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TV Spot #7



Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor


Nov 16 2012, 6:13pm


Views: 5836
TV Spot #7
The official facebook page of "The Hobbit" just posted another new TV Spot:

http://www.facebook.com/...?v=10101833385757066

There a some new elements in.
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."

(This post was edited by Lieutenant of Dol Guldur on Nov 16 2012, 6:14pm)


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Nov 16 2012, 6:14pm


Views: 3991
Argh!
Beat by 30 seconds.Tongue


Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor


Nov 16 2012, 6:15pm


Views: 3915
It's like a game now.. who's first :P
Yes... you can't imagine what my face looks like at the moment Laugh
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."


jimmyfenn
Rohan


Nov 16 2012, 6:18pm


Views: 3880
oooh
im just trying to tell myself its a kids film , its a kids film its ok to have comedy dwarves sometimes lol

loving the font mr dol guldor how did you get that, and what one is it?
for quickbeam often laughed, he laughed if the sun came out from behind a cloud, he laughed if they came upon a stream or spring:


Owain
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 6:22pm


Views: 3897
Here it is on YouTube as well...
http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=g-all-u
Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 6:24pm


Views: 3925
At :07 is where Bilbo finds himself left behind by the Goblins...
leading to the duel with the Goblin seen in Trailer 2, and subsequently Riddles in the Dark running concurrently with Goblin-town.
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor


Nov 16 2012, 6:24pm


Views: 3821
Haha thanks
Hey please call me Lieutenant Tongue

Well... it is called "Century Gothic" and I looked for a personal trademark within this forum, because most of you do just use the standart font.. I think it is "Arial". You can change it very easily while writing a post.
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 16 2012, 6:26pm


Views: 3877
*lol* 3 threads
As for the spot, Bilbo's expression at 0:08 should be more scared. Unsure

Admittedly, i laughed when Gandalf spoke of stealth and we see Bombur crashing, "where's the meat" was pretty funny, too.


Thoromir
Rivendell


Nov 16 2012, 6:32pm


Views: 3886
...and a first good look at the bunny-sleigh
Not bad. Kinda like it :)


SaltedPork
Bree


Nov 16 2012, 6:32pm


Views: 3846
Bats?
Are those bats or just birds chasing after Raddy on his bunny sled?


Magpie
Immortal


Nov 16 2012, 6:33pm


Views: 3781
you need to keep a post window open in one tab at all times....
(which I guess is like dialing the first 7 numbers of the radio station on which you're waiting to catch a giveaway announcement... once it's announced, you just dial the last number. There's a blast from the past!)

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imin
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 6:35pm


Views: 3811
Looks pretty good
I had missed a couple of other tv spots - yet to actually see any of them on tv, lol.

For me tv spot 6 is the one i enjoyed the most. Though it was good to get to see a bit more of the bunny sledge - not a fan of it but i dont hate it anymore either. Was great to see some goblins moving around, i am looking forward to seeing those on screen and bag end in the sun :)


Magpie
Immortal


Nov 16 2012, 6:38pm


Views: 3764
you can change it easily if you are using Advanced Editor
Those of us using Basic Editor (because some browsers do not support Advanced Editor) don't have it so easy.

I think the default font depends in part what your browser settings are. It was a different font when I was using Firefox than it is now that I'm using Chrome.

With the old boards, you could set font and color for the posts you made in your standard forum settings (and never fuss with it again until you wanted to change it). But in the new set up, it has to be done with every post you make.

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DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 16 2012, 6:38pm


Views: 3847
Not the best
But plenty of new shots. I hope we've sen the majority of the humour ... It's wearing thin now.

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Cave Troll
Rivendell

Nov 16 2012, 6:38pm


Views: 3829
It does seem too pantomime...
...but I wouldn't read too much into it. Hard to discern the full context of it from that edit.


Cave Troll
Rivendell

Nov 16 2012, 6:41pm


Views: 3772
Ditto
I hope this was the "funny" spot.

The humour is, as you say, wearing thin.


Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor


Nov 16 2012, 6:42pm


Views: 3801
Yes I had the same in mind...
Here is my theory (SPOILERS):

- They all (except Gandalf) get captured by the Goblins as in the book (trailer #2)
- They all were brought to Goblin Town
- Bilbo falls over (TV spot #7) and perhaps only one single Goblin is noticing him.
- The others are running forward to their king (trailer #2)
- The Goblin attacks Bilbo, Sting is defending him (trailer #2)
- Bilbo tries to escape but falls even deeper into the dark. The Goblin follows him and perhaps get killed by Gollum using his ring or at least dies on his way down to Gollums cave.
- Gollum notices this big bunch of meat while Bilbo hides behind the mushrooms (TV spot #5)
- Gollum takes his food back to his island losing his ring.
- Bilbo follows Gollum, who is now eating the dead Goblin.
- Bilbo finds the Ring
- Gollum notices Bilbo and comes back with his boat to look at Bilbo. Because he isn't hungry (just had eaten a Goblin) he regards him with curiosity
- Riddles in the Dark
- Gollum is looking for his ring on his island but than he remembers that he used it before (perhaps while killing the Goblin) and yes... we all know what happens next Tongue
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."

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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 6:46pm


Views: 3780
Mirkwood's looking pretty cool at :12...
I liked the colorful set we saw in the vlogs, so nice to see that though muted by the Red Cameras/color grading, the forest is still appropriately mystical.

Also, judging by Raddy's face here, (and the birds fleeing with him as they flutter over his head), he's escaping the spiders here - which has seemed likely for a while now.
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Nov 16 2012, 6:46pm


Views: 3838
Dwalin: Where's the meat?
Ugluk: Looks like meat's NOT on the menu, boys.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 6:50pm


Views: 3783
My hope is that the Gandy/White Council/Necro/Erebor back-story, and more heartfelt material
such as Bilbo's speech from the last spot help off-set what will likely be "funny" Dwarf shenanigans throughout Film 1.
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Seaber
Rivendell

Nov 16 2012, 6:51pm


Views: 3751
Ori
Looks like he's got the mummy's boy attitude mentioned and hinted at in descriptions. Hope it doesn't get to annyoing, because he's one of my favourite dwarves (for some reason) :)

Is Bilbo invisible to the Goblins when he falls down? That was the first impression I got.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 6:52pm


Views: 3685
He hasn't found the Ring yet. //
 
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 16 2012, 6:52pm


Views: 3759
It bothers me that it sometimes seems as if Bilbo is taking things too lite.
I have nothing against appropriate levity but in a situation like this where he gets dragged down the tunnels by goblins he should feel miserable. Making it seem as if it's a mild inconvenience at best, you turn a moment that should be tense into a scene that could be out of a Disney family film.

I hope in context, it works better... Unsure


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Nov 16 2012, 6:57pm)


Seaber
Rivendell

Nov 16 2012, 6:54pm


Views: 3687
I thought it might have been after he leapt
 


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 6:54pm


Views: 3758
"Sir Peter, the Vegan Advocacy Society of New Zealand would like to have a word with you...
We've noticed a disturbing recurring trend in your work". Wink

Ah well, there's always Bifur and his flowers.
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 6:54pm


Views: 2496
New stuff, woot woot.
The bunny sled looks better and less annoying. I think the shot being darker helps with that. And the bats behind Radagast are pretty cool.

Bilbo somehow being missed by the goblins. Really? Oh, and he doesn't look scared. At all.

Um, do Elves not eat meat?
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Cave Troll
Rivendell

Nov 16 2012, 6:55pm


Views: 2410
I hope so to...
Smile Unsure

It does make me worry but this does genuinely seem to have been designed to be the humorous spot (complete with Bombur, the bunnies, Bilbo hamming it up, stereotypical dwarves etc. etc.)

In a weird way, the repetition of at least Bombur falling and Radagast's bunnies kinda gives me hope that we've already seen a lot of the slapstick stuff...


Macfeast
Rohan


Nov 16 2012, 6:56pm


Views: 2507
Ori: I don't like green food.
Now hang on. On the scroll, you were gleefully taking a bite out of a piece of salad. Make up your mind, Ori Tongue

Seriously though, why wouldn't the elves have meat?


(This post was edited by Macfeast on Nov 16 2012, 6:57pm)


Welsh hero
Gondor


Nov 16 2012, 6:58pm


Views: 2423
I don't like green food
I agree ori, I agree. Tongue
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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 6:58pm


Views: 2415
And wasn't some of the food on Bilbo's table green? //
 
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 6:59pm


Views: 2389
Me too
And I hope we've seen most of the humorous bits. Because I'm pretty tired of them. Bombur breaks a table because he caught a piece of food?

I can't wait to see everything in it's proper context.

Thank goodness it's less than a month now.
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 16 2012, 6:59pm


Views: 2412
He looks pretty scared to me
With a mix of "What just happened?".


mirkookrim91
The Shire

Nov 16 2012, 7:00pm


Views: 2410
The task I have in mind will require...
... what xD?
I can't understand what Gandalf is saying :(


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 7:00pm


Views: 2433
And just when it seemed they'd used every location in New Zealand...
Impressive locale at :10...the steppes of the Misty Mountains?
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 7:01pm


Views: 2395
I'm not seeing it
There's nothing that looks scared to me. But I agree with the "what just happened?" look.
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 16 2012, 7:02pm


Views: 2417
"The task I have in mind will require a great deal of stealth and no small amount of courage."
 


mirkookrim91
The Shire

Nov 16 2012, 7:03pm


Views: 2343
Thanks!
 


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 7:03pm


Views: 2353
Gorgeous
The landscape shots look absolutely stunning. They're something I'm looking forward to the most. They've always looked beautiful.

I agree it's probably on their way through the Misty Mountains. I'd say it's probably soon after they leave Rivendell but before the stone giants.
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 7:04pm


Views: 2372
"...a great deal of stealth, and no small amount of courage".
 EDIT: Ah, see Carne's post above. Smile
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Nov 16 2012, 7:05pm)


Cave Troll
Rivendell

Nov 16 2012, 7:05pm


Views: 2348
Me neither.
It reminds me of some of the narration written for McKellen in that hack-and-slash EA Return of the King game way back.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 7:08pm


Views: 2332
I loved that video game!//
 
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Cave Troll
Rivendell

Nov 16 2012, 7:12pm


Views: 2304
Haha, me too!
Was actually just playing it again a month or two ago. Blush

But Gandalf is all like "I've devised a plan... for my plan to work... me me bla bla" shurrup and let me kill things.


Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 16 2012, 7:12pm


Views: 2303
So do I!
One of the better "movie to game" adaptions.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 7:15pm


Views: 2289
I'd still play it if I could!
I had it for PS2, but I sold my the consul a while ago. I kept the game, though, because I couldn't stand to let it go.
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 7:17pm


Views: 2297
Yeah, it was great.
I thought that I heard we were supposed to get more based on the Hobbit films. Am I just making that up, or was it confirmed at one point?
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 16 2012, 7:20pm


Views: 2360
Do Elves eat meat?
Could make for an interesting discussion Wink

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Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 7:22pm


Views: 2332
Don't they?
In the Silmarillion, didn't they used to hunt the petty-dwarves? I can't imagine the Elves hunting just to kill things, so it must have been for food. Although, I hope they realized the dwarves were sentient before they ate them, not after LaughShocked
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 7:24pm


Views: 2290
A while back I saw this posted somewhere, but haven't heard anything since:
Quote
As to what Monolith/WB Games Seattle is up to now—pretty sure it is a little fantasy action RPG-lite called “The Hobbit: Part One”. It also sounds like WB Seattle will be handling the tie-in for the second Hobbit film.
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 7:25pm


Views: 2337
Ha. ha. ha.
Elves are anorexic vegetarians and dwarves are burly meat eaters. OMG. The dwarves are mad about having to eat lettuce! Ha. ha. ha. Original. Hilarious.

Pffffttt.

I hope not all of the invented material revolves around hokey, unfunny D&D stereotypes.


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Nov 16 2012, 7:26pm)


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 7:25pm


Views: 2263
Hmm, I wonder whatever happened to that//
 
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 7:30pm


Views: 2399
That's what you focus on?
The Freeman material in this one is so great, and that's what you comment on? Crazy!
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


Elessar
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 7:31pm


Views: 2350
Happy Dance
That's how yet another tv spot makes me feel.


Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 16 2012, 7:31pm


Views: 2391
I honestly don't see what's so bad about this?
The dwarves prefer meat, the elves prefer vegetables and fruit (and so does Bifur).


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 7:31pm


Views: 2482
It's a dumb trope
That PJ and company have borrowed from some bad fantasy. It is unoriginal, boring, and has no basis in Tolkien (whose elves seemed to regularly hunt...). I have absolutely no idea what is so funny about it, either.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 7:33pm


Views: 2397
It's just nonsense
Who ever said the dwarves are exclusively carnivores, and the elves are vegetarians? It's the kind of simplistic crud that makes most fantasy worlds so shallow and uninteresting. And even if there was some basis for it, why is it so funny?


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 16 2012, 7:33pm


Views: 2371
They certainly don't pig out on McDonalds ;-) /
 

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Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 7:34pm


Views: 2388
I agree with you on this
Crazy, I know! Laugh

There doesn't seem to be any reason other than for some type of humorous "where's the meat?" which isn't really funny at all.

I'd have rather they used that time to actually, I don't know, tell the story.
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 7:34pm


Views: 2332
too low
quality! It is terrible, its all blurry...Mad


Kassandros
Rohan


Nov 16 2012, 7:34pm


Views: 2340
"way back?" - You've made me feel old.
How can we possibly be 12 years into the new millenium? It's still new, right? right?

The original Donkey Kong is "way back." Castle Wolfenstein (2D) is "way back." Zork (the text version) is "way back."

But the Return of the King tie in game? That's not even ten years old. And yeah, it was really good.
all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 7:35pm


Views: 2365
it made
me laugh, so...


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 7:36pm


Views: 2346
It makes me roll my eyes...//
 
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 7:36pm


Views: 2333
If you watch it on youtube
You can change the quality to 720HD. It's much, much better.
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 7:36pm


Views: 2359
Why is it crazy?
It is such amazingly mediocre comedy, and in Rivendell of all places, that it ruins the whole effect.

I have absolutely no worries about Freeman. He has been great in almost every shot I have seen (barring the "faint.") So I don't even feel the need to sing his praises anymore. He and McKellen are my two great hopes for these films.

The dwarves, on the other hand, could threaten to turn this film into one massive helping of NOT FUNNY. I'd rather they have cut most of them out than to sit through this kind of stuff, which so far falls much further below a Pixar movie.


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 16 2012, 7:37pm


Views: 2359
Agreed
There just isn't any need for it.

It's comparable to Legolas': "it's a diversion!"

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Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 7:37pm


Views: 2328
As if we don't know it's a diversion!
Likewise, we know lettuce is green!
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 7:39pm


Views: 2360
Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope
I really hope that by the time Film 3 rolls around, the dwarves are more serious and less annoying. If not, I'm not sure I have much hope for these films.
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 7:40pm


Views: 2317
Agreed
In fact, I think most of the landscape shots thus far look better than much of what we saw in LOTR (IMO, it's due to the high resolution AND a less washed out and muddy color palette). Very much looking forward to those parts of the film.


Elessar
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 7:41pm


Views: 2306
Eh
No harm. No foul. Seems like a lot of blowing something out to be bigger than what it really is. I didn't think anything of it to be honest.


Kassandros
Rohan


Nov 16 2012, 7:42pm


Views: 2319
"It's a diversion!" is funny, at least.
On the other hand, Bombur genuinely is a walking fat joke in The Hobbit. That's how Tolkien wrote him. Doesn't mean it'll work on screen, though. Not everything in the books should make it into the film unchanged.
all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 7:43pm


Views: 2347
They told us there'd be lots of humor
so I assume we haven't seen even most of it yet. And why should we have? I rather hope they don't give away any of the elements of the film in its entirety in advance. Something must be left to the movie theaters!
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 16 2012, 7:46pm


Views: 2312
I know, and I shouldn't be judging yet.
I'll wait until I see the film in its entirety.

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Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 7:47pm


Views: 2269
Isn't that why we're here?
To blow things out of proportion before we've seen them in their proper context? Smile
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 7:49pm


Views: 2306
Tolkien did not write Bombur as a walking fat joke
He simply refers to Bombur being unusually heavy a few times, and this leads to one (yes, one) instance where that inconveniences the company (after he falls asleep in Mirkwood and they have to carry him).

Otherwise, there are no explicit fat jokes at all.

Thus far, I have counted at least four from PJ, just in the first film.

1. He really, really pigs out in Bag End (the least problematic)
2. He sits atop an elven bench, which breaks due to his weight
3. He stares lovingly at what looks to be a sausage
4. He uses his massive stomach as a weapon

And we can probably expect much, much more throughout the course of three movies.

Sorry, but PJ's version of Bombur so far bears little comparison to Tolkien's.


Lightice
Lorien

Nov 16 2012, 7:49pm


Views: 2279
Do read the book again
The dwarves act like total brats for great chunks of the novel. This stuff is not out of character for them. They love to grumble about everything under the sky until their faces turn blue. Also, I don't see how any of thing significantly differs from the Merry & Pippin slapstick from the first trilogy. It's just given more screentime in the trailers because PJ wants to reassure people that he's not forgetting The Hobbit's roots as a children's book. I have no doubt that we'll see a fair balance of serious and comedic content, and probably leaning pretty heavily towards serious by the time the trilogy ends.

As for are the elves vegetarians, the answer is a solid no. Remember how the Company ran into the deers in Mirkwood in the middle of what was clearly an elvish hunt? But I can't imagine that they would keep cattle, and you can only get so much meat by hunting, so it makes sense that they mostly eat vegetables, and reserve meat for special occasions.


sycorax82
Rohan

Nov 16 2012, 7:50pm


Views: 2303
'My name is Bilbo Baggins' seems like the take from the movie
The way he says it in this spot matches the situation much better.

What I like is how we can't say that anything we've seen so far is FINAL and in the film. We're still going to have a fresh experience when we see this behemoth!


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 7:52pm


Views: 2285
I've no need to reread the book, thank you.
There's an obvious difference between grumbling, grumpy dwarves and an obvious attempt at being "funny".

Oh, and the difference between Merry and Pippin and the dwarves is that there were two of them, not 13.
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 16 2012, 7:54pm


Views: 2274
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I've always expected the 2 B's (Bilbo Baggins) would appear on screen during a trailer and form the 2 B's in the Hobbit (if that makes sense?)

Similar to one of the very first FOTR trailers.

I thought it would happen years ago! I'm still waiting.

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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 7:55pm


Views: 2302
Because Dwarves are making fun of Elves, and vice versa
I like it because they're being immature, and just purely racist against each other. I only hope the Elves deliver a lot of it also*, so the false "pure white angels" Elven imago gets countered.

That's what I hate about the Themepark Version of Middle-Earth. People being all angely and shiny and perfect and ultra serious. Not so, not even close. They're all idiots, really, and with heads full of bone. Only in LotR they truly look noble, but that's because it's the WWII of their world and that sort of stuff makes you solemn. But this is the Silmarillion freak in me speaking.

If you think Dwarves whining about the food Elves eat is boring, that's fine enough, it's your taste. I could mention Tolkien didn't have the most subtle sense of humor either (fat jokes!) but any criticism of The Professor is heresy in the fandom and I rather not wish to be burned alongside the other witches... Laugh


*Randy Thrandy I count on you!
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied

(This post was edited by Faenoriel on Nov 16 2012, 7:57pm)


Elessar
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 7:56pm


Views: 2265
Yes, it will happen.
Just having a laugh that this little bit is an issue. lol


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 7:56pm


Views: 2288
Please don't insult my intelligence
I have read the book many times, and very recently, and the "brattishness" you describe is nothing like what this trailer shows. Yes, they are often annoying whiners, but they don't adhere to dumb fantasy comedy staples like "we hate these girly, vegan elves! Arrrrg!" Their brattishness in the book is quite funny. PJ's adolescent interpretation of that humor is, IMO, not funny, and predictably boring.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 7:57pm


Views: 2242
Indeed it is! ;) //
 
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 8:00pm


Views: 2266
But who is asking for that theme park?
I don't want that at all.

In fact, one of my main gripes with PJ's LOTR is that he stripped many of the characters of their humor - especially Frodo. He has a wonderful dry wit in the books.

I want the humor of the Hobbit to be reflected in the films. In fact, that is one reason why I believe I will enjoy these films more than LOTR. Because of the inherent humor in the narrative (the mere idea of an adventure arriving on Bilbo's doorstep in the form of these strange dwarves is funny), and because of what I perceive to be Martin Freeman's very natural, British humor, full of understatement and phrases that have double or triple meanings.

On the other hand, PJ's brand of humor, and the humor he seems intent on injecting, steroid-like, into the dwarves, is nothing like the humor of the books.

And for me, at least, it also doesn't seem very funny at all.


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Nov 16 2012, 8:00pm)


Kassandros
Rohan


Nov 16 2012, 8:01pm


Views: 2277
Fat Bombur
Searched the text of the Hobbit for "fat" and found these references to Bombur. Give how little description of the dwarves we get in general, Bombur's weight is one of the most identifying characteristics.

Bombur slept on with a smile on his fat face, as if he no longer cared for all the troubles that vexed them.

Poor fat Bombur was asleep or senseless

Bombur would not come up either the rope or the path.
"I am too fat for such fly-walks," he said. "I should turn dizzy and tread on my beard, and then you would be thirteen again. And the knotted ropes are too slender for my weight."

but indeed most of them seemed to share his mind-except perhaps old fat Bombur and Fili and Kili.

"I daresay; but I am bound here till midnight," grumbled the fat dwarf.

For one thing Bombur was immensely fat and heavy.
all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 8:03pm


Views: 2254
What's funny to one person is unfunny to some other
It's also a personality thing. It's okay, no need to burn other people's tastes. As long as there will be no toilet humor, or below-the-waist jokes, it'll be fine.

I'm just seeing PJ giggling like a silly little girl while filming these scenes. Sly
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 8:03pm


Views: 2248
I thought it was funny
So shoot me. (I don't even know what "dumb fantasy staples" means, since I've never played D&D or Warcraft, or read fantasy books, or seen fantasy movies.)

In any event, I thought it was a very minor part of what is otherwise a very excellent little clip. After my disappoinment with TV clip 6, I am much more encouraged.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 8:07pm


Views: 2207
It keeps getting repeated ad nauseum that Tolkien was just full of fat jokes
Simply because he refers to Bombur's weight a few times in the Hobbit, and because that weight is inconvenient for the company once during the course of the entire story.

How does it follow that Tolkien's sense of humor is defined by fat jokes?

In characterizing Tolkien's humor in his stories, why focus on the small issue of Bombur's weight, and ignore so much of the subtle humor in his dialogue, such as the "good morning!" conversation, the dwarves' ridiculous expectation of a full pantry at Bag End, and the hilariously complicated system the dwarves devise for Bilbo to indicate he is in danger ("hooting like different kinds of owls, etc.)?

The book is full of whimsical absurdisms, and subtle humorous dialogue. This shows that Tolkien had a well-developed sense of humor that was far beyond PJ's farting and burping variety.

False equivalency, IMO.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 8:07pm


Views: 2233
The movie Dwarves definitely seem over-the-top compared to their literary counterparts...
They weren't overtly-comedic as PJ's troupe appears to be. Basically, much of their interaction seems to approximate the "Thorin & 12 Gimli's" that may people seemed to be worried about from early on in production. Hopefully they'll indeed mature as a group in Film 2...
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 16 2012, 8:07pm


Views: 2207
There will be plenty of these to come
In Reply To
It's also a personality thing. It's okay, no need to burn other people's tastes. As long as there will be no toilet humor, or below-the-waist jokes, it'll be fine.
Wink

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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 8:07pm


Views: 2244
Oh, please
Can't Tolkien keep even just one tarnish in his polished shield, shining high on his pedestal?

Tolkien is defintely making fun of Bombur's fatness. His size is biggest - his only - characterization, and gets brough up almost every time Bombur himself is brought up.

I like Tolkien's silly, child-like sense of humor, and how he admitted it and had no problem with it. Can't the man have any personality? Any faults? And dimensionality?
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 8:08pm


Views: 2211
I forget
What was in TV Spot 6, and why was it disappointing?

And I don't care if you like the humor. I don't. And I don't buy that it is in the spirit of Tolkien, or the Hobbit. That's all I am saying.

This is purely a matter of taste, and differing interpretations of what makes the Hobbit funny.


emre43
Rohan

Nov 16 2012, 8:09pm


Views: 2211
This
In Reply To
Can't Tolkien keep even just one tarnish in his polished shield, shining high on his pedestal?

Tolkien is defintely making fun of Bombur's fatness. His size is biggest - his only - characterization, and gets brough up almost every time Bombur himself is brought up.

I like Tolkien's silly, child-like sense of humor, and how he admitted it and had no problem with it. Can't the man have any personality? Any faults? And dimensionality?


emre43
Rohan

Nov 16 2012, 8:10pm


Views: 2216
If you don't care why do you keep continuing the argument? And what makes you think others care about your opinion?
 


Not_the_beard
The Shire

Nov 16 2012, 8:12pm


Views: 2198
Bilbo's expression
While it initially seemed odd to me, I feel like I can already see the context in which this works. The goblins were most likely about to tear him limb from limb when a dwarf diverts their attention with his weapon drawn. Because Bilbo appears to not be much of a threat, the dwarf is enough to distract the goblins to attack the dwarf, dropping Bilbo on their way. Bilbo, then is more relieved and confused than scared at this point, although he certainly is still frightened. He's just been saved from a rather unpleasant end. To me, his expression communicates this perfectly.


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 8:13pm


Views: 2194
Yep
Bombur is surely "the fat one" and that's all there is to him. PJ concentraing on this trait is only following Tolkien's lead.

However, I like it how in PJ's vision, Bombur is described as a shy person often put down by his more lively and talkative brother Bofur. Fat, shy people with hidden strenght and courage is a type of character I like a lot. Yay for capable shy people, yay for fat capable fat people!

Perhaps in the movie Bombur gets to be useful, unlike in the book where he is only a hinderance, making you wonder why he's there in the first place.
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Username4242
Bree

Nov 16 2012, 8:13pm


Views: 2232
People seriously need to relax.
Here's the bottom line:

Almost everything that appears in The Hobbit is going to bother some people, and be a cause for enjoyment in others. I see no problem with stating opinions, but that is the full extent of what these are. There's no need to degrade people for them.

I don't generally post here, but I think that this thread is getting a bit silly... Wink


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 8:15pm


Views: 2174
I care very much about his opinion
And he was responding to me.

I'm going damn sick of people trying to stifle the ability of others to express their opinion, just because it doesn't fit with the popular meme. Particularly, when the person is someone like SA is one of the brightest, most thoughtful posters around here. I often don't agree with him, but I always find his opinions interesting and worthwhile.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 8:15pm


Views: 2228
The humor in the Hobbit is whimsical and delightful for children
PJ's humor, on the other hand, is more on the adolescent spectrum. Perhaps appropriate for a PG-13 audience.

And please, with the "oh please." I am not polishing any turds here. I am simply describing what I believe to be the vast difference between how Tolkien treats humor, and how PJ does.

Bombur's weight is indeed highlighted for humor in the book, as I have said. But it is not an endless gag, and it does not suggest that Tolkien's humor is defined by it. We have already seen numerous examples of this gag in the trailers, and I expect we will see a lot more.

There are so many hilarious bits of dialogue in the Hobbit which indicate to me that Tolkien had a great way of making the English language comedic. The hilarious commentary on the modern British use of the language, enclosed within the famous "good morning!" exchange between Bilbo and Gandalf, is just one example.

I find many of these moments wonderfully subtle, and very perceptive in terms of his understanding of the English.

Am I allowed to have that opinion without being accused of kissing Tolkien's bottom?

I like Tolkien because I like his work. I don't defend him for ulterior motives. And when I don't love something of Tolkien's creation (such as the obvious evilness of "Wormtongue") I say it.


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Nov 16 2012, 8:22pm)


jimmyfenn
Rohan


Nov 16 2012, 8:15pm


Views: 2167
hmmm
no one seems to mention that the dwarves should all have long beards!

its a basic dwarf fact!!!!!
for quickbeam often laughed, he laughed if the sun came out from behind a cloud, he laughed if they came upon a stream or spring:


imin
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 8:15pm


Views: 2168
TV spot 6 has been the best so far...
imo. What about it did you not find appealing or disappointing?


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 8:17pm


Views: 2172
Aha, we already had Pippin farting in LotR!
Surely the Dwarves will be farting too. But no piss and poop, please! And no crude references to sexuality. Making comments about the looks of the girls is okay, for example the Dwarves comparing Elvish girls and Dwarven girls (and finding the Dwarf girls hotter!)
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 8:18pm


Views: 2222
I dont smell any farts so far
but i would expect that naughty, boisterous, dirty, cavernous, over the top, earthy, crazy, vigorous characters like these dwarves to burp and cheer and laugh and make jokes and drink and curse in Kuzdull and make fun of mr bilbo and whenever they are having a party, eating and drinking.

As to the meat and lighter food stuff...i find it appropriate in order to differentiate the lifestyles, cultures, choices and diets of these two races. So we can see the dwarves grumbling and sneering at everything elvish and the elves doing the same Laugh

I like that approach. And i also like the meat comment by Dwalin, it made me laugh. The dwarves at the table will be a lot of fun, i predict.

Oh and i have no conccept of what it is that you are talking about fantasy and D D , and what not...i doubt peter jackson knows as well.


(This post was edited by Lusitano on Nov 16 2012, 8:23pm)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 8:19pm


Views: 2209
Thanks, and likewise
Voronwe, who I agree with about 60% of the time, is gracious and thoughtful no matter what we are discussing.

I also do not understand this tendency to belittle people's opinion. Recently, I have been very positive about the films, and have even been belittled for that. It's a Catch 22! Smile

In this case, being told that my criticisms of PJ's humor is hogwash, and that I am not allowed to believe that Tolkien's humor is different (and if I do, I am just being an implacable purist) is more than a little frustrating.

But the very worst has to be: "Your opinion is rubbish. Go read the book again."

As if I really need that advice.


Kassandros
Rohan


Nov 16 2012, 8:20pm


Views: 2198
We're just used to it by now, I think.
Thorin, especially, should have a long beard. Ah well. There were bigger changes in LotR and I still felt the movies worked out amazingly well. Forest for the trees and all that.
all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 16 2012, 8:20pm


Views: 2198
Agreed!
And AUJ was always going to be the lightest of te trilogy. The film would be a lot different if we were getting one film, rather than 3. The Dwarves are on a journey too - I bet we will see all the characters mature through the story - and that is a vital element of Tolkien's book.

Maybe we should turn this thread around, and look at the positives! The acting was spot on, the landscape stunning, and a perfect teaser for what's to come.

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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 8:24pm


Views: 2256
And I don't love your comments and therefore say it...?
You were being very judgemental of the sense of humor presented here, saying you couldn't understand why someone would like it. That kind of mentality gets on my nerves, and therefore I replied the way I did. PJ's sense of humor isn't exactly the same as mine, but I appreciate the energy, the feeling that the actors are having fun with the characters.

And yes, I remember you more or less telling me that I shouldn't criticize Tolkien. Not like that, not like that. Tolkien has faults, and that's okay. He is capable of sutble sense of humor, but that doesn't make the silly humor go away, nor should it. Overseriousness is one of my beefs with this fandom (elitism is another.)
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Kassandros
Rohan


Nov 16 2012, 8:25pm


Views: 2181
I only disagreed
I never belittled your opinion, I don't think. I only disagreed with it. Just like you disagreed with my opinion about Tolkien's use of Bombur.
all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...


utku
Rivendell


Nov 16 2012, 8:25pm


Views: 2204
Dwarf women
To be honest I'll be disappointed if there isn't any joke on dwarf women. It shouldn't be anything nasty, or innuendo-like, but it's a really good opportunity for comedy. Smile Aragorn's little comment about beards was hilarious. Laugh


(This post was edited by utku on Nov 16 2012, 8:26pm)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 8:26pm


Views: 2193
But I am not arguing against personality and dimensionality
I am arguing for MORE personality and dimensionality in the humor, which is what I believe Tolkien's humor exhibited.

You are throwing up a strawman and knocking it down. As I said before, I want the very opposite of this "theme park" Middle Earth. In fact, I think the LOTR films were far too "theme parky." PJ removed a lot of the wonderfully dry humor of Frodo, a good amount of the inherent and often unintentional humor of Sam, some of the funnier dialogue from Gandalf and Aragorn, and the personality of the people of Gindor.

I want more of that personality and dimensionality, not less.

In short, I am asking for exactly what you are telling me I am not asking for.

Which is very, very confusing. Smile


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 16 2012, 8:27pm


Views: 2169
We will be seeing
Dwarf women, and some with their very own beards. So we might not get a joke, but you will see them.Smile

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 8:27pm


Views: 2185
Wasn't referring to you at all
You, as always, are the very picture of respectful.


Dlanor da Great
Rivendell


Nov 16 2012, 8:28pm


Views: 2193
Id assume Hobbits eat green food and dont know much about Dwarf Food,
 


ShireHorse
Rohan

Nov 16 2012, 8:28pm


Views: 2165
I thought it was funny, too, Voronwe.
And so did my husband and we're a long way from being children, enjoying childish humour.

I think a lot of the humour is in Tolkien's narrative/the words of the narrator and how he presents the story. Since we don't have Tolkien's voice here, the humour has to be translated in other ways.

I think that, in this first film, we will get a touch of everything, ranging from pratfalls and silly, childish humour to clever witticisms and irony. If the first film was dark and serious from the beginning , THEN we'd have something to moan about. It needs to be funny and even silly at the beginning in order to appreciate the darkness that starts to descend as they approach the Lonely Mountain and the real drama after the death of Smaug.

And I think that Bilbo's attitude to the dangers he is confronted with is all part of British humour - being phlegmatic and even saying something funny when confronted with a terrifying event. MF nails it.


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 8:28pm


Views: 2169
Too late for that now XD
I liked the spot a lot. It was much better constructed than the messy, fast-forwarded spots we had first. Also, a good shot of Ragast on his bunny sled! (I still claim it's an unpragtical choice of transportation in a forest.)
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


imin
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 8:31pm


Views: 2147
i hope if there are going to be jokes
Then i want the dwarves to joke about the elves. I would also hope the elves in this come across a little less super hero like. In the they didnt seem much different to men. Oh and i wish there were some bigger elves as in more muscular but that aint going to happen, lol.


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 8:32pm


Views: 2168
I don't like the way Freeman's delivery of some of the lines come across
But after watching it several times I realize that the lines that I don't like are the ones where we here him speaking, but we don't actually see him delivering the lines. They come across as too clipped and dismissive. But so much of Freeman's acting ability comes from his ability to use his expressive face. I am fairly confident that once I see the full scene in context, I will be pleased with it.

I like this spot better simply because it shows more of Bilbo's facial reactions.
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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 8:32pm


Views: 2162
But I'm not asking for more seriousness
I am simply asking for PJ to treat Tolkien's humor for what it is: funny.

And no, I never belittled anyone's sense of humor. As I said, if you like this sort of thing, all power to you.

I simply asked the question: What is funny about it?

When people answered what they find funny about it, I accepted it.

Just not my cup of tea. A matter of taste.

But I do get annoyed when I am told that I am being anal, or over-serious, or not any fun, just because I have a different opinion of what is, and what isn't, funny! In fact, if you look at a recent thread, you will find that I have a real appreciation for toilet humor. Particularly those that involve typos in statements like "I had to sit in the back of the theater." Smile

And for the record, if some of these scenes took place in another movie, such as Princess Bride or Men in Tights, I would laugh along with everyone else. It just jars in Middle Earth, that's all.

Hope that clarifies things.


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Nov 16 2012, 8:35pm)


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 16 2012, 8:33pm


Views: 2141
I can't get a good look at it
I have to use the Internet on my phone - so everything is very small (and slightly pixelated). In hoping DarkJackal will have screenshots up soon - I want to check out the birds around his head too.

I wonder if your point will be touched upon. Why not use a horse (or something larger) rather than grass eating bunnies?

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thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 16 2012, 8:33pm


Views: 2157
All Tolkien ever made Bombur was a fat joke (his only mention in the trilogy *is* a joke about how much fatter he became!) and an inconvenience
So PJ is following his lead in a way, yes. However, character descriptions have hinted that there may be more to Bombur, such as how he feels overshadowed by his brother Bofur, (and it's further hinted that he will play a more active role in combat), so I'm sure he will have more dimension than he did in the book, even if it's only a slight amount.


(This post was edited by thomasofrohan on Nov 16 2012, 8:34pm)


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 16 2012, 8:36pm


Views: 2138
There must be larger Elves
They can't all be trim! Being immortal AND fit is just too much of a dig at us humans!

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dave_lf
Gondor

Nov 16 2012, 8:36pm


Views: 2179
Humor wearing thin
Whoever cuts these things seem to think the funniest joke ever is to have a serious character say one thing while showing us a silly one doing the exact opposite. I'm getting a bit tired of that one.


But to be fair, complex, subtle humor doesn't lend itself well to trailer format. In a 30/60-second spot, all we're going to see are simple jokes that require no setup and that the viewer understands instantly. And they're going to be packed in far more densely than in the actual film.


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 8:37pm


Views: 2135
You're speaking of the dimensionality of the humor
and I'm speaking of the dimensionality of people being faulted/perfect.

The Themepark Middle-Earth has the Hobbits being like sugary children (they're adults and have sex, for Eru's sake!), Elves being devoid of any passion to the point of lacking pule (because being emotioneless is somehow "good" and "pure"?), Men are generic and noble (let's all forget that near-rape experience in Narn i Hín Húrin) and Dwarves don't have any personality, unless being Scottish counts as personality.

I just want to see them all be alive and silly and stupid, now that the fate of the world isn't in their hands. Bring out all of your millenia long grudges! Let your hair down! Take us to the normal everyday of M-E!

Ah, I'm tired of this discussion already. I just enjoy being in the opposition, and seeing people jump on the "the humor in this sucked" bandwagoon practically forced me to rise to arms.

Let's part as friends? Evil
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 16 2012, 8:37pm


Views: 2123
Here you go :)
http://imgur.com/a/OAkMp


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 8:37pm


Views: 2130
Good point
Honestly, based on some of what we have seen from Freeman, I think there will also be lots of great humor in the films.

I'm mostly just worried about some of the dwarves.


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Nov 16 2012, 8:37pm)


Dlanor da Great
Rivendell


Nov 16 2012, 8:38pm


Views: 2141
True. I never got the impression that Elves had cattle and livestock farms or were inclined to hunt animals in mass like Humans would.
 


(This post was edited by Dlanor da Great on Nov 16 2012, 8:38pm)


thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 16 2012, 8:40pm


Views: 2156
I like the bit with the dwarves being baffled by all the vegetables on the table, personally
As far as culture clash material is concerned, it's rather amusing. I suppose I have a terrible sense of humor, if some people are to be believed.


(This post was edited by thomasofrohan on Nov 16 2012, 8:42pm)


imin
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 8:41pm


Views: 2184
that's the reason i prefer tv spot 6
I feel we get to see a different side to Bilbo in number 6 compared to the others and he is acting at his most British (bringing it up as everyone here is, lol) with his reaction to you done much fighting :) I also like how it shows him standing up for himself a bit against Thorin and shows he is a nice hobbit who thinks he can be brave.

ultimately they use a fair amount of the same material - was just great to see something without some slapstick on the end as well - makes a change!

Thanks for your reply and i completely agree about MF - he can convey so much with just his face


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 16 2012, 8:41pm


Views: 2155
Thank you Carne :-)
They really are giant jackrabbits! And Mirkwood looks brilliant. I'm glad it looks so different to Fangorn.

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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 8:42pm


Views: 2179
It's okay
You know, you don't have to understand it, or accept it. Some things just are. Different sense of humor is one of them.

It's a curious thing. I've grown up in a certain part of Finland that has it's own local regional culture. My mother is from another part of Finland that's in many ways like country inside a country. Well, the people in that part of Finland have a completly different sense of humor than the people in this part. Whenever I go there, people never laugh at my jokes. And even though mom has lived 20 years here in the south, she still doesn't get our jokes. Sometimes I feel sorry for her, in many occasions it makes her an outsider.
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


imin
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 8:44pm


Views: 2161
yeah exactly
though my idea of trim would be more muscular than the (what i see as skinny) elves of the movies. Just doesnt make it believable that they are strong (not that size equals strength it doesnt but you do need some size to be strong, lol).

some fat/overweight elves or some more muscular but still lean elves would be nice to see - bit of variety i guess - they can still all be tall, just tall and different frames.

I do wish the dwarves didnt look so overweight as well - but that is pretty much going to happen if they are trying to make them look shorter.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 8:44pm


Views: 2179
Well, I did like Dori's "chagrined older brother" reaction to Ori's line. //
 
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 8:45pm


Views: 2165
Agreed!
Honestly, this conversation wasn't funny at all, and I was getting bored with it anyway. Friends it is! Smile

From now on, let us sit together in peace and harmony.


(This post was edited by Ataahua on Nov 17 2012, 2:23am)


Username4242
Bree

Nov 16 2012, 8:46pm


Views: 2170
Freeman's facial expressions--
You might appreciate this. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_3eizxJq5o


imin
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 8:50pm


Views: 2134
Love never mind the buzzcocks!
those were the good old days when Simon presented. So cutting and sarcastic - loved it, haha.

That was from an episode where they had MF and the other guy from gavin and stacey - not gavin do their sighing faces.


emre43
Rohan

Nov 16 2012, 8:50pm


Views: 2125
I didn't say you didn't care about his opinion friend, read my post again. He actually said he didn't care about yours in the first place.
P. S. Nobody is trying to stifle anybody's opinion either. But he said exactly the same thing about yours.


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 16 2012, 8:50pm


Views: 2159
Elrond's sons are a perfect example, in my opinion.
I imagine them much more like Eomer's physique, than any other elf in the trilogy.

But do they count, since they have been erased from Middle-earth?Wink

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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 8:50pm


Views: 2127
So it shall be.//
 
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 8:51pm


Views: 2140
Funny you should say that
My own mother, who moved from Italy to the United States in her 20s, and is now in her 70s, has progressed not one inch in her understanding of the American sense of humor (in this case, the Northeastern variety). In social settings, this often makes her quite the outsider. As a teenager, it would embarrass me. Not, I feel an awkward sense of pity...Though she is good-humored about her inability to connect, and we often laugh about it later on!


Tim
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 8:53pm


Views: 2116
I thought it was funny.
In Reply To
Elves are anorexic vegetarians and dwarves are burly meat eaters. OMG. The dwarves are mad about having to eat lettuce! Ha. ha. ha. Original. Hilarious.

Pffffttt.

I hope not all of the invented material revolves around hokey, unfunny D&D stereotypes.
So I'll laugh for ya. Laugh
-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.


thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 16 2012, 8:55pm


Views: 2113
Also, it's clear that not all the dwarves mind the vegetables
Dori looks annoyed that Ori doesn't want his, and we know Bifur is a vegetarian. So there will certainly be variety when it comes to the appetites of the dwarves.

And I'll join you in laughing too. I found it funny.


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 8:56pm


Views: 2112
They're all getting more characterization
Seeing how they all interact, how they're all now unique persons with stories of their own... it makes me sad they're not like that in the book too. I just love them all so much already, okay? And want them to take me on a magical, wild adventure with them? To laugh, to cry, to fear, to whine, to dream, to bother and be bothered... they're such an energetic bunch of boys. (Sorry Thorin, surely you're not a boy, but a very, very respectable Dwarven lord. Respectable.)
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 8:59pm


Views: 2128
The Elves of Mirkwood hunt deer
or that one could understand from the stag scene, when the Company hears the Elven hunting party in the distance, and the black stag jumps across the river.
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 9:00pm


Views: 2106
Correction
While I said so inelegantly, my point was simply that this is purely a matter of taste. By "I don't care," I meant that another persons opinion on what is funny does not have a bearing on my opinion. It is far too subjective.

In any event, my apologies to you or anyone else if I caused any offense. It wasn't my intention.

Oh, and: poop! Smile


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 16 2012, 9:02pm


Views: 2080
I think we will see them grow into their book counterparts
I think PJ and the team have made them an immature bunch (lots of burping and farting), so that we can see them grow during the rilogy. There's so many of them that they all need an ending - and becoming respectable Dwarven heroes is probably the best way of achieving this.

Bilbo's journey involved findig his magic ring, and becoming a queer fellow. The Dwarves also have personal journies - they all grow into heroes for their race.

That's what angle I think PJ is taking. And I'd be happy with that. Have the burping in AUJ, but show the progress they make as well.

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tolktolk
Lorien

Nov 16 2012, 9:02pm


Views: 2089
Ah, the sigh off!
Classic moment from the Buzzcocks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zarpQbhPr0


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 9:02pm


Views: 2082
I thought that was clear
But perhaps to someone who doesn't know you as well as I do, I was not.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 9:04pm


Views: 2114
Nope, just different
My apologies if my opinion came off as judgmental. That wasn't my intention. But looking back, I do realize that I wasn't very tactful or considerate.

And to be honest, I don't like green food very much either. Smile


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 9:06pm


Views: 2066
Right
But you don't REALLY think this trailer was funny, do you? Wink


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 9:06pm


Views: 2098
There and Back Again will probably be close to FotR in style (SPOILERS)
So it'll be quite serious and non-burbing, non-farting. After all, characters are going to die, and others will be close to death. PJ may have silly sense of humor, but he also knows how to be very high style when the time comes. That man loves his death and drama. (The arrival of the Rohan army at the Pelennor Fields, the death of Boromir, the arrival of Éomer to Helm's Deep...)
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 9:06pm


Views: 2079
Heathen!
Anyone who doesn't love kale and chard is a neanderthal!

Tongue
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 9:08pm


Views: 2086
Yes, pretty sure there's bats flying around Radagast
Not sure if they're chasing him, though, as we don't know if they're evil. They could be just part of the natural Mirkwood fauna. If they're Sauron's vampire bats, they're not as dramatic - or the scene isn't as dramatic - as you might have thought.
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 16 2012, 9:08pm


Views: 2262
Yup - there will be no room for jokes during the BO5A. /
 

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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 9:08pm


Views: 2257
Honestly?
Not really.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 9:08pm


Views: 2281
It's only barbecue and chitlins for me
And to further expose my hypocrisy, my official tagline is:

"Where's the meat?"

I was just angry that Dwalin stole my line, and isn't planning on paying me any royalties.


Cave Troll
Rivendell

Nov 16 2012, 9:10pm


Views: 2254
Me too.
 


imin
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 9:15pm


Views: 2222
Yeah that is how i have always imagined them to, good call :) //
 


imin
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 9:18pm


Views: 2237
I like a tagline by a guy called furious pete
he has changed PETA from people for the ethical treatment of animals to PETA - people eating tasty animals, haha!


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Nov 16 2012, 9:18pm


Views: 2231
We've moved on.
With the HUGE amount of information we've been getting over the last couple of months, something we were introduced to over a year ago isn't really that much of an issue. At least not enough to show up in every discussion.

Trust me, people (including myself) are still less than happy with Kili's stubble.


(This post was edited by Mooseboy018 on Nov 16 2012, 9:19pm)


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 9:19pm


Views: 2243
But then again, Gimli was still being obnoxious at the Black Gate in RotK:EE...
"Guess that's concludes negotiations"! But that actually wasn't that bad compared to many of his hijinks, so I wouldn't mind Dwarf one-liners at BoFA so long as they're not followed by flatulence. Wink
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 9:20pm


Views: 2203
Yucky!
 I'm highly omnivorous myself, but people making light of kindness/protection towards animals is just creepy (not directed at you Imim, rather this "Furious Pete" person).

BTW, on a clearly totally unrelated note, I'm the founder of "PETBA" - People for the Ethical Treatment of Balloon Animals. Cool
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Nov 16 2012, 9:24pm)


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 16 2012, 9:27pm


Views: 2198
Something like that is fine.
No killing orcs from burping or farting. Or loading Bombur into a catapult though.

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imin
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 9:30pm


Views: 2177
He is a competitive eater
So its part of his image i guess i dunno, he owns a pet dog and loves animals he just happens to like eating them, as do i. For myself when i saw it i thought it was hilarious but my sense of humour can be a little evil at times Tongue


Dlanor da Great
Rivendell


Nov 16 2012, 9:55pm


Views: 2205
When I watch this tv spot...
and see how they intend to play ori as young and innocent, i fear that future viewings of the FOTR Moria scene, will feel a bit sadder.Frown


jtarkey
Rohan


Nov 16 2012, 10:16pm


Views: 2160
My opinions of the tone are flip flopping along with these TV spots
I'll see one that gets me super pumped, then another that seems way to childish, then another one that's really emotional and awesome. GAHH. It's killing me. This is certainly one of the lesser spots so far. Or maybe, in comparison to TV spot #6, this one just seems so much worse.

I really hope the humour in this movie doesn't get in the way. I was hoping the lighter tone would be displayed through a more "adventurous" lens, rather than falling back on comedy to achieve it.
"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 10:18pm


Views: 2139
Who is farting??
i didnt see any farting dwarves...t«all this talk about farts has already caused me to have a nightmare about a month ago, in which one of the dwarves farted so bad and proudly that he knocked poor mr bilbo off his feet, back agaisnt the blazing fireplace...then he caught a fire on his bum and proceeded to encircle the dinner table, sprinting aroudn the party, yelling : OH DEAR OH DEAR ...

Crazy


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Nov 16 2012, 10:23pm


Views: 2105
I agree. Hence the movie will be horrible. //
 
"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Nov 16 2012, 10:29pm


Views: 2103
Perhaps Jackson should have handled the dwarves the same way Tolkien did...
...by making most of them, besides Thorin, completely irrelevant for most of the book, with virtually no speaking lines, and no discernible personalities, more like a giant mass of dwarves.

When I read the book, I couldn't care less about the dwarves. Most of them didn't do anything or say anything, besides Thorin and Balin.
"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien


macfalk
Valinor


Nov 16 2012, 10:30pm


Views: 2132
Living in denial
Tolkien did not need to insert the word "fat" every time he mentioned Bombur. Yet, he did - and I bet it wasn't for descriptive purposes, it was, as everyone else said, for the sake of humour. We are told that Bombur is fat from the first chapter, why remind us of it? Because it's a funny gag, and PJ is just following what Tolkien did. Tolkien LOVED making fun of Bombur's weight. Take the reference in LOTR, about him being so enormously fat. If that wasn't a Tolkienian attempt at humour, my name is Mickey Mouse!

PS: I think you have a hang-up with the word subtle Tongue


The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.

(This post was edited by macfalk on Nov 16 2012, 10:31pm)


jtarkey
Rohan


Nov 16 2012, 10:34pm


Views: 2085
I would have to agree...
Though I can't judge his treatment of the dwarves completely, I don't see a need to know all of them very well. Even in the cartoon version, I can tell which dwarf is which without seeing each of their individual personalities.

i can't help but think this is one of the reason 2 films became 3. The audience would have gotten to know each of the dwarves gradually as the films progress, instead of having these super distinct looks and personalities jump out at you.
"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Nov 16 2012, 10:35pm


Views: 2088
Editing is everything.
"Tone" is something that isn't necessarily inherent in the shots themselves. It's largely created by context, music, and pacing. These TV spots are not showing us the finished version of any of those. These scenes are all out of context (if not completely out of story order), even if they use Shore's music it isn't necessarily the music from that scene (in some cases, the dialogue isn't even from that scene, especially with the voice-overs), and the pacing is totally different than in the final film because they're trying to create and cram a mini-story into 30 seconds.

I think a great example of just how much these factors can affect a trailer are some of the recut trailers fans have made. My favorite is this one for Mary Poppins. All the scenes are from the movie, it makes use of music from the movie, totally different experience than the movie itself. Cool

Unless PJ is cutting these (which I doubt, I think it's the PR department at WB), I don't trust the tone or feel to match up to the finished product at all. If anything, I'd say that these spots show that the finished films will have many different tones at different times throughout the story, which is as it should be. They're just not successful when mashed together into 30 seconds.
Silverlode






Cave Troll
Rivendell

Nov 16 2012, 10:42pm


Views: 2068
I like the distinct personalities...
and don't see that decision as a misstep in the slightest tbh.

It's the depiction of the dwarves as a whole which could potentially prove problematic.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 11:04pm


Views: 2051
Enough of the armchair psychoanalysis, macfalk
You are the king of it, and it's annoying. I am not "living in denial," no matter what you think.

Perhaps I simply have a more focused appreciation of Tolkien's humor - particularly his subtle poking fun at the modern English way of speaking (primarily through Bilbo), which includes thousands upon thousands of words that either mean nothing, or mean one hundred different things, depending on the context? Smile

I think there is some wonderfully subtle humor in the Hobbit, and you just don't see that. Fine with me. Just don't presume to understand what state of mind I am, or am not, living in.

And as for Bombur's weight - as I have said multiple times, yes Tolkien described him as fat, and had a little fun with that with one line in LOTR. But his weight wasn't the subject of endless gags, as we can probably expect from PJ. Last I checked in the book, Bombur didn't break any furniture in Rivendell, or bash orcs with his stomach. He had to be carried in Mirkwood, and that's about it.


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Nov 16 2012, 11:11pm)


starlesswinter
Lorien

Nov 16 2012, 11:09pm


Views: 2062
Just because the TV spots are filled with humor
doesn't mean the film will be a comedy. After all, we've heard the soundtrack. There's very little "humorous" music in there, if at all. I'm willing to bet that whoever put together these TV spots focused on the comedy bits.


Kassandros
Rohan


Nov 16 2012, 11:13pm


Views: 2012
The presence of fat jokes does not mean there are not other kinds of humor
While I believe that Tolkien used Bombur as a fat joke, I don't in any way think that's the extent of the humor in the Hobbit. There are many kinds of humor in the book. Some more crude than others. I actually agree with many of the examples of humor you've cited. The owl hooting is definitely funny.

But, of course, this is much like the dual nature of The Hobbit in general. On the one hand, it is written like a children's book and includes a relatively straightforward adventure story. On the other hand, if you think about the characters, their motivations, and the themes involved, it's actually pretty dark and complex. How Peter Jackson handles this duality should be pretty fascinating.
all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 11:16pm


Views: 2000
Agreed
And in general, I don't mind the childishness of the Hobbit at all. However, I'm not afraid of PJ including childish humor. I am afraid of him including adolescent humor, which I find to be a completely different thing altogether. It's "gross out," "inside jokey vulgar (eg. 'toss me')" and "snickering" kind of stuff that I don't appreciate.


dormouse
Half-elven


Nov 16 2012, 11:23pm


Views: 2001
You shouldn't, you're right...
.... sometimes, reading the comments in here I wonder if I've wandered into a Harry Potter (or some other) forum where everyone's determined to prove that The Hobbit can't be as good as their pet film. I haven't, have I....... Evil

I'll never understand why people seem determined to find something to criticize in every new book/TVslot/trailer/interview/thing that comes out. I want to enjoy these films and there's one thing I know for sure. There will always be fault lines if you want to find them - nothing in life is perfect. But you have a lot more fun and enjoy a lot more if you go into it willing to pass over the faults and focus on the things you do like - and I've already seen enough to know that there will be a lot to like in these films.


HelmHammerHand
The Shire

Nov 16 2012, 11:23pm


Views: 2175
At 0:04 catches something...
...and if that isn't a sausage then i'm one!

So presumably there some meat coming from somewhere...


Kassandros
Rohan


Nov 16 2012, 11:26pm


Views: 2111
We'll see
A lot of the Bombur humor seems pretty childish. I can definitely imagine little kids laughing at Bombur breaking the bench in Rivendell or playing with food as we've seen. That seems to be in the fun spirit of Tolkien.

I do imagine there will be a bit of adolescent humor as well, but we'll see. I think a pack of 13 male dwarves will have to be a bit bawdy to be believable. Modern audiences, live action film, and all that. As long as they present the dwarves as having serious sides as well, then I'll be ok. And from what I've seen and heard, PJ will handle this well.

The fact that most of Gimli's more interesting aspects were ignored in LotR is what annoyed me the most. Why they made him so old, I have no idea. He was much more young and lively in the book. Playing to the grumpy old dwarf stereotype, I'm afraid. Thankfully, the gift-giving scene was stunning, and gave a glimpse of the real Gimli, at least.
all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...


TheSexyBeard
Lorien

Nov 16 2012, 11:28pm


Views: 2155
I found it funny
The way I see it the TV spots are just highlighting different aspects of the film: from Bilbo's courage, to suspense, action and highlighting that the film will have a lighter tone compared to LOTR.
Yes, my username is terrible.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 11:31pm


Views: 2124
For some, it's not about "focus"
For some, the "whole tapestry" is very important, and it is impossible to ignore the faults. Call it a high standard, but it is what it is. Most people are not trying to hate something, no matter how often you accuse them of it.

Me? I WANT to love these films possibly more than anyone here. Why? Because I didn't much like the LOTR films, and this may be the last chance in my lifetime to see Middle Earth brought to glorious life.

I really, really want to love these, but it is probably prudent to manage my own expectations.


starlesswinter
Lorien

Nov 16 2012, 11:31pm


Views: 2107
What's "inside jokey vulgar" about "toss me"?
I genuinely don't understand what you mean by that.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 11:37pm


Views: 2121
You just illustrated my point perfectly
Smile

As this is a family friendly site, here's a link. First entry. There has been a lot of non-official confirmation that PJ knew exactly what this meant, and included it for that reason (in an "inside joke" sort of way, much like the Wilhelm screams, etc).


Elenorflower
Gondor


Nov 16 2012, 11:40pm


Views: 2091
I must say I Totally agree with you SA
I get the feeling this 'humour' is somehow wrong, I wondered why I found the meat/green food thing so 'off'. and I think its because I was expecting in my imagination the gentle subtle humour of Tolkiens era. You know, the PG Wodehouse British thing. Where saying Good Morning to someone can drip layers of meaning and you smile to yourself because you 'get' the richness behind those simple words. Bit like Toad of Toad Halls Poop Poop!
what some people dont get is that dumbed down jokes about dwarves liking meat and Elves liking rabbit food is just not inkeeping and it feels wrong. .


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Nov 16 2012, 11:41pm


Views: 2098
What confirmation are you referring to?
 


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 11:43pm


Views: 2081
You said it far more elegantly, and with far fewer words, than I could
Thank you! Smile


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 11:45pm


Views: 2092
Non-official confirmation means
Lots of rumors coming from all sorts of places - fandom, the production team, etc.

It may not be true, but it sure seems to be true. Wink

Plus, I refuse to believe that he did not know what the phrase meant. It is widely understood in the Commonwealth nations!


starlesswinter
Lorien

Nov 16 2012, 11:45pm


Views: 2097
Ooohhh, I have never heard that term in my life
Well, you learn something new everyday....

I'm curious why you think Peter included the line for that reason, though. There's no sexual humor in the films elsewhere.


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Nov 16 2012, 11:47pm


Views: 2074
Any that you might reference?
Otherwise does it not seem vastly more likely to be a reference to dwarf-tossing?

LR


(This post was edited by Lacrimae Rerum on Nov 16 2012, 11:48pm)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 11:55pm


Views: 2075
I have absolutely ZERO hard evidence
Smile

My understanding is that he knew there was a double meaning to it.

But if, for whatever reason, he was only aware of the dwarf-tossing reference, it is still pretty low brow, vulgar and bordering on offensive stuff.

Dwarf-tossing is actually not very funny, and has resulted in the deaths of some dwarfs in the United States.


Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 17 2012, 12:03am


Views: 2038
Never heard of that term either
And I seriously doubt that's what PJ was thinking when he included it.


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Nov 17 2012, 12:06am


Views: 2041
Oh well.
I suppose the actual details of the complaint are rather secondary.

LR


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 12:08am


Views: 2054
Either way
I find it to be one of his more vulgar jokes.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Nov 17 2012, 12:11am


Views: 2029
Well thanks for that
Let's find some other unpleasant things to talk about, or can we please drop the wild speculation that does nothing but paint PJ in an unpleasant light sans facts?
-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Nov 17 2012, 12:21am


Views: 2021
Thanks for sharing your findings.
My own view is that humour is an extraordinarily personal and contextual thing. I find it extraordinarily easy to say that I don't find something funny without being perjorative.

LR


Seaber
Rivendell

Nov 17 2012, 12:24am


Views: 2011
It doesn't make sense
So I doubt it was intended in that way. It's a rather vague euphemism. It's strange to include the dwarf-tossing refference though.

A thought about the food situation, perhaps large wildlife, such as boars and deer are not common around Rivendell, or have been eaten by the trolls. I can see elves hunting, but I don't imagine they are big on farming animals, so perhaps they only have fruit and veg on the menus.


Beutlin
Rivendell

Nov 17 2012, 12:32am


Views: 2042
Vulgar in-jokes in "FOTR"?
So what? Are we eleven years old? Is this a bible-wielding meeting group for the upholding of good ol' Christian morals? Sometimes your comments seem like parody, SA.
Ceterum censeo montem artis magicae atrae esse delendum.

(This post was edited by Silverlode on Nov 17 2012, 2:05am)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 12:41am


Views: 1999
The mere idea of dwarf-tossing
Is pejorative, so I have no qualms about "painting PJ in a negative light" for using it as the subject of a crude joke.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 12:44am


Views: 1990
I understand
So now having a different sense of humor than Peter Jackson is the equivalent of being a Bible-wielding fanatic. Not that I should have to explain myself, but I am a liberal Democrat agnostic, for the record.

By the way, I am not sure how we got back into arguing about this issue. It had all been peacefully resolved a few pages back...Crazy


(This post was edited by Silverlode on Nov 17 2012, 2:06am)


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Nov 17 2012, 12:48am


Views: 1985
You mistake me.
Though I'm not sure why. You have spent a large number of posts explaining why a variety of humour you enjoy is subtle, erudite and hilarious, whilst humour you do not is crud, low brow, crude and vulgar.

I'm sure that I don't need to insult your EI by explaining that repeated references to humour which others apparently enjoy in such extreme terms ultimately spreads the disdain beyond the subject and the author.

LR


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 12:53am


Views: 1973
I am perfectly accepting of people
Who enjoy crude, low brow and vulgar jokes. In fact, in certain settings, and certain films (let's say, some of PJ's gore movies, Army of Darkness, and Robin Hood: Men In Tights) I enjoy lots of crude, low brow and vulgar jokes. In fact, with certain groups of friends, toilet humor is a general rule.

For me, context is everything. In films based on Tolkien, I find this sort of humor very inappropriate.

So no, there is no implication, whether you think there is or not, that people who enjoy crude, low brow and vulgar jokes are in some way inferior. Why? Because I enjoy it myself. Quite often, to be honest.

I just don't care for it in Middle Earth.

This may explain why I mistook you earlier.


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Nov 17 2012, 12:54am)


Beutlin
Rivendell

Nov 17 2012, 12:55am


Views: 1992
You do not have to explain yourself and you do not need to like Jackson's humour.
I know that you are a liberal, but your arguments against that scene's humour were ethical. You did not just say that this is not your kind of humour; you condemned it for its political incorrectness and unclean vulgarity. And criticising humour from an ethical point of view is not liberal at all, it's rather reactionary.
Ceterum censeo montem artis magicae atrae esse delendum.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 12:59am


Views: 2220
Not if the subject of that humor
Are real-life dwarfs who have died as a result of "dwarf-tossing." It is a sickening practice, and I feel perfectly liberal and humane for being opposed to it, and for criticizing those who use it as fodder for humor.

And I don't see what is so reactionary about that. I am not saying people should not be allowed to joke about dwarf-tossing. I just reserve the right to call them insensitive if they do so.

This issue extends far beyond the bounds of political correctness. People die as a direct result of dwarf-tossing. Ha ha? Not so much.

EDIT: And when exactly were ethics divorced from liberalism? I am a liberal Democrat (in the American, not the European sense of the term) and my political philosophy is deeply grounded in a set of ethical norms regarding liberty, justice, equality and fairness. I am not an ethical relativist, which is an entirely different beast.


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Nov 17 2012, 1:01am)


Elenorflower
Gondor


Nov 17 2012, 1:03am


Views: 2203
erm
I think SA did explain that he liked the odd poop joke as much as the next person. Its not that he is anti vulgarity, he is anti vulgarity and cheap laughs in Tolkien based films. Which is fair enough.
There is no need for it. In another film jokes about farting and or cake stuffing big guys would be perfectly reasonable and funny, in the Hobbit/LOTR. not so much. It kind of cheapens the atmosphere IMO.


Bombadil
Half-elven


Nov 17 2012, 1:05am


Views: 2223
Bomby Stands alone..what a Weird Thread..?
Honestly
Tension Much?
Bomby is feeling like packing my Bags
and Heading for Rocky Mountains..

Un-Plugging from the Internet
Until.
These "Evil Winds from the East" blow over..
I'll be "Not listening ..Not until slandering each other
STOPs..
Namarie'


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 1:07am


Views: 2195
Thanks Elenor
I did indeed explain that earlier in the thread. I imagine LR just missed it, which is why she may have assumed I was being disdainful. It would certainly be an understandable conclusion, if that's the case.

I also apologized to anyone that may have been inadvertently offended by my rather strong opinions. And I'll apologize again.

I'll also reiterate, just to end this silly bit of tension:

I like poop jokes. Just not in Middle Earth! Smile


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Nov 17 2012, 1:09am)


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Nov 17 2012, 1:10am


Views: 2185
And they may be accepting of you.
But that is not at issue. Those responding do not claims to be people who enjoy crude, low brow, vulgar crud and do not say that what they enjoy fits that description. (There is also no discussion of toilet humour, by the way, before we head off down that road.)

You can choose to not mind about whether people feel insulted and that is your prerogative but defining people in those terms is very likely to result in insult (as it clearly has for a number of posters).

And to be honest a phrase like "I don't care for this sort of humour in ME" does an extraordinarily similar job without the implications about those with contrary views.

LR


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 17 2012, 1:10am


Views: 2186
Poop jokes
Make me think of Radagast nowadays Unimpressed
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 1:14am


Views: 2191
I'm not sure if you noticed
But those tensions seemed to have been largely resolved around page 7, where I both apologized and agreed to disagree. So, you are fanning dead flames, unfortunately. Let's just leave it there, if we can.

Here was the resolution with Faenoriel, if you're interested:

Quote
Honestly, this conversation wasn't funny at all, and I was getting bored with it anyway. Friends it is! Smile

From now on, let us *** together in peace and harmony.


(This post was edited by Altaira on Nov 18 2012, 7:09pm)


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Nov 17 2012, 1:15am


Views: 2171
Oh I read all of that.
However, what SA enjoys is not at issue. Offering the comment on a stranger's partner, "It's ok, I sometimes go out with ugly people too" wouldn't be any less offensive even were it true.

LR


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Nov 17 2012, 1:16am


Views: 2195
I think you can trace the current discussion back to its source
Very straightforwardly.

LR


Elenorflower
Gondor


Nov 17 2012, 1:22am


Views: 2173
howzabouthis?
A hobbit was terribly overweight so her doctor put her on a strict diet,
"I want you to eat regularly for 2 days,then skip a day,& repeat this procedure for 2weeks.The next time I see you ,youl have lost at least 5pounds"
When the Hobbit returned, she shocked her doctor by losing 20 pounds.
"Why thats amazing! the Dr said,"did you follow my instructions?"
The Hobbit nodded."Il tell you though,I thought I was gonna drop dead on the 3rd day!"
"From hunger,you mean?"
"No,from skipping!"


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 1:22am


Views: 2174
As I said, I apologized for my tone earlier
I am perfectly aware of the fact that my indelicate comments started the heated exchange. That is why I chose to apologize. So your reprimand is late, though I won't say undeserved. If I offended you in any way, you have my apologies as well.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Nov 17 2012, 1:54am


Views: 2149
Eh, I thought the dwarf tossing joke in the movie was funny in its context
And I liked just about all the humor in LOTR, including the hobbits farting with the lembas. I don't really think this is the place to discuss anything else more disgusting than a dwarf making a joke about being thrown about.
-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.


Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Nov 17 2012, 1:55am


Views: 2151
*ahem* Was that a deliberate typo? *eyes SA verrry suspiciously*//
 
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Ataahua
Forum Admin / Moderator


Nov 17 2012, 2:22am


Views: 2116
I'm putting a belated end to this subthread.
There has been too much discussion of board members rather than the topic at hand. A reminder to everyone to please not descend to personal comments or they will be removed.

If anyone has an issue with a particular post, please alert an admin (either on Feedback or by private message) and we'll handle it.
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Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
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Sauron: "Mine's better."

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entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Nov 17 2012, 2:29am


Views: 2094
Lots of people do
I would normally delete a response like this, since it violates our Terms of Service, however I see that others have responded, and removing your post will also take away those responses.

However, the next personal attack will be deleted, and official warnings might ensue.


DarkJackal
Rohan


Nov 17 2012, 2:38am


Views: 2105
This is true
The soundtrack gives me hope that much of these funny bits will be bits only. I like some of it, while some is too simple for my taste (I take no aggressive stand on anything!) but most of Shore's music grips you like a rabid warg that won't let go for hours.
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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 2:43am


Views: 2115
That's my hope as well
I have quite a few reasons to be positive, actually.

1. The glorious soundtrack
2. Freeman's perfectness as Bilbo, and excellent comedic timing
3. What I have seen of Armitage thus far
4. Lots of Ian McKellen
5. Dwarf history (I really love this stuff)

My only real worry is that the humor invented for some of the dwarves will be so ridiculous that it spoils the soup.


burgahobbit
Rohan


Nov 17 2012, 2:45am


Views: 2083
I think that it is the way down into Rivendell //
 


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Nov 17 2012, 4:35am


Views: 2078
It may be that he had never tried it, assumed he wouldn't like it,
then relished it upon actually having some. . . unless he was devouring it at Bag End. . . in which case. . . foolishness.
In Reply To
Now hang on. On the scroll, you were gleefully taking a bite out of a piece of salad. Make up your mind, Ori Tongue

Seriously though, why wouldn't the elves have meat?
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


emre43
Rohan

Nov 17 2012, 7:08am


Views: 2012
What? Why am I the one accused of a personal attack?
I only said that what Shelob's Appetite said about not caring about other's opinion could be said by other towards his. Maybe I was inelegant in doing so but I didn't use abusive language, I didn't swear, I stated my opinion on somebody else's opinion. It just angers me when people have an opinion and they are simply dismissed, I live in a democratic country and in my country we have something called freedom of speech. I was offended myself by Shelob's Appetite's post for dismissing someone's opinion, but as we both know, he won't have a word said tohim as he is a revered poster here and I am just a greenhorn.


dormouse
Half-elven


Nov 17 2012, 8:10am


Views: 2000
It's not a case of accusing anybody of anything...
What I'm seeing here is a tendency to build up a checklist of 'things I don't like about this film' before anyone has even seen the film. People are drawn into the flow of negativity and go along with it - isn't that what everyone thinks, and isn't it easier to go along with the crowd, and yes, good point, this or that three second clip of film seems wrong/out of keeping/not what they'd imagined. Before we know where we are, people will be going into the cinema with their judgements of the film already made - and that's not the key to enjoy it, if enjoying it is really what you want to do. It isn't for me, anyway. I know, because I went through all this before Fellowship came out, even without the help of an internet forum, and only realised I'd actually enjoyed the film after it was over.

The film will not be The Hobbit as I've imagined it, or as you have. It would be pointless and rather insular to expect that. There will be things that you or I or anyone else here would have done in another way, or not have done at all. (And please don't assume that your standards are higher than mine, or anyone else's here. They aren't. They're just different.) But surely, if you want to love the film the way to do that is to accept it as it is first. Let it unfold in front of your eyes as a whole piece of cinema - don't fight it, or try to fit it into some preconceived image of what it ought to be. Let it be what it is and look for the good in it or you won't see it, even when it's right in front of your eyes.


emre43
Rohan

Nov 17 2012, 8:22am


Views: 1987
I just wanted to say fair play mate and well said. I apologise as well and all the best.
 


Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Nov 17 2012, 8:27am


Views: 1973
On the other hand..
Sometimes one can enter a thread like this about the latest brief spot and it's a feeling of stepping into "The Emperor's New Clothes..." the majority seem to think what you have just watched is peerless and without reproof, you sit there wondering what it is they all see in it.

It can be incredibly encouraging to see even a few dissenting voices who seem to have had the same reaction as you! Angelic

"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort






dormouse
Half-elven


Nov 17 2012, 9:08am


Views: 1963
Well, yes....
I suppose it depends which direction you want to be encouraged in.....Wink


imin
Valinor


Nov 17 2012, 9:14am


Views: 1929
That's one way of looking at it
Another is that it keeps expectations more in check with reality. Most people here myself included loved the lord of the rings trilogy so much so that one cant help feel that this movie is going to be the best thing ever and will repeat how i felt about the lord of the rings or even top it.

People's 'negative' comments are just their worries as they want it to be good but dont have much at all to go on and so over analyse every little piece of information, screen shot or 30 second clip of reworked footage.

When the film is released and we are sitting in the cinema, people wont have time to sit and ponder the look of a certain shot as it will be seen then gone - it will be much more a case of just experiencing the movie and suspending ones disbelief than running through a mental checklist or noting with pen and paper the errors of the film.

Personally i see far more positivity for this film than negativity and i feel there is more 'pressure' to be positive even if i think something looks rubbish. Doesnt mean i have made judgements on the film it just means my unrealistically high expectations are brought back to a level which it should be. There are many on here who are so satisfied with everything they have seen so far it makes me think they would like anything that was put out by PJ and the studio, now maybe PJ's humour and theirs is an exact fit but they havent seen the film either yet so maybe they should hang back on having an opinion on the film otherwise they might not realise they didnt enjoy it until it was over and feel really sad? Its like we cant have an opinion as we havent seen anything - actually we have seen a little bit and from that people are commenting. I doubt many have fully made up their minds over the film - if they have then they wont go if they think it looks bad.


Bombadil
Half-elven


Nov 17 2012, 9:22am


Views: 2001
This Thread may go down in the History of TORn,s Boards as the
"Battle of 50 WORDSmithies?"

Breath Deep the Gathering Gloom
As theatre Lights Dim
And Peace is Restored
On Screen.


macfalk
Valinor


Nov 17 2012, 9:25am


Views: 1916
Sorry if you took any offence
The "Living in denial" title was just for fun, that you denied that Tolkien made fun of Bombur, I was definately not trying to presume what "state of mind" you are living in - it was just about this very small debate of Bombur. I would definately not go any deeper on such a trivial debate...maybe I should have included more smileys, this reminds me once again why jokes often do not work on forums. Smile

As for subtle humour, I agree that there are lots of wonderful, subtle things in The Hobbit, not just the humour. It's just that the word "subtle" very often pops up in your posts, and I felt like mentioning it Cool


The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 17 2012, 11:16am


Views: 1742
I was thinking the exact same thing Bomby!
Who thought such a small clip could evoke such a thread!

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aifeme
Rivendell


Nov 17 2012, 2:09pm


Views: 1684
I've just read the entire thread
and I totally agree with You. I worry about TH will be too 'funny'...I don't like that predictable, obvious style of comedy from trailers and TV spots as well.


(This post was edited by aifeme on Nov 17 2012, 2:10pm)


entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Nov 17 2012, 2:12pm


Views: 1696
There is no freedom of speech
in a private forum. I don't know how it works in other countries, but in the US, it's only the government that is not allowed to restrict your freedom of speech.

This is a private message board, and our Terms of Service say that personal comments directed toward other members are not allowed. The admins are here to monitor the interactions between posters, so if you have a problem with what someone says, it's better to contact an admin instead of correcting the problem yourself.

It's because you are new that I'm taking the time to explain our rules. It's not about preferring someone who has been here longer. I just thought that you might want a reminder of the Terms of Service that you agreed to when you registered for this site.

We also respect people's privacy here, so if you have further communication about this topic, let's take it to private messages.


Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Nov 17 2012, 2:15pm


Views: 1679
Not just Radagast...
For anyone who thinks PJ's humour can't sink any lower, wait until you see the Goblin King on his toilet - I mean, throne - complete with sound effects, apparently... Crazy

"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort






(This post was edited by Eleniel on Nov 17 2012, 2:17pm)


Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 17 2012, 2:28pm


Views: 1666
Which makes sense
Where else is he going to take a dumb if he can barily move?

Plus Humphries only mentioned the toilet, not that we'll necessarily see it in the movie.


(This post was edited by Carne on Nov 17 2012, 2:28pm)


Elenorflower
Gondor


Nov 17 2012, 3:00pm


Views: 1643
I tend to look at things
as you described imin. I suppose I need to feel that I must keep a check on my wild enthusiasm to see these films, I have literally been waiting all year for this, and I am afraid to get too caught up in it all and then it all fall flat in the cinema. So I am having a little moan about little things, (not the big things) and it gives me the illusion I am being pragmatic, but inside I am quite worried and jumping up and down in anticipation.
and the only High Horse I intend to ride is Shadowfax.


Bombadil
Half-elven


Nov 17 2012, 3:18pm


Views: 1663
Okay Sooo..Who Won this WordSword...Battle?
Was. It the Book Puristazz..
The Canoistazz..
The FilmFirsterzzz..
The CinemoPhilezz...
The PJHordieszz..
The Opinioistaszzz...
The SmartestGuysInRoomsters...

This loneStandBYGuy?..
Knows when to Step Away
away from ATrainWreak
Heart


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Nov 17 2012, 3:28pm


Views: 1617
Bombadil
wins.

Smile


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 4:01pm


Views: 1592
I assure you, I am not revered
Smile

Just as an FYI, the other poster you are referring to is a good friend, and he knows exactly what I meant in my post. I was not dismissing him or his opinion. I was simply making the point that humor is subjective, and that someones opinion about the humor of something would not effect my own.

In any event, I believe this conversation is over.

-SA


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 4:02pm


Views: 1615
The answer is clear
Bombadil wins, as always. Smile


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Nov 17 2012, 4:02pm)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 4:04pm


Views: 1593
That's a self-inflicted situation
Peter made the decision to have the GK be so fat, that he can barely move. That was his choice. Didn't have to be that way.

Plus, I think Jabba the Hutt worked just fine without the audience needing to know about his bathroom habits...


Bombadil
Half-elven


Nov 17 2012, 4:06pm


Views: 1588
Coming from You... SA..Your Vote counts as 13!///
 


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 4:07pm


Views: 1593
The returns are in
And we have:

Bombadil: 14 votes
People arguing over two seconds of footage from a trailer: 0 votes

I would call that a mandate! Smile


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 4:11pm


Views: 1590
No worries
As I said earlier, I was just upset that Dwalin stole my trademark line: "Where's the meat?"

Plus, I have been maintaining a very positive high since the soundtrack was revealed, and the last two spots were aired (the Japanese one, and the "Bilbo speech" spot, which were both excellent) that this one temporarily burst that bubble.

In any event, Bombadil wins!


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Nov 17 2012, 4:15pm)


Bombadil
Half-elven


Nov 17 2012, 4:13pm


Views: 1584
Where are..they Countin' thezz..FLORIDAH? ///
 


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 4:17pm


Views: 1577
Hopefully not!
But even if they were, I think the disparity is wide enough that a recount will not be necessary!

Update: CNN, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, Fox, the White Council and the Last Homely House have now officially called it. Bombadil is the winner of this thread!


Kassandros
Rohan


Nov 17 2012, 4:19pm


Views: 1579
This is the first time I've ever heard of real life "dwarf tossing"
Just looked it up. Wow.

I thought the joke was just about Gimli's pride expressed in FotR and then having to swallow it in TTT. Never had any idea it referred to any real life practices. This is obviously intentional, however. Oy.

As for the other meaning of "toss me", I just don't see that being intentional. It doesn't sound like that at all in context. I think it's just a dwarf tossing joke.
all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 4:20pm


Views: 1575
That may be right
But either way, IMO, its not very funny!


Kassandros
Rohan


Nov 17 2012, 4:33pm


Views: 1577
It's quite funny if ya've never heard of real life dwarf tossing...
You have a very proud Gimli forced into asking for something humiliating for a greater good. It's funny. It also characterizes him very well. Show's his heart is bigger than his pride, a very big thing for a dwarf. This says a lot about Gimli.

However, now that I know about the real life dwarf tossing, this can all be seen as making fun of dwarfs asking to be respected and to be treated like people. That'd be like Lurtz saying something like, "The white man's always trying to keep us down!" or using "Kill whitey!" as a battle cry. I imagine most of us would be very uncomfortable with that. Don't see how it's any different with dwarfs, who have a long history of being marginalized and abused.
all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...


Kassandros
Rohan


Nov 17 2012, 4:41pm


Views: 1539
On the other hand
If the practice were something considered to be funny and good-natured by the dwarf community, that'd be a different matter.

But given what I've read on Wikipedia, that does not appear to be the case.

And i've watched all the Director's commentaries on the original extended editions. Not sure how I missed this.
all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 4:51pm


Views: 1537
Right
Dwarfs universally do not find it to be a laughing matter. I imagine most dwarfs watching those scenes were not amused...

But I agree that if one is unaware of the contemporary reference, it could be funny. Gimli swallowing his pride, and all that.


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 17 2012, 4:52pm


Views: 1535
Yes, we could aswell all stop trying. Bomby always wins! //
 
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Bombadil
Half-elven


Nov 17 2012, 4:53pm


Views: 1546
Now don't be Hasty..Votes are Pouring in..from..
Mount Gundabad..& Throughout Angmar?

The BarrowWrights voted By Absentee
Ballot...


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 17 2012, 4:54pm


Views: 1895
Dunno who won, but
we were all kept busy for a time. Yet we still have quite a lot of those times to go while waiting for the film! What shall we argue about next?
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 4:56pm


Views: 1886
How about this
Is Rhode Island a road or an island?

Discuss.


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 17 2012, 4:58pm


Views: 1881
Whether the talking purse should be included or not! ;-) /
 

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Bombadil
Half-elven


Nov 17 2012, 5:06pm


Views: 1877
Daniel ..if a Purse has a voice.. it.. should have aaa..Vote?///
 


(This post was edited by Bombadil on Nov 17 2012, 5:08pm)


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 17 2012, 5:11pm


Views: 1886
What, like the X Factor?
Obviously it would be called Purse Factor, and I'd by a judge.

Tongue

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imin
Valinor


Nov 17 2012, 5:53pm


Views: 1852
Should we be calling you Tulisa now? :P //
 


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 17 2012, 6:01pm


Views: 1843
God no! Can't stand the woman! /
 

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imin
Valinor


Nov 17 2012, 6:06pm


Views: 1839
Lolz
i didnt think you would. i dont really have much opinion on her as i dont watch x factor at all so all i have really heard of her was from Russel Howard's Good News tv show on BBC 3.

If you know what video she has been in, his comedy about her is very funny Tongue



As for the debate in this thread - dont think it was too heated, some in the past were more so. All i can say is, cant wait for the discussion on tv spot 8, haha.


dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Nov 17 2012, 7:08pm


Views: 1833
A rhoad.
One hour-long interstate! Half of which is through heavily congested built-up area, the other half through empty countryside. (And there's an exit for Wyoming. Seriously.)

And Rhode Island itself is called Aquidneck Island on maps, so if you're looking for the island, you can't find it...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"I desired dragons with a profound desire"






starlesswinter
Lorien

Nov 17 2012, 7:16pm


Views: 1822
Wait, how do we know this?
The only mention I've seen of the toilet is in the Official Movie Guide, and I'm pretty sure Barry Humphries's entire interview is very tongue-in-cheek.


burgahobbit
Rohan


Nov 17 2012, 8:06pm


Views: 1788
I completely agree Bombadil!
Couldn't have said it better myself. I'm loving the Hobbit spot, and I'm hating the thread. Settle down everyone!


Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Nov 17 2012, 8:09pm


Views: 1770
Well, I was hesitant myself to post about it, originally...
But others who have the book seem to agree that there must be a grain of truth in it for it to be published in an official guide!

Likewise about the GK singing - Humphries makes a joke of it but the author goes to the trouble of citing Humphries' singing credentials, and mention of the GK singing also appears in further detail in the Visual Companion.

I guess we'll find out eventually!

"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort






Dlanor da Great
Rivendell


Nov 17 2012, 8:29pm


Views: 1773
RI is officially known as THE STATE OF RHODE ISLAND AND PROVIDENCE
 RI is officially known as THE STATE OF RHODE ISLAND AND PROVIDENCE
PLANTATIONS. It is made up of many islands ,the largest of which is Aquidneck island ,also known as Rhode island, which is where the name of the state came from. It also has many roads ,the interstate 95, 195 and 85 being significant ones. Hopt that helped Tongue


totoro
Lorien

Nov 18 2012, 2:57am


Views: 1747
lol. I was on the receiving end of his gracious apathy when I first got here.
He always wins. Make peace with it and move on. Heart
In Reply To
I only said that what Shelob's Appetite said about not caring about other's opinion could be said by other towards his. Maybe I was inelegant in doing so but I didn't use abusive language, I didn't swear, I stated my opinion on somebody else's opinion. It just angers me when people have an opinion and they are simply dismissed, I live in a democratic country and in my country we have something called freedom of speech. I was offended myself by Shelob's Appetite's post for dismissing someone's opinion, but as we both know, he won't have a word said tohim as he is a revered poster here and I am just a greenhorn.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 18 2012, 6:40am


Views: 1703
I don't remember winning anything
And if I did, I still haven't received my reward! (which I understand is pies)


emre43
Rohan

Nov 18 2012, 11:12am


Views: 1723
Haha yeah I'm going to have to. I haven't been given much choice in the matter.
In Reply To
He always wins. Make peace with it and move on. Heart
In Reply To
I only said that what Shelob's Appetite said about not caring about other's opinion could be said by other towards his. Maybe I was inelegant in doing so but I didn't use abusive language, I didn't swear, I stated my opinion on somebody else's opinion. It just angers me when people have an opinion and they are simply dismissed, I live in a democratic country and in my country we have something called freedom of speech. I was offended myself by Shelob's Appetite's post for dismissing someone's opinion, but as we both know, he won't have a word said tohim as he is a revered poster here and I am just a greenhorn.


Elenorflower
Gondor


Nov 18 2012, 11:56pm


Views: 1118
PIES??!!!
wot. where? are they apple pies? hot and strudely with fresh cream? yum.


imin
Valinor


Nov 19 2012, 2:35am


Views: 799
Steak and kidney - a true hobbit pie! yum yum! :) /
 


Jettorex
Lorien


Nov 19 2012, 2:46pm


Views: 834
Dwarves in the book
are like the keystone cops. So much for the idealized, noble, proud ancient race of dwarves that some think PJ is somehow changing and ruining. I'd rather have them be funny than total bufoons.

I actually hope PJ portrays them as somewhat more....capable.

- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."


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