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TV Spot 6!



Arandir
Gondor


Nov 14 2012, 6:31pm


Views: 3922
TV Spot 6!

Here you go:

https://www.facebook.com/...?v=10101828951059236 Cool


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 14 2012, 6:34pm


Views: 2344
Love it!

I already feel moved by Bilbo's little speech ...Unimpressed

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Escapist
Gondor


Nov 14 2012, 6:35pm


Views: 2333
Simply beautiful!

This is great!


Flame of Udun
Rivendell


Nov 14 2012, 6:35pm


Views: 2402
This one was...different

It gave me a whole new perspective on how Bilbo will be played by Freeman. Was it just me or did that little laugh Bilbo did seem a bit odd?

"'Ai! ai!' wailed Legolas. 'A Balrog! A Balrog is come!'
Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Durin's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand. What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.''


dormouse
Half-elven


Nov 14 2012, 6:36pm


Views: 2357
I love the opening scene of that...

It has that same quality that a lot of the LotR scenes do - makes me want to start drawing.


elevorn
Lorien


Nov 14 2012, 6:38pm


Views: 2271
Oh I'm not gonna make it through the wait!!!//

 



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DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 14 2012, 6:39pm


Views: 2379
I suspect Thorin asks Bilbo

Whether he's done much fighting, and then Bilbo does his speech (so its been edited the other way round.)

The laugh doesn't seem odd to me.

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Ayiana
The Shire


Nov 14 2012, 6:40pm


Views: 2294
My favourite TV Spot so far

I love Bilbo's speech.


Flame of Udun
Rivendell


Nov 14 2012, 6:46pm


Views: 2256
That would make more sense

IMO the laugh just seemed a tiny bit forced. I know it's a nervous laugh and all, but hopefully, like the faint, it will flow better in full context

"'Ai! ai!' wailed Legolas. 'A Balrog! A Balrog is come!'
Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Durin's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand. What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.''


Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 14 2012, 6:51pm


Views: 2248
Nice to get a good amount of Bilbo dialogue!

Oh, and as mentioned I don't think Thorin's question takes place in this scene, as he's seen saying it in Bag End in another TV spot.

Here it is on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxrW2T1F8KA

Great Goblins's throne at 00:10, and what appears to be him on the floor.


(This post was edited by Carne on Nov 14 2012, 6:55pm)


thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 14 2012, 6:53pm


Views: 2196
Sounds fine to me

I don't think it was supposed to be just nervous laughter with the way Bilbo literally says the "ha ha ha" in response. There's a way Martin says it that I think was a deliberate choice, and I think it's perfectly Bilbo. Just my opinion.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 14 2012, 6:55pm


Views: 2167
The theatrical trailer would have been much better had it been more in vein of this TV spot. //

 


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 14 2012, 6:58pm


Views: 2209
IMO, this seems like it's from the end of the film, with Bilbo having rejoined the Dwarves after Goblin-town...

We'll start with the scene described by Empire (?), a while back, with Thorin saying that Bilbo has fled and they won't be seeing him again. Bilbo reappears, gives this little speech...perhaps this is where he has the exchange about having found his courage with Gandy from the Comic-Con footage. Then we get the pursuit by Wargs as night falls (looks like sunset here), then Out of the Frying Pan. Either that, or this is the last scene of the film (perhaps it's sunrise, following their Eagle escape)? Also, wonder if this is where "Dreaming of Bag End" will play?

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Lissuin
Valinor


Nov 14 2012, 6:59pm


Views: 2152
Here's the heart.//

 


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 14 2012, 7:04pm


Views: 2121
Very much agreed.

This was done very very well. I think Bilbo's speech gives it a little heart for us to connect with, and it also tells why they're all on this journey - to take back the dwarves' home.

Very good tv spot!

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Macfeast
Rohan


Nov 14 2012, 7:14pm


Views: 2121
I think you're right in regards to Thorin.

The words ("have you done much fighting?") don't seem to sync up with his lip-movement, imo; It seems more likely to be dialogue lifted from the Bag End-scene we saw in one of the other tv-spots.

Random observation; In the last shot before the title shows (where Bilbo charges at something with Sting drawn), Thorin is lying in the background. Perhaps this occurs just after a warg has shaken Thorin in it's mouth (as suggested in an interview with Armitage), Bilbo being the one to save him?

All in all, I think this is one of the best tv-spots yet, along with the Japanese one. Love the dialogue from Bilbo, and the forced laugh feels kind of appropriate. I also like how, when all the other dwarves are stood around Bilbo, Balin is standing beside him; Is he standing up in defense of Bilbo?


(This post was edited by Macfeast on Nov 14 2012, 7:24pm)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 14 2012, 7:16pm


Views: 2202
Woah, at 0:24 - SPOILERS

When Bilbo yells and charges at something, Thorin is lying on the ground behind him, seemingly dead (or knocked unconscious)...

Is this fake death #37? Smile



Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 14 2012, 7:17pm


Views: 2147
The single most encouraging trailer I have seen since the first one

Freeman seems to be a perfect Bilbo here. The acting is spot-on. And I like the dialogue (clearly post-Goblintown, when Thorin is questioning Bilbo's disappearance).

His laugh is perfect, as it is a nervous, fake laugh (seemingly, in response to a question he has heard before from Thorin - at Bag End).

Also, it looks great!



thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 14 2012, 7:20pm


Views: 2093
Agreed that the laugh being fake is the point, so it's appropriate. Regarding Bilbo and Freeman's performance, I also enjoy...

How he almost immediately goes to put his hands in his pockets. Nice touch.


starlesswinter
Lorien

Nov 14 2012, 7:20pm


Views: 2117
They seem to have fixed some visual "fakery"

Everything looks better on a visual level here! I love the dusk lighting during "Bilbo's speech" scene.


Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Nov 14 2012, 7:23pm


Views: 2074
The question is...

...have you done much fighting?

Frito groaned. "I wish I had never been born," he said.

"Do not say that, dear Frito," cried Orlon. "It was a happy minute for us all when you were born."


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 14 2012, 7:28pm


Views: 2004
Also, the laugh isn't directed at Thorin but Dwalin. //

 


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 14 2012, 7:28pm


Views: 2012
I know

Which is why I referred to him previously asking the question in Bag End.


smokerings
Rivendell


Nov 14 2012, 7:31pm


Views: 2090
Ok, not thrilled....

I put it off too long and it there are a few threads here started already on this - but Martin's acting is just not doing it for me after 6 TV spots and 2 trailers. He is too contemporary in his delivery and his acting for this classic role...it just seems so out of place based on all the other acting I have seen to date with LoTR and the things we have seen to date.

I am really starting to second guess this now....for something I have been waiting a lifetime for.

I know I am not alone in these feelings....


Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Nov 14 2012, 7:33pm


Views: 1944
Oops, sorry :)

It took me a while to figure out what Thorin was asking. Did Thorin also ask this in one of the other trailers or TV spots?

Frito groaned. "I wish I had never been born," he said.

"Do not say that, dear Frito," cried Orlon. "It was a happy minute for us all when you were born."


thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 14 2012, 7:34pm


Views: 1328
I respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it at all

Nothing about Martin is too "contemporary" for me at all. I don't even understand how you're arriving at your definition of "contemporary" and what makes Freeman fall under it to the point of distraction...his deliveries and mannerisms are perfectly hobbit-esque. What exactly are you seeing that seems too "modern", if you could elaborate? As Bilbo, I suppose Freeman's portrayal would stand out in such a way...Bilbo being, at least from the start, very much a hobbit, the "modern man" compared to the other races in the cast, is part of the character. I see only that, nothing that would make me think "He's from 2012".

From the first glimpses of footage to now, he's simply been Bilbo Baggins - or at least my version of Bilbo Baggins - so unfailingly that I often wonder if Sir Peter didn't actually find a real hobbit after all...


(This post was edited by thomasofrohan on Nov 14 2012, 7:38pm)


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 14 2012, 7:35pm


Views: 1322
Don't get it...

It's perfectly fine if you don't like his acting but i dunno what makes it contemporary.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 14 2012, 7:36pm


Views: 1249
Yes. This line is most likely taken from another moment in the film (in Bag End). //

 


Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Nov 14 2012, 7:38pm


Views: 1335
Underwhelmed...

Have to say that this spot didn't do it for me, either...

I blame this mainly on the cutting/editing as others have pointed out..it makes for a disjointed feeling when viewing, and it's hard to judge Freeman's performance fairly when we know the scene will probably not play out exactly like this...


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thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 14 2012, 7:39pm


Views: 1253
As far as television spots go, which tend to be chaotic, it's fairly well-cut, IMO

 


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 14 2012, 7:42pm


Views: 1293
I'm not convinced yet either...

but IMO, this at least proves there's more to this Bilbo than "snark". I certainly get what you're saying, having expressed the same concern previously Wink...we'll have to wait to see how he fairs throughout the entire film.

Also IMO, TH in general seems a little flashier, somewhat slicker, a bit more "modern" than LotR...most likely as they made LotR with no demographic in particular in mind, (as Elijah Wood says, it was pretty much the biggest independent film ever), while TH has been designed as a big-budget studio tentpole from the onset, and therefor must be alluring for the most coveted audience - teenagers and young boys. I hope there's a fair amount of the heart, humanity, emotion, and timelessness found in LotR in the new trilogy, and fortunately, Bilbo's speech here suggests that they're at least trying a bit. Smile

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Nov 14 2012, 7:46pm)


thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 14 2012, 7:47pm


Views: 1247
Part of the reason why I loved hearing the full Hobbit score...

Is because, creatively, it had everything that made the original trilogy soar to such great heights of heart and timelessness. It's reassuring because I feel that, if PJ was more demographic-conscious this time around, he probably would have directed Shore to give more of an "action" sound to the music...which is not what he did at all.

So I'm reassured that the spirit will remain intact. I don't think PJ, who still prefers to operate in his native New Zealand, has sold out, and he still has the clout to not be pushed around by a demographic-conscious studio.


(This post was edited by thomasofrohan on Nov 14 2012, 7:48pm)


Elessar
Valinor


Nov 14 2012, 7:48pm


Views: 1231
Goosebumps

That totally have me goosebumps. I think to see plenty of the Bilbo from the book in that bit. He kind of calls out the dwarves saying he's got their back and will help them but that he also misses Bag End. It's obviously not an exact replica there but you get that feel. This I think is going to be another major home run from Jackson and crew.



Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 14 2012, 7:49pm


Views: 1229
I don't think this has anything to do with it.

PJ is making the movie he wants to see. I very much doubt he goes by what some demographic might like.


In Reply To
Also IMO, TH in general seems a little flashier, somewhat slicker, a bit more "modern" than LotR...most likely as they made LotR with no demographic in particular in mind, (as Elijah Wood says, it was pretty much the biggest independent film ever), while TH has been designed as a big-budget studio tentpole from the onset, and therefor must be alluring for the most coveted audience - teenagers and young boys.



Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 14 2012, 7:55pm


Views: 1187
They're not necessarily mutually exclusive.

And no can definitively say what's going on PJ's head (or the studio executives). Perhaps he's making the film he would given no creative stipulations or self-censorship whatsoever...perhaps not.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Nov 14 2012, 7:59pm)


TheHutt
Gondor


Nov 14 2012, 7:55pm


Views: 1220
Reminds me of Merry's monologue...

...in ROTK SEE, just as Pippin and Gandalf have left for Minas Tirith.

similarly powerful in underlying emotion.

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Azaghâl
Lorien


Nov 14 2012, 7:57pm


Views: 1232
I think the laugh..

is taken a bit out of context here. It sounds to me like a "oh you don't believe me? But look at this." kinda laugh. Like he's trying to impress in some way.

*Baruk khazâd! Khazâd ai-mênu!*


thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 14 2012, 7:58pm


Views: 1162
Of course not, but I'm speaking from what I've observed...

While I can't say what's been said behind closed doors, what I know about PJ - and what I've seen of the production - has me rather confident that he's very much the same director who isn't looking to betray what made his original trilogy of films so creatively rich. He could have done many things differently had he wanted to go down that path...and if there was so much studio pressure, I think it would have been a little more obvious by this point. So far, I'm feeling good.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 14 2012, 8:04pm


Views: 1138
If he was forced to do something then it's mutually exclusive.

My impression is PJ is someone who fights for what he believes in. He did it during LOTR and pretty much always won when NL "gave notes". Now he has the cloud and WB knows that the movies are pretty much sure-fire successes. They let him do his thing down in NZ, i'm pretty sure (as long as he doesn't bust the budget).


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Nov 14 2012, 8:06pm)


Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea


Nov 14 2012, 8:08pm


Views: 1182
What's really gratifying to see...

...is that if Bilbo's speech is part of the final scene of the film - then there will in fact be a proper, emotional resolution in this film.

Something I had been worried about was that in changing this from 2 films to 3, there wouldn't be an ending that resonated on a proper emotional level. I feared that it would feel like the film just stops, as opposed to an ending that felt well scripted.

But if this is the ending of the film, it looks like it will be quite emotional, and mark a real turning point for Bilbo's character and the dwarves' newfound respect for him.

"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 14 2012, 8:12pm


Views: 1167
Out of curiosity

What exactly is contemporary about his acting?

It is entirely possible that we are confusing British wit with "contemporary." Unlike in the books, Frodo was treated by Peter Jackson as a cipher, with barely a personality. The Frodo of the books, and the Bilbo of the books, both have a dry sense of humor.

IMO, Freeman's acting is far more consistent with Tolkien than Wood's. I thank God we are not getting anymore "deer in the headlights" hobbits this time around.

Lastly, Bilbo should seem more modern than the rest of the cast, because that is how he was drawn by Tolkien. He is an anachronism in Middle Earth, as are all hobbits. He's a bourgeois Edwardian bon vivant living in an archaic world.

Freeman seems to be capturing that perfectly.


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Nov 14 2012, 8:21pm)


Bombadil
Half-elven


Nov 14 2012, 8:20pm


Views: 1085
I can't get FB to play it. Is there another Link?

 


Lauryn
Bree

Nov 14 2012, 8:23pm


Views: 1098
Youtube link from earlier in the thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxrW2T1F8KA


Dipling
Lorien

Nov 14 2012, 8:23pm


Views: 1078
Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/...ed&v=8CY4rS3XyeA


Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea


Nov 14 2012, 8:23pm


Views: 1069
Here you go...

http://www.youtube.com/...8KA&feature=plcp

"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence


Lissuin
Valinor


Nov 14 2012, 8:23pm


Views: 1097
YouTube link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxrW2T1F8KA


Lissuin
Valinor


Nov 14 2012, 8:24pm


Views: 1065
We've all got your back, Bomby!//

 


grinman
Rivendell


Nov 14 2012, 8:26pm


Views: 1051
me too

Could one of you... maybe just one... post a link to a youtube video or something? Thanks.

Wink


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 14 2012, 8:29pm


Views: 1092
Goblin King throne and foot at 0:10

You can see the throne on the right side of the frame, and it does indeed seem to be fashioned from a bed.

Also, you can see one of the King's large feet on the ground (bottom right) so he may have been killed by this point, hopefully by Gandalf (whose hat you can see in the same frame)!


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Nov 14 2012, 8:30pm)


grinman
Rivendell


Nov 14 2012, 8:32pm


Views: 1052
You said it!

I was just gonna say "nuh uh!"

You said it much better than I could have! Of all the things to be leery of, MF's acting is not on MY radar. In fact, he and Armitage are the two (new) characters that I have the least trepidation about.

While we're on the subject, I understand being cautious about hopes and expectations. What I don't understand is picking apart something with the hopes of finding something not to like. I, as much as anyone here, love The Hobbit and LOTR. I WANT to love these films!! I have high expectations that I will not temper. If the films don't meet my expectations fully, I'll be slightly dissappointed. It would take a LOT for me to flat-out hate them. It would take a lot for me to even not like them. I find things in LOTR that annoy me, but my overall experience is still wonderful. I fully expect The Hobbit films to at least be that good. If not, then I'll be very dissappointed... but that judgement will certainly come AFTER viewing (probably multiple times and probably after the final trilogy film).


Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 14 2012, 8:36pm


Views: 1212
Don't think he's dead

His arm is moving.


TheHutt
Gondor


Nov 14 2012, 8:45pm


Views: 1189
One more youtube link for the collection

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chpAdsnw5p8

Russian LotR/Hobbit Site:


Henneth-annun.ru - the Russian LOTR site


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Nov 14 2012, 8:45pm


Views: 1185
i dont think

that question is what thorin asks at that moment..somehow i feel like they added it over his supposed line..and Bilbo points to Dwalin, not Thorin...

THAT is Bilbo Baggins.Smile Really looking forward to his Bilbo.

What is Bilbo striking at?? A Warg, post Goblin Town? Is that Thorin on the ground? Shocked


PS why didnt they upload a HD verison?? Mad


(This post was edited by Lusitano on Nov 14 2012, 8:47pm)


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 14 2012, 8:46pm


Views: 1217
That so honestly sooooo good. *tears*

How are we to survive a month, if we keep getting stuff like this on daily basis?

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 14 2012, 8:48pm


Views: 1213
Probably the scene in which Thorin

Is attacked by a Warg.

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redgiraffe
Rohan

Nov 14 2012, 8:49pm


Views: 1154
I agree, there's no way to tell


In Reply To
And no can definitively say what's going on PJ's head (or the studio executives). Perhaps he's making the film he would given no creative stipulations or self-censorship whatsoever...perhaps not.


We really don't know if he has complete creative control or not over the film.

This may sound bad to PJ lovers (and I'm one of them), but I certainly hope he doesn't have completely free reign over everything. While I think director's should have majority control over the project, I think there also needs to be a little bit of balance on the other end. It doesn't have to be from the studio, necessarily, but from somewhere.

I think it's always best for someone to throw out a little constructive criticism. This is one of my theories about why Lucas just did a horrible job with the Star Wars prequels. But that's another discussion.

Awesome TV spot though! Best stuff since the first trailer. I think Freeman was just absolutely spot on. I was so moved by the little bit of dialogue he had that I completely forgot about any reservations I've been feeling. It's like I immediately thought, "this is gonna be great!"

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


redgiraffe
Rohan

Nov 14 2012, 8:52pm


Views: 1139
yep yep


In Reply To
While I can't say what's been said behind closed doors, what I know about PJ - and what I've seen of the production - has me rather confident that he's very much the same director who isn't looking to betray what made his original trilogy of films so creatively rich. He could have done many things differently had he wanted to go down that path...and if there was so much studio pressure, I think it would have been a little more obvious by this point. So far, I'm feeling good.


The most reassuring quote from PJ is him saying that when he jumped on board as director he wanted the look of the films to seem as if the same exact people who filmed LOTR were filming this.

Hopefully that's how it will turn out. For some reason aesthetic continuity is a big deal to me when dealing with sequels and prequels.

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


jtarkey
Rohan


Nov 14 2012, 8:53pm


Views: 1152
I had a dream the other night

I was in Stone Street Studios and I walked past PJ's office. He Had a newspaper article about how George Lucas ruined Star Wars taped to his window. I remember feeling instantly relieved by his constant reminder to self.Sly

If there's one thing good about those prequels, it's that they serve as a "how to" guide of how NOT to make prequels. Makes it a little easier for other directors attempting it.

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"

(This post was edited by jtarkey on Nov 14 2012, 8:56pm)


Bombadil
Half-elven


Nov 14 2012, 8:53pm


Views: 1155
Thang you ALL very Buch!

Found. It!
"Conflict within the Company"

Yes..Conflict &
Growth of
Bilbo is.

A sight to
Behold..

BOMBY


redgiraffe
Rohan

Nov 14 2012, 8:55pm


Views: 1147
Even if it's not the ending


In Reply To
...is that if Bilbo's speech is part of the final scene of the film - then there will in fact be a proper, emotional resolution in this film.

Something I had been worried about was that in changing this from 2 films to 3, there wouldn't be an ending that resonated on a proper emotional level. I feared that it would feel like the film just stops, as opposed to an ending that felt well scripted.

But if this is the ending of the film, it looks like it will be quite emotional, and mark a real turning point for Bilbo's character and the dwarves' newfound respect for him.


It gives me great confidence that there will be some emotional resolution to it.

I shared the same fears as you. But, honestly I remembered how much I loved the LOTR movies and I think PJ did a good job of knowing how to cut the endings and make them emotional. So I haven't been too worried at all about the hobbit.

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Nov 14 2012, 8:58pm


Views: 1112
Thanks

i dont like low resolution videosSmile


redgiraffe
Rohan

Nov 14 2012, 9:03pm


Views: 1104
hahahahaha


In Reply To
I was in Stone Street Studios and I walked past PJ's office. He Had a newspaper article about how George Lucas ruined Star Wars taped to his window. I remember feeling instantly relieved by his constant reminder to self.Sly

If there's one thing good about those prequels, it's that they serve as a "how to" guide of how NOT to make prequels. Makes it a little easier for other directors attempting it.


Whether they admit it or not, I'm willing to bet the Star Wars prequels have been in the back of EVERYONE'S minds on the hobbit production.

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


Apatcha
The Shire


Nov 14 2012, 9:06pm


Views: 1104
It seems like.......

they're trying to cause us some serious health issues. The beginning of the marketing line was slow, but now they're assaulting us almost everyday, sometimes twice a day, with some new awesome footage, some new spoilers and informations. It might be too much, but I just love every second of it.

That's what Bilbo Baggins hates!
So, carefully! Carefully with the plates!


Cave Troll
Rivendell

Nov 14 2012, 9:16pm


Views: 1095
Quite the opposite for me...

I understand where you're coming from in saying Freeman has appeared just a bit too contemporary - especially after the second trailer which painted him as a Middle-earth version of Tim from The Office - but this is the first time his portrayal of Bilbo has really clicked for me.

I think he will be very easy to relate to (forever a string to Martin Freeman's bow) and, if anything, it's reminded me why I was so pleased with his casting.

P.S. I also really like the laugh (whereas I've hated that faint and the "Fair enough" to Gollum).


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 14 2012, 9:25pm


Views: 1069
The faint is indeed rather unfortunate

And my guess is that PJ has at least 5 takes of that, and he went with the most OTT version.

But the laugh in this TV spot is spot on. Not only that, but his body language suggests a nervousness and discomfort that is very genuine. Great acting.

Compare that to Elijah Wood's eternally stiff body language (he is in "shoulder slump mode" for almost all three films), and his recycling of his "scared animal" emoticon, and you have cause for great optimism.

IMO, Freeman is going to completely steal the show.


Arthael
Lorien


Nov 14 2012, 9:28pm


Views: 1037
So much goodness!

I love everything about this TV spot. Between this and the foreign TV Spot 3 (Galadriel : "Something moves in the dark") I have my favorite trailer yet. It looks like they've really nailed it! Action, depth and grandiosity: even though the story is on a smaller scale that LOTR, I'm starting to convince myself that all 6 films will flow together pretty well! The soundtrack snippets I've heard have played a major part in that, as well as the dialogue in these trailers. Now I'll just have to wait and see how the visuals hold up! ONE MONTH!!!

"There are no safe paths in this part of the world. Remember you are over the Edge of the Wild, and in for all sorts of fun wherever you go."


thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 14 2012, 9:30pm


Views: 1040
I'm definitely expecting great things from Freeman...

Although I don't quite agree with your harsh words for Wood, who I think is a genuinely great actor (it's a shame more people haven't seen his work in the great but little-known Everything is Illuminated or, more recently, Wilfred, where he's a real delight) and whose portrayal of Frodo is, I think, wonderfully done from an acting standpoint. It took a few watches of each film for me to fully appreciate the performance, but there's more subtlety and talent displayed than you're giving him credit for, IMO.

From my perspective, he's certainly not stiff - he really digs deep into the internal workings of Frodo, and Wood sells the invisible weight from the Ring that is constantly pressing down. It seems to be such a common observation to just say that he makes funny faces and slumps his shoulders - there's so much more going on that too many people sadly overlook. What I also appreciate is how he shows the cost of Frodo's quest, and a lot of that comes from subtleties in body language, the way he chooses to move his face, etc. But then there's also the pre-Quest scenes, where Wood has plenty of charm and earns the affection of the audience with ease.

Then again, I also approve of some of the changes made to Frodo in the films, so I'm a strange creature indeed.


(This post was edited by thomasofrohan on Nov 14 2012, 9:38pm)


Cave Troll
Rivendell

Nov 14 2012, 9:33pm


Views: 1019
Oh, I agree.

Elijah Wood is either pointless or annoying throughout the trilogy - it's a testament to how great the rest of it is that they're still my favourite films ever (although I know you disagree!)

Freeman has the potential to 'own' Bilbo like McKellen owns Gandalf. Very exciting.

Also, I'm actually kinda starting to feel Richard Armitage's Thorin which is nice.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 14 2012, 9:33pm


Views: 1027
Galadriel: something moves in the dark???

What TV spot is that from?


jtarkey
Rohan


Nov 14 2012, 9:34pm


Views: 1001
I hope so

There are so many parallels between LOTR and Star Wars IMO. I think learning from that series mistakes is far better than ignoring it. They are huge mistakes after all.

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 14 2012, 9:35pm


Views: 1006
Agreed

Freeman brings to Bilbo what McKellen brings to Gandalf: personality!

And that is 100% consistent with the books. No need for Ren fair-style faux archaism from Bilbo.

I also like what I am seeing, and hearing, from Armitage.


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Nov 14 2012, 9:37pm)


TheHutt
Gondor


Nov 14 2012, 9:48pm


Views: 969
It's actually from two spots


In Reply To
What TV spot is that from?


Actually, it's from real #3 (the Spanish one) and from TORN's #3 ("I cannot guarantee ... the Hobbit...'s safety")

Russian LotR/Hobbit Site:


Henneth-annun.ru - the Russian LOTR site


dave_lf
Gondor

Nov 14 2012, 10:00pm


Views: 960
I actually agree

I know the sample size is small, but so far, every line I've heard from Bilbo has come off as insincere and a bit ironic. That espically includes this clip. Now, maybe Shelob is right and the scene is occurring on the east side of the mountains. If so, maybe Bilbo is feeding the dwarves a line in order to cover himself for running away when things got dangerous and to avoid telling them about the ring. If so, bravo, because that's exactly how it comes off. If not, I sure hope the effect is just due to awkward trailer editing.


(This post was edited by dave_lf on Nov 14 2012, 10:02pm)


Lissuin
Valinor


Nov 14 2012, 10:03pm


Views: 952
Freeman is completely convincing.

From his speech about home, through the laugh at "Have you done much fighting?", to the final shot of a scared hobbit fighting with all his heart to defend a friend.

Here's the depth so many say they love about The Hobbit, following Bilbo grow.

This has been better than all the TV spots and trailers together.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Nov 14 2012, 10:04pm


Views: 939
I'm with Daniel!

Spine-tingling moments in this spot. I dig it the most.

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.

(This post was edited by Tim on Nov 14 2012, 10:10pm)


thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 14 2012, 10:04pm


Views: 1102
I'm really surprised that it's coming off this way to some...

Freeman sounds wonderful here. It seems like Bilbo's not quite comfortable addressing the dwarves yet, so there's some uncertainty, but otherwise it does sound sincere to me. I especially like the delivery of "I know you doubt me", and the hint of Bilbo taking a stronger role in the group.


(This post was edited by thomasofrohan on Nov 14 2012, 10:07pm)


Tim
Tol Eressea


Nov 14 2012, 10:09pm


Views: 1084
Groovy! Start drawing!

Smile

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.


Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Nov 14 2012, 10:12pm


Views: 1082
Glad someone else feels like that too...

It just feels clunky to me...perhaps it's the dialogue as much as Freeman's delivery. The words may be in the spirit of Tolkien to some, but it didn't feel like Tolkien's phrasing would to me - hence the contemporary feel others have noted.


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort






DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 14 2012, 10:23pm


Views: 1062
Can anyone identify the track of the music in this spot?

I think it's great ... And it's enough to tempt me in to listening to the 30s preview of it.Smile

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Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 14 2012, 10:29pm


Views: 1042
Don't listen, Daniel!

This is a test. You. Must. Resist.

It was lovely music, though. Smile

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 14 2012, 10:37pm


Views: 1027
Wood is excellent in Everything is Illuminated

And a number of other films.

I blame his acting as Frodo on Peter Jackson, and how they wrote his character.


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 14 2012, 10:37pm


Views: 1015
It's just too hard not to though! /

 

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Pipe Dream
Gondor


Nov 14 2012, 10:39pm


Views: 1011
I'm with you...

This is the first real glimpse into the film. A spot based on just one scene, just awesome. Gee Peter, we are all going to go see the film already...enough spots, just bring on the film already. -And the extended version afterward. Smile

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 14 2012, 10:48pm


Views: 1010
I just realized

That this is the first time we have gotten a good sense of almost an entire scene. The tone of it was just right, IMO, and bodes well for the quality of at least the ending.

As long as Thorin doesn't fake die, that is...


Elenorflower
Gondor


Nov 14 2012, 10:53pm


Views: 1015
Its good to see

Martin Freeman is acting in an understated rather than obviously comic way. I like it.


Marionette
Rohan


Nov 14 2012, 11:03pm


Views: 989
The best

This one like it better!!


"Dear friend good bye, no tears in my eyes. So sad it ends, as it began"
Queen



Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 14 2012, 11:04pm


Views: 988
Agreed

Perhaps that was the most reassuring aspect of this TV Spot.


Vangalad
Lorien


Nov 14 2012, 11:15pm


Views: 990
Martin is balancing the emotional moment here

and signifies Bilbo's spirit, that is indeed a win.

The interactions between Thorin and Bilbo will be key moments for these movies and the development of the characters leading to the big showdown.


All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost,
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Nov 14 2012, 11:22pm


Views: 1032
Quick Hijack...

Did anyone else notice the difference between Thorin's real and fake beards? Mabe he'll get a shave?Wink
I like the real Armitage beard better, and am glad they changed it, but I hope they don't jump back and forth between the two. I always cringe when I see Viggo's fake beard in the extended cut.



"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 14 2012, 11:33pm


Views: 989
It's amazing

How bad the fake beards are compared to the real thing.

My guess is that the decision to use yak hair, instead of human hair, for most of the dwarves is part of the problem. The other part is wig construction, which IMO, is less successful this time around than in LOTR.

Either that, or 4K is really exposing all the seams.


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Nov 14 2012, 11:39pm


Views: 954
I also agree, although less so on subsequent viewings

The lines that I particularly disliked were "you don't have one. It was taken from you." It almost seemed to have a taunting quality to it. But I think it is more in the clunky editing than anything else. I suspect that in the film, it will be very good.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 14 2012, 11:45pm


Views: 959
I believe the yak hair is for budget reasons

As mentioned in some interview (I think it was one with Peter King?) one wig and a "set" of beard can cost up to $10000.

I agree the real hair looks better. Dean O'Gorman grew out his (little) facial hair minus the mustache, and Aidan Turner obviously only has stubble.


(This post was edited by Carne on Nov 14 2012, 11:48pm)


Elenorflower
Gondor


Nov 14 2012, 11:48pm


Views: 945
very true

the wigs are not as natural looking this time. I noticed that the wig for the Elven woman we saw a side view of, I think from a book, was very obvious round the hairline. Galadriels wig is a huge disappointment for me this time, it seems lacking in volume and substance round her face, theres too little of it, and in one of the photos again from a book where she is swirling, it looks wonky on her head. The contrast between LOTR and the Hobbit as regards wigs for Galadriel is IMO not good. and as for the star hair of Nori, well I always really disliked it.


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Nov 14 2012, 11:54pm


Views: 964
I remember an interview with Armitage...

...where he said that between Block 1 and 2 he grew his beard because the prosthetics limited his acting. I've been worried ever since I heard him say that, fearing I would notice the difference between the two if they both made the final cut. Maybe he does get a shave or his hair gets singed during the Troll fight. (fingers crossed)

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.


starlesswinter
Lorien

Nov 15 2012, 12:26am


Views: 904
Am I the only one who loves starhead Nori?

I can definitely see why people think the weird dwarf designs are OTT, but I think they're the very reason we're able to distinguish them all even before seeing the film. Different colored cloaks wouldn't have cut it.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 15 2012, 1:13am


Views: 854
You must be strong!

You can do it! Only one month left Smile

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 15 2012, 1:15am


Views: 883
Well I didn't before!

Wink But now I do. That really is pretty bad. The natural one looks infinitely better. Now I must purge my mind of all fake beards.

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Sunflower
Valinor

Nov 15 2012, 2:49am


Views: 819
Well, I am

I have not heard a note of the soundtrack other than "Lonely Mountain", and I have not seen a single TV spot. Nor do I intend to do either the whole month. I must admit though, while it's easy in itself to do, it's getting painful for me not to be able to join in these wonderful discussions. *SIGH*

The plus side, though, is that you know darned well the essays and insighful comments I'll be typing on Dec 16th (I'll have seen it twice by then:)

In the meantime, I am re-reading Les Miserables to keep myself away from all of this. Yep, the whole enchilada (see the OT Reading thread:)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 15 2012, 4:33am


Views: 791
So the only two design options were

A star head, or a different color cloak? Smile

The reality is that there are nearly an infinite number of design choices for differentiating the dwarves. They simply went with one of those options, and lots of people find it a bit bizarre.

Though I don't mind Nori so much. Kili is the only one who bothers me.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 15 2012, 5:16am


Views: 784
You've got more fortitude than most!

I heard only a tiny bit of the soundtrack, but I've eaten up all the tv spots! I don't know how you are able to keep away from them!

I look forward to you rejoining these discussions on the 16th!

Oh and I can't believe you're reading the whole Les Mis. I've only looked it up on wikipedia (after seeing the trailer) and it sounds absolutely daunting!

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 15 2012, 6:05am


Views: 949
But isn't insincerity

At the heart of what it means to be British? Wink


starlesswinter
Lorien

Nov 15 2012, 6:39am


Views: 917
Oh no, of course not

I just remember plenty of people saying they expected the different colored cloaks when these dwarf designs were revealed. I think the filmmakers intentionally went outlandish so that we would able to recognize specific silhouettes from a distance. If there was a battle sequence and all the dwarves looked more or less similar, I think it would be very difficult to tell what was going on or who was doing what. With four or five it might be fine, but thirteen? It's a lot to keep track of, and I think casual audiences would have a tough time, especially with the similar names added in the mix. It's just an easy visual tool.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 15 2012, 6:42am


Views: 905
I agree

On the decision to create varying silhouettes for each of the dwarves. However, there is a fine line between interesting and cartoonish, and I think they may have fallen on the wrong side of that line with Nori and Bombur.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Nov 15 2012, 7:31am


Views: 904
Aw, c'mon the person didn't say there were only two options.

Golly!

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 15 2012, 8:42am


Views: 886
No.


In Reply To
At the heart of what it means to be British? Wink


But concealing sincerity is.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...

(This post was edited by Fardragon on Nov 15 2012, 8:49am)


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 15 2012, 11:35am


Views: 894
My analysis of TV spot 6:

We all know that in the book, Bilbo earns his Hero stripes fighting the spiders in Mirkwood. However, for a movie, this sequence has a problem: Bilbo is invisible. This means either we don't see Bilbo, or, from his point of view, what is happening is unclear. You don't want a lack of clarity to interfere with such a critical moment of character development. You could also argue that invisibility is an unfair advantage (especially combined with a Ring of Power and a magic sword of spider slaying +10), and thus, it isn't particularly heroic anyway.

So, I think Bilbo will earn his stripes earlier, during the Warg fight. Thorin is caught in the jaws of a warg and tossed around like a rag doll. Bilbo leaps to his rescue and kills the warg. "That's quite a sting you have there, hobbit," gasps Thorin.

This, of course, fits with the three film structure better, and frees up Legolas and Tauriel to make a significant contribution to spider slaying.

So, how does “can you fight?” fit in? I’m guessing Bilbo will be asked this several times during the course of the movie. If we take it that his little speech comes from the end of AUJ, then the question is asked as a comradely joke, because Bilbo has just proved that the answer is “yes”. The film ends with laughter like an old episode of Star Trek.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Pousette
Rivendell


Nov 15 2012, 12:29pm


Views: 818
The laugh

It's not only appropriate, it's perfect =D

The scene really reminds me of when he sneaks up on Gandalf and the dwarves (and especially Balin), after escaping from the goblins. The laughter might be a response to some question from Dwalin, concerning the manner of his escape - and Balin would probably support him, since Bilbo managed to sneak past him as well!


Pousette
Rivendell


Nov 15 2012, 12:32pm


Views: 811
I don't think...

...Thorin asks him about the fighting in that scene. We saw it earlier in another TV spot, where it's put in Bag End - which seems like a much more logical context.


Pousette
Rivendell


Nov 15 2012, 12:47pm


Views: 810
I really agree with you

IMO, Martin is the perfect Bilbo, and the perfect hobbit. As you say, in relation to dwarves, men and elves, the hobbits are a bit more modern. They reflect the (in 1937) reader, and author. (I have a harder time accepting Elijah Wood's "elven" hobbit. I think Elijah is a great actor, but the script takes away too much hobbitness from Frodo.)

And casting, rather than scriptwriting, has always been PJ's strong side, I think. That's why I even trust him on Persbrandt as Beorn, until proven wrong. As a swede, I've never been impressed by Persbrandt, neither as an actor nor as a private person. But if Philippa, Fran and PJ thinks he'll work, I won't argue.


Pousette
Rivendell


Nov 15 2012, 12:50pm


Views: 807
YES!

THANK YOU - I just spent far too many letters trying to get at the same thing as you, in another comment =)


Pousette
Rivendell


Nov 15 2012, 12:52pm


Views: 799
Well put! //

 


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Nov 15 2012, 2:10pm


Views: 782
The only one?

Have you made your peace with Bifur's axe?

I haven't. (Surprisingly, RA's explanation for his short beard has made me somewhat more acccepting of Kili's beardlessness.)

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


Elenorflower
Gondor


Nov 15 2012, 4:24pm


Views: 755
thing is, I think they have created

a rod for their own backs making all the Dwarves so individual. This means they all have to have individual backstories to explain the weirdness (axes in noodles) and these backstories take up valuable screen time that should be devoted to Bilbo and HIS journey. I prefer the book, where most of them are mostly in the background, being silent. I am not really too interested in made up backstories of made up axes etc. I AM interested in Balins backstory, and Thorins backstory, the others, not so much. So I WOULD have preferred coloured cloaks and hoods, that all they need. IMO. and its far far more in keeping with Tolkien than handsome hunks with stubble.


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 15 2012, 4:36pm


Views: 744
A case can certainly be made

that it would be more true to the book if most of the dwarves where fairly anonymous and interchangeable red-shirts. Just a band of troops rather than individual characters.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Tim
Tol Eressea


Nov 15 2012, 5:18pm


Views: 734
The problem PJ runs into with this approach is...

... the most common criticism (that I read, over and over again) of his LOTR adaptation was that none of the ancillary characters were developed enough. He rightly focused on Frodo and his trip to Mordor but not being able to dedicate more time to the other characters in the end made it all feel very rushed to a lot of folks. He received some praise in reviews for the extended editions about further character development so he's getting feedback that more for all the characters is a good thing. So, PJ may be trying to avoid the rushed experience and make sure that the audience not only feels attached to Bilbo but to the rest of the cast as well. We'll see how that works out, I think it'll be fine.

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.


triptrap
Lorien

Nov 15 2012, 6:12pm


Views: 726
lovely

i really adore this sixth spot and i think it's the best out of all. it doesnt have much action, it focuses on the characters and on building momentum and atmosphere, which caused a deep feeling of the world and the story within me.
also bilbo saying: but i will help you take it back if i can!
reminds me soooo much of young frodo in rivendell: i will take the ring, even though i don't know the way.

god, i'm cracking up over here, this is all just so awesome
Smile


starlesswinter
Lorien

Nov 15 2012, 7:56pm


Views: 696
I don't think all the backstory will take up screentime though

It's essential to each actor, but I doubt we're going to get entire scenes based around Ori or Nori, for example. The individuality is primarily for visual purposes.

Also, as Philippa points out in the Official Move Guide: "What we didn't want to do was overload the film with too much information upfront. When you read Tolkien's books you see that he reveals his characters gradually in the telling of the story, so we tried to follow his lead. Rather than panic about having thirteen Dwarves and the audience needing to know all about them, we allowed them to become known to us and they become known to Bilbo." (pg. 23)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 15 2012, 8:08pm


Views: 680
Um, it was quite strongly implied by the following statement


Quote
I can definitely see why people think the weird dwarf designs are OTT, but I think they're the very reason we're able to distinguish them all even before seeing the film. Different colored cloaks wouldn't have cut it.


So, yes this is a main reason why we can differentiate the dwarves. But there are literally millions of other options for differentiation that go beyond the "different colored cloaks."



Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 15 2012, 8:10pm


Views: 685
In a one-film Hobbit

That could have worked on screen. Focus on Bilbo, Thorin and Balin, and leave the others mostly in the background.


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Nov 15 2012, 8:14pm


Views: 681
That's a very encouraging quote from Philippa!

I noted it myself. I hope they really do follow that lead.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


Tim
Tol Eressea


Nov 15 2012, 8:20pm


Views: 675
Nope

It was cited as *a* reason for the designs - a defense for a choice, not as the *only* alternative to different colored cloaks. I'm sure they're well aware that there are different ways to go about things.

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.


dave_lf
Gondor

Nov 15 2012, 8:21pm


Views: 688
On a completely different subject

Does it look to anyone else like the landscape is rippling a bit in the very first shot (the green hills)?


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 15 2012, 8:30pm


Views: 665
I think you're reading a different post

Here it is again:


Quote
I can definitely see why people think the weird dwarf designs are OTT, but I think they're the very reason we're able to distinguish them all even before seeing the film. Different colored cloaks wouldn't have cut it.


So no, it wasn't described as *a" reason, and yes, "different colored cloaks" was implied to be the exclusive alternative. A strawman, basically.

But it's not a big deal. I am sure the poster didn't really mean that there are no other alternatives. That's why I included a smiley in my response. Smile


dave_lf
Gondor

Nov 15 2012, 8:46pm


Views: 659
Agreed

If you freeze-frame "Why did you come?", you can see that the sun is setting behind the mountains. i.e. they're on the east side.


Elenorflower
Gondor


Nov 15 2012, 11:47pm


Views: 659
I agree that in LOTR some supporting figures

were not developed enough, through lack of time or whatever. But a lot of these characters did have legitimate backstories in the books. Whereas the Dwarves are having stories made up out of nowhere. Its like I feel there should have been at least 2 more LOTR films with all the things missing from the books, and instead there are two extra Hobbit films we dont really need. seems topsy turvy to me.
But what do I know? I hate Barbie and Kens pink palace. Crazy


(This post was edited by Elenorflower on Nov 15 2012, 11:53pm)


Tim
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 12:51am


Views: 685
Well yeah in a perfect world

The Hobbit would have been made first, been successful, then we could have had six movies for LOTR.
Whether he has to make them up or not, he still probably feels the need to flesh the main characters out to please the majority of the audiences. Hopefully he'll be able to strike the right note with as many people as possible, including yourself. It's a tough job but he was able to pull it off with LOTR.

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 6:22am


Views: 665
I agree

That five or six LOTR films would have done the story more justice.

However, I will not reject some more nuance in three Hobbit films just because LOTR didn't receive the same treatment. IMO, more time may help lessen some of PJ's tendencies to over-simplify...


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 16 2012, 8:54am


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And not found an audiance


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That five or six LOTR films would have done the story more justice.


Because the pacing would have been two slow, and people would have lost track of what was going on. There are two features of a novel that people seem to forget when discussing adaptations: in a novel, you can flip back at any time to check on names and details that you are uncertain of; you can put down a novel at any time and any point in the story.

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Tim
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 2:40pm


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It's more than possible the audience would have stuck around

After all they demonstrated they could do so with Harry Potter.

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 16 2012, 3:15pm


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A series of seven simple and largely self contained stories

is hardly comparable... Crazy


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After all they demonstrated they could do so with Harry Potter.


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Tim
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 3:28pm


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It's completely comparable

After all what are the three movies for The Hobbit? It's taking one story and making three stories out of it. If there is interest (and there is), people will keep coming back, you picking out a technicality doesn't change that fact.

Other examples... Batman, Spiderman, James Bond, need I go on? If people are interested in the characters, they'll keep coming back. So yes, they could have made LOTR into six movies. And they still can. And in the future they just may.

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.

(This post was edited by Tim on Nov 16 2012, 3:30pm)


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 16 2012, 4:06pm


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These are examples of seperate, self contained stories

about the same character. There is no complexity. Indeed, using an established character like Bond or Batman reduces complexity.

And we weren't talking about making three movies out of The Hobbit, we where talking about spreading an exceedingly complex, interleaved story with a great many characters and no clear break points over six or seven movies over as many years.

The Hobbit? well, the plot is a bit thin to turn into three movies, but at least there is little chance of people getting confused.

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Elenorflower
Gondor


Nov 16 2012, 4:11pm


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Exactly Tim, and all the more reason

to do them, because I think that apart from Harry Potter, LOTR is more loved than any other story I can think of.
I hope one day PJ decides to make a revised EE of all the extra footage they cut the first time round, and makes a hugemega EE. Even if it means we see 4 instead of 3 films. But honestly I think Martin Freeman will be so good that I really wont mind the extra frills and the spills going on around him.


(This post was edited by Elenorflower on Nov 16 2012, 4:12pm)


Tim
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 4:16pm


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I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill


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about the same character. There is no complexity. Indeed, using an established character like Bond or Batman reduces complexity.

And we weren't talking about making three movies out of The Hobbit, we where talking about spreading an exceedingly complex, interleaved story with a great many characters and no clear break points over six or seven movies over as many years.

The Hobbit? well, the plot is a bit thin to turn into three movies, but at least there is little chance of people getting confused.



If people are interested in Frodo and Gandalf and Gimli, et al. they'll keep coming back, and writers can find ways of taking the story and breaking it into segments.

You can have the last word if you want I think I've made my point.

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.

(This post was edited by Tim on Nov 16 2012, 4:16pm)


Tim
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 4:22pm


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For me Martin Freeman


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to do them, because I think that apart from Harry Potter, LOTR is more loved than any other story I can think of.
I hope one day PJ decides to make a revised EE of all the extra footage they cut the first time round, and makes a hugemega EE. Even if it means we see 4 instead of 3 films. But honestly I think Martin Freeman will be so good that I really wont mind the extra frills and the spills going on around him.


was excellent as Bilbo in that last TV spot where he gave his little speech, so I agree with you. I always thought he looked the part and could act so it's gratifying to see him being the Bilbo I imagined in the book(s).
And I agree with you, Tolkien's stories are going to be made into more and more film adaptation especially if The Hobbit is the huge hit I think it probably will be. I wouldn't be surprised if PJ does that EE we wish for, he's already joked about it before.

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 16 2012, 4:26pm


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Sure people are interested in the characters

and you could write endless original stories about them (if it where legal) and people would come and watch them.

You could, for example, make "The Dwarves", and follow Balin from the Fall of Erabor all the way through to his death in Moria. And it could be a perfectly good movie with a small number of well developed characters and a strong central narrative.

But try to mix it in with the story of The Hobbit (which has already accreted the Dol Guldur plotline) and you know what you get? A mess that does none of the stories justice.

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starlesswinter
Lorien

Nov 16 2012, 11:05pm


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Well, no, I wasn't suggesting it's the only alternative

As I might have said before, I brought the colored cloaks up because so many people expected - or even wanted - that to be the distinction among the thirteen dwarves.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 5:06am


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I agree with Tim

And I just now realized that I should always agree with him because he is, after all, Tim.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 5:08am


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I'd like to see a 6-film LOTR

Directed by Alfonso Cuaron. That would be mind-blowingly awesome. And yes, people would come.


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 17 2012, 11:11am


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A good director doesn't always equate to a good film ;-) /

 

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Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 17 2012, 2:45pm


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Does he even [i]like[/i] Tolkien?

The bottom line is, PJ did LotR because he had a passion for it when no one else was even interested.

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Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 17 2012, 3:12pm


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Points at "Children of Men"

Although I think the author is as much to blame as the director. I hate it when writers think the can write science fiction without actually having read very much.

Death Comes to Pemberley was a triumph of ego over understanding of genre as well.

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