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New still shows off an unfriendly-looking warg



thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 9 2012, 2:26am


Views: 2418
New still shows off an unfriendly-looking warg

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/...8185_201510735_o.jpg


Owain
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 2:26am


Views: 1268
Very cool! Menacing.//

Smile

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thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 9 2012, 2:27am


Views: 1237
Those glowing eyes are terrifying! Very effective.

 


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 2:28am


Views: 1277
CLAPS CLAPS

Fantastic warg! Much better than african hyena crossbreeds.

Very wolfy indeed! Even more than Jack Nicholson Wink

Wait till Ailanuir Olorin sees this...


Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 9 2012, 2:29am


Views: 1214
Fantastic!

Now people can stop complaining about them not looking like wolves Cool


Ziggy Stardust
Gondor


Nov 9 2012, 2:29am


Views: 1214
Aaaiiiiii!

That warg looks great, but I just spoiled myself! I couldn't resist looking!


Owain
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 2:30am


Views: 1217
Agreed... this is not a tame design by an means. Well done WETA!!//

 

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Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 9 2012, 2:32am


Views: 1215
To me this looks like a still from a trailer

Which is most likely coming this month based on Owain's thread and Manu Bennett's tweet Wink


(This post was edited by Carne on Nov 9 2012, 2:33am)


redgiraffe
Rohan

Nov 9 2012, 2:35am


Views: 1174
I like it a lot

I still think it looks kind of a little too CG but this is just a pic and there's no need to really get upset.

But the design looks great, IMO.

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Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Nov 9 2012, 2:40am


Views: 1366
I have decided that the hyena wargs...

were the result of Saruman's hybridization schemes, like the Uruk-hai (only uglier). THESE are the original non-altered wargs. Yes. I feel better now. Wink

Silverlode






Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 9 2012, 2:43am


Views: 1159
Just wanted to ask where he got it.

It may be from a new trailer, you are right.


DarkJackal
Rohan


Nov 9 2012, 2:44am


Views: 1186
I like it, but it doesn't look just like a wolf

Too many weird anatomical distortions, including vertical slit pupils in widely spaced eyes, and a nose that looks more appropriate on a camel than a canid. But it's better than the hyenas.

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(This post was edited by DarkJackal on Nov 9 2012, 2:44am)


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 2:44am


Views: 1186
Me too

Nice idea. Sarumans fault! Wink


Olessan
Bree


Nov 9 2012, 2:45am


Views: 1151
Oooh

It looks great! Love this design.


thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 9 2012, 2:48am


Views: 1168
I think it looks close enough to a wolf, with the different features giving it a slightly more distorted, demonic appearance

Such as the nose, which makes it look a little creepier, IMO. I think, if you showed a group of people this still, most of them would be able to correctly identify this creature as a wolf because a few missing physical characteristics don't change the wolf-like appearance that drastically.

Besides, they are referred to as "demon wolves", not just wolves. Perhaps being inhabited by an evil spirit does things to your anatomical structure. :}


(This post was edited by thomasofrohan on Nov 9 2012, 2:53am)


DarkJackal
Rohan


Nov 9 2012, 2:57am


Views: 1241
Another image of a warg rider?

This was posted on FB but the poster wasn't sure if it was legit or not. I do not know the original source.

Warg and rider


Looks like the same warg design, and same rocks as we've seen in some of the promo shots.

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Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 9 2012, 3:00am


Views: 1143
Looks legit definitelly.

If a bit CGI. But in motion it'll probably look better.


Username4242
Bree

Nov 9 2012, 3:02am


Views: 1120
Their ears look quite bat-like.

I dig it.


SaltedPork
Bree


Nov 9 2012, 3:05am


Views: 1112
Looks legit to me!

I like it. Interesting design. Much more wolf-like, but still something we haven't seen in film before.


Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 9 2012, 3:07am


Views: 1126
Ok, that has to be from a new trailer!

 


thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 9 2012, 3:09am


Views: 1121
Wow, these wargs are huge!

Amazing design. Just the right blend between demon and wolf, IMO.


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 3:13am


Views: 1098
wow

Fantastic! Warg Scouts!

Where are these pics coming from?? Not pjs facebook...


jtarkey
Rohan


Nov 9 2012, 3:18am


Views: 1112
These have to be from a new trailer

Remember when we got stills right before the 2nd trailer, and they were conveniently trailer sized?

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Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 3:33am


Views: 1089
Indeed

The size and style are very similar...trailer trailer trailer ...its coming...Smile


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Nov 9 2012, 3:36am


Views: 1068
Ooh, I like your reasoning. /

 

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redgiraffe
Rohan

Nov 9 2012, 3:38am


Views: 698
cool cool


In Reply To
Too many weird anatomical distortions, including vertical slit pupils in widely spaced eyes, and a nose that looks more appropriate on a camel than a canid. But it's better than the hyenas.


The slit eyes to me do look a little non-wolf like. But I'm glad that it wasn't just a completely full set of glowing eyes like it looked in the trailer. I think that would have been awful.

But it seems I'm in the minority about the wargs in the trilogy. I didn't really have a problem with the design. I actually thought they looked cool. Yes, I would have liked them to look more wolf like in the head but they still had a canine type of appearance.

My problem with the ones from LOTR though is that it seems like they spent a very minimal amount of time on the CGI with them as compared to almost everything else in the trilogy. Eveyone states that PJ didn't like the design but if I remember correctly it was actually that he felt the CG was rushed on them and that's what he didn't like about them. I could be wrong though.

Anyone want to help clarify? And does anyone feel the same way?

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GothmogTheBalrog
Rivendell


Nov 9 2012, 3:41am


Views: 648
I like it.

Wink Very ferocious looking.

"It was like a great shadow, in the middle of which was a dark form, of man shape maybe, yet greater; and a power and terror seemed to be in it and go before it." ~FotR


thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 9 2012, 3:44am


Views: 688
That's what PJ has said

Like you, I didn't mind the wargs from the trilogy either. I find hyenas absolutely terrifying, so the mixed hyena-wolf design worked pretty well for me.

As for PJ's dissatisfaction, yes, you are correct. What he has said on the matter is that he would have liked more time to storyboard and develop the warg scene (which I also enjoyed; again, a minority position), as it was a chaotic shoot and some portions of its development were rushed.


Arthael
Lorien


Nov 9 2012, 3:44am


Views: 674
Haha I like that line of reasoning.

 

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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 3:45am


Views: 672
Like it (though it does look pretty CG). And agreed this is probably from the new trailer. //

 

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 3:52am


Views: 678
I still like the idea that these are pure-bred Wargs out of Angband...

while those of LotR had been cross-bred with a hyena-like animal from Far Harad.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Nov 9 2012, 4:05am


Views: 630
Are you sure that isn't Jacob? //

 


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 9 2012, 4:06am


Views: 614
Get out of here! ;) //

 


Ziggy Stardust
Gondor


Nov 9 2012, 4:07am


Views: 628
I like this conclusion

Actually, it sort of makes sense.


Ziggy Stardust
Gondor


Nov 9 2012, 4:08am


Views: 615
Oooh, don't go there.

Evil Angelic


thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 9 2012, 4:09am


Views: 626
I hope you're joking.

Tongue


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 4:10am


Views: 664
Agreed, this seems a pretty fool-proof explanation.

After all, there are bound to be more than one breed of Warg in ME. Wink

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 4:20am


Views: 597
Em...I must have missed who Jacob was? ;P //

 

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Nov 9 2012, 4:30am


Views: 605
Well after Skyfall it's the next big release

and the image does seem sort of random.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Nov 9 2012, 4:31am


Views: 610
Oh I don't believe that for a second

Laugh


thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 9 2012, 4:33am


Views: 596
So if this is from the last trailer (which it definitely seems to be), I wonder when the trailer will be released?

As soon as next week, maybe? Late November?


Owain
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 4:34am


Views: 583
Ooh good call. I like that!//

Smile

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Owain
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 4:35am


Views: 576
I would agree... and it is the right aspect ratio.//

 

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"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Owain
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 4:38am


Views: 576
Agreed.//

Smile

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


totoro
Lorien

Nov 9 2012, 4:38am


Views: 581
That's an awesome warg

I love the bat-like look.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 9 2012, 5:06am


Views: 593
Perhaps because it's not a wolf

But a warg. Wink


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 5:14am


Views: 558
Oh no!

Now I see why there was so much protest.

I thought it was a ToRN inside joke, like one of Richard Taylor's kids looked like Warg or something. Tongue

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 9 2012, 5:18am


Views: 597
This image comes from another new series of pics

Which include two news shots of goblins, and the White Council, posted by Mr. Gandalf here.

Those Misty Mountain goblins are looking brilliant.


SilvanElf7
Registered User


Nov 9 2012, 5:25am


Views: 555
Wow!

Fantastic looking - and properly terrifying for poor Bilbo!

"That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo, and it's worth fighting for."


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 5:41am


Views: 555
When I saw the Time Machine remake back in 2002, I couldn't help but feel that Stan Winston's Morlocks

would make proper TH Goblins.

How ironic that TH's goblins ended up looking like his Morlocks!

http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/...pg?v=8CE70FE0DEEB350

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/...time_machine_008.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/...ine02_morlock_cu.jpg

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


DarkJackal
Rohan


Nov 9 2012, 7:42am


Views: 695
No, this link

http://www.facebook.com/...fbid=304318676348257

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DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 9 2012, 7:56am


Views: 686
Looks like an altered version of the Warg and Rider from TTT? /

 

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DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 9 2012, 7:57am


Views: 675
Agreed!

I think I made that comment too a while back. I do hope for some of the FOTR Goblins though. Just because I liked them so much. Evil

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Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 8:01am


Views: 680
Now that's much better...

a great improvement on the hyena-wargs...looks horrifyingly ferocious!


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(This post was edited by Eleniel on Nov 9 2012, 8:02am)


macfalk
Valinor


Nov 9 2012, 8:29am


Views: 687
Very menacing - but not a wolf.

Sure, it's a warg, so it's not 100% a wolf... but still - I hoped they would have been more wolf-like.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 8:32am


Views: 658
Exactly...

As I keep saying it's more "Hound of the Baskervilles" than wolf, but still...better than a hyena! Wink


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort






thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 9 2012, 8:37am


Views: 692
That thing looks pretty wolf-like to me, without obviously being just a copy-and-paste wolf.

Personally, I've always imagined wargs as wolf-like beings distorted into almost a demon-like creature, with their features more inspired by wolves, which is what these appear to be. I can understand why some would have perhaps liked to see more of a wolf, but personally I think this approach is more interesting from a design standpoint without making the wargs not look distinctly wolfish. Just my opinion.


(This post was edited by thomasofrohan on Nov 9 2012, 8:42am)


Thorins_apprentice
Rohan

Nov 9 2012, 8:50am


Views: 653
Is this really from a new trailer.??

Excitement level rises.Cool

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Ereinion Nénharma
Lorien

Nov 9 2012, 9:57am


Views: 627
That's not possible...

because hyenas are not canids. They can't crossbreed with wolves.

But the most important thing; these wargs look great!

''Do not fear the shadows, for seeing them means light is near...''


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 9 2012, 10:00am


Views: 649
Saruman is an expert in genetic engineering.

 

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Ereinion Nénharma
Lorien

Nov 9 2012, 10:22am


Views: 604
Haha...

''Now, what Saruman and Sauron did at Isengard is create genetically engineered theme park monsters, nothing more and nothing less''.

''Do not fear the shadows, for seeing them means light is near...''


elevorn
Lorien


Nov 9 2012, 2:27pm


Views: 523
immediately made me think of Never Ending story

That terrifying wolf like creature, G'Mork (sp). I hope they don;t go over the top with the voices and let them be menacing in the vein of Jeremy Iron's villain characters. The design looks great not completely wolf, something far more sinister and evil, unnatural.

As far as the complaints about the CG, what do you want, wargs don't, there is going to be a CG look to it, because you know its CG. Just enjoy folks, people have spent countless hours on the design and painting and drawing of these things. their hearts are in the project and it already is far more than i could have ever hoped for. Smile



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Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 3:30pm


Views: 505
same here macfalk hehe, hoping for more wolfy appearance, but still pretty good I s'ppose//

 

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 9 2012, 3:43pm


Views: 489
I gave a problem with

Wolves being depicted as 'evil,' so I'm glad PJ is making it clear that this is a demonic type. A warg!


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 9 2012, 4:08pm


Views: 479
Indeed. Wolves are fabulous creatures.


In Reply To
Wolves being depicted as 'evil,' so I'm glad PJ is making it clear that this is a demonic type. A warg!


And there is a need for film makers to show some responsibility. An awful lot of sharks where killed following Jaws.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


macfalk
Valinor


Nov 9 2012, 4:13pm


Views: 460
Of course

I was in no way trying to imply that wolves are "evil". Rather the opposite - they are wonderful, majestic creatures. However, I don't know why wargs needs to be so different in facial design. A natural wolf can be menacing as well. I'm not saying they should have went with a plain wolf design, but I would have prefered if they resembled each other more.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 9 2012, 4:21pm


Views: 454
I'm sure

a natural wolf would have been even more menecing. Not to mention avoiding CGI.

But these wargs are going to get slaughtered and burned - the film doesn't work if people root for the wargs.

Not to mention the idiots who think that because they saw it in a movie, it's okay to kill wolves in real life.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 9 2012, 4:36pm


Views: 431
I doubt you'd be able to fit an orc on a real wolf. ;) //

 


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 9 2012, 4:43pm


Views: 425
Sure you could

You never seen monkeys riding dogs?

If you where going to use a real animal, you would actually use a dog/wolf hybrid, which aren't difficult to train, and can be larger than thoroughbred wolves. If it wasn't for the 3D, you could even use forced perspective to make it look larger.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 4:44pm


Views: 425
Except these wouldn't be wolves and hyenas

They're Wargs and "hyena-like things". Fantasy world and all that. Wink

BTW, if they ever make a JP prequel in the near future, IMO Chris Lee would be perfect for Norman Atherton, John Hammond's partner at InGen. He already has experience with genetics-related disasters as we've seen!

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 9 2012, 4:45pm


Views: 434
They are still not large enough, not by a long shot.

Maybe if you would use a midget for an orc...

p.s.
No, i haven't seen monkeys riding dogs.


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Nov 9 2012, 4:46pm)


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 6:54pm


Views: 388
This must become canon

They could mention something like that in the making-of documentaries. *fingers crossed*

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 6:57pm


Views: 429
The nose looks like a bat's nose

Actually, the whole design looks like mixture of a wolf and a bat. A reference to their demonic origin?

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Cave Troll
Rivendell

Nov 9 2012, 7:08pm


Views: 385
Brilliant design in my book...

Straight wolf antagonists would have been a hard sell.

This is a fantastic compromise - they're genuinely nasty whilst still unmistakably canine.


dave_lf
Gondor

Nov 9 2012, 7:11pm


Views: 401
Overheard at a certain New Zealand studio

"It would be kind of cool and at least a little canon to make the wargs be werewolves, but we're already doing vampires, and putting vampires and werewolves together would just be too much."
"Hold that thought..."


starlesswinter
Lorien

Nov 10 2012, 12:18am


Views: 401
Really? We're at that level of criticism now?

It's not enough that it's clearly inspired by a real-world wolf - it has to have specific wolf proportions? What's the art department to do if not come up with new designs?


starlesswinter
Lorien

Nov 10 2012, 12:27am


Views: 402
I liked the hyenas too

There are so many "evil wolf creatures" in fantasy movies that it was nice to have a change in design. Gmork in Neverending Story, the White Witch's wolves in Narnia, the wolf in Terry Gilliam's Brothers Grimm, now there's one in ABC's Once Upon a Time...I'm sure I'm forgetting others. Regardless of whether it's a fantasty convention, it's nice to have something different to look at. WETA's design was distinct. It was still canine - it's not like they made the wargs into giraffes. This is another one of the minor issues I think people fuss too much about.


imin
Valinor


Nov 10 2012, 12:32am


Views: 396
A hyena

is not a canine, it is infact more closely related to a cat than a dog.

I think people fuss over it as it is a visual error on the design teams part in most peoples mind - even in PJ's. When you think of warg and get told they are pretty much a wolf, you dont think of a hyena you think of a wolf.

it was similar in that it ran on four legs and had fur, thats about it.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 10 2012, 4:09am


Views: 403
You haven't???

Have you been living under a rock? Dog-riding monkeys are about as common as old ladies carrying grocery bags.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 10 2012, 4:13am


Views: 406
People fuss

Because they have strong opinions about these adaptations. As all of these things are subjective, there is no "too much fussing" or "too little fussing" about it.

People shouldn't be reprimand for expressing their opinions on art and entertainment.


starlesswinter
Lorien

Nov 10 2012, 5:45pm


Views: 377
But it still looks like a dog-like creature

Hyenas may be more like a cat biologically, but TTT creatures were only inspired by them. The wargs certainly looked more canine than feline.


imin
Valinor


Nov 10 2012, 5:52pm


Views: 376
Looks like a hyena - its not a warg, all i can say.

Though hyenas do look similar to dogs yeah.

Either way PJ regrets the design, loads of fans dont like the design and luckily for most, they have changed the design Smile

From what i have seen of the new design, personally i am very happy with the direction they have gone for wargs.


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 10 2012, 6:13pm


Views: 360
Agreed

I wasn't too bothered by TTT design. But TH Warg's are far superior. They look menacing and mean. Just what we need in these films.

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starlesswinter
Lorien

Nov 10 2012, 6:15pm


Views: 411
It's very extreme nitpicking, though, and for no good reason.

In the vast world Tolkien created, and certainly with regard to what's actually important in these stories, the biological features of a warg are pretty low on the list. By all means argue whether the filmmakers destroyed the essence of fate's role in the destruction of the Ring or whether their use of the Army of the Dead as an unstoppable battle-ender was poor, but the fact that these design choices for a relatively unimportant creature have "strong opinions" speaks volumes about how fans go to see these film adaptations. I don't know about you, but I love Tolkien's world for its themes and atmosphere, not for the shape of a warg's eyes.

I take issue with this whole thing because people seem to dislike when someone else's visual interpretation doesn't match up with what they saw in their own heads. It just brings back memories of when everyone was upset because the Balrog had wings or Legolas had blonde hair. Why on earth does it matter? When people start discussing whether Thorin's cloak isn't the right shade of blue or whether the plains of Rohan are too brown, it just becomes a giant, emotionless bingo game and loses the essence of the story. From an audience perspective it does, at least, because none of these things are what LOTR is actually about. These characters/creatures aren't defined by tiny design features but by their actions and decisions. You can by all means not like a particular design itself, but to hate it and call it "horrible" just because it isn't exactly how the author describes? That's rather petty and pretty much dooms any chance of having an open mind about these things.

I'm not reprimanding people for having opinions about art - I'm taking issue with some of the reasons they express them, which I don't happen to think are very fair.


imin
Valinor


Nov 10 2012, 6:30pm


Views: 346
hmm, its an interesting question

For me the wargs look bad themselves, irrespective of not looking like how Tolkien describes them - the design itself is bad i feel.

I totally get what you mean about not liking something just because it doesnt fit the book/ones own mental image. If anything its a failure of the success Tolkien's books have brought about. People connect with it so well and feel so strongly they have strong ideas about what things should be for nearly everything. Think of the balrog debate, it has been going on for years and will never end - does it matter? No, but people like sharing their own image and trying to prove they are right (just so you know im a no wings man).

I feel it is a curse almost of being a big fan. When watching the movie i dont actively go, 'well that looks different' or try and spot them, but as my mental image is so vivid from years of re-reading whenever it does change i cant help but notice it in some small way.

I think at this point in time 10 years after the lord of the rings - it has got to the point more of everyone on here (almost) agreeing they were very successful and are considered classics. It has come now into peoples mind how would they improve upon something.

It could be seen as praise for PJ that fans are having to get so ridiculously critical as more or less everything else was done great or good enough.

Personally i would see it as a positive that their isnt more major things to complain about. Also at this time before the release of the hobbit, we only have a small amount of footage to go off and so people are being very critical about that - once the movie starts people will just be enjoying it and proclaiming how PJ has done it again. After a period of 'omg the hobbit is aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamazzzzzzzzzing!' will come a period of analysing it - some will go deeper with their analyse than others.

Some its the general theme and feel of Tolkien that matters most (it does to me) for others it is in the little details that they get their enjoyment from seeing just as they pictured or described in the book.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 10 2012, 7:14pm


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Well, let's hope so. ;)


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once the movie starts people will just be enjoying it and proclaiming how PJ has done it again. After a period of 'omg the hobbit is aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamazzzzzzzzzing!'



Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 10 2012, 7:29pm


Views: 335
Its not extreme nitpicking

For many, Middle Earth is essentially a Western-European flavored mythology, and having hyena-like beasts in it just doesn't seem to feel right. On the other hand, wolves, which appear prominently in a number of northern European myths and legends, seem to be much more appropriate.

For some, these aesthetic choices are just as important as the narrative choices.

That's not "extreme nitpicking," its legitimate, well-reasoned opinion.


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Nov 10 2012, 7:29pm)


starlesswinter
Lorien

Nov 10 2012, 8:04pm


Views: 333
That doesn't work for all the mythology though

If you use that criteria, it has to apply to the rest of the world as well. Where do the elephant-like Mumakil come from then? Why does Tolkien mention tomatoes and potatoes and tobacco when they came from the New World? Do dragons have to have the feature of lizards that existed in Europe? Gandalf has fireworks, yet they were invented in China.

It's fantasy - there's nothing wrong with anachronisms. It's part of the fun!


DarkJackal
Rohan


Nov 10 2012, 10:22pm


Views: 321
I didn't say I hated it

I think it will work fine for a warg design actually. I'm just pointing out the difference between a real world wolf and this creation. Some people would prefer the wargs to be more wolf like than this, others don't care, and some would be bored with a big CGI wolf that looks like it came out of Twilight.

I think my preference would be just a bit more wolf-like, but it doesn't matter that much to me either way.

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DarkJackal
Rohan


Nov 10 2012, 10:59pm


Views: 316
Get used to it

These boards are full of people picking things apart. I'm a pretty detail oriented person, so part of what I find interesting about all these films are the little things, and why they chose to make them as they did. I point out the differences between this warg and a wolf because I want to understand them, not because I'm saying they are invalid choices for a fantasy creature. It may have come across that way, but that wasn't my intention.

"I take issue with this whole thing because people seem to dislike when someone else's visual interpretation doesn't match up with what they saw in their own heads."

As Shelob'sAppetite said, we all have a sense of aesthetics, which may play a greater or lesser part in our acceptance of the design of things. And to some, seeing wargs from the Hobbit onscreen for the first time is not "unimportant", whether or not it has anything to do with the overall themes of the story.

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(This post was edited by DarkJackal on Nov 10 2012, 11:01pm)


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Nov 13 2012, 1:10am


Views: 309
There. Now that makes sense! :) //

 



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