am


Views: 4221
I might have to wipe my tears of sadness and retire for the night...with my bottle of Jack. //

 

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien


(This post was edited by Maiarmike on Dec 4 2012, 5:40am)


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Dec 4 2012, 5:36am


Views: 4128
"Martin Freeman's Bilbo is clearly the best screen embodiment of a hobbit yet."

Crikey, that's a plaudit and a half.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


Ataahua's stories


shadowfaux
Bree

Dec 4 2012, 5:38am


Views: 4210
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey' Does What the 'Star Wars' Prequels Failed to Do

The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey' Does What the 'Star Wars' Prequels Failed to Do


chazychris
The Shire


Dec 4 2012, 5:38am


Views: 4073
Andy Serkis

One thing that every review thus far has in common is unreserved praise for Andy Serkis as gollum. What a treat to look forward to.

"At any rate he is under no enchantment but his own."
-Tolkien, The Hobbit (Gandalf describing Beorn)


Wordofmask
Lorien

Dec 4 2012, 5:38am


Views: 4126
not as bad as I thought

it's still be good anyway.


shadowfaux
Bree

Dec 4 2012, 5:40am


Views: 4043
Yahoo News! We’ve seen it, and it’s a welcome return to Middle-earthl

‘The Hobbit’ First Look: We’ve seen it, and it’s a welcome return to Middle-earthl


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2012, 5:41am


Views: 2885
Hmmmmmm....

Raddy's sled is chased by an "Orc army", Raddy discovers the Necro may be Sauron, most of the Dwarves supposedly "all blend together", and still can't figure out whether the Bilbo/Frodo bookend or Erebor prologue come first (or run concurrently).

It seems like AUJ will imperfect but still dang good, based on these first reviews. That's a relief.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


shadowfaux
Bree

Dec 4 2012, 5:42am


Views: 2987
Trolls, Thorin pics?

These look new to me!

review


entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Dec 4 2012, 5:42am


Views: 2968
Wow - I had very low expectations

of FOTR. Having lived through the previous attempts to film LOTR, I was fully expecting disaster.

For The Hobbit, I have almost no stress, and it's my favorite book. I know that everyone involved in the films are committed to making Tolkien's story come alive, so I know I will love it.


Dogsofwar
The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 5:54am


Views: 2869
IGN really liked it

http://www.ign.com/...ected-journey-review


shadowfaux
Bree

Dec 4 2012, 5:56am


Views: 2801
www.screendaily.com - 'his battle scenes have a mythic grandeur'

screendaily.com review:

Jackson’s dynamic dramatic sense is such that his battle scenes have a mythic grandeur to them, successful achieving a storybook sweep that has little concern for realism.



shadowfaux
Bree

Dec 4 2012, 6:01am


Views: 2854
Review: 'The Hobbit' At 48 FPS: A Frame Rate Fiasco?

http://movieline.com/2012/12/04/hobbit-48-fps-frame-rate-fiasco-review-peter-jackson/


Metal Slug
Rivendell

Dec 4 2012, 6:03am


Views: 2670
The large strectch b/w premier and public showing is wrong

How will I ever make it until the 14th? I'll know the entire story and dialogue by then. Crazy


shadowfaux
Bree

Dec 4 2012, 6:05am


Views: 2798
The Hobbit’: Prequel Offers Expected — and Excessive — Thrills in an Overstuffed First Film

More on the negative side


Wordofmask
Lorien

Dec 4 2012, 6:11am


Views: 2635
just read a conclusion passage

Then we will safe from spoied.


chazychris
The Shire


Dec 4 2012, 6:14am


Views: 2668
No more reviews for me

I just read a detail I would have preferred not having spoiled . . . I'm out of here! See you all in 10 days! (If I have the willpower haha)

"At any rate he is under no enchantment but his own."
-Tolkien, The Hobbit (Gandalf describing Beorn)


aifeme
Rivendell


Dec 4 2012, 6:18am


Views: 2756
So, Azog is

100% CGI. Don't think it's good news.


redgiraffe
Rohan

Dec 4 2012, 6:29am


Views: 2437
Azog

I saw that as well. It's possible he meant the Great Goblin because we all know he is CGI.

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


duats
Grey Havens

Dec 4 2012, 6:29am


Views: 2533
I've seen a couple of other reviews

Note that Azog is completely CGI.


aifeme
Rivendell


Dec 4 2012, 6:30am


Views: 2472
I hope so!

Laugh


shadowfaux
Bree

Dec 4 2012, 6:40am


Views: 2465
Review Snippet Compilation

Relatively spoiler-free, it says:

See What the Critics Think

A similar synopsis from Eonline:
The Hobbit Early Reviews Are In...and They're Mixed!


(This post was edited by shadowfaux on Dec 4 2012, 6:43am)


HiddenSpring
Lorien

Dec 4 2012, 6:42am


Views: 2543
I'm pleased so far

Basically the negatives were all to be expected. It was inevitable that the film would feel bloated after the 3-film decision, and the likely CGI excesses hardly come as a surprise after all we've seen. But there's also a lot of great stuff being written, such as Jackson being able to evoke a child's imagination and the film having a mythic splendor to it. It seems that the movie works particularly well when it's about storytelling. So, yes... so far, so good!


HiddenSpring
Lorien

Dec 4 2012, 6:44am


Views: 2475
Oh, and Christopher Lee is getting some great reviews!

Really, really looking forward to his scenes!


duats
Grey Havens

Dec 4 2012, 6:49am


Views: 2544
AICN review

Not so positive:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59869


(This post was edited by duats on Dec 4 2012, 6:49am)


Danielos
Rohan

Dec 4 2012, 7:24am


Views: 2204
Concerned

I think the reviews are suprisingly lukewarm and negative. I think we might be in for a little disappointment.


Elutherian
Rohan


Dec 4 2012, 7:26am


Views: 2129
I don't think I could take it....

Literally.

I don't think it would be possible for me to ever get excited about seeing a film again if this is truly as bad as critics are saying.

The Grey Pilgrim, they once called me. Three hundred lives of men I walked this earth, and now I have no time...


Cave Troll
Rivendell

Dec 4 2012, 7:27am


Views: 2079
Pretty much where I stand...

With all the baggage, bloat and Phantom Menace connections being drawn, all the "good but not great" reviews are fine by me.


Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2012, 7:32am


Views: 2042
I think you're exaggerating.

Some are less than impressed. But I haven't read any reviews that are saying the film is outright bad. This was always a possibility. Following up LotR meant high expectations. Lots of reviews are talking about the lighter tone as if it's a negative - missing the point that the book itself is lighter.

There's also a lot of negativity surrounding the 48fps. That's certainly feeding a lot of these negative reactions.

"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence


Wordofmask
Lorien

Dec 4 2012, 7:32am


Views: 2057
Do you think PJ can get back in DOS?

I know he has shootting 3 films in a row. If the first is not as good as it shoule be then the next would take the risk.

but there is one year b4 DOS arrive maybe he can do a better thing in time.


Elutherian
Rohan


Dec 4 2012, 7:45am


Views: 2002
Looking at RT right now...

...It's got a 75%, average rating of 6.6/10, not one single glowing review. Just a handful of lukewarms and straight up negatives.

My worst fears are coming true.

The Grey Pilgrim, they once called me. Three hundred lives of men I walked this earth, and now I have no time...


Dogsofwar
The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 7:46am


Views: 2176
80% so far on rottentomatoes.com

8/10 being positive so far. I have a feeling this will end somewhere between 65-70% once all is said and done. All of the reviews seem to say if you are a Tolkien junkie then you will love it, so Im thinking that will still bode well for us. Twitter reponse from fans who have seen it at screenings has also been extremely positive. Cant wait to be my own judge!


Welsh hero
Gondor


Dec 4 2012, 7:46am


Views: 2395
Rotten Tomatoes Score is

80

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_an_unexpected_journey/

-Irfon

Twitter: @IrfonPennant
middle earth timeline FB: https://www.facebook.com/MiddleEarth1


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Dec 4 2012, 7:47am


Views: 2320
There are a lot of divisive things about The Hobbit.

Beginning with the tone of the book, which is not to everyone's taste. There is a pretty large number of fans who prefer LOTR to The Hobbit, and it's not too surprising that we'd see that split among reviewers as well. This was always a danger with filming this lighter, simpler story after LOTR; anyone expecting the same weight and drama may feel a little less drawn in. But I'm pleased with the number of people who seem to have forgiven this and enjoyed the fun and action of it all.

And the HFR reviews seem to be pretty well divided, as are opinions of 3D in general, for that matter. It seems to be a "love it or hate it" sort of thing, and I'm looking forward to finding out which camp I'll fall into.

We're not going to get nonstop raves - and frankly, I never expected them. But I've a feeling people may like the next two movies more; the storyline won't need so much exposition, there will be larger scale action sequences, and the story is going to get more serious. Plus, there's going to be a dragon. People may well like AUJ a lot better when seen in context (and in hindsight) than they do by itself. We'll see.

Silverlode






Cave Troll
Rivendell

Dec 4 2012, 7:55am


Views: 2250
I agree

There are too many divisive elements to this film for it to get universal acclaim. Almost everyone I know seems to be wanting or expecting something different... and, yeah, I do think this is the film that people will like the least.


zecharas
Registered User

Dec 4 2012, 8:04am


Views: 2221
I really do not care for "critics"

If the hobbit had been released in 2001-03 and Fellowship was about to debut on the 14th, I would put money on similar reactions from so called critics. Unfortunately, these reviews are much more abundant and easily accessible in this day and age then they were when LOTR came out. Now everyone can be an "acclaimed" movie critic.

Its unfortunate that some of these critics' views can alter our once high excitement level into a more than worried state about whether or not PJ has completely failed in creating the Hobbit. Relax and wait to see the film and perceive it with your own minds rather than from someone who says they are an esteemed film critic. These critics just seem to have entirely too much influence upon people. And no I'm not trying to point out anyone in particular, just a general thought from what I have seen since these reviews hit.


Wordofmask
Lorien

Dec 4 2012, 8:06am


Views: 2193
I hope

DoS wouldn't be the same like this. should PJ stop supporting HFR for a while? because over 3 days we have read so many reaction concentrated in tech. so these many reviews. I mean just show it in normal 24fps and let ppl decide it without HFR 3D distraction. Unsure


Gusev8
Bree

Dec 4 2012, 8:08am


Views: 2184
Agree with you 100 %

I don't get mind tricked really quick so in my opinion and seeing the clips it's going to be amazing !


Nightwing
Bree

Dec 4 2012, 8:12am


Views: 2343
Seems to me that the real winner in all of this is...

Rob Kazinsky. Who managed to get himself out of this whole mess very early on.


Welsh hero
Gondor


Dec 4 2012, 8:15am


Views: 2228
Why

reviews have been mostly positive so far

-Irfon

Twitter: @IrfonPennant
middle earth timeline FB: https://www.facebook.com/MiddleEarth1


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Dec 4 2012, 8:19am


Views: 2210
80% on RT so far

Apparently that means it's a mess. I know it could go down from there, but... right now I think it's far from looking like a "mess".Crazy


(This post was edited by Mooseboy018 on Dec 4 2012, 8:19am)


Welsh hero
Gondor


Dec 4 2012, 8:21am


Views: 2165
ha ha

aye. 80% any films bellow 81% is a mess. Peter Jackson has failed Wink

-Irfon

Twitter: @IrfonPennant
middle earth timeline FB: https://www.facebook.com/MiddleEarth1


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Dec 4 2012, 8:28am


Views: 2157
This may be an extreme case...

...but I'd just like to bring up another movie I was looking forward to a couple years ago.

I remember looking at RT as the first reviews rolled in, and it was at literally 0% (as in no one liked it, not zero reviews) for the first day or so.

THAT'S a mess. Tongue


Welsh hero
Gondor


Dec 4 2012, 8:29am


Views: 2113
Also is a mess is

twilight getting a 100% on it's first day Wink

-Irfon

Twitter: @IrfonPennant
middle earth timeline FB: https://www.facebook.com/MiddleEarth1


Darthy
Registered User

Dec 4 2012, 8:35am


Views: 2117
The content is worrying

I think the content of the reviews is more worrying then the score. Also I think the overall RT score is less meaningful then the average score.


(This post was edited by Darthy on Dec 4 2012, 8:40am)


Welsh hero
Gondor


Dec 4 2012, 8:38am


Views: 2075
Average are hard to gauge

for example, one low score by one reviewer can really effect the average, so the majority may give it a much higher score

-Irfon

Twitter: @IrfonPennant
middle earth timeline FB: https://www.facebook.com/MiddleEarth1


Welsh hero
Gondor


Dec 4 2012, 8:40am


Views: 2163
Hobbit on 62 on metacritict

http://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-hobbit-an-unexpected-journey

But don't go all doom and gloom, it's only got 5 reviews on there.

-Irfon

Twitter: @IrfonPennant
middle earth timeline FB: https://www.facebook.com/MiddleEarth1


Darthy
Registered User

Dec 4 2012, 8:43am


Views: 2039
Possible, but not likely imo.

It is quite possible, but on RT you would be hard pressed to find a film that is considered universally great with a low average score.


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Dec 4 2012, 8:43am


Views: 2054
It's too early

to get a true average: RT only has 10 reviews (it takes 40 to count as "certified") and metacritic only has 5 so far. By the end of the week we'll have a more representative sample.

Silverlode






Runk Snusgrop
Rivendell


Dec 4 2012, 8:45am


Views: 2109
Review @ Nerdist.com

http://www.nerdist.com/...n-expected-pleasure/



Welsh hero
Gondor


Dec 4 2012, 8:45am


Views: 2034
exactly too soon

fans always amuse me with their way to early doom and gloomWink

-Irfon

Twitter: @IrfonPennant
middle earth timeline FB: https://www.facebook.com/MiddleEarth1


duats
Grey Havens

Dec 4 2012, 8:52am


Views: 2131
Here's Devin's review

http://badassdigest.com/...y-is-perfectly-okay/


demnation
Rohan


Dec 4 2012, 9:00am


Views: 2048
I found this amusing

http://www.boxoffice.com/...n-unexpected-journey

"Tolkien could invent names and languages, but he couldn't create a plot at gunpoint."

Funny, considering ME has its origins in the trenches of WW1.Laugh

Use Well the Days


Welsh hero
Gondor


Dec 4 2012, 9:12am


Views: 2038
Now on 82 on rotten tomatoes

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_an_unexpected_journey/

-Irfon

Twitter: @IrfonPennant
middle earth timeline FB: https://www.facebook.com/MiddleEarth1


Danielos
Rohan

Dec 4 2012, 9:13am


Views: 1962
Blindfolds?

I agree. The nonchalant attitude here to these worrying reviews are really irritating. I think we must prepare for an experience significantly less than the LOTR-movies.


Wordofmask
Lorien

Dec 4 2012, 9:15am


Views: 1955
82 from RT now

and I should tell you that The Avenger and X Firstclass (Both is my favorite) have 69 and 65 from metacritic then 62 is not a bad.

Yes it still has some disappoints but it's not the worst. we can expect DoS to reclaim its honor.


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Dec 4 2012, 9:26am


Views: 1986
Irritating?

I think we're well aware that there's a good chance that the movie will be disappointing in some ways, but are we supposed to suddenly declare that this movie is a failure based on some negative reviews?

I've read quite a few of the positive ones too, and their points are just as valid. And at the very worst the movie sounds like it's "not as good as the Lord of the Rings".


Darthy
Registered User

Dec 4 2012, 9:28am


Views: 2349
Even the positive reviews don't seem that positive.

As if the film is adequate, but no more.


Cave Troll
Rivendell

Dec 4 2012, 9:40am


Views: 2295
Is that not a symptom...

...of it being a prequel?

Even the people who enjoyed it can't help but compare it to a hugely successful and highly-acclaimed trilogy. I suspect that the people who consider it adequate actually liked it rather a lot, but up against the LOTR, it's on a hiding to nothing...


Darthy
Registered User

Dec 4 2012, 9:42am


Views: 2249
But the problems don't seem to be about simple comparsion.

A common complaint has to do with pacing and how bloated the film feels.


(This post was edited by Darthy on Dec 4 2012, 9:43am)


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Dec 4 2012, 9:47am


Views: 2256
I agree.

I'm sure not every critic is in that mindset, but I got that vibe from quite a few of them. It's as if the Hobbit wasn't emotionally 'big' enough, while being too 'big' in terms of running time.

I obviously won't know for sure until next week, but I have a feeling that they made it as emotionally 'big' as they could. I don't think "An Unexpected Party" through "Out of the Frying Pan and Into the Fire" could ever match up to any of the Lord of the Rings films in that way. Even with the added material, the story just doesn't have the same stakes (at least not yet).

Now it just sounds like I'm making excuses...Laugh


(This post was edited by Mooseboy018 on Dec 4 2012, 9:48am)


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Dec 4 2012, 9:51am


Views: 2218
too long

People said the same thing about the Lord of the Rings (and King Kong for that matter), and still do. I'm personally not that worried about that aspect of the movie.

This may be evidence that splitting it into three movies actually wasn't the best idea though, which I had a feeling about before, but I doubt it's that bad.

I might not be the best person to judge a movie on pacing and length though because I didn't have much of a problem with King Kong's.Tongue


(This post was edited by Mooseboy018 on Dec 4 2012, 9:53am)


Wordofmask
Lorien

Dec 4 2012, 9:55am


Views: 2230
if they want something BIG about emotion

I think TABA will be the answer.

and I agreed with you that from An unexpected party through Out of the Flying pan and into the Fire could not match up LOTR in that way and the source material so much different.


Darthy
Registered User

Dec 4 2012, 9:57am


Views: 2204
Still have a good feeling

I am still sure I will enjoy this just for material. I love The Hobbit and I think Freeman will nail it. But I also know that it might not quite match FOTR (the gold standard for me in the LOTR) from a filmmaking perspective. I just don't think Jackson has the heart when it comes to editing. That it is bloated, after making the decision to split the material up even more, does not surprise me after ROTK, Kong and The Lovely Bones. He makes good films and then hides them.


Cave Troll
Rivendell

Dec 4 2012, 9:57am


Views: 2262
I'm sure those are valid criticisms...

but at least they aren't surprising. Silver linings and all that. Unsure

The expected criticisms don't really sting that much. But maybe I'm clutching at straws...


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Dec 4 2012, 10:01am


Views: 2214
quote of the night

"The (un)expected criticisms don't really sting that much."

Tongue


Cave Troll
Rivendell

Dec 4 2012, 10:03am


Views: 2230
I thank you

Cool


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Dec 4 2012, 10:04am


Views: 2183
And don't forget.

There are about six or seven pretty positive reviews (that I've read) that are already out there that just haven't been put onto Rotten Tomatoes yet. Assuming they ever get put on there... I'm not exactly sure how RT's system for accepting reviews works.

But of course twenty terrible reviews could show up and ruin everything.


(This post was edited by Mooseboy018 on Dec 4 2012, 10:04am)


sharpened_graphite
Rivendell

Dec 4 2012, 10:09am


Views: 2221
AUJ seems to be a very light movie with a lot of silliness thrown in...

These NEVER fare well with the critics regardless of their artistic merit (quality of acting, set design or artistic direction). So the lukewarm critical reception is not surprising. This is not a movie for critics.

Tragedy is always more respected than comedy, but the latter is harder to pull off well.


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Dec 4 2012, 10:47am


Views: 2113
The following quote highlights one of the biggest concerns/problems for me

"And where the Rings trilogy had weight, The Hobbit is all wigs and slapstick and head-lopping violence unsuitable for children—who are the only audience who won't be bored to tears." Now, I doubt that the latter part of that statement holds water (and my other big concern is the huge narrative/history changes to Azanulbizar/Nanduhurion and all things related), but the first part about the tone versus the violence really bothers me. The tone is properly lighter, the humour and pacing done clearly with children in mind. . . but then he evidently piles on so much gore that he might have come close to stumbling into R territory. And while I know some laud an excess of violence, the graphic shots really are not required. Added gore does not equal added gravitas. If that were the case, Sin City would have been taken much more seriously. Clearly knowing that The Hobbit was going to be a big holiday draw for families and children, Jackson could have kept all of the mature themes that might, in places, go over a younger viewers head, without ratcheting the gore to R worthy levels. It seems like an obnoxious move by a fanboy trying to prove he is "hardcore" enough, and that the film isn't "kiddy" stuff. It is not necessary to go gore crazy just to prove maturity (gratuitious gore doesn't achieve that goal anyway). What is as troubling is that, by all accounts, the history of The Dwarves is going to be drastically (and unnecessarily) changed. So we get all the gore of The Dwarf/Orc war, in a movie that is supposed to be at least child accessible, and yet the actual history of that war is going to be largely erroneous. I have the feeling that this whole business may end up being my most disliked part of the film.

Everything else sounds mostly encouraging, however, and some of the critical complaints seem unreasonable, when one considers the source of the story.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Balrogslunch
The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 10:57am


Views: 2271
I think this is my favourite review so far

This review is well written and makes some good points (although i wont know if they are right til i see the film myself)

but it is balanced and doesnt appear to be bias against the book like a lot of the negative reviews are getting .....



http://www.hollywood.com/...rs_Prequels/45498155


Danielos
Rohan

Dec 4 2012, 10:57am


Views: 2053
Too many dwarves

I think it might have been at mistake to go with the 13 dvarves. 5-6 of them would have been enough, and then they would have time to add depth and character to all of them.


DanielLB
Immortal


Dec 4 2012, 11:01am


Views: 2020
That really wouldn't have gone down well with fans ... /

 

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BornOutOfTheWest
Rivendell


Dec 4 2012, 11:03am


Views: 2009
First Post On Review's

After a quick scan through of most of the reviews, it seems as though this first film, although it doesn't live up to its predecessors, it is still a great movie. Most of the review scores, are either 4 - 4 1/2 stars which is still the hallmark of a very good movie. It seems as though most of the complaints feature around
  • A long introduction to get the story moving - i think one review said that "At 90 minutes it felt as if they still hadn't got anywhere".
  • Obviously, there is controversy surrounding the HFR which is to be expected. At the moment it seems as though many are split 50/50.
  • For me, the biggest issue that has arisen so far, has been the over-use of CGI mentioned in many reviews. I feel that this could be one of the most critical issues in the film.
  • Finally, the 'Cartoonish humour" that seems to be mentioned in most reviews. Personally, i don't have a problem with this as the Book itself was a much lighter affair aimed at children, and therefore it is to be expected.

I think it is important to note that some of these reviewers may have not have read the book, and therefore are comparing the content to that of the original trilogy, for which there is no comparison. They are completely separate stories told in the same universe with interlinking themes and sub-plots, something that many reviewers are failing to understand. For all that, i feel that this film will be something special although perhaps not quite up there with the original trilogy. As one reviewer put it "This is The Hobbit Episode 1 but its no Phantom Menace".


DanielLB
Immortal


Dec 4 2012, 11:04am


Views: 2179
It also confirms ...

Galadriel will narate the prologue!

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Danielos
Rohan

Dec 4 2012, 11:30am


Views: 2023
Fan?

I´m a fan too you know, but I try to look at what is best for the movie, not necessarily bringing bad ideas from the book into it just for the sake of being true to Tolkien.

The only reason there were 13 dwarves in the book was so Bilbo could be the "lucky number". Most of them have no reason to be in the story at all and the only thing you get to know about them is their names.


Cave Troll
Rivendell

Dec 4 2012, 11:36am


Views: 1933
I disagree

Certain things are non-negotiable, in my opinion. If you want to make The Hobbit into a film, you include all 13 dwarves. That's the story - whether people consider it a bad idea or not.


jtarkey
Rohan


Dec 4 2012, 11:45am


Views: 2009
It seems like the biggest problem with most reviews so far

They seem to be criticizing the book's story which, apparently, is very similar to the films story. This is actually great news for people worrying the film wouldn't be faithful to the book. I also feel like a lot of the reviews are taking too much time to explain the effects rather than talking about the story.

A lot of the reviews make the film sound in the same spirit of the book. It's nothing super serious or emotional, but it's a great movie, some even calling it the best blockbuster of the year. That's fine with me.

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"


Balrogslunch
The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 11:49am


Views: 1893
also it would make them more....

i can see the posters point .....BUT....there needs to be that number of them, so they act like a mini army.....any less number and there would be complaints from the critics about how they keep going through the story (some critics are moaning about it now) so what would they have been saying with even less members of the company....6 dwarves and a hobbit to go up against dragons etc etc.....


DanielLB
Immortal


Dec 4 2012, 11:55am


Views: 2111
Seems I missed "majority of fans" in my above post.

It's not worth the hassle (for PJ) if they reduced the number of Dwarves.

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Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Dec 4 2012, 12:05pm


Views: 1859
Interesting feature of the reviews so far

Which at this early stage seem to be coming in with fairly good but not as good as LOTR, are the difficulties with what we might consider to be features of the text (and, somewhat surprisingly, the general praise for bits not in the book)

It will be interesting to discuss once we know more.

LR


The Preciousss
Bree

Dec 4 2012, 12:12pm


Views: 1846
I am not worried by any of the reviews.

As a matter of fact there are enough people who think the same about the LOTR as some of the reviewers do about AUJ. Though I have some pacing issues with King Kong (mainly the 2 NY acts), I never in any way felt that the LOTR EE dragged. In fact I would have loved to see even more of Middleearth.
The only thing that slyightly worries me is the overuse of CGI, I always praised the SFX of LOTR over the ones of the Star Wars prequels, because from watching the EE appendices, you get the notion that PJ loves practical effects and minitures and only resorts to CGI as a last resort. Now though, it appears as if he has become a bit too obsessed with his new facial mo-capping that he decided to add too much CG-creatures.

However I will not let reviews dampen my enthusiasm for a movie I waited so long to see, I already have my ticket for 48fps 3D next Wednesday and will gladly report my opinion on the movie then...


ElendurTheFaithful
Rivendell

Dec 4 2012, 12:16pm


Views: 2468
I LOVE THIS GUY

James Rocchi
" Tolkien could invent names and languages, but he couldn't create a plot at gunpoint. "
Score 2.5/5


Battleship (yep that stuff with rihanna about a board game without a plot)
Score: 4.5/5



LOL


does he do it on purpose?



(This post was edited by Altaira on Dec 5 2012, 1:01am)


Crunchable Birdses
Rohan


Dec 4 2012, 12:21pm


Views: 2421
That guy seems to have a rabid hatred of Tolkien...

...that transcends the films, so I'm not sure what Jackson could have done to make him like the film.

That's the problem here - some people (like him) hate Tolkien with such venom that the only way to make them like a Tolkien film would be to make it utterly unrecognisable from the source text.

* crunch *


Glóin the Dark
Rivendell

Dec 4 2012, 12:22pm


Views: 2508
On Bloatedness

If it's "bloated" in the same way as King Kong then that's fine with me. Kong isn't bloated! It's spacious...

People are in such a hurry to get films over with these days.


ElendurTheFaithful
Rivendell

Dec 4 2012, 12:26pm


Views: 2406
a

Not so long ago, when dark knight rises came out, RT boss had to write a post about

1. fans who attacked critics that didn't write good things about movie and kept it below 90%
2. critics who purposely wrote bad review so they attract large amount of clicks and visitors on their pages.

only reason to give hobbit 2/5 and battleship 4.5/5 is because of wanting to force reaction form (pissed off) fans to came on your page and comment your review


(This post was edited by ElendurTheFaithful on Dec 4 2012, 12:28pm)


Welsh hero
Gondor


Dec 4 2012, 12:51pm


Views: 2424
Now on 75 on RT //

 

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Gondor


Dec 4 2012, 12:59pm


Views: 2439
otherwise meaning

3/12 negative reviews

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Welsh hero
Gondor


Dec 4 2012, 1:10pm


Views: 2326
Now on 77 RT //

 

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DanielLB
Immortal


Dec 4 2012, 1:15pm


Views: 2323
I hope the film is as exciting as this ;-) /

 

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dubulous
Rohan

Dec 4 2012, 1:16pm


Views: 2312
Happy to hear that!

because I will never get over how good the LotR prologue was narrated by her (even though The Hobbit one probably won't be quite as epic).

It seems the reviews are pretty much what I expected them to be: good but not quite as good as LOTR. If there was no LOTR to compare it to, we'd probably be seeing a lot more praise. Based on the early reviews, I have no reason to worry at least for my part. I'm sure I'll enjoy the film.


Glóin the Dark
Rivendell

Dec 4 2012, 1:53pm


Views: 2262
Down to 71% now...

...due in part to Todd McCarthy's unenthusiastic review.


Elessar
Valinor


Dec 4 2012, 2:04pm


Views: 2220
RT

The thing about RT and a lot of review sites is as someone said earlier people will say negative stuff because its going to grab them the most attention especially on films like The Hobbit. So some of the negative reviews you really have to read them to see if they understand the material, hate Tolkien/Jackson in general, are trolling to troll, etc all in the name of making their name bigger. At this point a lot of the reviews that are negative seem to do that or they just like mindless stuff like giving Battleship a higher score (I've seen that film and own it on blu its nothing but mindless action) or the guy who gave Resident Evil a better score. You have to dig deeper as I said to see if this is an honest negative review or if their is a hideen agenda/they just don't like this genre.



Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Dec 4 2012, 2:19pm


Views: 2191
Well I'm not sure about that hatred bit.

Most of the reviews, positive and negative seem to offer perfectly reasonable reasons for their likes and dislikes. Where those include Tolkien or the aspects of the film which we might imagine it mirrors the text (episodic, lighter, focussed on Bilbo's development, time at Bag End, time spent on dialogue) then that doesn't discount the views.

It probably means they don't/wouldn't like the text overt much, but so what? Lots of people don't/ wouldn't. I don't see the read across to hatred and excessive bias.

Ultimately you see, if (and that is an if) something isn't good in an adaptation, the fact that it is the same in the source doesn't matter at all.

LR


talkingmongoose
The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 2:49pm


Views: 2134
McCarthy

I feel fairly enthusiastic after McCarthy's review:

''Spending nearly three hours of screen time to visually represent every comma, period and semicolon in the first six chapters of the perennially popular 19-chapter book, Jackson and his colleagues have created a purist's delight, something the millions of die-hard fans of his Lord of the Rings trilogy will gorge upon. In pure movie terms, however, it's also a bit of a slog, with an inordinate amount of exposition and lack of strong forward movement.''

That's fine by me. Weren't the Lord of the Rings films occasionally criticised by fans for being altered to appease the masses? I for one am looking forward to a long, slow set up. After all, an hours beginning is nothing when looking at it in the context of a trilogy.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2012, 3:41pm


Views: 2031
I think we should all pick out the most negative thing said by someone

and run with it, disregarding anything positive said by anyone else. Because they must be right. Wink

So far nothing I've read about how PJ put the story up bodes ill for me. The reaction to HFR does have me intrigued because the extremes are on on BOTH SIDES.

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.


Balrogslunch
The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 3:44pm


Views: 1966
agree

i think you are right.....i look forward to their being a big start to it ....with songs in it ...etc etc :)


zecharas
Registered User

Dec 4 2012, 3:55pm


Views: 1944
Why do people emphasize the bad reviews

And not the good? There have been plenty of good reviews yet people always emphasize the negatives. I don't get it. That's what seems to be going on, particularly with people saying the movie will fail, it's the Phantom Menace, the critics' opinions are all telling and all knowing, etc.


DanielLB
Immortal


Dec 4 2012, 4:13pm


Views: 1883
It's what makes the world go round!

People like to talk about the negatives, not the positives.

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lgghanem
The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 4:37pm


Views: 1861
McCarthy's review and misconceptions

So while McCarthy didn't like it, he assured me that I as a fan would love it. Perfect.
Also, it seems critics are mistakenly judging AUJ as a standalone film, when in fact The Hobbit is a 9-hour film released in three parts several months apart. That's why an hour-long opening seems overlong in the context of this film alone, but it's actually one ninth of the whole story, a perfect duration. And that's why it seems to "lack forward movement".
I never ever intended to judge The Hobbit as a film; you won't see me bringing up pacing issues and whatnot. It's just one long story told as a visual and auditory treat. Traditional film rules don't necessarily apply to it, as far as fans are concerned, because that's not what we're looking for.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2012, 4:42pm


Views: 1813
From richest to poorest nations

People find crap to complain about. It's in our nature to focus on the negative. That's why we have to remind ourselves to "count our blessings". Wouldn't have to do so if we were all cheery folk.

That being said, it is intellectually honest to not focus on the negative and keep a balanced perspective.

So to all you negative ninny's - knock it off. Wink

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.


lgghanem
The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 4:42pm


Views: 1795
It's not hatred, they're just criticisms that don't bother me

"If something isn't good in an adaptation, the fact that it is the same in the source doesn't matter at all."
True, the critics can dislike it and express that fairly, but that's not what we mean when we say "oh it was the same in the book so it doesn't matter." Rather, we mean "oh, it was the same in the book, which I liked, so I'll also like it in the movie." It doesn't make the critic unreasonable--on the contrary, like you said, a lot of the reviews have been reasonable--it just makes his or her criticism inapplicable to me as a fan of the book if he or she is criticizing something that is the book's fault rather than the adaptation. He/she isn't telling us anything we don't already know.


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MrCere
Sr. Staff


Dec 4 2012, 4:57pm


Views: 1753
Right

Making money acting, launching a bigger career, spending time working in a creative environment in New Zealand and doing press around the world - who would want any of that?

I have no choice but to believe in free will.

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Welsh hero
Gondor


Dec 4 2012, 5:02pm


Views: 1759
It will be in flux for a while I think

May end with a high 70s low 80s

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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2012, 5:41pm


Views: 1686
Nevertheless, I agree.

If necessary, Thorin, Balin, Dwalin, Fili, Gloin and Bombur would have sufficed, IMO. For all their attempts we've seen/heard about the differentiate each Dwarf, it really only sounds as if Thorin/Balin/Fili/Kili/Bofur/Bombur were the only ones which universally stood out anyway.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2012, 5:52pm


Views: 1666
It really should stand on its own as a complete film...

ALA all three installments of LotR. If it's incomplete or aimless, it's a failing of AUJ's (or more particularly, the move from two to three films more than likely). It is not a misconception that a film has to work as a stand-alone work of art and/or entertainment, even if two additional installments are planned...IMO Fellowship worked perfectly, including the opening scenes in the Shire, even without the following hours in TTT and RotK.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


ElendurTheFaithful
Rivendell

Dec 4 2012, 5:54pm


Views: 1675
up to 73%, 11 fresh, 4 rotten

 


Tim
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2012, 5:59pm


Views: 1494
I agree with this to a certain extent


In Reply To
ALA all three installments of LotR. If it's incomplete or aimless, it's a failing of AUJ's (or more particularly, the move from two to three films more than likely). It is not a misconception that a film has to work as a stand-alone work of art and/or entertainment, even if two additional installments are planned...IMO Fellowship worked perfectly, including the opening scenes in the Shire, even without the following hours in TTT and RotK.


But I don't really agree that Fellowship worked as it's own movie, since it clearly leads into The Two Towers and if The Two Towers hadn't come along Fellowship would have been a disaster. But that's my opinion.

I think this movie should be able to stand on its own as a chapter of a story. It should be entertaining and make us look forward to the next chapters. If it doesn't do that, it fails.

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.


BornOutOfTheWest
Rivendell


Dec 4 2012, 6:27pm


Views: 1460
Past LOTR Reviews

As I'm writing this, the film is currently on an 'average rating of 6.6/10". It's important to note that

FOTR had - 8.1/10

TTT had - 8.4/10

ROTK had 8.6/10

It's interesting to note that TTT had a higher average score than FOTR, even though many critics regard FOTR as a better movie. I think TTT had this higher score due to the fact that it follows on from such a critically acclaimed film and carries that on. I suspect that DOS will most likely be similar.

Don't despair my fellow ringers, i remember even some of the early reviews for FOTR had negative points based on running time etc.


DanielLB
Immortal


Dec 4 2012, 6:31pm


Views: 1425
Another review now says it's Old Bilbo who narrates the prologue. /

 

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BornOutOfTheWest
Rivendell


Dec 4 2012, 6:32pm


Views: 1429
That's strange i'm sure i read somewhere it was Galadriel?

 


DanielLB
Immortal


Dec 4 2012, 6:37pm


Views: 1410
Yup!

2 different reviews, 2 different narrators!

Where they watching the same film?!

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lgghanem
The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 7:02pm


Views: 1356
It probably will feel a complete film that nonetheless needs a continuation

I agree, but only partially. While Fellowship worked as a complete film, it wouldn't have without the promise of a sequel. Even Two Towers got some criticism for it being the middle section (no beginning and no end) even after Jackson modified the source material to give Frodo a climactic sequence to match Helm's Deep.
I sincerely doubt AUJ will be incomplete or aimless--it even gives Bilbo a miniature character arc, or so I hear. But unlike LotR, it's not based on three separate books (and even those had to be meddled with to make three semi-standalone films), but on one story, and so it'll play less like, say, Empire Strikes Back, and more like Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1.
Anyway my point was that even if it didn't stand alone as a film, I personally wouldn't mind as I see it as part of a whole anyway.


blakeyamc
The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 7:48pm


Views: 1267
A Change of heart?

This reviewer saw it twice and had a better time, the 2nd time he saw it at 48FPS.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/...1204,0,4811548.story

"SECOND THOUGHTS: At the time this story was originally published on Monday night, I was seeing "The Hobbit" for the second time, again at 48fps. And I have to admit that not only did the movie strike me as better - faster and more entertaining, though still padded and at times silly - but the format wasn't as bothersome.

I still think the high frame rate takes you out of the movie at times, particularly in scenes that feature well-lit actors prominently in the frame. But about half the time, the format came closer to justifying Jackson's experiment than it had seemed on first viewing.

So maybe I'm just one of those viewers who needs more time to adjust."


Welsh hero
Gondor


Dec 4 2012, 9:32pm


Views: 1176
78 on RT

average score of 6.7/10

this is out of 18 reviews

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Escapist
Gondor


Dec 5 2012, 12:15am


Views: 1086
lots of criticism there!

looks like it would have been hard to make this guy happy once the decisions to use JRRT's material in 48fps were established Tongue


Escapist
Gondor


Dec 5 2012, 12:19am


Views: 1079
I wouldn't be surprised

if there was almost an hour in Bilbo's house. There are 15 intros, an exciting backstory, and a full-on party following a meal and official arrangements.

I guess from this it seems that NZ was the right location for shooting this movie Wink


totoro
Lorien

Dec 5 2012, 4:33am


Views: 1034
I love the reviews

The good ones say the things I like. The bad ones complain about things I won't. Good news!


Rostron2
Gondor


Dec 7 2012, 6:49pm


Views: 980
Reviews

The common theme to me in all these reviews is that they did two things that the critics didn't like:

1. They overdid it on a number of things like the CGI/Effects
2. They overdid it on the characters

Honestly, it doesn't matter to me. I'm familiar with the history and backstory and all the details will make me happy, but the mainstream viewer is going to be overloaded. Of course, I can't just, having not seen the film.