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Thought question for all TORnsibs--when 'The Hobbit' is made . .



elf_wannabee
Lorien

Nov 14 2007, 3:31am


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Thought question for all TORnsibs--when 'The Hobbit' is made . .

should the director cast ALL 13 dwarves or a representative group--and of the 13 which is your favorite name? Oin, Gloin,...? The trolls are no question--all three must be cast! What chapters do you think will be left on the cutting room floor?? to me none--just something to ponder about before the games begin!!


Patty
Immortal


Nov 14 2007, 3:45am


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All the dwarves should be cast!

they don't all have to speak (although they can make background sounds, as in the BBC audio version. Extras (no name folks, with great faces) could be used very inexpensively, heck, I know many TORNadoes who would do it for free!

For Gondor!


Draupne
Forum Admin / Moderator

Nov 14 2007, 9:07am


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Kast dem! Alle sammen!

Cast (written kast but pronounced nearly the same way) means throw in Norwegian, so I saw the Hobbit as a big dwarf-tossing party for a moment.

I wouldn't mind if they cut the singing elves. I don't mind them in the book but it seem a bit too silly on screen I think, like Tom Bombadil.


Penthe
Gondor


Nov 14 2007, 9:18am


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rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb

I can just imagine the muttering in the background. Surely they would have to have some speaking while in Bag End though?

But yes, dispense with the singing Elves, or have them doing it ethereally from the trees in the distance. One or two merry quips would surely get the idea across.

I quite like cheese, you know.


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Nov 14 2007, 10:58am


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*hand shoots up* Right here! dwarf wannabee ;) //

 



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kareniel
Lorien

Nov 14 2007, 12:08pm


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All thirteen, please.

Bag End must be packed with dwarves at the beginning of the story so Bilbo will be harried and disgruntled about having to cook for and serve all of them. The fact that he is overwhelmed by their noisy barging in and insistance on staying for meals makes his choice to go with them more interesting. It provides a little dramatic tension in the exposition. Yes, definitely thirteen.

I think singing elves could be a wonderful element of the film if Howard Shore composed the music for them. Of course, I adore the elves, and I believe they are capable of anything, so I might be a little prejudiced in their favor. Evil


dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Nov 14 2007, 1:25pm


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13, or none!

How can Bilbo be the "lucky number" if there aren't 13 Dwarves?

Hmm...Fili, Kili, Oin, Gloin, Ori, Nori, Dori, Balin, Dwalin, Bifur, Bofur, Bombur, Thorin. Of all those names, I have a least favorite: Oin always makes me think of a pig, I think it's because my mind tends to put a "k" on the end of his name! I like the sound of the name "Dori" best.

They can't really leave out any chapters, each one builds on the one before it! But I can see them leaving out Beorn; although they'd have to rewrite an important part of the battle scene.


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GaladrielTX
Tol Eressea


Nov 14 2007, 1:39pm


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I agree about the singing Elves.

Singing munchkins worked in The Wizard of Oz, and it's one of the most beloved movies ever. It really all depends on if you want a children's story or a (pre-)continuation of LOTR. I would like The Hobbit as I originally experienced it as a child. Some Elves are merry, like the ones that greet the travelers at Rivendell; and some are serious, like the Elvenking or like Elrond when he reads the map and sighs for the loss of Gondolin. In LOTR, we mostly see the lordly elves (Elrond, Legolas, Galadriel), whereas, in The Hobbit, we meet a few of the less lofty ones (and in less troubled times). A lighter Hobbit might make the time of LOTR even more perilous, by contrast.

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Morwen
Rohan


Nov 14 2007, 1:47pm


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I hope they don't leave out a single dwarf

And it would be nice if each dwarf spoke at least once. As far as parts of the story, I hate thinking of leaving anything out although I know that usually has to happen. I just hope they don't leave the Arkenstone out, as happened in the Rankin-Bass version. I'll be disappoined if Beorn goes missing, but I understand that that may have to be done for pacing.



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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Nov 14 2007, 3:29pm


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There must be 13 dwarves... and that's flat!

Part of Bilbo's identity is being the "lucky number" breaking the unlucky number of 13. It's something he even brings up with Smaug. The number of dwarves piling into Bag End, showing up one or several at a time (and again with Beorn) is so comical. And the image of them blundering through the forest and dangling from the trees after being captured by the spiders is also an iconic moment; and quite a feat for the hobbit to free them all.

I think keeping the dwarves as active as they are in the book (in terms of speaking, activity, etc.) is just fine. I find myself enjoying Balin the most, and he remains a friend of Bilbo's years later. He caught my attention when he cheered, "Bravo" when Bilbo came running to the Inn to join them. He always seemed to appreciate Bilbo and was there first when most needed; though Bilbo did rather mess with him when he was lookout and Bilbo slipped past him.

The Hobbit is a short story, and I don't see the need to cut anything. Even the part with Beorn can be covered in 15 minutes, and the Company needs a refuge as they pass from one danger to the next as the Fellowship did in Rivendell and Lothlorien.

Wouldn't it be a hoot if our original Fellowship members were disguised as 8 of the background dwarves? *wink* Too distracting and probably not logical, but it IS a fantasy afterall ;)



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NoseOfSauron
Bree


Nov 14 2007, 3:58pm


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Leggy and Gimli

I want to catch a few glimpes of good ol' Gimli and Leggy in the film :) let's see Legolas use his infamous fighting skills at the Battle of Five Armies.

And there HAS to be thirteen dwarves. Period.

I can see Beorn, the Giants, and the Elven Fires in Mirkwood being cut.

Looking from atop his great tower, he could see across the sea to the land of Middle-Earth. The sundering sea could not sunder his vision. From afar, he spoke with the mortals of the distant land. From across the sea, he stirred the fire of battle and kindled the candle of hope in the hearts of all who fought the shadow. From atop his great tower in Valinor, Manwe spoke the words to Cirdan...

"My name... is Gandalf the Grey."


JRandomRohirrim
Rohan


Nov 14 2007, 4:06pm


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I think you could have fewer than 13 dwarves

Sorry, I'm just not a purist. I thought there were too many in The Hobbit. Maybe 13 visit Hobbiton, but not all of them go on the journey.


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Morwen
Rohan


Nov 14 2007, 4:21pm


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I had forgotten the stone giants.

I suppose they could cut them, although I hope they don't. They're very cool but not essential to the story.



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Idril Celebrindal
Tol Eressea


Nov 14 2007, 4:23pm


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Those singing Elves!

Depending on how it's handled, this sequence could be lovely or totally goofy.

I wonder if the silly Elf songs would sound better if they were sung in Sindarin? Hmmm ... anyone care to take a crack at translating "Tra-la-la-lally, way down in the valley"?

(I think it might be something along the lines of "Tra-la-la-lalad, vi Imladris dad," but I'm no Sindarin expert.)

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Idril Celebrindal
Tol Eressea


Nov 14 2007, 4:31pm


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Can't skip Beorn ...

He feeds and re-equips Gandalf, the Dwarves and Bilbo after they've lost everything in their escape from Goblin-town. With him gone, how do they prepare for the next phase of their journey?

But yes, the anomalous stone giants and extended elf feasting scenes could easily be cut. I'm sure some of the parts where the Dwarves hang out in Laketown and the skirts of the Lonely Mountain would be highly compressed, too, while others would be expanded in a film treatment. Bard, for instance, would probably have a bigger role on film than he does in the book -- the hero who kills Smaug would need to be introduced more explicitly in a movie. (Kind of like how PJ expanded Boromir's role.)

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sherlock
Gondor


Nov 14 2007, 5:17pm


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I hope they don't cut Beorn.

I've decided Clive Owen would be perfect in that role.


sherlock
Gondor


Nov 14 2007, 5:29pm


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I don't think anything need to be cut.

It's a short enough story to fit in one movie and each chapter is almost a complete story by itself. I agree with others that certain parts should be shortened and others expanded but my main concern is the silly dwarf problem we had with LOTR. One silly dwarf was bad enough but thirteen?Evil


Curious
Half-elven


Nov 14 2007, 6:51pm


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The dwarves are like the Keystone Cops. All thirteen must be cast, but

only a few have distinct personalities and speaking lines. As a book purist, I would stick close to the book. But I must admit that The Hobbit is not as holy to me as LotR, so I may be okay with some changes. In particular, I wonder if they will somehow work some women into the story (other than the spiders).


GaladrielTX
Tol Eressea


Nov 14 2007, 7:04pm


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The thing about the Dwarves as Tolkien wrote them that's funny

is that they are so dignified but end up in ridiculous situations (falling on Bilbo's mat; having sacks pulled over them by the Trolls; trickling in, two at a time, at Beorn's home; and dangling from spiderwebs in Mirkwood). I hope this is how The Hobbit movie will approach them, with a sense of their helplessness in the face of the absurd, not with drunken antics like Jackson inflicted on poor Gimli.

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Patty
Immortal


Nov 14 2007, 7:06pm


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Female extra elves in Rivendell?

Chatty old women in Laketown?

For Gondor!


Idril Celebrindal
Tol Eressea


Nov 14 2007, 7:09pm


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Don't forget Lobelia and the spoons!

Bilbo's mysteriously missing spoons is one of the things that always amused me about the ending of The Hobbit.

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Patty
Immortal


Nov 14 2007, 7:49pm


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I would love...

to see more of Lobelia. That was one of my biggest joys when the Fellowship EE came out.

For Gondor!


L. Ron Halfelven
Grey Havens


Nov 14 2007, 7:50pm


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"I'm just 'Dwarf Number Six.' I'm expendable."/

 




Darkstone
Immortal


Nov 14 2007, 7:53pm


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Deep Roy as the Dwarves

Like he played all the Oompa Loompas in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (2005).

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



deej
Tol Eressea


Nov 14 2007, 8:51pm


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The director can put them all in red shirts.

Nothing says 'geeky' like a Star Trek reference!

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Patty
Immortal


Nov 14 2007, 10:54pm


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Or all in Colts' jerseys...

um, wait...

For Gondor!


Sunflower
Valinor

Nov 15 2007, 12:42am


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See....

this is just one of the myriad reasons why The Hobbit is going to be ten times more difficult to film than LOTR, and another reason why it must be PJ alone who does it. a decision on how many dwarves to have and who should speak, and what, and why, is more difficult than Aragron's character. I say all thirteen, but only Thorin and Balin and Fili and Kili should speak, for example. (Although that would be torture for the others....to be cast and all costumed up and not to speak, alas...)

I agree about Bard, and of course Beorn and his magical animals should be there! (I've actually thought about the animals: should the ones who feed the Party be CGI or not? I mean, you can train a dog to bring a candlestick in his mouth, etc, but carrying things on his back etc, is a stretch...And you have to find a way to do this that makes the animals look intelligent, as if they can do everything but talk, and as if they have been doing things like this for a long time. And show the magical bond they have with Beorn. But without it appearing to be magic,if you get what I mean.)

As to the Elves singing...LOL, "tra-la-lalley" in Elvish! ROFLSly. Obviously, the "hobbity" kind of singing must be cut out, but you can't have them singing like the lament for Gandalf or th solemn "Shire-woods" song either from the FOTR EE. I think a happy medium can be struck where you see a bunch of Elven warriors jogging forward to meet the Party as they approach the stone bridge, smiling, laughing and one of them carrying a harp and as they cross the stone bridge to Rivendell the camera can pull back and we could see a small crowd of women emerging from the house, also with harps, and we could hear a lovely Elven chorus, a little more uptempo and mostly of female voices, singing in an "accompaniment"


N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Nov 15 2007, 12:51am


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"Two Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,

Five for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Six for Mortal Men doomed to die..."

See, there's no harm in cutting down the numbers.

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Sunflower
Valinor

Nov 15 2007, 1:19am


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To finish

Sorry, I tried to edit that but it wouldn't let me.

I think a happy medium could be struck where as the Party emerges from the woods before the stone bridge, we see at first one Elf come forward to greet Gandalf, his face breaking into a wide grin, and then Gandalf smiling in greeting etc. Then more Elves emerging from the woods, jogging up to surround the party, smiling and laughing, looking happy to see Gandalf, looking only at him. A few of the younger warriors could be carrying harps. This greeting could be done in a slightly "slo-mo" fashion (you know what I mean, slo-mo as only PJ does it.) so the laughing Elves don't look corny--it is important that we don't actually hear them laugh but we see it. The music begins to swell (a new Shore Rivendell theme perhaps? ) Then we cut to a distant CGI shot of the ELves and the Party crossing the stone bridge. Then, a close-up shot of the courtyard of Rivendell through which Elven women are coming, also carrying harps, and they start to sing. Another distant CGI shot of the two parties meeting, as the song plays over like a musical "voice-over." Something in Elvish of course, but more lyrical, rythmic, the closest to "jaunty" you could get in an Elvish composition, What I'm trying to say is, something where you can clearly hear it rhyme and can pick out repeated verses. I'm sure Shore can find a way to do this! And finally, as the song climaxes, out will come Elrond--and Arwen perhaps.

It is important to see the Elves smile and laugh, and in the "slo-mo" dreamlike fashion, because we'd want the audience to make the connection to the "slo-mo" shots in LOTR, all depicting tragic events, and see what changes in the Elves the War of the RIng made. The LOTR viewer knows that the Elves do not show emotion; (we only see Arwen smile a few times and Galadriel twice.) I know book readers know Elvish history and why they are the way they are but I am talking about cinematic continuity here.) But it would have a great impact if the viewer was made to believe that just the rumor of Sauron alive and at large would be enough to take away their happiness. We know that the Elves had much of their souls burned away by the wars of the First Age but if PJ could show--as Tolkien did--that all joy was not quenched from them even in these days of darkness, it would havea great visceral impact.


Sunflower
Valinor

Nov 15 2007, 1:28am


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Ai! Ai! Brigand is come!

Wink

My literary nemesis!:) Trust you to come out with an opinion contrary to mine! LOL...j/k.

Sure, I would rather see it cut down to 4 or 5 Dwarves, but it just feel funny after the book. It would be like PJ cutting out members of the Fellowship. Of course, everyone in the Fellowship had a role to play so you couldn't cut them out. But this is difficult. You want it to be faithful to the book but you don''t want it looking like a live-action Snow White either!

Let me just say that honestly the jury is out for me on this one; I don't know if I'll make up my mind until I see the casting....

And Brigand I suppose you'll be the first in line for Beowulf on FridaySmile I am just finishing that now. But then maybe not (Beowulf not being filmable either?)


N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Nov 15 2007, 4:23am


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And she was only 23 at the time. //

 

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Sunflower
Valinor

Nov 15 2007, 4:36am


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??

Are you replying to me by any chance?Smile


N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Nov 15 2007, 4:49am


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Are you viewing these threads in "flat" mode?

You may find it a bit easier to follow the direction of the conversation in "threaded" mode; I find it so, anyway, but to each her own. In this case, I was responding to Patty ("I would love") who was herself responding to Idril Celebrindal ("Don't forget Lobelia and the spoons!"), both of them hoping that Lobelia would be glimpsed at the end of The Hobbit movie.

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Sunflower
Valinor

Nov 15 2007, 5:09am


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Oops.

I'll switch...thanks!


Mortimus
Bree

Nov 15 2007, 8:24am


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I'd say Thirteen is do-able, but...

... I'd give lines to only six of them:

Thorin and Balin for obvious reasons, Fili and Kili because as the only other Dwarves to die in the story we ought to invest in them emotionally, and for the sake of what's been done before in the LotR movies - Gloin (and I wouldn't cast JRD - the man's suffered enough for his art without a further mummification by latex) and Bombur (because if we must have one comedy Dwarf let it be the one Tolkien intended so).

Actually, I've changed my mind - let the last speaking one be Dori, as Bilbo interacts with him and their relationship improves through the movie. Bombur's a bit of a one-note character so doesn't need lines (his humour is largely physical).

I'd keep Beorn because I find myself getting more excited hearing about him appearing in the heat of battle than those problematic Eagles. And no singing Elves.


Patty
Immortal


Nov 15 2007, 4:33pm


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I agree with all of this, however, I'd add speaking lines for

Dwalin, as he is the first to come in, and we'd remember him better and movie- firsters would wonder why he never spoke again.

For Gondor!


Wynnie
Rohan


Nov 15 2007, 11:07pm


Views: 1143
Oh, dear

I've been looking for 23's in Tolkien, but I'm not sure I wanted a Lobelia connection.




Perhaps under the shadow of the Unnamed some of the beasts of Mirkwood
are wandering hither to our woods. They have black squirrels there, 'tis said.




Wynnie
Rohan


Nov 15 2007, 11:21pm


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I'd like to see all 13

Other hopes:
- no major omissions (I definitely want Beorn)
- a significantly different portrayal of dwarves than what we saw with comic-relief Gimli in the LotR films




Perhaps under the shadow of the Unnamed some of the beasts of Mirkwood
are wandering hither to our woods. They have black squirrels there, 'tis said.




L. Ron Halfelven
Grey Havens


Nov 15 2007, 11:25pm


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That's going to be a lot of tattoos!/

 




Compa_Mighty
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2007, 12:16am


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Thorin..

Thorin is obviously one of the four pillars of this story (Bilbo, Gandalf and Smaug being the other three)...

Besides him, I believe Fili and Kili are important... perhaps give Gloin a little more importance.

One thing I don't see many people speaking of is the end of the Battle of the Five Armies... dwarves, lots of dwarves!

Short screen time for Dain Ironfoot, but it should be memorable. PJ has to make up for the lack of dwarves in the LOTR trilogy.

Let it be heard! We want Jackson for The Hobbit!

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N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Nov 16 2007, 12:38am


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Excellent point. //

 

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N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Nov 16 2007, 12:48am


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Humbert...

was the one who pointed this out, leading to much discussion here.

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Penthe
Gondor


Nov 16 2007, 1:30am


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Yes, they are so serious

And so disparaging of Bilbo, but at the same time they lack the ability to deal with the situations they find themselves in all the time. Except when it comes to fighting goblins, of course. That's where you see how tough they are, and how not-tough in a physical sense Bilbo is. I wonder how that will play out?

I quite like cheese, you know.


silneldor
Half-elven


Nov 16 2007, 1:34am


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Lacking any number would only be considered by

the bean counters due to their humane challenged souls.

And there better be 13 coats on those hooks at Bag EndMad....not including Gandalf's of courseSmile.

"Tolkien, like Lewis, believed that, through story, the real world would become a more magical place, full of meaning. We see its patterns and colors in a fresh way. The recovery of a true view of the world applies both to individual things, like hills and stones, and to the cosmic - the depths of space and time itself. For in sub-creation, in Tolkien's view, there is a "survey" of space and time. Reality is captured on a miniature scale. Through stories like The Lord of the Rings, a renewed view of things is given, illuminating the homely, the spiritial, the physical, and the moral dimensions of the world."

Tolkien and C.S. Lewis- The Gift of Friendship -Duriez


May the grace of Manwë let us soar with eagle's wings!

In the air, among the clouds in the sky
Here is where the birds of Manwe fly
Looking at the land, and the water that flows
The true beauty of earth shows
With the stars of Varda lighting my way
In all the realms this is where I stay
In the realm of Manwë Súlimo
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silneldor
Half-elven


Nov 16 2007, 2:04am


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For me, it will be interesting to see,

 what length they will go to create a believable Laketown.

"Tolkien, like Lewis, believed that, through story, the real world would become a more magical place, full of meaning. We see its patterns and colors in a fresh way. The recovery of a true view of the world applies both to individual things, like hills and stones, and to the cosmic - the depths of space and time itself. For in sub-creation, in Tolkien's view, there is a "survey" of space and time. Reality is captured on a miniature scale. Through stories like The Lord of the Rings, a renewed view of things is given, illuminating the homely, the spiritial, the physical, and the moral dimensions of the world."

Tolkien and C.S. Lewis- The Gift of Friendship -Duriez


May the grace of Manwë let us soar with eagle's wings!

In the air, among the clouds in the sky
Here is where the birds of Manwe fly
Looking at the land, and the water that flows
The true beauty of earth shows
With the stars of Varda lighting my way
In all the realms this is where I stay
In the realm of Manwë Súlimo
By El~Cugu

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FinGolFin
The Shire

Nov 16 2007, 3:53am


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Peter Jackson Should NOT do The Hobbit

 I know most of you are going to disagree with me on this;Peter Jackson(PJ)did do good with TLOTR. But, if give a chance(and lets think about this), there are other directors and writers who have come up with their own ideas, their own stories. PJ has addapted--and thats fine. But what shows TRUE film-makingship, is immagination, creating a story on your own. Like, George Lucas, Mel Gibson, amongst a few more. I am not saying PJ is the worsrt;not by any means. We just need someone else to do the Hobbit.


N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Nov 16 2007, 5:25am


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Lucas? Gibson?

I'm no fan of Jackson's LotR, but I doubt Lucas or Gibson would have done better.


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PJ has addapted--and thats fine. But what shows TRUE filmmaking-ship, is immagination, creating a story on your own.



But The Hobbit is also an adaptation, that needs to do right by its source, as well as succeed as a film.

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Annael
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Nov 17 2007, 3:49am


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gack!

George "I love CGI and spaceships, not live actors" Lucas direct "The Hobbit"?

Mel "I love gore and violence and martyrs" Gibson direct "The Hobbit"?

Don't tell me Michael Bay would be another of your choices . . .

I'm not among the Peter-Jackson-or-no-one crowd, however. I think Alfonso Cuaron would do a great job with it, or possibly even Sam Raimi.

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grammaboodawg
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Nov 17 2007, 11:45am


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Actually, Peter HAS created/written/filmed original work

Have you seen The Frighteners? Brain Dead? Meet the Feebles? Forgotten Silver? Heavenly Creatures? They are all films that Peter and his filmic family have imagined, written, developed and filmed. The only reason there's any interest at all in The Hobbit being filmed now is because of Jackson's 10-year dedication to bringing a worthwhile adaptation of The Lord of the Rings to the screen. I think, if for no other reason, he's earned the right to do The Hobbit and its sequel if he has a mind to.

Even if he does/doesn't, that won't keep other adaptations from being done. They could be called There and Back Again, or A Hobbit's Tale, or A Hobbit and the 13 Dwarves. Whoever does the films... Spielberg, Raimi, Rodriguez or PeeWee Herman... it'll still be an adaptation and not an original work.

I'd LOVE to see others try their hand at an adaptation AND have Peter Jackson do his own version and AB test the things. A=others; B=Jackson. Hmmmm. A or B. A or B. Let the audience decide if others are capable of capturing the look and feel of the Middle-earth while honouring the Author's works that has brought you, me and everyone reading this here right now. I, personally, would welcome that. It would satisfy your very valid point that others COULD do the job and satisfy me that Peter Jackson is allowed to finish the job he started. It's not an either/or situation.



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N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Nov 17 2007, 11:41pm


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No, yes, no, yes, and no.

Nice comments as usual, gramma, but how about you? Which of those (including also King Kong and Bad Taste) is your next favorite of Jackson's films, after LotR? Having seen only three others, I would rank them Forgotten Silver > LotR > King Kong > Dead Alive.

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Nov 18 2007, 3:31am


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I'm surprised you haven't seen

Heavenly Creatures (if I've got the order right). It's more in the style of The Lovely Bones, and an excellent movie.

Each cloak was fastened about the neck with a brooch like a green leaf veined with silver.
`Are these magic cloaks?' asked Pippin, looking at them with wonder.
`I do not know what you mean by that,' answered the leader of the Elves.


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N.E. Brigand
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Nov 18 2007, 4:02am


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I hope to.

Thanks for the recommendation! Heavenly Creatures was on my list of films to see in 1994, but I just didn't get around to it; I did see about 50 other feature films that year. In approximate order of preference, best to worst, those were:

I
Nobody’s Fool, Pulp Fiction, Clear and Present Danger, Thirty-Two Short Films About Glenn Gould, Trois coleurs: blanc, Through the Olive Trees, That's Entertainment! III

II
Hoop Dreams, Quiz Show, Speed, Trois coleurs: rouge, Four Weddings and a Funeral, Barcelona, Crumb

III
Red Rock West, The Madness of George III, Sonatine, The Shawshank Redemption, Princess Caraboo, Natural Born Killers, The Lion King, Destiny in Space, Ed Wood

IV
Star Trek: Generations, Maverick, Reality Bites, The Paper, Drunken Master II, IQ, True Lies, Serial Mom, Forrest Gump, Miracle on 34th Street, Blink

V
Cabin Boy, Backbeat, The Crow, Stargate, The Santa Clause, The River Wild, Interview with the Vampire, Terminal Velocity, Drop Zone

VI
Timecop, The Chase, Blown Away, PCU, The Shadow, Ace Ventura: Pet Detective, Wyatt Earp, The Two Flags, Mixed Nuts

It's been a while since I saw most of these, and I might very well rank them differently if I watched them all again.

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GaladrielTX
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Nov 18 2007, 2:23pm


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I'm surprised at how many of those movies I saw.

Not as many as you, of course.

I would move Barcelona up from second tier to the top tier. I loved the way the writers and actors delivered the lines so lovingly. I got the same feeling from the two prequels, Metropolitan and...oh, what was the second movie? After each such experience, I longed for such a level of conversation in my own life.

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grammaboodawg
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Nov 18 2007, 3:41pm


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Wellll... after LotR?

It's a strange toss-up between The Frighteners and King Kong. Frighteners was the very first film I saw by Jackson a way before I even heard of him making LotR. It was fantastic and had me totally enthralled! I was SO impressed with Michael J. Fox's work in it and still think of it as some of his best. I freaked when I realized that director was going to do LotR. I have such a warm spot in my heart now for that film. King Kong, however, is a powerful and sensitive re-telling of the original (which I don't particularly care for). Jackson's Kong is dynamic and masterful, imho.

Then comes Forgotten Silver. Great! Then Heavenly Creatures. Disturbing, but fascinating to watch. I will admit being too Feeble to watch the rest. Exploding heads and spurting blood upsets my delicate mind and tummy ;)



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Nov 18 2007, 4:38pm


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Interesting.

Thanks for those thoughts. It's interesting you like The Frighteners more than Heavenly Creatures. As I said, I've seen neither, but I remember a very warm critical response to Heavenly Creatures (I used to note critics' top ten lists each year. Of 60 lists from U.S. newspapers and magazines, Heavenly Creatures appeared on 17, putting it solidly in the top ten.) Whereas The Frighteners, if it registered at all, earned confusion and disappointment (critics' favorites in 1996 included Fargo, Secrets & Lies, Breaking the Waves, Lone Star, The English Patient, The People vs. Larry Flynt, Big Night, Jerry Maguire, Welcome to the Dollhouse, Dead Man, Shine, Flirting With Disaster, Mother, Trainspotting, The Portrait of a Lady, La Cérémonie, Chungking Express, The Crucible, Ma saison préférée, and Paradise Lost).

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Nov 18 2007, 4:47pm


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A few others.


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I would move Barcelona up... I got the same feeling from the two prequels, Metropolitan and...oh, what was the second movie?



The director, Whit Stillman, has made only three films, and Barcelona (1994) was the second, following on Metropolitan (1990). The third was The Last Days of Disco (1998).


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Other critically-acclaimed films that year, that I did not see, include: To Live, Vanya on 42nd Street, Bullets over Broadway, Little Women, The Last Seduction, The Blue Kite, The Boys of St. Vincent, Eat Drink Man Woman, Fresh, and Caro diario.

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Nov 18 2007, 5:03pm


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Eat Drink Man Woman

That's one of the few movies from that year that I did see. A beautiful story, I thought. I loved the use of food as a symbol of the love between a father and his daughters - beautiful, intricate, traditional Chinese food, a link between the traditionalist father and his daughters who live in the world of modern China.

...and the sails were drawn up, and the wind blew,
and slowly the ship slipped away down the long grey firth;
and the light of the glass of Galadriel that Frodo bore
glimmered and was lost.


GaladrielTX
Tol Eressea


Nov 18 2007, 6:44pm


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Oh, that's right. The Last Days of

*whispers* disco. Blush

As I recall, the movies were only loosely sequential so I forgot the chronological order.

I didn't know he hasn't made any films since then. If he ever does and I hear about it I'll have to see them.

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PrincessWhat
Bree


Nov 21 2007, 10:06pm


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13!

13 certainly! In LOTR we had the Fellowship of 9 - what's 4 more?