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Does anyone else feel like they've almost seen the movie already?



Aranaes
Rivendell


Oct 3 2012, 8:58pm


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Does anyone else feel like they've almost seen the movie already?

With all the released pics, v-logs and character reveals, I'm finding it hard to think of a scene in the film that I haven't already imagined/ half guessed as to how it will play out. The Dol Goldur sub plot aside, I get the feeling there's almost no surprises left for me in the 1st film, and only the spiders scene and perhaps Beorn in the 2nd. But I know, try as I may, there's no stopping me from spoiling the 3rd film for myself as well, by gobbling up all the future snippets of news I can find!
Having said that, there do remain some small details I wonder about. For example, I'm intrigued to see how PJ has the goblins capture the dwarves and not Gandalf, and exactly how the Goblin King is slain (not sure if I'll be pleased with this one though)

Are there any scenes you are especially looking forward to seeing because you're intrigued how they will be portrayed?

'And I name you elf-friend and blessed. May your shadow never grow less (or stealing would be too easy)!'


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 3 2012, 9:02pm


Views: 1083
The majority of us have read the book, so we all know where the story is going

Despite knowing the overall plot, I (personally) know very little of the intricates. We've just scratched the surface of the OrangeHobbit. There is a whole fruit beneath to dive in to.

Yes, we know what scenes will be included and what all the characters look like. But we don't actually know anything about the scenes (how they will play out etc). I don't think there is any need to worry. Smile

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Ffnir
Rohan


Oct 3 2012, 9:04pm


Views: 1093
That's the price to pay

I've spent a lot of time seeking news and reading speculations, and it was full of fun and surprise. Some of this fun or surprise I won't have during the movie, but I had it before so it's not lost.


Aranaes
Rivendell


Oct 3 2012, 9:12pm


Views: 1010
Indeed. I know the book too

And Im still incredibly excited about it all. It's just my imagination has filled in a lot of the gaps of how PJ will deal with each scene. Hopefully I will still be surprised. Smile

'And I name you elf-friend and blessed. May your shadow never grow less (or stealing would be too easy)!'


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 3 2012, 9:14pm


Views: 1063
There will be plenty of surprises

Like you said above, Dol Guldur is pretty much an unknown. That will provide loads of surprises. And I'm sure there will be others as well (especially any deviations from the book). Wink

One of the scenes I'm most looking forward to is the revealing of Smaug. At least that won't be ruined for us!

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Aranaes
Rivendell


Oct 3 2012, 9:15pm


Views: 1024
Yes, a valid point, I agree. The news gathering is supplying me with years of enjoyment! Movies last mere hours!//

 

'And I name you elf-friend and blessed. May your shadow never grow less (or stealing would be too easy)!'


Elenorflower
Gondor


Oct 3 2012, 9:17pm


Views: 1025
hmmm!

I know what you mean, I feel like a kid who hasnt waited for Christmas morning but has snuck downstairs to take a peek at the presents, and now wishes she hadnt. That will teach me to go I wannanwanaanawannitNOW!!!!! Mad


Macfeast
Rohan


Oct 3 2012, 9:31pm


Views: 942
Yeah, even spoilers can provide for some enjoyment, though they may sting initially.

I know I have enjoyed taking part in all the speculation, some of which have only been made possible thanks to spoilers.

Have I spoiled some of the surprises for myself? Yup, most definitely. Have I enjoyed analyzing these spoiled surprises until nothing remains, with everyone else here on TORN? Yup, most definitely.


(This post was edited by Macfeast on Oct 3 2012, 9:35pm)


Aranaes
Rivendell


Oct 3 2012, 9:42pm


Views: 1037
Gandalf (spoilerish)

I so hope PJ allows Gandalf to burn holes in some goblins and have a spectacular moment slaying the GK . But I fear he will somehow avoid using his power by not being around when they're taken prisoner, and rescuing them by chance or trickery.

'And I name you elf-friend and blessed. May your shadow never grow less (or stealing would be too easy)!'


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Oct 3 2012, 9:52pm


Views: 954
I really don't. I already know the story inside and out, so the real question for me

is how faithful will Peter be, and, in the areas where he does deviate from the main story, will the deviations still be reasonably faithful to the larger Legendarium. So I am combing for details, happy about things like the dwarves song and the like, guardedly optimistic but not without concerns over some of the Dol Guldur stuff. . . I haven't really seen enough to know enough.

The info so far just aids me in preparing for what I am going to see. But, no, I certainly don't feel excessively "spoiled".

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With all the released pics, v-logs and character reveals, I'm finding it hard to think of a scene in the film that I haven't already imagined/ half guessed as to how it will play out. The Dol Goldur sub plot aside, I get the feeling there's almost no surprises left for me in the 1st film, and only the spiders scene and perhaps Beorn in the 2nd. But I know, try as I may, there's no stopping me from spoiling the 3rd film for myself as well, by gobbling up all the future snippets of news I can find!
Having said that, there do remain some small details I wonder about. For example, I'm intrigued to see how PJ has the goblins capture the dwarves and not Gandalf, and exactly how the Goblin King is slain (not sure if I'll be pleased with this one though)

Are there any scenes you are especially looking forward to seeing because you're intrigued how they will be portrayed?


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Oct 3 2012, 9:54pm


Views: 969
This is a big fear of mine as well.

Knowing of Peter's reported "disdain" for magical displays (though it certainly didn't stop him with Saruman and Arwen), I also worry that he will find a way to neuter the Wizard's wizardry in these scenes, and have some lame (by contrast) sequence of events, that achieves the same end by much less impressive means than the book relates. Nothing to do but wait, hope for the best, and eventually see.

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I so hope PJ allows Gandalf to burn holes in some goblins and have a spectacular moment slaying the GK . But I fear he will somehow avoid using his power by not being around when they're taken prisoner, and rescuing them by chance or trickery.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


dormouse
Half-elven


Oct 3 2012, 9:57pm


Views: 891
No, not really

If you add it up, we've seen no more than a couple of minutes of actual footage - which might not appear in the film itself, or might be used in a way no one has yet imagined. Same with the stills - there's a whole lot more speculation round here than knowledge.


Dlanor da Great
Rivendell

Oct 3 2012, 10:04pm


Views: 927
Just based on the comments here...

I think its best that PJ release lots of info, because many people tend to have such crazy expectations or off the cuff reactions, that i think that they would not enjoy the movie if they went in not aware of what to expect.
At least with all these tid bits, people can have time to adapt themselves to something they would not like at first and get use to or warm up to the idea.
For instance, the look of the Dwarves. I feel like many people would have probably walk out of the movie theater at with the first appearance of some of these Dwarves...lolTongue


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Oct 3 2012, 10:29pm


Views: 888
even with reading the book and following all the progress

there will still be plenty of surprises, we've seen like 5% of what's actually onscreen.

it feels like less than 5% but anyone wanna do trailer math? Crazy

ALSO, nothing like experiencing a movie itself, all these little bits and bobs don't equal that.

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Ring-Bearer
Rivendell


Oct 3 2012, 10:31pm


Views: 879
There should still be plenty of surprises

Due to the fact that the trailers showed about three minutes each, as opposed to the fullness and glory of three Hobbit films. The spoilers, yes, make it a bit less surprising, but a part of the fun as a fan is witnessing more of Middle-Earth coming back to life on the screen- especially for those of us who were too young to see the first trilogy being made. It's enjoyable to see the process and catch glimpses of what is to come, different from seeing the films a few years after they were made and seeing whatever extra footage they include.
We get to witness the return of Middle-Earth, which is really quite a treat.

As for my anticipated scene in the film, I'm excited to see the Dwarves going down the river in barrels, which we have seen a small glimpse of in the production blog.

'I will take it! I will take the Ring to Mordor- though, I do not know the way...'
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Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Oct 3 2012, 10:45pm


Views: 853
Ah....

 


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Oct 3 2012, 11:04pm


Views: 833
oh my

Blush

I just realized I was 14 when Fellowship came out. I didn't really follow the making of those films until the EEs came out and fell in love with behind the scenes documentaries. Half the reason I wanted to be in the industry. Anyone else looking forward to the behind the scenes and commentary on The Hobbit films as much as I am?

I'm really excited for Bilbo surprising the dwarves after escaping the Misty Mountains!

"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien

"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas

(This post was edited by There&ThereAgain on Oct 3 2012, 11:05pm)


Bombadil
Half-elven


Oct 3 2012, 11:49pm


Views: 847
At 62 I have Wished for & waited 45 years for. .a Great Film from Book version..

But I'm seriously considering
UnPlugging myself about 10 days
before the Premier
Hide inthe Misty Mountains
of Southern Colorado
& Ski.
NonInternet..no TV
just me&my Books.


(This post was edited by Bombadil on Oct 3 2012, 11:51pm)


Ring-Bearer
Rivendell


Oct 4 2012, 12:15am


Views: 766
I'm looking forward to

The behind-the-scenes documentaries as well, they will be great if they're even half as good as the ones for LotR. I've always found documentaries such as those intriguing. Smile

'I will take it! I will take the Ring to Mordor- though, I do not know the way...'
'I can't carry it for you, but I can carry you!'


Ring-Bearer
Rivendell


Oct 4 2012, 12:18am


Views: 773
Great idea

Bombadil, sounds like a wonderful idea, to see mountains and find a quiet place to finish reading your book Smile

'I will take it! I will take the Ring to Mordor- though, I do not know the way...'
'I can't carry it for you, but I can carry you!'


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Oct 4 2012, 12:19am


Views: 822
As one of the "crazies", I think you are absolutely correct, for the most part.

I don't know if it makes one crazy to hope that all of the more iconic and famous scenes from the books remain very close to the books narrative in how they are portrayed on film.

That said, while it certainly isn't needed for Peter to give huge parts of the film ahead of time, it probably is a good idea to get any really noticable changes and or ommissions out there on the table for exactly the reasons you stated.

Time is a powerful Force, and it can ease people into acceptance who might otherwise be given over to outrage regarding certain alterations.

The dwarves appearances didn't bother me much, aside from Dwalin being bald and not having a blue-grey beard, and Thorin's beard being too short (well, that axe bit in Bifur's skull is a bit much, but I can live with him having it if he can). But any big alterations to the Smaug conversation, or to Gandalf's magical defenses/attacks against the goblins and wargs. . . or massive structural changes like the fact that we won't see Thranduil until film 2! . . . yeah, best to give a little forewarning about such things.

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I think its best that PJ release lots of info, because many people tend to have such crazy expectations or off the cuff reactions, that i think that they would not enjoy the movie if they went in not aware of what to expect.
At least with all these tid bits, people can have time to adapt themselves to something they would not like at first and get use to or warm up to the idea.
For instance, the look of the Dwarves. I feel like many people would have probably walk out of the movie theater at with the first appearance of some of these Dwarves...lolTongue


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Dlanor da Great
Rivendell

Oct 4 2012, 1:14am


Views: 765
Well ,I didnt refer to anyone as "Crazies". I Just meant that some expectations can be Crazy. But maybe Crazy wasnt the best word.

 


Elenorflower
Gondor


Oct 4 2012, 1:17am


Views: 734
well i am glad

I have had a loooooooong time to get over the dwarves. The first time I saw them I was gnawing the furniture in rage, which is not very ladylike behaviour during an elven ladies tea party I can tell you. After I had thrown my sticky buns out of the flet, and sprayed everyone with crumbs, I calmed down and now I can look at them without that annoying eye twitch, well I can look at Kili all day....hem!.....cough!.......they have grown on me somewhat.


Eye's on Guard
Lorien


Oct 4 2012, 2:07am


Views: 811
Well here's what we have in trailer form...

Includes most of trailers 1, 2, and alternate endings with a little bit of Shore music here and there (wanted to keep the dialogue)

Hobbit Combined Trailer


alienorchid
Lorien


Oct 4 2012, 2:26am


Views: 725
No! :)

I remember seeing heaps of amazingly detailed, hi res promo pictures of characters from LotR, and even though I didn't have much internet access back then, I saw a lot of promo pics, watched the trailer obsessively, etc and of course, had read the book, but I was still totally blown away when I actually saw FotR the first time.

This time around, I checked out the first, early promo pics and watched the vlogs, but not obsessively, and I took a break from these forum for a few weeks, and now I'm just casually glancing at promo material so that the movie will still be a huge surprise.

Also, the fact that it will be greatly expanded and we can only make guesses as to what scenes may be included, means that the vast majority of the movie will be a surprise, despite having read the book!

I look forward to doing all the analysing and poring over images *after* seeing the movie :)


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 4 2012, 3:03am


Views: 474
I certainly hope there's more going on in this film than what we've seen so far...

I'm really hoping for some surprises in AUJ, I a suppose in backstory/Dwarf flashbacks, Necromancer/White Council stuff and perhaps some plotting of the Orcs/Goblins. The trailer really does make the film seem pretty limited, IMO.

I'm interested in seeing the extensions to Bilbo's life in the Shire; how the personalities/agendas of the Goblins are realized; and Thror, Thrain, and the backstory of Erebor/Dale.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!

(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Oct 4 2012, 3:06am)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Oct 4 2012, 3:10am


Views: 504
Nope

For example, the trailers have shown us not one glimpse of some of the dwarf history that is surely going to be shown film 1. For me, that is greatly anticipated, and I look forward to being pleasantly (I hope) surprised.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 4 2012, 3:57am


Views: 469
Well, no and yes...

I have played "The Hobbit" so many times in my head at each stage of its production that I now have fifteen versions in my memory. As to the movies in their final form; I guess we all know what they will look like but what course they will follow it is anybody's guess. This a good thing.

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Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Oct 4 2012, 6:28am


Views: 400
Excellent!

Thank you - that really helps to see both trailers combined into one, with the scenes in chronological order. In fact in just under 5 minutes worth of film we can see the basic outline of the story as far as the eagle rescue... Though now one can't help wondering how much padding PJ is going to need to expand that into 3 hours worth... Wink


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Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Oct 4 2012, 8:47am


Views: 379
-music- nuff said. //

 

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sharpened_graphite
Rivendell

Oct 4 2012, 9:27am


Views: 437
They're not such small details... :-)

Also. John Howe wrote on his forum saying that the trailer is basically just the tip of the iceberg.


Elenorflower
Gondor


Oct 4 2012, 1:21pm


Views: 370
thats great

really enjoyed that combined trailer. thanks Evil


Marionette
Rohan


Oct 4 2012, 2:45pm


Views: 362
Everything of VLogs XD Yes

Yes, I felt like that after watching the first videologs SlyCrazy


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Eye's on Guard
Lorien


Oct 4 2012, 3:06pm


Views: 312
Thanks Eleniel!

It would be great if we got three hours of AUJ.


Eye's on Guard
Lorien


Oct 4 2012, 3:07pm


Views: 319
Thank you Elenorflower! //

 


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 4 2012, 3:22pm


Views: 357
This is what I've been hoping for!

Wouldn't happen to have a link, would you? :)

There should be at least some of AUJ which we haven't seen yet...we know Saruman's in it yet no trace of him in the trailer, we know they've shot backstory for Erebor ETC.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Lindele
Gondor


Oct 4 2012, 7:32pm


Views: 307
I agree completely.

Can you imagine the hate and anger the fans would have exploded into if the entire film was a surprise?
There is more going on in this marketing campaign than any of us can possibly fathom.
I have a feeling that there will be plenty of surprises in store for the fans when the films come out.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 4 2012, 7:48pm


Views: 302
We have seen nothing yet. //

 


sharpened_graphite
Rivendell

Oct 5 2012, 4:32am


Views: 294
Scroll down to read it:

http://www.john-howe.com/....php?topic=3007.2055

We haven't seen 99 % of the movie. Just a few seconds from the important scenes.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Oct 5 2012, 4:45am


Views: 429
Cool

Nice to see John Howe still has some spare time to post on messageboards!