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Movie Theatres in 48fps?



Briginn_the_blue
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Oct 9 2012, 7:57pm


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Movie Theatres in 48fps?
Hey everyone, I know that the date for early ticket sales is quickly approaching and for many they have already gotten theirs. I will be purchasing mine when I can but I would like to do so for a showing in 48 fps. Has anyone seen or heard of a list of what theaters will be showing the Hobbit in 48 frames, in 3D.

Thanks,


DanielLB
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Oct 9 2012, 8:02pm


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Welcome to TORn Briginn_the_blue :-)
What country do you live in? I'd be interested in any news for UK cinemas - I have no idea where I'm going to see it, and if I'll see it in 3D or 2D first. Crazy

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Magpie
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Oct 9 2012, 8:22pm


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Here's a little I found:
"According to source familiar with Warner's release plans for Peter Jackson's first "Hobbit," the HFR version will go out to only select locations, perhaps not even into all major cities."

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118057587

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painjoiker
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Oct 9 2012, 10:21pm


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I guess Trondheim is a "major" city then...
HAH!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/..._Norway_panorama.jpg
Does this look like a "major city" to you?!
Didn't think so ;)
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Magpie
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Oct 9 2012, 11:54pm


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??
I'm not sure that quote said that only major cities would get 48 fps. It said only 'select' cities would get it an perhaps not all major cities.

So if Trondheim is getting it, it is a select city. But Chicago - which I would warrant is considered a major city - might not.

I presume by your post that Trondheim is getting it? Do you have more info?

I haven't found any clear information about any theater, let alone the ones in my town. I suppose I could call them but I don't really care that much. ;-p

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Carne
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Oct 10 2012, 12:00am


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I suggest emailing the cinema you plan on going to
My city is more than twice as small as Trondheim and they'll be showing it in 48fps here.


painjoiker
Grey Havens


Oct 10 2012, 12:01am


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I have my ticket to An Unexpected Journey.
which stated 2D, 4k and 48fps :)
It doesn't say 48fps ON the ticket, but it did on the screen when I bought it ^^
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Magpie
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Oct 10 2012, 12:06am


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response to painjoiker & carne
It could be interesting to start a list somewhere of theaters that are showing it in 48 fps.

I wonder how many people will care. I kind of think that, as they start doing more open, wide-scale promotion of the movie, then the subject will be more talked about. It's then that I expect to start hearing which theaters have it or not.

Did I remember reading that 48 fps wouldn't cost more?

what is 4k?

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painjoiker
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Oct 10 2012, 1:07am


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48fps didn't cost more to me at least :)
4k is the resolution!
4k = 4000
the usual home TV is 1080p (not sure what t p stands for), but that makes the resolution for The Hobbit 4 times more than a home TV :)
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Owain
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Oct 10 2012, 1:21am


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The P stands for progressive.
When televisions were originally made the only content that was viewable was over the airwaves.

To send that signal the broadcasters sent the frames as interlaced frames (in general terms odd lines and even lines when flashed together make up a whole frame).

As media distribution has changed... DVDs, Blu-Rays, Internet streaming... we now have the option of Progressive frames (whole frames) which yield a much better presentation.

4K is technically 4096x3072 pixels which is a whopping 4 times the resolution of 1920x1080.

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Owain
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Oct 10 2012, 1:22am


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Ok I've been asked to re-post the 4K cinema locator in this thread...
I posted this awhile back but thought it might be useful as people begin to purchase their tickets.

The following resource is a worldwide locator for all Sony 4K projection systems.

Regardless of whether you are seeing it in 2D 24fps, 2D 48fps, 3D 24pfs, Real 3D, IMAX etc. etc. etc....... please consider seeing it in 4K.

This resolution is 4 times the resolution of what you are currently used to seeing (film or digital).

I have seen a couple of movies (The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo and The Dark Knight) in 4K Digital Projection and it is the purest image I have ever seen. (Rich/deep black with definition, incredible color). It's the closest thing to the DNG or Digital Negative you are going to see.

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Fardragon
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Oct 10 2012, 6:44am


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Weird. Reigate is on that list.
I went to Reigate Cinema once, the screen is slightly smaller than my TV!
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Mithrandír
Lorien


Oct 10 2012, 7:50am


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I'm not sure how much stock I would put in this list
Among other, it says that Oslo kino doesn't offer 3D, which it has for the last 4 years or something like that.
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Phibbus
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Oct 10 2012, 11:52am


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4K vs 35mm
In Reply To
This resolution is 4 times the resolution of what you are currently used to seeing (film or digital).
 Note that the actual resolving power of 4K digital and 35mm film are almost identical (some 4K projectors are very slightly higher than 35mm, some very slightly lower.). 4K is great because it gets digital back to an image with the same level of detail as film.
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Elenorflower
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Oct 10 2012, 11:57am


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maybe its a silly question
but are there any of those wrap around screens available? maybe they only exist in Disney world or places like that? I suppose its not such a relaxing experience as you probably have to move your head more to take it all in, and maybe I just imagined these screens and they dont really exist. It wouldnt be the first time. Crazy


Gorgori
The Shire

Oct 10 2012, 11:59am


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For Canadian audiences......
So, after trying to see theatres in Canada with that link about a dozen times, and having it crash my browser each time (maybe cause I'm using my iPad??), I decided to email Cineplex Odeon myself. I was shocked how fast they replied. This is what she said:

Hello,
 
Thank you for contacting Cineplex Entertainment. We have not yet confirmed the details for the distribution of The Hobbit in our theatres. More information will become available closer to the film’s release date.
 
If you require further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us.

So, I would have thought the theatres would have know by now, seeing how it's only two months away, but there you go.... Canada left behind once again...FrownCrazyTongue


Fardragon
Rohan

Oct 10 2012, 12:01pm


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Wrap around screens
are usually used in themeparks in conjunction with shaking floors and similar FX. They usually show specially made films. If there is any standard format for such things I don't know of it.
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Phibbus
Rohan


Oct 10 2012, 12:16pm


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4K vs. 48fps
I'm not sure it was entirely necessary to lock your newer thread, since 4K and 48fps are separate issues. We know that the high frame rate version will have a very limited initial release, but many theaters will be showing TH in 4K (and locating those theaters will be a little trickier than finding out the small number of 48fps venues once they're announced.)
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Owain
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Oct 10 2012, 12:23pm


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Except that the final resolution
Of film answer prints from the master negative are closer to 2K and Digital projection has been primarily 2K up until recently.

Hence the importance of 4K Digital projection.

The DCP is as close to the DNG as you can get without any generational loss unlike film.


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Phibbus
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Oct 10 2012, 12:31pm


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Perhaps
You have an IMAX Dome/Omnimax theater nearby?

Personally, I can't stand watching regular movies on a wrap screen. As Fardragon said, they usually film a certain way for the intended medium, and I've noticed that true Omnimax features keep the main action very clearly in the center. The last regular feature I saw in a dome was Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, and my neck was killing me by the end because so much of the action was framed at the edges. It was like watching a tennis match.
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Phibbus
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Oct 10 2012, 12:47pm


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Yeah true
There's generational loss. But when I scan internegatives or final positives, the typical resolution is still way higher than 2K. It breaks down a bit at 4096 px, but you can see that information is already starting to get lost at 3840.
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Kendalf
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Oct 10 2012, 12:48pm


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Yep, I emailed my local cinema a few days back...
In Reply To
My city is more than twice as small as Trondheim and they'll be showing it in 48fps here.

Then Lucky You! Cool

I've just received an email back from the Managing Director of my local cinema (in Ambleside in Cumbria [UK]) and she's confessed that they have no plans to upgrade and that, as far as she can tell having spoken to distributors that very morning, the nearest cinema showing it at 48fps will be in Birmingham...over 150 miles away!!!! Crazy

Yes, I'm interested in seeing this new frame-rate with my own eyes; no, I'm not that interested! Laugh

PS I used the 4K locator, though, and that proved more fruitful; there are two cinemas about 45 minutes drive away that may be showing that version. Nice.


Patty
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Oct 10 2012, 12:48pm


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Thanks so much for this, Owain.
I've been wondering what the difference was for years.
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Patty
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Oct 10 2012, 12:56pm


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This brings to mind one of our "IMAX" theaters here in Indy...
I'd never been there before and went to see The Avengers in IMAX 3D. That screen was smaller than many regular screens. I'm soo glad I didn't wait till The Hobbit came out before going there only to find that tiny screen. Any Indy viewers--avoid Trader's Point IMAX!
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Elenorflower
Gondor


Oct 10 2012, 3:12pm


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WOT?
not even in Manchester? thats a bit odd.


Owain
Tol Eressea


Oct 10 2012, 3:14pm


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Right but that's not what the audience sees.
By the time the prints go out for projection the generations removed from the master negative and original answer print are pretty far removed. Then every time it gets run through a projector it loses even more fidelity from the original.
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Elenorflower
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Oct 10 2012, 3:19pm


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what we need is swivel seats then
to counteract the neck ache situation. But then we would get seasick. The best solution would be seats that follow the movement of your eye, seasick again. no maybe holodecks where you are suspended by a harness in an empty room, so you can interact but be comfortably supported. you could also have those hats with cans of beer strapped to the crown, with a straw for easy glugging, and extra big pocketses for popcorn and snacks. and for the ladies, Tena Lady diapers, cos we have bladders the size of walnuts.


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Sinister71
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Oct 10 2012, 3:46pm


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I know that nowhere near me is getting 48 fps
which truly doesn't bother me at all since I think it's a bad idea right along with the 3-D choice. But as long as others enjoy it and I am not forced to watch it.It is what it is... The theater I normally go to upgraded to the 4k resolution sometime in the last year so I will be enjoying that however.


Phibbus
Rohan


Oct 10 2012, 11:38pm


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Yup
Don't get me wrong, I agree that 4K does beat film as a distribution medium and looks great, taking a lot of the variability of.print quality out of the equation. I still do have problems with 2K and would rather watch a good film print than the noticeable pixelation it entails, but 4K is clearly going to be the standard for all theaters in the very near future, and I have no qualms with it.
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Eye's on Guard
Lorien


Oct 11 2012, 2:48am


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Keep an eye on this site
Current as of today. Nothing yet but looks like they'll update regularly!

48fpsmovies.com


Scot Down South
The Shire


Oct 11 2012, 5:39am


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48fps in NZ
Interesting New Zealand does not appear on the Sony list ?

However I am sure the Embassy in Wellington will give us the full works as it hosts the world Premier ! Haven't got tickets to the premier - who does outside the press and movie people. Will wait like everyone else.

Ps. Will the ringers on the Hobbit premier trip see the movie sooner or have to wait till general release .


Kendalf
Rohan

Oct 11 2012, 3:40pm


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Bizarre, frankly!
In Reply To
not even in Manchester? thats a bit odd.

Yep, if what she's been told is true. It would appear that the "select theatres" claim was an under-statement! Crazy

It's quite incredible what an impact a handful of bloggers have had on the chances of the format, isn't it? Yes, there are financial considerations, too, but had the response to Jackson's unfinished footage at CinemaCon been more positive (or at least not dominated so comprehensively by the negative commenters) then I'm sure we'd be looking at a much greater roll-out of the format right across the globe.

Wouldn't we?


Reptile
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Oct 11 2012, 5:08pm


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Looks like few and far between
I took your advice and emailed two of our local theater chains. I received prompt replies from both; the response from the Cinemark theater was a bit vague, indicating that they were still working with the distributor on this, but they assured me that they would have 48fps on at least one screen.

The IMAX theater representative sent the following reply: "Apparently only 10% of IMAX Theatres will be upgraded for 48 fps.. Major markets… I would think LA, SF, NY, Chi etc"

It seems like, if you buy tickets early, it will be difficult to be certain that you are getting tickets for the 48fps projection screen, as this will be playing on a number of screens and they don't seem to be sure which screen they will be setting this up for. I believe I'll just take my chances and enjoy whatever comes on the screen.

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Oct 11 2012, 6:24pm


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I'm determined to see 48fps at least once.
I'm resigned to the idea that I'll have to travel out of NP to see it, though. Surely Wellington and Auckland will have it!
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Patty
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Oct 11 2012, 6:30pm


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Yeah, me too. It looks like I may have to go to
the AMCs in Bloomington (about 50 miles away). It's a college town (Indiana University) so I wouldn't be surprised if that's the closest. But I won't be going there on day 1.
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Elenorflower
Gondor


Oct 11 2012, 9:01pm


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Kendalf
Manchester is I think the second or third largest city after London? the other being Birmingham. If they dont have 48fps in the 2nd largest city in the UK, theres not much hope really of seeing it, especially if you live far away from any city. Either that or you have a day trip down South.


Bumblingidiot
Rohan

Oct 11 2012, 9:13pm


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UK stuff.
I found a website that shows all the UK cinemas doing 4K (but nothing on 48fps), but I forgot what it's called - so that's helpful, isn't it.

What I'd like to know is whether seeing it at 4K in 2D at 48fps will give a more detailed picture than seeing it at 2K in 3D at 48fps. If so, which is better? Presumably, even to see it at 2K in 3D, you'd have to go to a 4K cinema, otherwise you'd be seeing it at 1K in 3D, or 2K in 2D?!


DanielLB
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Oct 11 2012, 9:18pm


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This?
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sphdle1
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Oct 11 2012, 10:55pm


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Maybe IMAX Theatres will show it at full resolution!?
I live in Nova Scotia, Canada, so unless they show it at the IMAX, it is likely that they will not be showing it in 48fps here... :(
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Bumblingidiot
Rohan

Oct 12 2012, 2:36am


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Yes.
That's the chap - I'd forgotten it was something to do with Sony. So does that mean that it excludes cinemas with other company's equipment?

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Fardragon
Rohan

Oct 12 2012, 7:46am


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Fifth I think
After Birmingham, Glasgow and Leeds.
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DanielLB
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Oct 12 2012, 8:11am


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Haven't a clue!
And, unfortunately, there are none where I live. Frown

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Phibbus
Rohan


Oct 12 2012, 12:23pm


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Distribution formats
In Reply To
What I'd like to know is whether seeing it at 4K in 2D at 48fps will give a more detailed picture than seeing it at 2K in 3D at 48fps. If so, which is better? Presumably, even to see it at 2K in 3D, you'd have to go to a 4K cinema, otherwise you'd be seeing it at 1K in 3D, or 2K in 2D?!
I don't think they're planning to distribute 2D/48fps as an option, although maybe I'm mistaken. My impression has been that the 48fps is coming as a package with 3D.

Note that just about any projector capable of showing RealD 3D (whether 2K or 4K) can already show the film at 48fps. RealD is naturally 48fps, but when showing 3D, it alternates the frames for the right and left eyes, resulting in 24fps, overall. When in 2D mode, without the ZScreen filter, they can show films at 48fps without upgrade. The upgrade is needed to show 3D at 48fps.

To answer your question: Yes, 4K in any combination will give a more detailed picture than 2K in any combination. (But again, I don't think you'll be seeing the 48fps on any but 4K projectors.)
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Bumblingidiot
Rohan

Oct 13 2012, 3:26am


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Nuts!
I know more than one other person who wants to see it at 4K and 48fps, but not in 3D.

So, is it correct that in Real 3D, with an updated system, it will be showing the film at 96fps, alternating frames between each eye, which will enable each frame to be viewed at 4K, at 48fps, rather than the 2k for each eye that normal 3D provides as a maximum?