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Peter Jackson reveals running time



Carne
Tol Eressea

Oct 24 2012, 10:54am


Views: 2668
Peter Jackson reveals running time

I'll let you see for yourself Smile

http://www.empireonline.com/.../story.asp?NID=35587


Nine Finger Frodo
The Shire


Oct 24 2012, 11:01am


Views: 1542
Great

to hear this first film will be around 160 minutes. The EE will probably end up being around 190-200 minutes.
I do also think PJ will use more material as we get along this trilogy, just as with LOTR. There and Back Again could easily become a 4 hour EE then.

Stairs of Cirith Ungol


Welsh hero
Gondor


Oct 24 2012, 11:33am


Views: 1512
About as long as I expected when I heard it's becoming a trilogy

but it does make me think, how long was the cut that made PJ think "This should be a trilogy"

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MartyB
Rivendell


Oct 24 2012, 11:52am


Views: 1463
Good...

Pleased to hear it's long. :) Was worried for a while that WB were doing a cash grab.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 24 2012, 12:08pm


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Great to finally see it confirmed!

So around 2 hours 40 minutes is without the credits. Nice length! I was one of those fearing that the change from 2 to 3 films might result in shorter movies.


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 24 2012, 12:14pm


Views: 1410
Nice to see it confirmed!

Though he did say: "at the moment"! It could change. Cool

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Carne
Tol Eressea

Oct 24 2012, 12:22pm


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This interview was probably done a couple of weeks ago

So the 2h44m reported by Norwegian cinemas could be more accurate.


burgahobbit
Rohan


Oct 24 2012, 12:51pm


Views: 1407
The 170 minute report

Maybe including the credits (?), would justify Peter Jackson first saying that it would be ten minutes shorter than FOTR, then saying that FOTR was 3 hours, and then saying this is 2 hours and 40 minutes. Wink


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Oct 24 2012, 12:51pm


Views: 1386
Or the 2h50m subsequently "confirmed" by the Russian distributor //

 

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


DwellerInDale
Rohan


Oct 24 2012, 2:23pm


Views: 1329
So, is their information on content woefully out of date, or...

...is there still a glimmer of hope for Mirkwood? The article reads:

Finally, if you're curious about what to expect from all 160-odd minutes of Hobbity goodness, take a look at the extended scroll poster, the Lego sets ...

...both of which feature scenes that were supposedly cut and postponed until DOS.

Don't mess with my favorite female elf.



Welsh hero
Gondor


Oct 24 2012, 2:27pm


Views: 1277
The scroll was posted on their site in July//

 

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Oct 24 2012, 4:21pm


Views: 1198
Excellent

As expected.


WhiskFishercat
Bree


Oct 24 2012, 4:27pm


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perfect

I was hoping for another long trip to middle earth. yay!


Durin's Folk
The Shire


Oct 24 2012, 5:18pm


Views: 1139
The longer, the better!

am I right ladies?

"But a small dark figure that none had observed sprang out of the shadows and gave a hoarse shout: 'Baruk Khazâd! Khazâd ai-męnu!' An axe swung and swept back. Two Orcs fell headless. The rest fled."


Arandir
Gondor


Oct 24 2012, 5:46pm


Views: 1101
Hahaha! //

 


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 24 2012, 5:48pm


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So AUJ was originally around 5 hours?

I really hope this works out...there's a reason they usually don't include everything they've shot.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Oct 24 2012, 5:58pm


Views: 1099
Almost everyone here would say no.

 


sycorax82
Rohan

Oct 24 2012, 6:29pm


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I still don't get how you only make it to the Eagles in 160 minutes!

Lots of Rivendell dialogue scenes, complete with flashbacks, maybe...

Parts from the book are -

Shire
Trolls
Rivendell
Mountains
Goblin Town
Wargs

Extra material could amount to -

Frodo/Bilbo
Smaug/Erebor/Dale flashback
Gandald/Radagast/Morgul-blade
Gandalf/Dol-Guldur
Azog flashback
White Council meeting

This is going to amount to a LOT of talking and not much action. Of course, some of the flashbacks, if they happen, will contain action, though only briefly.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 24 2012, 6:35pm


Views: 1077
I doubt it's gonna be a lot of talking.

I just recently relistened the LOTR commentaries. They made the point a lot of times how they needed the story to get going, to not linger too long.


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 24 2012, 6:35pm


Views: 1114
FOTR "action" vs AUJ "action"

FOTR vs AUJ

Prologue - Dwarven flashback (attack of Smaug or Azanulbizar)
Weathertop - Troll scene
Watcher in the Water - Stone Giants
Moria - Gollum & Goblin Town
Amon Hen - Out of the Frying Pan

Seems about equal to me?

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Escapist
Gondor


Oct 24 2012, 6:36pm


Views: 1092
They still cut almost half.

This sounds reasonable.


Escapist
Gondor


Oct 24 2012, 6:47pm


Views: 1074
I agree.

There are also the non-action parts which are reasonably comparable>>>

Prologue - Dwarven flashback (attack of Smaug or Azanulbizar)
>>>Bilbo's Birthday / unexpected party
Weathertop - Troll scene
>>>Rivendell / Rivendell
Watcher in the Water - Stone Giants
Moria - Gollum & Goblin Town
>>>Lorien / (this is probably where some of those 20 minutes less of movie comes in ... roughly ...)
Amon Hen - Out of the Frying Pan

So maybe there is actually less talking and more action - and the talking is probably more hilarious and less dramatic. Probably no one dies.
This is something that will make some people like it better than LOTR and others less ... just like comparing the books.



DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 24 2012, 6:50pm


Views: 1051
Thank you for filling in the gaps :-)

I wonder if TH version of Lorien is Scene 88?

That would be another action sequence.

Smile

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FlyingSerkis
Rivendell

Oct 24 2012, 7:33pm


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Isn't there a lot more between Bilbo's birthday and Weathertop

than between Unexpected Party and the trolls?


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Oct 24 2012, 7:36pm


Views: 1025
Yes

But my guess is that PJ will fill that in with some additional stuff. We already know, for example, that he has added a scene where Gandalf describes a bet the dwarves made about whether or not Bilbo would show up. My guess is that we will get character-building scenes like that, and more, along the road.

In fact, this is one aspect that makes me very happy about the three-film decision. There is a lot more time to linger in places, rather than hop around like a video game.


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Oct 24 2012, 7:38pm)


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 24 2012, 7:37pm


Views: 599
I imagine there might be some padding

We've already seen from the alternate endings some padding (the scene with Gandalf discussing whether Bilbo would turn up or not).

Perhaps they stop off at Bree as well, and/or pass by the Barrow Downs.

And, of course, they don't match up completely. But they do make for a nice comparison.

Smile

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Escapist
Gondor


Oct 24 2012, 7:39pm


Views: 594
Well I haven't seen the movie to precisely compare

but I guess there is Bree to consider. I guess that Weather Top + Bree is roughly equal to traveling to, burgling, fighting, and escaping the Trolls. Of course it looks like the book is not being precisely followed in every detail so there could be more or less here or there.

The distance traveled is somewhat comparable - it's just that the dwarves make camp rather than stopping at the inn (according to the book). Who's to say if that is exactly what will happen in the movie, though.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Oct 24 2012, 7:39pm


Views: 589
I don't see it as padding though

I think these sorts of scenes will enhance the films greatly, particularly as PJ is at his best when he slows down a little (the Shire, bits of Rohan, etc).


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 24 2012, 7:41pm


Views: 587
I meant pad out the journey between the Shire and Trollshaw

It would be very easy to condense that part of the journey.

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Oct 24 2012, 7:43pm


Views: 580
Right

But I see "padding" as a negative term.

I would prefer to call it "enhancing" or "putting meat on the bones."

Padding implies that there's already meat on the bones, and anything extra is just a fat suit! Wink


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 24 2012, 7:45pm


Views: 585
Apologies

"Putting meat on the bones" might be a better term.

And the tastier it is, the better.

Smile

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(This post was edited by DanielLB on Oct 24 2012, 7:45pm)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Oct 24 2012, 7:46pm


Views: 587
Yes, but

I'm not sure how tasty "zombie goblin flesh" is going to be...


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 24 2012, 7:48pm


Views: 579
Now *that is* padding ;-) /

 

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Oct 24 2012, 7:50pm


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I might require some padding in my pants

To watch those scenes. Zombies freak me out!


FlyingSerkis
Rivendell

Oct 24 2012, 7:53pm


Views: 572
I'm pretty excited about the meat being added to the bones

And I'm one of those who adores most of what PJ added to LOTR (but please, no torrents of skulls...Crazy) so I'm cautiously optimistic Smile

I look forward to seeing the characterisation of the dwarves, and from trailer 2 it looks like there could be some 'campfire' scenes along the way too Smile And I love Ori already just from seeing the vlogs! I need more Ori!!


Also, I'm sure a lot of the added time will go towards enhancing the characterisation of the purse.


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Oct 24 2012, 7:56pm


Views: 583
I must have missed something in the link

where did PJ say the original cut of AUJ was around 5 hours?

Also, wasn't the original cut of Fellowship like 5 or 6 hours?

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Oct 24 2012, 7:56pm


Views: 556
Agreed

It was those sorts of campfire scenes that I thought were missing in LOTR, which was disappointing.

In most stories, I like the material in-between the big moments best. Plus, you can't have a fully satisfying film if there are only big moments.

Indeed, in order for a moment to be big, it must stand in contrast to smaller ones!


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Oct 24 2012, 7:58pm


Views: 576
If so

Where oh where are those additional three hours of film????

I hope he releases it all some day.


Fardragon
Rohan

Oct 25 2012, 7:20am


Views: 436
yes

But some of the stuff that didn't make it into Fellowship might go in here. For example, many of Barliman's lines didn't make it. If the Dwarves visit Bree for supplies, some may go to his great granddad.

There will at least be some travelling shots to create a sense of distance travelled.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 25 2012, 3:40pm


Views: 415
It's just over 2.5 hours...

And PJ has apparently cut out at least half of it (Beorn, Wood Elves/Thranduil/Legolas/Tauriel/Galion, the spiders, the enchanted stream, Bilbo's tree, Barrels out of Bond, and quite a bit of the Necro story). So, assuming the second half was around equal to the first, 2.5 + 2.5 = 5.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!