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A closer look at Bolg



DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 14 2012, 10:42am


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A closer look at Bolg

Title says it all really! Here's a closer look at Bolg:

Link

I love his look. Much scarier than I ever thought he would look.

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Aruakar
The Shire


Oct 14 2012, 10:47am


Views: 4192
One does not simply...

have a larger mace than the Witchking Evil
Edit: Or whatever kind of weapon this is...


"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by..."
-- Robert Frost --

(This post was edited by Aruakar on Oct 14 2012, 10:48am)


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Oct 14 2012, 10:55am


Views: 3948
His beard/hair looks like it's a living, sentinent creature of its own

Shoot him!

And cut off his tongue!

And then shoot the tongue!




But seriously, he looks good! So, so glad the villains are going to get more screen time and character developement. The various Orc/Uruk characters were enjoyable enough in LotR, so can't wait to see what we get this time.

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Oct 14 2012, 10:56am


Views: 4031
"Damn heavy"

"... 'cause it was damn heavy!"

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 14 2012, 12:19pm


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It looks like a back bone from a large animal?

Oliphaunt spine? Wink

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DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 14 2012, 12:19pm


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So, instead of the talking purse ...

Bolg's beard is going to squeak: "Ere! Oo are you?" Tongue

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DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 14 2012, 12:34pm


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I forgot to cite the source

Here is the original.

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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Oct 14 2012, 12:49pm


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An Oliphaunt vertebra would be about the size of Bolg himself

I know you were joking, but I had to.

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 14 2012, 12:57pm


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Baby oliphaunt ;-) /

 

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Anya
The Shire

Oct 14 2012, 1:29pm


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Looks like he is shredding a wild lefty guitar

 


Elessar
Valinor


Oct 14 2012, 2:37pm


Views: 3648
Just nasty looking

He's awesome looking. I would imagine tolkien creating something like this as Orcs can't be pretty looking. Blogs action figure gives you a good idea of how cool looking this is.



Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Oct 14 2012, 2:50pm


Views: 3724
He looks

Like a character out of the He-Man or Ninja Turtles cartoons. Astoundingly bad, IMO.

This is in sharp contrast to many of the other goblin designs, which are generally great.


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Oct 14 2012, 3:18pm


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I'm not wild about it, either

It looks to me like the intersection of both Jackson's and del Toro's worst tendencies (worst to my tastes, of course). The weapon is particularly ridiculous, and brings to mind the discussion in the extended edition commentary in which Jackson admits that he kept increasing the size of the Witchking's mace, despite advice from all corners not to.

That having been said, I'll wait until I see how it plays out before making a final judgment.

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thomasofrohan
Lorien

Oct 14 2012, 3:35pm


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That guy looks absolutely terrifying! Love the armor and make-up design

 


Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor


Oct 14 2012, 3:49pm


Views: 3578
Scary YES but Orcish NOT YET

He looks indeed scary. Much scarier than some LOTR orcs... but not really orcish (to me). His action-figure is much bigger than Gandalf. Well, he's descriped as big orc, but that big? I thought "big orcs" (Uruk-Hai) are as big as men? Because I can't interpret his face after the one or two different images we got of him. I hope it's not his beard but a kind of trophy. All in all he looks awesome but untill now I miss the typical orcish look.

"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 14 2012, 4:02pm


Views: 3528
Any idea where this is from?

Have pics from the Visual Dictionary started to appear online? Probably not, but one can dream! Tongue

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Carne
Tol Eressea

Oct 14 2012, 4:11pm


Views: 3471
I think the action figure height is a bit off

Conan Stevens (Bolg) is 2.16m tall and Ian McKellen is 1.8m.

There is definitely not this much of a height difference between the two actors: http://media.comicbookmovie.com/...ads/8073/hobtoy2.jpg


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 14 2012, 4:12pm


Views: 3587
It seems Azog and Bolg are part of a new Orc breed?

Sort of "Super-Duper-Ultra-Creepy-Hai"? Perhaps these Orcs are too independently-minded, too prone to follow their own agendas, thus why we don't see Sauron making use of this in the War of the Ring.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!

(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Oct 14 2012, 4:16pm)


Phibbus
Rohan


Oct 14 2012, 4:22pm


Views: 3521
Relatedly

There are some new (I think) pics of the Yazneg action figure packaging over at the French tolkiendrim.com site. I wish the red seal was legible.

Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.


Brandybuckled
Lorien


Oct 14 2012, 4:24pm


Views: 3467
yeah...

I love these movies and Weta, but I do wish more of the prominent weapon props looked more like weapons and less like props. I sometimes get the impression that whoever does the designs never was a student of ancient arms of any culture, never learned any blacksmithing, never had any martial arts training (western or eastern), and never even had to sharpen their own kitchen knives much.

Being a poor dilettante in each of the above, inspired in some small part by the books I read as a child by some old english guy or other, the clunky designs make my head hurt a bit.
Then again, I could be totally off and the hero props in the movies will look better than what I've seen in stills... The WK's flail didn't bother me that much at all, so so much for logic.

Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest. I'm still very excited about the movies and set design as a whole.Cool.
Hell, they could show 5 hours of Bilbo making cakes and drinking beer in his house and I'd buy the blu-rays and watch 'em 100 times.

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Carne
Tol Eressea

Oct 14 2012, 4:43pm


Views: 3412
Thanks for linking this!

New indeed Smile

Maybe he and Azog will be a part of the second AUJ wave of action figures?


Phibbus
Rohan


Oct 14 2012, 4:48pm


Views: 3402
I'm still not sure

How these characters are going to be rolled out. If we trust the Lego set for the "Out of the Fryng-Pan" scene, Yazneg will be there (and so in the first film.)

Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 14 2012, 5:24pm


Views: 3425
The over-sized mace or whatever looks like a matter of perspective to me.

The end of the weapon is thrust close in the foreground, making it seem larger when compared against Bolg who's standing further back. The mace with the BD toy is much more in proportion, and I assume it'll be closer to the less-exaggerated take in the film itself.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 14 2012, 5:25pm


Views: 3408
Meanwhile, the BD figure has what appear to be bear paws and bones on his back...

Friend of Beorn's? Might be a former Skin-changer, me thinks. Wink

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!

(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Oct 14 2012, 5:28pm)


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 14 2012, 5:27pm


Views: 3389
If Bolg had a blog, I wonder what it would be about?

General torture and dismemberment? His most inner-held hopes and desires? His impossible romantic fixation with Primula Brandybuck?

Could be fodder for something along the lines of those character diaries people wrote for LotR when the films were hitting theaters. Wink

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 14 2012, 6:32pm


Views: 2997
It's from here :-)

Link

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DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 14 2012, 6:33pm


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Thanks Phibbus. I missed this! /

 

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DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 14 2012, 6:36pm


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Daisy chain making, I imagine. /

 

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Brandybuckled
Lorien


Oct 14 2012, 6:49pm


Views: 2960
Recipes and such...

Or maybe travelogues? Probably some anti-elf politics and imp-rearing wisdom thrown in.

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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 14 2012, 6:49pm


Views: 2927
Thanks! :) //

 

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 14 2012, 6:51pm


Views: 2943
All distinct possibilities! ;) //

 

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 14 2012, 7:09pm


Views: 2997
Something like this: Bolg's travelogue of Dol Guldur

The house we were staying in is situated in a luxurious area of Mirkwood, within thirty minutes’ ride from Lothlorien. We stayed there for 2 weeks. Dol Guldur is a fairly large castle surrounded with a luxuriant garden.

The fortress consists of four bed-rooms, a living-room, a bathroom with a shower, a dinning-room, a kitchen and a toilet. It is air-conditioned and well-furnished. The living-room is decorated beautifully. Heads of famous Elves are hung on the walls.

On weekends, the Necromancer usually hosts party games. We play chess and drink tea with his friends. The slaves often keep the fortress clean and tidy.

Well worth a visit. 8.5/10

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Phibbus
Rohan


Oct 14 2012, 7:17pm


Views: 2898
Lol

Reminded me of an entry from Jonathan Harker's diary in Dracula.

Interesting that the setting for the photo does appear to be Dol Guldur.

Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 14 2012, 7:37pm


Views: 2872
Heehee! ;)

And yep, it seems to to further confirm that the ruined locale where Gandy encounters Thrain (and now apparently Bolg) is in fact the Fortress of Sorcery.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Oct 14 2012, 7:39pm


Views: 2889
Alas the red seal just says

Let the journey begin (in a few languages). It's the back of the box we need!

LR


Brandybuckled
Lorien


Oct 14 2012, 7:45pm


Views: 2889
Party games note

In one party game, Captain Agnaz made up a dirty limerick about why our host only had nine fingers. The Necromancer seemed somewhat unamused.

Must make sure next captain is mute.

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Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Oct 14 2012, 7:54pm


Views: 2867
Apparently Yazneg figures are in stock in UK Toys R Us stores

Just need some volunteer to pop in with a notebook and jot down the biography from the box.

LR


Carne
Tol Eressea

Oct 14 2012, 7:56pm


Views: 2850
Where did you hear this?

Wee need to know more about his character bio Crazy!


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Oct 14 2012, 8:08pm


Views: 2840
Just been on the Toys R Us

Website. They seem to have a "click and collect" option which then tells you which stores have it in stock. I get an "in stock" message for the ones near me in Manchester.

LR


Carne
Tol Eressea

Oct 14 2012, 8:12pm


Views: 2819
Must have been released recently

http://www.toysrus.co.uk/...48)?searchPosition=1


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 14 2012, 8:13pm


Views: 2851
My local TRU doesn't have a thing

Not a hint of Hobbit merchandise!

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Phibbus
Rohan


Oct 14 2012, 8:14pm


Views: 2836
Ahh...

OK, I see that tolkiendrim.com got their pic & zoom from the toysrus.co.uk page for the figure. No detailed description, though. The seal catchphrase makes sense now—the appearance of additional lines in the multi-lingual version had thrown me.

Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.

(This post was edited by Phibbus on Oct 14 2012, 8:21pm)


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea


Oct 14 2012, 10:04pm


Views: 2805
Bear Bones

Acording Bolg size could those bones of his coustume be of a bear? I mean that would give us a clue of what he found in his way to mirkwood and to dol guldur perhaps he killed one Beorns relatives and so filmakers could have a heavier drama to what happens at the bBOFA are those claws of his shoulder of a bear?

I can not guarantee his safety - understood...
Nor will I be responsible for his fate - Doh!

(This post was edited by isaac on Oct 14 2012, 10:06pm)


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Oct 14 2012, 10:08pm


Views: 2828
Well Azog is in the films in some form.

Finally found a pic of the back of the Bolg figure's box and he is mentioned as Bolg's sire.

Interestingly on the Bridge Direct site, the Bolg and Gandalf pack is entitled "Bolg and Battle Damaged Gandalf"

LR


Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Oct 14 2012, 11:15pm


Views: 2845
Loving his design overall, but still mega-annoyed that he's at Dol Guldur and therefore intimately linked with the Necromancer.. *sigh*//

 

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thoon
Bree


Oct 15 2012, 1:37am


Views: 2697
I agree, could be a new breed

It's been suggested that Bolg and/or Azog are tied into some sort of necromancy subplot. One of the character descriptions references one of them as being "thought dead" and Bolg definitely gives off a tattered, Frankenstein vibe. It's possible that the Necromancer is trying to create a stronger race of Orc through some sort of sorcery, planning to use them in the coming war. But while Bolg looks intimidating, he's still just one Orc (albeit supernaturally charged).

Enter Saruman with the White Council, and I can see where the concept of the Uruk-hai might have come from. Every dark wizard needs a horde of minions, especially when you have so much ground to cover searching for the ring. But the common orc is far too simple for the like of Saruman. He might see Bolg as an inspiration, as an experiment to be refined. However, the idea of magically strengthening individual orcs doesn't mesh with Saruman's obsession with mass produced mechanical efficiency. So instead of necromancy, Saruman breeds the Uruk-hai and engineers them as the truly "perfected" orc.


ElendilTheShort
Gondor


Oct 15 2012, 7:08am


Views: 2700
Hate to be negative after so many great designs

but the armour and weapons of Bolg represent everything that is bad about such things in movies which is a double shame given the fact that what we see of these in LOTR and other aspects of The Hobbit are considerably better than this and generally the best ever seen in non historical movies and even better than weapons and armour as seen in many historical movies. With these things less is more and being based in reality removes any ridiculous spectacle over the top designs impose on the movie audience. Orcs had the skill to make effective weapons and armour, Tolkien notes this on more than one occasion, unfortunately Bolg looks ridiculous.


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 15 2012, 7:15am


Views: 2662
Intimately linked?

It's only a PG-13, Xana. Wink

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Pipe Dream
Gondor


Oct 15 2012, 8:13am


Views: 2604
Armor?

I thought that was his own exposed ribcage...either I've been watching too much The Walking Dead the past few days or he's zombie Bolg.



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Aitieuriskon
Lorien


Oct 15 2012, 9:08am


Views: 2596
It's not his own ribcage

On the action figure it's easier to tell that it's not his. He also has someone's spinal column attached to his back. Someone posted a good number of closeup shots of the figure a while back, but it's lost in the avalanche of new threads now.

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Fardragon
Rohan

Oct 15 2012, 9:20am


Views: 2682
"I wear dead people." -Bolg

 

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 15 2012, 9:32am


Views: 2683
Here's the thread:

Thread and the source.

Smile

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redgiraffe
Rohan

Oct 15 2012, 9:33am


Views: 2702
I feel the same way


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but the armour and weapons of Bolg represent everything that is bad about such things in movies which is a double shame given the fact that what we see of these in LOTR and other aspects of The Hobbit are considerably better than this and generally the best ever seen in non historical movies and even better than weapons and armour as seen in many historical movies. With these things less is more and being based in reality removes any ridiculous spectacle over the top designs impose on the movie audience. Orcs had the skill to make effective weapons and armour, Tolkien notes this on more than one occasion, unfortunately Bolg looks ridiculous.


I hate to be negative as well, but one of the things the entire production crew prided themselves on was the fact that they wanted LOTR to seem like it had some grounding in history - which was Tolkien's original intention in the first place, IMO.

All of their armor designs thus far have maintained a historical feel to them. Everything has felt real, functional, and no cheesy. But Bolg kind of stands out dramatically. SA, said it best, he looks like he's something you would see in a "he-man" movie. It just looks like his costume is kind of b-grade cliche fantasy. I have no problems with things like his face and beard and such but it's his wardrobe that doesn't do it for me.

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-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


redgiraffe
Rohan

Oct 15 2012, 9:37am


Views: 2709
resemblance

I actually just realized what it is that he reminds me of. He reminds me of Goldar from the power rangers tv show.

http://27.media.tumblr.com/...rhMZdFkxZGo1_400.jpg

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 15 2012, 12:50pm


Views: 2634
Can you explain to us what is so non-functional about him? //

 


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Oct 15 2012, 1:06pm


Views: 2661
Exactly

There's just too much going on with this guy. He's over-designed, and none of it is very good.

This is definitely not a Del Toro design, either. Even though his can be OTT by some standards, they are always clean and coherent designs.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 15 2012, 1:11pm


Views: 2683
Please don't pretend to know what is and what is not Del Toro.

Clean and coherent can mean 100 things for 100 people.


redgiraffe
Rohan

Oct 15 2012, 1:18pm


Views: 2628
functional

I wasn't saying necessarily that this design wasn't functional or doesn't look functional, even though it looks like I sort of worded it like that.

I was just noting certain aspects of the LOTR armor designs and that the functional look was one aspect.

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 15 2012, 1:20pm


Views: 2614
So what do you not like about it? //

 


dave_lf
Gondor

Oct 15 2012, 1:40pm


Views: 2609
It's just too much

It's like the design of Rohan where they said "the Rohirric culture values horses, so we'll slap a horse on everything." Only this time it's "the guy's called the Necromancer so it'll all be bones, and this time let's forget about taste." He looks like the killer from a schlocky Halloween movie.


(This post was edited by dave_lf on Oct 15 2012, 1:41pm)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Oct 15 2012, 1:40pm


Views: 2641
I am very familiar with Del Toro's style

And this just ain't it. Smile


Bombadil
Half-elven


Oct 15 2012, 1:47pm


Views: 2611
3 Things

1. I remember that John Howe is an Expert in Medevell
Weaponry. So he probably helped in the Weapons.
2. Remember how Mirkwood looked with Heightened colors
because the Red Epic cameras eat color.
So here we have character that Also needs heightened
Coloring to photograph well.
3. War paint like American Indians did to to frighten their
enemies.

So that said
Bomby is fine with it.


redgiraffe
Rohan

Oct 15 2012, 1:53pm


Views: 2609
It's a bit difficult to explain but I will do my best

Personally, I think it looks kind of cheesy. It's just my opinion, though. I mean I still haven't seen it in the film so I might have a completely different opinion.

I guess I just feel like it stands out too much. All of the other armor designs have seemed to have a more historical feel to them. They all look like armor I could imagine someone wearing with respect to what type of group they were in. Bolg's design feels more fantasy than historical to me. IMO, this is a big contrast to every other bit of armor I've seen in LOTR and pics/vids for the hobbit.

In LOTR, even the more ornate designs like Sauron, the elves, and the witch-king, seemed quite fitting for the culture and weren't over the top in my opinion. They still had more of a historical feel than a fantasy feel to them.

And what I've seen of the warg-riding orcs armor design looks pretty good. It seems like a lot of bones and junk sort of thrown together. It looks like Bolg has sort of followed that pattern but taken too far to the extreme to where it stands out too much. It doesn't look like a natural choice of armor for an orc, or really anyone, IMO.

When I look at Bolg, I'm just kind of reminded of b-grade fantasy movies from the '80's. A big part of the design that I don't like is the shoulders. It just has a cheesy look to it IMO.

I share the same feeling as SA, that there's too much going on with his costume. He looks over-designed, and to me the design isn't at all interesting.

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle

(This post was edited by redgiraffe on Oct 15 2012, 1:56pm)


Phibbus
Rohan


Oct 15 2012, 2:06pm


Views: 2571
Ha


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He looks like the killer from a schlocky Halloween movie.

I forgot about Friday the 13th - Part 3(-D). There were lots of scenes like this with Jason's weapon-of-the-moment coming out of the screen at you. Let's hope there is no intentional homage.

Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 15 2012, 2:07pm


Views: 2586
Fair enough.

I find it in line with LOTR orcs. There were all kinds of orcs, really. To me, it's difficult to say, this fits in, this does not. Some orcs also wore elaborate stuff, like that one in ROTK with a head on a stick on his helmet. Compared to that some bones is nothing. Wink


redgiraffe
Rohan

Oct 15 2012, 2:26pm


Views: 2557
good point


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I find it in line with LOTR orcs. There were all kinds of orcs, really. To me, it's difficult to say, this fits in, this does not. Some orcs also wore elaborate stuff, like that one in ROTK with a head on a stick on his helmet. Compared to that some bones is nothing. Wink


At the end of the day it's really hard to understand our own subjective opinions of why we like or dislike something. You brought up the ROTK orc with the head sticking out. I have absolutely no way of explaining or even fully understanding why I don't find that design cheesy but I find Bolg to be cheesy. I'm just weird in some ways I guess Crazy.

As you said, there are lots of different orc designs that we've seen. And to me I do think it does fit in with the concept of some of the orc armor but I guess I just feel it's so much more extreme that it doesn't seem to naturally "fit in". Just my opinion though. But I agree it's difficult to say what fits in and what doesn't.

But really all we've seen is these pics of Bolg that aren't actually from scenes in the film. It's quite clear it's a guy in costume on a set because those are the only pics we have seen. In the movie it could feel completely different when we see it on screen. It might seem to fit more naturally, to me, on screen when I see it in context.

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DarkJackal
Rohan


Oct 15 2012, 2:35pm


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Interesting idea about Bolg inspiring Saruman

I was thinking something along those lines too.



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GoodGuyA
Lorien

Oct 15 2012, 3:14pm


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What? There's only two pieces of Rohirrim culture where the horses are evident

It's not on the armor... It's only on the Golden Hall and Theoden's sword. Otherwise there's no "horse horse is a horse, of course" visualization.


Elenorflower
Gondor


Oct 15 2012, 3:48pm


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Its horrible

but not in a good way. Mad I should think he is rubbish in battle, he's got so much stuff on and spiky pointy bits he would catch on passing things and get stuck. and he would get stuck fast in caves with all those antler things,
and running would be a problem too. Its just too much design and aesthetically it just looks like a big messy cartoon.


(This post was edited by Elenorflower on Oct 15 2012, 3:57pm)


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Oct 15 2012, 4:12pm


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All those lovely projections...

Lots of places for weapons to catch onto, including on his mace (or whatever that is supposed to be). If he's lucky, Bolg can use that to disarm opponents, but it can just as easily be used against him.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Oct 15 2012, 4:14pm


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To me he looks like

A second-string cast member from Cats who, dissatisfied with his job, leaves the production, joins up as a roadie for Twisted Sister until he is kicked off the bus, and then joins the Texas Chainsaw Massacre clan.


Elenorflower
Gondor


Oct 15 2012, 4:31pm


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he he!

that funny, Cats, he does look a bit feline, a Cowardly Lion gone Post-Apocalyptic?


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 15 2012, 5:21pm


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He has similarities with a Kilrathi.

Anyone knowing what a Kilrathi is (without googling) gets a cooky.


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Oct 15 2012, 5:29pm)


sharpened_graphite
Rivendell

Oct 15 2012, 5:59pm


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The lion-esque aliens from the Wing Commander games...

Those were the days. Cool

I quite like the design myself, it IS 80's in its style, but also looks like something that could be drawn by Arthur Rackham. The face is much closer to my personal vision of orcs than 90 % of the orcs in the trilogy. Certainly better than the Uruk-Hai of Lurtz's mould, which recalled to my mind warriors from some South Seas cannibal tribe rather than Tolkien's orcs.


dave_lf
Gondor

Oct 15 2012, 6:09pm


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I think

it's bad luck to mention Kilrathi while discussing film adapations.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 15 2012, 6:10pm


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Wow, somebody else knows!

You, sir, are a fine specimen. Wink

LOVED those games. Btw, as it turns out, the creator of Wing Commander is returning to games after a long hiatus. He needs our support. Wanna pledge money? Head over here:
http://www.robertsspaceindustries.com/

Here's a trailer: http://www.youtube.com/...ed&v=RlIWJlz6-Eg

Sorry for the off-topic. Blush


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Oct 15 2012, 6:11pm)


dave_lf
Gondor

Oct 15 2012, 6:13pm


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If it's for a MMORPG version of Privateer, I'm so in //

 


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 15 2012, 6:16pm


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Well, David's Arnold's main theme was pretty good, IMO...

But as for the rest of it, yeah, that film was not the best example of an adaptation!

Creepily, my principal in high school was named Mrs. Kilrathi (or something very similar to it as I recall). Eeek! ShockedCool

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Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 15 2012, 6:17pm


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It is.

And a Wing Commander style single player / co-op. Both games in one. Provided he gets enough funding.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 15 2012, 6:22pm


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Yeah, the movie adaptation was awful.

Chris Roberts is a better game developer than filmmaker, that's for sure.

I see more people chiming in on Wing Commander. Makes me happy. So, so sad that space sims as a genre have pretty much disappeared.


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dave_lf
Gondor

Oct 15 2012, 6:23pm


Views: 2568
Are you serious?

I didn't really expect that's what it would be, but I've been thinking since forever that someone needed to remake that game as an MMO. I'm going to have to check it out...


sharpened_graphite
Rivendell

Oct 15 2012, 6:23pm


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Would be great!

It's about time the space sim genre was brought back in all its glory. There was a real sense of beauty and wonder about those old Wing Commander games, and it's good to see that they apparently intend to recapture it.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 15 2012, 6:36pm


Views: 2554
I am! :)

You'll be able to be a merchant, explorer, mercenary or pirate and roam the galaxy with fellow players. The bigger ships can be manned by more players (a pilot, a gunner etc), you will be even able to board other ships and battle on foot like a first person shooter. That's the plan, anyway. I have a feeling he's being a little too ambitious but even if he manages to implement half of that it could be a great game for genre fans.

Here's a one hour video with the reveal and Q&A:

http://www.gamespot.com/...es_gdc_panel20121010


ElendilTheShort
Gondor


Oct 15 2012, 7:52pm


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What is non functional

are the dead bones as armour and weapons. After death bones become very brittle. Poor armour and even worse weapons. His mace is simply ridiculous. As Otaku points out all those projections would be more to the detriment of Bolg than any of his enemies.


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 15 2012, 8:12pm


Views: 2549
Everything in Middle-earth works a bit differently!

There's a magic ring that turns the wearer invisible after all! Wink

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Elenorflower
Gondor


Oct 15 2012, 9:57pm


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this Bolg chappie

looks a lot like the Austrian/Tyrol Krampus


Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Oct 15 2012, 10:47pm


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rofl you joker you :P ... but seriously ...

I don't like it :¬(.. I ultimately wont mind.. but still

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GothmogTheBalrog
Rivendell


Oct 16 2012, 12:19am


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That mace wouldn't work.

It's all just too much.

"It was like a great shadow, in the middle of which was a dark form, of man shape maybe, yet greater; and a power and terror seemed to be in it and go before it." ~FotR


Phibbus
Rohan


Oct 16 2012, 1:34am


Views: 2461
Well...

I think it would work up to a point (no pun intended.) I wouldn't want to be the first one to get hit with it.

But yeah, long protuberances on either armor or weapons are generally a no-no. They tend to snap off (as likely to injure the owner as the opponent) and channel incoming blows rather than glancing them.

Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.


Fardragon
Rohan

Oct 16 2012, 6:52am


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That would depend on the function.

I would imagine the function is to intimidate and humiliate his enemies, and perhaps a superstitious belief that he gains power from the items. Same reasons scalps, shrunken heads, and other body parts are worn in some real life cultures.

Nothing to do with physical protection.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


ElendilTheShort
Gondor


Oct 16 2012, 10:00am


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I was referring to the functionality

of armour protecting against weapons and weapons as implements of physical offense. Bone armour and weapons like that would splinter and shatter under relatively little stress. They are a total departure from what has come before from these film makers.

The skull on a helmet in ROTK is totally different. That orc is wearing other protection, the skull is there to terrify with no pretense of offering protection.


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Fardragon
Rohan

Oct 16 2012, 10:15am


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But that's it, the bones aren't armour, they are decoration and trophies

The highly functional weapons and armour are largely designed by the cold, analytical mind of Saruman. We see Mordor orcs have more of a taste for impractical detailing (as seen in Frodo and Sam's Mordor disguise).

Bolg's gear isn't intended to stop a sword, it is intended to intimidate (especially the other orcs he commands).

Red coats don't stop bullets either...

A Far Dragon is the best kind...

(This post was edited by Fardragon on Oct 16 2012, 10:15am)


ElendilTheShort
Gondor


Oct 16 2012, 11:01am


Views: 2416
I thought is was noted somewhere it was armour

if not then your point is fair and myself and others commenting on what we thought was armour are wrong, but that thing he holds is definitely a weapon.

Functional arms and armour were not the sole domain of Saruman, at least not intended by my comments, I was talking about all the LOTR arms and armour and other arms and armour seen in TH. Sure it is not faultless, for example there are too many cases of armour with exposed necks which realistically is one of the places on the body to have priority of protection, but at least on the whole the rest of what we have seen has been highly plausible apart from maybe the OTT Witch Kings morning star.


Fardragon
Rohan

Oct 16 2012, 11:05am


Views: 2419
We meet Bolg

at home in Dol Guldur, where he is busy torturing prisoners and intimidating minions. He isn't geared for war like most of the orcs in LotR.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Oct 16 2012, 3:24pm


Views: 2413
Agreed

There is nothing wrong with orcs wearing clothing and armor that serves purposes other than defense (such as inspiring fear, or being ceremonial). Bolg, in film 1, seems to not be an army captain anyway, so he doesn't need to be that functional. Plus, war chiefs in numerous tribes, kingdoms and empires could wear some incredibly outlandish stuff.

But that's not the problem with Bolg.

The problem with Bolg is that he looks like some cheap fantasy character from an 80s TV show.


dave_lf
Gondor

Oct 16 2012, 3:51pm


Views: 2417
Their *eating utensils* have horse motifs

They talk about it in the EE.


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Oct 16 2012, 3:52pm


Views: 2450
My immediate tetative reaction is the same

But I still hold that depending on what his role in the film really is the look could work better than it seems to me right now.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Oct 16 2012, 5:52pm


Views: 2366
Also not a fan of that one-note design

Rohan = horses everywhere
dwarves = everything is angular and geometric
elves = everything is art nouveau mixed with pseudo-Japanese

Though I think the Rohirrim were the best designed of the whole lot, I would prefer a less one-dimensional depiction of cultures.

The design work for the cultures of Laketown, and Dale, seems to be a tad more complex, so there is hope.


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 16 2012, 6:00pm


Views: 2599
You'll be pleasantly surprised with the cultures of Laketown, Shelob'sAppetite. :-)

I hope, anyway! Wink

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