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Can you name all the movie dwarves?



LoremIpsum
Lorien


Sep 27 2012, 8:53pm


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Can you name all the movie dwarves?

I admit I had to properly sit down and learn to assign a name to each movie dwarf, I still get Dori, Nori and Ori mixed up sometimes
I wonder how a causal movie goer will react to Gandalf naming all the dwarves?Laugh


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 27 2012, 8:56pm


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I don't think the general audience will ever be able to name all the Dwarves correctly!

Though, that's the benefit of giving them all distinctive looks and personalities, so people might do. Plus, if DOS starts with Beorn, then they are effectively re-introduced after a year's gap.

Thorin, Balin, Gloin, Fili and Kili will be easily recognised. Perhaps people will also remember Dwalin and Bombur.

But there's also Dain, Thrain, Thror, and any other Dwarves they might show!

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Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Sep 27 2012, 8:57pm


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No

I don't think I can even list them all, let alone keep straight which is which. Nori and Dori and Fili and Kili are my weaknesses



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Magpie
Immortal


Sep 27 2012, 8:58pm


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Probably not

I haven't tried but I also don't keep track of them or keep them straight very well.

I'm not too worried about it. I'm a visual person and until get a good sense of personalities (and they already seem to be fixing personalities onto the characters, even in still promotional photos), I won't keep them straight. I am fairly confident that watching the movies will fix them in my brain well enough.

I'm not one to do homework when I don't have to. And I am always keen on letting movies work their magic rather organically. If I make it into 'work', I'll approach the movie like some kind of assignment I've studied for.



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DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 27 2012, 9:00pm


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Hmmm, let's try to come up a way of helping you remember them...

Dori DOesn't have the star-fish hair
Kili is a KILljoy, for not sporting a beard.

Any better? .... Unimpressed

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painjoiker
Grey Havens


Sep 27 2012, 9:01pm


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I have actually made a picture of all the dwarves with their names beside each pic :)

Also including actor name so I can remember that as well!
I can name each movie dwarf by now, but I still struggle with some of the actors :/

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Magpie
Immortal


Sep 27 2012, 9:02pm


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or, Kili used to kill people in another life.

...as a vampire, that is.

Thorin and Kili I've got down. Thorin wouldn't need any help from the beginning but those two actors are ones I'd seen in other shows.

But then, I know who Jed is but I don't know what Dwarf he is.



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Valandil ed Imladris
Lorien


Sep 27 2012, 9:03pm


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let me try .. I'm not cheating .. using the new poster ;)

from left to right, row by row:

Gloin, Kili, Bofur, Bifur
Oin, Ori, Thorin, Balin
Fili, Dwalin
Dori, Bombur, Nori

I think I got it all right :)


LoremIpsum
Lorien


Sep 27 2012, 9:07pm


Views: 1374
Good point

and from the trailer I think Bofur will be quite high on memorable list as well.

I wonder how will that work in the movie itself though ? Will Bilbo know their names straight away or will he be confused and call them "hey you" basically Smile? Or maybe the movie will ignore it completely.


Carne
Tol Eressea

Sep 27 2012, 9:07pm


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Not to brag, but I could name all of them after we got the first character photos

Wink

Think I can list the entire cast as well (company plus all the other characters cast so far).

I don't know, I've always been good with remembering names. Especially actors.


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DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 27 2012, 9:09pm


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This should be available for the audience in cinemas

So they can check who's who. They'l need eagle eyes though, I'll be throwing a shoe at anyone using their phone.

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Thoromir
Rivendell


Sep 27 2012, 9:16pm


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Same here ;)

But then again I'm very good with names and faces^^
Plus I'm kinda used to being introduced to a bunch of new people (study elementary school teacher fyi) ;)

But I can imagine it to be very hard for a lot of people!



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DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 27 2012, 9:18pm


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It's all part of the trust process

As Bilbo becomes more acquainted with each of the company, he should start being accepted more and more. This is further added upon each time he rescues them.

I expect he'll be confused to start off with. And it might be quite entertaining. Not only does Bilbo have to learn their names, but so does the audience. I'd hope that Bilbo would know their names by Rivendell though- spending 24 hours a day with 13 people, you would soon learn their names.

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Altaira
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Sep 27 2012, 9:30pm


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Yes!

The fact that I usually read The Hobbit every year or two helps. That, and a group of friends and I who have a Tolkien reading group are currently discussing The Hobbit. Plus, posting news on the Home Page and helping develop the actor/character bios for the site also helped. Though, I must admit, I often have to count on my fingers to get all 13 in one go. Laugh


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Ardamírë
Valinor


Sep 27 2012, 9:40pm


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Certainly can't

I can name all the dwarves in the company. I cannot, however, put each name with each face in the movie.

And I definitely do not know each of the actor's names.

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Chopsta123
Gondor


Sep 27 2012, 9:40pm


Views: 1258
me too :D

I actually posted this picture last year on Fan Art for which I photoshopped the first dwarven pictures.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/834/01thehobbit.jpg/

note: I accidently wrote "Ken Scott" instead of "Stott" >.<


TheSexyBeard
Lorien

Sep 27 2012, 9:46pm


Views: 1280
I can name them all but...

I recently just learned which one is Fili and which one if Kili, but I'm still having problems with Nori and Dori.

Nori has grey hair and Dori has the fancy hair?

And one of them is the strongest?

Yes, my username is terrible.


Carne
Tol Eressea

Sep 27 2012, 9:47pm


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I actually thought his last name was Scott up until a few weeks ago

Have no idea how I managed to mess that up Crazy


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 27 2012, 9:48pm


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Other way round

Dori is the strongest, and has the grey hair. Nori has the star fish hair. Smile

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There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Sep 27 2012, 9:59pm


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I always thought Tolkien

was trying to let us in on the joke by having their names so similar?

he certainly doesn't do anything like that in LOTR.

Unless you count the Bakshi version where they rename Saruman to Aruman...Laugh

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DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 27 2012, 10:02pm


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It's part of Dwarven culture

And Tolkien was more than likely inspired by the Middle Ages, where the names of fathers, brothers and sons shared similarities.

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Carne
Tol Eressea

Sep 27 2012, 10:04pm


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Only thing I don't like about that

They always do things in pairs Mad

To be honest I get rather annoyed when reading the book. If Fili did something then Kili would do the same, if Dori started saying something Nori would finish his sentence.

I know this was probably done to not confuse the reader, but still.

I really hope they mix it up a bit more in the movies.


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Estel78
Tol Eressea

Sep 27 2012, 10:12pm


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Dwalin looks the strongest in the movie. //

 


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Sep 27 2012, 10:12pm


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I think for Fili and Kili *spoiler

it could be endearing, and all the more tragic when they ummm kick the bucket, so to speak.

I don't see the same kind of aesthetic brotherly/cousinly affectations with the other triplets or pairs.

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Carne
Tol Eressea

Sep 27 2012, 10:17pm


Views: 1242
I hope they keep that

But I don't want all the different pairs of characters to act as one like in the book. Though I doubt that will happen.


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Sep 27 2012, 10:31pm


Views: 983
Yes

I've had their names memorized since I was ten when I first starting reading the book and watching the 1977 movie over and over, so that helps. And they've always been one of my favorite things about the Hobbit, so I immediately latched onto their PJ movie versions last year. I'm good at remember details like that anyway I guess.


SaltedPork
Bree


Sep 27 2012, 10:39pm


Views: 1017
A Quiz

Here's an online quiz to help you all train up.

http://www.sporcle.com/...ots/hobbit-travelers

I love doing the little quizzes on this site. Always a good time.


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 27 2012, 10:43pm


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Sporcle is a great way of procrastinating!

Thanks for the quiz!

100% in 30 seconds! Woop! Cool

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Elutherian
Rohan


Sep 27 2012, 10:54pm


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Sleepy, Happy, Grumpy, Dopy.....

...Donner, Vixen, Rudolph...

Tongue

Seriously, though, I've got them down pretty well.

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Aitieuriskon
Lorien


Sep 27 2012, 10:56pm


Views: 1011
Name goldmine

Tolkien lifted almost all of the names of the dwarves (and some other notable characters) from the Old Norse poem "Voluspa".

Tolkien Gateway has a great page outlining the "catalogue of dwarves" from the Voluspa and highlighting all the ones transferred into Tolkien's legendarium: http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/V%C3%B6lusp%C3%A1

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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Sep 28 2012, 1:02am


Views: 923
Yes...of course, I've been practicing since the cast started being announced two years ago! :P ;) //

 

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Sep 28 2012, 1:20am


Views: 948
Don't forget Kelsey (Grammer)!

Seriously, Mark Hadlow in the Dori get-up looks like Kelsey Grammer, if he were a Dwarf rather than a mutant...it's eerie!

Dori

Kelsey

Separated at birth? Maybe his name's actually Kori? So, it's Dori, Kori, Nori, Ori? Crazy

Well, maybe they're not really THAT similar... Tongue

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 28 2012, 1:25am


Views: 928
Yes, I believe so

But let me give it a shot to make sure. Okay, wish me luck.

*Takes a deep breath
*

Fili, Kili, Oin, Gloin, Thorin, Dwalin, Balin, Bifur, Bofur, Bombur, Dori, Nori, Ori

Did I get them all???


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Sep 28 2012, 2:42am


Views: 992
Jed Brophy-unsung hero?

Jed Brophy (Nori) is one of Jackson's go to guys way back since Braindead. He also played several orcs, elves, Sharku (the warg rider), Rohan soldier, etc.

Now in The Hobbit he gets to play one of the 13 dwarves. In the book Nori isn't given much characterization (he drops Bilbo while escaping Goblin Town and saves him from the wargs).

Is his casting as Nori an indication that he won't be super heavily featured or is it finally Jed Brophy's day to shine?

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Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Sep 28 2012, 4:05am


Views: 918
Nori

Actually you're thinking of Dori. Nori has even less to do in the book. I don't think he even has one line.Frown


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Sep 28 2012, 4:22am


Views: 893
bah!

I just reread the book not but a week ago!

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Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Sep 28 2012, 6:07am


Views: 870
Yupp, I can...

... and I could do so long before the films got off the ground. Reading the book multiple times over and being obsessive about names meant I didn't have to struggle to actively memorize them.

And now after actually seeing the Dwarves, it's hard not to remember their names Cool



emre43
Rohan

Sep 28 2012, 7:04am


Views: 843
Darn

It took me a minute and seven seconds because I didn't realise that you are given a pattern to get them in. I was just typing in each name as I saw the face and then realised that I was inputting incorrect names when matched up to the faces.


flowww
Bree

Sep 28 2012, 7:37am


Views: 846
let's see

Klingony
Gimli-y
David the Gnome
Comedic Fatti
Hotti
Hotti's Wingman
Notti
Notti the 7th
Bifur (-cated Skull... [he has an axe in his head!])
Mongoli

and the rest...


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 28 2012, 7:45am


Views: 867
I think Dwalin is braver, fiercer and a better fighter

But according to the annual/almanac, Dori is the strongest. And that stays true to the book.

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macfalk
Valinor


Sep 28 2012, 7:50am


Views: 833
Yes

The only ones I used to mix up were Nori and Ori. Maybe because they are totally invisible in the book. However, they do look quite different in PJ's Hobbit, so once I got to know them, I can easily tell them apart.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.

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macfalk
Valinor


Sep 28 2012, 7:51am


Views: 843
Isn't that Dori?

Who drops Bilbo? I don't think Nori ever speaks in the book. In fact, he's barely even mentioned.



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Fardragon
Rohan

Sep 28 2012, 8:12am


Views: 851
Aruman


In Reply To
Unless you count the Bakshi version where they rename Saruman to Aruman...Laugh


The BBC radio version goes for a similar pronunciation. I assume to minimise confusion with Sauron. Needed more without a face to attach the name to though.

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Elenorflower
Gondor


Sep 28 2012, 12:31pm


Views: 795
Hotti's Wingman

he he he! Sly

and then there's Obelix, Mongolian Airways Flight Attendant, Father Christmas and Skunk with an Axe in its Head.. boy! looking at that poster you can really see the plastic noses.


Elenorflower
Gondor


Sep 28 2012, 12:43pm


Views: 797
I have a horrible feeling

that they will be so busy setting up exotic backstories for the Dwarves that poor old Bilbo will be forgotten. I am sorry to go on and on about the book like it has relevance (ppppffft!) but the Dwarves were largely anon in the book and only a few had a lot to say, like Thorin, Balin, Fili and Kili, the rest were in the background busily being generic Dwarves, and Bilbo took centre stage as is right and proper. I really fail to see why All the dwarves must be so prominent, all their backstories are actually not that important to the story as a whole, the Dwarves in the book are there to create atmosphere and tension for the Ques not to tell us their life stories. Only Thorin and Balin I really feel should have a good long backstory, IMO I dont think we really need to have them all so individual as they should not have prominence over Bilbo, its HIS tale and I dont really care about Hobbit Game tie-ins and figurines. IMO of course.
When I first saw the design of the dwarves I got a terrible sinking feeling, I was longing to see Tolkiens Dwarves arriving at Bilbos door, but it just wasnt to be. I will never get to see those silver tassels.


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Marionette
Rohan


Sep 28 2012, 1:50pm


Views: 774
Very fast and easy!

I didnīt before, but when the posters of the dwarves came out I memorized all the names of all the dwarves finally.

At least all the names are very easy to me, the thing was to remember them.


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DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 28 2012, 2:31pm


Views: 745
There are three films called The Hobbit

And the basis of those three films ultimately comes down to the adventure of a hobbit. Anybody that has read the book knows it.

I'm sure PJ and co wouldn't have forgotten this.

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DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 28 2012, 2:33pm


Views: 751
Maybe the production team are going to help us remember them...

And have their name flash up on screen whenever they talk. Wink

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Magpie
Immortal


Sep 28 2012, 2:42pm


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ew.com had fun with the names:


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Clockwise from top left: The angry guy, the heartthrob, the “funny” guy, the sad guy, the bachelor uncle, the bad boy, the sweetheart, the fat one, the old one, the European, the lead singer, the lead singer’s goofy little brother, and Donnie.

http://insidemovies.ew.com/...obbit-poster-dwarfs/




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There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Sep 28 2012, 4:19pm


Views: 720
I don't think we have much to fear

but if I were coming into this blind, there better be a gosh darn reason for having 13 dwarves if half of them don't even talk!

Honestly they probably would be better off cutting out half the dwarves and really focusing on the most interesting ones, HOWEVER that would be sacrilege on the highest order. It's unfortunate film adaptations get stuck with baggage.

Again I love having 13 dwarves, but from an adaptation standpoint, a problem-solving and FILMMAKING perspective, having 13 anonymous bearded dudes as part of your main cast is something I personally would never want to take on. Also with pressure from fans to keep EVERYTHING from the book whether or not it makes for a good movie, my head spins just thinking about it.

PJ and Co have always had a great knack for cutting inessentials, rewatching the LOTR there are even more moments I wish he could have cut out that were made needlessly complex in order to maintain certain "bookish standards." Again, from a filmmaking standpoint. As a Tolkien fan I of course want everything from my precious little books, but sometimes it's good to learn to let go.

Smile

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"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 28 2012, 4:25pm


Views: 810
Noone said have 13 anonymous dudes

As has been mentioned, Thorin and Balin would need to be fully fleshed out.

However, the others really do not need much to work on film. The Ox-Bow incident, a classic American western with a massive ensemble cast that is essentially "on the road," pulled it off wonderfully, with just short sketches of each of the secondary characters.


Elessar
Valinor


Sep 28 2012, 4:35pm


Views: 793
Naming

I'm pretty sure at this point I can name them all. It all helps with the looks being different and I'd say at worst I'd mess up a couple. It's great reading the hobbit now placing these looks into it, and see how for me it is again the cherry on top of the world Tolkien created.



There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Sep 28 2012, 7:32pm


Views: 775
of course

I was just replying to Elenorflower's post specifically about "generic" dwarves.

I agree with you, I really don't think most of the dwarves will receive fully fleshed background treatments either besides Thorin and Balin and most likely Fili and Kili (maybe even Bofur). I am glad however they are taking the time (so it seems) that they are least giving a bit of texture so that we can tell them all apart.

The Ox-bow Incident looks like a lot of fun, what a cast! I'll check it out.

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"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas


Elenorflower
Gondor


Sep 28 2012, 8:00pm


Views: 765
maybe you are right

and only Thorin, Balin, fili, Kili and Bofur get detailed backstories, I suppose they could recount their past lives during quiet moments round a camp fire or in Thranduils prison or even in Beorns Hall. I imagine the important dwarves would get to tell their tale in Rivendell when Thorin will tell Bilbo the tragic outcome of Smaug ousting his relatives and brother Dwarves from Erebor.


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 28 2012, 8:07pm


Views: 770
I think we should at least learn some details about all the Dwarves

The book works fine the way it is. However, if we have a film about a company of 15 characters, in which we only learn about the stories of 5 or 6 of the Dwarves, it wouldn't work - it wouldn't be accepted by the general audience. They all need something to do. We need to learn about them all. That's the way I see it, anyway.

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Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Sep 28 2012, 8:09pm


Views: 755
Are you afeared that Bilbo is such a weak character

That he can only shine in the absence of other rounded characters?

I think he will stand up perfectly well myself and have no particular reason to imagine, on the evidence so far, that Bilbo will not remain centre stage.

LR


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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Sep 28 2012, 8:25pm


Views: 726
Thought this was referring to matching names with cast...but yeah, have LONG been able to name the Dwarves from the book. ;) //

 

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


elostirion74
Rohan

Sep 28 2012, 9:03pm


Views: 741
stories for all isnīt essential, but you can still make most of the dwarves stand out

Trying to make arcs and backstories for so many characters would just make the story confusing and muddled. But you can still distinguish most of the dwarves by their behaviour and how they react in specific circumstances, so in that respect I agree that most of the dwarves need something to do.

It doesnīt have to be much though. If Gloin several times is shown as particularly sceptical and slightly grumpy, itīs enough to distinguish him from the others.

If Dori is assigned the task of helping and carrying Bilbo in several situations, itīs enough to distinguish him.

Other dwarves can be distinguished by being fierce fighters, being assigned specific tasks or having a particular talent.

Bombur will be singled out because of his weight and being teased by the other dwarves for it, possibly heīll grumbling about his treatment as well.

You donīt really need to have stories about each dwarf as long as they have a few distinguishable characteristics in their ways of interacting with the others in the company.


elostirion74
Rohan

Sep 28 2012, 9:14pm


Views: 717
well, nearly all

I tend to mix up Dwalin and Oin, but apart from these two the others look so clearly different from each other that itīs not difficult to name them.

Many casual moviegoers would probably not be so concerned about remembering the names of all the dwarves. I expect that most of the so-called "general audience" will focus on the most prominent dwarves in the company (Thorin, Balin, Fili and Kili and Bombur and perhaps Gloin because he looks similar to Gimli).


Elenorflower
Gondor


Sep 28 2012, 9:23pm


Views: 777
Nope L.R I am not afeared,

 I prefer Tolkiens version, ie its Bilbos story so he should be the focus without distracting Axe stories, after all we only have 2 hours to tell Bilbos story, I am not very interested in Bofurs domestic arrangements.


(This post was edited by Elenorflower on Sep 28 2012, 9:25pm)


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Sep 28 2012, 9:36pm


Views: 707
this

exactly, I feel like PJ will nail their characters not so much focusing on "arcs" per say, but in general, character consistency. That's the great thing about film, you can reveal character through body language and visual treatment.

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DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 28 2012, 9:44pm


Views: 699
Agreed

I didn't mean to suggest flashbacks for everyone, but it's just as important to give each character well ... characterisation. And there's plenty ways of achieving this, like you say.

It's Bilbo's story, that also involves 13 Dwarves. They can't be ignored.

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Elenorflower
Gondor


Sep 28 2012, 10:00pm


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I often wonder

why Tolkien chose to have quite so many Dwarves, I mean was there a reason? does anyone know? I could imagine 6 or 7, but 13 is a lot. specially as most of them in the story were largely silent.


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 28 2012, 10:03pm


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There had to be 13 Dwarves

so that Bilbo was the lucky 14th Wink

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TheSexyBeard
Lorien

Sep 28 2012, 10:05pm


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Cheers!

It was starting to bother me how often I would get them mixed up.

I honestly think we're pretty lucky that we managed to get all 13 dwarves despite how very few of them are actually fleshed out characters. I could easily see the number of dwarves possibly being cut in half if someone else was at the helm, but thankfully this isn't the case and we're receiving a bakers' dozen. Smile

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Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Sep 28 2012, 11:06pm


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I am confused as to why

Without recourse to actual experience we think that a character (Bilbo) cannot be the focus whilst also having other supporting characters in the piece. I don't particularly recall feeling similarly distracted from Frodo by the other members of the fellowship having a characterisation. Or in any other film for that matter. I suppose it depends how easily distracted one is, mind you.

I have no idea what you mean by "2 hours to tell Bilbo's story"

LR


Elenorflower
Gondor


Sep 28 2012, 11:17pm


Views: 679
well to be fair,

in Lotr there were only 9, 4 Hobbits, 2 men, 1 wizard, 1 Elf, 1 Dwarf. They were easy to remember. 13 Dwarves is a lotto Dwarvage. How many films have you seen with 15 main characters? all at once.


Eye's on Guard
Lorien


Sep 28 2012, 11:31pm


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Bilbo! Allow me to introduce...

Fili (Dean O'Gorman), Kili (Aidan Turner),
Oin (John Callen), Gloin (Peter Hambleton),
Balin (Ken Stott), Dwalin (Graham McTavish),
Bifur (William Kircher), Bofur (James Nesbitt), Bombur (Stephen Hunter),
Dori (Mark Hadlow), Nori (Jed Brophy), Ori (Adam Brown),
and the leader of our company...Thorin Oakenshield (Richard Armitage).
Did it! Cool


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Sep 28 2012, 11:31pm


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I don't think there will be 15 main characters

But there can happily be 15 characters. I have seen lots of films with 15 characters in - sometimes even more.

I am also a bit puzzled that you found the distinctive characteristics of the fellowship helpful as they were easy to remember but seem to be saying that giving distinctive characteristics to the company here is a bad idea, despite the fact that there is even more to remember

LR


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elostirion74
Rohan

Sep 29 2012, 12:13am


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I agree that it wonīt be difficult to have 15 characters

 especially since itīs not necessary to give every character a story, just some distinguishing characteristics.

Itīs also easy to forget that even though there are a lot of dwarves, the general audience will in the course of the three films probably focus more on characters like Gandalf, The Elvenking and his court, Bard, Smaug etc. than the minor dwarves. (Iīm not mentioning Bilbo here, since itīs a given that heīs the main character). I think of the minor dwarves more as a fun and colourful addition to the cast of principal characters centered around Bilbo. They will be noticeable and distinguishable, but not distracting.


Elenorflower
Gondor


Sep 29 2012, 12:56pm


Views: 625
well I wouldnt want you

to be puzzled. So I will reiterate. The only other time I have seen 15 or more characters with substantial backstories, prominence and character arcs is with a tv soap, or a long series like Lost. So if the first film is roughly about 2 hours 30 minutes long, if they spend a lot of that time setting up the Dwarves characters/backstories, that is time that I personally would prefer to see dedicated to Bilbo and Thorin, Balin and Gandalf, and maybe Kili and Fili at a stretch. Is that clearer? perhaps I didnt explain myself very well before?


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Sep 29 2012, 1:25pm


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Well no I don't think it is awfully clear.

What you are arguing for. At points you point out the ridiculousness of diverging from the anonimity of the dwarves in the text and question the need for individuality, whilst at others you simply suggest the goldilocks argument that a quarter of the film(s) shouldn't be spent creating overly elaborate back stories (with which I don't think anyone would disagree).

A happy medium is of course perfectly possible between the two, where the characters in a large ensemble are individualised, rounded and memorable without drawing away from the central themese and plot.

Quite a few films such as the Poseidon Adventure, Towering Inferno, Sin City, Gosford Park, The Thin Red Line etc etc all do a reasonably happy job in this space.

LR


Elenorflower
Gondor


Sep 29 2012, 3:12pm


Views: 617
I am puzzled

by your reply. Laugh


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Sep 29 2012, 3:13pm


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Apologies - how so?

 


Fardragon
Rohan

Sep 29 2012, 3:15pm


Views: 608
Number of characters

Poseidon Adventure and Towering Inferno the number of characters to keep track of diminishes rapidly as the film progresses.

Gosford Park is all character - nothing actually happens.

I haven't seen the other films you mention.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 29 2012, 3:27pm


Views: 597
Good examples

I would add the Ox-Bow Incident to that list. That film does an excellent job with a huge ensemble.

And, perhaps, Oceans Eleven?


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Sep 29 2012, 4:21pm


Views: 589
Yep I agree.

I was trying to keep it up at 15 so we didn't have any "Ah but that's only 14 characters, that's completely different".

Otherwise any of the Ocean's films, most of the Murder on the Orient Express versions, Pulp Fiction, Crash, The Great Escape ,The Dirty Dozen, Short Cuts, 12 Angry Men, Any of the race films like Mad Mad Mad Mad World and any number of less enjoyable movies.

LR


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Milknut
Rohan


Sep 30 2012, 2:33am


Views: 571
Absolutely

but I've been far too interested in these films for my own good! Tongue

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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Sep 30 2012, 2:47pm


Views: 644
yep :) Have for years!

But I keep forgetting my g'kiddies names ;)



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