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The Hobbit = Oscar hope for Warner?



Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor


Nov 13 2012, 1:46pm


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The Hobbit = Oscar hope for Warner?

Although "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey" isn't out yet, Warner seems to be very sure about the quality of its movie. They did propose the first Hobbit-movie for 16 Academy Awards to the Academy. I got this information from the German Fan Page "Der Herr der Ringe Film":


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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor


Nov 13 2012, 1:48pm


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Warner

Here is the proof from the Warner webpage: http://warnerbros2012.warnerbros.com/....php?film=thehobbit#

"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."

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Elessar
Valinor


Nov 13 2012, 1:57pm


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Winners

It will get several of these I believe but I don't think the big haul will come until the end.



Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Nov 13 2012, 2:01pm


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Perdicting such things is nigh impossible I'm afraid :s.. ... we'll just have to wait and hope.. but awesome compilation! //

 

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Crunchable Birdses
Rohan


Nov 13 2012, 2:05pm


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The Oscars are more about politics than films.

Jackson got his reward the last time around; the Academy won't be dishing them all out to him again, even if they are the best films ever.

I'd be surprised if The Hobbit trilogy picks up anything other than the technical awards.

It's not gonna happen guys, best get used to it.

* crunch *


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 13 2012, 2:26pm


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I'd be surprised if it even gets nominated for any categories other than technical

Part of it is what you said, PJ already having gotten everything there is to get for LOTR, part of it is the movies being less Oscar friendly, with which i mean less serious, epic, emotional, and part of it is just me thinking "what are the odds of lightning striking twice?" I'm expecting a great adventure but LOTR was something truly special, something magical one of a kind (to me at least).

If it really gets amazing reviews, it might get a nomination for best movie, since there are up to 10 slots now.


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I'd be surprised if The Hobbit trilogy picks up anything other than the technical awards.



(This post was edited by Estel78 on Nov 13 2012, 2:31pm)


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 13 2012, 2:36pm


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AUJ won't win any

TABA contains all the epicness!

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iandea14
Rivendell


Nov 13 2012, 2:52pm


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YEAH!

I could definitely see some Oscars!


Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea


Nov 13 2012, 5:11pm


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Nobody should expect any big prizes this time around...

PJ & Co. already had our time in the sun with the Oscars. They made the first fantasy film to ever win Best Picture, and it swept the board with 11 Wins. In Hollywood, the story of the New Zealanders' fantasy film Oscar Victory has already been told.

But that doesn't mean it won't get a bunch of nominations! :) Just don't expect wins in categories like Picture, Director, Screenplay, and the like. I think the films should be able to pick up a good number of techs, though.

"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence


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LoremIpsum
Lorien


Nov 13 2012, 7:42pm


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That's my thinking as well

and that's probably why TABA will be released during summer and not closer to the awards season


jtarkey
Rohan


Nov 13 2012, 8:37pm


Views: 1145
Actually...

I think there's a very good chance of Ian Mckellen or Andy Serkis winning an acting Oscar at some point through this trilogy. Gandalf is Ian's most notable role, and IMO he was certainly the best actor throughout the original trilogy. He disappears seamlessly into Gandalf.

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 13 2012, 8:42pm


Views: 1150
Disagree. They might have a small outside shot...

...if the movies turn out to be critical darlings. There's no "big chance" for an actor to win an Oscar in a fantasy adventure movie.


jtarkey
Rohan


Nov 13 2012, 8:55pm


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I don't think genre matters in the acting category

I think the acting does. Look at Heath Ledger. Although I'm sure his death upped his chances, The Dark Knight was a comic book movie that wasn't even nominated for Best Picture. His acting was very obviously incredible though, hence the oscar.

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 13 2012, 9:08pm


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It was a very showy role.

And as you said, his death might have played into it, even if it might be a somewhat controversial viewpoint.

Well, i think if you are in a genre film you are in a disadvantage, even as an actor. McKellen had his chance with FOTR, i dunno if the Academy would nominate him again for the same role. As for Serkis, there's still the bias against CGI characters.


starlesswinter
Lorien

Nov 13 2012, 9:43pm


Views: 1086
Doubt it

Technical awards, for sure, but this won't be a Best Picture winner. It'll be too "fun" for that.


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Nov 13 2012, 9:45pm


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I can't help wondering

If knowing whether the film is any good or not might be a useful precursor to these predictions.

LR


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 13 2012, 9:55pm


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We are assuming the movie to be good for the purpose of discussion.

If it turns out not so good then of course no (major) Oscars for Hobbit.


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Nov 13 2012, 10:02pm


Views: 1085
*scratches head*

How good are we assuming? If we are assuming Oscar worthy good then I'd say yes. If we are assuming not Oscar worthy good then definitely no.

LR


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 13 2012, 10:41pm


Views: 1063
The soundtrack

Doesn't say "fun" to me. It says serious, dark and rather epic, with some splashes of fun.

Who knows? It is possible this film will knock the socks off the critics.


Welsh hero
Gondor


Nov 13 2012, 10:48pm


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I'd put my bets of it defiantly getting nominated for technical awards

up to 10 films can be nominated for best picture, so the hobbit has a chance.

Not sure how many 'adapted' films are out this year, but I'd also place my bet on the hobbit getting nominated for this

Large chance for best soundtrack and original song as well.

Although not seen a lot of films this year, so don't know the competition

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 13 2012, 11:38pm


Views: 1029
I hope it gets more than that

IMO, a film based on such a classic book should reach for best director, screenplay and film!

We'll see...


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Nov 14 2012, 12:41am


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If the film is of the quality of the LotR...

I will be simply satisfied with a Best Picture nomination. I think technical categories are a lock at this point, with the main competition being against The Avengers and Batman.

I'm not expecting any awards for actors, although to see Sir Ian finally win an Oscar for his Gandalf the Grey role would be fantastic at the end of the trilogy.

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien


Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor


Nov 14 2012, 12:56am


Views: 991
Best Visual Effects


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I think technical categories are a lock at this point, with the main competition being against The Avengers and Batman.

But don't forget the first use of 48fps,new cameras, new forms of 3D and the development of motion capture. And don't forget the Weta Workshop. "The Avengers" and "Dark Knight Rises" have nothing to beat that. I watched both movies and I really liked both but there was nothing new. "The Avengers" was full of explosions, destructions and falling skycrapers and yes in 3D... but not that special in the age of Transformers and Co. And "Dark Knight Rises"... well it was not that special as well.

I'm pretty sure that AUJ is going to win "Best Visual Effects"


"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 14 2012, 1:17am


Views: 997
I did a little checking

Studios doing Oscar ad campaigns is not necessarily a sign of quality. For instance, WB did the same with Sherlock Holmes, or Disney promoted Alice in Wonderland. So, calm down, everyone. Wink


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sphdle1
Gondor


Nov 14 2012, 2:22am


Views: 995
Even if the Hobbit wins everything

It doesn't mean anything, because like the post says (& I totally agree), the Oscars are more about politics.

Just look no further than Avatar, one of the most awesome/greatest films ever made/written (& I bet PJ himself would agree on this), yet it barely came away with a few technical awards...dispite the fact it had the best/most original music score, best story, best directing, best cinematography, not to mention best movie by far that year. I could understand if it made in the range of the Avengers or one of the 'normal' top grossing movies of the year, than it could be chalked up to just great special effects and big budget film with not awesome writing or acting ... but like Titanic, Star Wars (original), LOTR, and other great movies that are phenomenons (whereby people come back for repeat showings over and over, and made record breaking box office numbers), Avatar was beyond the normal top box office numbers and struck a chord with the masses for more than just special effects...
...so what happened at the Oscars? Well as everyone knows, Avatar got completely snubbed without any doubt, because it had a strong political message that favored the environment over big money & capitalism, and a strong political message that put the US Republican party line of thought/policies in a negative light, and thus 'the snub' in the form of another war based film winning it all ... What was it called ??? hmmm can't remember?? oh yeah, The Foot Locker .. I mean the Hurt Locker (had to google it).

So if The Hobbit movies don't get the big awards at the Oscars, it doesn't mean they weren't the best films ever made, nor that they weren't the best story line, best written/special effects/score/etc... It just means that the Director, Producers, Actors, Composer, etc., were too busy working harder to make the best film, with the best writing, best score, etc., instead of playing the political game and spending tons of money on ad campaigns to get 'the nod' which doesn't mean anything.
Remember, the movie that won the big awards last year, the actors didn't even speak a word, and yet they still won ...Huh!? ... if that doesn't prove what a joke it has become, than I don't know what does.

Having said all that, I hope PJ and company don't take out one ad for the Oscar's political popularity game, and still win everything (provided it is indeed an awe inspiring phenomenal film, which I'm sure it will be based on who wrote the original book, who wrote the adaptive screen play, directed, acted, produced it, composed the music, etc.).. ;)

sphdle1

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Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 14 2012, 2:23am


Views: 463
Was that about Avatar sarcasm?

Wink


jtarkey
Rohan


Nov 14 2012, 3:33am


Views: 455
Avatar's story was certainly nothing special. However...

I'm a huge fan of classic cinema. I was never a fan of 3D before seeing Avatar. But after seeing it, I was convinced. When 3D is used to bring you INTO the film (instead of having things pop out at you) it is amazing. Avatar was a great example of the future of cinema. It brought you into the world it was portraying.

Apparently, according to Sir Ian, The Hobbit is doing the same which is a relief. I've been looking at The Hobbit as an experience rather than simply seeing a film. The advantage the Hobbit has is a stellar story to go along with the stellar visuals.

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"


guitarzankansasfan
Lorien


Nov 14 2012, 3:59am


Views: 442
Too bad they don't have a category

for "highest frame rate". Just getting a high frame rate film released into theaters is a historic technical achievement.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Nov 14 2012, 5:17am


Views: 424
Not real likely on the first part. //

 

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Tim
Tol Eressea


Nov 14 2012, 5:51am


Views: 418
Huh...


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Just look no further than Avatar, one of the most awesome/greatest films ever made/written (& I bet PJ himself would agree on this), yet it barely came away with a few technical awards...dispite the fact it had the best/most original music score, best story, best directing, best cinematography, not to mention best movie by far that year.




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Thorins_apprentice
Rohan

Nov 14 2012, 7:28am


Views: 434
Best Story????


You sure about that. Pocahontas, meets The Smurfs meets Fern GulleyUnsure

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DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 14 2012, 8:04am


Views: 396
Oh, I don't know.

There are some rubbish films that have won plenty of Oscars, and some brilliant films that have won none.

It will win a few regardless, I reckon.

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Joe20
Lorien

Nov 14 2012, 9:58am


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Avatar was so overrated

 


Owain
Tol Eressea


Nov 14 2012, 4:00pm


Views: 345
I think that it has the chance to be nominated...

and hold out hopes for some wins.

Obviously, as all here probably hope, I want a great movie first... which to me, everything is looking very promising to that end.

Smile

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Kassandros
Rohan


Nov 14 2012, 4:24pm


Views: 345
Avatar is about Jake Sully, not the geopolitics of Pandora


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You sure about that. Pocahontas, meets The Smurfs meets Fern GulleyUnsure


I am certainly not going to say Avatar had the best story of its year, but these comparisons are unfair.

The central story of Avatar revolves around Jake Sully's personal story, not the conflict between humans and the Na'vi. Jake loses the ability to walk and then gets it back virtually in his a body that is not his own. As the movie goes on, his Avatar body becomes his reality while his physical body becames a painful nightmare he wakes up to. I thought some of the transition scenes were actually pretty powerful. Ultimately, he is torn between his own sense of morality and his desire to have a whole body. The movie is called Avatar not The War of Pandora. There's a reason for that.

I'm not saying this story is perfect (it would have been much more powerful if Jake had to give up his Na'vi body since it was the creation of the corrupt corporate society that he rebelled against), but it's definitely not just a rehash of Fern Gully. The stuff that's similar to Fern Gully is only the backdrop for Jake's personal story, which is far more original in the world of cinema.

all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Nov 14 2012, 4:29pm


Views: 327
How about we toss in a bit of "Dances With Wolves"?

then "Pocahontas, meets The Smurfs meets Fern Gulley" pretty much covers it. Avatar was real pretty but I have onley watched it once and do not feel compelled to do so again. KS


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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 14 2012, 4:31pm


Views: 324
I think quite a few people might disagree with you on this


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Just look no further than Avatar, one of the most awesome/greatest films ever made/written


I thought it was one of the most overrated/mediocre films ever made/written. Smile

And though many love the visuals, even the most hardcore fans I have met agree that Cameron's scripts are usually pretty pedestrian. So the best "ever written" might meet some resistance even amongst the Cameron cult.

IMO, Avatar deserved only the technical awards it got.



Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 14 2012, 4:35pm


Views: 317
Odd theory

I am a liberal Democrat, and I know that Hollywood generally doesn't try to please the Republican Party!

Hurt Locker won because it is well done film showing us aspects of war we are not normally exposed to. I think that is a good thing.

Avatar didn't win not because of an environmentalist message (a message I generally approve of), but because of a pretty ham-fisted story, and mediocre acting.

On a low budget, Avatar would not have been noticed by anyone.


Sunflower
Valinor

Nov 14 2012, 4:44pm


Views: 331
Not much, I admit

At least not for the first one.

I think most Oscar-watchers can pretty much kiss any hope of a Score nomination for Shore goodbye, at least with this installment. I haven't listened to the soundtrack, except for the Neil Finn song (I intend to remain, as I said in the music thread, unspoiled when I go into the theater..though I don't mind reading descriptions of the score) but I understand that it is full of not only snippets from, but entire musical phrases borrowed from LOTR, scattered, as I understand it, all throughout the film. that decisively disqualifies it from a nomination. the Music branch of the Academy has become one of the more intractible and irritating bunch of folks in AMPAS over the past decade, and a couple of years ago they instituted a new rule that they've follwed with depressing finality: A musical score must be wholly "origional" to be nominated--no "borrowed" music. You would not beleive what scores have been disqualified the past 2 or 3 yrs b/c of this rule. The only time they have broken this rule was for "The King's Speech" which won Best Picture. So they'll nominate a core with "samples" only if your score is the for the film that, going into the final legs of the race, is held to be the front-runner.

Which as we know will NOT happen for AUJ, even if it is nominated. The winner this yr will more likely be Argo or Lincoln or, God willing, Les Miz. As of now, all the "Oscar hopefuls" have been seen except for TH, Les Miz and Django Unchained, and it's a tough race, but these are films everyone is talking about.

But who knows? AMPAS likes to pick favorites and I've noticed that Shore has tended to get a nom for most scores he's done sonce LOTR. That, pus the fact that this is weak era for movie music. How many good cadidates might there be.

The other thing to take into consideration is the Academy's decisive hatred these days for anything that smacks of "franchise." In the past 2 yrs they have turned anti-commericail, ever since they ditched 10 BP nominees to this addle-brained "1%" voting rule. I don't refer to a political class here, but the new method of voting. Basically, 3 yrs ago we had a great system of voting and we had to have 10 BP nominees. Then 2 yrs ago they tossed that out and insituted a system of voting that said we could have anywhere from 5 to 10 nominees. Go to the Awards Daily site for a tutorial on this--it's pretty daunting. The Academy these days sees themselves as the last bastion of "art" and "culture" in a Hollywood determined to dumb down the populace with franchises.Some members have been very vocal about this in interviews. I doubt Avatar or D9 would be nominated today. In this regard, Peter Jackson might be looked on a bit less favorably. I;m sure they've seen the Denny's spots too. Plus, the Acadmy has long history of wanting to "tear down" former Oscar darlings. That, or they just politely leave them alone.

I have my hopes up, but I might be proved right.


(This post was edited by Sunflower on Nov 14 2012, 4:49pm)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 14 2012, 4:49pm


Views: 325
Everything you describe about the Academy

Sounds like a positive development.


Kassandros
Rohan


Nov 14 2012, 4:49pm


Views: 312
I watched it three times in theaters : )

Still don't think Dances With Wolves covers it. It's about Sully and getting the ability to walk back while living a a false life in another body. Yes, all of those films have similarities and are influences, certainly, but none of them have anything like Jake's personal story.

For what it's worth, I was surprised that I liked Avatar more on the second viewing. By the third viewing, however, the cheesy dialog and bad acting of some of the secondary characters got to me a bit more, and I never felt the need to watch it at home. Of course, I don't have a 3D tv, either, so part of my third viewing (the extended cut they rereleased) was as an alternative to watching it at home as much as anything else.

Overall I'd rate Avatar as follows:
Visual effects: Groundbreaking. Best ever.
Art Direction: Excellent.
Acting: Ok. The important characters are well acted, for the most part.
Story: Decent to good.
Script: Eh...

I guess I basically feel that the story is just good enough to make Avatar an enjoyable experience. I don't watch it to see the great acting, but the story's good enough that we're not just watching random eye candy. The vividness of Jake's live as a Na'vi on Pandora serves a purpose in the story. The visual effects tie into this. I think that's why the movie works for me.

all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...


Sunflower
Valinor

Nov 14 2012, 5:00pm


Views: 328
Ah, God bless you, Mr Shelob

Somehow I *knew* you'd say that. We wuvs ya, really. Smile

I have to leave now (no posting from a phone for me) so I can't continue this, but if you want to follow the Oscar race, go to awardsdaily.com- one of the origional "oscar watchers" sites, it's a fantastic movie site. I've read it for 12 yrs.
In addition to great home page essays, the Forums are great too. It would be right up your alley--there are a bunch of folks there who can't stand PJ and are not shy about it either. You'd feel right at home. Tongue

Poke around the site and you'll find an explantion of the new voting rules for the Academy. Then you'll know what TH is up against.

I'll join back in tonight.