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Aruakar
The Shire


Oct 12 2012, 9:43am


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Pictures of Thranduil, Elrond and Legolas etc. from Frankfurt Book Fair (Spoiler)

herr-der-ringe-film.de has posted some photos from the Frankfurt Book Fair, including a new picture of Thranduil
http://www.herr-der-ringe-film.de/...okfair8-cb117116.JPG
a picture of Legolas:
http://www.herr-der-ringe-film.de/...okfair7-cb117116.JPG
and the one of Elrond in armor known from the calendar:
http://www.herr-der-ringe-film.de/...okfair9-cb117116.JPG
Then there`s a picture of a mysterious altar-like thing among the action figures:
http://www.herr-der-ringe-film.de/...okfair5-cb117116.JPG
and some orc from a card game
http://www.herr-der-ringe-film.de/...kfair11-cb117116.JPG


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I took the one less traveled by..."
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Valandil ed Imladris
Lorien


Oct 12 2012, 9:55am


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altar = white council?

I'm really looking forward to see Hugo Weaving all badassed up in his armor! :D


Anya
The Shire

Oct 12 2012, 9:56am


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Thranduil does not look rustic

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DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 12 2012, 9:56am


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Awesome! Thanks for these!

Thranduil looks so majestic! I really like his look!

The altar - very strange? Is it Hobbit related? I don't recognise the runes?

And that Orc looks like Gothmog!

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Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 12 2012, 10:04am


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Thanks for the pics :)

But that's not Alatar (unfortunately!) The two action figures are of Tauriel and Gandalf.



Padfoot
Bree


Oct 12 2012, 10:06am


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Awesome

Awesome pictures!

I don't think the Altar is Hobbit-related. TheHobbit.com has a wallpaper creator, and one of the pictures shows Elrond standing at a table that looks very much like this altar! Also I have seen a picture of Elrond, Bilbo and Thorin standing around a table that looks like this. So I think it's more White Council related.


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DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 12 2012, 10:10am


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They're two very different designs

Link

I'm not entirely convinced the altar is Hobbit related.

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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea


Oct 12 2012, 10:18am


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Im sorry

but I cant reconcile myself with Thranduil yet, I look upon Elrond and I feel : thats an Elven chief, then I look upon Thranduil and...Thats all but seriousness for me, I mean Thranduil could be serious and powerfull in his manner, but this outfit (IMO always) shows his self love, or somethng, wich (IMO) shows him as a ridiculous but powerfull lider, I dont know, I know there is A LOT to be shown of him that will change my mind but now thats a little bit how i feel...

I can not guarantee his safety - understood...
Nor will I be responsible for his fate - Doh!


Padfoot
Bree


Oct 12 2012, 10:28am


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The altar

What I meant was this one.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm4265847040/tt0903624

One can't really make out what's beneath the ice, but it could be...


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DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 12 2012, 10:33am


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That link doesn't work

This one?

Smile

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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor


Oct 12 2012, 10:42am


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That's Fimbul...

I think it's the only orc so far that looks like a LOTR-orc to me. See: Fimbul the Hunter

I like Legolas in his woodland-armor. Unfortunately we won't see him untill December 2013. But I think the design of Thranduils elves is more sylvan-based. And I think even Thranduils look is great. It would have been boring to see a second Elrond or Celeborn. Different elves different looks. The people from Rohan or Harad do also look different to the people of Gondor or Rhn. And the people of Dale are also going to look different although all are men. I am looking forward to see these different cultures. That is one of the many reasons why I like Middle earth so much.

And to speak about Elronds armor... it looks great. I liked his armor at the Battle of the Last Alliance but this improved version looks much better! But still I am not sure WHY he is wearing it. Flashbacks the Battle of Fornost against the Witch Kings armies? Flashbacks to one of the Battles against Sauron? Or is he fighting in the Battle of Dol Guldur? Because he never wears an armor in LOTR outside a battle I guess that we will see Elrond fighting in a Battle. Great! Smile

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Misto
Lorien

Oct 12 2012, 10:59am


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Legolas is daddy's boy, eh? ;-)

I've got to agree to the point that I cannot imagine Thranduil in armor with the "alright, bring it on then" attitude we've seen Elrond display before and that seems to be repeated in TH - judging from that one picture. But then again the look fits for Legolas' father imo. To me the entire design of Legolas always screams "(Probably spoiled) king's son who is out hunting for a bit of fun" and Thranduil just goes nicely with that impression.
And even though it is really hard to judge from photopgraphs I kind of miss the natural grace and sheer presence of personality the other elf lords seem to have.
Having said that I should add that I'm biased. I really like Elrond as a character and I like Hugo Weaving's interpretation a lot, too.Blush


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Padfoot
Bree


Oct 12 2012, 11:49am


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Ice Table


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Dang, why doesn't it work? Mad

Yep, this one. It was a little more close-up but that's it.


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Fardragon
Rohan

Oct 12 2012, 12:03pm


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It looks like a representation of "The Green Man"

Maybe a Tom Bombadil cameo?
Wink

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Oct 12 2012, 12:23pm


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It's intentional. He's a Sinda of Doriathin origin, not a Silva. //

 

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Oct 12 2012, 12:25pm


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Thranduil looks better in that dress than I ever will

And Legolas has updated his mini skirt + high leather boots style to include a corset aswell.

Suddenly I understand the Dwarves.

(Joking, joking, all just joking.)

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 12 2012, 12:58pm


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New Orc design I imagine. /

 

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painjoiker
Grey Havens


Oct 12 2012, 1:47pm


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I bought that t-shirt with Fimbul on it!

I thought it was pretty cool :D

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Elutherian
Rohan


Oct 12 2012, 1:58pm


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EYEBROWS!!!!!....

....Also, that "altar" looks like something straight out of Del Toro's mind.

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dave_lf
Gondor

Oct 12 2012, 1:59pm


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That Thranduil picture

should ideally be viewed with heavy electric guitar riffs playing in the background. In 1983.


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Oct 12 2012, 2:48pm


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*gasp* Wonderful!

I'm so stunned with how Legolas and Elrond are so timeless! These 2 gents are STILL unchanged... which makes these movies all the more exciting for me! *twitch* Love having another peek at the (possible) Goblin-town orc.

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Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Oct 12 2012, 3:14pm


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lol yes indeed @ 'unfortunately' Quite weird that altar, I don't think it's Hobbit either... but you never know.

as for Thranduil... he looks nice, but rather too glitz and glam . .. One thing I would like is if they were to show a clear ethno-cultural difference between the Sindarin and Silvan elves. That would be mega-awesome. Maybe this visual look would be one of those separators? .. .. Maybe the Silvan elves will be portrayed as more easy-going life loving elves?... We shall see..

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Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 12 2012, 3:16pm


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I really need to get some sleep!

I thought we were talking about Alatar the Blue Wizard... not an altar Unimpressed



Magpie
Immortal


Oct 12 2012, 3:49pm


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problem solving your link issue:

The text that is displayed reads: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm4265847040/tt0903624

but the url address it's trying to link to is: http://http//www.imdb.com/media/rm4265847040/tt0903624

you have two sets of "http" and one set is missing a colon.

When you use the link button here at TORn, the http:// is already in the window that pops up. It is important that you erase that when you are pasting a link address into it.

I'm not sure why the second http is missing the colon. That should be the one you pasted.

But, that's what went wrong.


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Magpie
Immortal


Oct 12 2012, 3:52pm


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I think it looks more like a dragon

the hole is curious. Why the hole? The crystals suggest a cave setting. But the trees... not so much.

The runic writing doesn't look familiar.

edit: just posted further down... this altar is not from The Hobbit:

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UPDATE: As we know Constantine had just now, it is at the mysterious altar a piece of terrain from Schleich figures from the series to the fairy kingdom Bayala that has nothing to do with the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings. Why it was at Warner in HOBBIT showcase will forever remain a mystery. Thanks Konstantin for the info!


find link to original article in my other post.


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Magpie
Immortal


Oct 12 2012, 3:57pm


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Link to Original Article and update on Altar - not from The Hobbit

Here's the article those images belong to: http://www.herr-der-ringe-film.de/...filme/news_95680.php

I think it's always good to post a link to the article as well as the images. For one thing, it's a courtesy to the hosting website. For another, it lets us get more information.

On the article page, there is an update. My google translation of the German is:

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UPDATE: As we know Constantine had just now, it is at the mysterious altar a piece of terrain from Schleich figures from the series to the fairy kingdom Bayala that has nothing to do with the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings. Why it was at Warner in HOBBIT showcase will forever remain a mystery. Thanks Konstantin for the info!



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Eye's on Guard
Lorien


Oct 12 2012, 4:20pm


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They were probably going for the White Council table look? //

 


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 12 2012, 4:51pm


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Thank you for the update Magpie :-)

I thought it was out of place.

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Magpie
Immortal


Oct 12 2012, 4:57pm


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when I saw the runes...

I was fairly convinced it was, as well. Trying to fit the dragon, the trees, and the crystals together was certainly baffling.


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Aruakar
The Shire


Oct 12 2012, 5:12pm


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Sorry, forgot about the link to the article [:/] /

 


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Anya
The Shire

Oct 12 2012, 6:06pm


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I got it wrong way round then

I thought the Sinda had adopted the simple mien of the Silva.


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Oct 12 2012, 6:51pm


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Indeed, that was Oropher's intention

But the movie crew have chosen to give the audience visual clues to the history of Mirkwood by making Thranduil and Legolas all silvery, in contrast with the dark browns and greens.

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Elenorflower
Gondor


Oct 12 2012, 9:38pm


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Elrond

looks amazing! yay! Heart

not so sure about Thranduils glam-rock boots though.


Anya
The Shire

Oct 12 2012, 10:03pm


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I was not aware of that

Maybe with the three film format a bit of backstory on Thranduil's history can be spared. Thran d u i l.

I have issues with the 'i' in the end of Thranduil. My fingers just want to peck out the ' dul.' I suspect hearing Thran 'dool' in my head is the cause. I had trouble grasping just what Lee Pace's pronunciation on the vlog was, so I'm stuck with dool


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Oct 13 2012, 12:48am


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Oooh - I want Legolas's boots.

They look gorgeous. (Just the thing for jumping over large spiders.)

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Saurons master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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DarkJackal
Rohan


Oct 13 2012, 12:50am


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2 Thumbs up on Elrond in armor

Looking very classy here. But I always loved Elrond.

Can't get behind Thranduil's fashion sense yet (ever??) Just seems very awkward. Maybe in motion it will be better.



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lfwine Samylfin
Bree


Oct 13 2012, 2:15am


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I believe in addition

They are catching onto this line as the basis for Thranduil's design:

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If the elf-king had a weakness, it was for treasure, especially for silver and white gems.... [emphasis mine] (TH, 155)




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Elenorflower
Gondor


Oct 13 2012, 1:00pm


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howz about

Thran-drool? he is rather lovely. In a Lucius Malfoy Badboy Dandy kinda way.


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Anya
The Shire

Oct 13 2012, 3:47pm


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I'll agree to that

I just listened to Lee Pace on vlog 8 again. He speaks it as Thran dwol. I'll bet there will be more than one pronounciation flying in the flim.


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 13 2012, 4:23pm


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Same goes for Smaug


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I'll bet there will be more than one pronunciation flying in the film


I say it something like Thran-du-will. Kind of?

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Escapist
Gondor


Oct 13 2012, 4:36pm


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You are right.

I say it real fast: Thran[thw]il
The part in [ ] I kind of drop almost like a contraction but not completely


Anya
The Shire

Oct 13 2012, 6:51pm


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That may have been what Pace was aiming for

"Thran-du-will." That might be the nearest to right.

I prefer Sma -ow-g. My friends say Smog. I also say sa-ow-na for sauna and get no end of grief from friends who say its a saw-na. They remind me that sausage is not saow-sage and August is not Ow-gust. Nevertheless I'm sticking to smaowg and saowna. Don't get me started.


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Magpie
Immortal


Oct 13 2012, 7:10pm


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sa-ow-na is the Finnish pronunciation

And the one used by the old guard in upper Minnesota... where saunas abound.

And since sauna is a Finnish word, it is the original way to pronounce it.


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Carne
Tol Eressea

Oct 13 2012, 7:14pm


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Thran-du-ill I how I pronounce the name

 


Finrod
Rohan


Oct 13 2012, 10:06pm


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Spelling things out does not work


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Thran-du-ill I how I pronounce the name


You really cannot use these faux-English spelling pronunciations to tell anyone how you are saying something. You have to either use IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet) symbols, or less precisely, rhyme sets for vowels or common words for consonants. For example, Smaug has the same vowel (diphthong, actually) as in English now and trout.

According to Appendix E from The Lord of the Rings:
  • th represents the voiceless th of English thin cloth.
  • r represents a trilled r in all positions. This is the sound in Spanish perro.
  • a repesents the a in English father not the one from English apple.
  • n and d have the normal English values, so as in English blender.
  • ui represents the diphthong in English ruin.
  • l is the l of English let not the one from English full.
Lastly, it is a two-syllable word stressed on the first syllable. Putting that all together, in IPA, this is quite simply /ˈθran.duil/, which shows you just how phonetic Tolkiens languages were.

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151
while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311




Escapist
Gondor


Oct 13 2012, 10:36pm


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The proper way of saying sounds so distinguished and musical.

I like it ... however ... I fear that I must confess to a certain tendency in the U.S.A. towards the shortening of names so that they might be spoken in a single exhaled syllable (that doesn't require a breath first) (at least in my neck of the woods).

I wasn't suggesting that Thran[thw]il (with a long "a" as in apple / one syllable) was correct ... it's just what I had fallen into.
For example, people routinely can't tell the difference between Erin and Aaron because they breath the name out so quick and shortened.

Names that can't get contracted tend towards literal shortening or "nick-naming" like Anthony becoming just Toni - the middle part that you can say while opening your mouth for just about 1 second ... not a habit conducive toward proper pronunciation ... Thranduil would easily become Thrandy (sorry Angelic)

Legolas becomes Leg'l's and only that first part gets a wide open mouth.
Again, definitely not correct ... but that's how it comes out.

Something to work on ...


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Oct 14 2012, 12:59am


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I smash my head into a wall everytime you silly English speakers mispronounce it

Seriously, what's so difficult with a few diphthongs? And why your language is so full of consonant clusters, and why your vowels are all wrong? Why? I demand an explanation.

Swedish should be the new lingua franca, it's easy like... a really easy language.

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Magpie
Immortal


Oct 14 2012, 1:04am


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well, I can tell you...

not that many people in Minnesota mispronounce it. But they put the pronunciation down to Finnish... not Swedish.

In the land of the Nords, there's just a teensy bit of competition between Finnish, Swedish, and Norwegian heritage populations.


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Elessar
Valinor


Oct 14 2012, 1:15am


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Looking good

They look great as does this movie in general. Now, as far as how to pronounce things. I'm from Missouri and as much as I'd like to say it all perfectly it's not happening. If that bothers anyone then that's ok by me as I'm not going to worry. lol



Carne
Tol Eressea

Oct 14 2012, 1:16am


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Here's me with my silly voice pronouncing some of the names (using IMDb)

I'm tired and it's 3 AM Tongue
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0IkDyeCW8cp

Forgot Smaug: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0Gr7xoJtsXq


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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Oct 14 2012, 1:21am


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Really?

I know there's lots of Fennoscandians up there, but I don't know to what extend 'Mericans identify themselves with their European descent. Do different kinds of German make difference with Bavarian and Prussian, etc?

(I don't know how Swedes pronounce "sauna", but I doubt it's the correct way, because modern Sweden's Swedish doesn't even have diphthongs, really. And they commonly misspell Finnish names with diphthongs - that is, almost all Finnish names. Aaaaaargh! It's second in irritation-o-meter only to spelling ä with ae and ö with oe. Guys, if you can't use the dots, just write a and o instead. Otherwise you get name monsters like Vaeinaemoeinen, Jaeaeskelaeinen or Haeyhae...)

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 14 2012, 2:04am


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Isn't it a mess?

The English language! It's such a mash of local dialects and various other languages, then over the centuries the pronunciation has gotten "lazy".

And it was the Professor's specialty. I'd love to hear him tell us all about it, and how it evolved!

(Personally, I like German, where everything that's written is actually pronounced.)


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PattyJB
Rivendell


Oct 14 2012, 3:16am


Views: 3071
Is Legolas wearing greaves?

In fact, Thranduil and Elrond may be, too. Costuming gods heard my fervent pleas for more leather on the elves! After all, Legolas is the elf that inspired me to learn what pauldrons are!





Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Oct 14 2012, 3:40am


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That's part of what's so great about it

It is a true living language.


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Oct 14 2012, 3:49am


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Thranduil is definitely one elegant looking elf.

Cool crown too.

Elrond in battle gear? Yeah, that's badass.

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Oct 14 2012, 10:51am


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Your vowels are like an unruly herd of bad behaving kids //

 

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 14 2012, 12:28pm


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And what about

the "ough"s and "augh"s and "igh"s and "ogh"s? Terrors! Laugh

No wonder one of our popular pastimes is the spelling contest...Tongue


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aifeme
Rivendell


Oct 14 2012, 8:45pm


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Is Thranduil a fantasy drag queen?

He looks like it to me...Crazy


Padfoot
Bree


Oct 15 2012, 8:40am


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Dialects


In Reply To
The English language! It's such a mash of local dialects and various other languages, then over the centuries the pronunciation has gotten "lazy".

And it was the Professor's specialty. I'd love to hear him tell us all about it, and how it evolved!

(Personally, I like German, where everything that's written is actually pronounced.)


I wish it were! Wink

Believe me, German can be as much a mash of different languages and local dialects as English. Wink (or any other language, I think).

I come from a rural area, where in about 20 villages 20 different dialects are being spoken. Tongue (some of them don't even sound similar...) Mostly by the elder people, though. Most of the younger people still can understand the dialects, but stick to speaking standard German.

My sister and I grew up bi-lingual (dialect at home, standard German in kindergarten and school). This proved quite helpful when we started learning the foreign languages in school.

I think that pronounciation gets "lazy" over centuries is a general problem in languages. Also, many languages influence each other. You'd be surprised how much English you'd find in standard German by now, even though some of it may have a completely different meaning in German!


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Fardragon
Rohan

Oct 15 2012, 9:05am


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Linguistic drift isn't laziness.

It's something that happens naturally to all languages, and can only be slowed by a dictatorial central authority (like the French have).

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Misto
Lorien

Oct 15 2012, 12:54pm


Views: 2762
Haha..

... that reminds me of a few classmates I had whose first foreign language was German. Because the dialect spoken in rural communities of my home area has next to nothing to do with German.Laugh But at least it's only dialect - I lived somewhat close to the Danish border for years and the average local gathering would have people talking in three different officially acknowledged languages... none of them German. Boy, did I ever feel out of place!


dave_lf
Gondor

Oct 15 2012, 1:17pm


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50 point words


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And why your language is so full of consonant clusters?



Hey! Those consonant cluster are why we can play Scrabble.